March 27, 2014 • 54 mins
Strange round stones are being found in a mine in South Africa, they typically have 1 to 3 ridges around their circumference and predate the material surrounding them. Some say natural phenomena, out of place artifacts, or a sign that another form of intelligent life put them here.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Thinking sideways. I don't stories of things we simply don't
know the answer too. Well, Hey there on Steve next
to me is oh, Devin, you're pointing at me. So
(00:26):
I guess I say my name now, and I guess
I'm Joe. And what's to do to our show? And
put us in a room? And what do you get? Guys?
You're fired. You are not allowed to do anymore. I'm
kicking my ball and going home and sticking at balls.
(00:47):
Oh nice, segway, sir, Well, gonna be one of those
shows anyway. Today's show is going to be about something
that's called the clerk Store Spears. I'm just gonna say
right off the bat for listeners, you don't know this,
but Joe and Devon obviously do. Is this is a
(01:07):
story that I found a long time ago, one of
the initial stories that I wanted to do for this show,
but I held off. This is your Tom and Shrewd
and to be Tiles. Yes, well, I held off just
because all the conjecture. It's so hard to to try
and burrow down to anything that could be factual. You know, actually,
(01:27):
if you, if you look hard enough, you can find
people that have actually seen these things with their own
eyes and examine them. We'll talk about that list, and
there is some of that out there. But this story
is pretty fantastical, and I'm just gonna go ahead and
tell it the way you normally read it on those
awesome pages on the web. Oh, are we talking about
the black background white scripts. Well, it's it's not even.
(01:50):
There's other sites besides your favorite kind that do this.
All right, what the obligatory flying saucer charity to the gods? Yes, yes,
of course, So here we go. Over the last few decades,
miners in South Africa have been digging up mysterious metal
spheres while mining pyro philight pro fhilight. What is that?
(02:11):
It's basically chalk for like blackboards or tailors. It's really
soft chalk. The spheres measure approximately an inter or so
in diameter and summer etched with three parallel grooves running
around the equator, and some only have one. There are
two types of some of them any at all? Well, yeah,
(02:33):
there is there is that, but this is the this
is your fantastic Okay, they all have grooves. Okay. Two
types of spheres have been found. One is composed of
solid bluish metal with flux of white, and the other
is hollowed out and filled with a spongy white substance
(02:53):
like the rock in which they're found is god. The
rocket which they are found is Precambrian. So according to that,
it's dated to be two point eight million. That's billion
(03:16):
years old. If we were just talking about this, do
you keep giving me crap all the time about carbon
dating and how you can actually carbon date natural materials.
With the rocks and stuff like, you can't tell how
old they are, so what what do you I'm in
the fantastical telling. So it's okay, okay, all right, okay,
(03:37):
I'll give it to you. All right. I just wanted
to be able to say, wait, I know, sir, I'm
not disagreeing with you. I understand. Okay. Can I continue on? Yes, okay,
you may proceed. Thank you. We have a gentleman by
the name of Rolf Marks, who is the former curator
of the Clerk Store Museum. He is quoted as saying,
(03:59):
there is nothing scientific published about the globes, but the
facts are they're found in pyro Philight, which is mined
near the little town of Auto Stall. Is that how
you said? Okay? In the Western Transvaal. The pyrophilight is
a soft secondary mineral and was formed by sediment about
(04:20):
two point eight billion years ago. On the other hand,
the globes, which have a fibers structure on the inside
with a shell around it, are very hard and cannot
be scratched even by steel, steel, even by steel. What
about diamonds. I don't think anybody's tried that. South Africa's
diamonds lying around everywhere, everywhere, everywhere. We got, we got.
(04:46):
We got one more bit of awesomeness that you'll find
on these on the web when you find this in
its standard awesome telling. It also seems that the spheres
are delicately balanced, meaning that even with modern technology g
they would have to have been made in zero gravity,
a perfectly balanced and according to the story, NASA got
(05:09):
a hold of a couple of them, and they were
confused when they examined them, and they couldn't explain how
they remained. We're still in fantasyland, right, that's the end
of fantasy land, Okay. I just like, oh, there are
so many Okay, we're just gonna have to go through
this because there are so many things. Oh yeah, no,
this this this was why when I first read, I
was like, oh, this is really crazy, and then I
started going way in a minute, there's some issues here, Yeah,
(05:32):
as a lot of a lot of smack, just just
crap has been put out. Yeah, so let's let's just
kind of suss this down real fast with just some
of the basics that we've got. These are really the
things that I've sussed out that are kind of the
the easy facts. We've got what people referred to as
possibly an out of place artifact. They so there's weird.
(05:56):
They're round rocks, they have grooves around their equator, and
they're inner material in the earth that doesn't match them,
and they don't really seem like they should be there.
They're kind of cool looking based on the images that
you see on the internet, and I would say it's
about the size of a golf ball, not an inch
would they be about? You know? Actually they from whatever.
(06:18):
They vary from about half a centimeter to like ten centimeters,
which is about four inches. Those are the largest ones
that Okay, I've seen, I've seen the variants, but I
can I don't work with centimeters, so I'm always confused
when it comes to putting that in relation to something
in real world, which is what is that around the
golf ball? And I didn't the down and dirty thing,
(06:39):
which is a centimeter is pretty close to half an inch,
close enough for government work anyway. Centimeters equals five inches.
Knock off a little bit because the centimeter is actually
a little shorter than a half an inch. So we're
looking at the softball. Yeah, very few, I think, I think,
I think I tend to be kind of more towards
the small end of the range. Well, the one that
they show on the internet all the time is about
(07:01):
the size of a golf ball, and it's got this
really weird dived in the front of it, which along
with the fact that it's got grooves around the outside,
everybody goes crazy for um and they all say it
looks like the Death Star. Well, it kind of does that.
That's kind of the best facts that we've got about
these things. It could have been an alien blueprint for
(07:22):
the best star blueprinting technology. They did a three D
print of it, and then they dropped it and it
fell to Earth. Yeah I got it. Yeah, Okay, so yeah,
the Rebel Alliance actually stole the blueprints and then they
dropped it on Earth because that nobody would ever find
it on Earth, I guess. I mean, I think it
is fair to say it does kind of look that
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way though. I mean, the one, the one that you
see all the time kind of dus kind look up
the Death Star actually had one group around the middle.
This one has three. Yeah, no, the one that's got
the hole in it, it just has the one. Oh,
you're right, it does have the single group. Yeah, that's
you're right. It is the same grew. Oh my god,
it's so crazy. We're gonna have to I mean, of course,
(08:09):
that's probably the one that we put up a website.
What they need to do is they need to scientists
need to, like, you know, get a basketball and sort
of put that thing in orbit on the basketball and
see if some rays come out of it and destroy
the basketball. And before we forget I know, we left
Fantasy Land already, but Joe and I were chatting about
this earlier, and I had forgotten about this piece of
(08:31):
the story until he brought it up. Was about the
fact that these things rotated. Yeah, that's there, according to supposedly,
according to I shouldn't say, according to the Rolf Marks,
the former curator at the Clerk Store museum. Yeah, he was.
He was quoted as saying that they were they were
stored in vibration free cases, and yet they turned around
(08:53):
on their axes all on their own. Yeah, And we'll
debunk that in a minute. But one of the interesting
things is, like I was just looking at pictures because
I'm really good at focusing on what we're doing here,
and it's like, there's this outer a cross and then
the inner layer. Right, most of them have that in
ther layer, and you cut it in half and there's
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it's distinct, right, And I think that that's a thing
that you see a lot in weird things that might
I mean, obviously they don't rotate on their own, but
might I would be more prone to rotating. Maybe it
was a misinterpretation of like, oh, if you spin it,
it rotates really well or something. I'll tell you what, Joe, Yeah,
go ahead and spill the beans on what happens and
(09:36):
why these things rotated. Yeah. Yeah. So this this, this
of course made its way, you know, twenty times around
the world before someone to actually contact this guy, and
that's Rolf Marks, former curator at the Clear Store for museum. Somebody,
somebody contacted him and asked him about this, and he
said that no, what he what he had told people
(09:57):
is that they were sitting in cases, and because there's
a lot of mining operations nearby, there's explosions going off
in the earth, and there's vibrations all the time and
tremors in the earth, and these things were not in
vibration free cases. They were in cases that were vibrating
because because of all the mining going on around and
so naturally they were moving around a little bit on
their own. And and that's really that's really really creepy,
(10:19):
although maybe not so much, I mean, because you know,
and then the story got spun around, so now they're
vibration free case. Let's put some more credit where credit
is due. This guy he's in charge of or he's
credited with perpetuating a lot of these crazy things. But
as soon as somebody contacts him, he's like, that's not
what I said at all. You guys are idiot. Well,
(10:42):
and here's here's the great thing. That's that's a perfect
place to start. So let's go ahead and let's talk
about some of this story and where it came from
originally and how it got so fantastical so fast. The
for the first time the story came out was Joe
apparently uh seven and nine and October two, n nine
(11:04):
issue with the National Enquirer, And then so you've got
the night National Enquirer. And then the same article or
somewhat modified article was published in the Juno eleventh n
issue of Scope magazine. Yeah, and and just so, I mean,
just so everybody understands, Scope is a tabloid. Scope is
the National Enquirer of South Africa Africa country. Yeah, it
(11:28):
was known for inflating its stories just to make giant headlines,
just to sell the paper, Comic CBS or the Weekly
World which coincidentally, The Weekly World News published this story
several years after the fact. You didn't know they recycled
stories endlessly. Didn't really get that. I thought bat Boy
(11:50):
was just always up to funny hijinks, which okay, So
now we can see really easily how this thing got
so crazy so quickly, with so many made up claims,
is the best way to say it. The thing that
I said earlier about NASA having gotten ahold of some
of these and being per perplexed and not knowing how
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they were made and why they were so perfectly balanced. Yeah,
that never happened. There's no record at NASA of anybody
ever giving them one of these and examining it. Yeah,
I think that actually I might have an answer to
that one. You maybe actually did. So. A guy named
(12:34):
Paul Heinrich wrote an article in uh a publication called
Reports of the National Center for Science Education. This article
is called the Mysterious Spheres of Auto Stall, South Africa.
It was published in two thousand and eight UM and
he was the one that came up with that thing earlier.
He was the one that he actually found the first
publication of this in the National Inquirer. So this guy
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actually did did all of our homework for us. So thanks,
thanks Paul Heinrich. We really, we really really appreciate that.
Uh So he said, this is probably where the NASA
thing came from. So for a brief time, the clerk
Starff the clerks Dorp Museum web page had the text
of a letter from a guy named John Hunt of Pietersburg,
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South Africa, UM and this letter claimed that the results
of the an examination of one of the objects by
the California Space Institute, which is research unity of the
University of California found all sorts of fantastic things. They
said that the its balance is so fine, exceed the
limit of their measuring technology, and was with win within
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one hundred thousands of an inch from absolute perfection. Uh.
And this this letter also said that the California Space Institute,
where these scientists supposedly were, is the organization that made
gyroscopes for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration or NASA,
So that may be where that sort of entered into
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was that letter was supposedly sent. I'm not sure and
it was sent. The date when it was spotted on
the museum's website was two thousand two, but it could
have been. I guess it was probably up there for
a while. The story so so firmly. Yeah, So that's yeah.
So anyway, and and actually it turns out this same
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guy behind ranked, the guy to whom we owe so
much because he did all of our legwork for us,
actually contacted a scientist at the California Space Institute who
said that he did remember examining one of the objects,
and that he had actually gotten HI from this guy
named Hunt. But and he said that nobody there ever
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told Hunt that these things had the extraordinary properties that
he claimed they did in this letter of course. Yeah.
He and he suggested that there was quote some error
and transmission on quote, which is a plight with saying
somebody's full of it. And he also said that the
claim that the California Space To makes gyroscopes for NASA
is completely untrue. That's true. So that's that's true even. Yes,
(15:07):
so this thing this see is kind of unraveling for us. Yeah,
and you know what, there's there's two other things that
I'm gonna point out real fast, and then we'll get
into some theory stuff as to what are there where
they came from. There was at one point in the
story there was a comment that said they were so
hard they couldn't be scratched by steel. What does that
(15:27):
even mean? That's the problem because there's a bazillion grades
of steel. We just talked about this in the Uffbert. Yes,
that's just the worst and there's super solid pure steel,
so that that just saying it can't be scratched by
steel doesn't say anything. That's that's not a measurement that
(15:47):
you can put out there and have any credibility. Yeah. No, Um,
the guy I'm going to beat this Paul Heinrich thing
to death. Here. He actually, as I said, was he's
actually given several of these objects, and he actually sought
a couple of them and a half. So it's harder
than steel? How do you do that? He said that
he examined them and they had there's a thing called
the most scales m hardness hardness, and you found out
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of them to be harder than four to five on
the most scale. And he said that a rating of
seven to eight is more typical steel of hardened steel.
So they're not harder than the steel. Yeah, here's the
other thing. They're called spheres, but they're not round. They're
not perfectly round. They're actually most of them are. Okay,
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they're not like a golf ball perfectly round. They're more
like a squished golf ball. They're kind of wide in
the middle and then they taper up and down so
there they look like something that's been there, more like
a disc shape. Yeah, some of them are. Some of
them are pretty symmetrical. There are some that are very
symmetrical now there, but some of them are not. You know,
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in a lot of times they're found clumped together. The
word the way I saw it explained that made a
lot of sense. Is like soap bubbles. You know, when
you're a kid, you blow soap bubbles in the air,
and then a bunch of them joined together, and they
are they actually clumped together like that. They're stuck together
like that, which interesting is a little weird. You don't
see any pictures of them like that. You do see
(17:18):
some when you start looking around, and here's the here's
the one. The one thing I'm going to point out
is you know that awesome picture that makes it looks
like the Death Star. Yeah, that photo is stretched to
make it round. It's that one's actually evidently a little flat,
and that photo has been drug so that a little upward,
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a little downward so that it looks a little a
little more perfect. So there's not I don't I looked
at numerous pictures of these things. I haven't seen one
that was actually spherical. I haven't seen one that was
perfectly round. I mean, there's something that are pretty close,
and some of them are pretty symmetrical like but that's
that's about where it ends. So let's get into some
theories about these things, because they're still weird. They still
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don't make any sense. It's very odd. Uh. And we're
gonna go ahead and we're just gonna go straight to
what standard science says. We're irrationals. We're gonna go rational, irrational,
irrational rationals. Yes, we're switching it up today, Haliburton and
Big Tobacco, wat us all the things. Uh. So the
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first thing is modern science says that their natural formations.
That makes sense. It does. And I had to I
really had to kind of read through this to to
figure out how this would happen and how this works.
So I'm gonna I'm gonna walk through this and we'll
just we'll do what we can to make this as
understandable as possible. According to uh and you were quoting him,
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Paul Heinrich, this fears are actually what are called concretions.
They're not made out of metal, as Joe was saying,
So that's a big issue. They there's spheres made out
of hematite, which is an iron ore mineral, and that
they're volcanic concretions. So here's how this works. To to
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just kind of break it down into the simplest way.
Because they're in the pirrify light, which is soft, but
it's not it's not continuous all the way down. In
other words, there's pockets in there. There's voids in the material,
and sentiments come down in water and they percollect down
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through that material and when they hit that void, evidently,
according to how a concretion works, is that the metals
that's in the water is separated and then it begins
to build up and it fills in that void. So
basically it fills a hole. That makes a lot of
sense to me that, like the water would just settle
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in these pockets, right, and then it would get warmer,
so the water, the actual water would evaporate, but the
minerals that were in the water would stay, and then
it would happen doesn't evaporate, say, but it's for whatever reason, Yeah,
So it would keep the mineral deposits would keep happening there.
And the picture that I kind of think is like
a water filter right through charcoal, is it's the same
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kind of variance of material. So the charcoal or the
piratefy life, yeah, is filtering out stuff and it's getting
stuck in these pockets. And the reason that there are
the rings around the spears is because that just happens
to be that there was a ring in the pocket
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where they were formed. That's the only explanation corting science
is that it just happens to be at that midway point,
or it's somewhere in there. There was some kind of
groove that they grew into, because as they've build up,
they're going to fill in that pocket. I guess to
play aliens advocate, right, it's advocated right. I mean, but
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there are a lot of these spheres, right, and a
lot of them have these kind of that just seems
like a big coincidence to have happened that many times
in that kind of perfect way. Just draw that out there,
with that many of the spheres to have that many
rings that perfectly. The only thing, the only thing that
I could think of that maybe could have explained it is,
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let's say that there's this void in the concretion is
developing in there, and it gets about halfway and then
the earth settles a little bit, and so the material
around it is going to try and fill in that void,
but it can't do it now because it's partially occupied
by this mineral deposit. Does that make sense, I guess,
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But I feel like it would have filled the whole
thing until you'd get these like semicircles. That might be
why they're they're flattening thing. But then they but they
still have the rings they do. But here's I'm just
bring and I appreciate that. But here's the funny thing.
These are not the only kind of spears that are found,
not like clerk starts the only place that we find these.
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Now they are fine. Just just just a quick aside
though from my longer article by Paul Heinrich. Apparently the
way I understand it from reading his explanation is that
they don't they don't fill in hollow spots and the sediments,
but instead they just sort of they seep through and
they start to build up within the sediment itself. So
they're reacting with the material of the sediment. So it's
(22:28):
like gaming together. Yeah, And so the um the rings
are because the sediment basically is in layers, and so
there's some of the some some fine layers of those
are are just some layers are finer and more dense
than other layers above and below them, and so the
concretion occurs more slowly in that particular little piece of layer,
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and so that's why it doesn't grow outward as much,
and so you get you get a little indentation or
a ring in the object, and then it goes up
a little bit and it's back to the less finally
grained sentiment and it grows out to the original diameter.
And so that's that is how the rings are formed.
I guess. Yeah, that's interesting. It's just so interesting that
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it would be a sphere then, right, or like close
to a sphere, you know that it would just be
like that little bit in the middle and then oh,
it's perfectly compact or whatever. But that doesn't but that
does also explain the ones that have multiple grooves around them,
if it's if it's different densities. I guess it's the
(23:33):
right word to use of the sediment. But why is
it spearce? Right, Yeah, I don't understand it enough, but
I do know that concretions happen. Yeah, totally. The geologist
this kind of thing is very common. As you were
about to say, they have occurred are in many other
places around the world. Right, So we've got the Molky marbles,
which you're from southwest Utah and they're about the same size. Uh,
(23:58):
there's a couple of places on the East Coast of
the US that have very perfectly round is looking sphere
rocks that are totally normal. Australia, there's the hammers lea group.
That's another one, and I've seen some of these and
some of these rocks, I mean they they're rocks and
they're perfectly round, and they're like the size of a cannonballer.
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More well, they're the ones in I guess South Africa,
which or no South America, which I assume will. I mean,
I'm sure we'll do a show on at some point
that are giant, right, that are like eight or nine
ft tall. I'm not familiar with those ones. Well we'll
talk about they're giant and they are like spheres as well.
(24:42):
I think those I suspect those are from something else,
but they also I guess could maybe potentially fall into
this category. And well you know what those are from
is do you remember the first Indiana Jones movie. Yeah, Well,
those and that giant ball at the beginning that was
rolling down trying to attempting to crush him as he
invaded that temple to plunder. It's it's right, right, right, Well,
those came, it's theorized from a single manufacturers. Yeah. Yeah,
(25:10):
and again, I mean I'll probably do a show about
this at some point. But the like indigenous theories that
it was giants, it was the marbles of giants. Awesome. Yeah,
so all that out there. Yeah. The next theory that
we have, which is still within the realm of plausible
(25:31):
is meteorites. Okay, I can't Okay, Yeah, yeah, I mean
we know meteors hit our planet all the time, and
a couple of billion years ago there was probably a
bunch more hitting the planet than there are now because
things were different back then. I don't think we had
as as strong as an atmosphere. That could be completely
(25:53):
a bad scientific statement to make, but no, I think
the I think that the Solar system was in more
the states of Upheople. Yes, that's a good way to
put it. There's also a lot of reports of meteors
being discovered in Africa. It's a huge continent, so that
doesn't there Uh well, yeah, they find them and they
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find them all over Africa all the time. And if
you follow the Pangaea, is that the theory that we
started out as one continent, and the big chunk of
it was we all broke off from Africa, So Africa
was kind of the center of it. So also Africa
one of the least developed countries right or continents. It's
not even one country, right, there's not a lot of
(26:38):
industrial not like digging stuff up and paving over stuff
like that. It's very true. Last year in North Africa
they found a meteorite that was actually part of Mars. Rightly,
according to this report that I came across this, it
was a it was a chunk of Mars. They've been
(26:58):
scraped off. And yeah, I mean that that kind of
thing has been documented. They I mean, you know, at
times Mars and the Earth and the Moon have been
hit with really gigantic objects, some of those creators on
the moon. The moon is a product, right of us
getting hit by something. Really, That's that's one theory, although
there's other theories, and I don't know that that one's
(27:20):
really prevalent theory anymore. Next week on thinking we'll talk
about that, we'll solve that. The moon, well, yeah, he
gets smacked with something, something really enormous material fly so
but it's completely plausible that it could have been meteorites
and and you know they bury themselves in the ground
and then sediment continues to build up on top of them.
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We could have had, you know, bunches and bunches of
meteor storms that we're hitting this one area and dropping
these stones, and what we what he hits at the
end is what's left of a larger object and it's
been eroded in a very very interesting manner usually right,
So that would explain the spherical nature that could possibly
(28:06):
explain it. Yep, that is very true. So if they
are meteorites, then that would also explain why they're not
the same as the sediment that they're found in. True,
because they're a little different. And this, uh, this kind
of object has been spotted in other places, namely Mars. Yeah, yeah,
(28:29):
I knew that would take a second to sink in. Uh.
In two thousand and twelve, the Mars are Over Curiosity
sent back images of spheres that were embedded in an
outcrop of on Mars. Of and they call the place
what did they call it Kirkwood? Which is it's in
(28:50):
the western rim of the Endeavor Crater. So how do
they know that this place is called Kirkwood? Is there
a sign? Anyway? They found Mars and they took images
of a bunch of what could be concretions like this
set into the surface and it's they're about the same size.
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So it could be that they are the ones that
are on Mars are a product of the natural process
according to modern science say, or it could have been
other meteors that were buried and then slowly excavated by
winds and whatnot. That's crazy. I was just again just
looking at pictures and they like that. They do. That's crazy.
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That's what the weird thing is. I think they nicknamed him.
There's there's more than one kind that they've found, and
I remember one of them was called they called the blueberries.
They look this is girls, they look like boils, but
the ladies and gentlemen. You now have a visual. So yeah,
so they were formed on Mars and then Mars gets
hit with a really massive rock on their center over
(29:54):
to Earth or vice versa. They're formed on Earth and
then they get cent over to Mars. Yeah, either way, so,
but it looks like they're happening on another planet. So
it's either one of these two theories could apply to
both plants. One of these things is not like the other,
you know, it's not like the other though. Our next theory.
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What's that It's Devin's favorite aliens, aliens. Okay, Okay, here
we go. Okay, so there's a lot of people who
use the clerk Storp spears as proof that there was
a civilization on our planet before us. Okay, wait, I'm
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going to take offense to the term aliens in this context.
I'm going to say this is a prehistoric intelligent race
because they are not aliens, because they existed on our
planet as predecessors to our race. I just I mean,
I feel like aliens implies people from intelligent beings frama
(30:58):
different planet coming to Earth and not settling here, not
becoming Earth beings, not becoming Earthlings. Okay, right, people who
are not native to Earth, or people who do a
prior civilization of beings. You're welcome. Okay, that is much better. Okay.
(31:19):
But but but I mean you would like this distinction
because you think that they might have been some race
that evolved naturally here on the planet or lived here, right.
I mean that the implication of this theory that they
aided here, saying that they were on this planet for
some duration of time. Yeah, I would say that those
are like prior native earthlings Okay, natives that doubt that
(31:42):
they originated that far, because when did life actually originate
on Earth? Well, that's that's what we've got because according
to the according to the established age of these fears,
they're Precambrian. At that time, the only record of life
that we can determine was on this planet was algae. Yeah, yeah,
(32:05):
that's exactly just microbes and things like that. Right. So,
but this theory, if I'm understanding it correctly, is that
that there were sentient beings, intelligent beings that we're creating
these things that existed on Earth at that time. Right,
That's how this theory goes, right, Yes, yeah, which is no,
(32:25):
I don't find that credible, are you kidding me? Would
be dead body somewhere like we got on a fossil
of some kind. They were like boneless algae creatures, which tb. Yeah,
I can just see algae producing one of these things
that what's that? What's that one critter that's always on Futurama,
the green globe? No, no, no, the green glob that
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eats you and everybody can see you floating around in
his guts because he's a green blob. They were boneless.
It was just all it was was like what phytoplasm? Right?
I mean, okay, so like I'm willing to accept maybe
if we're saying that beating that we've beaten that to death.
Here's Here's where then the spheres come in is then
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people come up with all kinds of explanations of what
that civilization would have used them for. If we just
run with the theory that there was some sentient being
on this planet, Atlantis could have been Atlantis, but we
don't know. But we're just running with there's some kind
(33:27):
of civilization than what were the spheres used for? Oh? Yeah,
they were used for a lot of things, according to
the theories. They were currency, they were ammunition, maybe they
were talisman's, they were a form of art. Maybe they
were a form of a record keeping device. Definitely not
(33:50):
well listen, listen, Okay, too giant to be currency, right, Like,
who wants to carry that around? Really? I mean truly,
even if you're a giant, you don't really want to
carry that around. Okay, art? Maybe probably form of ammunition.
Maybe that's about the right. Wouldn't we be finding little
cannons that would have been shot out of the probably
(34:12):
the Alismans who wants to wear something that big? People
do it all the time. Listen, I've seen some of
the weird jewelry that you've worn before. It's big strand though, right,
Like you don't wear one pendant. People do sometimes, but
then you would find other things and there would be
holes in it. Throw that out there, and then I
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just think, well, the thing about it is too, is
that again, if they're like say talisman's or some form
of currency whatever, then that would apply. That would apply
a fairly primitive culture. And again, it's not possible for
there there to have been any sort of primitive culture
on this planet at that time, at that point in time,
because because the culture that's something only culture that could
(34:55):
have been here was a sophisticated alien culture that came
and hung out for a while, a little while, a
long time. I think that's true. I know, and I'm
with Joe on this one. Is that like, if this
is something from a leftover from a culture that is
a culture sophisticated enough to have exited the Earth before
any of them died right or left any record that
(35:16):
we can currently recognize as living beings dying, that's a
hugely sophisticated culture. They know how to work metal. They're
not carrying around metal balls. Yeah and yeah, why would
they and why would they make these stupid little things
when they cool stuff like iPads fossilized remain So it
turns out I'm with Joe. Yeah, that's unusual. It's super unusual. Okay, well,
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I'm I'm glad we've got that one settled. Cool. Now
we get to have even more fun because we're going
to the outer edge theory. There's more, there is one more, okay, okay,
right off the bat. Uh, this is very far flung
and the links of piece A two piece B are
(36:04):
kind of tenuous. But we're just going to take these
leaps of faith this alright. So to start off with,
we need to get off the planet Earth. Oh where
are we going? We're going to go to Saturn. Were
going to get there? What snap of my fingers were there? Yeah,
I'm just that good. Well, there is a moon around
(36:25):
Saturn that it's the eighth moon of Saturn called Yapatis.
Saturn is hoarding moons. It got more than their fair
shared out there. They have way many more more than
they need. Yeah. Yeah, Occupy Saturnpaturn hashtag occupies satura. There
(36:46):
we go. The first thing we need to look at
when we get to this moon is sorry, I'm sorry,
what did you say? It was called again? I wasn't.
The first thing that we want to look at when
we look at this moon is the equatorial ridge that's
running around the moon. It's it's got a big old
ridge going about around its circumference all the way around.
(37:12):
That ridge is about twelve and a half miles high
at its peak, it's a hundred and twenty four miles
across at its whitest dge. It is one heck of
a ridge. Uh. And the other thing, so it's weird
because it's got this ridge, which is kind of like
the spheres. They have a ridge though it's it's not
(37:35):
yeah they have they have an any it's got an auty.
But the next thing we want to look at is that.
And this is based on photos of the moon, and
I don't know how much validity I put in them,
but according to the photos of the moon, if you
look at it, it's got a rectlinear geometry. What are
(37:56):
you talking about right now? Yeah, it's not spheral, but okay,
so it's not a sphere. But what does that even
shape mean that shape means that it is what they
call in some of these articles and icosahedrad. What an icosahedra,
I'm sorry, it's kind of like it's a sided object.
(38:22):
So it's got it's got polygons and hexagons making up inside. Yeah.
If you've played dungeons, right then you're quite familiar with that. Yes, yeah,
we almost succeeded. There we go. White people really do
have more trouble doing the high fi. All right. So
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the it has, according to these observations, this odd structure
to the to it, and that along with the fact
that there is a huge depression on the surface of
it that's in the shape of a hexagon on plus
these this linear geometry along it's outside, so it's not round.
(39:06):
It's like it's made by math. It's a mathematical shape.
People say it's not really a planet. Well I think okay,
and again aliens advocate here, right, But I feel like
that is a good point. Things that are made by nature,
by and large are spherical in some way. They may
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not be a perfect circle, they may be an oval.
They're around, they have rounded shapes because that's what nature
or the universe or the laws of physics due to
things is they make things kind of a sphere because
everything gets gloamed together in kind of a sphere, not
with these like weird flat planes flat planes on them.
(39:51):
And I feel like that's a I mean again, that's
not typical planet moon formation. Yeah, and it's it's okay,
So maybe it's pictures. Maybe we're totally in I hear it.
Maybe the pictures are like reflecting something weird or whatever.
But that's weird. If it's true that that's how that
moon is shaped, that's weird. It's a little odd. And
(40:13):
I've been looking at these pictures again, like while we're
doing this, and there are a lot of pictures of
the spheres that have like weird kind of angular side
a little bit to them. They're not actually nice and
smooth and round. Yeah, but I've gotta say, I've looked
at pictures of the oppotus and it doesn't look to
me like a D twenty. It looks like it's pretty
much spherical except for them. Yeah. It's it's in key
(40:36):
photographs that people point out that hey, this isn't actually
around object, and that's that's you're finding the photo that
you're looking for is kind of what everybody else says, Oh,
that's what you're looking for, And I wonder you're referencing
that one. But I can see how you would say
that because most of the things that you see it
doesn't actually look like it's got flat edges to us.
(40:58):
It looks kind of spherical to me, but with a weird,
funny ridge around it, and I think it's personally. I
think it's something to do with the ridge that makes
it weird. But I don't know. Okay, well, let's just
say that we're just gonna run with this that it's
a D twenty is actually what this moon is. Okay, well,
then what's that mean. If it's a D twenty and
(41:20):
it's not naturally occurring, then that splits the debate in
half as to what that means for Yapetus. Actually, it
doesn't split into two, it's splits it into three. I
apologize for that. Uh. Some people say that it was
a death star type plant for some species that's no
(41:43):
longer around. In other words, they were gonna use it
to as a weapon of some sort and then either
won the war, lost the war, were wiped out by
the war. I don't know what but they're they're not
around anymore, and so it drifted until it was finally
caught by Saturday and now it's just in Saturday's orbit. Yeah,
you know what happened is they we're going to come
(42:04):
to Earth and kick our asses, and they came down
and we turned them onto things like pot and tobacco.
And I don't think this beyond a death star. What
else could it have been? Well, we have the theory
that it is a world sized arc. I kind of
(42:24):
like the theory, kind of like it too. This is
saying that it was used by some other species to
carry the seeds of life across the galaxy until it
found the inappropriate planet, and then until it found a
Goldilocks planet, found a Goldilocks planet, and then it sent
down all the biological material that was needed and that
(42:47):
was carried in the spheres. So the spheres hit, they
release everything and then it's like, well, my job's done
and it just hangs out And isn't it worth mentioning that?
Like right like within in that entry of these rocks
being dated, this is when we have an explosion of life.
(43:08):
I'm sorry, within a reason seventy years within within and
two years but within, like on a global timeline, in
a very small fragment of time, Suddenly around that that
Precambrian area is where things're absolutely correct. I feel like
(43:33):
there's something worth it. Yeah. The only problem I have
with that there is that these things were containers of life,
then shouldn't they be popped open? No? Because didn't we
just talk about this. We talked about this in the
Spanish flu episode. Is that true? And that like if
it had a frozen shell of seeds around it, right,
(43:54):
it was frozen and it entered the atmosphere and everything
kind of melted and everything fell to the earth and
then everything No, it could be No, I know where
you're going here, And I remember part of that where
part of it was pulled away and not all of
it was burned up. And I think basically what it
means is the sphere is kind of the rubbery, squishy
inside part of your golf ball, and the outside of
(44:16):
the golf ball is what carried all the seeds of life.
I don't know. I don't like the theory kind of
a lot. I knew you like this, you did. I
knew you would and again and you know to like
not to go on a tirade here, But I'm kind
of a little bit. Yeah, I just think that like
it's a big mystery of our history of our planet
(44:37):
that like there was nothing for a really long time
and then suddenly there was kind of everything. Well, yeah,
the major theory is that is that most of the
water that we have and probably life also is brought
by comets. Right, But so, like, what's so different between
saying like it was comets and it was these tiny
little spheres A sphere is honest. Yeah. The other thing
that probably had with that is that they should be
(44:59):
we should be ideum everywhere on the planet, but we
are aren't. We We're finding similar rocks, similar rocks in
other places, but but they're kind of concentrated places Like
that doesn't really kill the theory entirely, but I would
think that they would be found pretty much everywhere, and
they're not found. Okay, Well, if I'm if I'm going
to stand up and defend this, then you also have
to remember that what happens when there's geologic upheaval and
(45:24):
let's say they're all over and then volcanoes happen and things,
you know, and flood flood so much, but plate tectonic
so plates are getting eaten up and that material is
getting pulled down and melted down. I mean, there's a
lot of geological reasons why we might not find it everywhere.
I don't know, but you know, I'm gonna offend it.
(45:46):
I can. I can look at it from that perspective,
and then we have just one more theory on Well,
this is one more piece of if the Moon is
not real or if it's not a natural formation, And
this one's pretty awesome. It is a it's a renovated planet,
(46:08):
and it was a hotel planet, and the hotel planet
was drug to Saturn so that the residents are the
people staying at that hotel planet could see the beautiful
rings of Saturn. And then eventually the hotel went out
of business and they just left it there there. So
now no, But would you say it's a renovated planet,
do you mean it's an artificial structure or it's just
(46:30):
a planet that somebody drugged there. I'm not saying either,
because I've seen both directions where some say they took
this planet, they shaved it down, they made it into
shape that they needed, and then they drug it there.
And then I've seen some that say, oh no, it's
it's completely a construct. My and and my big argument
on that, right, even though I am the alien advocate, right,
(46:51):
is that if there were that many species that intelligent
to create something that came to our solar system, they
would have visited us by now. They would have made
their presence known to us by now because we have
been no, we have been sending please out to the
universe for so long in radio waves and other waves,
(47:11):
right saying hey, we're intelligent, come pay attention to us.
But if you went out of business before the you know,
before we had algae on this planet and we're a backwater,
this backwater solar system, and then it fails. There are
urban explorers in on our planet. There's like so rampant
(47:34):
that like people go to like Chernobyl for instance, just
to like take pictures how awesome it is. I just
find I would find it so hard to believe that,
Like if there were this alien race and they're like, hey,
there's this derelict, you know, hotel that had this awesome
view in this backwater place that like nobody really goes to,
that nobody would be like, hey, let's go there and
(47:55):
then be like, oh, weird, there's this radio they know
coming from this that they might have just hung out
there for a while. And then and then they when
they detected signs of intelligent life on on on the
planet Earth, they decided to vacate. Maybe. I don't know,
I mean, I just I just think that, you know,
if there were alien species out there that had put
(48:16):
a hotel that close to us that recently, I mean, like,
how do you know as a hotel and not say
like a brothel, big some big leaps of you know. Yeah.
That having been said, that is the end of the
(48:37):
theories as to why these fears are what they are.
We've got natural formations. We've got that they were the
remnants of some form of life on this planet before us.
We've got the uh smoon of Saturn theory. There's there's
all kinds of stuff going on here. Oh and meteorites.
(48:58):
Can't forget about meteoritest not And I mean these are
probably the top five. I found a lot of more
sidebar threads that go into some theories as to what
these are, but again, it just would take so long
to just go through all of them. But that's about
like alien pokemon pieces or something like that. I think
(49:21):
that would be the remnants of a prior civilization. They
were children's toys, they were happy meal toys. They were
they were all dumped in one area. That's that's what
it was. It was the Earth as the ocean of
a different alien race just come here and dump their
garbage off. So what do you what do you guys,
I mean, what's your what's your preferred theory here on
(49:41):
this one? Well, I can't really, I I can't choose
one over the other. I mean, they're all equally believable.
Not not really. I'll go with I'll go with the
geologists who say that this is natural concretion formations. That
seems pretty blatantly obvious. And Christ, you know, it might
be that once again that you know, Haliburton, a big
(50:04):
tobacco successfully pulled the wool over my eyes. But you
but it seems like with the facts that our fingertips
so far, and that looks like the most plausible theory
because I feel obligated to provide. Yeah, I feel again,
I'm gonna want again once again, aliens advocate. I think
(50:24):
it's the arc theory. I like that theory. I mean,
I know that you put it in there because you
knew that I would like it. It's a fun theory,
it's a good I like. I mean, you know, and
again I think that like one of the big mysteries
that we are always trying to solve as human beings
is where did we come from? Right? Because I think
there's this like innate feeling that like, well, we couldn't
have been a product of billions of years of evolution
(50:48):
and everybody, you know, of course, everybody says like, yeah, no,
we were revolution It's fine, but there's always that feeling
of like, but there must be something a little bit
more right, like there's something like a little extra there
about us. And I feel like this is a great
kind of a little something extra about us. So we
were so alien? Yeah, they dropped a bunch of microbes
(51:09):
on the planet and next thing, you know, here's the thing. Uh,
they're kind of like pot growers, you know, illegal pot
growers that go to the national forest and drop a
bunch of seeds. Maybe that thing, maybe that's why we
haven't been visited. Well what I've been harvested yet they're
going to come back for the harvest, I would say, everybody,
(51:30):
all of our listeners by guns. What do you think, Steve, I,
if I have to choose, I'm gonna go with natural formations,
although I do I could also see meteorites being a
plausible one, but after that it just it gets too
far from me. Well, and again, you know, this is
one of those quintessential like out of place artifacts, right,
(51:53):
and that I could almost see natural formation, but for
a few details. I could all will see this, but
for a few details. So I think that's, you know,
again one of the that's what makes it an unsolved mystery. Yeah, yeah,
that's that's the difficulty with this. Yeah, well, but we're
not about unsolved mysteries. We're about solving ulster wrong and
(52:16):
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that having been said is all that we've got on
this one. So it's it's still rolling around. But I
(53:44):
still don't have an answer to it. Now. I think
we solved it, but I don't want to say if
if you, if you are a clerk store, if you
are a clerk storp sphere, please call practice. We want
to hear your story. I guess that's the that's the thing,
right is we didn't think about fossils. No, it could
(54:06):
have been animal droppings. It was aliens. Okay, it could
have been alien droppings. Right, it's time to go, guys.
It was aliens. Bye bye, aliens.
Thinking sideways. I don't stories of things we simply don't
know the answer too. Well, Hey there on Steve next
to me is oh, Devin, you're pointing at me. So
(00:26):
I guess I say my name now, and I guess
I'm Joe. And what's to do to our show? And
put us in a room? And what do you get? Guys?
You're fired. You are not allowed to do anymore. I'm
kicking my ball and going home and sticking at balls.
(00:47):
Oh nice, segway, sir, Well, gonna be one of those
shows anyway. Today's show is going to be about something
that's called the clerk Store Spears. I'm just gonna say
right off the bat for listeners, you don't know this,
but Joe and Devon obviously do. Is this is a
(01:07):
story that I found a long time ago, one of
the initial stories that I wanted to do for this show,
but I held off. This is your Tom and Shrewd
and to be Tiles. Yes, well, I held off just
because all the conjecture. It's so hard to to try
and burrow down to anything that could be factual. You know, actually,
(01:27):
if you, if you look hard enough, you can find
people that have actually seen these things with their own
eyes and examine them. We'll talk about that list, and
there is some of that out there. But this story
is pretty fantastical, and I'm just gonna go ahead and
tell it the way you normally read it on those
awesome pages on the web. Oh, are we talking about
the black background white scripts. Well, it's it's not even.
(01:50):
There's other sites besides your favorite kind that do this.
All right, what the obligatory flying saucer charity to the gods? Yes, yes,
of course, So here we go. Over the last few decades,
miners in South Africa have been digging up mysterious metal
spheres while mining pyro philight pro fhilight. What is that?
(02:11):
It's basically chalk for like blackboards or tailors. It's really
soft chalk. The spheres measure approximately an inter or so
in diameter and summer etched with three parallel grooves running
around the equator, and some only have one. There are
two types of some of them any at all? Well, yeah,
(02:33):
there is there is that, but this is the this
is your fantastic Okay, they all have grooves. Okay. Two
types of spheres have been found. One is composed of
solid bluish metal with flux of white, and the other
is hollowed out and filled with a spongy white substance
(02:53):
like the rock in which they're found is god. The
rocket which they are found is Precambrian. So according to that,
it's dated to be two point eight million. That's billion
(03:16):
years old. If we were just talking about this, do
you keep giving me crap all the time about carbon
dating and how you can actually carbon date natural materials.
With the rocks and stuff like, you can't tell how
old they are, so what what do you I'm in
the fantastical telling. So it's okay, okay, all right, okay,
(03:37):
I'll give it to you. All right. I just wanted
to be able to say, wait, I know, sir, I'm
not disagreeing with you. I understand. Okay. Can I continue on? Yes, okay,
you may proceed. Thank you. We have a gentleman by
the name of Rolf Marks, who is the former curator
of the Clerk Store Museum. He is quoted as saying,
(03:59):
there is nothing scientific published about the globes, but the
facts are they're found in pyro Philight, which is mined
near the little town of Auto Stall. Is that how
you said? Okay? In the Western Transvaal. The pyrophilight is
a soft secondary mineral and was formed by sediment about
(04:20):
two point eight billion years ago. On the other hand,
the globes, which have a fibers structure on the inside
with a shell around it, are very hard and cannot
be scratched even by steel, steel, even by steel. What
about diamonds. I don't think anybody's tried that. South Africa's
diamonds lying around everywhere, everywhere, everywhere. We got, we got.
(04:46):
We got one more bit of awesomeness that you'll find
on these on the web when you find this in
its standard awesome telling. It also seems that the spheres
are delicately balanced, meaning that even with modern technology g
they would have to have been made in zero gravity,
a perfectly balanced and according to the story, NASA got
(05:09):
a hold of a couple of them, and they were
confused when they examined them, and they couldn't explain how
they remained. We're still in fantasyland, right, that's the end
of fantasy land, Okay. I just like, oh, there are
so many Okay, we're just gonna have to go through
this because there are so many things. Oh yeah, no,
this this this was why when I first read, I
was like, oh, this is really crazy, and then I
started going way in a minute, there's some issues here, Yeah,
(05:32):
as a lot of a lot of smack, just just
crap has been put out. Yeah, so let's let's just
kind of suss this down real fast with just some
of the basics that we've got. These are really the
things that I've sussed out that are kind of the
the easy facts. We've got what people referred to as
possibly an out of place artifact. They so there's weird.
(05:56):
They're round rocks, they have grooves around their equator, and
they're inner material in the earth that doesn't match them,
and they don't really seem like they should be there.
They're kind of cool looking based on the images that
you see on the internet, and I would say it's
about the size of a golf ball, not an inch
would they be about? You know? Actually they from whatever.
(06:18):
They vary from about half a centimeter to like ten centimeters,
which is about four inches. Those are the largest ones
that Okay, I've seen, I've seen the variants, but I
can I don't work with centimeters, so I'm always confused
when it comes to putting that in relation to something
in real world, which is what is that around the
golf ball? And I didn't the down and dirty thing,
(06:39):
which is a centimeter is pretty close to half an inch,
close enough for government work anyway. Centimeters equals five inches.
Knock off a little bit because the centimeter is actually
a little shorter than a half an inch. So we're
looking at the softball. Yeah, very few, I think, I think,
I think I tend to be kind of more towards
the small end of the range. Well, the one that
they show on the internet all the time is about
(07:01):
the size of a golf ball, and it's got this
really weird dived in the front of it, which along
with the fact that it's got grooves around the outside,
everybody goes crazy for um and they all say it
looks like the Death Star. Well, it kind of does that.
That's kind of the best facts that we've got about
these things. It could have been an alien blueprint for
(07:22):
the best star blueprinting technology. They did a three D
print of it, and then they dropped it and it
fell to Earth. Yeah I got it. Yeah, Okay, so yeah,
the Rebel Alliance actually stole the blueprints and then they
dropped it on Earth because that nobody would ever find
it on Earth, I guess. I mean, I think it
is fair to say it does kind of look that
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way though. I mean, the one, the one that you
see all the time kind of dus kind look up
the Death Star actually had one group around the middle.
This one has three. Yeah, no, the one that's got
the hole in it, it just has the one. Oh,
you're right, it does have the single group. Yeah, that's
you're right. It is the same grew. Oh my god,
it's so crazy. We're gonna have to I mean, of course,
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that's probably the one that we put up a website.
What they need to do is they need to scientists
need to, like, you know, get a basketball and sort
of put that thing in orbit on the basketball and
see if some rays come out of it and destroy
the basketball. And before we forget I know, we left
Fantasy Land already, but Joe and I were chatting about
this earlier, and I had forgotten about this piece of
(08:31):
the story until he brought it up. Was about the
fact that these things rotated. Yeah, that's there, according to supposedly,
according to I shouldn't say, according to the Rolf Marks,
the former curator at the Clerk Store museum. Yeah, he was.
He was quoted as saying that they were they were
stored in vibration free cases, and yet they turned around
(08:53):
on their axes all on their own. Yeah, And we'll
debunk that in a minute. But one of the interesting
things is, like I was just looking at pictures because
I'm really good at focusing on what we're doing here,
and it's like, there's this outer a cross and then
the inner layer. Right, most of them have that in
ther layer, and you cut it in half and there's
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it's distinct, right, And I think that that's a thing
that you see a lot in weird things that might
I mean, obviously they don't rotate on their own, but
might I would be more prone to rotating. Maybe it
was a misinterpretation of like, oh, if you spin it,
it rotates really well or something. I'll tell you what, Joe, Yeah,
go ahead and spill the beans on what happens and
(09:36):
why these things rotated. Yeah. Yeah. So this this, this
of course made its way, you know, twenty times around
the world before someone to actually contact this guy, and
that's Rolf Marks, former curator at the Clear Store for museum. Somebody,
somebody contacted him and asked him about this, and he
said that no, what he what he had told people
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is that they were sitting in cases, and because there's
a lot of mining operations nearby, there's explosions going off
in the earth, and there's vibrations all the time and
tremors in the earth, and these things were not in
vibration free cases. They were in cases that were vibrating
because because of all the mining going on around and
so naturally they were moving around a little bit on
their own. And and that's really that's really really creepy,
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although maybe not so much, I mean, because you know,
and then the story got spun around, so now they're
vibration free case. Let's put some more credit where credit
is due. This guy he's in charge of or he's
credited with perpetuating a lot of these crazy things. But
as soon as somebody contacts him, he's like, that's not
what I said at all. You guys are idiot. Well,
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and here's here's the great thing. That's that's a perfect
place to start. So let's go ahead and let's talk
about some of this story and where it came from
originally and how it got so fantastical so fast. The
for the first time the story came out was Joe
apparently uh seven and nine and October two, n nine
(11:04):
issue with the National Enquirer, And then so you've got
the night National Enquirer. And then the same article or
somewhat modified article was published in the Juno eleventh n
issue of Scope magazine. Yeah, and and just so, I mean,
just so everybody understands, Scope is a tabloid. Scope is
the National Enquirer of South Africa Africa country. Yeah, it
(11:28):
was known for inflating its stories just to make giant headlines,
just to sell the paper, Comic CBS or the Weekly
World which coincidentally, The Weekly World News published this story
several years after the fact. You didn't know they recycled
stories endlessly. Didn't really get that. I thought bat Boy
(11:50):
was just always up to funny hijinks, which okay, So
now we can see really easily how this thing got
so crazy so quickly, with so many made up claims,
is the best way to say it. The thing that
I said earlier about NASA having gotten ahold of some
of these and being per perplexed and not knowing how
(12:13):
they were made and why they were so perfectly balanced. Yeah,
that never happened. There's no record at NASA of anybody
ever giving them one of these and examining it. Yeah,
I think that actually I might have an answer to
that one. You maybe actually did. So. A guy named
(12:34):
Paul Heinrich wrote an article in uh a publication called
Reports of the National Center for Science Education. This article
is called the Mysterious Spheres of Auto Stall, South Africa.
It was published in two thousand and eight UM and
he was the one that came up with that thing earlier.
He was the one that he actually found the first
publication of this in the National Inquirer. So this guy
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actually did did all of our homework for us. So thanks,
thanks Paul Heinrich. We really, we really really appreciate that.
Uh So he said, this is probably where the NASA
thing came from. So for a brief time, the clerk
Starff the clerks Dorp Museum web page had the text
of a letter from a guy named John Hunt of Pietersburg,
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South Africa, UM and this letter claimed that the results
of the an examination of one of the objects by
the California Space Institute, which is research unity of the
University of California found all sorts of fantastic things. They
said that the its balance is so fine, exceed the
limit of their measuring technology, and was with win within
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one hundred thousands of an inch from absolute perfection. Uh.
And this this letter also said that the California Space Institute,
where these scientists supposedly were, is the organization that made
gyroscopes for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration or NASA,
So that may be where that sort of entered into
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was that letter was supposedly sent. I'm not sure and
it was sent. The date when it was spotted on
the museum's website was two thousand two, but it could
have been. I guess it was probably up there for
a while. The story so so firmly. Yeah, So that's yeah.
So anyway, and and actually it turns out this same
(14:22):
guy behind ranked, the guy to whom we owe so
much because he did all of our legwork for us,
actually contacted a scientist at the California Space Institute who
said that he did remember examining one of the objects,
and that he had actually gotten HI from this guy
named Hunt. But and he said that nobody there ever
(14:42):
told Hunt that these things had the extraordinary properties that
he claimed they did in this letter of course. Yeah.
He and he suggested that there was quote some error
and transmission on quote, which is a plight with saying
somebody's full of it. And he also said that the
claim that the California Space To makes gyroscopes for NASA
is completely untrue. That's true. So that's that's true even. Yes,
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so this thing this see is kind of unraveling for us. Yeah,
and you know what, there's there's two other things that
I'm gonna point out real fast, and then we'll get
into some theory stuff as to what are there where
they came from. There was at one point in the
story there was a comment that said they were so
hard they couldn't be scratched by steel. What does that
(15:27):
even mean? That's the problem because there's a bazillion grades
of steel. We just talked about this in the Uffbert. Yes,
that's just the worst and there's super solid pure steel,
so that that just saying it can't be scratched by
steel doesn't say anything. That's that's not a measurement that
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you can put out there and have any credibility. Yeah. No, Um,
the guy I'm going to beat this Paul Heinrich thing
to death. Here. He actually, as I said, was he's
actually given several of these objects, and he actually sought
a couple of them and a half. So it's harder
than steel? How do you do that? He said that
he examined them and they had there's a thing called
the most scales m hardness hardness, and you found out
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of them to be harder than four to five on
the most scale. And he said that a rating of
seven to eight is more typical steel of hardened steel.
So they're not harder than the steel. Yeah, here's the
other thing. They're called spheres, but they're not round. They're
not perfectly round. They're actually most of them are. Okay,
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they're not like a golf ball perfectly round. They're more
like a squished golf ball. They're kind of wide in
the middle and then they taper up and down so
there they look like something that's been there, more like
a disc shape. Yeah, some of them are. Some of
them are pretty symmetrical. There are some that are very
symmetrical now there, but some of them are not. You know,
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in a lot of times they're found clumped together. The
word the way I saw it explained that made a
lot of sense. Is like soap bubbles. You know, when
you're a kid, you blow soap bubbles in the air,
and then a bunch of them joined together, and they
are they actually clumped together like that. They're stuck together
like that, which interesting is a little weird. You don't
see any pictures of them like that. You do see
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some when you start looking around, and here's the here's
the one. The one thing I'm going to point out
is you know that awesome picture that makes it looks
like the Death Star. Yeah, that photo is stretched to
make it round. It's that one's actually evidently a little flat,
and that photo has been drug so that a little upward,
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a little downward so that it looks a little a
little more perfect. So there's not I don't I looked
at numerous pictures of these things. I haven't seen one
that was actually spherical. I haven't seen one that was
perfectly round. I mean, there's something that are pretty close,
and some of them are pretty symmetrical like but that's
that's about where it ends. So let's get into some
theories about these things, because they're still weird. They still
(18:04):
don't make any sense. It's very odd. Uh. And we're
gonna go ahead and we're just gonna go straight to
what standard science says. We're irrationals. We're gonna go rational, irrational,
irrational rationals. Yes, we're switching it up today, Haliburton and
Big Tobacco, wat us all the things. Uh. So the
(18:28):
first thing is modern science says that their natural formations.
That makes sense. It does. And I had to I
really had to kind of read through this to to
figure out how this would happen and how this works.
So I'm gonna I'm gonna walk through this and we'll
just we'll do what we can to make this as
understandable as possible. According to uh and you were quoting him,
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Paul Heinrich, this fears are actually what are called concretions.
They're not made out of metal, as Joe was saying,
So that's a big issue. They there's spheres made out
of hematite, which is an iron ore mineral, and that
they're volcanic concretions. So here's how this works. To to
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just kind of break it down into the simplest way.
Because they're in the pirrify light, which is soft, but
it's not it's not continuous all the way down. In
other words, there's pockets in there. There's voids in the material,
and sentiments come down in water and they percollect down
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through that material and when they hit that void, evidently,
according to how a concretion works, is that the metals
that's in the water is separated and then it begins
to build up and it fills in that void. So
basically it fills a hole. That makes a lot of
sense to me that, like the water would just settle
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in these pockets, right, and then it would get warmer,
so the water, the actual water would evaporate, but the
minerals that were in the water would stay, and then
it would happen doesn't evaporate, say, but it's for whatever reason, Yeah,
So it would keep the mineral deposits would keep happening there.
And the picture that I kind of think is like
a water filter right through charcoal, is it's the same
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kind of variance of material. So the charcoal or the
piratefy life, yeah, is filtering out stuff and it's getting
stuck in these pockets. And the reason that there are
the rings around the spears is because that just happens
to be that there was a ring in the pocket
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where they were formed. That's the only explanation corting science
is that it just happens to be at that midway point,
or it's somewhere in there. There was some kind of
groove that they grew into, because as they've build up,
they're going to fill in that pocket. I guess to
play aliens advocate, right, it's advocated right. I mean, but
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there are a lot of these spheres, right, and a
lot of them have these kind of that just seems
like a big coincidence to have happened that many times
in that kind of perfect way. Just draw that out there,
with that many of the spheres to have that many
rings that perfectly. The only thing, the only thing that
I could think of that maybe could have explained it is,
(21:24):
let's say that there's this void in the concretion is
developing in there, and it gets about halfway and then
the earth settles a little bit, and so the material
around it is going to try and fill in that void,
but it can't do it now because it's partially occupied
by this mineral deposit. Does that make sense, I guess,
(21:44):
But I feel like it would have filled the whole
thing until you'd get these like semicircles. That might be
why they're they're flattening thing. But then they but they
still have the rings they do. But here's I'm just
bring and I appreciate that. But here's the funny thing.
These are not the only kind of spears that are found,
not like clerk starts the only place that we find these.
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Now they are fine. Just just just a quick aside
though from my longer article by Paul Heinrich. Apparently the
way I understand it from reading his explanation is that
they don't they don't fill in hollow spots and the sediments,
but instead they just sort of they seep through and
they start to build up within the sediment itself. So
they're reacting with the material of the sediment. So it's
(22:28):
like gaming together. Yeah, And so the um the rings
are because the sediment basically is in layers, and so
there's some of the some some fine layers of those
are are just some layers are finer and more dense
than other layers above and below them, and so the
concretion occurs more slowly in that particular little piece of layer,
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and so that's why it doesn't grow outward as much,
and so you get you get a little indentation or
a ring in the object, and then it goes up
a little bit and it's back to the less finally
grained sentiment and it grows out to the original diameter.
And so that's that is how the rings are formed.
I guess. Yeah, that's interesting. It's just so interesting that
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it would be a sphere then, right, or like close
to a sphere, you know that it would just be
like that little bit in the middle and then oh,
it's perfectly compact or whatever. But that doesn't but that
does also explain the ones that have multiple grooves around them,
if it's if it's different densities. I guess it's the
(23:33):
right word to use of the sediment. But why is
it spearce? Right, Yeah, I don't understand it enough, but
I do know that concretions happen. Yeah, totally. The geologist
this kind of thing is very common. As you were
about to say, they have occurred are in many other
places around the world. Right, So we've got the Molky marbles,
which you're from southwest Utah and they're about the same size. Uh,
(23:58):
there's a couple of places on the East Coast of
the US that have very perfectly round is looking sphere
rocks that are totally normal. Australia, there's the hammers lea group.
That's another one, and I've seen some of these and
some of these rocks, I mean they they're rocks and
they're perfectly round, and they're like the size of a cannonballer.
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More well, they're the ones in I guess South Africa,
which or no South America, which I assume will. I mean,
I'm sure we'll do a show on at some point
that are giant, right, that are like eight or nine
ft tall. I'm not familiar with those ones. Well we'll
talk about they're giant and they are like spheres as well.
(24:42):
I think those I suspect those are from something else,
but they also I guess could maybe potentially fall into
this category. And well you know what those are from
is do you remember the first Indiana Jones movie. Yeah, Well,
those and that giant ball at the beginning that was
rolling down trying to attempting to crush him as he
invaded that temple to plunder. It's it's right, right, right, Well,
those came, it's theorized from a single manufacturers. Yeah. Yeah,
(25:10):
and again, I mean I'll probably do a show about
this at some point. But the like indigenous theories that
it was giants, it was the marbles of giants. Awesome. Yeah,
so all that out there. Yeah. The next theory that
we have, which is still within the realm of plausible
(25:31):
is meteorites. Okay, I can't Okay, Yeah, yeah, I mean
we know meteors hit our planet all the time, and
a couple of billion years ago there was probably a
bunch more hitting the planet than there are now because
things were different back then. I don't think we had
as as strong as an atmosphere. That could be completely
(25:53):
a bad scientific statement to make, but no, I think
the I think that the Solar system was in more
the states of Upheople. Yes, that's a good way to
put it. There's also a lot of reports of meteors
being discovered in Africa. It's a huge continent, so that
doesn't there Uh well, yeah, they find them and they
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find them all over Africa all the time. And if
you follow the Pangaea, is that the theory that we
started out as one continent, and the big chunk of
it was we all broke off from Africa, So Africa
was kind of the center of it. So also Africa
one of the least developed countries right or continents. It's
not even one country, right, there's not a lot of
(26:38):
industrial not like digging stuff up and paving over stuff
like that. It's very true. Last year in North Africa
they found a meteorite that was actually part of Mars. Rightly,
according to this report that I came across this, it
was a it was a chunk of Mars. They've been
(26:58):
scraped off. And yeah, I mean that that kind of
thing has been documented. They I mean, you know, at
times Mars and the Earth and the Moon have been
hit with really gigantic objects, some of those creators on
the moon. The moon is a product, right of us
getting hit by something. Really, That's that's one theory, although
there's other theories, and I don't know that that one's
(27:20):
really prevalent theory anymore. Next week on thinking we'll talk
about that, we'll solve that. The moon, well, yeah, he
gets smacked with something, something really enormous material fly so
but it's completely plausible that it could have been meteorites
and and you know they bury themselves in the ground
and then sediment continues to build up on top of them.
(27:43):
We could have had, you know, bunches and bunches of
meteor storms that we're hitting this one area and dropping
these stones, and what we what he hits at the
end is what's left of a larger object and it's
been eroded in a very very interesting manner usually right,
So that would explain the spherical nature that could possibly
(28:06):
explain it. Yep, that is very true. So if they
are meteorites, then that would also explain why they're not
the same as the sediment that they're found in. True,
because they're a little different. And this, uh, this kind
of object has been spotted in other places, namely Mars. Yeah, yeah,
(28:29):
I knew that would take a second to sink in. Uh.
In two thousand and twelve, the Mars are Over Curiosity
sent back images of spheres that were embedded in an
outcrop of on Mars. Of and they call the place
what did they call it Kirkwood? Which is it's in
(28:50):
the western rim of the Endeavor Crater. So how do
they know that this place is called Kirkwood? Is there
a sign? Anyway? They found Mars and they took images
of a bunch of what could be concretions like this
set into the surface and it's they're about the same size.
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So it could be that they are the ones that
are on Mars are a product of the natural process
according to modern science say, or it could have been
other meteors that were buried and then slowly excavated by
winds and whatnot. That's crazy. I was just again just
looking at pictures and they like that. They do. That's crazy.
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That's what the weird thing is. I think they nicknamed him.
There's there's more than one kind that they've found, and
I remember one of them was called they called the blueberries.
They look this is girls, they look like boils, but
the ladies and gentlemen. You now have a visual. So yeah,
so they were formed on Mars and then Mars gets
hit with a really massive rock on their center over
(29:54):
to Earth or vice versa. They're formed on Earth and
then they get cent over to Mars. Yeah, either way, so,
but it looks like they're happening on another planet. So
it's either one of these two theories could apply to
both plants. One of these things is not like the other,
you know, it's not like the other though. Our next theory.
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What's that It's Devin's favorite aliens, aliens. Okay, Okay, here
we go. Okay, so there's a lot of people who
use the clerk Storp spears as proof that there was
a civilization on our planet before us. Okay, wait, I'm
(30:36):
going to take offense to the term aliens in this context.
I'm going to say this is a prehistoric intelligent race
because they are not aliens, because they existed on our
planet as predecessors to our race. I just I mean,
I feel like aliens implies people from intelligent beings frama
(30:58):
different planet coming to Earth and not settling here, not
becoming Earth beings, not becoming Earthlings. Okay, right, people who
are not native to Earth, or people who do a
prior civilization of beings. You're welcome. Okay, that is much better. Okay.
(31:19):
But but but I mean you would like this distinction
because you think that they might have been some race
that evolved naturally here on the planet or lived here, right.
I mean that the implication of this theory that they
aided here, saying that they were on this planet for
some duration of time. Yeah, I would say that those
are like prior native earthlings Okay, natives that doubt that
(31:42):
they originated that far, because when did life actually originate
on Earth? Well, that's that's what we've got because according
to the according to the established age of these fears,
they're Precambrian. At that time, the only record of life
that we can determine was on this planet was algae. Yeah, yeah,
(32:05):
that's exactly just microbes and things like that. Right. So,
but this theory, if I'm understanding it correctly, is that
that there were sentient beings, intelligent beings that we're creating
these things that existed on Earth at that time. Right,
That's how this theory goes, right, Yes, yeah, which is no,
(32:25):
I don't find that credible, are you kidding me? Would
be dead body somewhere like we got on a fossil
of some kind. They were like boneless algae creatures, which tb. Yeah,
I can just see algae producing one of these things
that what's that? What's that one critter that's always on Futurama,
the green globe? No, no, no, the green glob that
(32:47):
eats you and everybody can see you floating around in
his guts because he's a green blob. They were boneless.
It was just all it was was like what phytoplasm? Right?
I mean, okay, so like I'm willing to accept maybe
if we're saying that beating that we've beaten that to death.
Here's Here's where then the spheres come in is then
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people come up with all kinds of explanations of what
that civilization would have used them for. If we just
run with the theory that there was some sentient being
on this planet, Atlantis could have been Atlantis, but we
don't know. But we're just running with there's some kind
(33:27):
of civilization than what were the spheres used for? Oh? Yeah,
they were used for a lot of things, according to
the theories. They were currency, they were ammunition, maybe they
were talisman's, they were a form of art. Maybe they
were a form of a record keeping device. Definitely not
(33:50):
well listen, listen, Okay, too giant to be currency, right, Like,
who wants to carry that around? Really? I mean truly,
even if you're a giant, you don't really want to
carry that around. Okay, art? Maybe probably form of ammunition.
Maybe that's about the right. Wouldn't we be finding little
cannons that would have been shot out of the probably
(34:12):
the Alismans who wants to wear something that big? People
do it all the time. Listen, I've seen some of
the weird jewelry that you've worn before. It's big strand though, right,
Like you don't wear one pendant. People do sometimes, but
then you would find other things and there would be
holes in it. Throw that out there, and then I
(34:34):
just think, well, the thing about it is too, is
that again, if they're like say talisman's or some form
of currency whatever, then that would apply. That would apply
a fairly primitive culture. And again, it's not possible for
there there to have been any sort of primitive culture
on this planet at that time, at that point in time,
because because the culture that's something only culture that could
(34:55):
have been here was a sophisticated alien culture that came
and hung out for a while, a little while, a
long time. I think that's true. I know, and I'm
with Joe on this one. Is that like, if this
is something from a leftover from a culture that is
a culture sophisticated enough to have exited the Earth before
any of them died right or left any record that
(35:16):
we can currently recognize as living beings dying, that's a
hugely sophisticated culture. They know how to work metal. They're
not carrying around metal balls. Yeah and yeah, why would
they and why would they make these stupid little things
when they cool stuff like iPads fossilized remain So it
turns out I'm with Joe. Yeah, that's unusual. It's super unusual. Okay, well,
(35:41):
I'm I'm glad we've got that one settled. Cool. Now
we get to have even more fun because we're going
to the outer edge theory. There's more, there is one more, okay, okay,
right off the bat. Uh, this is very far flung
and the links of piece A two piece B are
(36:04):
kind of tenuous. But we're just going to take these
leaps of faith this alright. So to start off with,
we need to get off the planet Earth. Oh where
are we going? We're going to go to Saturn. Were
going to get there? What snap of my fingers were there? Yeah,
I'm just that good. Well, there is a moon around
(36:25):
Saturn that it's the eighth moon of Saturn called Yapatis.
Saturn is hoarding moons. It got more than their fair
shared out there. They have way many more more than
they need. Yeah. Yeah, Occupy Saturnpaturn hashtag occupies satura. There
(36:46):
we go. The first thing we need to look at
when we get to this moon is sorry, I'm sorry,
what did you say? It was called again? I wasn't.
The first thing that we want to look at when
we look at this moon is the equatorial ridge that's
running around the moon. It's it's got a big old
ridge going about around its circumference all the way around.
(37:12):
That ridge is about twelve and a half miles high
at its peak, it's a hundred and twenty four miles
across at its whitest dge. It is one heck of
a ridge. Uh. And the other thing, so it's weird
because it's got this ridge, which is kind of like
the spheres. They have a ridge though it's it's not
(37:35):
yeah they have they have an any it's got an auty.
But the next thing we want to look at is that.
And this is based on photos of the moon, and
I don't know how much validity I put in them,
but according to the photos of the moon, if you
look at it, it's got a rectlinear geometry. What are
(37:56):
you talking about right now? Yeah, it's not spheral, but okay,
so it's not a sphere. But what does that even
shape mean that shape means that it is what they
call in some of these articles and icosahedrad. What an icosahedra,
I'm sorry, it's kind of like it's a sided object.
(38:22):
So it's got it's got polygons and hexagons making up inside. Yeah.
If you've played dungeons, right then you're quite familiar with that. Yes, yeah,
we almost succeeded. There we go. White people really do
have more trouble doing the high fi. All right. So
(38:46):
the it has, according to these observations, this odd structure
to the to it, and that along with the fact
that there is a huge depression on the surface of
it that's in the shape of a hexagon on plus
these this linear geometry along it's outside, so it's not round.
(39:06):
It's like it's made by math. It's a mathematical shape.
People say it's not really a planet. Well I think okay,
and again aliens advocate here, right, But I feel like
that is a good point. Things that are made by nature,
by and large are spherical in some way. They may
(39:28):
not be a perfect circle, they may be an oval.
They're around, they have rounded shapes because that's what nature
or the universe or the laws of physics due to
things is they make things kind of a sphere because
everything gets gloamed together in kind of a sphere, not
with these like weird flat planes flat planes on them.
(39:51):
And I feel like that's a I mean again, that's
not typical planet moon formation. Yeah, and it's it's okay,
So maybe it's pictures. Maybe we're totally in I hear it.
Maybe the pictures are like reflecting something weird or whatever.
But that's weird. If it's true that that's how that
moon is shaped, that's weird. It's a little odd. And
(40:13):
I've been looking at these pictures again, like while we're
doing this, and there are a lot of pictures of
the spheres that have like weird kind of angular side
a little bit to them. They're not actually nice and
smooth and round. Yeah, but I've gotta say, I've looked
at pictures of the oppotus and it doesn't look to
me like a D twenty. It looks like it's pretty
much spherical except for them. Yeah. It's it's in key
(40:36):
photographs that people point out that hey, this isn't actually
around object, and that's that's you're finding the photo that
you're looking for is kind of what everybody else says, Oh,
that's what you're looking for, And I wonder you're referencing
that one. But I can see how you would say
that because most of the things that you see it
doesn't actually look like it's got flat edges to us.
(40:58):
It looks kind of spherical to me, but with a weird,
funny ridge around it, and I think it's personally. I
think it's something to do with the ridge that makes
it weird. But I don't know. Okay, well, let's just
say that we're just gonna run with this that it's
a D twenty is actually what this moon is. Okay, well,
then what's that mean. If it's a D twenty and
(41:20):
it's not naturally occurring, then that splits the debate in
half as to what that means for Yapetus. Actually, it
doesn't split into two, it's splits it into three. I
apologize for that. Uh. Some people say that it was
a death star type plant for some species that's no
(41:43):
longer around. In other words, they were gonna use it
to as a weapon of some sort and then either
won the war, lost the war, were wiped out by
the war. I don't know what but they're they're not
around anymore, and so it drifted until it was finally
caught by Saturday and now it's just in Saturday's orbit. Yeah,
you know what happened is they we're going to come
(42:04):
to Earth and kick our asses, and they came down
and we turned them onto things like pot and tobacco.
And I don't think this beyond a death star. What
else could it have been? Well, we have the theory
that it is a world sized arc. I kind of
(42:24):
like the theory, kind of like it too. This is
saying that it was used by some other species to
carry the seeds of life across the galaxy until it
found the inappropriate planet, and then until it found a
Goldilocks planet, found a Goldilocks planet, and then it sent
down all the biological material that was needed and that
(42:47):
was carried in the spheres. So the spheres hit, they
release everything and then it's like, well, my job's done
and it just hangs out And isn't it worth mentioning that?
Like right like within in that entry of these rocks
being dated, this is when we have an explosion of life.
(43:08):
I'm sorry, within a reason seventy years within within and
two years but within, like on a global timeline, in
a very small fragment of time, Suddenly around that that
Precambrian area is where things're absolutely correct. I feel like
(43:33):
there's something worth it. Yeah. The only problem I have
with that there is that these things were containers of life,
then shouldn't they be popped open? No? Because didn't we
just talk about this. We talked about this in the
Spanish flu episode. Is that true? And that like if
it had a frozen shell of seeds around it, right,
(43:54):
it was frozen and it entered the atmosphere and everything
kind of melted and everything fell to the earth and
then everything No, it could be No, I know where
you're going here, And I remember part of that where
part of it was pulled away and not all of
it was burned up. And I think basically what it
means is the sphere is kind of the rubbery, squishy
inside part of your golf ball, and the outside of
(44:16):
the golf ball is what carried all the seeds of life.
I don't know. I don't like the theory kind of
a lot. I knew you like this, you did. I
knew you would and again and you know to like
not to go on a tirade here, But I'm kind
of a little bit. Yeah, I just think that like
it's a big mystery of our history of our planet
(44:37):
that like there was nothing for a really long time
and then suddenly there was kind of everything. Well, yeah,
the major theory is that is that most of the
water that we have and probably life also is brought
by comets. Right, But so, like, what's so different between
saying like it was comets and it was these tiny
little spheres A sphere is honest. Yeah. The other thing
that probably had with that is that they should be
(44:59):
we should be ideum everywhere on the planet, but we
are aren't. We We're finding similar rocks, similar rocks in
other places, but but they're kind of concentrated places Like
that doesn't really kill the theory entirely, but I would
think that they would be found pretty much everywhere, and
they're not found. Okay, Well, if I'm if I'm going
to stand up and defend this, then you also have
to remember that what happens when there's geologic upheaval and
(45:24):
let's say they're all over and then volcanoes happen and things,
you know, and flood flood so much, but plate tectonic
so plates are getting eaten up and that material is
getting pulled down and melted down. I mean, there's a
lot of geological reasons why we might not find it everywhere.
I don't know, but you know, I'm gonna offend it.
(45:46):
I can. I can look at it from that perspective,
and then we have just one more theory on Well,
this is one more piece of if the Moon is
not real or if it's not a natural formation, And
this one's pretty awesome. It is a it's a renovated planet,
(46:08):
and it was a hotel planet, and the hotel planet
was drug to Saturn so that the residents are the
people staying at that hotel planet could see the beautiful
rings of Saturn. And then eventually the hotel went out
of business and they just left it there there. So
now no, But would you say it's a renovated planet,
do you mean it's an artificial structure or it's just
(46:30):
a planet that somebody drugged there. I'm not saying either,
because I've seen both directions where some say they took
this planet, they shaved it down, they made it into
shape that they needed, and then they drug it there.
And then I've seen some that say, oh no, it's
it's completely a construct. My and and my big argument
on that, right, even though I am the alien advocate, right,
(46:51):
is that if there were that many species that intelligent
to create something that came to our solar system, they
would have visited us by now. They would have made
their presence known to us by now because we have
been no, we have been sending please out to the
universe for so long in radio waves and other waves,
(47:11):
right saying hey, we're intelligent, come pay attention to us.
But if you went out of business before the you know,
before we had algae on this planet and we're a backwater,
this backwater solar system, and then it fails. There are
urban explorers in on our planet. There's like so rampant
(47:34):
that like people go to like Chernobyl for instance, just
to like take pictures how awesome it is. I just
find I would find it so hard to believe that,
Like if there were this alien race and they're like, hey,
there's this derelict, you know, hotel that had this awesome
view in this backwater place that like nobody really goes to,
that nobody would be like, hey, let's go there and
(47:55):
then be like, oh, weird, there's this radio they know
coming from this that they might have just hung out
there for a while. And then and then they when
they detected signs of intelligent life on on on the
planet Earth, they decided to vacate. Maybe. I don't know,
I mean, I just I just think that, you know,
if there were alien species out there that had put
(48:16):
a hotel that close to us that recently, I mean, like,
how do you know as a hotel and not say
like a brothel, big some big leaps of you know. Yeah.
That having been said, that is the end of the
(48:37):
theories as to why these fears are what they are.
We've got natural formations. We've got that they were the
remnants of some form of life on this planet before us.
We've got the uh smoon of Saturn theory. There's there's
all kinds of stuff going on here. Oh and meteorites.
(48:58):
Can't forget about meteoritest not And I mean these are
probably the top five. I found a lot of more
sidebar threads that go into some theories as to what
these are, but again, it just would take so long
to just go through all of them. But that's about
like alien pokemon pieces or something like that. I think
(49:21):
that would be the remnants of a prior civilization. They
were children's toys, they were happy meal toys. They were
they were all dumped in one area. That's that's what
it was. It was the Earth as the ocean of
a different alien race just come here and dump their
garbage off. So what do you what do you guys,
I mean, what's your what's your preferred theory here on
(49:41):
this one? Well, I can't really, I I can't choose
one over the other. I mean, they're all equally believable.
Not not really. I'll go with I'll go with the
geologists who say that this is natural concretion formations. That
seems pretty blatantly obvious. And Christ, you know, it might
be that once again that you know, Haliburton, a big
(50:04):
tobacco successfully pulled the wool over my eyes. But you
but it seems like with the facts that our fingertips
so far, and that looks like the most plausible theory
because I feel obligated to provide. Yeah, I feel again,
I'm gonna want again once again, aliens advocate. I think
(50:24):
it's the arc theory. I like that theory. I mean,
I know that you put it in there because you
knew that I would like it. It's a fun theory,
it's a good I like. I mean, you know, and
again I think that like one of the big mysteries
that we are always trying to solve as human beings
is where did we come from? Right? Because I think
there's this like innate feeling that like, well, we couldn't
have been a product of billions of years of evolution
(50:48):
and everybody, you know, of course, everybody says like, yeah, no,
we were revolution It's fine, but there's always that feeling
of like, but there must be something a little bit
more right, like there's something like a little extra there
about us. And I feel like this is a great
kind of a little something extra about us. So we
were so alien? Yeah, they dropped a bunch of microbes
(51:09):
on the planet and next thing, you know, here's the thing. Uh,
they're kind of like pot growers, you know, illegal pot
growers that go to the national forest and drop a
bunch of seeds. Maybe that thing, maybe that's why we
haven't been visited. Well what I've been harvested yet they're
going to come back for the harvest, I would say, everybody,
(51:30):
all of our listeners by guns. What do you think, Steve, I,
if I have to choose, I'm gonna go with natural formations,
although I do I could also see meteorites being a
plausible one, but after that it just it gets too
far from me. Well, and again, you know, this is
one of those quintessential like out of place artifacts, right,
(51:53):
and that I could almost see natural formation, but for
a few details. I could all will see this, but
for a few details. So I think that's, you know,
again one of the that's what makes it an unsolved mystery. Yeah, yeah,
that's that's the difficulty with this. Yeah, well, but we're
not about unsolved mysteries. We're about solving ulster wrong and
(52:16):
not to anybody. Well, if you want to take a
look at the image or two of these fears, or
you want to take go ahead and follow some of
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thinking Sideways podcast at gmail dot com. Okay, well, that, uh,
that having been said is all that we've got on
this one. So it's it's still rolling around. But I
(53:44):
still don't have an answer to it. Now. I think
we solved it, but I don't want to say if
if you, if you are a clerk store, if you
are a clerk storp sphere, please call practice. We want
to hear your story. I guess that's the that's the thing,
right is we didn't think about fossils. No, it could
(54:06):
have been animal droppings. It was aliens. Okay, it could
have been alien droppings. Right, it's time to go, guys.
It was aliens. Bye bye, aliens.
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