December 10, 2018 • 10 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, guys, Devin from Thinking Sideways here, You remember Thinking Sideways,
your favorite podcast that is no more Anyway, we've missed
you a lot um not a whole lot to announce yet,
but some really exciting things coming down the pipeline in
the new year, including some really awesome content on this feed,
so make sure you stay subscribed. In the meantime, I
(00:23):
wanted to give you a little preview of an episode
created by our friends over at Generation Why you know
Justin and Aaron. If you don't know Justin and Erin,
I don't know what you've been doing with your lives.
If you don't already know about Generation Why. Justin and
Aaron are good friends who have gone through hundreds of
unsolved murders, conspiracy theories, and other mysteries on their weekly podcasts,
so you know the kind of content that you weirdoes love.
(00:45):
If you're not already a subscriber, you should definitely definitely
check it out. If you went to Crime Con, you
probably got to meet Justin and Erin in person, just
like you got to meet us in person. Rather than
me just telling you about the show, I wanted to
give you opportunity to listen to a short preview from
their episode on The Menendez Brothers. I hope you will
enjoy it. I know you will enjoy it, So go
(01:09):
ahead and take a listen, and I hope you guys
have a happy holidays. How are you doing tonight, Aaron.
(01:53):
I'm doing good. Justin How are you? I'm doing all right.
Tonight's case, we're looking at Beverly Hills, California. It's a
very nice area. If you haven't been August. This is
before we've heard a term called affluenza before O J. Simpson.
(02:18):
This is probably been up in our top ten most
requested cases. I think maybe top five. I don't know
what are we talking about tonight, Aaron. The Menendez brothers case,
which involved the slangs of Jose and Kitty Menendez, which
were the parents of Lyle and Eric Menendez. Eric was
(02:40):
eighteen years old at the time and Lyle was twenty one.
The Menendez estate was valued at more than fourteen million dollars.
On this night, Lyle and Eric, armed with shotguns, enter
their parents home. They point their weapons at their parents,
who are sitting on the couch watching a James Bond movie,
(03:03):
and they began to shoot their parents with these pump
action shotguns. Yeah, twelve gage shotguns. It is said that
Jose didn't even know this happened. He died immediately. Now,
their mother, Kitty, she actually jumped up and tried to
(03:23):
run away after the initial volley of blasts coming at them.
She was injured, but she tried to escape, and we
know this because there was blood in the tread of
her sneakers. So Lyle and Eric had to reload. I
think they had to go back out to their car
(03:44):
and grab more ammo and reload. They didn't have extra
shotgun shells on them, so they had to go back
out to the car and get more to finish off
their mother, right, And I believe Eric handed the ammunition
to his brother Lyle, who loaded the shotgun and then
proceeded to go inside and finished off his own mother.
(04:08):
So this isn't really a heat of the moment type deal.
This isn't a break This is they had shotguns and
they went in and they slaughtered their parents. So after
they shoot their parents, they end up calling and you
(04:30):
can find this phone call. It's readily available pretty much
anywhere in any documentary about this uh this case, and
they tell the dispatchers that they have come home to
find their parents have been murdered. Yeah, they had said
they had gone out to the movies and then, as
(04:53):
you said, they'd come home and found their parents murdered.
So what movie did they say they went out and saw. Well,
they had planned to go see Batman, but it was
sold out. I mean, I don't know if you remember
at the time, but that movie was huge when it
came out. It was Tim Burton's Batman. This was so
they went to another movie, which was a James Bond
film titled License to Kill. We know they're lying to dispatchers.
(05:19):
They're screaming and yelling and playing off that they found
their parents. And it's just ironic that they would say that, oh,
we went to a Bond movie when that just happens
to be the same movie. That not the same movie,
but another James Bond movie that their parents are watching.
Just a little connection there. I know you're a big
(05:40):
Bond movie fan. So we know that they planned to
kill their parents, but at the time when police showed up,
they didn't admit to killing their parents. No, they stick
to their story that they find their parents when they
came home. They were at this James Bond movie, and
they were at this movie. And they even go so
(06:03):
far as to insinuate that it might be a mob
hit because of some of the wounds to their parents,
which includes shooting them in the kneecap, and I guess
that's a technique that it's claimed mobsters will use cap them.
(06:23):
The police truly believe that what they're seeing is a
cold blooded murder, and they believe these two very affluent,
rich Everyone calls them the boys and kids, but they're adults.
What the police won't do is do a preemptive gunshot
(06:48):
residue test on either one of their hands. They won't
search their cars, which that's where they put the shotguns
after they murdered their parents, was in the trunk of
their cars. They actually ended up ditching those shotguns near
Mulholland Drive, and they did that before they went to
buy tickets at the movie theater. This is to try
(07:10):
to establish their alibi of why they weren't home at
the time of the murder. So this is around ten
o'clock at night. All we can say is the investigators
did talk to them for hours, but you know, there's
so much they missed and I think it's because sometimes
and I'm sure anybody can make mistakes, but there was
(07:32):
a lot of assuming going on. They assumed that these
sons were very distraught by the murders of their parents,
and that they weren't likely to be involved. And I
don't know if them being part of a wealthy family
had something to do with that. I kind of want
to say yes. I think that's a huge factor. This
is Beverly Hills. They're living in a mansion with tennis
(07:55):
courts out back. You change this situation, you put this
murder anywhere else, I think. I think the police are
going to be questioning the the guys whoever finds the victims,
and probably testing their hands. But who knows. The investigators
(08:16):
spoke with neighbors and they had reported hearing something around
ten pm bangs, but they thought it was just kids
playing with fireworks or something. But that's about the time
that this couple was murdered. They probably don't know what
gunfire sounds like. Jose had been shot five or six
(08:38):
times with shotguns, and his wife, Kitty had been shot
about ten times. Jose's unrecognizable. Uh, they pretty much blew
his head off. Kitty similar situation. It's gruesome. Yeah, kitty
was shot in the face, and so you look at
(08:58):
this crime and you think this is a crime of
hatred or of payback. So when Lyle called the police,
he called about PM and as we already said, he
sounded really upset. In fact, they had trouble understanding him
because he was so upset on the phone. And we've
talked before about nine one one calls and how people
(09:20):
sound and this and that. But this is a distraught
person on the phone. I mean, if someone just played
that call and didn't give me any other information, it
sounds serious, it sounds legit, and it's hard to determine
anything off a nine one one call. Anyone that says, oh,
I can tell they're lying. It's like, okay, whatever. In
(09:42):
this case, we know the truth going in, so it's
easy to dismantle his call. But he's a good actor.
And guess what, shooting your parents or killing somebody is
a very high stress situation, and you can use that
two in fluence. You're heightened, you know, state and cry
(10:05):
and and scream and yell, and its sounds and looks
legit because you are distraught because you've just done something
that's terrible. There were a couple of detectives assigned to
this case. Unfortunately for them, this whole mob hit angle
didn't really work. They couldn't find any way to establish
(10:26):
that there was a connection here other than it does
look like it could have been a mob hit. That
was just a preview. To listen to the rest of
this episode, subscribe to Generation Why on Apple Podcasts Today.
Hey, guys, Devin from Thinking Sideways here, You remember Thinking Sideways,
your favorite podcast that is no more Anyway, we've missed
you a lot um not a whole lot to announce yet,
but some really exciting things coming down the pipeline in
the new year, including some really awesome content on this feed,
so make sure you stay subscribed. In the meantime, I
(00:23):
wanted to give you a little preview of an episode
created by our friends over at Generation Why you know
Justin and Aaron. If you don't know Justin and Erin,
I don't know what you've been doing with your lives.
If you don't already know about Generation Why. Justin and
Aaron are good friends who have gone through hundreds of
unsolved murders, conspiracy theories, and other mysteries on their weekly podcasts,
so you know the kind of content that you weirdoes love.
(00:45):
If you're not already a subscriber, you should definitely definitely
check it out. If you went to Crime Con, you
probably got to meet Justin and Erin in person, just
like you got to meet us in person. Rather than
me just telling you about the show, I wanted to
give you opportunity to listen to a short preview from
their episode on The Menendez Brothers. I hope you will
enjoy it. I know you will enjoy it, So go
(01:09):
ahead and take a listen, and I hope you guys
have a happy holidays. How are you doing tonight, Aaron.
(01:53):
I'm doing good. Justin How are you? I'm doing all right.
Tonight's case, we're looking at Beverly Hills, California. It's a
very nice area. If you haven't been August. This is
before we've heard a term called affluenza before O J. Simpson.
(02:18):
This is probably been up in our top ten most
requested cases. I think maybe top five. I don't know
what are we talking about tonight, Aaron. The Menendez brothers case,
which involved the slangs of Jose and Kitty Menendez, which
were the parents of Lyle and Eric Menendez. Eric was
(02:40):
eighteen years old at the time and Lyle was twenty one.
The Menendez estate was valued at more than fourteen million dollars.
On this night, Lyle and Eric, armed with shotguns, enter
their parents home. They point their weapons at their parents,
who are sitting on the couch watching a James Bond movie,
(03:03):
and they began to shoot their parents with these pump
action shotguns. Yeah, twelve gage shotguns. It is said that
Jose didn't even know this happened. He died immediately. Now,
their mother, Kitty, she actually jumped up and tried to
(03:23):
run away after the initial volley of blasts coming at them.
She was injured, but she tried to escape, and we
know this because there was blood in the tread of
her sneakers. So Lyle and Eric had to reload. I
think they had to go back out to their car
(03:44):
and grab more ammo and reload. They didn't have extra
shotgun shells on them, so they had to go back
out to the car and get more to finish off
their mother, right, And I believe Eric handed the ammunition
to his brother Lyle, who loaded the shotgun and then
proceeded to go inside and finished off his own mother.
(04:08):
So this isn't really a heat of the moment type deal.
This isn't a break This is they had shotguns and
they went in and they slaughtered their parents. So after
they shoot their parents, they end up calling and you
(04:30):
can find this phone call. It's readily available pretty much
anywhere in any documentary about this uh this case, and
they tell the dispatchers that they have come home to
find their parents have been murdered. Yeah, they had said
they had gone out to the movies and then, as
(04:53):
you said, they'd come home and found their parents murdered.
So what movie did they say they went out and saw. Well,
they had planned to go see Batman, but it was
sold out. I mean, I don't know if you remember
at the time, but that movie was huge when it
came out. It was Tim Burton's Batman. This was so
they went to another movie, which was a James Bond
film titled License to Kill. We know they're lying to dispatchers.
(05:19):
They're screaming and yelling and playing off that they found
their parents. And it's just ironic that they would say that, oh,
we went to a Bond movie when that just happens
to be the same movie. That not the same movie,
but another James Bond movie that their parents are watching.
Just a little connection there. I know you're a big
(05:40):
Bond movie fan. So we know that they planned to
kill their parents, but at the time when police showed up,
they didn't admit to killing their parents. No, they stick
to their story that they find their parents when they
came home. They were at this James Bond movie, and
they were at this movie. And they even go so
(06:03):
far as to insinuate that it might be a mob
hit because of some of the wounds to their parents,
which includes shooting them in the kneecap, and I guess
that's a technique that it's claimed mobsters will use cap them.
(06:23):
The police truly believe that what they're seeing is a
cold blooded murder, and they believe these two very affluent,
rich Everyone calls them the boys and kids, but they're adults.
What the police won't do is do a preemptive gunshot
(06:48):
residue test on either one of their hands. They won't
search their cars, which that's where they put the shotguns
after they murdered their parents, was in the trunk of
their cars. They actually ended up ditching those shotguns near
Mulholland Drive, and they did that before they went to
buy tickets at the movie theater. This is to try
(07:10):
to establish their alibi of why they weren't home at
the time of the murder. So this is around ten
o'clock at night. All we can say is the investigators
did talk to them for hours, but you know, there's
so much they missed and I think it's because sometimes
and I'm sure anybody can make mistakes, but there was
(07:32):
a lot of assuming going on. They assumed that these
sons were very distraught by the murders of their parents,
and that they weren't likely to be involved. And I
don't know if them being part of a wealthy family
had something to do with that. I kind of want
to say yes. I think that's a huge factor. This
is Beverly Hills. They're living in a mansion with tennis
(07:55):
courts out back. You change this situation, you put this
murder anywhere else, I think. I think the police are
going to be questioning the the guys whoever finds the victims,
and probably testing their hands. But who knows. The investigators
(08:16):
spoke with neighbors and they had reported hearing something around
ten pm bangs, but they thought it was just kids
playing with fireworks or something. But that's about the time
that this couple was murdered. They probably don't know what
gunfire sounds like. Jose had been shot five or six
(08:38):
times with shotguns, and his wife, Kitty had been shot
about ten times. Jose's unrecognizable. Uh, they pretty much blew
his head off. Kitty similar situation. It's gruesome. Yeah, kitty
was shot in the face, and so you look at
(08:58):
this crime and you think this is a crime of
hatred or of payback. So when Lyle called the police,
he called about PM and as we already said, he
sounded really upset. In fact, they had trouble understanding him
because he was so upset on the phone. And we've
talked before about nine one one calls and how people
(09:20):
sound and this and that. But this is a distraught
person on the phone. I mean, if someone just played
that call and didn't give me any other information, it
sounds serious, it sounds legit, and it's hard to determine
anything off a nine one one call. Anyone that says, oh,
I can tell they're lying. It's like, okay, whatever. In
(09:42):
this case, we know the truth going in, so it's
easy to dismantle his call. But he's a good actor.
And guess what, shooting your parents or killing somebody is
a very high stress situation, and you can use that
two in fluence. You're heightened, you know, state and cry
(10:05):
and and scream and yell, and its sounds and looks
legit because you are distraught because you've just done something
that's terrible. There were a couple of detectives assigned to
this case. Unfortunately for them, this whole mob hit angle
didn't really work. They couldn't find any way to establish
(10:26):
that there was a connection here other than it does
look like it could have been a mob hit. That
was just a preview. To listen to the rest of
this episode, subscribe to Generation Why on Apple Podcasts Today.
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