Thinking Sideways: Rendlesham Forest Incident

In December 1980 at RAF airbase Woodbridge an unidentified craft was spotted, on two different nights, by the US Airmen stationed there. The official reports indicate that nothing our of the ordinary actually happened while the witnesses advocate that something otherworldly was there. As the stories evolves it gets harder and harder to tell if aliens visited the UK in 1980 or if a bunch of green Airmen misinterpreted what they saw.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Thinking Sideways. I don't you never know stories of things
we simply don't know the answer too. Well. Hey there,
and welcome to Thinking Sideways the podcast. I'm Steve, as always,

(00:26):
joined by my lovely co host Joe and Devin. He
was obviously talking about Devin, not Joe. Joe is the
lovely one man, you know. I mean you're not bad looking.
I mean, don't take it too personally. Yeah, you're just
not as pretty as me. It's that really went off

(00:47):
the rails fast. Ye okay, oak. Well, today, as always,
we have another mystery to look into, and unfortunately, Joe,
we are not going to solve this. I'm pretty positive
right off the top. You do think so, I don't
think so well, I don't know. I think we will. Well,
what we're gonna talk about is we're going to talk

(01:07):
about the Randelshom Forrest incident. Randelshom Forrest incident. No, you're
not saying right what I am not doing an accent?
Yeah you have to you have to do your best
English accent. My accents are herod, you know, they always
they always end up sounding Irish or Asian and it's awesome. No,
I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it not doing it? Okay. Well,

(01:28):
before we get into this episode, I do want to
send out a thanks to Ali who sent this in.
And he sent this in months ago and I kind
of called DIBs on it. But this is one of
those stories that I have to sit on for a
long time because there's a lot of conflicting information. It's
an unsolved mystery egg being a being a UFO story.

(01:53):
It's not just conflicting information, but also a lot of
a lot of stuff. There's a lot of fantastic retelling,
and so it was it took me a long time
to kind of boil things down and and figure it out.
But it's a great story, and I'm really glad I
got sent in because I really enjoyed it once I
got my head buried in and really started digging into it.

(02:14):
In Ostrich got it. Wow, what okay? Well, our story
takes place in England, as Devon briefly alluded to there
in the beginning with her request of my terrible accents,
and it's in an area called the Rendals from Forest,
which is on the east coast of England. It's I

(02:36):
believe about sixty miles south of London, so it's kind
of in that region. Now, before we get into the story,
there's a couple of details that are important to know,
which is this happened in nine eight and since nineteen
forty one, the United States Air Force has had an

(02:56):
agreement with the British government UH and they maintain air
bases in the UK. The number of air bases have fluctuated,
but they've been going down for like thirty years. But
at the time, the U. S. Air Force was using
what they referred to as the Twin Bases, and those
were bent Waters and Woodbridge and they're about two miles apart.

(03:21):
On the night of December so Christmas, which is in
a couple of days for everybody listening to this, if
you listen to it first comes out, lights were reported
in the area of Reynoldshom and other places in the country.
There were streaking lights in the sky, well there were

(03:44):
people didn't know exactly what they were at first, but
they were streaking lights that morning the December at about
three o'clock in the morning. And if you do the
research on this, this is gets a little confusing because
you'll see the first incident reported as the t and

(04:06):
and we'll get into why that is here shortly, but
strange lights were reported by the security patrols at the
east gate of the R. A. F. Woodbridge, which is
the Royal Air Force Base. Evidently these lights were descending
into Rentalsom Forest and at first the airman thought that

(04:26):
it was a down airplane, but after they went to
investigate it, they saw, and this is according to the
official documents, a strange glowing object that was metallic in
appearance with orange colored lights. And as they approached the object,
it moved through the trees and the animals quote and

(04:48):
this is a quote, the animals in the nearby farm
went into a frenzy. So this is at three am.
They go to check this out. At four o'clock in
the morning. The effect police are called in and there
the local jurisdiction and they reported that the only light
that they saw in the area was from the Orford

(05:09):
Nest Lighthouse, which is five miles away. It's actually right
on the coast obviously because the lighthouse and being a lighthouse,
it's light is meant to be seen from far far away. Correct,
very true in the morning, so this is in the
daylight hours of the December. These airmen returned to the

(05:30):
clearing where they had seen the lights, and they find
these three small impressions that are in kind of a
triangular pattern on the ground. They also reported that there
were burn marks on the trees and that there were
broken branches from those trees on the ground. What they

(05:51):
did is they took plaster casts of these impressions that
they found on Yeah it makes sense, Hey, this is
a weird hole in the Let's just take a cast
of the impressions. By the way, they're very shallow, very
very shallow. As a matter of fact, at like ten
thirty that morning, the local police came out again, uh,

(06:14):
to see these supposed impressions in the ground, and they
were like, uh, yeah, that's totally made by a digging animal. Yeah,
the rabbitis They thought it was like a rabbit or
something was digging in the ground. So this happens, and
then the next day, so now we move forward to
the December and this goes between Thember. A group of

(06:40):
servicemen and their commanding officer, whose name is Lieutenant Colonel
Charles Halt. They returned to the site and they attempt
to figure out what's going on because evidently the lights
had come back, and so they go out to check
it out. These lights were slightly different than the guy
saw the first night, because they were not only orange,

(07:03):
there were white and blue lights as well. Did the
guys who were out that first night go out the
second night too? You know, I cannot find any description
that says so the guys that went out on the
first night they are, oh gosh, what's their names? It is, uh,
Peniston and Burrows. I can't. I find all kinds of

(07:27):
information about Peniston and Burrows on the first night. I
find nothing about them the second night, So I can't say.
But Halt went out with a whole troop of guys,
so they may have been there, but I can't corroborate that. Okay,
you would think the Peniston at least would have been there.
You would think that, hey, I saw this before. You
want me to go with you and see if it's

(07:48):
the same thing. Yeah, because of what he reports he saw,
which we'll talk about a little later, I'm sure. Yeah,
you think you'd be interested in going on seeing it again.
You would totally think so. At this point, they're out there,
and this is where the confusion about the dates comes from.
And this is all Lieutenant Colonel Halt's fault. He evidently
didn't write his report for two weeks, so when he

(08:13):
wrote the actual official report that he turned in, people
speculate that he got the dates wrong. So he said
that the first incident happened on the twenty seven and
not the six, So he his dates. So that's why
when you read it and I I see these dates
mixed up all over the place. When I was researching this,
some would say it started with seven. Others would say

(08:35):
started on the twenty six, So it goes back and forth.
What what Halt did those when he went out into
the woods and he took all these guys with him,
he also took a bunch of equipment with him. Part
of that equipment was radiation detectors and big floodlights. I
believe they're referred to as light halls, which I'm guessing

(08:56):
from what I've seen. And this is the hard part.
If any buddy goes out and looks us up on
the internet, you're gonna find a bunch of videos. One
of those videos is from Unsolved Mysteries, and they show
these giant generator units, but they also make a lot
of claims. So I don't know exactly what kind of
lighting equipment they took, but they did take big lights

(09:18):
supposedly with them to kind of illuminate the area to
see where they were going. Their radiation detectors when they
were out there picked up radiation in those depressions that
they had spotted on the morning of the six and
they also found radiation on the trees that were around
those depressions. So what Halt did, and this is a

(09:41):
little unprecedented but actually great for this case, is he
took with him a cassette recorder that a micro cassette
recorder that he was talking into the whole time, recording
all of the conversations. So, Okay, I'm sorry, but he
got the dates wrong when he wrote a report two
weeks later. Evidently he didn't say the dates. I don't

(10:03):
I don't remember him saying the dates. But yeah, he
screwed it up. Maybe he just didn't listen to the tape.
I don't know how he bungled this the date, but
he did somehow he did. The great thing is that
tape is out there and anybody can listen to it.
It's on YouTube, you can, and it's transcribed, so you
can find that I've listened to some of it. It's
it's a bunch of dudes walk into the woods talking,

(10:25):
so it's it's kind of hard to follow. But he
did that, which is really great. But was there anything
significant that they say, like, well, they they they talk
and they describe as they're seeing these lights, which is
interesting and it actually comes up when we get into
some of the descriptions and the theories as to what
they might have been seeing. So it actually gives that

(10:47):
one clue that we normally don't get when somebody says
I saw this thing, this guy and it did this.
You can actually hear them talking about it and saying,
I see it now, I see it now, there it
is there. It goes that kind of stuff. They did
have a bunch of equipment problems when they were out there, though,
the light als, those big generators on wheels, the floodlights,

(11:08):
those things kept malfunctioning and I don't know how many
they took, but they died. And they were having all
kinds of issues with their radios. And we're getting tons
of interference and static, well we get interference on work
radios all the time, totally normal. A lot of it
is probably, yeah. Yeah. Where Halt eventually takes his men

(11:32):
leads him to the edge of the forest, on the
eastern edge of the forest, and in the tape you
can hear him talk about I can see it, and
I see a farmhouse below us, and there's the flashing light.
So he kind of gives some descriptions of where he's
going as in the tapes. So they they're on the
edge of the forest, so they eventually they eventually end

(11:56):
up on the edge of the woods. Yes, so the
light that he sees the is not in the forest,
it's off in the distance or something. That's one of
the problems with this story is you hear that the
light is traveling around and through the trees just up ahead,
and you hear the light is off in the far
distance and moving around through the trees. So it's it's

(12:18):
an issue, very big issue with this particular story, and
I don't know what the correct answer is. Halt and
his men follow the light, and they follow the light
for about an hour, at which point they say that
it shot up into the sky, it was flying around,
it was sending lights to the ground, and then it

(12:41):
took off and just zipped away. Why. Yeah, so this
and this was all on his official report. Well that's
the great thing. They're they're all in the military, so
they got to write reports. So they all reported this,
And I haven't read his report. Where's Honestly, I listened
to parts of his tape and I listened to some

(13:03):
of his testimony that he's given over the years. He
he says that it went up into the sky. He
says they were following it. He lists off during the
On the tape, you can hear him talking about the
radiation and calling out the levels that they're picking up,
which are really small levels of radiation, but he calls
these things out. So he's calling out all this stuff

(13:25):
as he's going along. But I don't know exactly where
he ended up, and I don't know exactly what was
in his report, but he's he supposes is supposed to
have put all this in the reports. That's the bare
bones version of the story. This as any potential UFO story.

(13:45):
We talked about this a little bit in the beginning,
grows and changes end. Yeah, that's why I often stare
away from UFO stories because they're just that's for the
And I sat on this so long as I had
to work through all these de variants of the story. Um.

(14:06):
I mean, these guys, they seemed to truly believe that
they saw some kind of craft of unknown origin. And
the Ministry of Defense, the m o D or the
MOD as people refer to it, got involved because it
was on British soil. Well, technically the jurisdiction of the U. S.

(14:28):
Air Force ended at the gates of the base, so
when they were out in the woods they couldn't take
guns or anything like that because they were on UK soil.
So when all this happened, technically they were on UK soil,
not American soil. So they're the ones who have the
file about the incident, and the MOD has a file

(14:49):
on the incident, and people have pointed to the fact
that the MOD wouldn't disclose what was in that file
as proof that something happened and tell us what happened.
It's got to be real because you recorded it. And
of course, you know, the man just said whatever. There
are so many reasons to like not make that stuff public.

(15:12):
I just don't know, you know, it might just be
spite or just for the fun of it. You know,
if you got this file, you let them know there's
a file. It's a fat little file, but we're not
gonna let you see it and then go crazy, you know. Yeah. Man.
The other part is that the MD works at the
British business and government. Mostly. The British government works at

(15:35):
a completely different pace than what we're used to hear
in the States. Our our government, by no means moves fast.
But the brids move much slower than we do, and
so that exasperate. It's because they put a very old
woman in charge of it. They were like, Okay, your majesty,
it's time to sign a thing. Okay, after my tea,

(15:57):
I will do the dogs by this very expensive glove. Yes,
it's very cute. Okay, what was I supposed to do?
Oh I'll do it tomorrow. I'm so sorry. Oh my god,
I'm so sorry our British listeners, Yes, we we apologize. Sorry,
I apologize to everybody. Yeah. Well, the thing about this

(16:23):
what makes this story so interesting to me is twofold
one is, like I said just before, is how it's
evolved and grown, is all of these UFO based stories do.
And then what's even crazier to me is how the
stories of the individuals who were involved in it have
just continued to grow and expand, and I want to

(16:46):
go through two of those. I want to go through
what I consider one of the most fantastical versions of
this story that I found on the Net, and then
I want to go through some of the stuff that
is put out there by one of the men involved.
So the first that we're gonna start with is the net. Yeah, aliens, Yes, absolutely.

(17:11):
Remember we talked about the two guys that went out
on the first night. It was Peniston and Burrows. Okay,
according to this story, after they chased the object through
the forest, they were able to get up close with
it and they saw that it was a craft that
was triangular in shape, so basically a little pyramids. It's

(17:33):
that kind of shape. Yes, absolutely, They, according to this
saw small bodied, large headed being suspended from the bottom
of the craft by some kind of beam. So they
were underneath the car working on it. Yeah, they were
working on the craft and they didn't care that these

(17:54):
silly humans were standing around staring at them. They had
a killer bot in spaceship that's gonna like vaporize something.
More US airmen arrived and this is supposedly unofficially reported
that the people who ventured close to this craft encountered

(18:15):
strange and omalies. Sorry, I couldn't help myself. Those included
mind bending of a reality bending effects excuse me, time displacement,
and surreal atmosphere conditions. I'm experiencing that right now. I

(18:36):
don't even get that. That doesn't matter. Do you have
to get it? This craft supposedly appeared from a type
of low flying clouds low lying cloud? Did I say?
Flying right? A low lying cloud? And these same reports

(19:01):
say that senior men of the group were able to
approach and communicate with the aliens, but only the senior
members of the group. Well, aliens understand military hierarchy, of
course they understand. Hierarchy of all kinds is stuck up.
Aliens just stuck up. They don't want to talk to
a mirror enlisted man. Only colonels and lieutenants or lieutenant

(19:25):
colonels or you know, dogs, dogs, I don't know. The
dogs might be in charge. You don't know, true cat
might be in charge. You don't know. You know. That's
a great thing. Can can we diverge for a second?
An alien comes to this planet. I think we've had
this conversation. How do they know who's in charge. They
may be considering this planet just rife with bright, bright minds,

(19:49):
and they happen to be furry and sleep a lot
and have tails because they think the cats are the
most intelligent species on this planet. We don't know observed us.
They was noticed that the cats get you know, taken
care of, you know, the people we serve them. Yes, apparently, Yeah,
they must be in charge, right exactly. This is why

(20:10):
there's so many cat videos on the internet. It's the aliens. Okay, Well,
back to back to another version that I found, and
it says that the object that Peniston and Burrows saw
it was metallic in appearance and again triangular in shape.

(20:32):
It seems to be a constant in this story. It
is it is in this particular story. Yes, it was
about two to three meters across at the base, and
it illuminated the entire forest in white light and had
a pulsing red light at the top and a bank
or a series of blue lights on its bottom. A

(20:55):
cop car. It was basically got it. And yet another
version says that on the second night, so this is
the night that Halt and his men went out, a
unnamed female base security officer and her partner went out

(21:17):
to investigate the mysterious lights and they were following it
in their car when the craft shot a beam of
light at their vehicle, which de deactivated it. Now it's
it's alien. LoJack, totally shut that thing out. No, no,
you're just no fun. Come on. Actually, the there are

(21:39):
military has is working out a similar thing which is
directed and e m people's and so maybe that's what
it was. Of course, you know what I want to
know is today get a towed back to the base
like the mechanics accident mechanics look at it and determined
that the electronics have been fried. I I found nothing
else about that particular section, this last bit. I know

(22:06):
it's hard to believe, but on the internet us. Now
let's go to the version of the story that is
told by Penistin. Peniston and Burrows have both over time
expounded on their story, but I'm just going to focus
on one of them, just to try and keep this

(22:27):
as as close as possible, because otherwise this will sprawl
and just get out of hand. Hey, by the way,
sar a wiki for this Peniston guy page or now
there's no actual wiki page for him, but he's just
part of the Reynalshoan Forrest incident, WICKI in general, and

(22:47):
all the other articles that you'll find out there on
the net. Now again, just to back up, this is
his His full title at the time was Sergeant Jim Peniston.
And he said that it was a craft of unknown origin,
which is fair, which is fair. And he also he
says that in his report he wrote detailed notes about

(23:14):
the features of the craft, and he touched its surface
and it was warm, and that surface was covered in
kind of hieroglyphics. And now, like like, let's get this straight.
So I the way I read the story is he
had a pad and a pencil and on the spot

(23:35):
and they made detailed sketches and notes. And well, I
mean that I'm not concerned about that. I mean, like
a little like little pocket notebook and a pencil, like
you would have that if you were out on duty.
I have a notebook and a pencil in my purse
right now. I mean I'm concerned about like the convenience
of him having a note book. Yeah, I just he

(23:56):
just happens to have a notepad with him. I mean
that makes sense to me. I know plenty of people
who just carrying out paths with them, especially if you're
in uniform and you've got lots of pockets. He's supposedly
did these drawings and he turned them in with his report,
which is in the possession of the US Air Force.
Oh it's not the Brits. No, no, no, no, technically

(24:18):
he's still you a serviceman. He still reports to the US,
so they maintain all of it from him. Okay, okay, Well,
according to Peniston's version of it, as he and John Burrows,
that's the other guy went into the forest, and there's
a third airmen listed in his version by the name

(24:39):
of Edward Cabin sag. I hope that's how you say
it could be. Well, you know, it's actually it's really
easy because this guy disappears from the story from this
point forward, like you never here mentioned of him. God
farewell and unpronounce laugh. As they walk into the woods

(25:01):
to investigate the light that they're seeing, they saw a
nine foot by six ft triangular craft with swirling yellow
and blue lights hovering they say, two feet off the
ground approximately. Supposedly they could both feel static in the air.

(25:22):
That's not weird, not weird at all. No, I mean, like,
it's not the walk outside right now, I'm just saying there,
but but, but their radios were malfunctioning his version of
the events that might be related to it. And after
they observed the craft for about ten minutes, they decided

(25:47):
that it didn't pose any threat, and they decided to
approach it. They got close to it, and this is
where they could see those hieroglyphic symbols that were etched
into the exterior of the ship. And then at some
point not too long after that, the ship suddenly emitted
an explosion of light that knocked all of them off

(26:09):
their feet. I've seen that listed as anywhere from five
to ten minutes to forty five minutes. The time that
they were just chilling checking it out, copying notes about
it could have been anywhere from five minutes to forty
five Well, didn't they say earlier that like one of
the side effects of being near the craft was like
time distortion. So it's possible that like they didn't know

(26:32):
that is true. It's also I mean, like it's also
possible that, like I have a really horrible sense of time,
Like if you were, like, hey, how long were you standing?
I could not tell you. You You know, I could be like, well,
it wasn't a half an hour probably, but it might
have been. I don't know. I mean that they're yeah.
Peniston also claims to have seen triangular landing here on

(26:55):
the craft meets up with this thing where or when
they went in the woods in the morning and they
found those three that triangular shape set of impressions. But
I guess, like the question I would have is like
when did he report that? Like did he report that
before the halt incident where they saw those things? And
he was like, oh, that's weird because I saw landing

(27:16):
here that looked as like a day later, right, But
when did this, like when was that reported? Was that reported?
That was? It was in the initial reports. So because
remember they went out at about three o'clock in the morning,
the local cops come out at about four, and then
they go back out in the daylight morning hours, and
then the cops come out at ten thirty again to

(27:38):
check out this set. So this is all in that
first morning. Is that's when he wrote this report? Correct, Okay,
And this is from that report. It's not from him
like theater like, it's from what he has written and
said he saw because this is again, this is his story,
and what we're hearing now is the most evol version

(28:00):
of his Let's just remind that, right, because that you know,
for me, it's like, okay, so like he's recalling ten
years later what he quote unquote saw and then he
knows that they found these prints, and it's very convenient
to say, Okay, well, supposedly he was one of the
ones who found that first set of impressions. Sure, and
that's again fair but easy to just fold it one

(28:24):
tiny detail from something later into your story conveniently. Yes,
and I say that word in capitals. All of this
extra information from Peniston he recalled while under regression hypnosis

(28:46):
to makes sense, no, no reason to any that he
claims that the craft that he encountered was actually you're ready,
from our future and not extraterrestrial, So it was human
time travelers and not space aliens were Listen. Here's the

(29:11):
only thing I want to say is that, like, look
at the most evolved technology that we have, just look
at it. We don't make things in triangles, Okay, Like
we don't, so like, well, no, we're never going to
because triangles are dumb. We did back in the past
the alien did back in the past. But I digress.

(29:31):
I'm just saying we make tubes because tubes are aerodynamic,
that's what we do. We don't make triangles white. So
there might be some reason for making a pyramid shape craft. Maybe,
I guess maybe a project is you know, if you
make them out of it what was it special titanium
or whatever it was it was supposedly that pyramid underground

(29:52):
was made out of. Maybe they warp and bend the
atmosphere and you could make it in whatever sheep I guess.
Or maybe triangles are actually more conducive to ripping holes
in the space time continuum. I guess that's fair through
time that squares and tubes don't. That's why we're when
we don't build triangles. You're right, okay, fine, all right, fine,
they found out they were like, oh, actually triangles not

(30:14):
great for space travel, great for time travel. Here's the
problem that. Here's here's the big problem. Pattistan's reports from
the real the investigation that's been done. None of his
reports support any of this, of course, not sat He
didn't say he'd physically contacted the craft and burrows and

(30:37):
common sock or camon sag or however, you say that
guy's name, that other airman that was with them. Their
reports don't support this either. Now, I I will say
that Burrows, like I said before, his story has involved
evolved and it diverges from Peniston's. But they've both they've

(30:58):
both grown over time. Okay, so it's been some there's
been some flame wars between these guys about what they
say they didn't and didn't see. I just like to
to play Devil's advocate, not Devil's advocate Peniston's advocate. I guess, um,
you know, I think there's something to be said for
your want to like appear really normal, you know. I mean,

(31:20):
I think, especially if you're an airman and you've just
seen some weird stuff, like your report isn't necessarily going
to be like oh, and also they were time travelers,
and also there were lots of weird higher glyphs, you
are going to be like, I'm totally normal and totally
cool to keep serving. Don't worry about me, this is
cool in reality. Do I think that's what happened? No,
I don't actually, but that's an extremely valid point. And

(31:42):
you know why. Why is when you're a low ranking officer,
you write a report that you know your superiors are
going to read and not call you a nut job
and not kick you out and not get you in trouble.
Thank you. He is actually a known phenomenon in military structures.

(32:04):
But how when he recalled all this and he was
talking about the craft and how it was from the future,
did he ever say how he knew it was from
the future? No intuition, Yeah, there's there's nothing to explain
how he knew that. We don't know. They weren't aliens.
I think like that's part of it, right. It looked

(32:26):
totally human, but it was a technology that you've never
seen before, So therefore from the future. I guess so,
But so isn't he also the one that said that
there were people with tiny little bodies and huge heads. No, no,
that is that is the fantastical internet version that I found,
my favoritest one on the internet that had the great

(32:48):
illustrations of this triangular craft shooting a little starlight beams
out of it. It was also on a black background.
There's illustrations there was on this one. It was it
was a total photoshop job, but it wasn't like painted
on velvet velvet. But but just to clarify this guy's

(33:10):
version of story, he didn't actually see any creatures, any
human beings from his reports, I can't tell he somehow
knows that they're from the future, but it does I
can't get a clear bead on if he did or
did not see people. And this is the problem, is
that his story has changed over time, and it's evolved,

(33:34):
and details slip in and out of it. So it's
really you know, and and I'm using him. I feel
bad for kind of making him the whipping boy here,
because he's just one of the ones whose story has changed.
I mean, Burrows has evolved, Halt himself has gone on
record and made a lot and made some claims about

(33:56):
this whole incident. And so I mean, these things just
keep going. But but we're not done with Penistin. Unfortunately,
his story keeps going. Okay, So within three weeks of
their encounter with this craft, both Penistin and Burrows are

(34:17):
reportative and experienced difficulty walking and this was from an
inner ear and eye problems evidently. And Peniston's gums turned white.
No big deal, My gums are white all the time,
which which according to the article that I found this
particular bit in is a sign of heavy radiation exposure.

(34:42):
I will tell you right now. I don't know how
much time I spent trying to verify if heavy radiation
exposure would change your the color of your gums. I
found stuff saying well, yeah, if you're getting chemo and radiation,
your gums are going to be tender, but nothing said
they would turn white. Yeah. I think that if you've

(35:03):
gotten enough radiation at scums white, then he probably would
be dead. I was just gonna say, there's like very
limited research on intense radiation exposure because most of those
people just kind of die. You die from heavy radiation
poisoning typically. Okay, well, let's go to two days after
Burrows and Peniston encounter this craft. They get whisked away

(35:27):
to Langley by the c I A. That's not suspicious
at all. They were interrogated for days and they were
told to give written accounts of what they saw and experienced.
They then were given back those written accounts, and those

(35:49):
accounts were altered or sanitized, depending on how you want
to want to describe it, and then they were told
to memorize them and only tell those versions or else.
I also have come across some stuff that says that
while Peniston was at Langley he was given truth serum

(36:12):
and I can't back that up. Why not? But it does.
Here's the thing, Okay, let's just for a second, let's
go down the rabbit hole of the c I A
grabs these guys from a base in the UK, brings
him back home and interrogates him and pumps them full
of drugs to try and find out what they know. Okay, boy,

(36:35):
if you're full of those drugs and you're high z
a kite for days on end and you're being super interrogated,
your mind is gonna kind of go off kilter for
a bit, which to me is kind of an explanation
of why he's suddenly in regression therapy has these revelations.
I saw these bright lights and there was these people.

(36:57):
Well it was because there was some dude with a
lamp shining in your face while you were on all
you know, sodium penthe penththol. Although it did just occur
to me that, um, the stealth bombers that they developed
are what are those they? Yeah, they are triangular sort
of kind of they're they're a big wing they're they're flat, yeah,

(37:19):
horizontally or vertically for the most part. Right, I'm just
saying it just occurred to me. I mean, you know,
I think it's like one thing to be like, oh, well, crap.
Maybe they're like, actually it was Langley testing some you know,
super secret something they want usually but like if they
needed to take it across the sea or whatever, I

(37:41):
don't know, maybe it was the Brits testing company. But
also it's a good thing to remember that this is
we're still in the Cold War. Things are still going
on a lot of slanting. It would be nai Bell. Yeah, well,
I know that the stuff technology was being developed back then,
and it could have been prototypes. But even the B

(38:04):
two bomber is pretty huge six to nine there, six
to nine feet and then and the stealth fighter also
is far bigger than that. Honestly, when I see these
reports and I've listened to them, I have a couple
of those little remote control quad copter drones and they're

(38:25):
covered in l e ed s and those things go
all over the place and they flash and they are
super agile, and it makes me think of those when
I hear the reports about how these things moved and
people are chasing them through the trees. And if you've
ever watched somebody who's got one of those that's got
the live camera on it flying it. No, I don't

(38:47):
have the fancy one. I've got the cheap Oh I
bought mine on Amazon for way cheap dollars. But what
I'm getting at is, yeah, I know that was a
great phrase. But what I'm getting at is I've watched
these guys. I watched videos and these guys with really
expensive ones, and this is today. Those things are fast,
and they're agile, and at night you have no idea

(39:09):
what you're looking at, because I've flown one at night
in a field and I could see how somebody would go,
oh my gosh, it's a UFO. Yeah, but the military
is always playing around with that stuff, so it could
have been something like that sort of little drone thing,
awesome radio control drone. Yeah, and we're kind of spilling
over into the theories, which is great. Maybe we just

(39:31):
need to yeah, yeah, yeah, I think we just need
to keep going to do it. We jumped down the
rabbit hole, so we're gonna keep going. So yeah, so
we on the theories. Now. The first theory that we've
got is the orford Ness Lighthouse. That's kind of the
one I'm leading towards. So we talked about this before.

(39:51):
The lighthouse is five miles away from bed Waters. It's
out on the coast. Now all of the everything start
to Woodbridge, which is the southernmost of the Twin Basis,
but Bentwaters. It's from Bentwaters. The lighthouse is directly east.
Oh no, I'm sorry, I've got that backwards. It's not.

(40:14):
It's directly east from Woodbridge and it's southeast from Bentwaters.
Got him reverse. There. There's there's a local forester and
this guy's name is Vince third Kettle. That's an awesome work.
It is. It's kind of a Viking name to me
for some reason, the way it's spelled. But he says
that he's pretty adamant about the fact that the lights

(40:36):
that these guys saw were at the edges of the
forest and appear to hover slightly above the ground and
move are from that lighthouse. At the time, the orford
Nest Lighthouse was the second brightest lighthouse in Britain and

(40:56):
it had and if anybody's into lighthouses, you get this.
But basically this means it's super bright. Is it was
five million candles? That's extremely bright. Uh. The lighthouse had
a shield on the back side of it so that
it didn't, you know, light up the town constantly at night.

(41:17):
But that shield only went so far so from the forest,
when you're to the south, you still see your south
of the lighthouse, You're gonna still see the light. You
just can't block it everywhere. I got like, my mind
is going on this theory now, and like, was was
the weather particularly different? I mean, would it explain why
like on these two particular nights they would see these

(41:38):
lights versus like not after before. I mean, presumably it's
not just like it's not the weather. You just go
out and you're just like, oh, wow, that's weird. We
never noticed that light before. Oh it's totally normally. Get
the feeling that these guys didn't go into the forest
a whole lot. And the problem is this lighthouse is
five miles away, so if you're in a depression, don't

(42:00):
see it. Well, the other thing is in a region,
it's dancing through the trees, it's it's flashing by. Well,
the other thing we don't know is how long these
guys have actually been at the base, so if they
were kind of new arrived. They were all young men,
so I think the oldest of them was in his
I think Halt was the oldest, and he was in
his early thirties. Were like, those are the only two

(42:25):
nights that they were ever in the forest? Is that
what we're saying? That the only way that I could
see this theory being plausible. They had no reason to
go in the forest otherwise. Well, but did they not
like go back? I mean, was it not like everybody
was like, oh, hey, you know what, let's go see
if those lights are still there. I mean, that's for me,
you know, it's like, Okay, if if we're gonna say
they were only there for two nights, that's fine. I'm

(42:46):
willing to go with this theory. I like it a lot.
If we're If what we're saying is that literally the
only time in the entire time that they were stationed
at the base were the two nights, those were the
only two nights there in the forest, then that's all.
That's the only way I can see this plausible. They
have no reason to go in the forest, they have
no reason to leave the base, and these guys are security,

(43:06):
So their US Air Force security. Their job is to
patrol the defence. So we are saying that these would
be the only two nights that they'd be in the forest. Yeah, alright,
I am. I'm on them. Now. Here's here's more damning
evidence against them that it might have been the lighthouse
is if you listen to the Halt tape, somebody in

(43:29):
the background you can hear him say there it is again,
there it is, And there's a there's that break that
I just kind of simulated there of five seconds, which
is the same frequency that the orford Ness lighthouse flashes
that because of course every lighthouse has a unique pattern

(43:50):
so that you know which lighthouse you're looking at from
the sea, and the orford Ness was a steady light
at every five seconds. If if there was a UFO
in the area, they should have said, there's a consistent
blinking light off in the distance, and here goes that
other crazy light you see where I'm heading here, Like

(44:12):
you should have described two lights at the same time.
And in the tape, Halt describes the light as seeming
to be red. Yeah, that's not a problem, the color red. Yeah, well,
potentially it's not a problem except for when I did
the research on the lighthouse, the bulb that was in

(44:33):
the lighthouse at that time gave off a reddish orange glow. Yeah,
that makes sense, and they've they've replaced it since them
with that's a mercury vapor bulb. But I think is
what it doesn't matter what kind, but it actually still
kind of has an orange. I think it's part of
the class. And when you see lights at that distance,
often they look red. I mean you just look at

(44:55):
stars for instance, right, Often the stars look right because
of the way that the atmosphere. The atmosphere also, you know,
it might depend on how often they clean the glass,
so exactly. Here's here's another bit. Halt normally worked out
of Bentwaters and not Woodbridge. So from Bentwaters, where he
is normally located, the lighthouse would have been to the southeast.

(45:20):
But when he's at Woodbridge and he heads east into
the forest, the lighthouse is going to be directly east
of him. So whereas he's expecting to see the lighthouse
south of him, it's not there. He's a little confused
and thinks this foreign object is something crazy when it's
actually something he should have recognized. Got it. I like it.

(45:41):
I'm on board. Yeah, I'm going to the lighthouse. And
we don't have to do any of the other ones,
do we, Well, we kind of and actually I've got
one more nail to put into the coffin of this.
There is a guy by the name of Ian Ridpath
and he does has done a boatload of research about
this incident, and he using the details that he could

(46:05):
pick up from the case, uh, from the tape and
from the records, he kind of tried to retrace their
path through the forest and he came upon what seems
like a likely location because there's a farmer's field and
house directly in front of him, and it's in winter time,
so there's no leaves on the tree and oft in

(46:27):
the distance through a break in the trees, guess what
you see? The lighthouse. That is exactly right. Here's one
other thing in the tape and some of the stuff.
They also report seeing multiple stationary red lights. Well. Also
out on the coast is the Orford Nest Transmission Station.

(46:51):
It's it's two miles up the coast from the lighthouse.
It's five tall radio towers with red lights on them.
Of course, I didn't know those radio towers aren't UFOs.
You don't. You don't know the lighthouse. For that matter,
you don't, you don't know. I mean that lighthouse could
be just a figment of your imagination. We gotta stop

(47:13):
doing this podcast. Well, let's go to another theory, which
is that it is real aliens. I didn't equally as plausible.
I think more plausible. Sorry, Okay, if it's real aliens,
then what were they doing there? Dude, doesn't really matter
they're aliens. They kind of does because this is kind

(47:35):
of interesting. They do what they want. They were zapp
at our nukes. That makes sense because they had nukes
at that base. So they did because at that base. Uh,
the eighty first Fighter Interceptor Wing was housed there. The
eighty first Fighter Wing included. If you're into airplanes, you're

(47:57):
gonna dig this. It is the F one A one
a C Voodoo fighter. Okay, it's a it's a really
fast plane with missiles. The jet cool with missiles. This
jet was set up to carry nuclear warheads and they
had a couple. They had two missiles that I found

(48:19):
information about, which is the low angle draft delivery and
the low altitude bombing system. Basically, these are not high orbit.
They are low altitude bombs, so basically they're meant to
be dropped from a jet. Yeah, it sounds like kind
of suicide for the pilot though. Well that's the thing.
These guys trained for long runs out from England could

(48:44):
potentially get into Russian airspace. In a retaliatory response, they
would go and drop their nukes and beat feed and
hope to get out of the way. Not but note
that they might not. Well that's that's probably the point
of the low angle drug delivery. So because that would

(49:05):
that would slow as to send. Give you a tend
because it's it's parachute. Well, it's like the Osta Hogan key.
This doesn't matter. It's a nerd reference. People will get it.
It's like the Osta Hogan key. I mean, it's it's
like humanities last or America's last, like salvation? Right, is
that like during the Cold War. The theory would be

(49:26):
that if, for instance, for whatever reason, the Soviets were like,
all right, we're nuke in America, America could send their
last signal to their people in England and do that
retaliatory thing. Right, it's not meant to be survivable, it's
meant to be correct. Kind of compose. It's it's a

(49:47):
last less ditch effort. Okay, So we know that there
are nukes on this space. Halt and his men when
they give their reports of this craft shooting up into
the sky and taking off, I don't know if you
remember I talked about they reported it shooting laser like

(50:07):
beams towards the ground. I don't know if I mentioned
that part or not, but they did. And at one
point those those beams that they were shooting hit the
base or near the base. We don't know which it is,
because this is just again, this is one of those
weird gray areas in the story. And like we just said,

(50:28):
we know there are nukes on the base. There have
been reports since the nineteen sixties of unidentified objects in
the sky beaming lights in two sites that are known
to house nuclear weapons all over the globe. So the

(50:48):
aliens are trying to protect us from ourselves, interra totally
protecting us from ourselves so that we don't murder ourselves
like dingbats. Are there any reports of this happening in Russia?
There are there are reports all over the globe. So
I did, I did look around for some stuff, and
there is on US soil, and evidently there's some on

(51:08):
Soviet soil, so it's not just us. Okay, So it's
not them doing it to us either, So we should
probably those things out of storage and test them. That
was the one thing that I just kept wondering going.
So would they admit that their nukes weren't working anymore?
Probably don't tell us. Well, there's there's another aspect to this, uh,

(51:32):
this the aliens real theory, and that would be the
craft itself. Remember we talked about it's that triangular shape
craft that Devon was so up in arms about. It
turns out not the only time that kind of craft
has been described. We all know, we've all seen the
stuff that their saucers shape, they're flying saucers, But this

(51:56):
pyramid shape has been described before. Yeah, I'm you know,
I'm not bothered by a pyramid shape as aliens. I'm
bothered of a pyramid shape as time traveler. Ah, good clarification.
That's that that that makes it all okay. Actually it
doesn't really bother me for time travel. It's just like
it's for something that's gonna like move through the atmosphere.

(52:17):
They really wouldn't be too aerodynamic. Well haven't you did
you ever watch the TV show Stargate? Yeah, all of
all of their spaceships were pyramid shaped. All of them
were pyramid shaped. I can't even believe I went there,
but I did. I did. So let let's get back
to this. There's a reported case. This is in uh In,

(52:39):
a village in Cyprus, which is the island in the Mediterranean.
A man said he saw a UFO at close range,
hovering outside his front door, and when he went up
to the upper story of his house and he looked
down on it, he described it as three ms per side.

(53:03):
It was a low pyramid, and initially the side of
the craft looked like hundreds of very small yellow lights
which turned to red before it gained altitude and shot
upward like a bullet. So the point that I'm making
is the pyramid is not unique to this story. Only

(53:25):
start get aside. And then there's the theory that, well,
this just might set our conspiracy theory friends into fits,
because this whole thing could be one giant mix up,
could be could be some guys on mushrooms. Also, could

(53:46):
be could be let's let's break through this or walk
through this thing, and and look at the pieces of
the puzzle that are here in front of us, because
it kind of makes sense. Okay, absolutely does. So let's
talk about the landing site. There were those three impressions
left on the ground, right, And I don't know if

(54:09):
I mentioned, but I looked at the photos that were
taken of the casts of those impressions. They look like nothing.
They are just amorphous blobs in the ground. So were
they at least consistent? No, not at all. No, they

(54:30):
didn't look consistent to me at all. They look maybe
an inch or so deep. They're very shallow, they're they're
scallop shaped on the bottom, there's pull of full of
pine needle impressions. And the thing is is that the
photos of it are really hard to tell what they
are because they're black and white photos. I've seen stuff

(54:52):
that says that these impressions were made in frozen ground.
I did look up the weather at that time in England,
and the lows at night did go into freezing, So
it's possible that the ground could have been frozen or
at least hard or at least hard, but it doesn't

(55:14):
look like anything. But I've also seen stuff that said
that those three impressions were equally spaced from one each
other one another, so you know, one point something meters
apart feet apart, so they're perfect triangle, which if that's real,
if that's really the distance is amazing for it to

(55:37):
have been animal diggings, but it does kind of look
like it was just squirrels digging into the dand or
trying to find something to eat. Yeah, it could have been,
you know, I mean, it could have looked roughly triangular,
but just random animal stuff. Just very lucky. The other
things about the landing site is I talked about the

(55:59):
the that there were some burn marks on the trees.
They they weren't burn marks because what the locals would
do is when they would mark trees to be felled
and harvested, they would take an axe and they would
scrape the bark and part of the tree, the trunk

(56:19):
of the wood away. Well, if you let enough time
pass enough, sap is gonna turn come out, and that's
going to discolor in the air, and it's gonna give
kind of a burned look. And if you've ever seen
a tree that's got a big scab on it and
it's put out a bunch of sap and it gets
kind of dirty and it gets cold. It doesn't look

(56:41):
like it's just part of the tree. It looks like
something else. And if they're harvesting trees in that area,
that explains why there's so many broken branches. It's a
very simple answer there, you know. And looking at the
pictures of that area, it's like this very convenient open,
little field area in the middle of a forest. Right,

(57:03):
It's it's just a natural opening in the tree. It's
just a nice little convenient you know, nine ten it's
probably eleven feet by eleven feet wide. It's perfect for
the eight nine point eight foot triangle to like just
kind of Yeah, it's it's very convenient. Scope that spot

(57:23):
from across the galaxy. Yeah, that looks like the perfect there.
It is right there, fits like a glove. I had
mentioned earlier that some of the soldiers had reported strange noises. Yeah,
there were burrows reports. Actually, he says there was a
noise like a woman's screaming, and that you could hear

(57:47):
the farm animals making a lot of noise on those nights. Oh,
you mean like animals do, like actual animals. Well, here's
the best part in that forest. One of the creatures
that is known to be in that forest, and I
am going to butcher this pronunciation, so please help me out.

(58:09):
Is them jack deer. That's how I would say that
the mud jack deer, which is known for having a strange, loud,
shrill bark when it's startled. Kid you not, they call
it the barking deer. Yeah, I mean, elk make those
like really terrifying, like loud wine noises. Deer do something

(58:31):
kind of similar sometimes. If you weren't used to it,
and it was in the middle of the night and
you were already a little creeped out, you're a yank.
You know, you live around there, you know, if you're
fresh and you know, fresh off the boat probably and
you're seeing weird lights, you hear a noise. Speaking of
speaking of strange animal noises, if you ever heard a
howler monkey, Yes, holy crap, that's a scary sound. Anyway,

(58:54):
that's off the subject, Off the subject totally. Onto the
subject is the next bit. We talked about radiation a
little bit earlier. I said, I told you in the
story that Halt took the radiation detectors with him when
he was out and about in the woods. He reported
a bunch of readings on the tape. The issue though,

(59:19):
is that even though he's taken these readings, he was
using and this is this is the model and a
n DASH PDR survey meter which detects evidently, it detects
gammon and beta radiation. The highest level reported by Halt
is seven tents, which when you translate that corresponds to

(59:46):
point zero seven. Again, I'm gonna have a hard time
with this word. Yeah, that word per hour, which is
the lowest reading on the bottom range of that meter,
which is also known as the point five scale. Oh
my gosh, you guys, there's zero present radiation here. It's
so high. Background radiation is everywhere. Yeah, and that's the

(01:00:09):
problem is background radiation. What they're picking up his background radiation.
But the radiation detector that he took with him was
not meant to pick up background radiation. It was meant
to be used around nuclear equipment. So it's normal base
reading should have been about ten times that. So it
wasn't a valid piece of equipment to be setting a

(01:00:32):
baseline of abnormality against. So there's a problem with what
he used. Yeah, absolutely, there's a problem with what he
found here because exactly radiation. So the next thing we've
got is in this whole mix up theory is the
lights in the sky. If you remember, at the beginning

(01:00:54):
of this, which has been a while now, we talked
about that there were lights in the sky and a
lot of people, not at the base but just people
in the country were reporting lights in the sky. That's
why they initially went out to the forest, right, because
they were they only saw something. Yes, that's absolutely correct.

(01:01:17):
Here's the thing. At nine o'clock on December PM in England,
the upper stage of a Russian rocket, which had evidently
launched the Cosmos seven four nine satellite, re entered the atmosphere.
That rocket broke up. Two people report over two people

(01:01:42):
reported this thing coming through the atmosphere. It came in
in six pieces, which then fragmented into over twenty pieces
that people watched streaming through the atmosphere that night. Then
at two forty five in the morning on the six AM,

(01:02:06):
a meteor was also recorded as coming into the atmosphere,
and witnesses said it was as bright as the moon
and was had an unusually long duration of three to
four seconds. Because shooting stars are usually they're gone and
they're high to really high. This one evidently burned hard,

(01:02:29):
came low and burned long. Yeah, that does happen. I
saw a fireball once when I was a teenager. Oh,
they're they're kind of Yeah. You immediately kind of think like, no,
that's not that's nope, that's not No, that's too close.
It's burning. Yeah, it was. It was weird. Luckily I
was with some other people, because you know, otherwise I
would have doubted my sanity. But well, we're going, whoa man. Yeah, No,

(01:02:53):
I mean I've I've experienced something similar, you know, just
during like meteor showers, even normal meteor showers. You see
that one and you're just is it a space alien
or no? No, it's fine. It's strange to watch them
when you can actually see them disintegrate. Yeah. So that's
there's one more piece to the mix up story. Remember

(01:03:16):
I talked about the m o D file all right.
Under the Freedom of Information Act in two thousand and one,
the m O D file was released. The m O
D file prove provided a whole bunch of internal correspondence

(01:03:38):
about the event and also oh oops, responses to media
requests about the incident. There was nothing there, which you know,
actually wonder why they held onto it for so long
that they have to they have to. Well what I

(01:03:59):
mean is that I I don't mean why because they're
the m o D and they don't disclose anything if
they don't have to. Yeah, it is and probably for
set for them again, it was more fun to just
sit back and watch the conspiracy. That's probably why I
will never be able to work for the government is
because I would do that. I would be like, oh, yeah,

(01:04:20):
you guys want this file sor it's classified, it's it's
People have gotten a little upset because this kind of
proves and the skeptics are pretty happy about it. It
proves the m o D never took this thing seriously,
didn't do any investigations. You Yanks are idiots. Go home.

(01:04:43):
So that is the mix up theory. There's one final
theory and I know you can't believe this is still
going on. Devin has given me the we're not done yet.
But there is one final theory, which is the whole
thing was a hoax. Okay, that makes sense, I guess,
or what it was a U. S Airman. There is

(01:05:07):
a U. S Airman by the name of Kevin Condie's conde. Okay, well,
he was also a security detail. He was also on
security detail, just like Peniston and Burrows. And what he
says is on the night that Halt and his men

(01:05:27):
went out into the woods, he says, I drove my
patrol car out of sight from the gatehouse, turned on
the red and blue emergency lights, and pointed the white
flashlights up through the mist into the air. He then
supposedly drove around the edge of the forest to mess
with his buddies, which I gotta tell you, I can

(01:05:49):
actually see a military guy who's a young guy screwed
with his buddies doing sounds the only the only thing
about his story is he put out the story and
then not too long after he retracted it. I would too,
Are you kidding me? I mean, like really truly, like
I would too. Like if your bosses were like, oh, yeah,

(01:06:11):
you're responsible for this. Hey, maybe that's not a great idea.
Maybe we should just let everybody think it's aliens, like seriously,
like you were just like gooping off on like company
time with company material, like his report he gave it
to the media. Yeah, That's what I'm saying, though, Is
that like if he released it to the media and

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then his boss was like, so, really you're screwing around,
he would be like, actually, yeah, maybe media just kidding.
I was just kidding me. He released his report, it
was like two thousand three or two thousand eight or something.
I'm just saying, like even then, like if Langley called
you up and was like, hey, maybe no, and he

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was like, oh, yeah, just kidding. See, that's the thing.
I don't think Lanely or the Air Force would have
called up and said, hey, maybe you shouldn't do that.
I would could envision that more of them calling him
and saying you need to retract that, and you need
to do it now, or there's gonna be some negative repercussion.
But I'm territorial and well no, my description is just

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like the way that I would say it. But why
would they want him to retract it? I don't know,
because it makes a jackass out of everybody in the
US Air Force who was involved in this thing. So
and it makes a jackass out of the US Air Force.
Not the Air Force really, I mean, it's it's just
it's just just a handful of guys on a on

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a base in Britain, that's true, but some of the
parts make the whole, so one leads to the other.
I don't know. I think it's probably the lighthouse. What
do you think, Joe, I'm leaning towards it. Maybe a
combination of the lighthouse. It's in a prankster. It's always
a possibility, and I personally just I have to lean

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towards the giant misunderstanding because of all the parts and pieces.
So this is one of the fewer were completely divide,
which is well, I think I think any of those
those things, aside from the aliens zapping our new because
I think they're funniest, I think it's good. Yeah, I know,
I think the I think the aliens want us to
nuke each other so that way they can move in

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and you know, build new subdivisions here, new alien subdivisions,
have all this. If they if they like radioactive housing,
then yeah themselves. How do you know the aliens don't
like radiation? Maybe yeah, maybe That's what I'm saying is
if they like radiation and they would just bomis themselves necessarily,
I mean it's they might they might have this thing

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going where they feel like, well, we knew ourselves, We're
gonna feel kind of guilty. Oh my god, what is
happening right now? Yeah, that is okay, that's weird. Those
are our thoughts. That's all the theories. Let's let's let's
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