August 18, 2025 • 49 mins
Ahead of the release of their upcoming Christmas movie "A Merry Little Ex-Mas," Oliver connects with his hilariously unfiltered co-star Jameela Jamil.
The former schoolteacher offers lessons in making it in Hollywood. Hear about the night her career took a different course, the amazing way she landed her breakout role in "The Good Place," and how she feels about industry egos!
Plus, Jameela reveals how her older sibling shaped her expectations of men, and whether marriage is in the cards in her current relationship with singer James Blake.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
We wanted to do something that highlighted our.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are
a sibling.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Railvalry, No, no, sibling, don't do that with your mouth.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Revelry.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Oliver Hudson, Oliver Hudson, I've been saying my name a
lot lately. I it's a slow day. I had to
wake up super early and drop my kids off at
the airport. Getting that age.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Now where they're flying alone. You know, I think they think.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
They're all cool. The going back to LA They're doing
camp counselor stuff, which is good anyway. All that all
that to say, I'm just tired. O.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
YEI got it, had to get up at six with
the boys.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
But no reason to complain. I'm in beautiful Colorado looking
outside my window. The sky is blue, the clouds look fake,
the trees are green. So what am I? What am
I complaining about a little fatigue in my life? Summer
is coming to an end, and that's sad. All the
(01:40):
kids are back in Los Angeles and I'm taking about
a week under a week just to spend some time
with Milady solo mission end of the summer.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Just get our bone in. It's gonna bone it out.
It's gonna bone it out a lot. I'm gonna try.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Because when I try and then I get rejected, I
get upset, so then I stop trying. You know, it's
this vicious cycle. But I don't get rejected that much.
We have a nice boning atmosphere twenty five years in.
If you don't bone, you can't find home, you know
(02:21):
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
That was Hemingway. Hemingway wrote that, all right, enough of boning.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I'm sure we'll talk a lot about boning in this
next in this next segment with his next guest, who
I worked with on a Netflix show, call a Mary
little X Miss. I think that's what it's called. I'm
in the movie and I still don't know the exact
title of the movie. But we hit it off tremendously
immediately because she has absolutely no filter, as do I,
(02:52):
as I don't, as do I not, whatever the correct
English is, So please welcome into the show, Onto the show,
Jamila Jamil, what a babe.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Hi? How are you?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
I'm good? How are you? Where are you?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I'm in London, I was just looking through photos of
our movie shoot and what a cute couple we were.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yes, I just got those as well the kills.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
So for those that don't know, you go through you know,
they send you pictures and you can slash the ones
that you don't like or want. I'm way too lazy
to go through that shit, so I just I let
it ride. Nice, I let it ride good. Yeah, but
I did just do adr yesterday. So I got to
see a little bit and I almost threw up.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Great.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I can't stand looking at myself. It just makes me crazy.
It makes me crazy.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Yeah. Yeah. Ted Danson said that he cried the first
time he sort of saw the good place. So judgmental
of himself and he's so hot. It's so ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
No, I know, I know, Well, what are you doing?
I was just in London.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Why were you in London?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Well, I was there for six days. After the.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I was in Greece and we did six days in London,
and then I stayed because I did the American bake Off. Hmmm.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Do you think controversy follows you or do you bring
in controversy?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
I think I hunted out?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Do you hunt it out?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
I hunt it down? Rather, I seek it out and
then I hunt it down. I think it's I think
it's both. I think I think I I don't want
to be a controversial person, and in fact, I don't
really understand why I am deemed so controversial, why the
media try to frame me is so controversial. But I
am aware when I am poking the hornet's nest, I'm
(04:59):
a where that it's a touchy subject, and that doesn't
deter me. So I think I'm just unafraid of controversy
rather than literally courting it. But people make it seem
like asking for sort of equality is a really crazy
thing to do.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
But why do you think you're they're crazy? Well, I
know because I look, we're friends. Now, I follow you.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
I see all the shit that you sort of, you know,
stir up, and then I see you know, you posting
things and this and that, and you know, sort of
pleading your case. Essentially, you're saying, well, here's the truth,
here's the reality of all of this. But why do
you think you're a target?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Because I threaten massive institutions, and I think I threatened systems,
and because I'm a decent communicator. I sometimes have been
proven to inspire other people to also use their voices,
and that can be very dangerous when it comes to
disrupting or dismantling power. And so they want to make
(05:56):
an example of those of us who stand up and
speak loudly so that other people won't want to do it.
So if they, you know, humiliate you, or lie about you,
or take things away from you, then other people will
be deterred from following in your path. And so I
think I just fly a little too close to the sun.
But that's okay, because you know, I never planned on
(06:17):
this career anyway, so it's inevitable it's going to you know,
we'll go down in flames.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
But how did activism? First of all, do you consider
yourself an activist?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
No?
Speaker 1 (06:27):
No, okay, that's what I thought. I knew that, but
I'm really the audience right now we use that word?
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Do we give that word? No?
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Exactly define, define potentially what you feel that you are.
And then what activism is or what an activist is?
Why is that word? So it's kind of diluted now.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Well, because it's trendy. It became trendy after that to movement,
and anyone who said anything that went against the current
was suddenly named an activist and deemed an activist, and
a lot of people in our industry believed it.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
And.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I think think to be called an activist, you have
to be an actual organizer, who's taking actual risks, who's
on the ground without the privilege and protection to know
it's fundamentally going to be okay if you take this
stance or you make this you know, make the stand.
And so I would call myself and the rest of
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us privileged fools advocates. You can advocate for a cause,
you can signal a cause to other people and highlight
other great voices, but but to deem myself an activist
when I'm posting from my movie trailer, it's bowel business.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
It's foolery.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Well, this is why I love you, because you have
your your head is on't very very straight. It feels
like there's no hypocrisy with you in any way.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Well, I'm very old. I think if there was, I've
hopefully straightened most of it out.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
What do you mean you're old?
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Forty and forty?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Okay, Well, you're all so old.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I am and I just saw it like yesterday when
I was watching our scenes.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Don't you love it? Though?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
No? All, no, no, I don't. I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
The funny thing is, there are some where I'm like, ah, look,
I'm not even paying attention to performance this point. I'm
not even really watching a scene. I'm just seeing my
face pops up. I'm like, wait, why since when did
I have jaundice? You know, I'm like, what the fuck happened?
Why am I yellow?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
That's just because you're white stuffing next to me?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Probably, And then there's scenes I'm like, look, all right,
you know fits skin tones there, and then boom, next
scene You're like, what the fuck.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Is going on?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I think you've been in La too long and you
need to get the fuck out. I'm here. I'm in
Colorad right but I'm in England right now, and we're
all rough as shit over here, and it makes you
feel sane. You know, everyone's face is moving, Yeah, everyone's
dyed their hair the wrong color. We don't brush our teeth,
but we don't even floss in movies. You know how
(09:03):
Americans are always flossing in movies. We don't even perform flossing.
It's not a part of our culture. You're toothless, we're
all hungover, we don't eat right, we order fries with
every single meal, including breakfast. It's just it's it's a
it's a lovely normal ground to be so I think
(09:25):
you just need to get out of Airbrush City.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
But why, but why? But why is London still like that?
Are the English still Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Look, we're not impenetrable, you know, because we're the Internet.
But it's just you've walked around the streets here generally
like to be polished is to be boring.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
But I never understood the teeth thing. I don't get that.
Why why?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
I think we just can't be asked. We're busy, we're
busy abusing our bodies. You know, it's not it's we
go too far with it right, you know, like the
fact that if if you were to order a salad,
people would think you're dying, genuinely concerned if you order
a salad for a meal. But I think we just
(10:16):
don't care. I don't think it's I think it's still
frowned upon to be concerned with your appearance, which is
a different type of snobbery, but it's one that makes
you feel less self critical, like the difference in our
actors here versus in America is insane. Like in LA
I feel like a lot of our actors look like
they're straining for a poo when they're trying to cry
(10:38):
because of their faces and so frozen we'reas in England,
we all look sort of more haggard and very emotive
and expressive. And also so much of our stuff is period,
so you can't have your lips done to be like
my Lord wherefore, because it would look fucking crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I think it's just a different culture, you know. I
think it's it's just different. But I think if you
get out of where you are, you'd realize you're a
London eleven.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah, Well I loved it, My kids loved it. We
had a blast. The weather was amazing though, so we
had fun there. We saw a lot of really nice
teeth too, by the way.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Were they your own? In the mirror?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah? There?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
But you said that you didn't want to do this right,
You didn't want to be an entertainer, you didn't want
to get into this world.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, so how did that happen for you?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I was an English teacher and I was street scattered
at a pub by a producer who thought I was ridiculous,
and he said that I should be on television and
I said I would never be on television. I was,
you know, I was very up my own ass, in
my snobbery. And then he said it was one thousand
pounds a day, and without hesitating, I was like, please
give me the email. And I emailed in like a
(12:00):
cover letter and a really daft picture of me dressed
as like an old Santa Clause. And then they asked
me to send in a video, so I sent it
a video and then they asked me to come in
an audition and I did and I got the biggest
youth entertainment job in Britain.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
How old were you I.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Was twenty two, almost twenty three.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
And so wait, up until that point, you were a teacher.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
I was an English teacher.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, you were in English. What grades were you teaching?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Crazy, isn't it because I'm so stupid? Oh no, I
was teaching English as a foreign language. And then I
was teaching teenagers English literature, having read very few books. Yeah,
I've always been a bullshitter. Yeah no, no, this is
how I am, you know, it's who I am. I
didn't know how to act. I'd never acted before I
did The Good Place. That was my first audition. It
was the first time I'd ever acted, you know, My
(12:46):
first time on set was the first day on The
Good Place. On a movie sale or a TV show set.
I told, you know, Marvel, I would be able to fight,
and then they learned the hard way that that was
a really crazy thing for me to say.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Mm hmm, No, No, I saw you try to run
on our show.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Oh, humbling times. Do you remember me on the sledge?
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (13:13):
We all thought I was going to die?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yes, yes, you thought you were going to die?
Speaker 3 (13:21):
No, you all did? I have you on video shitting yourself?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Did you want to be a teacher? Is this what
you grew up wanting to do? Was a little cool?
Speaker 3 (13:40):
No, I wanted to be a doctor.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Right, Well, let's go back into that. Like, first of all,
where did you grow up?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
I grew up in London and then Spain, and then
a little bit in Pakistan and then back to London,
and then I just moved all over London. There's almost
nowhere in London that I haven't lived. I moved like
thirteen times as a kid.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Okay, and with your parents, with.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Your family parents, yeah, with my parents, with my brother.
I've only got one brother. I have like three half siblings,
but I don't know them. Okay, but my brother is
also my half sibling. But I do know him, and
he's you know, the love of my life.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
H that's right.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
I know.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
When did he become your half sibling? Were you? Are
you the oldest?
Speaker 3 (14:21):
No, he's ten years older than me, so when I
was born.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Oh wow, So it's an interesting age gap there.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
It is. But it was kind of genius because he
was old enough to be really excited to have a buddy,
you know, and he he just loved, loved the shit
out of me the second I was put into his arms.
And my mum had done something very smart, which is
to tell him all throughout the pregnancy that this was
going to be his baby. She was, you know, creating
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a like a like his toy, his baby. So when
I arrived, he didn't feel threatened. He was like, my
gift has arrived. And he was so happy to see
me and cherished looking after me and teaching me things
and teaching me creativity and games. And I'm certain that
the reason I know how to act now is because
(15:12):
my entire, like really young childhood, was spent making up
characters to entertain my brother.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Oh wow, but did that Did he go away to university?
Did he leave at a certain time?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
You know?
Speaker 1 (15:25):
How was that? Because then essentially you became an only child.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
He left when I was six or seven, and I
didn't know until we got to the airport because everyone
was so scared, because everyone knew I was completely obsessed
with him, and I would follow him everywhere as a
veltcro sibling, and he would let me because he's very cool.
And then they told me at the airport as he
(15:51):
was going through the crossing, and it was like Sophie's choice.
I threw a tantrum that has never been seen before.
He threw I'm amazed, I'm ever in that back, but
I lost my shit. It was properly like a film.
It was like he was never It was like he
was going away to war. I was never going to
see me again, because at that age you don't know,
you know, you have no concept of time, and to
spend a day without him would have killed me. But
(16:13):
to know that he was leaving to move to another country.
He moved to Spain with my grandmother because that's where
she lived and that's where we'd partially partially grown up.
And it ruined my life.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I mean, how did you You're six years old. Very
resilient children are, but how do you square that? And
then when did you? Guys reconnect again?
Speaker 3 (16:39):
We stayed in touch, but it became harder as I
went through my teens without him. You know, we went
our separate ways for a really formative period of time.
So it was really as adults that we became super
close again.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
So there was a bit of a separation in the
sense that he was, Yeah, there.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Was a separation. He was off doing his thing, and
and that distance felt really far away. We didn't have
the money to go out and see him all the time,
so you know, I was able to go and stay
with him, like one time when I was eight, and
it was the best I think it was the entire
best week of my childhood where I was just allowed
to just go and be just me and him, and
I remember on the final day, I was sobbing because
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I had to leave. And then he played and it
was raining outside and his room overlooked the sea, and
then he played here comes the Sun. That was the
week he introduced me to the Beatles, and he was
playing me the Red album and the Blue you know,
the compilation albums, and he played here Comes the Sun,
and all of a sudden, the sun came out and
all the rain went away, and it was one of
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those like kind of core memories of magic. And that
was when I became obsessed with the Beatles, which I'm
still obsessed with now. James keeps begging me to stop
buying Beatles memorabilia for our shared home, and yeah, my
esthetic in our home is like a foreign exchange student.
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But yeah, that was very painful. Then after that, you know,
I just grew into my own very isolated person like
I didn't really make friends after that, partially because I
was so weird and he was the only person who
understood me, but also because he sets such a high
bar for companionship. You know, I had the greatest best
friend of all time who used to like, this is
(18:20):
how thorough my brother was. Like he would create universes,
not just games. He would throw me in a he
would throw me in a sleeping bag the wrong way,
so headfirst, and then he would put on a hair
dryer and then roll me around on the floor, so
I would think I was traveling through space and time
and I was in a rocket. And then he would
(18:41):
pick me up, put me in like a washing you know,
the washing basket, and then drag me like you know what,
felt like warp speed. And I'm still in the blanket.
I still can't see anything. So he's dragging me through
the apartment and then I land in a room and
he's had it covered in tinfoil. He's covered everything in tin.
So now I know we're in the future. And he
would tell me that my parents weren't really my parents,
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they were aliens. That really fucked me up.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
But he was so cool and creative. You know, he
ran into a fire to protect me like my parents
didn't and he did really Yeah, they stood there frozen.
There's like, you know, this air conditioning unit in Pakistan
that's caught fire, and he ran into the house, into
a room that was on fire and got me.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
So I owe this motherfucker forever.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
But when did you reconnect to where you got close?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
You know, really close?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Probably in my twenties, And then how did that happen?
You guys just grew up?
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Well, I moved near him. I moved near he moved
back to England. I moved in literally around the corner
from him, and so we saw each other all the time.
And I think, I think you just like you get
I think you and Kate have this like sometimes you
don't have any chemistry with your sibling, and sometimes you
just do. And it's like the universe just plopped one
of your soulmates into, you know, out the same purse,
(20:05):
you know. Yeah, yeah, it's ideal.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
And so I have nothing in common with you know,
the rest of my family, but my brother is like
one of my exact identical sense of humor, Like he's
kind of my parents.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
He shaped me, he did, he raised you a little.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yeah, and with your other halves, is it is it
just just doesn't work. It's just sort of eh, I mean,
or is there animosity there or is it just sort
of like it just it wasn't. We didn't connect, and
it's simply I think we just.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Never were around each other, so we never connected. And
they were way older than me. The youngest one of
them was sixteen years older than me. Okay, and I'm
from the second marriage, So you know, I don't think
anyone was trying to get to know the baby from
the marriage that their mother was left for, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
What I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, And what was your
what was your childhood like? Was it strict? Was it creative?
Were you free and independent? Was was there a cultural
aspect to it? It was weird.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
It was like sort of socially bohemian. You know, I
didn't like my parents are very western. They were not
trying to practice our culture at all. Like they didn't
teach me and my brother the language, they didn't we
didn't eat the food, we didn't listen to the music.
So we were very much so like a westernized Asian family.
Becau was so much racism that my parents faced when
they moved over. I think they were both maybe a
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bit traumatized, so they desperately, like they spoke in such
like like cut glass fake British accents, very exaggerated, you know,
when they would speak to white people on the phone,
and then an Indian accent they speak to Indian people
on the phone, so they Yeah, so it was we
were very much so like it's steeped in white British
culture and American culture, like so much American music and
(21:52):
American movies and then and and you know they were
they were sort of you know, they were loosey goosey
people in that way. But they wanted me to be
very very academic because academia is just like very very
intense in South Asian household. So there was a lot
of pressure on me to be very academic, to compete
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with my cousins, the very competitive like families that I
come from.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
And how did you take how do you take to that?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
I don't know because there was nowhere I wasn't like,
discipline wasn't being modeled for me at home because it's
all like music and film. But I just still had
to excel. So I I think I just had to.
I just I just knew the pressure that was on
my shoulders to achieve and make my family very proud.
And you know, I've spoken about this for I don't
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like to go into too much debt about it, but
I come from a sad family like I come from
a family of mentally troubled, abused people, you know, who
struggle with their mental health in all kinds of different
like debilitating ways. And I was aware of that from
as soon as I could understand, so I knew that
being funny or making them laugh, making the proud created
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just a little respite through the tension and the mania
of my household. That was, you know, in moments, very
fun and entertaining but also terrifying. So, you know, so
I just got through it. You know, you just understand
as a kid what you need to do. And so
I made my entire identity studying. And then no one
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fingered me till I was in my twenties by choice.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
No, he told me that story. You told me the
story of that moment, very very fun.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I didn't tell you about getting fingered.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
I think you might have.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
No, I didn't. I don't even remember. I just know
it didn't happen until I was in my twenties. Well
what are you thinking of.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Well, there was some sort of a situation that happened
later or way later on in life where it was like,
let's just get this over with.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Maybe it was losing your virgin.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
No, it was my first kiss. It was my best friend.
Because everyone was worried that everyone bought me the fourty
year old No, no, it's not I'm not a Hollywood child.
The forty year old virgin came out and I was
in my early twenties and everyone was scared that was
going to be me. So one of my best friends
(24:16):
just laid one on me, just kissed me, and then
it was done. And then I became a kissing maniac,
but just with him, you know. And so I've still
not really sown my wild oats. I've only slept five people.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
But that's not who you really are.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
No, it's just not I have no game, and you
know that now, you know it's not an act. We've
spent some significant time.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Together, No, I know, I know, but you attribute that
just to who you are, you know, I mean, yeah,
just you just but you found your man, you found
your guy.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Yeah, I don't know how well when he writes these
songs about me, these love songs, I'm like, is he
having an affair?
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Cannot be about me me?
Speaker 3 (25:03):
I think I told you when we were in Canada
together that that he wrote this song with Travis Scott,
you know, who at the time was dating his baby mama,
Kylie Jenna, and she's very like sexual and he was
singing like, you know, Travis is singing about Kylie, and
James is singing about me, and and Travis is like
air is better than a beach, and then he's talking
about her peach and he's just being really like raunchy,
(25:26):
and then James's lyrics, she's a very nice person. Yes,
it's like just just being like just dunked in humble pie,
but that is who I am.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
It's amazing how you have found someone and he has
found someone who you just understand each other. And it
sounds like you live very sort of independent lives in
the best possible way because you were not you were
not relying on each other necessarily. You know, we love
each other and want each other and want to be
with each other, but at the same time, you know
(26:15):
there's some ease to what you guys do.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
It's different, different than most relationships. Would you would you
say that's true?
Speaker 3 (26:23):
I don't know. I don't know if I'm aware of
too many other relationships. I know that we're best friends
and we're obsessed with each other, so that's just really nice.
And I know that he treats me incredibly well. We
treat each other very very well and with lots of respect,
and we are a full team. And we've been a
team pretty much since the minute that we met, even
when we want to kill each other. It's we're still
a fucking team. And I think I think I can
(26:45):
also credit my brother as to why I was looking
for a gentleman in my life. My brother's a proper gentleman,
like old school gentlemen, like to the point where for
a while he started dressing as like a Victorian gentleman,
and he took it far. But that was very chic
in London, you know, in the like naughties and nineties,
(27:06):
you know, none of us. I was thinking the other
day when walking through the park in London, I was like, God,
if an alien landed here right now, they would have
no idea what year this is, because everyone is so
dedicated to and we don't just like have a nod
to another era. You have like nineteen year olds who've
never seen anything from the seventies dressed like full like
full Dylan vibes. You know, it's very very funny. But anyway,
(27:29):
so my brother was the like the most gentlemanly person
I've ever met, and I think I always looked for
that in partners as someone who was very very kind
and had great manners and and was old fashioned in
that way.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
You know, I've never.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
I've never really dated disrespectful. I've never had an attraction
to disrespectful people, thank god, because God knows, Hollywood has
trained women to look for disrespectful bad boys.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like me, gone quite well for you?
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I'm doing great and I'm doing very very well.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
But you're not a bastard.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
You're no, not at all, of course I am. Come on,
how did that start? How did the relationship start? Was
it slow and steady? Because you know, and and by
the way, how much is humor play in to this?
Because you're very funny obviously. You love to laugh, you
love to make people laugh, you love shock value, I
(28:33):
reverence all of these things. So you have to find
someone that can match you.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Yeah, silliness has got to be the only way I've
survived this relationship because I'm sure that if I didn't
make him laugh as much as I did, he would
have left me. By now. So much about me is like,
it's not what he ordered, you know, It's just yeah,
it's what he ordered versus what he got. It just
hilarious to me. But I think humor was a massive
(29:01):
part of it. We met, we start, we were friends first,
so not too quickly, and then we we did kind
of accidentally move in with each other because he came
out to Los Angeles just to visit for five days,
and you know, we weren't seeing each other, and then
he stayed for ten years, so you know, he was
just staying in my room and I had a you know,
flat share with another roommate and we just lived there
(29:23):
for about a year and a half and then we
got our own place. So we lived together pretty much
from as soon as we started shagging, but we still
didn't say I love you for like nine months, and
we didn't we didn't really accept that this was a
relationship for eighteen months.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Wow, we were.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Very just like you know, we weren't shagging other people,
but we just weren't taking it seriously because he was
twenty six and he was a musician and actual victorious
secret like legit, literal women who have wings are trying
to have sex with him. I have no wings. Women
who have like beauty crowds. I have a burger king crowd, right,
you know. Like so so I was ever like, oh, yeah, no,
(30:01):
we're going to be together forever. And then after about
eighteen months we realized we really really didn't want the
other one to shag anyone else, so we just kind
of made an official commitment to each.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Other after eighteen months.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
After eighteen months, yeah, that's when we really took it
seriously and realized, oh shit, I actually really fucking love you.
I'm so annoyed, you know, because I was supposed to
have my hoe fase. You know, I'd been waiting my
whole life for this ho phase. I was like, I'm
about to be thirty, I'm moving to California. I'm gonna
be a big old slat. I love it. And then he,
(30:34):
you know, he come.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Ah, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
I know.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Well we comet blocked each other, you know, and that's it.
So and now I think we're gonna probably go the distance.
We're going to try to go the whole distance. We're
not married, but I told you that your mum inspired
one of my favorite songs of his. She gave an
interview explaining her relationship with Kurt Russell, and she said,
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I don't want to get married because I want to
choose him, you know. I just I enjoy the fact
that I could leave the house and go anywhere, and
I choose to come back to him, and I said
that to James when I was explaining why I never
want to get married, that I was incredibly inspired by
your mum. And then he wrote a song called Choose
Me On you know, very shortly after we started dating,
and it's some people's favorite song of his. So thanks
(31:22):
to your mum.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
It is true. It is true.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Though, what I mean Mary, what is what does marriage
actually provide you?
Speaker 2 (31:32):
What does it do?
Speaker 3 (31:33):
You know I told you my theory.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yes, but my mother was the one who said what
are you doing?
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Because I would get her jewelry every Christmas? And I
would show my mom to him, thinking about this, this
and this, and I brought her some jewelry, ring and
a necklace.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Whatever. She goes, why what are you going to propose
when you get her a ring? It's been three years?
I said, what are you talking about? Are you crazy? No,
I'm not going to get married. You're not married. It works.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
I come from divorce and that didn't fucking work. So
and then she said, well it's not you don't have
to get married right away. It's a symbol. Do you
want to be with her for the rest of your life?
I said, yes, Well, it's just a symbol. It's to
show her that you do. So then I went for it,
and then it spiraled me for the next two years.
I started to trip out. But you know, my mom
(32:21):
was the one who sort of made me propose. What
she did to put me at ease was just say, look,
you don't have to you don't have to get married.
Get married in four years if you want. But it's
just you know, so that's the She's the reason that
I even proposed.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Yeah, well look, I mean you you are the exception,
You're not the rule when it comes to marriage. And
I think James and I have kind of built this
superstition via watching what's happened to a lot of our friends,
which is that almost as soon as they get married,
a sexy X comes back. Someone only turns up at
work who's like everything they've ever wanted. And you're like,
(32:58):
oh fuck, do you tempt fate? When you stand there
and you speak directly to God and you say, like,
I vow to be with this person forever, its God
just like oh yeah, and so I So I've developed
this silly superstition that you know, I feel as though
James and I are flying under the radar, keeping a
low profile and not tempting the universe. It's like, please
(33:20):
don't send me, you know, someone tempting. Just leave me alone.
And we've been thus far left alone. And I think
it's because I know a couple who were together for
like thirty years unmarried, got married. He immediately had an affair, No,
never had an affair before. Yeah, total chaos, like potentially
on the brink of divorce chaos.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
And so I think I just think it's tempting the universe.
It's a stupid theory. I never said it was intelligent,
but it works for us well good.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
You know, I've never even to I don't think we've
ever touched upon spirituality.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
No.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
I believe in in things that are convenient to my life.
So I believe in karma because I love revenge.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
You know.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
I don't think about good karma. I just think of like,
I can't wait till you get your fucking bad karma.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
You can.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
I'm a petty person like that. And then I believe
in God. When I'm at the dentist, you know, and
I'm like, please, God, I swear to God, I'll stop
eating sugar, I'll start flossing. Please, if you just don't
make me like have a root canal, please God. So
all of a sudden, she's religious, right, So I'm you know,
I'm not going to be given any gifts by the
universe because I only call when I need something. No
(34:29):
one wants the friend who only calls when they need something.
There's no other dedication, you know, or loyalty that I show.
So no, not terribly not just you know, no horoscopes,
no anything. I'm really just kind of you know, flying
by the seat of no pants.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
No pants, but you know, nothing bigger, no bigger energy, no,
no tapping into things.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
No.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
So coincidence is just coincidence that you know it just
life is basic sort of.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Although I'm I'm maybe, but I kind of, you know,
I do believe in pro noya, you know, pro noya,
which is the opposite of paranoia, when the universe is
is conspiring in your favor. Okay, So I never think
the universe is against me anytime anything goes wrong. I generally,
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you know, once the wound has healed, go, that probably
protected me from something else. It's also known as the
burnt toast theory. You know, you burn your toast on
your way to work. And then that makes you angry
because it's inconvenience. You can I you're late, but because
you were late, you didn't get hit by that car
or run into that X or something, sliding doors and
other great examples. So I think I think it's just
(35:39):
because I saw sliding doors that I believe in that.
So I just always believe I'm on a timeline. Yeah,
it's actually not a very good movie, but it's such
an incredible Yeah, I know, but I rewatched it. I
rewatched it recently for the first time in twenty years,
and I was like, this is a bit shit, But
the concept is so incredible that it doesn't matter, and
(35:59):
the performance are all good. It's just not particularly well written,
and you don't you kind of know that they just
didn't need to write it that brilliantly because the concept
is such a like runaway hit.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yes, okay, that's fair. I'm sort of on your page.
You know, I'm not a god.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
I'm just not a deep thinker, you know, that's what
it is.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I don't believe that. Sometimes I feel like you sell
yourself short. I sometimes you I feel like you use
your bluster to sort of deflect from your depth.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Sometimes I don't know, I might be a puddle.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
That's just me knowing you a little bit, not a lot,
but a little bit. What is AILA's dan Love syndrome.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
It's a lack of collagen in every cell of my body,
which means that I'm like an elastic lady got it?
So like my arm is normal like this, but then
oh no, looks broken. So I'm just sort of very bendy.
I displicate all the time. I'm very clumsy. I fall
down the stairs constantly. I have lots of stupid health emergencies.
(37:09):
My heart doesn't work properly, my teeth are rubbish, but
my skin will never age. So it's it's weird. Like
my insides are the painting in my basement. So I
have the insides of like, you know, probably a one
hundred year old, but my exterior will never crease, which
is really crazy.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Wow. So it's like a bit double edged.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Yeah, I don't know, I don't care. I like wrinkles,
but I yeah, it's so it's it's weird. It's it's
weird to look young and feel so old. M hm,
because you're sick all the time.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
I know, I know, I remember, yeah, but you're such
a trooper that I just want to say, Jamila was
going through some shit.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Just a stomach bug or whatever the fuck was going on.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
No, it wasn't a stomach bug. I've got a hernia
working out with one of our coasts in my esophagus
because I'm so weak. Because he's made of muscle, and
the only way to he doesn't leave the gym. So
if you want to bond or hang out with him
and become friends, you have to go to the gym
to hang out. And so I brought I brought my
(38:17):
like I brought some pringles and a can of Fantera
as my electrolytes because I'd never, you know, been a
fitness person. So he immediately didn't take me seriously and
then kind of punished me for it by working me
out so intensely and hardcore, not in like a flirty,
wet like like boot camp. And he worked me out
so hard, and I'm so pathetic that I I got
(38:41):
in my food tube.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Oh my.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Diagnos.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
That was the That was the beginning of it, and
then it just escalated from there. But I never missed
a day and I was never late.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Did nudge me.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
It was unbelievable. She would I mean, just on death
door it scene.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
I would leave hospital, kill the.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Scene and then just leave and then come back and
leave the ultimate professional.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
It was an insane shoot. And you know, I fucking
went back to Canada recently to film something else and
because that was my first time shooting in Canada, was
with you guys. And then I went back to Canada recently.
I don't know if you saw this on the internet,
but I got bitten on the fucking eye by a
meat eating fly called a black fly. Didn't know they
have those in Canada, and it gave me some sort
(39:29):
of black fly fever, which I'd never heard of before.
Flies are so timid in England, but their carnivores in Canada.
It bit me on the eye while I was filming,
and my eye fully swelled up like a testicle. And
then I posted it but no one read the caption,
so they thought I'd been beaten up by James. And
it was chaos online. It was a nightmare because no
(39:51):
one fucking reads the cattle.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Oh my gosh, what's going on? Maybe maybe you should
go to Canada.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
I it's final destination, it is, But yeah, that's what's
wrong with me. I've got ailos down or syndrome. It's
it's incredibly not fun, and loads of people have it
and don't know that they have it, and that's really sad.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Yeah. Well, I loved working with you. I think we
had a blast. And you've been working more now, right,
I mean you've been.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Yeah, I've been. I work in people you're at.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Hesitant about, like Okay, I'm doing this gig, and it
was like do I want to do this?
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Fuck it, let's go do it.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
I haven't done that much since we spoke. I really am, like,
I'm not very ambitious. You know this now, people. One
of the things that drives me mad is that throughout
my career i've you know, especially I get this from
other women. I don't really get this from men, but
women will be so guarded around me, which is so
ironic because I love women so much, but they'll be
guarded around me and weird and competitive, and they'll think
(40:49):
that my whole like I don't know what I'm doing
is an act to try and get their guard down
so I can go in for the kill. But whenever
anyone actually then works with me, they're like, oh wow,
she really is just showing up for a vibe. She's
really got no design. Tore. I said to you that
I never want to be higher, like number six on
(41:09):
a call sheet. My sweet spot is like number six,
Come in, be fun, fuck off again, right. You know,
I really love I love this industry, but I love
it in little bite sized chunks, so I don't let
it define me, and I think it can be quite dangerous.
I think, you know, I was very lucky that I
was a journalist, you know, before I became an actor.
So my job was to interview actors and musicians and superstars.
(41:31):
You know. I got to interview all the most famous
people in the world all the time, and that was
my job, and so I got to see them behind
the scenes, you know. I'd go away on like four
day trips with them and do documentaries about them and stuff.
And I had never met a super successful person who
was really really happy, and I think that really marked me.
And so I was like, right, I'm gonna make my
(41:52):
metric of success fun, not not awards, not followers, not money. Like,
I'm just gonna make it fun. And so all my
jobs I pick are based on who I get to
have fun with. You know, I wanted to meet you.
I wanted to meet Alicia, I wanted to meet Melissa
Joan Hart. You know, so I took that movie without
even reading the script because I was like, Oh, I
(42:14):
love all these people. I want to meet them and
hang out with them for a month.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Would you say the written word is what sort of
inspires you the most? Or would you connect to the most?
Speaker 1 (42:24):
You know, I mean, what is it you're most passionate
about as far as your creativity goes.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
I don't know. I don't know if I'm an especially
creative person. I'm an essay writer, so I a writer though,
yes that's very kind, But again, I'm not super creative.
I think I'm a I think I'm good at documenting
what's happened. I think I have like a I think
I'm I'm good at relaying a story and so so
I don't think I'm going to be someone who comes
(42:50):
up with fucking I don't know, Lord of the motherfucking Rings,
but I do think or succession. But I think that
I'm a good essayist, and so I love writing essays
and I love having a pot like I love reality.
I love that, I love the truth of human beings.
I'm obsessed with our motivations, why we do things or
like I think the reason I love being in Europe
(43:10):
so much is because or New York is because you're
immersed in humanity all of the time, whether you want
to be or not. Whether it's someone farting in your
face on the train, or it's someone you know, it's
it's you know. I sometimes this is so wrong, and
I shouldn't admit it because it's such a bad thing
to say, but fuck it. I follow people all the time.
I follow them when they're on the phone and something
(43:31):
really juicy has been said. I want to know how
it ended. So I'll just take a detour in my
walk with my dogs. Because no one showed up for
his birthday weekend and he's reading everyone for filth. I
want to make sure he's okay and he got all
his words out, so, you know, I just I'm eavesdropping
all the time. I'm a nosey, creepy little bit.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
I love that I relate to that entirely.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
You know, sometimes my wife and I will be at
a restaurant and something will happen and all of a
suddenly it gets lad and she's the same way.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
We just stopped talking. Yeah, love, we just start listening.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
And then I love that everyone else thinks you're in
a bad marriage.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
You know what I mean, having a conversation.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
People don't have anything in common with each other, and
it's like, actually that James wrote this lyric that summarized
both what soulmates we are, but also what horrible people
we are, which was, let's go home and talk shit
about everybody. Let's go home. Finally, I'm going to send
you this song because I think you'll really like it.
But it's because his favorite moment of any party is
when we get in the car and gossip. Yeah, it's
(44:32):
just like it's such a bonding thing to do.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Well, that's what I love about you because everyone's like, oh, gossip,
it's it's it's sort of there's it's negatively it's negatively connotated.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
But you're like, fuck that. I love gossip.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
I love it. The reason my hair is so long
and thick. I'm obsessed my hair is so long because
it's full of secrets. But I never give away. I
never give away the secrets of my friends. No, I
give away the secrets of my enemies.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
But could you destroy people's lives with the things you know.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Really, yeah, I can't wait to get dementia.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
It's going to everyone fucked.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
When I still when I when I don't know how
to keep a lid on it.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Which you are, You're already trying to keep that lid
on it. I mean, who's his kidding? Like you were that.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
Lid By the way, I feel the same way about you.
We were both Lucy guy. The second we met, I
feel like we bonded over. Hey, who do you hate?
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Right?
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Well, this is a bunch of bitches in the snow
and cos.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
And it was fun as hell. Jam Jim talking about
your podcast. I was supposed to be on it. The
timing didn't work out in La, but I'm going to
be on it talk about it.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
Yes, I have a new podcast. It's a comedy disaster
podcast called Wrong Turns, and it's basically just that, you know,
when life gives us lemons, not all of us make lemonade.
Some of us just you know, develop a hiatal hernia
in aroesophagus. But it's about all of the disasters that
have happened to me and to all of my favorite
(46:05):
funny people from around the world and are hilarious stories
in the audience, just about the worst decisions we've made,
the worst things we've ever done, that have no silver lining,
no great pearl of wisdom shoved up your ass.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Guest bringing their own stories.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
Yeah, it's just it's where dignity goes to die, and
we all just marinade in our own horror together. And
that's why people seem to love it, because it gives
them thirty minutes of just feeling smug and better than us.
And I think that that's the gift that the world needs.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Right And have you had some guests reveal some things
that they have never revealed?
Speaker 3 (46:37):
Yeah, we all saw a side of Simon Pegg last
week we didn't and Adam Pally, Yeah, Jordan Firshman, all
these hilarious people May Martin above the drag Queen like,
just hilarious people saying shit that we all swore and
believed that we would take to the grave but didn't.
We just shared it for the entire world to hear.
(47:00):
So if anyone wants to hear it, it's called wrong
turns with And.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
I've got to think about what the hell I'm going
to talk about, because.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
You have a lot.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
I have some stuff. I have some stuff. I hope
I get to see you soon.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
Same. You're genuinely one of my favorite scene partners I've
ever had, Like, I had such a blast working with you.
You're such a fun, ridiculous man. I'm a very generous
actor and improving dumb shit to do with you one
of my favorite experiences on that shoot, or on any shoot.
(47:40):
And so thank you, because every so often I get
a bit disillusioned by actors. And I don't mean to
sound like a massive bitch, but we've established by now
I'm a massive bitch. But I get disillusioned with actors
because sometimes they can just be the worst, you know,
and I don't think that's a surprise to hear for anyone.
They could just be the worst. And so it's like
the you know, if there is a universe or a
(48:02):
source or a gold or something. It's like, every so
often I get sent really good humans that make it
really fun and remind me why I love it, And
you're one of those people. So if I do another
acting job, it'll be because you. You topped me up until.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
We need to do how we need to do a
comedy me and you something outrageous.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
Something about gossip, something about a couple that loves to gossip,
and oh gosh, right exactly.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
That's not a bad idea. Well, I hope I get
to see you.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
I don't know when I will, but maybe one of
these days we'll run into each other.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Get again.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
We have a premiere and November. Friend, do you help
us if we do the press together? Oh?
Speaker 2 (48:46):
We will, and it's going to be crazy.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
Okay, they won't.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
They won't air any of it.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
They're going to air all of it, okay, right, and.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Then then we'll be in trouble.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
Yeah, yeah, that's it all right. Well, look love you
lots love to the family.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
Every baby, Yes you too. Tell James to say hello.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
I will.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
That's my girl.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
Jamal Jamil, Jamal Jamal jam jam h She was so
much fun. She has so much energy, She is so
irreverentd she talks so much shit.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
She has no filter whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (49:20):
If you know who she is, you already know that
her podcast is hysterical. You must check it out. And
she's extremely talented and pretty much everything she does, she
has a substack that she writes. It's really great. Always
seems to be controversial because she's unafraid.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
That's my lady, all right. I'm out
Speaker 3 (49:40):
A
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
We wanted to do something that highlighted our.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are
a sibling.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Railvalry, No, no, sibling, don't do that with your mouth.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Revelry.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Oliver Hudson, Oliver Hudson, I've been saying my name a
lot lately. I it's a slow day. I had to
wake up super early and drop my kids off at
the airport. Getting that age.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Now where they're flying alone. You know, I think they think.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
They're all cool. The going back to LA They're doing
camp counselor stuff, which is good anyway. All that all
that to say, I'm just tired. O.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
YEI got it, had to get up at six with
the boys.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
But no reason to complain. I'm in beautiful Colorado looking
outside my window. The sky is blue, the clouds look fake,
the trees are green. So what am I? What am
I complaining about a little fatigue in my life? Summer
is coming to an end, and that's sad. All the
(01:40):
kids are back in Los Angeles and I'm taking about
a week under a week just to spend some time
with Milady solo mission end of the summer.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Just get our bone in. It's gonna bone it out.
It's gonna bone it out a lot. I'm gonna try.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Because when I try and then I get rejected, I
get upset, so then I stop trying. You know, it's
this vicious cycle. But I don't get rejected that much.
We have a nice boning atmosphere twenty five years in.
If you don't bone, you can't find home, you know
(02:21):
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
That was Hemingway. Hemingway wrote that, all right, enough of boning.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I'm sure we'll talk a lot about boning in this
next in this next segment with his next guest, who
I worked with on a Netflix show, call a Mary
little X Miss. I think that's what it's called. I'm
in the movie and I still don't know the exact
title of the movie. But we hit it off tremendously
immediately because she has absolutely no filter, as do I,
(02:52):
as I don't, as do I not, whatever the correct
English is, So please welcome into the show, Onto the show,
Jamila Jamil, what a babe.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Hi? How are you?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
I'm good? How are you? Where are you?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I'm in London, I was just looking through photos of
our movie shoot and what a cute couple we were.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yes, I just got those as well the kills.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
So for those that don't know, you go through you know,
they send you pictures and you can slash the ones
that you don't like or want. I'm way too lazy
to go through that shit, so I just I let
it ride. Nice, I let it ride good. Yeah, but
I did just do adr yesterday. So I got to
see a little bit and I almost threw up.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Great.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I can't stand looking at myself. It just makes me crazy.
It makes me crazy.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Yeah. Yeah. Ted Danson said that he cried the first
time he sort of saw the good place. So judgmental
of himself and he's so hot. It's so ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
No, I know, I know, Well, what are you doing?
I was just in London.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Why were you in London?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Well, I was there for six days. After the.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I was in Greece and we did six days in London,
and then I stayed because I did the American bake Off. Hmmm.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Do you think controversy follows you or do you bring
in controversy?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
I think I hunted out?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Do you hunt it out?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
I hunt it down? Rather, I seek it out and
then I hunt it down. I think it's I think
it's both. I think I think I I don't want
to be a controversial person, and in fact, I don't
really understand why I am deemed so controversial, why the
media try to frame me is so controversial. But I
am aware when I am poking the hornet's nest, I'm
(04:59):
a where that it's a touchy subject, and that doesn't
deter me. So I think I'm just unafraid of controversy
rather than literally courting it. But people make it seem
like asking for sort of equality is a really crazy
thing to do.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
But why do you think you're they're crazy? Well, I
know because I look, we're friends. Now, I follow you.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
I see all the shit that you sort of, you know,
stir up, and then I see you know, you posting
things and this and that, and you know, sort of
pleading your case. Essentially, you're saying, well, here's the truth,
here's the reality of all of this. But why do
you think you're a target?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Because I threaten massive institutions, and I think I threatened systems,
and because I'm a decent communicator. I sometimes have been
proven to inspire other people to also use their voices,
and that can be very dangerous when it comes to
disrupting or dismantling power. And so they want to make
(05:56):
an example of those of us who stand up and
speak loudly so that other people won't want to do it.
So if they, you know, humiliate you, or lie about you,
or take things away from you, then other people will
be deterred from following in your path. And so I
think I just fly a little too close to the sun.
But that's okay, because you know, I never planned on
(06:17):
this career anyway, so it's inevitable it's going to you know,
we'll go down in flames.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
But how did activism? First of all, do you consider
yourself an activist?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
No?
Speaker 1 (06:27):
No, okay, that's what I thought. I knew that, but
I'm really the audience right now we use that word?
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Do we give that word? No?
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Exactly define, define potentially what you feel that you are.
And then what activism is or what an activist is?
Why is that word? So it's kind of diluted now.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Well, because it's trendy. It became trendy after that to movement,
and anyone who said anything that went against the current
was suddenly named an activist and deemed an activist, and
a lot of people in our industry believed it.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
And.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I think think to be called an activist, you have
to be an actual organizer, who's taking actual risks, who's
on the ground without the privilege and protection to know
it's fundamentally going to be okay if you take this
stance or you make this you know, make the stand.
And so I would call myself and the rest of
(07:20):
us privileged fools advocates. You can advocate for a cause,
you can signal a cause to other people and highlight
other great voices, but but to deem myself an activist
when I'm posting from my movie trailer, it's bowel business.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
It's foolery.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Well, this is why I love you, because you have
your your head is on't very very straight. It feels
like there's no hypocrisy with you in any way.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Well, I'm very old. I think if there was, I've
hopefully straightened most of it out.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
What do you mean you're old?
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Forty and forty?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Okay, Well, you're all so old.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I am and I just saw it like yesterday when
I was watching our scenes.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Don't you love it? Though?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
No? All, no, no, I don't. I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
The funny thing is, there are some where I'm like, ah, look,
I'm not even paying attention to performance this point. I'm
not even really watching a scene. I'm just seeing my
face pops up. I'm like, wait, why since when did
I have jaundice? You know, I'm like, what the fuck happened?
Why am I yellow?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
That's just because you're white stuffing next to me?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Probably, And then there's scenes I'm like, look, all right,
you know fits skin tones there, and then boom, next
scene You're like, what the fuck.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Is going on?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I think you've been in La too long and you
need to get the fuck out. I'm here. I'm in
Colorad right but I'm in England right now, and we're
all rough as shit over here, and it makes you
feel sane. You know, everyone's face is moving, Yeah, everyone's
dyed their hair the wrong color. We don't brush our teeth,
but we don't even floss in movies. You know how
(09:03):
Americans are always flossing in movies. We don't even perform flossing.
It's not a part of our culture. You're toothless, we're
all hungover, we don't eat right, we order fries with
every single meal, including breakfast. It's just it's it's a
it's a lovely normal ground to be so I think
(09:25):
you just need to get out of Airbrush City.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
But why, but why? But why is London still like that?
Are the English still Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Look, we're not impenetrable, you know, because we're the Internet.
But it's just you've walked around the streets here generally
like to be polished is to be boring.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
But I never understood the teeth thing. I don't get that.
Why why?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
I think we just can't be asked. We're busy, we're
busy abusing our bodies. You know, it's not it's we
go too far with it right, you know, like the
fact that if if you were to order a salad,
people would think you're dying, genuinely concerned if you order
a salad for a meal. But I think we just
(10:16):
don't care. I don't think it's I think it's still
frowned upon to be concerned with your appearance, which is
a different type of snobbery, but it's one that makes
you feel less self critical, like the difference in our
actors here versus in America is insane. Like in LA
I feel like a lot of our actors look like
they're straining for a poo when they're trying to cry
(10:38):
because of their faces and so frozen we'reas in England,
we all look sort of more haggard and very emotive
and expressive. And also so much of our stuff is period,
so you can't have your lips done to be like
my Lord wherefore, because it would look fucking crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I think it's just a different culture, you know. I
think it's it's just different. But I think if you
get out of where you are, you'd realize you're a
London eleven.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah, Well I loved it, My kids loved it. We
had a blast. The weather was amazing though, so we
had fun there. We saw a lot of really nice
teeth too, by the way.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Were they your own? In the mirror?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah? There?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
But you said that you didn't want to do this right,
You didn't want to be an entertainer, you didn't want
to get into this world.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, so how did that happen for you?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I was an English teacher and I was street scattered
at a pub by a producer who thought I was ridiculous,
and he said that I should be on television and
I said I would never be on television. I was,
you know, I was very up my own ass, in
my snobbery. And then he said it was one thousand
pounds a day, and without hesitating, I was like, please
give me the email. And I emailed in like a
(12:00):
cover letter and a really daft picture of me dressed
as like an old Santa Clause. And then they asked
me to send in a video, so I sent it
a video and then they asked me to come in
an audition and I did and I got the biggest
youth entertainment job in Britain.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
How old were you I.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Was twenty two, almost twenty three.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
And so wait, up until that point, you were a teacher.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
I was an English teacher.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, you were in English. What grades were you teaching?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Crazy, isn't it because I'm so stupid? Oh no, I
was teaching English as a foreign language. And then I
was teaching teenagers English literature, having read very few books. Yeah,
I've always been a bullshitter. Yeah no, no, this is
how I am, you know, it's who I am. I
didn't know how to act. I'd never acted before I
did The Good Place. That was my first audition. It
was the first time I'd ever acted, you know, My
(12:46):
first time on set was the first day on The
Good Place. On a movie sale or a TV show set.
I told, you know, Marvel, I would be able to fight,
and then they learned the hard way that that was
a really crazy thing for me to say.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Mm hmm, No, No, I saw you try to run
on our show.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Oh, humbling times. Do you remember me on the sledge?
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (13:13):
We all thought I was going to die?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yes, yes, you thought you were going to die?
Speaker 3 (13:21):
No, you all did? I have you on video shitting yourself?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Did you want to be a teacher? Is this what
you grew up wanting to do? Was a little cool?
Speaker 3 (13:40):
No, I wanted to be a doctor.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Right, Well, let's go back into that. Like, first of all,
where did you grow up?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
I grew up in London and then Spain, and then
a little bit in Pakistan and then back to London,
and then I just moved all over London. There's almost
nowhere in London that I haven't lived. I moved like
thirteen times as a kid.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Okay, and with your parents, with.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Your family parents, yeah, with my parents, with my brother.
I've only got one brother. I have like three half siblings,
but I don't know them. Okay, but my brother is
also my half sibling. But I do know him, and
he's you know, the love of my life.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
H that's right.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
I know.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
When did he become your half sibling? Were you? Are
you the oldest?
Speaker 3 (14:21):
No, he's ten years older than me, so when I
was born.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Oh wow, So it's an interesting age gap there.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
It is. But it was kind of genius because he
was old enough to be really excited to have a buddy,
you know, and he he just loved, loved the shit
out of me the second I was put into his arms.
And my mum had done something very smart, which is
to tell him all throughout the pregnancy that this was
going to be his baby. She was, you know, creating
(14:51):
a like a like his toy, his baby. So when
I arrived, he didn't feel threatened. He was like, my
gift has arrived. And he was so happy to see
me and cherished looking after me and teaching me things
and teaching me creativity and games. And I'm certain that
the reason I know how to act now is because
(15:12):
my entire, like really young childhood, was spent making up
characters to entertain my brother.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Oh wow, but did that Did he go away to university?
Did he leave at a certain time?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
You know?
Speaker 1 (15:25):
How was that? Because then essentially you became an only child.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
He left when I was six or seven, and I
didn't know until we got to the airport because everyone
was so scared, because everyone knew I was completely obsessed
with him, and I would follow him everywhere as a
veltcro sibling, and he would let me because he's very cool.
And then they told me at the airport as he
(15:51):
was going through the crossing, and it was like Sophie's choice.
I threw a tantrum that has never been seen before.
He threw I'm amazed, I'm ever in that back, but
I lost my shit. It was properly like a film.
It was like he was never It was like he
was going away to war. I was never going to
see me again, because at that age you don't know,
you know, you have no concept of time, and to
spend a day without him would have killed me. But
(16:13):
to know that he was leaving to move to another country.
He moved to Spain with my grandmother because that's where
she lived and that's where we'd partially partially grown up.
And it ruined my life.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I mean, how did you You're six years old. Very
resilient children are, but how do you square that? And
then when did you? Guys reconnect again?
Speaker 3 (16:39):
We stayed in touch, but it became harder as I
went through my teens without him. You know, we went
our separate ways for a really formative period of time.
So it was really as adults that we became super
close again.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
So there was a bit of a separation in the
sense that he was, Yeah, there.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Was a separation. He was off doing his thing, and
and that distance felt really far away. We didn't have
the money to go out and see him all the time,
so you know, I was able to go and stay
with him, like one time when I was eight, and
it was the best I think it was the entire
best week of my childhood where I was just allowed
to just go and be just me and him, and
I remember on the final day, I was sobbing because
(17:18):
I had to leave. And then he played and it
was raining outside and his room overlooked the sea, and
then he played here comes the Sun. That was the
week he introduced me to the Beatles, and he was
playing me the Red album and the Blue you know,
the compilation albums, and he played here Comes the Sun,
and all of a sudden, the sun came out and
all the rain went away, and it was one of
(17:39):
those like kind of core memories of magic. And that
was when I became obsessed with the Beatles, which I'm
still obsessed with now. James keeps begging me to stop
buying Beatles memorabilia for our shared home, and yeah, my
esthetic in our home is like a foreign exchange student.
(18:00):
But yeah, that was very painful. Then after that, you know,
I just grew into my own very isolated person like
I didn't really make friends after that, partially because I
was so weird and he was the only person who
understood me, but also because he sets such a high
bar for companionship. You know, I had the greatest best
friend of all time who used to like, this is
(18:20):
how thorough my brother was. Like he would create universes,
not just games. He would throw me in a he
would throw me in a sleeping bag the wrong way,
so headfirst, and then he would put on a hair
dryer and then roll me around on the floor, so
I would think I was traveling through space and time
and I was in a rocket. And then he would
(18:41):
pick me up, put me in like a washing you know,
the washing basket, and then drag me like you know what,
felt like warp speed. And I'm still in the blanket.
I still can't see anything. So he's dragging me through
the apartment and then I land in a room and
he's had it covered in tinfoil. He's covered everything in tin.
So now I know we're in the future. And he
would tell me that my parents weren't really my parents,
(19:02):
they were aliens. That really fucked me up.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
But he was so cool and creative. You know, he
ran into a fire to protect me like my parents
didn't and he did really Yeah, they stood there frozen.
There's like, you know, this air conditioning unit in Pakistan
that's caught fire, and he ran into the house, into
a room that was on fire and got me.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
So I owe this motherfucker forever.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
But when did you reconnect to where you got close?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
You know, really close?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Probably in my twenties, And then how did that happen?
You guys just grew up?
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Well, I moved near him. I moved near he moved
back to England. I moved in literally around the corner
from him, and so we saw each other all the time.
And I think, I think you just like you get
I think you and Kate have this like sometimes you
don't have any chemistry with your sibling, and sometimes you
just do. And it's like the universe just plopped one
of your soulmates into, you know, out the same purse,
(20:05):
you know. Yeah, yeah, it's ideal.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
And so I have nothing in common with you know,
the rest of my family, but my brother is like
one of my exact identical sense of humor, Like he's
kind of my parents.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
He shaped me, he did, he raised you a little.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yeah, and with your other halves, is it is it
just just doesn't work. It's just sort of eh, I mean,
or is there animosity there or is it just sort
of like it just it wasn't. We didn't connect, and
it's simply I think we just.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Never were around each other, so we never connected. And
they were way older than me. The youngest one of
them was sixteen years older than me. Okay, and I'm
from the second marriage, So you know, I don't think
anyone was trying to get to know the baby from
the marriage that their mother was left for, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
What I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, And what was your
what was your childhood like? Was it strict? Was it creative?
Were you free and independent? Was was there a cultural
aspect to it? It was weird.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
It was like sort of socially bohemian. You know, I
didn't like my parents are very western. They were not
trying to practice our culture at all. Like they didn't
teach me and my brother the language, they didn't we
didn't eat the food, we didn't listen to the music.
So we were very much so like a westernized Asian family.
Becau was so much racism that my parents faced when
they moved over. I think they were both maybe a
(21:29):
bit traumatized, so they desperately, like they spoke in such
like like cut glass fake British accents, very exaggerated, you know,
when they would speak to white people on the phone,
and then an Indian accent they speak to Indian people
on the phone, so they Yeah, so it was we
were very much so like it's steeped in white British
culture and American culture, like so much American music and
(21:52):
American movies and then and and you know they were
they were sort of you know, they were loosey goosey
people in that way. But they wanted me to be
very very academic because academia is just like very very
intense in South Asian household. So there was a lot
of pressure on me to be very academic, to compete
(22:13):
with my cousins, the very competitive like families that I
come from.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
And how did you take how do you take to that?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
I don't know because there was nowhere I wasn't like,
discipline wasn't being modeled for me at home because it's
all like music and film. But I just still had
to excel. So I I think I just had to.
I just I just knew the pressure that was on
my shoulders to achieve and make my family very proud.
And you know, I've spoken about this for I don't
(22:40):
like to go into too much debt about it, but
I come from a sad family like I come from
a family of mentally troubled, abused people, you know, who
struggle with their mental health in all kinds of different
like debilitating ways. And I was aware of that from
as soon as I could understand, so I knew that
being funny or making them laugh, making the proud created
(23:02):
just a little respite through the tension and the mania
of my household. That was, you know, in moments, very
fun and entertaining but also terrifying. So, you know, so
I just got through it. You know, you just understand
as a kid what you need to do. And so
I made my entire identity studying. And then no one
(23:22):
fingered me till I was in my twenties by choice.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
No, he told me that story. You told me the
story of that moment, very very fun.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I didn't tell you about getting fingered.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
I think you might have.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
No, I didn't. I don't even remember. I just know
it didn't happen until I was in my twenties. Well
what are you thinking of.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Well, there was some sort of a situation that happened
later or way later on in life where it was like,
let's just get this over with.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Maybe it was losing your virgin.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
No, it was my first kiss. It was my best friend.
Because everyone was worried that everyone bought me the fourty
year old No, no, it's not I'm not a Hollywood child.
The forty year old virgin came out and I was
in my early twenties and everyone was scared that was
going to be me. So one of my best friends
(24:16):
just laid one on me, just kissed me, and then
it was done. And then I became a kissing maniac,
but just with him, you know. And so I've still
not really sown my wild oats. I've only slept five people.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
But that's not who you really are.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
No, it's just not I have no game, and you
know that now, you know it's not an act. We've
spent some significant time.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Together, No, I know, I know, but you attribute that
just to who you are, you know, I mean, yeah,
just you just but you found your man, you found
your guy.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Yeah, I don't know how well when he writes these
songs about me, these love songs, I'm like, is he
having an affair?
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Cannot be about me me?
Speaker 3 (25:03):
I think I told you when we were in Canada
together that that he wrote this song with Travis Scott,
you know, who at the time was dating his baby mama,
Kylie Jenna, and she's very like sexual and he was
singing like, you know, Travis is singing about Kylie, and
James is singing about me, and and Travis is like
air is better than a beach, and then he's talking
about her peach and he's just being really like raunchy,
(25:26):
and then James's lyrics, she's a very nice person. Yes,
it's like just just being like just dunked in humble pie,
but that is who I am.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
It's amazing how you have found someone and he has
found someone who you just understand each other. And it
sounds like you live very sort of independent lives in
the best possible way because you were not you were
not relying on each other necessarily. You know, we love
each other and want each other and want to be
with each other, but at the same time, you know
(26:15):
there's some ease to what you guys do.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
It's different, different than most relationships. Would you would you
say that's true?
Speaker 3 (26:23):
I don't know. I don't know if I'm aware of
too many other relationships. I know that we're best friends
and we're obsessed with each other, so that's just really nice.
And I know that he treats me incredibly well. We
treat each other very very well and with lots of respect,
and we are a full team. And we've been a
team pretty much since the minute that we met, even
when we want to kill each other. It's we're still
a fucking team. And I think I think I can
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also credit my brother as to why I was looking
for a gentleman in my life. My brother's a proper gentleman,
like old school gentlemen, like to the point where for
a while he started dressing as like a Victorian gentleman,
and he took it far. But that was very chic
in London, you know, in the like naughties and nineties,
(27:06):
you know, none of us. I was thinking the other
day when walking through the park in London, I was like, God,
if an alien landed here right now, they would have
no idea what year this is, because everyone is so
dedicated to and we don't just like have a nod
to another era. You have like nineteen year olds who've
never seen anything from the seventies dressed like full like
full Dylan vibes. You know, it's very very funny. But anyway,
(27:29):
so my brother was the like the most gentlemanly person
I've ever met, and I think I always looked for
that in partners as someone who was very very kind
and had great manners and and was old fashioned in
that way.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
You know, I've never.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
I've never really dated disrespectful. I've never had an attraction
to disrespectful people, thank god, because God knows, Hollywood has
trained women to look for disrespectful bad boys.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like me, gone quite well for you?
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I'm doing great and I'm doing very very well.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
But you're not a bastard.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
You're no, not at all, of course I am. Come on,
how did that start? How did the relationship start? Was
it slow and steady? Because you know, and and by
the way, how much is humor play in to this?
Because you're very funny obviously. You love to laugh, you
love to make people laugh, you love shock value, I
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reverence all of these things. So you have to find
someone that can match you.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Yeah, silliness has got to be the only way I've
survived this relationship because I'm sure that if I didn't
make him laugh as much as I did, he would
have left me. By now. So much about me is like,
it's not what he ordered, you know, It's just yeah,
it's what he ordered versus what he got. It just
hilarious to me. But I think humor was a massive
(29:01):
part of it. We met, we start, we were friends first,
so not too quickly, and then we we did kind
of accidentally move in with each other because he came
out to Los Angeles just to visit for five days,
and you know, we weren't seeing each other, and then
he stayed for ten years, so you know, he was
just staying in my room and I had a you know,
flat share with another roommate and we just lived there
(29:23):
for about a year and a half and then we
got our own place. So we lived together pretty much
from as soon as we started shagging, but we still
didn't say I love you for like nine months, and
we didn't we didn't really accept that this was a
relationship for eighteen months.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Wow, we were.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Very just like you know, we weren't shagging other people,
but we just weren't taking it seriously because he was
twenty six and he was a musician and actual victorious
secret like legit, literal women who have wings are trying
to have sex with him. I have no wings. Women
who have like beauty crowds. I have a burger king crowd, right,
you know. Like so so I was ever like, oh, yeah, no,
(30:01):
we're going to be together forever. And then after about
eighteen months we realized we really really didn't want the
other one to shag anyone else, so we just kind
of made an official commitment to each.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Other after eighteen months.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
After eighteen months, yeah, that's when we really took it
seriously and realized, oh shit, I actually really fucking love you.
I'm so annoyed, you know, because I was supposed to
have my hoe fase. You know, I'd been waiting my
whole life for this ho phase. I was like, I'm
about to be thirty, I'm moving to California. I'm gonna
be a big old slat. I love it. And then he,
(30:34):
you know, he come.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Ah, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
I know.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Well we comet blocked each other, you know, and that's it.
So and now I think we're gonna probably go the distance.
We're going to try to go the whole distance. We're
not married, but I told you that your mum inspired
one of my favorite songs of his. She gave an
interview explaining her relationship with Kurt Russell, and she said,
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I don't want to get married because I want to
choose him, you know. I just I enjoy the fact
that I could leave the house and go anywhere, and
I choose to come back to him, and I said
that to James when I was explaining why I never
want to get married, that I was incredibly inspired by
your mum. And then he wrote a song called Choose
Me On you know, very shortly after we started dating,
and it's some people's favorite song of his. So thanks
(31:22):
to your mum.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
It is true. It is true.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Though, what I mean Mary, what is what does marriage
actually provide you?
Speaker 2 (31:32):
What does it do?
Speaker 3 (31:33):
You know I told you my theory.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yes, but my mother was the one who said what
are you doing?
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Because I would get her jewelry every Christmas? And I
would show my mom to him, thinking about this, this
and this, and I brought her some jewelry, ring and
a necklace.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Whatever. She goes, why what are you going to propose
when you get her a ring? It's been three years?
I said, what are you talking about? Are you crazy? No,
I'm not going to get married. You're not married. It works.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
I come from divorce and that didn't fucking work. So
and then she said, well it's not you don't have
to get married right away. It's a symbol. Do you
want to be with her for the rest of your life?
I said, yes, Well, it's just a symbol. It's to
show her that you do. So then I went for it,
and then it spiraled me for the next two years.
I started to trip out. But you know, my mom
(32:21):
was the one who sort of made me propose. What
she did to put me at ease was just say, look,
you don't have to you don't have to get married.
Get married in four years if you want. But it's
just you know, so that's the She's the reason that
I even proposed.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Yeah, well look, I mean you you are the exception,
You're not the rule when it comes to marriage. And
I think James and I have kind of built this
superstition via watching what's happened to a lot of our friends,
which is that almost as soon as they get married,
a sexy X comes back. Someone only turns up at
work who's like everything they've ever wanted. And you're like,
(32:58):
oh fuck, do you tempt fate? When you stand there
and you speak directly to God and you say, like,
I vow to be with this person forever, its God
just like oh yeah, and so I So I've developed
this silly superstition that you know, I feel as though
James and I are flying under the radar, keeping a
low profile and not tempting the universe. It's like, please
(33:20):
don't send me, you know, someone tempting. Just leave me alone.
And we've been thus far left alone. And I think
it's because I know a couple who were together for
like thirty years unmarried, got married. He immediately had an affair, No,
never had an affair before. Yeah, total chaos, like potentially
on the brink of divorce chaos.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
And so I think I just think it's tempting the universe.
It's a stupid theory. I never said it was intelligent,
but it works for us well good.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
You know, I've never even to I don't think we've
ever touched upon spirituality.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
No.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
I believe in in things that are convenient to my life.
So I believe in karma because I love revenge.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
You know.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
I don't think about good karma. I just think of like,
I can't wait till you get your fucking bad karma.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
You can.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
I'm a petty person like that. And then I believe
in God. When I'm at the dentist, you know, and
I'm like, please, God, I swear to God, I'll stop
eating sugar, I'll start flossing. Please, if you just don't
make me like have a root canal, please God. So
all of a sudden, she's religious, right, So I'm you know,
I'm not going to be given any gifts by the
universe because I only call when I need something. No
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one wants the friend who only calls when they need something.
There's no other dedication, you know, or loyalty that I show.
So no, not terribly not just you know, no horoscopes,
no anything. I'm really just kind of you know, flying
by the seat of no pants.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
No pants, but you know, nothing bigger, no bigger energy, no,
no tapping into things.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
No.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
So coincidence is just coincidence that you know it just
life is basic sort of.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Although I'm I'm maybe, but I kind of, you know,
I do believe in pro noya, you know, pro noya,
which is the opposite of paranoia, when the universe is
is conspiring in your favor. Okay, So I never think
the universe is against me anytime anything goes wrong. I generally,
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you know, once the wound has healed, go, that probably
protected me from something else. It's also known as the
burnt toast theory. You know, you burn your toast on
your way to work. And then that makes you angry
because it's inconvenience. You can I you're late, but because
you were late, you didn't get hit by that car
or run into that X or something, sliding doors and
other great examples. So I think I think it's just
(35:39):
because I saw sliding doors that I believe in that.
So I just always believe I'm on a timeline. Yeah,
it's actually not a very good movie, but it's such
an incredible Yeah, I know, but I rewatched it. I
rewatched it recently for the first time in twenty years,
and I was like, this is a bit shit, But
the concept is so incredible that it doesn't matter, and
(35:59):
the performance are all good. It's just not particularly well written,
and you don't you kind of know that they just
didn't need to write it that brilliantly because the concept
is such a like runaway hit.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yes, okay, that's fair. I'm sort of on your page.
You know, I'm not a god.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
I'm just not a deep thinker, you know, that's what
it is.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I don't believe that. Sometimes I feel like you sell
yourself short. I sometimes you I feel like you use
your bluster to sort of deflect from your depth.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Sometimes I don't know, I might be a puddle.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
That's just me knowing you a little bit, not a lot,
but a little bit. What is AILA's dan Love syndrome.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
It's a lack of collagen in every cell of my body,
which means that I'm like an elastic lady got it?
So like my arm is normal like this, but then
oh no, looks broken. So I'm just sort of very bendy.
I displicate all the time. I'm very clumsy. I fall
down the stairs constantly. I have lots of stupid health emergencies.
(37:09):
My heart doesn't work properly, my teeth are rubbish, but
my skin will never age. So it's it's weird. Like
my insides are the painting in my basement. So I
have the insides of like, you know, probably a one
hundred year old, but my exterior will never crease, which
is really crazy.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Wow. So it's like a bit double edged.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Yeah, I don't know, I don't care. I like wrinkles,
but I yeah, it's so it's it's weird. It's it's
weird to look young and feel so old. M hm,
because you're sick all the time.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
I know, I know, I remember, yeah, but you're such
a trooper that I just want to say, Jamila was
going through some shit.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Just a stomach bug or whatever the fuck was going on.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
No, it wasn't a stomach bug. I've got a hernia
working out with one of our coasts in my esophagus
because I'm so weak. Because he's made of muscle, and
the only way to he doesn't leave the gym. So
if you want to bond or hang out with him
and become friends, you have to go to the gym
to hang out. And so I brought I brought my
(38:17):
like I brought some pringles and a can of Fantera
as my electrolytes because I'd never, you know, been a
fitness person. So he immediately didn't take me seriously and
then kind of punished me for it by working me
out so intensely and hardcore, not in like a flirty,
wet like like boot camp. And he worked me out
so hard, and I'm so pathetic that I I got
(38:41):
in my food tube.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Oh my.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Diagnos.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
That was the That was the beginning of it, and
then it just escalated from there. But I never missed
a day and I was never late.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Did nudge me.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
It was unbelievable. She would I mean, just on death
door it scene.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
I would leave hospital, kill the.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Scene and then just leave and then come back and
leave the ultimate professional.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
It was an insane shoot. And you know, I fucking
went back to Canada recently to film something else and
because that was my first time shooting in Canada, was
with you guys. And then I went back to Canada recently.
I don't know if you saw this on the internet,
but I got bitten on the fucking eye by a
meat eating fly called a black fly. Didn't know they
have those in Canada, and it gave me some sort
(39:29):
of black fly fever, which I'd never heard of before.
Flies are so timid in England, but their carnivores in Canada.
It bit me on the eye while I was filming,
and my eye fully swelled up like a testicle. And
then I posted it but no one read the caption,
so they thought I'd been beaten up by James. And
it was chaos online. It was a nightmare because no
(39:51):
one fucking reads the cattle.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Oh my gosh, what's going on? Maybe maybe you should
go to Canada.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
I it's final destination, it is, But yeah, that's what's
wrong with me. I've got ailos down or syndrome. It's
it's incredibly not fun, and loads of people have it
and don't know that they have it, and that's really sad.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Yeah. Well, I loved working with you. I think we
had a blast. And you've been working more now, right,
I mean you've been.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Yeah, I've been. I work in people you're at.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Hesitant about, like Okay, I'm doing this gig, and it
was like do I want to do this?
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Fuck it, let's go do it.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
I haven't done that much since we spoke. I really am, like,
I'm not very ambitious. You know this now, people. One
of the things that drives me mad is that throughout
my career i've you know, especially I get this from
other women. I don't really get this from men, but
women will be so guarded around me, which is so
ironic because I love women so much, but they'll be
guarded around me and weird and competitive, and they'll think
(40:49):
that my whole like I don't know what I'm doing
is an act to try and get their guard down
so I can go in for the kill. But whenever
anyone actually then works with me, they're like, oh wow,
she really is just showing up for a vibe. She's
really got no design. Tore. I said to you that
I never want to be higher, like number six on
(41:09):
a call sheet. My sweet spot is like number six,
Come in, be fun, fuck off again, right. You know,
I really love I love this industry, but I love
it in little bite sized chunks, so I don't let
it define me, and I think it can be quite dangerous.
I think, you know, I was very lucky that I
was a journalist, you know, before I became an actor.
So my job was to interview actors and musicians and superstars.
(41:31):
You know. I got to interview all the most famous
people in the world all the time, and that was
my job, and so I got to see them behind
the scenes, you know. I'd go away on like four
day trips with them and do documentaries about them and stuff.
And I had never met a super successful person who
was really really happy, and I think that really marked me.
And so I was like, right, I'm gonna make my
(41:52):
metric of success fun, not not awards, not followers, not money. Like,
I'm just gonna make it fun. And so all my
jobs I pick are based on who I get to
have fun with. You know, I wanted to meet you.
I wanted to meet Alicia, I wanted to meet Melissa
Joan Hart. You know, so I took that movie without
even reading the script because I was like, Oh, I
(42:14):
love all these people. I want to meet them and
hang out with them for a month.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Would you say the written word is what sort of
inspires you the most? Or would you connect to the most?
Speaker 1 (42:24):
You know, I mean, what is it you're most passionate
about as far as your creativity goes.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
I don't know. I don't know if I'm an especially
creative person. I'm an essay writer, so I a writer though,
yes that's very kind, But again, I'm not super creative.
I think I'm a I think I'm good at documenting
what's happened. I think I have like a I think
I'm I'm good at relaying a story and so so
I don't think I'm going to be someone who comes
(42:50):
up with fucking I don't know, Lord of the motherfucking Rings,
but I do think or succession. But I think that
I'm a good essayist, and so I love writing essays
and I love having a pot like I love reality.
I love that, I love the truth of human beings.
I'm obsessed with our motivations, why we do things or
like I think the reason I love being in Europe
(43:10):
so much is because or New York is because you're
immersed in humanity all of the time, whether you want
to be or not. Whether it's someone farting in your
face on the train, or it's someone you know, it's
it's you know. I sometimes this is so wrong, and
I shouldn't admit it because it's such a bad thing
to say, but fuck it. I follow people all the time.
I follow them when they're on the phone and something
(43:31):
really juicy has been said. I want to know how
it ended. So I'll just take a detour in my
walk with my dogs. Because no one showed up for
his birthday weekend and he's reading everyone for filth. I
want to make sure he's okay and he got all
his words out, so, you know, I just I'm eavesdropping
all the time. I'm a nosey, creepy little bit.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
I love that I relate to that entirely.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
You know, sometimes my wife and I will be at
a restaurant and something will happen and all of a
suddenly it gets lad and she's the same way.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
We just stopped talking. Yeah, love, we just start listening.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
And then I love that everyone else thinks you're in
a bad marriage.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
You know what I mean, having a conversation.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
People don't have anything in common with each other, and
it's like, actually that James wrote this lyric that summarized
both what soulmates we are, but also what horrible people
we are, which was, let's go home and talk shit
about everybody. Let's go home. Finally, I'm going to send
you this song because I think you'll really like it.
But it's because his favorite moment of any party is
when we get in the car and gossip. Yeah, it's
(44:32):
just like it's such a bonding thing to do.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Well, that's what I love about you because everyone's like, oh, gossip,
it's it's it's sort of there's it's negatively it's negatively connotated.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
But you're like, fuck that. I love gossip.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
I love it. The reason my hair is so long
and thick. I'm obsessed my hair is so long because
it's full of secrets. But I never give away. I
never give away the secrets of my friends. No, I
give away the secrets of my enemies.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
But could you destroy people's lives with the things you know.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Really, yeah, I can't wait to get dementia.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
It's going to everyone fucked.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
When I still when I when I don't know how
to keep a lid on it.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Which you are, You're already trying to keep that lid
on it. I mean, who's his kidding? Like you were that.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
Lid By the way, I feel the same way about you.
We were both Lucy guy. The second we met, I
feel like we bonded over. Hey, who do you hate?
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Right?
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Well, this is a bunch of bitches in the snow
and cos.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
And it was fun as hell. Jam Jim talking about
your podcast. I was supposed to be on it. The
timing didn't work out in La, but I'm going to
be on it talk about it.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
Yes, I have a new podcast. It's a comedy disaster
podcast called Wrong Turns, and it's basically just that, you know,
when life gives us lemons, not all of us make lemonade.
Some of us just you know, develop a hiatal hernia
in aroesophagus. But it's about all of the disasters that
have happened to me and to all of my favorite
(46:05):
funny people from around the world and are hilarious stories
in the audience, just about the worst decisions we've made,
the worst things we've ever done, that have no silver lining,
no great pearl of wisdom shoved up your ass.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Guest bringing their own stories.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
Yeah, it's just it's where dignity goes to die, and
we all just marinade in our own horror together. And
that's why people seem to love it, because it gives
them thirty minutes of just feeling smug and better than us.
And I think that that's the gift that the world needs.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Right And have you had some guests reveal some things
that they have never revealed?
Speaker 3 (46:37):
Yeah, we all saw a side of Simon Pegg last
week we didn't and Adam Pally, Yeah, Jordan Firshman, all
these hilarious people May Martin above the drag Queen like,
just hilarious people saying shit that we all swore and
believed that we would take to the grave but didn't.
We just shared it for the entire world to hear.
(47:00):
So if anyone wants to hear it, it's called wrong
turns with And.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
I've got to think about what the hell I'm going
to talk about, because.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
You have a lot.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
I have some stuff. I have some stuff. I hope
I get to see you soon.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
Same. You're genuinely one of my favorite scene partners I've
ever had, Like, I had such a blast working with you.
You're such a fun, ridiculous man. I'm a very generous
actor and improving dumb shit to do with you one
of my favorite experiences on that shoot, or on any shoot.
(47:40):
And so thank you, because every so often I get
a bit disillusioned by actors. And I don't mean to
sound like a massive bitch, but we've established by now
I'm a massive bitch. But I get disillusioned with actors
because sometimes they can just be the worst, you know,
and I don't think that's a surprise to hear for anyone.
They could just be the worst. And so it's like
the you know, if there is a universe or a
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source or a gold or something. It's like, every so
often I get sent really good humans that make it
really fun and remind me why I love it, And
you're one of those people. So if I do another
acting job, it'll be because you. You topped me up until.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
We need to do how we need to do a
comedy me and you something outrageous.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
Something about gossip, something about a couple that loves to gossip,
and oh gosh, right exactly.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
That's not a bad idea. Well, I hope I get
to see you.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
I don't know when I will, but maybe one of
these days we'll run into each other.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Get again.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
We have a premiere and November. Friend, do you help
us if we do the press together? Oh?
Speaker 2 (48:46):
We will, and it's going to be crazy.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
Okay, they won't.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
They won't air any of it.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
They're going to air all of it, okay, right, and.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Then then we'll be in trouble.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
Yeah, yeah, that's it all right. Well, look love you
lots love to the family.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
Every baby, Yes you too. Tell James to say hello.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
I will.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
That's my girl.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
Jamal Jamil, Jamal Jamal jam jam h She was so
much fun. She has so much energy, She is so
irreverentd she talks so much shit.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
She has no filter whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (49:20):
If you know who she is, you already know that
her podcast is hysterical. You must check it out. And
she's extremely talented and pretty much everything she does, she
has a substack that she writes. It's really great. Always
seems to be controversial because she's unafraid.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
That's my lady, all right. I'm out
Speaker 3 (49:40):
A
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