December 16, 2024 • 61 mins
Sisters and sports reporters, Kendra and Malika Andrews are winning in the world of broadcasting.
They join Oliver to talk about how they BOTH landed one of the most coveted jobs on TV.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I am Kate Hudson, and my name is Oliver Hudson.
We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and
what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling railvalry.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
No, no sibling rival. Don't do that with your mouth, velry.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
That's good. This is gonna be a short intro because
I have my guests in the waiting room right now.
But I just wanted to say that I wish that
I didn't have as many sun spots as I do,
because I just have so many. I grew up in
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the sun like burning my face off, like with no
sun block coorse. It's like the seventies, and I've got
so many sun spots. And I'm only saying this because
I just did this movie. And there's one that appears
like right between my up on my forehead, like right
between my eyes, and I'm like, holy shit, what is that?
(01:18):
And it's a sun spot? And now they're on my
cheeks anyway. Oh and then and then this is what
this is where I was going. And then I'm playing
this part where I's be like really really tan and
they have to spray tan me and this spray tan
like sticks to these weird pigmentations on my skin. It
looks like I'm like blotchy everywhere. I don't know, I
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don't know I got it anyway, I don't know what
I'm even telling you assholes this. But I here's what's
more important. We got Malik and Kendri Andrews sitting in
the waiting room. I'm a huge basketball fan, so I'm
very excited to talk to these these ladies and see
how they grew up, how they got into sports. And
let's let's let's let's do it. Bring him in, Let's
(02:02):
have a combo. Hi, Hello, how are you guys?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Good?
Speaker 5 (02:07):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I'm good, I'm very good. I'm uh yeah, I just
finished a movie. I said happy Gilmore too.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Well, So that's a good thing to be.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
That.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
That is a that is a recipe for happiness right there.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Oh my god, it was so crazy. Anyway, I just
got home from New Jersey, but it was Yeah, I'm home.
You know. Now there's fucking candy everywhere everywhere. Okay, you
know what I mean. I did a liver cleanse and
it's doing intermittent fasting because I'm forty eight and I
drink too much. Laquer and I smoked him. An I'm
just like, I got to get my shit together, and
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it was great. I did about a month of it.
I lost weight, I looked great. I was working out,
I was doing pilates. And then of course I go
to New York, New Jersey to do this show and nice.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
And all everything happens in New Jersey.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
There's a bar at the hotel and all of a sudden,
I'm drinking again, and then comes along and yeah, and.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
Then you're going and getting a little left over a little.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
But I say, yeah, yeah, you know, I like my weed.
I smoke my weed, and I would be good with
not eating after seven because I just will.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Pay yeah, the inter minute fasting.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
But now I come home and I'm like, holy fuck,
there's an entire trade back of Rice Crispy treats stairs.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
So we lived in a neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
We moved in Los Angeles and we moved here four
and three, four years ago, and there's tons of children
in our neighborhood, tons and tons and tons of families
and children. And we moved from New York City, where
you know, the trigger treating scene is very like the buildings,
and that's kind of it. So we saw these kids
all over and we're like, oh great, like this is
gonna be our first like wheel.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
So we went to My husband.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Was so so excited. We went and got like bags
and bags of candy, and Dave was like, all you know,
sitting by the door like waiting for tricker treats to come,
and all night long, not a single trigger treater came.
What that's so set up with all the guys because
all of the children in our neighborhood are really conservative.
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It's a really conservative Jewish neighborhood.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
It's not their holiday.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
They celebrate other holidays, but Halloween is not one of the.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Jewish people tend to serve, at least in our neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Exactly.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
He was so sad.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
And then I was just sitting eating that candy for
like still four years later and now I'm just like
because we had those enormous bags, I know, I've.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Never think it's been amazing years ago. I was actually
I was on Fairfax and fair Fact there's like a
heavily heavily Jewish neighbor in Fairfax and I was going
to my car. I don't think it was Saturday, and
this guy comes over and he asked me to go
up into his apartment to open up his refrigerator and
turn lights off and stuff.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Oh yeah, because you can't turn the lights off.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I go in this in this man's apartment.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
Yeah, okay, you're like.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
That. That is in all of that, like that type
of humanity, that's where I find hope and like people
turning on lights for each other. Well, like you know what,
Like that is where I'm just going to choose to
even that goodness that still exists.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
We're all human beings. Can we just like love each other?
I know it sounds kind of crazy, but like we're
all humans at the end of the day, and we
all love, and we all feel pain, and we all
have our problems, Like why can't we relate on something deeper,
you know, rather than sort of policy or this or
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this or that. You know, I know it affects the
way we live and all of that, and that's okay,
But at the end of the day, can we just
kind of all find some love? Because really, who gives
a fuck about anything else in this you know what
I'm saying, that's is that.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
That Black Eyed Peas song, Where is Where is the
Black Eyed Peas Peloton ride the other day, Kender, have
you taken that yet?
Speaker 6 (05:53):
No, I've lost my Peloton account. You did blocking on
the peloton.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
I like, I've been thinking selling a Peloton bike. Honestly,
you're going You're on a gym kick right now.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
But the other day I went to the gym and
I forgot gym shoes and so I was halfway there
and I was realized I was wearing my lofers, and
so I turned around.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I love I love the peloton Like, I mean, you've
got Alex who's always been.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
It's great, you know, Ali.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
I used to do it like every single day, and
then I moved apartments last summer and I joined a
new gym, and then I.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Just was like, especially living alone, there's.
Speaker 6 (06:33):
Some days where I'm like, Wow, I haven't seen or
talked to another human being all day, and so I'm
going to the gym.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
I'm like, oh, there's my dose of being social.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
I may not have. You guys have delation pull ups, Kendra,
not the ones who you go up, but the ones
you go down. Yeah, there's the other day I couldn't
like lift my.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
Arms for like breathing. But you're you're my motivation because
you're you're better at those of the I am, well,
my goal to be able to do one singular pull
up and how close were you to doing that? You know?
Speaker 6 (07:08):
I did hulk out last week and just like fripped
one out and then I was like, oh, that's amazing,
and then I tried it again and I have it
with no band or not no band.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
I was just like standing around and I just.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Was like, how tall are you? I am five eight okay,
and you have long arms ish, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
I think are more legs than arms, but.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
You're more like, yeah, you're you're more You're more legs
and jokes that Malika.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Has t Rex arms and our.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Should be able to do like at least five.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I am still working on my one, but the band
has gone way down thanks to Kendri's pushing me, so
the band has gotten much later. And now I'm working
on the de Celebration one so I get that control
and age those lats.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Yeah, I'm working on that. Where did you guys grow up?
Speaker 5 (08:02):
So we grew up in the Bay Area, Yeah, we
grew up in Oakland.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
And were you did just you guys the only siblings
or do you have more. It's just us too, And
who's older?
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I am two and a half years Okay.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
She texted me the.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Other day and she goes, hey, you know that jacket.
Well first I was looking for her shoes for like
two months and.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
I was like, where are those shoes? And I texted her,
I said, do you at the end I have these
shoes that I've been looking for. She goes, oh, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
And by the way, that jacket that you were when
you were in town the other day, because you know
it's always cold when I go back up to the
Bay from Los Angeles.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
Uh, those air pods that you've been looking for, you left.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Them in the pocket and I said that was August.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
You let me buy a whole new pair.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
Literally, I had to warn that jacket in months and
I put it on, and honestly, one of the greatest
things about winter is when you put on a jacket
that you hunt more and you're like, you buy.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
Slip clos.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Right, sunglasses?
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, so I'll be getting those back at Thanksgiving.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
But yeah, we grew up in the barrier.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Our dad is a personal trainer, so that's where we
kind of get a little bit of the gym competition
stuff from and then our mom is an art teacher
and artist and art teacher. But yeah, we grew up
in Oakland.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
That's where you get your artistry and your commentary, right,
that's where you can get flowery and you can.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
My mother would be my mother would be nodding along. Yes,
would like that, but neither one of us. Did you
draw candy? No? I can't. I can't.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I was doodling the other day and I looked at
it afterwards, I was like, what is this?
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Yeah, I have one doodle and it's the same doodle
every single time.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
Then it's literally like I just draw a little like swirlies.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, and kind of like that is the isn't that weird?
We all have it?
Speaker 4 (09:54):
I have.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I do arrows, no idea why I just draw arrows.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
And it's kind of crazy when you're talking about people.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
As people that someone has the exact same two you know,
ten fingers, two hands that I do and creates what
you know Monette did and I can do it, and
it's like, oh, that's not great.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
But it's because I even feel like in some other
aspects of my life, like I don't know if you
felt this when you write a story or if you've
ever like worked on a project and you felt this too.
But like, sometimes I'll write a story, I'll do something,
and I'll look back at it a couple hours later,
I'm like I did Like did I do that? Like
there's no way that was my brain to my.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Hand, like because you're like I'm so brilliant.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yes, terrible, I'm sorry you are, but no. But but
in all honesty, you'll read it back or listen to
it back and be proud that your your energy was
the energy you were speaking on was like, Wow, you
can't believe this came from you. Oh my god, I
have that. It's funny. I'm an actor and I don't
think I've watched myself once and been like, yeah, man,
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that's great. But for some reason, not really, I don't
like watching myself. I mean there's moments where I'm like,
that's good, Okay, that was acceptable, and then I was like,
oh got it, look eighty five there? Oh god, that fucked.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
But don't you find that that's what happens, at least
for me when I watch it back. I watch back
a lot of shows that a lot of episodes of
of NBA Today and NBA countdown, And when I watch
it back the first time, unless it's really a train wreck,
I oftentimes, which isn't very often, I'm oftentimes like, oh,
you nailed that.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
And the more times I watch it back.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
The more sort of zoom in on the granular yea,
oh back quite right there. But the funny thing is
that's only how we watch ourselves. That's not how I
watch Kendra. When I watched Kicker do something, it's it's
the opposite.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
It's sort of like, oh, she nailed it. Yep, no, no, noe,
she nailed it.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I'm the opposite. I mean
it's a little different because you're trying to play a part,
you know what I mean, You're saying lines, you're trying
to you know, beat apart, you know, and I'm the opposite.
I go granular and then move out. So I have
to watch myself like ten times before I can actually
just watch it and be you know, just be objective,
just be like, you know, okay. But when I first
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see it, I'm like, oh my god, I'm like losing it.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
I know.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
That's why I don't really watch shit. I just did
a d Burymore show and it went, well, how was that?
It was great. I'm actually going to go back and
do it again. I'm going to do like five or
six of them.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
I think she's fabulous. And also they're like intercity on
the couch and you know, putting your feet.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
I was in a meeting earlier today with someone who
put their feet on the couch and I wasn't sure
I was allowed to put my feet on the couch.
And it was like a mental game backward that I was.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
Playing, like, you can't I put my feet on the couch?
Can I not? And She's just like, here's the permission
to be comfortable. A very cool interview setting.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
No, it was great. It was great at a couple
of segments, you know, because I basically I did Hollywood
Squares with her, and she asked me about I've known
her for a little bit, asked about a relationship question
know for herbs and data in eight years, and I
just sort of philosophized about men and women in relationships
and then you know, sort of infuse her life into
it and she and Drew's amazing. She says, Oh my god,
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like this weight has been lifted on my shoulders. I
want you to come on the show. So basically I
was on there as some sort of relationship guru, even
though my only experience is my own relationship and then
being in therapy for a thousand fucking years, you know.
But it was really really fun, you know, where these
women were calling in and getting a perspective from sort
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of a male who has been in and who's in
a relationship, and it's pretty candid in the way that
he speaks, meaning myself, and it went off really well
and it was fun. And you know, I one of
my great friends is Tay Diggs, and we've talked about
doing a daytime male talk show, meaning how come it
can't be men? You need to cast the right men.
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And you know, known Tay for a million years and
he's an extremely sensitive dude and very curious and unafraid,
you know, to be himself.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Oh the Rent was the soundtrack of our childhood.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
He was very much Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, So we were sort of trying to see this
idea with Druda.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Maybe one day, Kendra, any relationship advice, I'll see myself.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
So well.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
No, during when Malika got married, a dear family friend
of ours was the officiant and she has given not
just life advice.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
She has such just like an.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Amazing on life.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
And I've always told her she has given me some
of the best advice throughout my life. I've known her,
we've noticed since we were babies, and she gives amazing
relationship advice. And I was telling her this because she
was nervous about doing the ceremony. I was like, no, die,
like you give the best relationship advice, Like just just
give them advice, like you give such good advice. And
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during the ceremony, she literally says, she goes, I've been
told I.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Give really good advice.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
So anyone hear who needs some Malika and Dave at
the altar, but whip their head around and look at me,
and I'm.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Like, where is second?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I gave me the advice the other day. Actually, I was,
you know, kind of a little bit worried, you know,
the state of the world, the direction that we're going
in can where where is humanity going?
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Kindness? You know, how can that be on the forefront?
Speaker 2 (15:30):
And I was.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
We had breakfast the other day and she said to me,
but she I noticed her. She took her phone out
and she kind of like did this earlier in the
breakfast and she put it down and she said to me, well,
look at this, and she pulled up her phone and
she turned around and she'd taken a picture of a
man and his son who were having dinner or having
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breakfast kind of across from us. And she goes that, right,
there is what you need to hold on to, because
everywhere you look, there's going to be a man having
breakfast with his kid.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
If you look your life, there's going to be a couple.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Maybe on their first date if you look over it, like,
that's the way that she sees the world, and that's
the way that I think more people need to see
the world.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
It's amazing. I love that, And that's the.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Way that you should be going through.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
That's true. And that's not just similar to sort of
what I was saying. It's like we're not it's it's
not all going to end one way or another. You know,
people are still going to be going about their days.
Love is still going to exist, and it's sort of
how we choose to sort of where we choose to
put where we choose to put our energy. You know
what I'm saying, Like, it is what it is, it's
going to be what it's going to be but I
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love that there are going to be people having dinner, fathers, sons.
There's going to be tears, there's going to be laughter,
there's going to be joy, There's going to be all
of it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, and that's what you have to find.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
So we gotta I gotta tell you guys, holy shit.
But give me a little window into sort of how
you grew up in San Francisco.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
You know, kend you go, you're giving the Oakland, You're
giving us an open.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Because I want to get to sports athletics. I'm a
huge basketball fan, a huge Lakers fan, you know. But
I want to know how sort of all of this
evolved and how you guys got to where you got to.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
I don't you know, we grew up. So we grew
up in Oakland, which is about twenty five thirty minutes
outside of San Francisco, right old Abridge.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
And proudly do you.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Notice how we said we kindly slipped that in.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
But not San Nina. You're kindly correct.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
No, I think you know we grew up like a
It's such such a normal way, Like Malika mentioned, our
parents before a fitness trainer and artists art teacher who've
been married for you know, over thirty years, and they're
both burial locals.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
And.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
They just wanted us.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
I think they come from two different like families, where
our mom has this huge family, crazy loud, Jewish, rambunctious family,
and my dad is from a.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Much smaller, quieter, softer spoken family.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
But I think he always loved the craziness that came
with our mom's family, and so we were, you know,
just brought up in this again, big loud, crazy, everyone
in each other's business. But I think it made for
a very like, I don't know, fun loving life, Melika
jump in here wherever.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, I mean, in your relationship was from the get
always great.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
It's kind of wild to me.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Hender and I have always been close. We've been close
our entire lives, and so it's always interesting for me
to hear other people's sort of sibling dynamics, even people
i'm very close to, my friends Dave, the way that
they talk about their siblings, because for me, Kendra has
sort of always been. Of course, there were times that
I tried to suffocate her with a pillow because she
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was snoring. I didn't realize that if I put a
pillow over head to make her stop snoring, it's because
I was making her stop breathing. I'm still sorry for that,
but Evin, I have no idea my bad.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
But like Kendra and I have.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Been close our entire life, even when you know I
went to boarding school and was away from her for
the majority of four years, like we were close the
entire time.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
We've always enjoyed doing similar things.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Even when I was in a soccer phase and she
was in more of a dance phase or whatever.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
It was, We've always been really close.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
And so it's always really interesting to me when I
hear about siblings as being anything other than sort of
your soul that lives outside of your body, right, because
that's always what Kender and I have been. And then
we look pretty similar people used.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
To kind of do a little bit.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Our voices when you get us on the phone are
very very similar.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
When I plucked all.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
My eyebrows out as a kid, I buck all hers
out because.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
There's no way in hell she was going to have
a good friend I has done to me in my life.
Nothing is as bad as when she plucked my eyebrows
out of my face.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
She plucked your eye.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
The early two thousands, no one had eyebrows.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I remember.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Shout out, shout out.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
To Lily Collins really quickly because I feel like she
helped trailblaze the thick brows community in the blind side,
So thank you.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like the thick eyebrows. But then
they got a little too big, and now I like
where they're at.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Now we're in a.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Good eyebrows eyebrow. My point is I dragged her down
with me, she brought me back up with her.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Like, there's definitely a lot of that going on. So
Kendra and I have.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Always been really really close, to the to the point
that our group chat me Kendra and Dave.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Our group chat name is fave fam. And my mother
saw that at one point, and.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Even though it's just the two of us and we're
sip like, she was very affected that we could even
think of ourselves as like, she's my favorite her, she's
my baby sister.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Did you guys grow up It sounded like you grew
up with a very love with in a loving family
with very loving parents. Yeah. Right, So that is probably
one of the reasons why you guys are also so close.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
You know, I kind of mentioned for my mom.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
Our mom is one of four, and so she understands
the value of siblinghood and sister She's two sisters, one brother,
sisterhood through having that and how close he was. Our
dad's an only child, and he values sisterhood and siblinghood
through the fact that he didn't have that and he
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wants wanted us so badly to have that, just like
unbreakable relationship and the like the greatest thing that our
parents have always done is I mean set us up
for nothing but success. And I think only people agree
with me at some points. There are moments when we
were growing up is like, why are you doing this
to me?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Right?
Speaker 5 (21:59):
And it's very common for.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
Any adolescent, any child, is you're you're ruining my life
and what Then now, when we're sitting here in our
mid and late twenties, we can look back and say, oh,
that is exactly why, and we're so much better off
of it, and.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Yeah, fuck, I hope my kids say the same thing.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Kender would stick up for me, like Kendra would go
to bat for me when I would get into it
with my parents, which.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
In my teenage years I really really did.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Hendraw would like go back to my dad after he
literally took my door off. Remember but he literally took
and took my door off of the handle, and would say, like,
you know, oh she would she was always going to.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Bat for me, and so I think it's super.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Cliche, but growing up my dad would always say, you know,
your sister's your best friend. I would sort of roll
my eyes and say, no, name of insert name of
friend here is my best friend or insert this gal
I go to the mall with is my best friend?
Speaker 5 (23:01):
And fast forward.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Truly, you know, I Hendraw has so many friends. I
can't even keep up with anymore. Your friends left and right,
but I have a very small circle.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I'm like you, I have a few friends. I don't
know it.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
People are like, who's your who's your best friend?
Speaker 5 (23:16):
And like, does my sister cat right?
Speaker 1 (23:18):
You know, I have a handful, but she's kind of
at the top of the list. All the good and
all of the Our minds are also really similar. The
same things make us anxious. We like hyper fixate on
certain things.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
We both you know, so yeah, no, I know, I
mean my I've said this before, but you know, we
came from sort of a divorce, not sort of a
divorce situation where my sister needed me to be her
older brother, but I couldn't do it because I didn't
have the capacity to do that, you know what I'm saying.
(23:56):
And it fractured our relationship, but not in a sense
that there was an inciting incident. It was just the
circumstances and you know, only later in life did we
actually come together, yeah, and really sort of find each
other and fall in love essentially, you know what I'm saying.
(24:20):
But it took a minute.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
Yeah, I think something that had Amilika kind of mentioned
it before and it's and it could have I think
gone that direction what you're saying and what you're talking
about with your your childhood and growing up in relationship
with your sisters. When Malika went to boarding school, I
think that that could have been a moment because we
really I think there was a spam Aliko correct me,
(24:42):
but like for three four months we just didn't talk
because of the circumstances, and that could have been a
place where you really just well, I got to carry
on with my life. You need to do you and
we kind of went our opposite ways, and I think
in some crazy amazing way it brought us so much
closer together, and it like helped us build this bond
(25:06):
where we don't we don't need to talk every day.
Some people they're like, how's your Like how's Malica. I'm like,
she like I I we don't have these caps here,
like I have no idea onto her.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
I'd like to work. Sometimes they're like, oh, I saw
your sisters, Like, oh, how is she?
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Like, Yeah, we don't have we don't.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Have these great catch up conversations.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah. I love that. That's how my That's how we
are with my family, you know. And you guys are
on the road, you guys are doing your ship like
and and you know, my family's the same way. I
mean why it's in Australia. Kate's in New Jersey. I
was just in New Jersey, Kurt's in Australia.
Speaker 7 (25:41):
Moms over here, we're always working, So it's we just
know that it's the love is will always be there
and it doesn't have to be checking in all the time,
like hey, you know I love you.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
As you were talking, I just I realized I have
a two minute voice memo that I still need to
listen to from you that I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
I'll get back I haven't listened to it yet, my bad.
But every once in a while we get it into.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
That communication and it's it's that whole convers but it's
not it's never this recap of what's happened, what's going
It's just let's just talk in.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
Present time and what's on your mind, What's what are you?
What are you doing? What's going on here?
Speaker 6 (26:17):
But it's it's this, it's I don't know, we've just
I feel like I have this.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Is there ever any envy or jealousy, you know, or
anything like that? I mean there has was there any friction.
Speaker 6 (26:28):
I think as a younger sister, Like as the younger sibling,
there's always going to be a little bit of jealousy,
right like whether it's like why does she she got
to do this and I didn't get to do this.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Or she gets to stay out later that I do, or.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
Whatever it is. I think that there's always, but there's never.
I don't think that we've ever actually had a like
a full on sibling fight where things are like.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Not like an adult. I mean we've had you know, kids, what's.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Spray with me or whatever, but not as an adult. No,
But I think I will say, you know, we kind
of a boarding school, residential treatment.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
That's where I kind of was for four years.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
I did feel a little bit when I came back
because I didn't see you for the large part of
four years. Like I see you like maybe once, say no,
you're ish. It's sort of like you miss all of
this stuff that happens. And so there's a lot between
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the ages of twelve and sixteen, like you became a
whole person, and I wasn't there for it, right, So
I do think there is still whether or not we
talk about it, or whether or not I say this,
there's still a little part of me that feels like
I missed out on seeing at least every day some
of your most formative years.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
You didn't miss much about this, Like I, you know,
not say.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
We're going to be charging you a copey for our
family therapy sessions. But you know, I do feel a
little bit of that.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
And so whether there's guilt behind that or no, it's not.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
So much guilty.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
You were just doing what you were doing. You're just
living your life.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
That's true. But I do think there's a little bit.
I remember distinctly when Kendra went to her senior prom
something that I, you know, as a boarding school kid,
never did. I distinctly remember seeing that and saying to myself,
oh my gosh, this isn't the twelve year old that
I left. She's a whole person.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
So now you know, And when you're that close, when
you're as close as we are, that's weird.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
When it's when you're you know, siblings who just sort.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Of live in the same house, I think that maybe
that's fine, But for me, it was something that I
really said to myself, gosh, like, I I don't feel
guilty now, but I do feel like I'm missing something
and I don't want to miss anything else.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
So I think that that was a little bit of
that feeling.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Because as much as we described how close we were
and how much we did and how much our lives
mirrored each other, those couple of years, was the first
time we weren't the Andrews sisters.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
It was Malika over here and Kendra over there.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Right, did boys ever get in the way? Meaning like, oh,
she has a boyfriend, like taking me away from my sister.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
No, like all of us are like, oh, like there
was was, because I was like, man, I wish that
would have been kind of a cool I.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
Like playing back all the guys that we went to there, like,
I'm just like, oh.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
No, I like Kendra's boyfriends.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
But Malika, why did you go to boarding school? And Kendra?
You did not?
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I went to boarding school because I had some mental
health attitude.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
You did that I needed to.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Kind of confront.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
And so there was Kendra.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I always sort of wondered whether Kendra had some of
those same demons that I did, but they weren't at
the point where I had them, and so at least
at that time, right, And so I went to boarding school,
Kendra didn't.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Did you want to go to boarding school? Or was
this sort of like you're going to boarding school? I mean,
I got threatened with military school, you know. I was like,
you're going to go to military school. I meanwhile, I'm like, Mom,
You're never fucking sending me to military school. It was
too bad.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
My parents will make good.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
On that boarding school. I would have maybe gotten scared,
but I'm like, Mom's not sending me to military school.
Yeah she's not.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
My parents made good on that, on that promise, and
it was I recognized, right, it was it was serious
enough that I recognized I needed some sort of help.
I don't think I realized when I was leaving home
that I was going to be gone for as long
as I was and having to sort of do as
much work as I did.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Life changing would you say, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Mean it's made me who I am. Ye, right, certainly
certainly formative. Right, I was gone from fourteen to eighteen,
And so I think that that sort of Kendra was,
you know, you talk about sports and all these other things.
Kendra was sort of she likes to say that it
was her idea to go into this industry first, and
I could admit it was like she sort of in
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high school was going towards this, right, She was sort
of already looking towards this career path, and I was
just kind of trying to put one foot in front
of the other. I think in a little bit different
of a way. But I think later or right now,
when I say that we have the same sort of
worries and anxieties, and I think that we're much more
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similar in the way that we sort of think about
the world now. And so that's something that I think
brings us together to because when I say, oh, this
is something that I'm worrying about she goes, I got you,
I was worried about like three days ago, like this
is how you know?
Speaker 2 (32:06):
That was comfort in that camaraderie one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
I think we think about the world very very similarly,
and so I think that that helps us and the
way they talk.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
When you were when your parents were going to send
you to boarding school, were you upset with them or
did you understand at that time because you're so young.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
I think it.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Happened so quickly that there wasn't really time to sit
back and look at the thirty thousand foot view of everything, right.
I think it was.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
Something that.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Steamrolled so fast that it was not something that I said,
oh okay, because I wasn't given the opportunity to say,
oh okay, this is the four year plan. It was
sort of, this is the plan today, and you need
that sort of help.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
And I think explaining that to Kendra was also you.
Speaker 6 (32:53):
Know, yeah, I mean I think I think for probably
most of those four years, I didn't no, like I
didn't know what was going on because like as much
as I always, like Malika said, would protect her, and
as unhappy of a person you were when we were together,
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you were always happy, and so for me, there was like, well,
there's no signs that she's dealing with these inner demons
because we always have a great time. And also again,
like I'm twelve years old, it's kind of hard to
to start having these you know, topics that Luckily, over
the past however many years, like the topic of mental
health has become so open, which is important, but back then,
(33:38):
you know, this is two thousand nine ten. How do
you like explain You're explaining to your sixth grader, like
what depression is and what like how these things come about.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
It's it's you know, harder.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
And I do think that that also like directed me
on my own, as Malik was saying, like my own
mental health journey in a very in a very different
way saying I got you into therapy.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
Is that what you're saying, You're the reason why I'm
in therapy is.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Well, I mean this is really amazing a cool conversation,
you know. I mean, I've I'm on lexapro. I've had anxiety, yeah,
for a long ass time, and it's something that I've
been dealing with since I was twenty three or twenty four.
I'm forty eight years old. And you know, I watched
my son sort of suffer through it a little bit
(34:31):
for about month month and a half. I had to
take him out of school. I'm very versed in it,
you know, And for me it was about sort of
discovering where it came from through therapy, meditation, journaling. I
went to this place called the Hoffmann Institute, which was
really incredible, you know, going through this process of what
do I have to be? What's going on?
Speaker 1 (34:53):
You know?
Speaker 2 (34:53):
I mean, yes, I came from a product of divorce,
but life is pretty fucking good, you know what I'm saying.
Discovering sort of is it a chemical imbalance or is
this something else? And it was I guess a little
bit of both, you know, but just sort of unpacking
your shit and trying to figure out where it all
is coming from. It's it's it's arduous, it's hard, it's
(35:15):
not gnarally.
Speaker 5 (35:16):
And the other thing, too, is.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
Half of that of unpacking and learning the roots of
it and the thing that I've always struggled with in
my life. I always tell people, or if I start,
I've seen a couple of different therapists over the different
stages of my life, and now I can walk into
a session and say, oh, I can tell you exactly
the reasons.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
Why I am the way I am.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
I just don't.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
I don't do a good job at dealing with It's
the moving forward of I understand why and the way
I am. But the coping skills I think that's the
other half of therapy, and just getting to know your
mental health and your brain is like really really difficult
to do.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Oh my god, totally. I totally. And then we're going
to move on to other stuff. But I love this
is such a topic I love talking about. But it's
so true. And my wife said something early early on,
you know, she said, yeah, you see it. You understand
what your problems are, but you really haven't done anything
to try to fix it. I'm like, oh, yeah, you're
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kind of right.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
You know.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
The the question what's wrong is fundamentally flawed because oftentimes,
with my own journey through all of this, and I've
talked about it before, is that this isn't a beginning,
middle and end story, right, It's ongoing, and oftentimes there
(36:39):
isn't an answer. Kinder and we're kids, you know. She
would try to ask me, like Nika, what's wrong? And
I didn't have an answer for her, and I still
don't have an answer now because oftentimes there isn't a
moment or a thing that happened, and I remember wishing
at times for a simple answer to that question so
(36:59):
that I could explain what's wrong and so someone could
give me advice about what happened, and then everything moves
on and.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
It's just not that meat.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
But that's what's kind of cool with because we think
so similarly in that way. I think both Kender and
I have sort of this unspoken language that I if
you don't have that with someone, try to find it,
because like that's.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah, that's so great, and it's just so spot on.
I mean, I'm literally going through this right now where
I have this weird anxiety, not debilitating, but in my
throat and I'm like, what the fuck is going? Why yet?
And then just through you know, my experience with it
for years and years, I'm like, well, who cares? It's there,
(37:42):
and like just okay, accept it and live like I
don't know, stop asking so many questions. I guess, yeah, right, okay,
we did our mental health stuff.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I wish it was so simple, right, I wish you
could just crack it off.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
I'm good. We did that. Check everywhere. We're all healed.
Everyone's healed, perfect, done. I'll say about ball, how this happened?
You guys work? Are you work together on ESPN? Basically? Right?
Speaker 5 (38:10):
Basically on the days we're lucky.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
You know.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
It's so funny because.
Speaker 6 (38:16):
Like we going back to like our family are because
both of our parents worked growing up, but they still do.
And our family time after school after work was dinner.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
And then what NBA game is on?
Speaker 1 (38:30):
And let me paint you a picture.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
There were no.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
iPod iPads to watch your own individual movie after dinner.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
Netflix didn't even NETFLI Netflix.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
There was nothing.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
To have tap Buster. You had to go to Blockbuster.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
So you we had as a family to earn our
negotiating skills. Had to come to the table with what
it is we wanted to watch, and everybody had to agree.
And oftentimes the only thing you could agree to put
on the single t TV in the house was the
Warriors game, yeah.
Speaker 6 (39:05):
Or the San Antonio Spurs Spurs space.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (39:09):
The Warriors were not very good. I have a vivid
memory of Malika.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
It was a Warrior Spurs game and she couldn't decide
who she wanted to rock with more. So she wore
all silver and black, but then pretty heinous yellow and
blue accessories, and.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
I was like, Okay, this is a direct was this?
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Was this like the genoble Duncan was the.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
Genobdu Tony Parker Bob Yeah, iteration of the Spurs, the
embers of the dynasty of the.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Best most boring player to ever play the games.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
Yeah, Tim Duncan.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
So I think we kind of yeah, the big Yeah,
the big fundamental. So you know, I always really really
loved writing.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
School was a.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Place that you know, journaling, writing short stories, English was
my favorite subject.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
I really loved to.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Write, and I always knew that that's sort of a
path that maybe I could see myself going down, but
didn't really know how or what until I got to college.
And then I joined the school newspaper and the only
opening they had was in sports, and so I sort
of ended up on that path. Versus for Kendra, I
think there was a different connection.
Speaker 6 (40:25):
I also liked writing, and for me it was kind
of process of elimination.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
Like I went to a very hard college preparatory.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
School, and so they take you.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
Getting into college very seriously and they match you with
a college counselor what do you want to study?
Speaker 1 (40:43):
What do you want to be?
Speaker 5 (40:43):
And I didn't love school. I'm not good at math,
I'm not good at science.
Speaker 6 (40:48):
But I always liked the writing and the creative writing
at that point. But anyway, I was also so that
was one side of my brain and likes and the other.
Speaker 5 (40:59):
I just loved watching sports.
Speaker 6 (41:00):
And I remember like I would make flashcards about different
rosters or different positions, like I just really wanted to
learn about all these sports.
Speaker 5 (41:10):
I'm not a athlete myself, so and I think I might.
I was with my dad. We were either.
Speaker 6 (41:16):
Watching NBC Sports Bay Area or ESPN or something, and
I think it was NBC Sports because ros gold On Woode,
who's a black woman who was hired to be the
Warrior sideline reporter, and you know, we just didn't see
many women who looked like us on TV. And I
was watching Roz do her thing, and I looked at
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my dad and I said, Dad, she gets paid to
talk about stuff and about the Warriors in basket I'm
going to do. I think I was probably sixteen at
the time. I was like, that is what I'm gonna do,
and It's funny because my dad says, now he said
in the moment, he goes, yeah, Kendy, that's that's great.
He says, Now I was I thought you were crazy,
like of course, but no way you would actually do that?
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (42:02):
Yeah, world.
Speaker 6 (42:03):
But and so I went to college, no, like, I
majored in journalism, and the day on campus, I was like,
where's the school paper?
Speaker 5 (42:11):
And how do I get involved?
Speaker 2 (42:21):
So staying on your process really quickly. So you go
to college, and then was the goal? Was still that
childhood goal? Still the goal? Meaning like I went to
journalism school. Now boom, I'm gonna I'm going to be
on the sidelines at the fucking the ward.
Speaker 6 (42:35):
It's funny because I went through like a little bob
and weave of what the actual goal was, Like I
think I went to college or I first started to
pursue this thinking I want to be on TV. And actually,
through Malika, I was introduced to this woman Janie McCaulay,
who works for the Associated Press, and she kind of
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gave me my first taste at all this. But she's
a writer, and so my first actual taste of doing
this job was writing. And so I actually switched my
major from broadcast to written journalism, and I was like,
I'm diving into writing headfirst, and that's what I did
for four years of college. My first job out of
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college was only writing, which was great. And I think,
I mean, some of the best advice I've gotten, maybe
Milik has gotten. That Milik has given me is just
like how important writing is. And then for me, the
TV thing didn't really pop back into this might be
something I wanted to pursue until the opportunity presented itself
(43:39):
and then it was like, wait ooh, this does get
me a little bit excited. That's something that when I
first set out on this was exciting to me and
I was.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Interested in.
Speaker 5 (43:50):
Wow and that I never thought I would end up
covering the team that we.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
That's so amazing crazy And obviously you're a fan and
you're allowed to be a you don't have to be partial,
right or.
Speaker 5 (44:02):
Do you very partial?
Speaker 6 (44:03):
It's funny because being so close to them, like you
really do take the fan out of it?
Speaker 2 (44:08):
And do you do?
Speaker 6 (44:10):
And I'm very grateful to have gotten to experience the
fandom days that I didn't.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Laughing because I was just thinking about like if do
you think I was thinking about the phrase of how
the sausage gets made, and like, do you think that
people who make sausages eat sausages?
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Yes, they have to try.
Speaker 8 (44:29):
Like because I think at some point you get so
close to it, you see people as opposed to these
The thing about sports, which is so awesome and so
cool is I truly believe that sports, maybe movie stars
to some degree, are the closest things to real life
superheroes as you can possibly get.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
And sport it's so interesting because there is a physical
component to it, right. There is a ability that somebody
has Lebron James, Steph Curry, Serena Williams that most of
us do not. There's this literal power that you see
that you can play the sport, but it doesn't look
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the same when you do it as when they do.
It's sort of it really is. This hero thing that
happens in sports is so unique to sports, and I
think when you get to know the person, when you
get to know the people, when you see the wonderful,
wonderful things, when you see the works in progress of
an athlete of a person, I do think that takes
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away some of In order to be a fan, there
has to be this unbridled sort of reverence.
Speaker 5 (45:36):
That has to exist, and I do think.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
That naturally gets peeled back the more humanized someone becomes.
And so when you spend five, six, seven days a
week seeing a person, that person becomes human and less
of a superhero. And I think that that's sort of
where sports and fandom starts to interact. However, there is
nothing cooler than seeing our job through my father's our
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father's eyes, right, Like, that's when you kind of go
back to the fan piece of it. Because when he
came with us to the opening of the Valkyries, the
new Golden State Warriors, the new Golden State women's basketball team,
and Steph was there seeing him talk to Steph. Was
(46:19):
that seeing him come into studio when all of us
we all have get two jobs.
Speaker 5 (46:24):
Acting working in sports.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Their get two jobs, not have two jobs, right, You
get to go and do this, but it still work.
Speaker 5 (46:31):
There's still days.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
We're like, oh this is annoying, Oh my god, I
gotta go talk to this person.
Speaker 5 (46:35):
Oh why did I not forget this email? Whatever? The
thing is, right, you.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Get sort of jaded to the specialness in some ways.
So it's a really nice reminder when dad comes into
studio and it's just like, this is the coolest thing.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
In the entire bring.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
That when you're on a set all day, right, aren't
you sort of like all I want to do is
come home?
Speaker 5 (46:58):
Oh yeah, I want your kids.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Maybe you're like like it's a totally different thing.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
Yeah, yeah, I know that's that's so great. But but
hold on. If Steph hits a game winning three in
Game seven of the Western Conference Finals, are you on
the sidelight You're just like, okay, great and you were
are you not cheering?
Speaker 6 (47:18):
The thing is is, well, sometimes this is what I've
experienced with myself.
Speaker 5 (47:22):
I'm curious your answer, Well, to me.
Speaker 6 (47:25):
Now, whether I'm on my couch at Homeme, whether I'm
sitting at a game, if someone hits a ridiculous shot,
I will react. But it could be Steph, it could
be brawn over stuff. It could be Kevin Durant, It'll
be Joelle. And like, it's crazy when we when I
was watching the Olympics, right and Steph hit was overtem.
Speaker 5 (47:49):
You, I mean oh I was. I was yelling like
that was crazy? Right?
Speaker 6 (47:55):
But as so, like Malika said, it's the get to
versus half two jobs and those moments where you're like,
this job is so great no matter how many six
am flights. I haven't been home in two weeks, I
don't know what city I'm in, I don't know what
time it is, But at the end of the day,
I can watch a handful of the most incredible athletes
(48:17):
in the world do what they do. And then to
bring it back also to the fan thing of relate
that to people who still view these guys as here
is I think one of the special things that I
really do try and navigate my job with is the
fact that I have been that person obsessed with a team,
(48:38):
right I understand how important the Warriors are to the
Bay Area. And so when I'm trying to tell a story,
or even if it's a negative story, if I'm trying
to report news, what did.
Speaker 5 (48:51):
I care about as that person watching this team? What
did I want to know?
Speaker 6 (48:54):
And I try and hold that with me as I
kind of navigate my job.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Do you ever have to worry about sort of what
you say you know or you know as far as
how candid you can actually be? I mean, do you
worry about sort of saying the wrong things to both
of you guys? Where it's like, you know, that's what
I'm supposed to do. You know, you look at Barkley,
You'll say, whatever the fuck comes to his mind, you know.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
Well, can I tell you about the first time Kendra
and I were on TV together?
Speaker 5 (49:20):
Yes, on ESPN. It gets to this.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
So I remember when I was I was wearing white
and my hair was in a top where you were.
I remember, But I remember Kendra was coming on MBA today,
and it was in our first year of the show,
and something happened.
Speaker 5 (49:45):
It was it wouldn't have been.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
It was.
Speaker 5 (49:48):
You couldn't have seen it.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
If you were just watching it at home and not
looking for it, you wouldn't have seen it. But something
went wrong with the video or the toss to bring
her in, and it was something that was less than perfect,
but again perfect to ten.
Speaker 5 (50:01):
This was like an eight point five.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
It didn't rise to the level of, you know, anything noticeable.
And I bring her in and I say, uh, welcome
into MBA today. Our reporter covering the Golden State Warriors,
Kendra Andrews.
Speaker 5 (50:18):
Kendra tell me about Da da Da Da Da Da Da.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
She does her report and then afterwards I think I
said something because I wanted to be serious, right.
Speaker 5 (50:26):
I wanted to prove like we did co exist on
television together.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
You didn't want to be like hey exactly.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
But at the end I was sort of like this,
let's do this again sometime. And I remember we got
off that into the commercial break and I sort of
I went to my producer and I said, like, gosh, guys,
like I really wanted to nail this and we didn't,
and there were some things we could have done better.
(50:52):
And I just really feel like, again assuming the big
sister role, like I really wanted it to be like
perfect for her. And they were sort of, you know,
they work with me every day. We have this free
flowing feedback. They sort of said, I mean we hear you.
And that was pretty close. Like that was pretty dang good.
And now watching it back, it was totally fine. But
(51:12):
I had so much. I had so much, so many
jitters because I wanted to be absolutely perfect the first
time that Kendra was doing TV with me. I care
way more about setting her up to not say the
wrong thing to your than me, because of course it's
an it's a I think that the thing that I've
(51:33):
had to come to terms with is the hour that
you spend on television I spend on television every day,
is just a snapshot into our basketball fandom, not even close.
Speaker 5 (51:46):
To a full representation of who we are.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
But I think sometimes that can be a little bit misconstrued.
Speaker 5 (51:52):
And so of course there's the I wouldn't even call
it pressure.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
I would say the privilege of putting together a show
and wanting to do the best that you can.
Speaker 5 (52:04):
And of course I worry.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
I worry about every single thing that I say, because
I know that if I say something wrong, oftentimes it's
not attributed to a mistake that I made, but rather
my validity in being.
Speaker 5 (52:19):
There or not. But I care way more about it
for her than I do for me.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Yeah, no, no, I get that, you know. First of all,
I wanted to get your story on how you came up,
you know, and became what you've become, because you're the
figure there, and then we'll get to that in another time.
But I'm really curious about just being a female, you know,
in the industry, and what it took or if you
felt that there was a harder path for you guys
(52:47):
to get there, and is it harder for you to
maintain being there or are you pretty free and comfortable
in where you are as a woman in sports analyzing
basket ball where mostly men are taking on your opinion.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
Yeah, you know, it's a question that I think both
of us get a lot, is what is it like
to be this? It's the only thing I know, The
only way I know how to move through the world
is as a black woman, and that's how I walk
through every part of my how we walk.
Speaker 5 (53:23):
Through every part of our lives.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
And so of course there is some sort of weight
that I feel or responsibility to make sure that I
am leaving this for other people it should be easier
for them than.
Speaker 5 (53:38):
It was for me.
Speaker 1 (53:39):
I felt that with Kendra right, particularly because I came
to ESPN before she did, and so I wanted to
be a good reflection of what it is to be
an Andrew's sister. But I think that it's just a
fact there are fewer women in this industry than there
are men, and there are some people who are looking
(53:59):
to attribute your mistakes to your gender and your.
Speaker 5 (54:05):
Right to be somewhere.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
However, I will say that when I am walking through
an arena, right, and I've had a dad, there's a
picture of the dad took of his little girl who has.
Speaker 5 (54:18):
This adorable cheindra seen in this picture. So she knows this.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
Adorable big curly hair and she's standing in front of
the TV and she's pointing at me with my big
curly hair when it's out. And he showed me that
picture and he said, can we take a photo? I
want to show this to my daughter. And I broadcast
for that fan. I don't broadcast to prove someone wrong.
I don't go into a broadcast to prove to this person.
Speaker 5 (54:43):
Know you're wrong. I do belong.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
I go into a broadcast to show those people who
are looking for a reason to get more involved in sports, say.
Speaker 5 (54:53):
Yes, we can not. This is why she can't.
Speaker 1 (54:55):
And so I think that that's how you have to
choose to look at it, because there is so much
more of that, I think in the world. It's so
easy to get bogged down into this comment or this
like or this snapshot of an anonymous person on the internet,
but you can't. That's not the whack a mole I play.
I'm playing for them, not for that beautiful.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
I want thirty seconds on the Warriors in this season,
and then I want thirty seconds on my Lakers all right,
you get your Warriors.
Speaker 5 (55:25):
Go You're going to take Warriors first.
Speaker 1 (55:26):
Go ahead.
Speaker 5 (55:27):
Okay, we're as we're sitting here recording.
Speaker 6 (55:31):
They have a game here in just about an hour
and fifteen hour and five, but I mean they're sitting
at five and one. And the thing to my report,
the thing that they've been talking so much about is
their depth. And they play the last three games without
Stephan Curry, and they play the numbers, the point differentials
and numbers are actually almost better without him here than
when he was on the court, which.
Speaker 5 (55:52):
Is wild a really really great sign for this team.
Speaker 6 (55:55):
I think this next week is going to tell a
lot when they play the the.
Speaker 5 (56:01):
MAVs and the Thunder and the Celtics.
Speaker 6 (56:04):
But I think the moves the way I look at
them is they are a They're a better team than
they were a year ago today and under the circumstances
of where they were, that is all that Joe lacub
and Mike Dunleyy and Steve Kurr and Steph Curry wanted.
They feel that they have a lot more potential this year.
Speaker 2 (56:22):
But do you think Okay, small, very small sampling with
Steph being out though and watching watching them win without
him and seeing how the team can be cohesive without him.
Do you think that's an attribution to the team itself
or do you think not? I mean that that Steph
being away is allowing them to sort of.
Speaker 5 (56:39):
I think it's it's a cohesion of a team.
Speaker 6 (56:41):
It's the number of players that they play, and it's
the fact that everyone they put pieces together that complement
each other.
Speaker 1 (56:49):
Well.
Speaker 6 (56:50):
They found guys who can defend, they found guys who
can score. You know, you're looking at a guy like
Andrew Wiggins, who's playing, you know, a lot better so
far than he has the last couple of years. You're
looking at Draymond Green, who seems to be in a
really really good space pasically and mentally.
Speaker 1 (57:06):
Like all of those things add up.
Speaker 2 (57:10):
Do you miss Clay at all? Or do you not
miss Clay?
Speaker 6 (57:13):
I think clazy great guy, plays, a great guy to
have around. It was weird those first couple of weeks,
not like going into the locker room and his lockers
right by the door and.
Speaker 5 (57:23):
Turning and he's not there. It's very Mary, are.
Speaker 2 (57:28):
You there when that dude snuck in as Clay? Oh
my god, that was insane.
Speaker 5 (57:34):
Why we love THEA.
Speaker 2 (57:37):
Give me my Lakers. What's going on?
Speaker 5 (57:39):
All right?
Speaker 1 (57:40):
Your Lakers?
Speaker 5 (57:43):
Anthony Davis is averaging twenty five.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
Points, just over twelve rebounds, and a little over three
assists a game. You want the team to play through him.
So far they are. That is translating to winning. Of course, yes,
losing to the Cavaliers. Fine, the Cavaliers are correct at
the time of recording undefeated.
Speaker 2 (58:06):
Fine.
Speaker 1 (58:07):
If Anthony Davis can continue to play like this, and
Lebron James says that he's going to play in every
single game this season, whether or not he actually plays
in all of them.
Speaker 5 (58:16):
His availability. The Lakers go as those two goes.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
So if they are doing what we are seeing from
them so far in this very very small sample.
Speaker 5 (58:24):
Size, they will be a middle of the West playoff team. Right.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
I don't think they're going to be in that thunder
you know, timber Wolves tear right, but that sort of
maybe get out of the play in, but hovering in
the play in, maybe sneak into sixth range.
Speaker 2 (58:43):
And then maybe surprise people in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (58:45):
And here's the thing. You never want to face Lebron
James the postseason.
Speaker 5 (58:49):
An ever, anything can happen against Lebron James in the postseason.
So they're up.
Speaker 2 (58:53):
They are true.
Speaker 1 (58:55):
You know, it's just thank God to stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (58:58):
I know it feels like everything is hinging on a
d right now, like it feels like it always kind
of does.
Speaker 1 (59:04):
He's given it cut. He gave it to you guys
last year when you know it was largely the healthiest
Lebron and Anthony Davis that we've had. That's the one
thing is like, Okay, you got that largely healthy year.
They were still playing team and honestly, then they just
ran into Denver and they were up.
Speaker 5 (59:18):
To most of those games and ended up anyway.
Speaker 1 (59:20):
So I think it's going to be a similar trajectory
if they can have a healthy ad Lebron. It's similar
run through maybe barely out of the play and play
and range, and then it just about the straws you pull,
because there's an argument to be made if they didn't
run into Denver, Yeah, anything.
Speaker 2 (59:37):
May have happened. I know, I know.
Speaker 5 (59:41):
Denvers. We'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (59:44):
What starting five on Netflix. You watched that? How good
is that?
Speaker 1 (59:49):
You?
Speaker 2 (59:50):
Oh my god? I love it so much.
Speaker 9 (59:54):
It's Anthony Edwards when he when his when his girl
gave birth and he walks between and he goes, oh ship,
He's like, he's like, he goes.
Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
I think it's like, that's like her liver, because that's
like her liver.
Speaker 5 (01:00:10):
Anthony Edwards is Anthony Edwards in any room that he
walks into.
Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
He seems so cool. He's one of my favorite players.
Speaker 5 (01:00:17):
So much fun. So we're so so lucky he's so
much fun. Might be a problem for your speakers, No,
I know, I.
Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Know, of course, of course, yeah, I know. I'm gonna
let you go because I have to. But thank you guys,
so much fun.
Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
We had a blast.
Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
I appreciate you guys. Thank you, and I will be
watching you as always.
Speaker 5 (01:00:38):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Thank you. Guys. Know what's fun about this is I
get to meet all of these people who I see
on TV, you know, or the Olympian that I interviewed
right before the Olympics, or the Golden Bachelorette, you know,
these people who are just sort of doing their thing.
And then you've got Malik and Kendra, and you know,
(01:01:00):
it just adds to the experience of when I watch them,
I can become like a sort of a fan in
the sense that, oh, I know, her. Yeah, No, I
know her. I know her interviewer, and I love that.
I'm going to watch NBA today with like a different
reverence now because I'm like, I know her, I know her. Anyway.
That was so fun. Thank you guys, Thank you ladies
so much. I really appreciate that interview, really fun. I
(01:01:21):
wish I could have gotten more into sort of you know,
the up, the coming up, the getting into the you know,
NBA today, going to ESPN, what that was like. But
I always seem to get into these, you know, deeper
psychological conversations, you know. Anyway, all right, I'm gonna leave
by
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I am Kate Hudson, and my name is Oliver Hudson.
We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and
what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling railvalry.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
No, no sibling rival. Don't do that with your mouth, velry.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
That's good. This is gonna be a short intro because
I have my guests in the waiting room right now.
But I just wanted to say that I wish that
I didn't have as many sun spots as I do,
because I just have so many. I grew up in
(00:55):
the sun like burning my face off, like with no
sun block coorse. It's like the seventies, and I've got
so many sun spots. And I'm only saying this because
I just did this movie. And there's one that appears
like right between my up on my forehead, like right
between my eyes, and I'm like, holy shit, what is that?
(01:18):
And it's a sun spot? And now they're on my
cheeks anyway. Oh and then and then this is what
this is where I was going. And then I'm playing
this part where I's be like really really tan and
they have to spray tan me and this spray tan
like sticks to these weird pigmentations on my skin. It
looks like I'm like blotchy everywhere. I don't know, I
(01:42):
don't know I got it anyway, I don't know what
I'm even telling you assholes this. But I here's what's
more important. We got Malik and Kendri Andrews sitting in
the waiting room. I'm a huge basketball fan, so I'm
very excited to talk to these these ladies and see
how they grew up, how they got into sports. And
let's let's let's let's do it. Bring him in, Let's
(02:02):
have a combo. Hi, Hello, how are you guys?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Good?
Speaker 5 (02:07):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I'm good, I'm very good. I'm uh yeah, I just
finished a movie. I said happy Gilmore too.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Well, So that's a good thing to be.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
That.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
That is a that is a recipe for happiness right there.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Oh my god, it was so crazy. Anyway, I just
got home from New Jersey, but it was Yeah, I'm home.
You know. Now there's fucking candy everywhere everywhere. Okay, you
know what I mean. I did a liver cleanse and
it's doing intermittent fasting because I'm forty eight and I
drink too much. Laquer and I smoked him. An I'm
just like, I got to get my shit together, and
(02:42):
it was great. I did about a month of it.
I lost weight, I looked great. I was working out,
I was doing pilates. And then of course I go
to New York, New Jersey to do this show and nice.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
And all everything happens in New Jersey.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
There's a bar at the hotel and all of a sudden,
I'm drinking again, and then comes along and yeah, and.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
Then you're going and getting a little left over a little.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
But I say, yeah, yeah, you know, I like my weed.
I smoke my weed, and I would be good with
not eating after seven because I just will.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Pay yeah, the inter minute fasting.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
But now I come home and I'm like, holy fuck,
there's an entire trade back of Rice Crispy treats stairs.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
So we lived in a neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
We moved in Los Angeles and we moved here four
and three, four years ago, and there's tons of children
in our neighborhood, tons and tons and tons of families
and children. And we moved from New York City, where
you know, the trigger treating scene is very like the buildings,
and that's kind of it. So we saw these kids
all over and we're like, oh great, like this is
gonna be our first like wheel.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
So we went to My husband.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Was so so excited. We went and got like bags
and bags of candy, and Dave was like, all you know,
sitting by the door like waiting for tricker treats to come,
and all night long, not a single trigger treater came.
What that's so set up with all the guys because
all of the children in our neighborhood are really conservative.
(04:05):
It's a really conservative Jewish neighborhood.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
It's not their holiday.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
They celebrate other holidays, but Halloween is not one of the.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Jewish people tend to serve, at least in our neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Exactly.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
He was so sad.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
And then I was just sitting eating that candy for
like still four years later and now I'm just like
because we had those enormous bags, I know, I've.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Never think it's been amazing years ago. I was actually
I was on Fairfax and fair Fact there's like a
heavily heavily Jewish neighbor in Fairfax and I was going
to my car. I don't think it was Saturday, and
this guy comes over and he asked me to go
up into his apartment to open up his refrigerator and
turn lights off and stuff.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Oh yeah, because you can't turn the lights off.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I go in this in this man's apartment.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
Yeah, okay, you're like.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
That. That is in all of that, like that type
of humanity, that's where I find hope and like people
turning on lights for each other. Well, like you know what,
Like that is where I'm just going to choose to
even that goodness that still exists.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
We're all human beings. Can we just like love each other?
I know it sounds kind of crazy, but like we're
all humans at the end of the day, and we
all love, and we all feel pain, and we all
have our problems, Like why can't we relate on something deeper,
you know, rather than sort of policy or this or
(05:30):
this or that. You know, I know it affects the
way we live and all of that, and that's okay,
But at the end of the day, can we just
kind of all find some love? Because really, who gives
a fuck about anything else in this you know what
I'm saying, that's is that.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
That Black Eyed Peas song, Where is Where is the
Black Eyed Peas Peloton ride the other day, Kender, have
you taken that yet?
Speaker 6 (05:53):
No, I've lost my Peloton account. You did blocking on
the peloton.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
I like, I've been thinking selling a Peloton bike. Honestly,
you're going You're on a gym kick right now.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
But the other day I went to the gym and
I forgot gym shoes and so I was halfway there
and I was realized I was wearing my lofers, and
so I turned around.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I love I love the peloton Like, I mean, you've
got Alex who's always been.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
It's great, you know, Ali.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
I used to do it like every single day, and
then I moved apartments last summer and I joined a
new gym, and then I.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Just was like, especially living alone, there's.
Speaker 6 (06:33):
Some days where I'm like, Wow, I haven't seen or
talked to another human being all day, and so I'm
going to the gym.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
I'm like, oh, there's my dose of being social.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
I may not have. You guys have delation pull ups, Kendra,
not the ones who you go up, but the ones
you go down. Yeah, there's the other day I couldn't
like lift my.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
Arms for like breathing. But you're you're my motivation because
you're you're better at those of the I am, well,
my goal to be able to do one singular pull
up and how close were you to doing that? You know?
Speaker 6 (07:08):
I did hulk out last week and just like fripped
one out and then I was like, oh, that's amazing,
and then I tried it again and I have it
with no band or not no band.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
I was just like standing around and I just.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Was like, how tall are you? I am five eight okay,
and you have long arms ish, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
I think are more legs than arms, but.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
You're more like, yeah, you're you're more You're more legs
and jokes that Malika.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Has t Rex arms and our.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Should be able to do like at least five.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I am still working on my one, but the band
has gone way down thanks to Kendri's pushing me, so
the band has gotten much later. And now I'm working
on the de Celebration one so I get that control
and age those lats.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Yeah, I'm working on that. Where did you guys grow up?
Speaker 5 (08:02):
So we grew up in the Bay Area, Yeah, we
grew up in Oakland.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
And were you did just you guys the only siblings
or do you have more. It's just us too, And
who's older?
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I am two and a half years Okay.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
She texted me the.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Other day and she goes, hey, you know that jacket.
Well first I was looking for her shoes for like
two months and.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
I was like, where are those shoes? And I texted her,
I said, do you at the end I have these
shoes that I've been looking for. She goes, oh, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
And by the way, that jacket that you were when
you were in town the other day, because you know
it's always cold when I go back up to the
Bay from Los Angeles.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
Uh, those air pods that you've been looking for, you left.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Them in the pocket and I said that was August.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
You let me buy a whole new pair.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
Literally, I had to warn that jacket in months and
I put it on, and honestly, one of the greatest
things about winter is when you put on a jacket
that you hunt more and you're like, you buy.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
Slip clos.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Right, sunglasses?
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, so I'll be getting those back at Thanksgiving.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
But yeah, we grew up in the barrier.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Our dad is a personal trainer, so that's where we
kind of get a little bit of the gym competition
stuff from and then our mom is an art teacher
and artist and art teacher. But yeah, we grew up
in Oakland.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
That's where you get your artistry and your commentary, right,
that's where you can get flowery and you can.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
My mother would be my mother would be nodding along. Yes,
would like that, but neither one of us. Did you
draw candy? No? I can't. I can't.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I was doodling the other day and I looked at
it afterwards, I was like, what is this?
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Yeah, I have one doodle and it's the same doodle
every single time.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
Then it's literally like I just draw a little like swirlies.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, and kind of like that is the isn't that weird?
We all have it?
Speaker 4 (09:54):
I have.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I do arrows, no idea why I just draw arrows.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
And it's kind of crazy when you're talking about people.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
As people that someone has the exact same two you know,
ten fingers, two hands that I do and creates what
you know Monette did and I can do it, and
it's like, oh, that's not great.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
But it's because I even feel like in some other
aspects of my life, like I don't know if you
felt this when you write a story or if you've
ever like worked on a project and you felt this too.
But like, sometimes I'll write a story, I'll do something,
and I'll look back at it a couple hours later,
I'm like I did Like did I do that? Like
there's no way that was my brain to my.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Hand, like because you're like I'm so brilliant.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yes, terrible, I'm sorry you are, but no. But but
in all honesty, you'll read it back or listen to
it back and be proud that your your energy was
the energy you were speaking on was like, Wow, you
can't believe this came from you. Oh my god, I
have that. It's funny. I'm an actor and I don't
think I've watched myself once and been like, yeah, man,
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that's great. But for some reason, not really, I don't
like watching myself. I mean there's moments where I'm like,
that's good, Okay, that was acceptable, and then I was like,
oh got it, look eighty five there? Oh god, that fucked.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
But don't you find that that's what happens, at least
for me when I watch it back. I watch back
a lot of shows that a lot of episodes of
of NBA Today and NBA countdown, And when I watch
it back the first time, unless it's really a train wreck,
I oftentimes, which isn't very often, I'm oftentimes like, oh,
you nailed that.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
And the more times I watch it back.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
The more sort of zoom in on the granular yea,
oh back quite right there. But the funny thing is
that's only how we watch ourselves. That's not how I
watch Kendra. When I watched Kicker do something, it's it's
the opposite.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
It's sort of like, oh, she nailed it. Yep, no, no, noe,
she nailed it.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I'm the opposite. I mean
it's a little different because you're trying to play a part,
you know what I mean, You're saying lines, you're trying
to you know, beat apart, you know, and I'm the opposite.
I go granular and then move out. So I have
to watch myself like ten times before I can actually
just watch it and be you know, just be objective,
just be like, you know, okay. But when I first
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see it, I'm like, oh my god, I'm like losing it.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
I know.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
That's why I don't really watch shit. I just did
a d Burymore show and it went, well, how was that?
It was great. I'm actually going to go back and
do it again. I'm going to do like five or
six of them.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
I think she's fabulous. And also they're like intercity on
the couch and you know, putting your feet.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
I was in a meeting earlier today with someone who
put their feet on the couch and I wasn't sure
I was allowed to put my feet on the couch.
And it was like a mental game backward that I was.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
Playing, like, you can't I put my feet on the couch?
Can I not? And She's just like, here's the permission
to be comfortable. A very cool interview setting.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
No, it was great. It was great at a couple
of segments, you know, because I basically I did Hollywood
Squares with her, and she asked me about I've known
her for a little bit, asked about a relationship question
know for herbs and data in eight years, and I
just sort of philosophized about men and women in relationships
and then you know, sort of infuse her life into
it and she and Drew's amazing. She says, Oh my god,
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like this weight has been lifted on my shoulders. I
want you to come on the show. So basically I
was on there as some sort of relationship guru, even
though my only experience is my own relationship and then
being in therapy for a thousand fucking years, you know.
But it was really really fun, you know, where these
women were calling in and getting a perspective from sort
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of a male who has been in and who's in
a relationship, and it's pretty candid in the way that
he speaks, meaning myself, and it went off really well
and it was fun. And you know, I one of
my great friends is Tay Diggs, and we've talked about
doing a daytime male talk show, meaning how come it
can't be men? You need to cast the right men.
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And you know, known Tay for a million years and
he's an extremely sensitive dude and very curious and unafraid,
you know, to be himself.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Oh the Rent was the soundtrack of our childhood.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
He was very much Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, So we were sort of trying to see this
idea with Druda.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Maybe one day, Kendra, any relationship advice, I'll see myself.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
So well.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
No, during when Malika got married, a dear family friend
of ours was the officiant and she has given not
just life advice.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
She has such just like an.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Amazing on life.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
And I've always told her she has given me some
of the best advice throughout my life. I've known her,
we've noticed since we were babies, and she gives amazing
relationship advice. And I was telling her this because she
was nervous about doing the ceremony. I was like, no, die,
like you give the best relationship advice, Like just just
give them advice, like you give such good advice. And
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during the ceremony, she literally says, she goes, I've been
told I.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Give really good advice.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
So anyone hear who needs some Malika and Dave at
the altar, but whip their head around and look at me,
and I'm.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Like, where is second?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I gave me the advice the other day. Actually, I was,
you know, kind of a little bit worried, you know,
the state of the world, the direction that we're going
in can where where is humanity going?
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Kindness? You know, how can that be on the forefront?
Speaker 2 (15:30):
And I was.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
We had breakfast the other day and she said to me,
but she I noticed her. She took her phone out
and she kind of like did this earlier in the
breakfast and she put it down and she said to me, well,
look at this, and she pulled up her phone and
she turned around and she'd taken a picture of a
man and his son who were having dinner or having
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breakfast kind of across from us. And she goes that, right,
there is what you need to hold on to, because
everywhere you look, there's going to be a man having
breakfast with his kid.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
If you look your life, there's going to be a couple.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Maybe on their first date if you look over it, like,
that's the way that she sees the world, and that's
the way that I think more people need to see
the world.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
It's amazing. I love that, And that's the.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Way that you should be going through.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
That's true. And that's not just similar to sort of
what I was saying. It's like we're not it's it's
not all going to end one way or another. You know,
people are still going to be going about their days.
Love is still going to exist, and it's sort of
how we choose to sort of where we choose to
put where we choose to put our energy. You know
what I'm saying, Like, it is what it is, it's
going to be what it's going to be but I
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love that there are going to be people having dinner, fathers, sons.
There's going to be tears, there's going to be laughter,
there's going to be joy, There's going to be all
of it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, and that's what you have to find.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
So we gotta I gotta tell you guys, holy shit.
But give me a little window into sort of how
you grew up in San Francisco.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
You know, kend you go, you're giving the Oakland, You're
giving us an open.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Because I want to get to sports athletics. I'm a
huge basketball fan, a huge Lakers fan, you know. But
I want to know how sort of all of this
evolved and how you guys got to where you got to.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
I don't you know, we grew up. So we grew
up in Oakland, which is about twenty five thirty minutes
outside of San Francisco, right old Abridge.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
And proudly do you.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Notice how we said we kindly slipped that in.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
But not San Nina. You're kindly correct.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
No, I think you know we grew up like a
It's such such a normal way, Like Malika mentioned, our
parents before a fitness trainer and artists art teacher who've
been married for you know, over thirty years, and they're
both burial locals.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
And.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
They just wanted us.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
I think they come from two different like families, where
our mom has this huge family, crazy loud, Jewish, rambunctious family,
and my dad is from a.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Much smaller, quieter, softer spoken family.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
But I think he always loved the craziness that came
with our mom's family, and so we were, you know,
just brought up in this again, big loud, crazy, everyone
in each other's business. But I think it made for
a very like, I don't know, fun loving life, Melika
jump in here wherever.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, I mean, in your relationship was from the get
always great.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
It's kind of wild to me.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Hender and I have always been close. We've been close
our entire lives, and so it's always interesting for me
to hear other people's sort of sibling dynamics, even people
i'm very close to, my friends Dave, the way that
they talk about their siblings, because for me, Kendra has
sort of always been. Of course, there were times that
I tried to suffocate her with a pillow because she
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was snoring. I didn't realize that if I put a
pillow over head to make her stop snoring, it's because
I was making her stop breathing. I'm still sorry for that,
but Evin, I have no idea my bad.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
But like Kendra and I have.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Been close our entire life, even when you know I
went to boarding school and was away from her for
the majority of four years, like we were close the
entire time.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
We've always enjoyed doing similar things.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Even when I was in a soccer phase and she
was in more of a dance phase or whatever.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
It was, We've always been really close.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
And so it's always really interesting to me when I
hear about siblings as being anything other than sort of
your soul that lives outside of your body, right, because
that's always what Kender and I have been. And then
we look pretty similar people used.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
To kind of do a little bit.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Our voices when you get us on the phone are
very very similar.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
When I plucked all.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
My eyebrows out as a kid, I buck all hers
out because.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
There's no way in hell she was going to have
a good friend I has done to me in my life.
Nothing is as bad as when she plucked my eyebrows
out of my face.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
She plucked your eye.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
The early two thousands, no one had eyebrows.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I remember.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Shout out, shout out.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
To Lily Collins really quickly because I feel like she
helped trailblaze the thick brows community in the blind side,
So thank you.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like the thick eyebrows. But then
they got a little too big, and now I like
where they're at.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Now we're in a.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Good eyebrows eyebrow. My point is I dragged her down
with me, she brought me back up with her.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Like, there's definitely a lot of that going on. So
Kendra and I have.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Always been really really close, to the to the point
that our group chat me Kendra and Dave.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Our group chat name is fave fam. And my mother
saw that at one point, and.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Even though it's just the two of us and we're
sip like, she was very affected that we could even
think of ourselves as like, she's my favorite her, she's
my baby sister.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Did you guys grow up It sounded like you grew
up with a very love with in a loving family
with very loving parents. Yeah. Right, So that is probably
one of the reasons why you guys are also so close.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
You know, I kind of mentioned for my mom.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
Our mom is one of four, and so she understands
the value of siblinghood and sister She's two sisters, one brother,
sisterhood through having that and how close he was. Our
dad's an only child, and he values sisterhood and siblinghood
through the fact that he didn't have that and he
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wants wanted us so badly to have that, just like
unbreakable relationship and the like the greatest thing that our
parents have always done is I mean set us up
for nothing but success. And I think only people agree
with me at some points. There are moments when we
were growing up is like, why are you doing this
to me?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Right?
Speaker 5 (21:59):
And it's very common for.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
Any adolescent, any child, is you're you're ruining my life
and what Then now, when we're sitting here in our
mid and late twenties, we can look back and say, oh,
that is exactly why, and we're so much better off
of it, and.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Yeah, fuck, I hope my kids say the same thing.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Kender would stick up for me, like Kendra would go
to bat for me when I would get into it
with my parents, which.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
In my teenage years I really really did.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Hendraw would like go back to my dad after he
literally took my door off. Remember but he literally took
and took my door off of the handle, and would say, like,
you know, oh she would she was always going to.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Bat for me, and so I think it's super.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Cliche, but growing up my dad would always say, you know,
your sister's your best friend. I would sort of roll
my eyes and say, no, name of insert name of
friend here is my best friend or insert this gal
I go to the mall with is my best friend?
Speaker 5 (23:01):
And fast forward.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Truly, you know, I Hendraw has so many friends. I
can't even keep up with anymore. Your friends left and right,
but I have a very small circle.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I'm like you, I have a few friends. I don't
know it.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
People are like, who's your who's your best friend?
Speaker 5 (23:16):
And like, does my sister cat right?
Speaker 1 (23:18):
You know, I have a handful, but she's kind of
at the top of the list. All the good and
all of the Our minds are also really similar. The
same things make us anxious. We like hyper fixate on
certain things.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
We both you know, so yeah, no, I know, I
mean my I've said this before, but you know, we
came from sort of a divorce, not sort of a
divorce situation where my sister needed me to be her
older brother, but I couldn't do it because I didn't
have the capacity to do that, you know what I'm saying.
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And it fractured our relationship, but not in a sense
that there was an inciting incident. It was just the
circumstances and you know, only later in life did we
actually come together, yeah, and really sort of find each
other and fall in love essentially, you know what I'm saying.
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But it took a minute.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
Yeah, I think something that had Amilika kind of mentioned
it before and it's and it could have I think
gone that direction what you're saying and what you're talking
about with your your childhood and growing up in relationship
with your sisters. When Malika went to boarding school, I
think that that could have been a moment because we
really I think there was a spam Aliko correct me,
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but like for three four months we just didn't talk
because of the circumstances, and that could have been a
place where you really just well, I got to carry
on with my life. You need to do you and
we kind of went our opposite ways, and I think
in some crazy amazing way it brought us so much
closer together, and it like helped us build this bond
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where we don't we don't need to talk every day.
Some people they're like, how's your Like how's Malica. I'm like,
she like I I we don't have these caps here,
like I have no idea onto her.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
I'd like to work. Sometimes they're like, oh, I saw
your sisters, Like, oh, how is she?
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Like, Yeah, we don't have we don't.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Have these great catch up conversations.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah. I love that. That's how my That's how we
are with my family, you know. And you guys are
on the road, you guys are doing your ship like
and and you know, my family's the same way. I
mean why it's in Australia. Kate's in New Jersey. I
was just in New Jersey, Kurt's in Australia.
Speaker 7 (25:41):
Moms over here, we're always working, So it's we just
know that it's the love is will always be there
and it doesn't have to be checking in all the time,
like hey, you know I love you.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
As you were talking, I just I realized I have
a two minute voice memo that I still need to
listen to from you that I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
I'll get back I haven't listened to it yet, my bad.
But every once in a while we get it into.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
That communication and it's it's that whole convers but it's
not it's never this recap of what's happened, what's going
It's just let's just talk in.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
Present time and what's on your mind, What's what are you?
What are you doing? What's going on here?
Speaker 6 (26:17):
But it's it's this, it's I don't know, we've just
I feel like I have this.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Is there ever any envy or jealousy, you know, or
anything like that? I mean there has was there any friction.
Speaker 6 (26:28):
I think as a younger sister, Like as the younger sibling,
there's always going to be a little bit of jealousy,
right like whether it's like why does she she got
to do this and I didn't get to do this.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Or she gets to stay out later that I do, or.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
Whatever it is. I think that there's always, but there's never.
I don't think that we've ever actually had a like
a full on sibling fight where things are like.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Not like an adult. I mean we've had you know, kids, what's.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Spray with me or whatever, but not as an adult. No,
But I think I will say, you know, we kind
of a boarding school, residential treatment.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
That's where I kind of was for four years.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
I did feel a little bit when I came back
because I didn't see you for the large part of
four years. Like I see you like maybe once, say no,
you're ish. It's sort of like you miss all of
this stuff that happens. And so there's a lot between
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the ages of twelve and sixteen, like you became a
whole person, and I wasn't there for it, right, So
I do think there is still whether or not we
talk about it, or whether or not I say this,
there's still a little part of me that feels like
I missed out on seeing at least every day some
of your most formative years.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
You didn't miss much about this, Like I, you know,
not say.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
We're going to be charging you a copey for our
family therapy sessions. But you know, I do feel a
little bit of that.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
And so whether there's guilt behind that or no, it's not.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
So much guilty.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
You were just doing what you were doing. You're just
living your life.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
That's true. But I do think there's a little bit.
I remember distinctly when Kendra went to her senior prom
something that I, you know, as a boarding school kid,
never did. I distinctly remember seeing that and saying to myself,
oh my gosh, this isn't the twelve year old that
I left. She's a whole person.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
So now you know, And when you're that close, when
you're as close as we are, that's weird.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
When it's when you're you know, siblings who just sort.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Of live in the same house, I think that maybe
that's fine, But for me, it was something that I
really said to myself, gosh, like, I I don't feel
guilty now, but I do feel like I'm missing something
and I don't want to miss anything else.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
So I think that that was a little bit of
that feeling.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Because as much as we described how close we were
and how much we did and how much our lives
mirrored each other, those couple of years, was the first
time we weren't the Andrews sisters.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
It was Malika over here and Kendra over there.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Right, did boys ever get in the way? Meaning like, oh,
she has a boyfriend, like taking me away from my sister.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
No, like all of us are like, oh, like there
was was, because I was like, man, I wish that
would have been kind of a cool I.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
Like playing back all the guys that we went to there, like,
I'm just like, oh.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
No, I like Kendra's boyfriends.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
But Malika, why did you go to boarding school? And Kendra?
You did not?
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I went to boarding school because I had some mental
health attitude.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
You did that I needed to.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Kind of confront.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
And so there was Kendra.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I always sort of wondered whether Kendra had some of
those same demons that I did, but they weren't at
the point where I had them, and so at least
at that time, right, And so I went to boarding school,
Kendra didn't.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Did you want to go to boarding school? Or was
this sort of like you're going to boarding school? I mean,
I got threatened with military school, you know. I was like,
you're going to go to military school. I meanwhile, I'm like, Mom,
You're never fucking sending me to military school. It was
too bad.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
My parents will make good.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
On that boarding school. I would have maybe gotten scared,
but I'm like, Mom's not sending me to military school.
Yeah she's not.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
My parents made good on that, on that promise, and
it was I recognized, right, it was it was serious
enough that I recognized I needed some sort of help.
I don't think I realized when I was leaving home
that I was going to be gone for as long
as I was and having to sort of do as
much work as I did.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Life changing would you say, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Mean it's made me who I am. Ye, right, certainly
certainly formative. Right, I was gone from fourteen to eighteen,
And so I think that that sort of Kendra was,
you know, you talk about sports and all these other things.
Kendra was sort of she likes to say that it
was her idea to go into this industry first, and
I could admit it was like she sort of in
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high school was going towards this, right, She was sort
of already looking towards this career path, and I was
just kind of trying to put one foot in front
of the other. I think in a little bit different
of a way. But I think later or right now,
when I say that we have the same sort of
worries and anxieties, and I think that we're much more
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similar in the way that we sort of think about
the world now. And so that's something that I think
brings us together to because when I say, oh, this
is something that I'm worrying about she goes, I got you,
I was worried about like three days ago, like this
is how you know?
Speaker 2 (32:06):
That was comfort in that camaraderie one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
I think we think about the world very very similarly,
and so I think that that helps us and the
way they talk.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
When you were when your parents were going to send
you to boarding school, were you upset with them or
did you understand at that time because you're so young.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
I think it.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Happened so quickly that there wasn't really time to sit
back and look at the thirty thousand foot view of everything, right.
I think it was.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
Something that.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Steamrolled so fast that it was not something that I said,
oh okay, because I wasn't given the opportunity to say,
oh okay, this is the four year plan. It was
sort of, this is the plan today, and you need
that sort of help.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
And I think explaining that to Kendra was also you.
Speaker 6 (32:53):
Know, yeah, I mean I think I think for probably
most of those four years, I didn't no, like I
didn't know what was going on because like as much
as I always, like Malika said, would protect her, and
as unhappy of a person you were when we were together,
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you were always happy, and so for me, there was like, well,
there's no signs that she's dealing with these inner demons
because we always have a great time. And also again,
like I'm twelve years old, it's kind of hard to
to start having these you know, topics that Luckily, over
the past however many years, like the topic of mental
health has become so open, which is important, but back then,
(33:38):
you know, this is two thousand nine ten. How do
you like explain You're explaining to your sixth grader, like
what depression is and what like how these things come about.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
It's it's you know, harder.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
And I do think that that also like directed me
on my own, as Malik was saying, like my own
mental health journey in a very in a very different
way saying I got you into therapy.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
Is that what you're saying, You're the reason why I'm
in therapy is.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Well, I mean this is really amazing a cool conversation,
you know. I mean, I've I'm on lexapro. I've had anxiety, yeah,
for a long ass time, and it's something that I've
been dealing with since I was twenty three or twenty four.
I'm forty eight years old. And you know, I watched
my son sort of suffer through it a little bit
(34:31):
for about month month and a half. I had to
take him out of school. I'm very versed in it,
you know, And for me it was about sort of
discovering where it came from through therapy, meditation, journaling. I
went to this place called the Hoffmann Institute, which was
really incredible, you know, going through this process of what
do I have to be? What's going on?
Speaker 1 (34:53):
You know?
Speaker 2 (34:53):
I mean, yes, I came from a product of divorce,
but life is pretty fucking good, you know what I'm saying.
Discovering sort of is it a chemical imbalance or is
this something else? And it was I guess a little
bit of both, you know, but just sort of unpacking
your shit and trying to figure out where it all
is coming from. It's it's it's arduous, it's hard, it's
(35:15):
not gnarally.
Speaker 5 (35:16):
And the other thing, too, is.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
Half of that of unpacking and learning the roots of
it and the thing that I've always struggled with in
my life. I always tell people, or if I start,
I've seen a couple of different therapists over the different
stages of my life, and now I can walk into
a session and say, oh, I can tell you exactly
the reasons.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
Why I am the way I am.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
I just don't.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
I don't do a good job at dealing with It's
the moving forward of I understand why and the way
I am. But the coping skills I think that's the
other half of therapy, and just getting to know your
mental health and your brain is like really really difficult
to do.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Oh my god, totally. I totally. And then we're going
to move on to other stuff. But I love this
is such a topic I love talking about. But it's
so true. And my wife said something early early on,
you know, she said, yeah, you see it. You understand
what your problems are, but you really haven't done anything
to try to fix it. I'm like, oh, yeah, you're
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kind of right.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
You know.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
The the question what's wrong is fundamentally flawed because oftentimes,
with my own journey through all of this, and I've
talked about it before, is that this isn't a beginning,
middle and end story, right, It's ongoing, and oftentimes there
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isn't an answer. Kinder and we're kids, you know. She
would try to ask me, like Nika, what's wrong? And
I didn't have an answer for her, and I still
don't have an answer now because oftentimes there isn't a
moment or a thing that happened, and I remember wishing
at times for a simple answer to that question so
(36:59):
that I could explain what's wrong and so someone could
give me advice about what happened, and then everything moves
on and.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
It's just not that meat.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
But that's what's kind of cool with because we think
so similarly in that way. I think both Kender and
I have sort of this unspoken language that I if
you don't have that with someone, try to find it,
because like that's.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah, that's so great, and it's just so spot on.
I mean, I'm literally going through this right now where
I have this weird anxiety, not debilitating, but in my
throat and I'm like, what the fuck is going? Why yet?
And then just through you know, my experience with it
for years and years, I'm like, well, who cares? It's there,
(37:42):
and like just okay, accept it and live like I
don't know, stop asking so many questions. I guess, yeah, right, okay,
we did our mental health stuff.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I wish it was so simple, right, I wish you
could just crack it off.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
I'm good. We did that. Check everywhere. We're all healed.
Everyone's healed, perfect, done. I'll say about ball, how this happened?
You guys work? Are you work together on ESPN? Basically? Right?
Speaker 5 (38:10):
Basically on the days we're lucky.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
You know.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
It's so funny because.
Speaker 6 (38:16):
Like we going back to like our family are because
both of our parents worked growing up, but they still do.
And our family time after school after work was dinner.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
And then what NBA game is on?
Speaker 1 (38:30):
And let me paint you a picture.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
There were no.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
iPod iPads to watch your own individual movie after dinner.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
Netflix didn't even NETFLI Netflix.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
There was nothing.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
To have tap Buster. You had to go to Blockbuster.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
So you we had as a family to earn our
negotiating skills. Had to come to the table with what
it is we wanted to watch, and everybody had to agree.
And oftentimes the only thing you could agree to put
on the single t TV in the house was the
Warriors game, yeah.
Speaker 6 (39:05):
Or the San Antonio Spurs Spurs space.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (39:09):
The Warriors were not very good. I have a vivid
memory of Malika.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
It was a Warrior Spurs game and she couldn't decide
who she wanted to rock with more. So she wore
all silver and black, but then pretty heinous yellow and
blue accessories, and.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
I was like, Okay, this is a direct was this?
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Was this like the genoble Duncan was the.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
Genobdu Tony Parker Bob Yeah, iteration of the Spurs, the
embers of the dynasty of the.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Best most boring player to ever play the games.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
Yeah, Tim Duncan.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
So I think we kind of yeah, the big Yeah,
the big fundamental. So you know, I always really really
loved writing.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
School was a.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Place that you know, journaling, writing short stories, English was
my favorite subject.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
I really loved to.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Write, and I always knew that that's sort of a
path that maybe I could see myself going down, but
didn't really know how or what until I got to college.
And then I joined the school newspaper and the only
opening they had was in sports, and so I sort
of ended up on that path. Versus for Kendra, I
think there was a different connection.
Speaker 6 (40:25):
I also liked writing, and for me it was kind
of process of elimination.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
Like I went to a very hard college preparatory.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
School, and so they take you.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
Getting into college very seriously and they match you with
a college counselor what do you want to study?
Speaker 1 (40:43):
What do you want to be?
Speaker 5 (40:43):
And I didn't love school. I'm not good at math,
I'm not good at science.
Speaker 6 (40:48):
But I always liked the writing and the creative writing
at that point. But anyway, I was also so that
was one side of my brain and likes and the other.
Speaker 5 (40:59):
I just loved watching sports.
Speaker 6 (41:00):
And I remember like I would make flashcards about different
rosters or different positions, like I just really wanted to
learn about all these sports.
Speaker 5 (41:10):
I'm not a athlete myself, so and I think I might.
I was with my dad. We were either.
Speaker 6 (41:16):
Watching NBC Sports Bay Area or ESPN or something, and
I think it was NBC Sports because ros gold On Woode,
who's a black woman who was hired to be the
Warrior sideline reporter, and you know, we just didn't see
many women who looked like us on TV. And I
was watching Roz do her thing, and I looked at
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my dad and I said, Dad, she gets paid to
talk about stuff and about the Warriors in basket I'm
going to do. I think I was probably sixteen at
the time. I was like, that is what I'm gonna do,
and It's funny because my dad says, now he said
in the moment, he goes, yeah, Kendy, that's that's great.
He says, Now I was I thought you were crazy,
like of course, but no way you would actually do that?
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (42:02):
Yeah, world.
Speaker 6 (42:03):
But and so I went to college, no, like, I
majored in journalism, and the day on campus, I was like,
where's the school paper?
Speaker 5 (42:11):
And how do I get involved?
Speaker 2 (42:21):
So staying on your process really quickly. So you go
to college, and then was the goal? Was still that
childhood goal? Still the goal? Meaning like I went to
journalism school. Now boom, I'm gonna I'm going to be
on the sidelines at the fucking the ward.
Speaker 6 (42:35):
It's funny because I went through like a little bob
and weave of what the actual goal was, Like I
think I went to college or I first started to
pursue this thinking I want to be on TV. And actually,
through Malika, I was introduced to this woman Janie McCaulay,
who works for the Associated Press, and she kind of
(42:57):
gave me my first taste at all this. But she's
a writer, and so my first actual taste of doing
this job was writing. And so I actually switched my
major from broadcast to written journalism, and I was like,
I'm diving into writing headfirst, and that's what I did
for four years of college. My first job out of
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college was only writing, which was great. And I think,
I mean, some of the best advice I've gotten, maybe
Milik has gotten. That Milik has given me is just
like how important writing is. And then for me, the
TV thing didn't really pop back into this might be
something I wanted to pursue until the opportunity presented itself
(43:39):
and then it was like, wait ooh, this does get
me a little bit excited. That's something that when I
first set out on this was exciting to me and
I was.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Interested in.
Speaker 5 (43:50):
Wow and that I never thought I would end up
covering the team that we.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
That's so amazing crazy And obviously you're a fan and
you're allowed to be a you don't have to be partial,
right or.
Speaker 5 (44:02):
Do you very partial?
Speaker 6 (44:03):
It's funny because being so close to them, like you
really do take the fan out of it?
Speaker 2 (44:08):
And do you do?
Speaker 6 (44:10):
And I'm very grateful to have gotten to experience the
fandom days that I didn't.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Laughing because I was just thinking about like if do
you think I was thinking about the phrase of how
the sausage gets made, and like, do you think that
people who make sausages eat sausages?
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Yes, they have to try.
Speaker 8 (44:29):
Like because I think at some point you get so
close to it, you see people as opposed to these
The thing about sports, which is so awesome and so
cool is I truly believe that sports, maybe movie stars
to some degree, are the closest things to real life
superheroes as you can possibly get.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
And sport it's so interesting because there is a physical
component to it, right. There is a ability that somebody
has Lebron James, Steph Curry, Serena Williams that most of
us do not. There's this literal power that you see
that you can play the sport, but it doesn't look
(45:07):
the same when you do it as when they do.
It's sort of it really is. This hero thing that
happens in sports is so unique to sports, and I
think when you get to know the person, when you
get to know the people, when you see the wonderful,
wonderful things, when you see the works in progress of
an athlete of a person, I do think that takes
(45:31):
away some of In order to be a fan, there
has to be this unbridled sort of reverence.
Speaker 5 (45:36):
That has to exist, and I do think.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
That naturally gets peeled back the more humanized someone becomes.
And so when you spend five, six, seven days a
week seeing a person, that person becomes human and less
of a superhero. And I think that that's sort of
where sports and fandom starts to interact. However, there is
nothing cooler than seeing our job through my father's our
(45:59):
father's eyes, right, Like, that's when you kind of go
back to the fan piece of it. Because when he
came with us to the opening of the Valkyries, the
new Golden State Warriors, the new Golden State women's basketball team,
and Steph was there seeing him talk to Steph. Was
(46:19):
that seeing him come into studio when all of us
we all have get two jobs.
Speaker 5 (46:24):
Acting working in sports.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Their get two jobs, not have two jobs, right, You
get to go and do this, but it still work.
Speaker 5 (46:31):
There's still days.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
We're like, oh this is annoying, Oh my god, I
gotta go talk to this person.
Speaker 5 (46:35):
Oh why did I not forget this email? Whatever? The
thing is, right, you.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Get sort of jaded to the specialness in some ways.
So it's a really nice reminder when dad comes into
studio and it's just like, this is the coolest thing.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
In the entire bring.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
That when you're on a set all day, right, aren't
you sort of like all I want to do is
come home?
Speaker 5 (46:58):
Oh yeah, I want your kids.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Maybe you're like like it's a totally different thing.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
Yeah, yeah, I know that's that's so great. But but
hold on. If Steph hits a game winning three in
Game seven of the Western Conference Finals, are you on
the sidelight You're just like, okay, great and you were
are you not cheering?
Speaker 6 (47:18):
The thing is is, well, sometimes this is what I've
experienced with myself.
Speaker 5 (47:22):
I'm curious your answer, Well, to me.
Speaker 6 (47:25):
Now, whether I'm on my couch at Homeme, whether I'm
sitting at a game, if someone hits a ridiculous shot,
I will react. But it could be Steph, it could
be brawn over stuff. It could be Kevin Durant, It'll
be Joelle. And like, it's crazy when we when I
was watching the Olympics, right and Steph hit was overtem.
Speaker 5 (47:49):
You, I mean oh I was. I was yelling like
that was crazy? Right?
Speaker 6 (47:55):
But as so, like Malika said, it's the get to
versus half two jobs and those moments where you're like,
this job is so great no matter how many six
am flights. I haven't been home in two weeks, I
don't know what city I'm in, I don't know what
time it is, But at the end of the day,
I can watch a handful of the most incredible athletes
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in the world do what they do. And then to
bring it back also to the fan thing of relate
that to people who still view these guys as here
is I think one of the special things that I
really do try and navigate my job with is the
fact that I have been that person obsessed with a team,
(48:38):
right I understand how important the Warriors are to the
Bay Area. And so when I'm trying to tell a story,
or even if it's a negative story, if I'm trying
to report news, what did.
Speaker 5 (48:51):
I care about as that person watching this team? What
did I want to know?
Speaker 6 (48:54):
And I try and hold that with me as I
kind of navigate my job.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Do you ever have to worry about sort of what
you say you know or you know as far as
how candid you can actually be? I mean, do you
worry about sort of saying the wrong things to both
of you guys? Where it's like, you know, that's what
I'm supposed to do. You know, you look at Barkley,
You'll say, whatever the fuck comes to his mind, you know.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
Well, can I tell you about the first time Kendra
and I were on TV together?
Speaker 5 (49:20):
Yes, on ESPN. It gets to this.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
So I remember when I was I was wearing white
and my hair was in a top where you were.
I remember, But I remember Kendra was coming on MBA today,
and it was in our first year of the show,
and something happened.
Speaker 5 (49:45):
It was it wouldn't have been.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
It was.
Speaker 5 (49:48):
You couldn't have seen it.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
If you were just watching it at home and not
looking for it, you wouldn't have seen it. But something
went wrong with the video or the toss to bring
her in, and it was something that was less than perfect,
but again perfect to ten.
Speaker 5 (50:01):
This was like an eight point five.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
It didn't rise to the level of, you know, anything noticeable.
And I bring her in and I say, uh, welcome
into MBA today. Our reporter covering the Golden State Warriors,
Kendra Andrews.
Speaker 5 (50:18):
Kendra tell me about Da da Da Da Da Da Da.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
She does her report and then afterwards I think I
said something because I wanted to be serious, right.
Speaker 5 (50:26):
I wanted to prove like we did co exist on
television together.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
You didn't want to be like hey exactly.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
But at the end I was sort of like this,
let's do this again sometime. And I remember we got
off that into the commercial break and I sort of
I went to my producer and I said, like, gosh, guys,
like I really wanted to nail this and we didn't,
and there were some things we could have done better.
(50:52):
And I just really feel like, again assuming the big
sister role, like I really wanted it to be like
perfect for her. And they were sort of, you know,
they work with me every day. We have this free
flowing feedback. They sort of said, I mean we hear you.
And that was pretty close. Like that was pretty dang good.
And now watching it back, it was totally fine. But
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I had so much. I had so much, so many
jitters because I wanted to be absolutely perfect the first
time that Kendra was doing TV with me. I care
way more about setting her up to not say the
wrong thing to your than me, because of course it's
an it's a I think that the thing that I've
(51:33):
had to come to terms with is the hour that
you spend on television I spend on television every day,
is just a snapshot into our basketball fandom, not even close.
Speaker 5 (51:46):
To a full representation of who we are.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
But I think sometimes that can be a little bit misconstrued.
Speaker 5 (51:52):
And so of course there's the I wouldn't even call
it pressure.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
I would say the privilege of putting together a show
and wanting to do the best that you can.
Speaker 5 (52:04):
And of course I worry.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
I worry about every single thing that I say, because
I know that if I say something wrong, oftentimes it's
not attributed to a mistake that I made, but rather
my validity in being.
Speaker 5 (52:19):
There or not. But I care way more about it
for her than I do for me.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Yeah, no, no, I get that, you know. First of all,
I wanted to get your story on how you came up,
you know, and became what you've become, because you're the
figure there, and then we'll get to that in another time.
But I'm really curious about just being a female, you know,
in the industry, and what it took or if you
felt that there was a harder path for you guys
(52:47):
to get there, and is it harder for you to
maintain being there or are you pretty free and comfortable
in where you are as a woman in sports analyzing
basket ball where mostly men are taking on your opinion.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
Yeah, you know, it's a question that I think both
of us get a lot, is what is it like
to be this? It's the only thing I know, The
only way I know how to move through the world
is as a black woman, and that's how I walk
through every part of my how we walk.
Speaker 5 (53:23):
Through every part of our lives.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
And so of course there is some sort of weight
that I feel or responsibility to make sure that I
am leaving this for other people it should be easier
for them than.
Speaker 5 (53:38):
It was for me.
Speaker 1 (53:39):
I felt that with Kendra right, particularly because I came
to ESPN before she did, and so I wanted to
be a good reflection of what it is to be
an Andrew's sister. But I think that it's just a
fact there are fewer women in this industry than there
are men, and there are some people who are looking
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to attribute your mistakes to your gender and your.
Speaker 5 (54:05):
Right to be somewhere.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
However, I will say that when I am walking through
an arena, right, and I've had a dad, there's a
picture of the dad took of his little girl who has.
Speaker 5 (54:18):
This adorable cheindra seen in this picture. So she knows this.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
Adorable big curly hair and she's standing in front of
the TV and she's pointing at me with my big
curly hair when it's out. And he showed me that
picture and he said, can we take a photo? I
want to show this to my daughter. And I broadcast
for that fan. I don't broadcast to prove someone wrong.
I don't go into a broadcast to prove to this person.
Speaker 5 (54:43):
Know you're wrong. I do belong.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
I go into a broadcast to show those people who
are looking for a reason to get more involved in sports, say.
Speaker 5 (54:53):
Yes, we can not. This is why she can't.
Speaker 1 (54:55):
And so I think that that's how you have to
choose to look at it, because there is so much
more of that, I think in the world. It's so
easy to get bogged down into this comment or this
like or this snapshot of an anonymous person on the internet,
but you can't. That's not the whack a mole I play.
I'm playing for them, not for that beautiful.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
I want thirty seconds on the Warriors in this season,
and then I want thirty seconds on my Lakers all right,
you get your Warriors.
Speaker 5 (55:25):
Go You're going to take Warriors first.
Speaker 1 (55:26):
Go ahead.
Speaker 5 (55:27):
Okay, we're as we're sitting here recording.
Speaker 6 (55:31):
They have a game here in just about an hour
and fifteen hour and five, but I mean they're sitting
at five and one. And the thing to my report,
the thing that they've been talking so much about is
their depth. And they play the last three games without
Stephan Curry, and they play the numbers, the point differentials
and numbers are actually almost better without him here than
when he was on the court, which.
Speaker 5 (55:52):
Is wild a really really great sign for this team.
Speaker 6 (55:55):
I think this next week is going to tell a
lot when they play the the.
Speaker 5 (56:01):
MAVs and the Thunder and the Celtics.
Speaker 6 (56:04):
But I think the moves the way I look at
them is they are a They're a better team than
they were a year ago today and under the circumstances
of where they were, that is all that Joe lacub
and Mike Dunleyy and Steve Kurr and Steph Curry wanted.
They feel that they have a lot more potential this year.
Speaker 2 (56:22):
But do you think Okay, small, very small sampling with
Steph being out though and watching watching them win without
him and seeing how the team can be cohesive without him.
Do you think that's an attribution to the team itself
or do you think not? I mean that that Steph
being away is allowing them to sort of.
Speaker 5 (56:39):
I think it's it's a cohesion of a team.
Speaker 6 (56:41):
It's the number of players that they play, and it's
the fact that everyone they put pieces together that complement
each other.
Speaker 1 (56:49):
Well.
Speaker 6 (56:50):
They found guys who can defend, they found guys who
can score. You know, you're looking at a guy like
Andrew Wiggins, who's playing, you know, a lot better so
far than he has the last couple of years. You're
looking at Draymond Green, who seems to be in a
really really good space pasically and mentally.
Speaker 1 (57:06):
Like all of those things add up.
Speaker 2 (57:10):
Do you miss Clay at all? Or do you not
miss Clay?
Speaker 6 (57:13):
I think clazy great guy, plays, a great guy to
have around. It was weird those first couple of weeks,
not like going into the locker room and his lockers
right by the door and.
Speaker 5 (57:23):
Turning and he's not there. It's very Mary, are.
Speaker 2 (57:28):
You there when that dude snuck in as Clay? Oh
my god, that was insane.
Speaker 5 (57:34):
Why we love THEA.
Speaker 2 (57:37):
Give me my Lakers. What's going on?
Speaker 5 (57:39):
All right?
Speaker 1 (57:40):
Your Lakers?
Speaker 5 (57:43):
Anthony Davis is averaging twenty five.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
Points, just over twelve rebounds, and a little over three
assists a game. You want the team to play through him.
So far they are. That is translating to winning. Of course, yes,
losing to the Cavaliers. Fine, the Cavaliers are correct at
the time of recording undefeated.
Speaker 2 (58:06):
Fine.
Speaker 1 (58:07):
If Anthony Davis can continue to play like this, and
Lebron James says that he's going to play in every
single game this season, whether or not he actually plays
in all of them.
Speaker 5 (58:16):
His availability. The Lakers go as those two goes.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
So if they are doing what we are seeing from
them so far in this very very small sample.
Speaker 5 (58:24):
Size, they will be a middle of the West playoff team. Right.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
I don't think they're going to be in that thunder
you know, timber Wolves tear right, but that sort of
maybe get out of the play in, but hovering in
the play in, maybe sneak into sixth range.
Speaker 2 (58:43):
And then maybe surprise people in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (58:45):
And here's the thing. You never want to face Lebron
James the postseason.
Speaker 5 (58:49):
An ever, anything can happen against Lebron James in the postseason.
So they're up.
Speaker 2 (58:53):
They are true.
Speaker 1 (58:55):
You know, it's just thank God to stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (58:58):
I know it feels like everything is hinging on a
d right now, like it feels like it always kind
of does.
Speaker 1 (59:04):
He's given it cut. He gave it to you guys
last year when you know it was largely the healthiest
Lebron and Anthony Davis that we've had. That's the one
thing is like, Okay, you got that largely healthy year.
They were still playing team and honestly, then they just
ran into Denver and they were up.
Speaker 5 (59:18):
To most of those games and ended up anyway.
Speaker 1 (59:20):
So I think it's going to be a similar trajectory
if they can have a healthy ad Lebron. It's similar
run through maybe barely out of the play and play
and range, and then it just about the straws you pull,
because there's an argument to be made if they didn't
run into Denver, Yeah, anything.
Speaker 2 (59:37):
May have happened. I know, I know.
Speaker 5 (59:41):
Denvers. We'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (59:44):
What starting five on Netflix. You watched that? How good
is that?
Speaker 1 (59:49):
You?
Speaker 2 (59:50):
Oh my god? I love it so much.
Speaker 9 (59:54):
It's Anthony Edwards when he when his when his girl
gave birth and he walks between and he goes, oh ship,
He's like, he's like, he goes.
Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
I think it's like, that's like her liver, because that's
like her liver.
Speaker 5 (01:00:10):
Anthony Edwards is Anthony Edwards in any room that he
walks into.
Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
He seems so cool. He's one of my favorite players.
Speaker 5 (01:00:17):
So much fun. So we're so so lucky he's so
much fun. Might be a problem for your speakers, No,
I know, I.
Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Know, of course, of course, yeah, I know. I'm gonna
let you go because I have to. But thank you guys,
so much fun.
Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
We had a blast.
Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
I appreciate you guys. Thank you, and I will be
watching you as always.
Speaker 5 (01:00:38):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Thank you. Guys. Know what's fun about this is I
get to meet all of these people who I see
on TV, you know, or the Olympian that I interviewed
right before the Olympics, or the Golden Bachelorette, you know,
these people who are just sort of doing their thing.
And then you've got Malik and Kendra, and you know,
(01:01:00):
it just adds to the experience of when I watch them,
I can become like a sort of a fan in
the sense that, oh, I know, her. Yeah, No, I
know her. I know her interviewer, and I love that.
I'm going to watch NBA today with like a different
reverence now because I'm like, I know her, I know her. Anyway.
That was so fun. Thank you guys, Thank you ladies
so much. I really appreciate that interview, really fun. I
(01:01:21):
wish I could have gotten more into sort of you know,
the up, the coming up, the getting into the you know,
NBA today, going to ESPN, what that was like. But
I always seem to get into these, you know, deeper
psychological conversations, you know. Anyway, all right, I'm gonna leave
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