September 18, 2025 • 33 mins
A conversation this spirited needs to breathe, so here's part 2 with psychic medium John Edward and special guest Goldie Hawn. The group goes deep into their fears and feelings about mortality, and John opens up about the shocking discoveries made while writing his new book "Chasing Evil" with ex-FBI agent Robert Hilland.
Plus, hear about the wild psychic gathering Kate wants to host at her home, and is someone in the group thinking of selling feet pics? Even psychic skeptics will get a kick out of this!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
We wanted to do something that highlighted our.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are
a sibling.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Railvalry.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
No, no, sibling, don't do that with your mouth, revelry.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
That's good. Welcome back to our conversation with psychic medium
John Edwards. So to reset the scene here, Kate is
joining over zoom. I'm sitting here with Mama Mama, Goldie
Mama Goldie Han, who's a massive John Edward fan, and
John himself, and I want to kick off part two
(00:56):
with something that I've always wanted to ask. Are you
afraid of death?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
I'm not at all? No, zero, nope, not afraid.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Are your kids afraid of death? Anyone?
Speaker 4 (01:07):
I've had very very open conversations with them because my
mom died when I when she was forty eight.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
My dad died when I was fifty nine. Wow, So
you know that'll come from great stock.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
So I'd never made it morbid, but I would always say,
especially when I started with my son, I'd be like, hey,
in case I get abducted by aliens, I want you
to know this. We had a lot of conversations that
started with that phrase, and then he was about twelve
years old. We took a walk and he goes, Dad,
you have a question. I went, sure, what's the question?
He goes, I get to psychic stuff, Like I get
that cool? When did you become When did you become
(01:40):
obsessed with alien abduction? And I like looked at him
and I was like, I'm not but my dad was
a big ufo guy, so I was like, justin making
a connection with my dad, right, I went right there?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
He goes, no, you're pretty you're pretty obsessed with aliens.
I'm like, justin. I go, I like Star Wars. I go,
but like, why are you are you saying? He goes, well,
you always say in case I get abducted by aliens.
I started to laugh. I went just I go, that
means like if I'm not on this dimension any longer
and I'm existing on a different dimension. I wanted you
to know whatever came next after that, he's well, that
(02:14):
means like when you die, that's what it sounds like.
And I go, yeah, it's pretty much what it means.
He goes, well, that's not funny. I go, never meant
to be funny. I go, how many conversations did we
have that we're so deep that started with that phrase?
He goes a lot. I go in one day when
you're a dad, I'm going to hear you say, hey,
you know, little Johnny, in case I get abducted by aliens,
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and there'll be a nugget that you'll start a conversation with.
And that's what I tell people. Like, So, if you're
listening to this and you come from a family that's
really not uey guy and emotional and connected where you
say the I love yous and all that, say it
in a way that you can get it across. Steal
the phrase, say in case I get abducted by aliens,
and then say the thing that you want to say
to the person, because it'll disarm the person that you're
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saying it too, and they'll receive what it is you say.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
You're aft. It's almost it's so obscure that it almost
attaches itself, you know what I mean? The alien thing
was so sort of out there that you are now remembering,
you know, the real nuggets of what came after that sentence.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
It disarms them and they're like, right, yeah, you have
that moment.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Well, it's funny because as kids, I mean, we have
a fear or a sadness projection, projecting. When your parents
are no longer with you, it's almost like a piece
of you is gone. I mean, you know, I've had
moments with Mom and Pau where I drop into that
place because it's masochistic, I guess where you just sort
of like, I want to try to feel what that
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feels like, and then you have to come out of
it because it's just horrifying.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
But take it to the next stop, right, take it
to the next place, have that conversation, say it right,
because it's a normal human thing to say, like, one
day I may not be here. Katie asked me that.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
She said, Mommy, are you afraid of dying? And I said, no,
I'm not afraid of dying. I just love life so
much I don't want to die.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
And one day everybody that's sitting in this room right
now won't be here in the physical force, I know, right,
And the reality is we will have a legacy of
love and communication hopefully that we've left behind for the
people to keep us very present. When I'm reading for someone,
A lot of my family stories come out, and when
I see the people in those stories that are now
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all gone, right, when I'm conveying a reading to a
complete stranger, but I'm seeing my aunt Rachel, or I'm
seeing my aunt Hannah, or I'm seeing a good friend
named Shelley. Whatever those people represent for me is now
what's being used as a symbol in that moment. They're
present in that moment. They're with me in that moment
because time is linear, right, Yeah, times doesn't exist there
now this here?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah? And do your kids and your wife and your
family and people around you. Is there a comfort in
death because of what you do and what you've seen
and what you've experienced, because they know that, you know,
when Dad goes or whatever he's they're all going to
be here around me. I think. So I hope.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
So, I mean, I hope I've done my job well
enough that I've inspired me exactly.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
I do when I go to bed at night, upon occasion,
not every night, but I do bring my guides around me,
and I invite them to join me in my sleep.
And there are a lot of my family and then
there are guides I probably will never.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Know until we get there, right, until we get there.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
So but I will say this, it is the most
comforting feeling to be able to basically ask for your guides,
your mother, your father, all the people around you, and
it's pure love. But there they are, and now I
am like a baby drift.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Off to sleep.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
It feels good. I ask myself the question of my
conjuring this up or am I really calling in my guides?
And I think that's something that I will never get
confirmation on probably.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
I kind of look at as like a text, right.
Sometimes you send a text to somebody, they will always
respond right way they have their if it's off, your
phones off, and then eventually they'll they'll get around to
seeing it. But your intention of sending that tex still
exists whether they've seen it or not. What you're asking,
what you're saying, what you're sharing, so it's received.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
There has to be such a fulfillment in what you
do too, because again we're going to get to the
book and we only have a little more time left.
But the fulfilling it is for you to sort of
gift people these things. I mean, it's truly giving, putting
people at ease a lot of the time. So you know,
I feel like, my job, does it ever become a
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job where you're like, next, it's a passion, it is.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
No, it's a passion, and that passion is to leave
people better than I find them with the responsibility. And
I have a huge feeling of like ethics that come
with like wanting to share and teach, Like I don't
like seeing the subject matter performed, they don't like seeing
it used in a performative way.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
So I actually on that note, and I wanted to
get into a little bit of how you became such
a success. You've got a TV show, you're making dough.
Now you're in entertainment. So was that a difficult thing
for you to try to square where it's like, well,
this is what I do, but now I'm actually I'm
actually monetizing what I do, and there is an entertainment factor,
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at least from the outside perspective.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
So no, And I'll tell you why, because I never
saw it as entertainment. I saw it as education. And
when I was very very young and I first started
out the psychic I met a psychae by the name
of Virginia, and she became a family friend and she's
like my mom's age, right, So I was like hanging
out with people like I'm fifteen sixteen hanging out with
forty year olds. And she came to the house and
my office phone rang and she answered the phone. She goes,
(07:43):
I'm gonna be your sistant today, and she answers the
phone and she books an appointment right as my assistant,
and she tripled my rate whatever it was. And I
looked at her like, George, that why are you saying that?
And she looked at me with this look and she
hung the phone up. She said, I've sat next to you.
I know what you're capable of doing. She goes, you're
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capable of doing stuff that you don't even know yet.
She goes, people can't pay you for what you do,
but they can't pay you for your time, and they
have to this way. They take it seriously. And I've
never forgotten that because you really can't put a price
on the connection, but you could. You could put a
price on the time, and then you have to if
you're going to do this from a from a business standpoint.
So I was always okay with squaring Away, like, Okay,
(08:27):
well how do I do this because nobody's gonna pay
my mortgage?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Right?
Speaker 4 (08:30):
I do this because nobody's gonna.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Pay my taxes.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
And then how do I make myself available? And then
that just became the structure the the television shows, the books,
all teaching opportunities. Right, everything has been a teaching opportunity.
But this book is a different one for me.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Did you say psychic fair?
Speaker 4 (08:47):
You heard me?
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I can't imagine imagine walking through that fair, psychic Fair.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
I want to go, Oh my.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
God, you're fucked up about this was going on? Oh Jesus,
you're gonna make me alliens. Wait a minute, you're gonna die.
Think about it like a.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Hotelroom, right, a hotel warroom, and there's like table and chairs,
and you have two psychics per table, and from eleven
to five, every fifteen minutes people would book a reading
with different people and and it was like almost like
a speed dating for psychics.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
I go to a psychic fair.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
That would be amazing, so much fun.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
John, I want a teacher?
Speaker 4 (09:29):
How do I find a teacher? So I think it's
important to decide what kind of thing you want to study.
I always say look at the person's intention, Like, you know,
I'm not a big fan of of certifications. There are
a lot of people that like do like certification courses,
and to me, I feel like, let me charge you
a lot of money, and then I'm gonna give you
a piece of paper at the end to show you
why I charge you a lot of money. I'm not
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a fan of that, isn't that And no disrespect to
the people out there who you know who do that.
That's their business, that's their business model, not for me.
In fact, I did a course and I made sure
that part of the selling of the course that they
couldn't use my name and that they couldn't say I
studied with John right, because I was like, I don't know, no, no,
(10:14):
I'm not okay with that.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
So well, how would you how would you point Kate
in the right direction of finding someone?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Well, there's not just one thing that you would study.
So you'd have to have somebody that maybe taught you
how to meditate, and you'd have to have somebody that
would teach you maybe basic astrology and basic numerology, and
then you can have somebody that could teach you taro.
And then what now you're doing is you're having your
teachers that specialize in the field, and then you bring
all that together and you break it together in the
(10:42):
mind of Kate, right, and then you recognize what you
would resonate, and then more than likely you would say,
you know what, I liked numerology.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I liked taro.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Wow, astrology really talked to me. That becomes the tool
that you would use for me. It was taro like
you put a deck cara cards in my hands, and
all of a sudden like it was just like, yeah,
I used to play piano. And when I played piano
from the age of five until sixteen, I would practice
sometimes two to three hours a day until my hand's
like really really hurt. And the piano teacher would say,
why do you practice so much? And I was like,
(11:15):
get feelings from the keys, like the keys talk to me.
And the piano teacher said, he's going to be like
he's going to be a And then the most amazing
thing happened, and that was when a deck of tarot
cards were put in my hands. The piano stopped talking,
but the cards didn't. So it was almost like The
executive producer of Crossing Over as a man by the
(11:36):
name of Paul Shavelson, and when I told him that story,
he said, oh, that makes complete sense.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
To me.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
He goes, they were tuning you like an instrument, use
them the piano until they put the next instrument. The
cards in your hands, he goes, until you recognize you
didn't need them. Wow, but I still love them.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
That's so great.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Do you find that they became this sort of like
structure but that you didn't really need?
Speaker 4 (11:58):
No, I didn't really they were my dumbos Feather's.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah. Cool.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Now do you ever wake up in the middle of
the night and have visitations or things that come to
you that like does it or like do you get disrupted?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah? And I'm piggyback on that. I was going to ask,
you have to turn it off? Or can you turn
it on and turn it off?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
You have to as a professionally, you always have to
kind of turn it off. You can't just be on.
It's not helping you. And plus, if you're choosing to
be on, then from an ego standpoint, you're allowing yourself
to be open, which means that you can literally pick
up on other people's stuff and then take it upon
yourself to go, oh my god, I'm getting this. I
should I should say this. And if you're not in
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the environment where this is happening, then it's not really
appropriate to enter someone's vibration without out there consent. You
can do more damage than good because you don't know
where they are in their journey of grief. So ambush readings,
I'm not okay with you. See that a lot on
YouTube and people they do. I'm like, yeah, not cool.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, and what about visitations for you.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Visitations for me? If that happens, it happens for things
that more connected to me personally, so it's not gonna
happen for a client. But they'll sometimes they will wake
me upkay to give me information. And sometimes they will
wake me up to give me information and then they
won't let me go back to sleep unless I write
it down wow, right in case I don't remember it.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Yeah, when you're talking to people, like, for instance, you're
talking to us, do things come up for you as
you're when you're connecting that you just don't get into
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so that you can have normal conversations.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Yes, yes, I try to keep myself off unless I'm
in an environment where I am already on.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
One more question. Then the psychics in these rich neighbors
like Brentwood right on Samma Sente there's these huge things,
this psychic on it. That building must cost twenty thousand
dollars in rent. Is that or is that not a
money laundering center? Because I see them everywhere in these
rich neighbor I'm like, how are they affording the rent?
(14:15):
And there has to be some money launder.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Can I tell you I've never looked at it that way?
I have never, but now maybe I will.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Okay, good, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
I know it's really lucrative over there. Oh gosh, how
are these people really expensive? Part?
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I know that there have been like issues with certain
places like that where they get people that are extremely
global come in and then they tell them they have
a curse on them, and now they've got to pay
them five thousand dollars to exactly hands and then now
the rent is made because if you get multiple people
who do that, and if you have a family that's
living there, so now it's kind of their residence. In
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the front of that is a store with a little
palm with the neons on that says, you know whatever, Yeah,
And I think we have to be careful about stuff
like that. Yes, And I think that just because some
has the word psychic in front of their name, or
medium in front of their name, and they are a
good talker if they don't deliver information. And there's a
very big difference between information and emotion.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
M M.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
So I always tell people when somebody's giving you information
as a psychic, do you want them to be emotional,
animated and crying over you? Or do you want them
to be like a doctor, surgical, precise and giving you insights.
This way you could feel the way you want to feel. Yeah,
And I think where we are in today's society when
you look at reality shows, when you look at the TikTok,
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and you look at where people get attention, I never
want to see the subject matter put into that position
because ultimately we're talking about people's grief. Yeah, we're talking
about people's loved ones. You're talking about like how that
person can evolve through where they're at.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Okay, So the book, how did this start? Why did
you decide to write this book? We talked a little
bit before we got on the air here that you
have only written in books to sort of help people, right,
and that you have a bit of anxiety around this
one because it has some flash to it. R had
some sizzle to it.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
So I left television and I launched something called Evolve
plus tv dot com, which is kind of like I think, Kay,
you would love that, right. It is a one stop
destination where I have all these people that are verified
that come and they teach. So it is the epitome
of where I'm at in my career. But in the background,
I've been helping Bob for twenty five years and there
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was one specific case a few years ago where it's
a very very sad story and we opened the book
with this little boy that's missing and when he's found,
and again, I want to just it's a dark and
a very sad story. And it's probably the only only
experience I had with him on this journey where I
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had a sense of urgency and I think it was
the daddy in me that kicked in for this little boy.
I felt Bob needed to be validated. It was the
first time ever in my knowing him that when this
little boy was found and he was intrinsic into finding that,
there was a press conference that was happening, and he
was describing the press conference and I remember saying, like,
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nobody's going to know what he did. Nobody's going to
know how he found this kid, like what he did,
not what I did. What he did as a sacrifice.
And I said, Bob, if you want to step in
front of that camera today and acknowledge your involvement, I'll
support you. And I remember he was like, no, I
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don't think so, and this part of me that was like, oh, right, right,
you know, But it was the first time that I
remember feeling he needed this, like he needed to be
validated like this. And then just through a series of
other conversations and other cases and other stuff, he retired
from the FBI, and then that feeling was bigger, like okay,
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and there's an overarching story in this book, you know,
like this one case and they always say, like investigators
have that one case. This is a big case. It's
a really really big case. And he was successful in
one aspect but not in another. So there's this like
unfinished China whatever, and a lot of sacrifices got made
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in this man's life for the betterment of other people.
And I said to him, I go, is it time
And like he was, I think it's time. My kids
are older. And I was like, I'll support you in
whatever way I possibly can, And it kind of came
to fruition by people saying, well, will you be in it?
I was like, yeah, I'll be in it, Like yeah,
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I'll do it. No, no, no, will you be in it?
I was like, you mean like be in it, like
beyond it and they were like yeah. I was like,
is that's going to be what's necessary? And they were like,
we'd like it to be the perspective of both. And
that was a that was the moment we talked about.
I was like, oh, okay. And it turned out to
be a pretty transferrmative thing for me because here's what
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John Edward learned. He had some serious, unresolved daddy issues
that I thought I dealt with, and this book was
a reflection of me having to work through. Like, yes,
I did the work. I understood my dad had an
alcohol problem, and I understood who he was, and I
understood why my mom and dad weren't together, and I
understood why I went no contact, and I understood all
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of these things and I kind of wrapped it up
with a nice little bow. Yeah, but guess what the
little me inside was apparently needing some validation, and what
did the universe send in an FBI agent who has
the same patriarchal energy that my dad did, who gave
me the validation, showed me value, and I was able
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to help him and get appreciation back. So who knew
that this cathartic thing is going to happen from an
FBI guy trying to come expose me as a fraud?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Right? And that is that in the book? In the book,
that's great.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Yeah, so Chasing Evil is all about it's his journey,
my journey, and like supernatural and true crime coming together exactly.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
But also talking about your personal stories, your emotions, what
you learn.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Also how so many people in the world carry that. Yeah,
they figure it out, they're strategically thinking, I know my
father was this, my mother was that. They've made it
all okay in one way or another, but they never
at the end of the day, where are you and
all of that. It's good to have your executive function working,
but where is that buried emotional construct that you haven't
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really experienced and that was opened up by doing this,
which is such an amazing, unpredictable.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
It's not traditional like we always think that traditionally you
go to therapy da da, da da. But for anything
you needed there it was a non traditional thing, which yeah, seriously,
I was like, yeah, totally good. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
No.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I mean when I was getting my wife now for
twenty five years, but when we were getting together and
talking about stuff and you know, my issues with my dad,
and she would she said to me something that was like,
she goes, yeah, you recognize them, but you haven't done
anything to help yourself. Oh yeah, I know this happened,
and I get it. I'm good, I get it, I
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know it, figured it out like you said, wrap it
up in a little bow. I got it. But she's like,
you haven't done anything to sort of better yourself or
dig through, right.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
And then you become the dad right and then now
oh gosh, right as you was the dad, like I
remember when my son was born, I was like, oh
am I going to mess this kid up? Like I
don't have anything to pull from here, Like I don't
have any So what I did was I whipped out
my psychic toolbox and I energetically parented my son and
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knocked it out of the park by giving him things
that I didn't get from my dad exactly. And then
five years later, when my daughter showed up, I had
this quiet confidence like I got it I got this, Yeah,
And then she showed up and my dad was an aquarius.
He's an aquarian, right, he's passed, but he's an aquarian.
And I saw what my daughter's birthday it was going
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to be. She was an aquarian, and I went oh.
I was like, this is going to be the universal
seesaw so what I didn't deal with with my dad? Right,
the Aquarian Libra parent child relationship inverted and it became
me and Olivia. And when Olivia came into this world,
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she came in with an energy of not liking me.
It was a very weird dynamic. And everybody used to
go like, oh my god, she's your little girl. Does
she have you wrapped around her? Nope? Nope, not even
a little bit. YEA loved her. Mom did not like me,
and it set up a universal dynamic that could have
(22:43):
perpetuated a negative relationship. And that's why I could say
I did the work. I recognized there I need to
do the work. And then chasing evil kind of just
now became the now it's time for you to work
on you.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
And that's did you have to come to Jesus. Moment
went with your dad before he passed, you did, so
you had you.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Got it all out and figured it out multiple times.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
You did multiple times.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Where it wasn't unresolved me. Yeah, my feelings about it. Yeah,
Like I could be logical about it. I could be
logical and say, well, you know, he had issues, he
had some stuff that he had to navigate and didn't
make him a bad person. That made him a bad dad.
And by the way, everybody loved him. So everybody loved
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my dad.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Yeah, everybody facing their truths. It's hard and sometimes you
need these catalysts to get there, but you have actually
will help so many people realize you know how to
shake yourself from some of these what we call cyclical
cyclical thinking or un lack thereof of the emotional connections.
(23:52):
Emotions are so important and powerful. So you're because a
way that you're going to unlock a lot of.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
A lot of things.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Hope.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
So, and I want everybody, like Kate, I want everybody
to be a student of the universe because we're all
here to learn.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Right.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
So for anybody that's feeling stuck, you may think, oh
my god, I need to go get a mediumship reading. No,
you don't go have your astrological chart one and go
to the place where you think that the stuck part happened,
or go to the moment where you know that it happened,
which could have been twenty years ago, and have that
astrologer that you feel comfortable with literally talk you through
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what was the lesson I was supposed to learn from that,
because I promise you, from that moment on that lesson
has been being taught to you over and over and
over again.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Oh yeah, no, no, no, I just I just found
a journal from twenty five years ago and I started
reading it and it was depressing because it's still the
same shit that I deal with today. I'm like, have
I not learned anything? You know? It's like, you need
to be more confident, you need to fucking am I
What the fuck I'm supposed to have shifted by now?
(25:02):
It's crazy you have those It's they're sticky. Those deeper
issues are sticky.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
Oh absolutely, I mean you know still. I mean I
I people didn't think I was smart when I was little.
I had a learning disability, and you know, I didn't
know it, and you know, we didn't know. You know what,
you couldn't read very well, you know, because you maybe dyslexic.
But those things we didn't know, and I felt stupid.
I signed every all my papers at the end, Love Goldie.
(25:32):
But they weren't finished, right, they were unfinished papers. But
I made sure that there was love in the room.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Well, if you if you finish, you did it finish
because love Goldie means that it's an end. There's an
end to it.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
Yeah, no, no, I ended it, but not at the
right time.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Yeah, it's like how much.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
It's like how mom texts. Yeah, yeah, you don't know
what just happened, but it does level.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Right, Okay, I love me too. Does a book read
like it's not? It's non fiction, but but does it
read It's got that punch to it. It's like there's
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some pros and.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
You know, it's a it's a roller coaster. You come
on the journey with us on these cases.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
It's amazing.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
You come on both journeys. You come on the transformational
journey and you come on the criminal journey.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
What a great idea it would also be.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
It's going to be such a great book and also
be such a great podcast.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Yeah, it's funny you should say that because I want
Bob to do a true crime pop. I don't want
him to do it be great crime podcast podcast.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
But with that, like in connection, what an interesting, what
a fun.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
You're being psychic because I literally told him last night.
I was like, you need to be doing a true
crime podcast. I go, I could drop in from time
to time, but you should investigate like all these other
big cases.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
He's a great Yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Tell you a little story. So I had in my house,
my last house, I had a lot of water was
being turned on its own, voices were being heard from
you know, oh yeah, TV's off and on one time
that one TV went on so loud I couldn't believe it.
In the middle of the night. It was like, okay,
this is enough, all right. I did see a lady
in the doorway. I told her if she wants to
(27:21):
stay here, she can, don't worry about it. Just don't
do any truth.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
Welcoming, very welcoming, you.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
Know, along, but whatever. I got a little information in
the meantime. Then I called someone I know that is
a medium, and I said to him, by the way,
I need somebody here to clear the house. Right So anyway,
brought this woman in literally four foot you know seven,
which is tiny, and she was someone that had this
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vision where she saw things when she was very little.
So anyway, so he comes and he brings her to
the house and she's sitting on I'm a little bit
late for the meeting. I come in and she says
to me, Okay, it's not I just want to tell you.
I didn't know her from Adam. But she said, what
we're trying to do here, it's not the woman you
saw in the house. This is a young man, okay,
who's been with you for many, many years. He's been
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around you and he's which we had to look this up,
but he was killed during a Sharon tate, they said,
and that's where it came up. But he was explaining
that he was delivering a video for and he worked
in a video shop. So that particular night when all
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that happened, there was someone that came to the house
delivering videos.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
So it all worked out because.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
Nobody really knew that, and they had researched while I
was gone to Anyway, I couldn't believe it, she said,
But because that was my early days. He was in
early movies, and he was in the movies. He fell
in love with Goldie, right, and you know, at a
crush whatever, and she said, he's never left you and
he has not crossed over. And then he's said a
(29:01):
few things to me, which you know, happened to be
around what a private issue. But it was so true,
and I thought, what are we going to do? And
at which point she said, I will help him move over,
you know. But it was very interesting to hear that
that she knew nothing about that, and that he has
followed me in many places that I've been so.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Like checking in now, like checking in with you.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
He's like checking in and I and I mentioned, you
know something about Wyatt and something about hockey, Like, yeah,
how does he know about that? From the other side,
So the questionnaire is, Okay, she put seeds around the house,
she put seeds up to but she relates the house.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
After that everything happened. Nothing went on. We didn't have
any water coming out of anything, or TV's going on.
It all seemed to stop. I guess my question is
is that true?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I mean, do people connect attach them?
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Is that true? I've not had that experience me personally.
I do a lot of protection work. I do a
lot of energetic protection. I've never had somebody tellment they
were stuck. I've never had somebody tell me that they
didn't crossover. I've dealt with a lot of tragedies, and
you know, I think that there's a process when people
evolve through the physical world to the AfterAll, I can't
(30:23):
really speak to that because I wasn't that wasn't there
to feel that with what that is. It's like almost
like assessing another case that I can't really kind of
speak to you. Sometimes the interpretation that people have, Like
for example, I've was brought into a house that was
allegedly haunted, right, and there was real activity. I believe
the activity was happening. And I said to the home owner,
I said, is there like a young girl going through
(30:45):
puberty in this house? And she said, yeah, you're feeling that.
And I was like, no, that's what's happening in your house,
and she's like, excuse me. I go, It's just it's
a known thing that when a young girl's going through
puberty that the electromagnetic energy and field around them presents
as if like their space is haunted because it affects
like electromagnetic frequencies like flighting and things and all that
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kind of stuff happens. So Wow, I don't.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Know your daughter's twelve. So here we go.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Get ready, Kate. Did they just tell you that you
may have to change like the nail polish on your
toes or something, or was there some conversation that you
just had. No, what was the conversation about your feet?
Speaker 3 (31:25):
I haven't had a conversation about my feet.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
He did not today. No, I'm supposed to tell you
talk about the conversation about your either your toes. Now,
this is my interpretation, So I don't want to take
you to Philadelphia. But it seems like I'm supposed to validate,
like what's happening around you. So I don't know if
you guys were talking about like you're going to be
doing something and they're going to show your feet and
you have to make sure your feet are looking a
certain way, or.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
Oh my god, well I can tell you that she
has the feet of my mother.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
You got grandma's feet, Kate, Like it just happens like
this is recent.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
I mean, we weren't talking about my feet. I don't
think we were talking about my feet.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Who were you talking about? Not today? Are your feet
going to be exposed or seen?
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Wait?
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Are we going to find out your own wiki feet
or exactly, I.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Do only fans. I'm going to do fans puppet. Yes,
we have discussed in this makeup trailer that I'm going
to do an only fans with feet puppets, and and
then I was going to create like little characters out
of my feet. This is real, and that I was
(32:38):
going to create like scenarios like oh like like my
feet would have like leader hosen and be in the Alps.
My feet would be like on the like kayaking on
the beach and like a little thing of water, like
we would do these little cheet characters.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
Well that's that's.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
I'm going to say. Yeah, very lucrative.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Well this has been amazing. Man, We've held you pretty
long here. One more question. How excited are you about
Taylor Swift's engagement. I mean, isn't it fantastic.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
I'm so overwhelming. I can't even control my mind. I
know me too, it's just I'm going to contain it.
It's just big time stuff. Well, thank you so much, man,
really really fun. I could talk to you for hours and.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
You for having me. It was really really great.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
I'm reading the book.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
The book is called Chasing Evil, Shocking Crime supernatural forces
and an FBI agent's search for hope and justice. Is
available orherever books are sold, Go get it. It's incredible.
It's a great read, edge of the seat stuff. Thank you, John,
thank you, appreciate you. Thanks Mama, thank you.
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
We wanted to do something that highlighted our.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are
a sibling.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Railvalry.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
No, no, sibling, don't do that with your mouth, revelry.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
That's good. Welcome back to our conversation with psychic medium
John Edwards. So to reset the scene here, Kate is
joining over zoom. I'm sitting here with Mama Mama, Goldie
Mama Goldie Han, who's a massive John Edward fan, and
John himself, and I want to kick off part two
(00:56):
with something that I've always wanted to ask. Are you
afraid of death?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
I'm not at all? No, zero, nope, not afraid.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Are your kids afraid of death? Anyone?
Speaker 4 (01:07):
I've had very very open conversations with them because my
mom died when I when she was forty eight.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
My dad died when I was fifty nine. Wow, So
you know that'll come from great stock.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
So I'd never made it morbid, but I would always say,
especially when I started with my son, I'd be like, hey,
in case I get abducted by aliens, I want you
to know this. We had a lot of conversations that
started with that phrase, and then he was about twelve
years old. We took a walk and he goes, Dad,
you have a question. I went, sure, what's the question?
He goes, I get to psychic stuff, Like I get
that cool? When did you become When did you become
(01:40):
obsessed with alien abduction? And I like looked at him
and I was like, I'm not but my dad was
a big ufo guy, so I was like, justin making
a connection with my dad, right, I went right there?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
He goes, no, you're pretty you're pretty obsessed with aliens.
I'm like, justin. I go, I like Star Wars. I go,
but like, why are you are you saying? He goes, well,
you always say in case I get abducted by aliens.
I started to laugh. I went just I go, that
means like if I'm not on this dimension any longer
and I'm existing on a different dimension. I wanted you
to know whatever came next after that, he's well, that
(02:14):
means like when you die, that's what it sounds like.
And I go, yeah, it's pretty much what it means.
He goes, well, that's not funny. I go, never meant
to be funny. I go, how many conversations did we
have that we're so deep that started with that phrase?
He goes a lot. I go in one day when
you're a dad, I'm going to hear you say, hey,
you know, little Johnny, in case I get abducted by aliens,
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and there'll be a nugget that you'll start a conversation with.
And that's what I tell people. Like, So, if you're
listening to this and you come from a family that's
really not uey guy and emotional and connected where you
say the I love yous and all that, say it
in a way that you can get it across. Steal
the phrase, say in case I get abducted by aliens,
and then say the thing that you want to say
to the person, because it'll disarm the person that you're
(02:57):
saying it too, and they'll receive what it is you say.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
You're aft. It's almost it's so obscure that it almost
attaches itself, you know what I mean? The alien thing
was so sort of out there that you are now remembering,
you know, the real nuggets of what came after that sentence.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
It disarms them and they're like, right, yeah, you have
that moment.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Well, it's funny because as kids, I mean, we have
a fear or a sadness projection, projecting. When your parents
are no longer with you, it's almost like a piece
of you is gone. I mean, you know, I've had
moments with Mom and Pau where I drop into that
place because it's masochistic, I guess where you just sort
of like, I want to try to feel what that
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feels like, and then you have to come out of
it because it's just horrifying.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
But take it to the next stop, right, take it
to the next place, have that conversation, say it right,
because it's a normal human thing to say, like, one
day I may not be here. Katie asked me that.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
She said, Mommy, are you afraid of dying? And I said, no,
I'm not afraid of dying. I just love life so
much I don't want to die.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
And one day everybody that's sitting in this room right
now won't be here in the physical force, I know, right,
And the reality is we will have a legacy of
love and communication hopefully that we've left behind for the
people to keep us very present. When I'm reading for someone,
A lot of my family stories come out, and when
I see the people in those stories that are now
(04:26):
all gone, right, when I'm conveying a reading to a
complete stranger, but I'm seeing my aunt Rachel, or I'm
seeing my aunt Hannah, or I'm seeing a good friend
named Shelley. Whatever those people represent for me is now
what's being used as a symbol in that moment. They're
present in that moment. They're with me in that moment
because time is linear, right, Yeah, times doesn't exist there
now this here?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah? And do your kids and your wife and your
family and people around you. Is there a comfort in
death because of what you do and what you've seen
and what you've experienced, because they know that, you know,
when Dad goes or whatever he's they're all going to
be here around me. I think. So I hope.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
So, I mean, I hope I've done my job well
enough that I've inspired me exactly.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
I do when I go to bed at night, upon occasion,
not every night, but I do bring my guides around me,
and I invite them to join me in my sleep.
And there are a lot of my family and then
there are guides I probably will never.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Know until we get there, right, until we get there.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
So but I will say this, it is the most
comforting feeling to be able to basically ask for your guides,
your mother, your father, all the people around you, and
it's pure love. But there they are, and now I
am like a baby drift.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Off to sleep.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
It feels good. I ask myself the question of my
conjuring this up or am I really calling in my guides?
And I think that's something that I will never get
confirmation on probably.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
I kind of look at as like a text, right.
Sometimes you send a text to somebody, they will always
respond right way they have their if it's off, your
phones off, and then eventually they'll they'll get around to
seeing it. But your intention of sending that tex still
exists whether they've seen it or not. What you're asking,
what you're saying, what you're sharing, so it's received.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
There has to be such a fulfillment in what you
do too, because again we're going to get to the
book and we only have a little more time left.
But the fulfilling it is for you to sort of
gift people these things. I mean, it's truly giving, putting
people at ease a lot of the time. So you know,
I feel like, my job, does it ever become a
(06:37):
job where you're like, next, it's a passion, it is.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
No, it's a passion, and that passion is to leave
people better than I find them with the responsibility. And
I have a huge feeling of like ethics that come
with like wanting to share and teach, Like I don't
like seeing the subject matter performed, they don't like seeing
it used in a performative way.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
So I actually on that note, and I wanted to
get into a little bit of how you became such
a success. You've got a TV show, you're making dough.
Now you're in entertainment. So was that a difficult thing
for you to try to square where it's like, well,
this is what I do, but now I'm actually I'm
actually monetizing what I do, and there is an entertainment factor,
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at least from the outside perspective.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
So no, And I'll tell you why, because I never
saw it as entertainment. I saw it as education. And
when I was very very young and I first started
out the psychic I met a psychae by the name
of Virginia, and she became a family friend and she's
like my mom's age, right, So I was like hanging
out with people like I'm fifteen sixteen hanging out with
forty year olds. And she came to the house and
my office phone rang and she answered the phone. She goes,
(07:43):
I'm gonna be your sistant today, and she answers the
phone and she books an appointment right as my assistant,
and she tripled my rate whatever it was. And I
looked at her like, George, that why are you saying that?
And she looked at me with this look and she
hung the phone up. She said, I've sat next to you.
I know what you're capable of doing. She goes, you're
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capable of doing stuff that you don't even know yet.
She goes, people can't pay you for what you do,
but they can't pay you for your time, and they
have to this way. They take it seriously. And I've
never forgotten that because you really can't put a price
on the connection, but you could. You could put a
price on the time, and then you have to if
you're going to do this from a from a business standpoint.
So I was always okay with squaring Away, like, Okay,
(08:27):
well how do I do this because nobody's gonna pay
my mortgage?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Right?
Speaker 4 (08:30):
I do this because nobody's gonna.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Pay my taxes.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
And then how do I make myself available? And then
that just became the structure the the television shows, the books,
all teaching opportunities. Right, everything has been a teaching opportunity.
But this book is a different one for me.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Did you say psychic fair?
Speaker 4 (08:47):
You heard me?
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I can't imagine imagine walking through that fair, psychic Fair.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
I want to go, Oh my.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
God, you're fucked up about this was going on? Oh Jesus,
you're gonna make me alliens. Wait a minute, you're gonna die.
Think about it like a.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Hotelroom, right, a hotel warroom, and there's like table and chairs,
and you have two psychics per table, and from eleven
to five, every fifteen minutes people would book a reading
with different people and and it was like almost like
a speed dating for psychics.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
I go to a psychic fair.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
That would be amazing, so much fun.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
John, I want a teacher?
Speaker 4 (09:29):
How do I find a teacher? So I think it's
important to decide what kind of thing you want to study.
I always say look at the person's intention, Like, you know,
I'm not a big fan of of certifications. There are
a lot of people that like do like certification courses,
and to me, I feel like, let me charge you
a lot of money, and then I'm gonna give you
a piece of paper at the end to show you
why I charge you a lot of money. I'm not
(09:51):
a fan of that, isn't that And no disrespect to
the people out there who you know who do that.
That's their business, that's their business model, not for me.
In fact, I did a course and I made sure
that part of the selling of the course that they
couldn't use my name and that they couldn't say I
studied with John right, because I was like, I don't know, no, no,
(10:14):
I'm not okay with that.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
So well, how would you how would you point Kate
in the right direction of finding someone?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Well, there's not just one thing that you would study.
So you'd have to have somebody that maybe taught you
how to meditate, and you'd have to have somebody that
would teach you maybe basic astrology and basic numerology, and
then you can have somebody that could teach you taro.
And then what now you're doing is you're having your
teachers that specialize in the field, and then you bring
all that together and you break it together in the
(10:42):
mind of Kate, right, and then you recognize what you
would resonate, and then more than likely you would say,
you know what, I liked numerology.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I liked taro.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Wow, astrology really talked to me. That becomes the tool
that you would use for me. It was taro like
you put a deck cara cards in my hands, and
all of a sudden like it was just like, yeah,
I used to play piano. And when I played piano
from the age of five until sixteen, I would practice
sometimes two to three hours a day until my hand's
like really really hurt. And the piano teacher would say,
why do you practice so much? And I was like,
(11:15):
get feelings from the keys, like the keys talk to me.
And the piano teacher said, he's going to be like
he's going to be a And then the most amazing
thing happened, and that was when a deck of tarot
cards were put in my hands. The piano stopped talking,
but the cards didn't. So it was almost like The
executive producer of Crossing Over as a man by the
(11:36):
name of Paul Shavelson, and when I told him that story,
he said, oh, that makes complete sense.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
To me.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
He goes, they were tuning you like an instrument, use
them the piano until they put the next instrument. The
cards in your hands, he goes, until you recognize you
didn't need them. Wow, but I still love them.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
That's so great.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Do you find that they became this sort of like
structure but that you didn't really need?
Speaker 4 (11:58):
No, I didn't really they were my dumbos Feather's.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah. Cool.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Now do you ever wake up in the middle of
the night and have visitations or things that come to
you that like does it or like do you get disrupted?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah? And I'm piggyback on that. I was going to ask,
you have to turn it off? Or can you turn
it on and turn it off?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
You have to as a professionally, you always have to
kind of turn it off. You can't just be on.
It's not helping you. And plus, if you're choosing to
be on, then from an ego standpoint, you're allowing yourself
to be open, which means that you can literally pick
up on other people's stuff and then take it upon
yourself to go, oh my god, I'm getting this. I
should I should say this. And if you're not in
(12:38):
the environment where this is happening, then it's not really
appropriate to enter someone's vibration without out there consent. You
can do more damage than good because you don't know
where they are in their journey of grief. So ambush readings,
I'm not okay with you. See that a lot on
YouTube and people they do. I'm like, yeah, not cool.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, and what about visitations for you.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Visitations for me? If that happens, it happens for things
that more connected to me personally, so it's not gonna
happen for a client. But they'll sometimes they will wake
me upkay to give me information. And sometimes they will
wake me up to give me information and then they
won't let me go back to sleep unless I write
it down wow, right in case I don't remember it.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Yeah, when you're talking to people, like, for instance, you're
talking to us, do things come up for you as
you're when you're connecting that you just don't get into
(13:39):
so that you can have normal conversations.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Yes, yes, I try to keep myself off unless I'm
in an environment where I am already on.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
One more question. Then the psychics in these rich neighbors
like Brentwood right on Samma Sente there's these huge things,
this psychic on it. That building must cost twenty thousand
dollars in rent. Is that or is that not a
money laundering center? Because I see them everywhere in these
rich neighbor I'm like, how are they affording the rent?
(14:15):
And there has to be some money launder.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Can I tell you I've never looked at it that way?
I have never, but now maybe I will.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Okay, good, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
I know it's really lucrative over there. Oh gosh, how
are these people really expensive? Part?
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I know that there have been like issues with certain
places like that where they get people that are extremely
global come in and then they tell them they have
a curse on them, and now they've got to pay
them five thousand dollars to exactly hands and then now
the rent is made because if you get multiple people
who do that, and if you have a family that's
living there, so now it's kind of their residence. In
(14:51):
the front of that is a store with a little
palm with the neons on that says, you know whatever, Yeah,
And I think we have to be careful about stuff
like that. Yes, And I think that just because some
has the word psychic in front of their name, or
medium in front of their name, and they are a
good talker if they don't deliver information. And there's a
very big difference between information and emotion.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
M M.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
So I always tell people when somebody's giving you information
as a psychic, do you want them to be emotional,
animated and crying over you? Or do you want them
to be like a doctor, surgical, precise and giving you insights.
This way you could feel the way you want to feel. Yeah,
And I think where we are in today's society when
you look at reality shows, when you look at the TikTok,
(15:35):
and you look at where people get attention, I never
want to see the subject matter put into that position
because ultimately we're talking about people's grief. Yeah, we're talking
about people's loved ones. You're talking about like how that
person can evolve through where they're at.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Okay, So the book, how did this start? Why did
you decide to write this book? We talked a little
bit before we got on the air here that you
have only written in books to sort of help people, right,
and that you have a bit of anxiety around this
one because it has some flash to it. R had
some sizzle to it.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
So I left television and I launched something called Evolve
plus tv dot com, which is kind of like I think, Kay,
you would love that, right. It is a one stop
destination where I have all these people that are verified
that come and they teach. So it is the epitome
of where I'm at in my career. But in the background,
I've been helping Bob for twenty five years and there
(16:28):
was one specific case a few years ago where it's
a very very sad story and we opened the book
with this little boy that's missing and when he's found,
and again, I want to just it's a dark and
a very sad story. And it's probably the only only
experience I had with him on this journey where I
(16:49):
had a sense of urgency and I think it was
the daddy in me that kicked in for this little boy.
I felt Bob needed to be validated. It was the
first time ever in my knowing him that when this
little boy was found and he was intrinsic into finding that,
there was a press conference that was happening, and he
was describing the press conference and I remember saying, like,
(17:12):
nobody's going to know what he did. Nobody's going to
know how he found this kid, like what he did,
not what I did. What he did as a sacrifice.
And I said, Bob, if you want to step in
front of that camera today and acknowledge your involvement, I'll
support you. And I remember he was like, no, I
(17:33):
don't think so, and this part of me that was like, oh, right, right,
you know, But it was the first time that I
remember feeling he needed this, like he needed to be
validated like this. And then just through a series of
other conversations and other cases and other stuff, he retired
from the FBI, and then that feeling was bigger, like okay,
(17:55):
and there's an overarching story in this book, you know,
like this one case and they always say, like investigators
have that one case. This is a big case. It's
a really really big case. And he was successful in
one aspect but not in another. So there's this like
unfinished China whatever, and a lot of sacrifices got made
(18:18):
in this man's life for the betterment of other people.
And I said to him, I go, is it time
And like he was, I think it's time. My kids
are older. And I was like, I'll support you in
whatever way I possibly can, And it kind of came
to fruition by people saying, well, will you be in it?
I was like, yeah, I'll be in it, Like yeah,
(18:38):
I'll do it. No, no, no, will you be in it?
I was like, you mean like be in it, like
beyond it and they were like yeah. I was like,
is that's going to be what's necessary? And they were like,
we'd like it to be the perspective of both. And
that was a that was the moment we talked about.
I was like, oh, okay. And it turned out to
be a pretty transferrmative thing for me because here's what
(19:02):
John Edward learned. He had some serious, unresolved daddy issues
that I thought I dealt with, and this book was
a reflection of me having to work through. Like, yes,
I did the work. I understood my dad had an
alcohol problem, and I understood who he was, and I
understood why my mom and dad weren't together, and I
understood why I went no contact, and I understood all
(19:23):
of these things and I kind of wrapped it up
with a nice little bow. Yeah, but guess what the
little me inside was apparently needing some validation, and what
did the universe send in an FBI agent who has
the same patriarchal energy that my dad did, who gave
me the validation, showed me value, and I was able
(19:44):
to help him and get appreciation back. So who knew
that this cathartic thing is going to happen from an
FBI guy trying to come expose me as a fraud?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Right? And that is that in the book? In the book,
that's great.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Yeah, so Chasing Evil is all about it's his journey,
my journey, and like supernatural and true crime coming together exactly.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
But also talking about your personal stories, your emotions, what
you learn.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Also how so many people in the world carry that. Yeah,
they figure it out, they're strategically thinking, I know my
father was this, my mother was that. They've made it
all okay in one way or another, but they never
at the end of the day, where are you and
all of that. It's good to have your executive function working,
but where is that buried emotional construct that you haven't
(20:31):
really experienced and that was opened up by doing this,
which is such an amazing, unpredictable.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
It's not traditional like we always think that traditionally you
go to therapy da da, da da. But for anything
you needed there it was a non traditional thing, which yeah, seriously,
I was like, yeah, totally good. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
No.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I mean when I was getting my wife now for
twenty five years, but when we were getting together and
talking about stuff and you know, my issues with my dad,
and she would she said to me something that was like,
she goes, yeah, you recognize them, but you haven't done
anything to help yourself. Oh yeah, I know this happened,
and I get it. I'm good, I get it, I
(21:11):
know it, figured it out like you said, wrap it
up in a little bow. I got it. But she's like,
you haven't done anything to sort of better yourself or
dig through, right.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
And then you become the dad right and then now
oh gosh, right as you was the dad, like I
remember when my son was born, I was like, oh
am I going to mess this kid up? Like I
don't have anything to pull from here, Like I don't
have any So what I did was I whipped out
my psychic toolbox and I energetically parented my son and
(21:41):
knocked it out of the park by giving him things
that I didn't get from my dad exactly. And then
five years later, when my daughter showed up, I had
this quiet confidence like I got it I got this, Yeah,
And then she showed up and my dad was an aquarius.
He's an aquarian, right, he's passed, but he's an aquarian.
And I saw what my daughter's birthday it was going
(22:02):
to be. She was an aquarian, and I went oh.
I was like, this is going to be the universal
seesaw so what I didn't deal with with my dad? Right,
the Aquarian Libra parent child relationship inverted and it became
me and Olivia. And when Olivia came into this world,
(22:22):
she came in with an energy of not liking me.
It was a very weird dynamic. And everybody used to
go like, oh my god, she's your little girl. Does
she have you wrapped around her? Nope? Nope, not even
a little bit. YEA loved her. Mom did not like me,
and it set up a universal dynamic that could have
(22:43):
perpetuated a negative relationship. And that's why I could say
I did the work. I recognized there I need to
do the work. And then chasing evil kind of just
now became the now it's time for you to work
on you.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
And that's did you have to come to Jesus. Moment
went with your dad before he passed, you did, so
you had you.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Got it all out and figured it out multiple times.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
You did multiple times.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Where it wasn't unresolved me. Yeah, my feelings about it. Yeah,
Like I could be logical about it. I could be
logical and say, well, you know, he had issues, he
had some stuff that he had to navigate and didn't
make him a bad person. That made him a bad dad.
And by the way, everybody loved him. So everybody loved
(23:28):
my dad.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Yeah, everybody facing their truths. It's hard and sometimes you
need these catalysts to get there, but you have actually
will help so many people realize you know how to
shake yourself from some of these what we call cyclical
cyclical thinking or un lack thereof of the emotional connections.
(23:52):
Emotions are so important and powerful. So you're because a
way that you're going to unlock a lot of.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
A lot of things.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Hope.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
So, and I want everybody, like Kate, I want everybody
to be a student of the universe because we're all
here to learn.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Right.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
So for anybody that's feeling stuck, you may think, oh
my god, I need to go get a mediumship reading. No,
you don't go have your astrological chart one and go
to the place where you think that the stuck part happened,
or go to the moment where you know that it happened,
which could have been twenty years ago, and have that
astrologer that you feel comfortable with literally talk you through
(24:28):
what was the lesson I was supposed to learn from that,
because I promise you, from that moment on that lesson
has been being taught to you over and over and
over again.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Oh yeah, no, no, no, I just I just found
a journal from twenty five years ago and I started
reading it and it was depressing because it's still the
same shit that I deal with today. I'm like, have
I not learned anything? You know? It's like, you need
to be more confident, you need to fucking am I
What the fuck I'm supposed to have shifted by now?
(25:02):
It's crazy you have those It's they're sticky. Those deeper
issues are sticky.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
Oh absolutely, I mean you know still. I mean I
I people didn't think I was smart when I was little.
I had a learning disability, and you know, I didn't
know it, and you know, we didn't know. You know what,
you couldn't read very well, you know, because you maybe dyslexic.
But those things we didn't know, and I felt stupid.
I signed every all my papers at the end, Love Goldie.
(25:32):
But they weren't finished, right, they were unfinished papers. But
I made sure that there was love in the room.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Well, if you if you finish, you did it finish
because love Goldie means that it's an end. There's an
end to it.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
Yeah, no, no, I ended it, but not at the
right time.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Yeah, it's like how much.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
It's like how mom texts. Yeah, yeah, you don't know
what just happened, but it does level.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Right, Okay, I love me too. Does a book read
like it's not? It's non fiction, but but does it
read It's got that punch to it. It's like there's
(26:16):
some pros and.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
You know, it's a it's a roller coaster. You come
on the journey with us on these cases.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
It's amazing.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
You come on both journeys. You come on the transformational
journey and you come on the criminal journey.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
What a great idea it would also be.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
It's going to be such a great book and also
be such a great podcast.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Yeah, it's funny you should say that because I want
Bob to do a true crime pop. I don't want
him to do it be great crime podcast podcast.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
But with that, like in connection, what an interesting, what
a fun.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
You're being psychic because I literally told him last night.
I was like, you need to be doing a true
crime podcast. I go, I could drop in from time
to time, but you should investigate like all these other
big cases.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
He's a great Yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Tell you a little story. So I had in my house,
my last house, I had a lot of water was
being turned on its own, voices were being heard from
you know, oh yeah, TV's off and on one time
that one TV went on so loud I couldn't believe it.
In the middle of the night. It was like, okay,
this is enough, all right. I did see a lady
in the doorway. I told her if she wants to
(27:21):
stay here, she can, don't worry about it. Just don't
do any truth.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
Welcoming, very welcoming, you.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
Know, along, but whatever. I got a little information in
the meantime. Then I called someone I know that is
a medium, and I said to him, by the way,
I need somebody here to clear the house. Right So anyway,
brought this woman in literally four foot you know seven,
which is tiny, and she was someone that had this
(27:49):
vision where she saw things when she was very little.
So anyway, so he comes and he brings her to
the house and she's sitting on I'm a little bit
late for the meeting. I come in and she says
to me, Okay, it's not I just want to tell you.
I didn't know her from Adam. But she said, what
we're trying to do here, it's not the woman you
saw in the house. This is a young man, okay,
who's been with you for many, many years. He's been
(28:12):
around you and he's which we had to look this up,
but he was killed during a Sharon tate, they said,
and that's where it came up. But he was explaining
that he was delivering a video for and he worked
in a video shop. So that particular night when all
(28:33):
that happened, there was someone that came to the house
delivering videos.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
So it all worked out because.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
Nobody really knew that, and they had researched while I
was gone to Anyway, I couldn't believe it, she said,
But because that was my early days. He was in
early movies, and he was in the movies. He fell
in love with Goldie, right, and you know, at a
crush whatever, and she said, he's never left you and
he has not crossed over. And then he's said a
(29:01):
few things to me, which you know, happened to be
around what a private issue. But it was so true,
and I thought, what are we going to do? And
at which point she said, I will help him move over,
you know. But it was very interesting to hear that
that she knew nothing about that, and that he has
followed me in many places that I've been so.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Like checking in now, like checking in with you.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
He's like checking in and I and I mentioned, you
know something about Wyatt and something about hockey, Like, yeah,
how does he know about that? From the other side,
So the questionnaire is, Okay, she put seeds around the house,
she put seeds up to but she relates the house.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
After that everything happened. Nothing went on. We didn't have
any water coming out of anything, or TV's going on.
It all seemed to stop. I guess my question is
is that true?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I mean, do people connect attach them?
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Is that true? I've not had that experience me personally.
I do a lot of protection work. I do a
lot of energetic protection. I've never had somebody tellment they
were stuck. I've never had somebody tell me that they
didn't crossover. I've dealt with a lot of tragedies, and
you know, I think that there's a process when people
evolve through the physical world to the AfterAll, I can't
(30:23):
really speak to that because I wasn't that wasn't there
to feel that with what that is. It's like almost
like assessing another case that I can't really kind of
speak to you. Sometimes the interpretation that people have, Like
for example, I've was brought into a house that was
allegedly haunted, right, and there was real activity. I believe
the activity was happening. And I said to the home owner,
I said, is there like a young girl going through
(30:45):
puberty in this house? And she said, yeah, you're feeling that.
And I was like, no, that's what's happening in your house,
and she's like, excuse me. I go, It's just it's
a known thing that when a young girl's going through
puberty that the electromagnetic energy and field around them presents
as if like their space is haunted because it affects
like electromagnetic frequencies like flighting and things and all that
(31:07):
kind of stuff happens. So Wow, I don't.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Know your daughter's twelve. So here we go.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Get ready, Kate. Did they just tell you that you
may have to change like the nail polish on your
toes or something, or was there some conversation that you
just had. No, what was the conversation about your feet?
Speaker 3 (31:25):
I haven't had a conversation about my feet.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
He did not today. No, I'm supposed to tell you
talk about the conversation about your either your toes. Now,
this is my interpretation, So I don't want to take
you to Philadelphia. But it seems like I'm supposed to validate,
like what's happening around you. So I don't know if
you guys were talking about like you're going to be
doing something and they're going to show your feet and
you have to make sure your feet are looking a
certain way, or.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
Oh my god, well I can tell you that she
has the feet of my mother.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
You got grandma's feet, Kate, Like it just happens like
this is recent.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
I mean, we weren't talking about my feet. I don't
think we were talking about my feet.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Who were you talking about? Not today? Are your feet
going to be exposed or seen?
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Wait?
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Are we going to find out your own wiki feet
or exactly, I.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Do only fans. I'm going to do fans puppet. Yes,
we have discussed in this makeup trailer that I'm going
to do an only fans with feet puppets, and and
then I was going to create like little characters out
of my feet. This is real, and that I was
(32:38):
going to create like scenarios like oh like like my
feet would have like leader hosen and be in the Alps.
My feet would be like on the like kayaking on
the beach and like a little thing of water, like
we would do these little cheet characters.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
Well that's that's.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
I'm going to say. Yeah, very lucrative.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Well this has been amazing. Man, We've held you pretty
long here. One more question. How excited are you about
Taylor Swift's engagement. I mean, isn't it fantastic.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
I'm so overwhelming. I can't even control my mind. I
know me too, it's just I'm going to contain it.
It's just big time stuff. Well, thank you so much, man,
really really fun. I could talk to you for hours and.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
You for having me. It was really really great.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
I'm reading the book.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
The book is called Chasing Evil, Shocking Crime supernatural forces
and an FBI agent's search for hope and justice. Is
available orherever books are sold, Go get it. It's incredible.
It's a great read, edge of the seat stuff. Thank you, John,
thank you, appreciate you. Thanks Mama, thank you.
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