April 7, 2025 • 55 mins
From co-parenting with Charlie Sheen, to 'Special Forces,' to her new reality show, Denise Richards talks life on the wild side!
From the crazy Christmas with Charlie that was more "jail-y" than "jolly," to why she doesn't blame her ex for his bad behavior.
Plus, what forced her to join 'Special Forces,' and the one demand she made to producers that could have 'flushed' her deal.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi. I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
We wanted to do something that highlighted our.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are
a sibling Railvalry.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
No, no, sibling raval You don't do that with your mouth, revelry.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
That's good. I'm on spring break. I'm taking a break
for the spring right now. Essentially, that's what this is.
It has nothing to do with uh, you know, us
taking school off and time off for spring. Spring is
breaking for us. That's where I look at it. You know,
(00:56):
I like to be the alpha in spring break, so
so the spring's breaking for us. I don't know what
the fuck I'm talking about. I am in Palm Desert
right now. I was just in Big Sky, Montana skiing,
and I am about to go on a health journey.
That's what I tell myself all the time, and then
(01:17):
I get all pumped about it and then I fucking quit.
But I'm calling a nutritionist, I am taking blood. I'm
actually doing a You guys are gonna all get really
horny right now. I am about to do a stool sample. Yeah, yeah,
(01:40):
it's gonna be great. But you know what it's time.
I'm forty eight and a half. By the time i'm fifty,
I want to be an optimal shape. It feels good
to feel good. It's fun to party, it's fun to indulge.
And I'm not going to totally eliminate that from my life,
because let's be honest, I don't know who I am
without it. But I need to move to more of
(02:01):
an eighty twenty life you know what I mean, eighty
twenty life style. Right right now, I'm kind of twenty eighty.
I'm not like ten ninety. I'm like five ninety five.
Really eighty other way, I need to do more of
an eighty twenty, and it's time. I think it's time.
The Hudson Express has been on the tracks for a
long time. The Hudson Express has been going one hundred
(02:23):
and fifty miles an hour, sometimes bullet train speed. It's
time that the Hudson Express maybe pulls it in. You know,
it gets a fucking oil change and then turns into
a chew chew, you know, the Hudson choot chew. That's
that's where we're going. That's what we're going to go for.
You know, where if I wanted to give it like
(02:45):
some fucking you know, I've got a button on the
Jut show where I can go six hundred, so that
still exists. But then for the most part it kind
of just chugs along and enjoys the scenery. That's who
I want to be now. Anyway, we have a really
fun guest on and yeah, I mean it might have
(03:08):
been it might have been attracted to or at some
point I don't know who wasn't, But very cool story
and it's just very interesting life and U very open,
very cool bring around Denise, Denise Richard's everyone. Everyone give
up a clap, one clap Denise.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Hey, thank you so much for pushing it.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Oh babe, don't worry about it. I'm I'm horribly late
all the time. I try to be better at my life,
you know, but it's still bad.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
It's hard.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
It's hard. I don't know. I don't know what it means,
you know, I don't know if if maybe I'm entitled
or I'm like, it'll all fucking work out. I always
have my whole thing. It's going to be on my gravestone.
Is like, we'll figure it out. It'll work out out
one way.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Or everything will work out.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
That's how I operate, and sometimes to the detriment of
other people, it's like, it'll be fine, it'll work out.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Sometimes I find with kids it's hard to always be
super on time and I, oh my.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
God, well my wife is It's something that you just
have to live with and deal with, you know what
I mean. Yeah, it's just late. It's just who she is.
It's part of her DNA, you know what I mean.
Like we've been together for twenty five years, very long time. Wow, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's been crazy twenty four when we met.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Wow, good for you. That's a lifetime in this industry.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
God, I mean, hasn't been without It's complete insanity and
obstacles and figuring shit out. You know, that's just normal.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
That's life, and that's that's life. Brings you back together closer.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Oh for sure, you know. And I think a lot
of times, you know, in relationships, it's easy to just
be like, oh, you know what, I don't like that.
I don't like what you did. You fucked up, and
now it's over, because that's what assumingly we're supposed to do.
Oh you hurt me, fuck you, it's gone. Rather than
(05:20):
looking at the person looking at the you know, the
larger view, the macro. Do I love this person? Is
this person an amazing human being? Are we all? Do
we all have major faults? Yes? Are we all afflicted
one way or another? Fuck? Yes? So let's figure all
that out first before you just say, hey, you know what,
fuck off. And I think that's how we've kind of
(05:42):
made it work.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
But I think it's easier to say fuck off when
you're just dating, but when you make that convent for marriage,
it's you're like, okay, yeah, I'm not for everyone, and
some people can say fuck off married or you know,
the other way. But I think that it's that's part
of marriage too. It's like, also, even in your eyes,
(06:03):
it's marriage, even if it's.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Not on paper.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah. Yeah, in your life and your love life, how
much have you said funk off? And how much have
you said we got to work on this.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
It depends which husband you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Just go through all of them.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I've only had two.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I know.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
The first one was an extreme circumstance situation. Yeah, but
I was now I'm I like to resolve things. And
you know, I think though, as we get older and
you're you have a specific way of what you want
(06:43):
to deal with, but also in a mature way of
looking at things, like, Okay, this is how I see.
You know, shit happens. We can fight and say fuck
off or whatever, but and then I love you and
we're good, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
What I mean.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
It's like my husband and I if we say that
we know, and you know, five minutes later we're good
and we can go have lunch together or do some things.
So it's just there's just circumstances sometimes, I think, and
when you have the stress of kids and family and
whatever else is going on, and sometimes shit happens.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
No, I know, how old are your kids now?
Speaker 4 (07:22):
My oldest is twenty one and the nineteen she'll be twenty.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
They're fifteen months apart.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
So those girls I had with Charlie right then. My
youngest I adopted as a single mom. She's thirteen. She's
special needs. And actually and Aaron, my husbands been he's
been in her life since she was four years old.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
And that's dad.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
And you know, we were in the process of doing
adoption during the pandemic and then you know, share with
fiveways with all that. So but anyway, that's her dad too.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Oh that's great. So your husband's name is Aaron.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Aaron.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, my wife's name is Aaron.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Oh, well that'll be easy, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Well that's so amazing. So you adopted a child with
special needs. Obviously you knew the child had special I didn't.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
I got her at birth and we didn't know she
had special intels. She was you know, she wasn't meeting
the milestones typically infants do, but I didn't, and the doctor,
her pediatrician didn't just attributed it as you know, every
child develops a little slower differently or whatever.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
But then it was.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
As she you know, when it became time to really
start crawling, walking, and she was so delayed. And eventually
we learned her that she was diagnosed with having a
deletion and chromosome eight and which contributed to a lot
of her delays. And she's primarily what people would consider nonverbal.
(08:53):
She says, you know, quite a few words, but not
sentences and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
How was that, though, I mean, that's so interesting, because
what a strange gift in a way, you know what
I mean. It's that silver lining stuff where you think
that something, you know, you've adopted this child, and then bang,
this happens, you know, how did you deal with that initially?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
You know, and I adopted her as a single mom.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
I was it horrid? Yes, and no, I think that
obviously she was such a gift to me. And we
came to, you know, going through the adoption process. It
took a year and a half and there were several situations.
We have closed adoption, and she was number thirteen with situations.
(09:49):
But I always said, I always I feel children choose
their parents, and it feels like in my older girls,
they were seven and eight years old when she was adopted,
her six or seven somewhere around there, and they feel
like I had her. So I feel like Eloise that's
her name, found me a different way. And so but
(10:10):
my mom who my mom. She passed away a few
years before I adopted Eloise. She always told me that,
you know, special needs children are children of angels from God.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
And so that's how I always viewed it.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
And with Eloise, I've grown with her special needs, if
that makes sense, like it wasn't. And by the way,
even if I had known she was I still would
have gone through with the adoption.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
But it has a lot of challenges, especially as she's
getting older, but.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
And I guess younger too. It has challenges, but there's
so many gifts to with it.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
M Yeah, it's amazing. And then Aaron coming into your
life knowing that he is going to sort of take
over or at least add to this union and support
you and support Eloise. You know, probably no brainer for him, right,
just like I don't care.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Yeah, And that's actually when I really knew how much
I loved him. Was to take in two daughters where
my ax was Charlie Sheen.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
That's a lot to have that X with all.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Due respect to Charlie or there's a lot of ups
and downs with that and say that too, but that
also to have a man embrace and be the you know,
wanting to be the father to my daughter. I mean,
the whole union was a no brainer. And my love
(11:51):
for him too.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah. Well, let's go back a little bit. I want
to know about your life growing up. Where did you
grow up? Did you have siblings?
Speaker 4 (11:59):
You know, I grew up in a small town outside
of Chicago, and I have a sister, were a year
and a half apart. My mom was a stay at
home mom. I did not grow up in Hollywood. My
father works for Illinois Bell. Monday through Friday, we went
to church. Every Sunday, we went to CCD. My sister
(12:20):
and I. We were actually a Nielsen.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Family back in Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
We had these boxes on our TV because we were
your typical all American family and they wanted to know
what we were watching and all that.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
So we were part of the Nielsen rating side.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
So funny that I'm a hundred well no, I mean
my producing part. We were just looking up, you know,
the whole Nielsen world and it still fucking exists, I think.
And it's crazy, certainly, yes, differently, but it's arcade. It's
like people are clicking on boxes and shit, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
I mean they monitored what we were watching to so
that they could keep track of ratings for team.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
So that's how I grew up. And then my dad
they my parents were watching. Do you remember or heard
of the show The Battle of the Network Stars?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Of course, you know my dad or my pap, I
call him Dad, Kurt, you know, Russell is my Yeah,
but he was on that, I know, and we send
him clips all that. We send them family affairs called
the Family of fair Thread, you know, for the texting threat,
and I'm always sending clips of him on the network Stars.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Well my thought, well, because of him being on that show,
my dad and mom were watching it, and my father
used to climb telephone poles in the winter and he
was tired of it, and he couldn't believe all of
these stars were wearing shorts in January. So then my
dad got the newspaper because there wasn't an internet back then,
and kept track of the weather and moved us to California,
(13:59):
quit his job, moved us. We went from a home
that he remodeled himself. We couldn't afford, you know, contractors.
I didn't grow up with money, and so then we
moved to an apartment in the San Diego area, ocean
side near bad and I went to sophomore through senior
there in school.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
And wow, yeah, so basically you're an act. You became
an actor because your dad wanted to wear tiny, little
dolphin short shorts. I mean, this is what I'm getting right.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
His names are, doesn't wear shorts, his legs are whiter
than shit, and he always has a farmer tan. But
he loved the weather, and he was still climbing a
telephone pole.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
So you then got into the world of entertainment. How well, truthfully.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
So, when I lived in Illinois, I had always wanted
to be an actress ever since I saw like Greece
and those movies, but I never thought it was possible
because I lived so far from Hollywood. And then when
I was in high school, my mom she entered me
into a model search.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
It was for a clothing store called a Spree.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Oh yeah, I remember that Kate was obsessed. Was obsessed
with a Spree.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Spree was amazing.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
So I made it to like finally I won second place,
but there was an agent. There was agents from Los
Angeles that were there, and one signed me, and so
I started modeling when I was fifteen sixteen years old,
doing like seventeen magazine Team Magazine.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
And then the day after I graduated high.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
School, I flew to Japan and was there for a
couple of months, and then went back and forth between
there and New York, which, by the way, I can't
believe my parents let me fly to Japan by myself.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
But how old were you?
Speaker 4 (15:57):
I I was just eighteen, which I was like, I'm eighteen,
But for me, there's no way in hell.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I would have. I would be with my kids if
they went there right now.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
No, I know, isn't it? Isn't it crazy? Though? How
times have changed where even even though we're more connected
now we can monitor our children literally with fucking GPS,
there is still this fear of kind of letting them go.
You know, when our parents were kind of just go ahead,
(16:29):
just go go. I mean I went. I was seventeen
and I went to Europe with all of my friends
and we didn't have we weren't given money. It was
like we were staying in like hostels and doing all
kinds of crazy shit, but no cell phones, no phones,
No one wrote a postcard. It was kind of like
we'll see in three weeks.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
So your mom and dad were okay with it? Or
were they trying to stop you from no?
Speaker 1 (16:55):
No, no, they let us go. It's like, all right, cool,
go have fun. Ill it very different, crazy, no communication.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
It.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Probably liked it, of.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Course they did, of course they did. And I guess
you have to develop some kind of a trust. You
have to put some faith in your kids. And when
they're young, and when they're eight, nine, ten, eleven, you're like,
oh my god, I would you project, and you're like,
I would never allow them. And now my kid is seventeen,
my oldest, and I'm like, wow, well, you know what
(17:26):
I would. He has a maturity about him. I trust
I trust him, and you kind of have to let
them fly a little bit. And so I think I'm
okay with that shit. They're going to go to Kaismona
College next year.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
And you have two.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I have three. I was seventeen, fifteen and eleven, two
boys and our little girl.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
So for me, it's not necessarily that I don't trust them.
It's I don't trust people around them. You know.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
That's where where I'm always I'm so.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
And my oldest daughters they're like, mom, stop, but I'm like,
do not even drink water anywhere, don't send it down.
If you go to the bathroom, you take that bottle
of water with you.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Whatever.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
So I'm more concerned. This is also because of experience. Yeah,
where I worry about that's it's not necessarily them, it's
the people around Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
No, totally. And by the way, as a woman, you
know you have to be extra vigilant, absolutely, but at
some point you have to. There's no choice. We've got
to let them go.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
I know I'm going to talk to you when your
your little girl is setting.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I don't want to talk about station.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I think I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Talk about it. Well, especially if you personally have had
an experience with something like that.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Oh several. Yeah, that's why I'm like, so and well there,
I mean yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Meaning like meaning like drink.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
I've had shit happen and I just so neurotic with
my girls to the point where they are like mom,
and they're like just because I said, you just have
to be aware.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Very aware. Yeah, you know, even friends, you know.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Do they have boyfriends?
Speaker 4 (19:17):
One doesn't and one I don't know what he is.
I'm not sure, but I find that I actually asked
her and she goes, we're not putting a label on it.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I'm like, that's good. Yeah, great, So I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah, that's great. Yeah, you know, I know it's crazy.
It's just crazy.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
But you grew up with very famous parents, yes, which
is very different from how I grew up, and my
daughters would very much relate to like you and your sister. Yeah,
that whole thing of having to grow up with.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
The son and the.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Daughter of how do they how have they dealt with that.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I think us doing our own reality show actually with
them as adults now has been a good thing for them,
for them to have an opportunity, which is part of
why we made the decision to do it, is for
them to be able to have their own voice and
to have people will get to know them as their
own person. But I didn't realize actually how much it
(20:24):
really affected them until we started promoting our show, until
we started really talking about stuff, because that's all they
knew was Charlie and I doing what we did for
a living. They don't know anything different, and all I
knew of them was being, you know, our kids, Like
(20:45):
I didn't know certain things that affected them until you know,
the last couple of years actually, as they have been
spent becoming adults.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
They've been able to sort of express themselves a little easier.
How they were feeling now, how they felt.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Yeah, And I think in a way they weren't. They
didn't really, I think part of them really never deep
down thought about it until people started asking them what
was like. Then they had to start thinking about, well,
you know what I mean, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
But I think that they obviously they and I.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Reminded them too they got a lot of they got
some nice perks being like you could get right. But
I understand the other side obviously, But I didn't grow
up that way. So that's where I would imagine for
you and your sister, that transition of becoming an adult
and being your own person. I don't know how that
(21:47):
affected you or you're sitting yeah, well, I mean.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
It was a little different, you know, because it was
it was it was. There wasn't the technology that there
is right now. Yes, there were papara, but it was
it was a different kind you know, you walking getting
off a plane and then all of a sudden, like
eight thousand photographers jump out of nowhere, you know, terminal
and start flashing lights.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
And I've said this before, but I didn't. I did
not like it. I did not like the attention. I think,
being you know, having been a product of divorce, even
though Kurt was in my life and he raised me,
you know, entirely. Although my dad and I are my
real dad and I are developing a good relationship now
later in life, but still, my mom was sort of
(22:34):
my blankie, and when people were trying to take her
away from me figuratively, right, you know, I didn't like it,
and it bothered me. And then I would do everything
that I could as I got older to deflect who
I was. I wanted nobody to know who my parents were.
(22:58):
I wanted my own shit, you know. I just I
wanted to be liked for for who I was and
not even question it, you know, even though most of
the time no one's gonna like me for my parents,
there might be some intrigue there, but still it was something.
It was some something deep in me. You know. I
didn't I railed against it, for sure, you know, but
(23:22):
we were very they were very open about it.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
It was like between our in our four walls, it
was normal. It was like, now you work for what
the fuck you get. We're not giving you a ton
of money. Of course, we're going to have nice Christmases
and do nice things. That's the world we live in.
You got you, you little fuckers got lucky, but you
still have to work for your shit, you know. I mean,
it was it was hammered into us.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Well, which is why you guys are such hard workers
and you know, very successful.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Yeah, are your kids actors?
Speaker 4 (23:53):
No, Lola is very she's my nineteen year old She's
very much into her faith and she just started her
own podcast.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
It's faith based. School really is about, you know, wanting
people to help, for her to help people.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
If they want to find you know, Jesus and God
that are especially the younger generation, that it's okay to
say that you want to follow that path. So she's
very faith based into that. And but Sammy is actually
wanting to possibly get into acting.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
And were you guys a religious family or is this
something she discovered on her own?
Speaker 4 (24:39):
I raised I was raised Catholic, and then the girls
did go to Catholic school and day didn't have a choice.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
That's where they went to school.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
I baptized them and so and that's the thing that
I also admire about Lola is that on her own
she decided. She's like yes, because she was like, I'm
getting baptized, and I said you've been baptized.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
She goes, no, Mom, I'm getting baptized. And I'm glad.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
You know, it was good for me to understand that
that was something she made, the choice and her decision.
It wasn't my mom did it when I was a
baby and I didn't even know what was happening, you know, so,
but you know, my girls have been through a lot,
as we all have in life, and you know, for
Lola especially, this has been the path that has been
(25:25):
really great and very healthy for her. And so I'm
happy for her and you know, and to be able
to do her own podcast.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
It's awesome. What's her podcast called.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Wella's podcast is called Heavenly Bonded and my dad actually
wants to be her first guest.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
She hasn't guessed yet, so he asked if he could
be her first guest.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
That's sweet.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, she was excited.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
This is cool. I love it. It'll be fun for
her to bring on people too, who are yeah, you know,
I mean the non believers or.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Or people on the fence or there.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Right, are different points of view exactly. That's fun.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Good for her, Oliver, before I forget, yeah, you were
going to do special Forces the season.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
How did you know I was going to do that?
You know why?
Speaker 2 (26:19):
You hear a little?
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Yeah, you and you were. I was so excited that
you were going to do it, so I know.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
I it's how I watched. I watched some of it
and fuck, all.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Right, are you?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
I mean part of me is happy I didn't And
then of course, part of me wants to challenge myself.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
You would have had fun with the guys, like with
Carrie and Yadi and Cam and I mean we had
a great group.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yeah was it it was? Was it fun? Or was
it was it?
Speaker 2 (26:55):
I wouldn't say it fun.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
It wasn't fun.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
It was the hardest thing is I've ever done in
my life. It's dangerous. I felt it. I mean, how
can I not be? But it was really hard. I
don't regret doing it. I really don't, because only because
of the people I became friends. Yeah yeah, if they
weren't there, i'd be like, well, but it's it's very challenging,
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which I knew, but it was.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
It's a lot harder than I thought.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh no, I know. I mean the
cold water alone.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
I didn't know we were going to do all that
water ship.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
It's so much water stuff because I watched I watched
a few episodes like, fuck, it's all water freezing.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
I did not know it was all water and it
was fucking cold as hell. And we really do like
I'm sure you had all the conversations and all that. Yeah,
and when they tell you like you do have to
turn your phone in and all that. I just thought
they just tell people you do there is no food,
like there is no pref service. I thought they would
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shut things down and say, Okay, you guys can have
a break. The guys are going to go have a break,
and production would come in and kind of say, you
guys can go have snacks or do this.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
You know it's not it is not that.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
You're in it the whole time.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
Yes, And but you know what's so funny is the
producers they asked me to do season two and sent
me season one, and I was like, heyll no, I'm
not doing this. There's no way I could do this.
Then season three came around and I finally said yes.
But they kept comparing me to your mom.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
She goes Beck.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
You would be like, please, please please, you are my
private benchmin, It's.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
My getting my private which is such a huge compliment.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
So it was very funny.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Did you push yourself beyond what you thought you could do?
Speaker 2 (29:13):
I am terrified of heights.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
I was able to stupidly on speedboat where they're like
just jump and grab onto a helicopter.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I saw that like if you're preparing for a movie, yeah, yeah.
If they would show you okay.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Yeah, right, here's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
An entire team of stunt coordinators saying, you know, blah
blah blah.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Blah, you're in that water and that I don't even
know where the hell we were. We were in the
Irish Sea and we didn't have our phone, so I
couldn't google, like what animals are.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
I was so nervous what the fuck was in the water.
And I was like, fuck, we don't have our phone.
I don't know what's down there.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
It's dark, it was raining, and you can't see ship,
and there's lots of current and everything, and.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
You're on the boat. You just go on the boat.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
And Foxy was like, okay, when the helicopter comes down,
I'm gonna say go and you have a small window
and you just have.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
To go and leap and grab on.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
And I'm like, okay, I can't fucking believe I did it?
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Did you make this?
Speaker 4 (30:20):
You?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Did you get the skin?
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Hang on?
Speaker 4 (30:23):
As the helicopter was pulling away, I was struggling and
I'm a left deep, so I was trying to go
up the other way when you have to go that
way to get in. I started to get a little
nervous because the helicopter was going up and I knew
the higher we go up, the deeper fall into that
weird ass water.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
So I finally just let go. No, it'scy but I was.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Like, I can't believe, like I'm you know, I would
just do that. Lily like, oh shut I'll jump on
to that.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Yeah, it's dangerous.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
What finally made you break?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Okay? So what made so?
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Then?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I lasted two days.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
The second day I jumped off the bridge and the harness, which,
by the way, again I'm afraid of heights.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
The hardness.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
I almost asked, do you know cut the gentleman on
the das on there? And I almost said to him,
and I'm like, I do not say anything. I'm like,
is this gonna? I?
Speaker 5 (31:24):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Caught my implants, I almost.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Asked them, and I'm like, I better not fuck around
with them.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Well it did.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
I jumped off the bridge and my implants ruptured and
I felt something, uh, and.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Then the heart the way the harness was too. I
knew I hurt myself. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
So then we went to this water thing and then
I had to carry a log, and so I said,
you see a doctor.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I just wanted to make sure I wasn't and I didn't.
He's like playing, I don't want to tell him. I
think my.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Boobs hurt, right, like my tit exploded, and I please
see a doctor.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I think you if I like carry on and get
on with it. I said they wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
He wouldn't let me see a doctor, and so I said, well,
I feel like I have no choice but to go
because I want to make sure I was.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
It wasn't just that.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I was like, yeah, a.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Lot grain area, but anyway, basically, you just destroyed every
part of you.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
That's I wanted to make sure to go home completely broken.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
But other than that, I think you would have a
great time.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Oh no, I would. The problem is I felt when
I watched it, I felt like I had to train
for it because I have to be in some kind
of shape, you know what I mean, Like I love
my booze, and you know, I smoked some cigarettes and
then I was like, I need to be in some
kind of shape here otherwise I'm going to be dead.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
I trained for when when I sucked because I had
a toilet issue with the show, so I wasn't sure.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I didn't know for a month.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
If I because I gave them one, I go, this
is my only deal breaker for me to do it.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
And I thought, there's no way they're going to do it.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
I was actually told by previous cast members They're like,
they're not going to let you have a toilet.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
So they did, but everyone else could use it too.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Okay, So I had three weeks to so I started
training six days a week, like four hours. Obviously that
didn't cut it. It's not so much that it's I'm
not an athlete. Even if I trained my ass off,
I am not an athlete, and even if I was twenty,
I still think like there's just certain things like I'm
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not athletic.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah, I'm a pilates girl, and there's no challenges where
there's pilates.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Ind No, they did not have a pilates challenge at all.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
You know, I really love the show and it's really
fun to watch and you can tell that it's real.
It's very real, right, the only thing, and you know
I have I have a production deal at Fox actually
right now, like it's producing stuff, So I'm not I
don't want to diss them in any way. They're my homies,
but the only thing that seemed a little funky to
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me is when they put the thing over your head
and then they're going, You're going into the room, and
you know, I don't want to act. You know what
if I and my whole thing was I'm gonna go
sit down and am I taking this seriously? Where they're like,
you know, fucking in that interrogation setting with the thing
on your head, I'm like I would normally be like,
all right, you know, I know, I know this is performative.
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I guess I have to play along.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Yes, And it's funny you said that, because that was
my thing too. I made the decision to disclose things
that I've never talked about, and it's because I wanted
to keep it like these guys, this is what they do.
And and at the end of the day, when I
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did decide to do the show, I wanted to get
out of it as much as I could.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
And I have been.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Through a lot of stuff and like all of us,
and so I said some stuff that I was like,
oh fuck. When I finished the show, I was like, gosh,
why the hell did I do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Did they air it? They?
Speaker 2 (35:23):
I never watched it. By the way the show. But
I know they aired a version of it.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Because people brought it up to me and interviews, but
I couldn't watch it after, you know. But yeah, so
I but I agree with you. Like on one hand,
you're like, okay, we are still doing a TV show, sure,
but how do you far do.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
You take it? But I decided, you know what, fuck it.
I did this for a reason.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I think that's the best way to go. I mean,
even talking to you now, you seem like a very
open person, and I guess have you made the decision
just based on your life and how sort of public
it's been to just talk about it, And is that
part of why you're doing this reality show as well?
And I think Charlie's even on the show a little isn't.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Going to be an episode you mean to talk about
my life?
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Just your life, you know. I mean there's a lot there.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
I used to be very private until my divorce when
it was so public.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
There's so much shit.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
It was really hard because I went through a period
where people wouldn't hire me because they thought I was
trying to take down on Charlie and do all this stuff.
And it was so hard for me to accept that
people were judging me based on my personal life and
I really went through I could have gone in a
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very dark place, and I.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Yeah, because it was so awful to feel like out of.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
The I never had bad press, I never had people
say shit about me, and then over night to have
it be that and where I lost jobs and people
wouldn't even and people were talking about me on you know,
the Today's Show and all these talk shows and they
didn't know me. It was based off of their judgment
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of me going through a divorce and protecting my kids.
And you know, I didn't want to do mud slinging
with Charlie. I didn't want to do that shit. And
I just had to keep trying.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
To be quiet.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
And I got to a point where I just had
to kind of be in a bubble and tell everyone,
like I don't want to hear anything.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
I don't want to.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
Read anything if I need to say something, you know.
But and it was actually, to be honest, a blessing
for me because I was always such a people pleaser
and careful what I said in interviews and like wanted
to be the good girl and this and that, and
it was such a blessing for me.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
To be a be my.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
True authentic self and people will like me or hate
me or whatever.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I don't get shit.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
I'm just me, So I think that's what's how I
now am so open.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Do you remember that moment where you're like, you know what,
fuck this, I'm living in this bubble?
Speaker 4 (38:13):
Yeah, it was that time where it was just so awful.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
And then do you.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Have a moment though, where you're like, this is everyone
come to my house, I'm gonna fucking talk.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
No, it wasn't about talking. It was about being quiet
and me not me really thinking like I have to.
I cannot live with the toxic noise. I have to
because if I do, this could go a different path.
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I had two little girls that I had to and
my mom was sick at the time, ended up passing away,
and I was just like, I need to focus on
what's really important. And at the end of the day,
who's there for you are the people that are really important,
and that's what I needed to focus on and I
can't worry about you know. My publicist, she's so incredible.
(39:06):
She would have to talk me off the ledge because
so many times I wanted to say stuff and she's like,
be quiet, and she's so right about it, because if
you comment, then it's another story, another story. And then
a few years later, you know, eventually things come out
and then you know, unfortunately Charlie, but Charlie I divorced
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was what people started to see, and you know, the
spiral of that whole situation and everything, and.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Then you know, people started to think, oh, she's not
the crazy.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
She's not not she wasn't trying to destroy That might
be crazy in other ways, but I was, do.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, so I just
started to change.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
But it was the silver lining of all that was
just me being just myself and fuck it.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
But not to say that I.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
You know, I don't air dirty long, you know, like
I'm protective still, but it's like at least an open book,
like if you ask me question, I'll answer it truthful,
and I'm not like, yeah, you know, trying to like
be a people pleaser supposed to hear.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yeah, yeah, it does. It's limits, it's liberating. It was
actually sure, of course, and you know, with something that
at least from the outside and when I say the outside,
meaning half of it is probably bullshit. But just because
of how things get so turned around, but it's it
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was an extremely insanely I don't think toxic is even
the right word for that kind of a situation. But
you both have seemed to come out on top, meaning
he's going to be on your show, you're still parenting.
I guess, I don't know, but together, I mean, you know,
it's not like it's just been split and gone and
you seem to there's there's some cohesion. I guess through
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all of the insanity.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
Always wanted us to be positive in front.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Of the girls. I never talked bad about their dad
in front of them.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
And when times when Charlie was in a good place
and all of that, he was always invited to you know,
family shit, birthdays, holidays, whatever, and times when we would
get together together and times where.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
It wasn't wouldn't happen.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
And that's okay, but I always I actually sheltered the
kids almost to a point of where now as they're
getting older, they're discovering things, and they were at first
getting upset with me, like why.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Didn't you tell me that?
Speaker 4 (41:42):
How am I going to tell you that? That's like
not a there's no handbook for this.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Would you have done it? Differently now that you know.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
You know, it's funny you said that because I've gone
back and forth with that, like maybe I sheltered them
too much.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
But this is a very relatable start interrupt, and it's
a very relatable topic. And I think you can probably
educate people while when people got for real, because you know,
you are not an anomaly. This shit happens in the
real world all the time. And a parent, someone who
is the parent who is dealing with their children, and
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someone who is an addict, someone who is going through
some serious, serious shit, and you know, how do you
navigate that? You know, do you tell them? Are you like, hey,
this is who it is, this is who your father is.
I loved him, He's still your dad. You need to
know the truth, or everything's fine.
Speaker 4 (42:35):
You know what I didn't do. There were times I
did Everything's fine. Like, but if I was at a
school performance and he was supposed to show up and
I get a call something happened sideways, hospital whatever, I'm
(42:56):
not going to tell the kids the truth. I told
them I lied and I said Dad had to work.
You know, he was arrested on Christmas and he called
me from jail to say Mary Christmas to the girls,
and they were busy playing with their toys.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
They're like, we'll talk to the dad later.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
I go, I think dad's can be a little busy later,
so let's say so. So I didn't say, uh, your
dad just got fucking arrested, and he said, also, come
say Merry Christmas right now.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
That's smart shit, of course, thank you. Yes, I mean
come on, I know. Yeah, it's like but Santa came,
you know, I mean, like, yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
Some of the things were so outrageously bad where I'm like,
I can't say that. So I did lie, and I
sugarcoated and I protected him. And also, like I said,
with some of the ship he would say in the
press and crept like that.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
I didn't tell the kids.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
I would about you know, I would just say I
wanted to protect their relationship. And I wanted my girls
to always get to know their dad for Charlie, not
for their dad meaning not meaning you know, I didn't
want them to put honestly and Charlie, he and I
have had these conversations. You know, there was a time
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he was so I didn't know if he was going
to live, and I didn't want the girls to ever
get to know their dad, what they would read. I
wanted to see their experience in their relationship. And I
also didn't want to put on them my feelings because
that's not fair to them.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
And their relationship with him.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
I always wanted things and I even told Charlie, I
don't care if you're pissed at me, Let's have dinner
with the girls. Just fucking suck it up, because there
are daughters. They don't deserve to have their family split.
And you know, and now your other ex wife and
your kid, you know what I mean, Like, let's all
keep it harmonious as much as possible. So that's still
(44:57):
to this day, I still try to do it.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
I'm not in a similar situation. You know. Again, I
told you my dad and I have reconnected and things
are good. But you know, it was not a great divorce.
And you know, he did a lot of press back
in the day, really like hitting mom hard, and you know,
it was very public, and it wasn't like it is now, obviously,
you know, because it was back then. But Mom made
(45:30):
a point of never bad mouthing my dad and then
even wrote me a letter that I still have. It
was a whole letter that She wrote about why she
married him and what an amazing man he was and is,
and how funny he is and how much like all
the good things about me, you know, that are from him,
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and it was just incredible to read. And it was
not it was not something just to do because she
felt like she had to think. She felt that and
that I needed to know that, right, you know, because
there's been still so much negativity that she's like, well,
you know, understanding that I am half his blood is
running through me, right, and there could be a time
(46:15):
where I wonder, oh my god, am I if half
of me tainted? But that's not how it works. She
wanted me to understand that your father is an amazing
person and I never would have married him if you right,
exactly so. And I think that's important, you know, because
when you married Charlie, and I mean you did it
(46:37):
for real, he was fucking awesome and talented, funny and
all of the great things. And your daughters have that absolutely.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
And I am so grateful to him. Without him, I
wouldn't have.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
My daughter, and we have.
Speaker 4 (46:53):
Our journey has been very unique, but it was meant
to be, and you know, and it is up and
down and it's okay.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
But you know, at the end of the day.
Speaker 4 (47:04):
I know if I needed some I could call him
and he knows I will always be.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
There for him.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
And you know, and it is important, I think for
coming from my parents stayed married and to my mom
till death, do us Park, you know, so I don't
know what it's like to grow up with a split family,
And so it's interesting also to hear from you, like
what you know, the letter your mom wrote, because I
do think it's important for kids to cure the good. Yeah,
(47:36):
And you're in a unique situation, just like Mike. Not
everyone's children are exposed to it publicly, but it could
be their public, whether it's at school, whether it's the
small town knows everything that's going on with the family.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
That's their public, you know what I mean. So where
all the neighbors know that going on.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
And that's so hard for your yeahs navigating that ship.
Oh my god, especially as they get older now and
they're able to sort of think for themselves and read
for themselves, and everything's right there and you know, this
is what happened, and dad has this and he had
HIV or whatever. It's like, what the fuck I mean, yeah,
(48:18):
that must be so well. I'm just saying even for them, yes,
but even for you, just like, oh fuck, okay, here
we go. They're older ladies. Now how do we How
do I deal with this ship? And then it's up
to Charlie too, I think, you know, I don't know
him at all, but just to say, hey, let me
sit down with you for a second and explain my life. Yeah,
(48:39):
we all, we all. It all comes from something, you know.
I I've done want to work on myself and dealing
with my parents and my dad and my own afflictions.
You know. I went to the Hoffmann Institute and I
fucking dug deep. And when you can find compassion and
resolve for the people who may have, you know, hurt
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you and not meant to hurt you, but just have
with their actions, you understand that there's a reason for that.
And if you dig back into their lives, if you
dig back into Charlie's life as a child, in his childhood,
we can find the patterns that are existing. So while
of course it is his fault, at the same time,
there are reasons and it's not all your fault, you know,
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And and you know that helped me a lot with forgiveness,
finding the compassion as an older person, really feeling that compassion,
which then allowed me to truly forgive, you know, and
it's been healing.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Did this happen after you had your kids?
Speaker 1 (49:48):
Yes, okay, yes exactly.
Speaker 4 (49:51):
I think with girls, I think the real forgiveness will
be one after they have children, and they'll be.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
Up to you know, maybe totally you know, yeah, I
mean I think they have to want it, number one,
be forced upon them, Like you need to work on
yourself so you can forgive your dad so that you
can be a better person and not repeat these patterns,
you know what I mean. When I was a kid,
I remember I was, you know, sixteen years old or
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fourteen years old, and Mom was just ripping on me,
like what is wrong? What is wrong? You know, because
I was going through those tough times at school and
you know whatever, and I just fell to the ground
sort of sobbing, saying I don't want to be like
my dad, you know, and I missed him. I needed him,
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I wanted him, even though Kurt was my father and
in my life, and I just didn't like the way
that it felt not to have him in my life
and I made a decision in that moment that I
would never do that to my children, you know. So
I sort of broke the pattern in that moment to
the point where I might be hyper parent. You know,
if I miss one little thing, I'm like, oh my god,
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they're all fucked up. They're going to know. It's like
I've abandoned them and I missed, like I'm working in
Toronto and I missed like a you know, a morning
meeting at their school. And now I think that they're
going to be But I made that choice. I made
that choice, and that was earlier on, that was before
I had So I think sometimes our trauma, you know,
we can either swim in it and repeat it, or
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we can look at it from you know, a different
perspective and step away from it and say, Okay, I
don't want to be that, and I'm going to make
sure that I am not that.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
You know, You're still like, you're such an amazing dad.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
I love being a dad. It's hard, I know, but
I do. I dig it. I mean, it's a number.
It's a definite priority for me. I mean, I won't
work in New York on TV shows for six, you know,
for six years I have to be around to the
detriment of my career, honestly.
Speaker 2 (52:05):
Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
I've made this my priority, you know. Sure, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
Yeah, there's nothing like that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
No, it's great. I mean it's great. It's amazing. And
we don't know. I like, you know, we don't know.
We don't know. We think we're doing it right. I
think I don't fucking know. We all do it differently,
you know. And I've said this a thousand times. It's
not it's not if we fuck up ours. It's just
to what degree that's true, you know, I know, it's
(52:35):
to what degree we're doing our best under these circumstances.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
It's true.
Speaker 4 (52:40):
You know, we're trying hard, We're trying as best as
we can.
Speaker 1 (52:45):
Yeah. Yeah, So talk about your show a little bit.
I want to hear what is it on?
Speaker 2 (52:50):
What? Oh?
Speaker 4 (52:51):
So it's on It's on Bravo andesday nights at nine
o'clock and then the next night on Peacock. And I
believe our season finale is Tuesday, and uh, you know
it was I did Housewives at Beverly Hills and Ali
(53:12):
does that He approached me about doing a family reality show,
and so we decided let's do it, and.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
It's been good.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Is this the first season?
Speaker 2 (53:21):
It's our first season.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
Was it hard when you approach the girls? Was it
like okay, you know that? Were they down? Was it like, mom,
I don't want to do this?
Speaker 4 (53:31):
Well, so Sammy the oldest, she was, I definitely want
to do it.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Mom, like we need cameras because our life.
Speaker 4 (53:40):
Is so great. Lola was at first, she was like,
I'm not sure, and she was concerned with because of
her faith, and I told her it's also an opportunity
for her to inspire people who are wanting to explore
that or want to share their faith too. But anyway,
(54:02):
I did. She I didn't want to If no one
wanted to do it, obviously we wouldn't be doing a
family show.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
And what about Aaron?
Speaker 2 (54:10):
Aaron was he'll support what.
Speaker 4 (54:12):
He's like, sure after the Housewives, He's like, sure, whatever
you want want to.
Speaker 1 (54:15):
Do, this will be compared.
Speaker 4 (54:19):
Yeah, although there were times I was like I wish
I was fighting with those bitches.
Speaker 1 (54:24):
Yeah. Yeah, and then Charlie. Did you have to say
to Charlie, hey.
Speaker 4 (54:31):
We're doing the show. You need to support your daughters. Yeah,
film with us.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
Yeah, that's great. Yeah, well Denise, thanks for hanging out
for a little bit.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
It's so good to talk to you know.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
It was fun. And yeah, I'll see you around.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
I'll see you around. And if you do Special Forces
then call me.
Speaker 1 (54:56):
I know, I will, I will.
Speaker 2 (55:00):
All right, cool, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
All right, see you later. Been through a lot and
it's crazy ship, crazy ship, but she's navigating it now.
Speaker 4 (55:12):
It's just.
Speaker 1 (55:14):
What am I gonna do right now? I Am going
to do a cold plunge. Yeah, the Special Forces thing.
You know. I was just scared. Hey, guys, don't tell anyone,
but I was like scared, and I didn't really want
to work out and get ready for it, and I
(55:37):
didn't want to go to like whales. But I don't know,
maybe I'll do it next time. I'm gonna leave. I'm
gonna leave, goodbye.
Hi. I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
We wanted to do something that highlighted our.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are
a sibling Railvalry.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
No, no, sibling raval You don't do that with your mouth, revelry.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
That's good. I'm on spring break. I'm taking a break
for the spring right now. Essentially, that's what this is.
It has nothing to do with uh, you know, us
taking school off and time off for spring. Spring is
breaking for us. That's where I look at it. You know,
(00:56):
I like to be the alpha in spring break, so
so the spring's breaking for us. I don't know what
the fuck I'm talking about. I am in Palm Desert
right now. I was just in Big Sky, Montana skiing,
and I am about to go on a health journey.
That's what I tell myself all the time, and then
(01:17):
I get all pumped about it and then I fucking quit.
But I'm calling a nutritionist, I am taking blood. I'm
actually doing a You guys are gonna all get really
horny right now. I am about to do a stool sample. Yeah, yeah,
(01:40):
it's gonna be great. But you know what it's time.
I'm forty eight and a half. By the time i'm fifty,
I want to be an optimal shape. It feels good
to feel good. It's fun to party, it's fun to indulge.
And I'm not going to totally eliminate that from my life,
because let's be honest, I don't know who I am
without it. But I need to move to more of
(02:01):
an eighty twenty life you know what I mean, eighty
twenty life style. Right right now, I'm kind of twenty eighty.
I'm not like ten ninety. I'm like five ninety five.
Really eighty other way, I need to do more of
an eighty twenty, and it's time. I think it's time.
The Hudson Express has been on the tracks for a
long time. The Hudson Express has been going one hundred
(02:23):
and fifty miles an hour, sometimes bullet train speed. It's
time that the Hudson Express maybe pulls it in. You know,
it gets a fucking oil change and then turns into
a chew chew, you know, the Hudson choot chew. That's
that's where we're going. That's what we're going to go for.
You know, where if I wanted to give it like
(02:45):
some fucking you know, I've got a button on the
Jut show where I can go six hundred, so that
still exists. But then for the most part it kind
of just chugs along and enjoys the scenery. That's who
I want to be now. Anyway, we have a really
fun guest on and yeah, I mean it might have
(03:08):
been it might have been attracted to or at some
point I don't know who wasn't, But very cool story
and it's just very interesting life and U very open,
very cool bring around Denise, Denise Richard's everyone. Everyone give
up a clap, one clap Denise.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Hey, thank you so much for pushing it.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Oh babe, don't worry about it. I'm I'm horribly late
all the time. I try to be better at my life,
you know, but it's still bad.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
It's hard.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
It's hard. I don't know. I don't know what it means,
you know, I don't know if if maybe I'm entitled
or I'm like, it'll all fucking work out. I always
have my whole thing. It's going to be on my gravestone.
Is like, we'll figure it out. It'll work out out
one way.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Or everything will work out.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
That's how I operate, and sometimes to the detriment of
other people, it's like, it'll be fine, it'll work out.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Sometimes I find with kids it's hard to always be
super on time and I, oh my.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
God, well my wife is It's something that you just
have to live with and deal with, you know what
I mean. Yeah, it's just late. It's just who she is.
It's part of her DNA, you know what I mean.
Like we've been together for twenty five years, very long time. Wow, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's been crazy twenty four when we met.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Wow, good for you. That's a lifetime in this industry.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
God, I mean, hasn't been without It's complete insanity and
obstacles and figuring shit out. You know, that's just normal.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
That's life, and that's that's life. Brings you back together closer.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Oh for sure, you know. And I think a lot
of times, you know, in relationships, it's easy to just
be like, oh, you know what, I don't like that.
I don't like what you did. You fucked up, and
now it's over, because that's what assumingly we're supposed to do.
Oh you hurt me, fuck you, it's gone. Rather than
(05:20):
looking at the person looking at the you know, the
larger view, the macro. Do I love this person? Is
this person an amazing human being? Are we all? Do
we all have major faults? Yes? Are we all afflicted
one way or another? Fuck? Yes? So let's figure all
that out first before you just say, hey, you know what,
fuck off. And I think that's how we've kind of
(05:42):
made it work.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
But I think it's easier to say fuck off when
you're just dating, but when you make that convent for marriage,
it's you're like, okay, yeah, I'm not for everyone, and
some people can say fuck off married or you know,
the other way. But I think that it's that's part
of marriage too. It's like, also, even in your eyes,
(06:03):
it's marriage, even if it's.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Not on paper.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah. Yeah, in your life and your love life, how
much have you said funk off? And how much have
you said we got to work on this.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
It depends which husband you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Just go through all of them.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I've only had two.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I know.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
The first one was an extreme circumstance situation. Yeah, but
I was now I'm I like to resolve things. And
you know, I think though, as we get older and
you're you have a specific way of what you want
(06:43):
to deal with, but also in a mature way of
looking at things, like, Okay, this is how I see.
You know, shit happens. We can fight and say fuck
off or whatever, but and then I love you and
we're good, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
What I mean.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
It's like my husband and I if we say that
we know, and you know, five minutes later we're good
and we can go have lunch together or do some things.
So it's just there's just circumstances sometimes, I think, and
when you have the stress of kids and family and
whatever else is going on, and sometimes shit happens.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
No, I know, how old are your kids now?
Speaker 4 (07:22):
My oldest is twenty one and the nineteen she'll be twenty.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
They're fifteen months apart.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
So those girls I had with Charlie right then. My
youngest I adopted as a single mom. She's thirteen. She's
special needs. And actually and Aaron, my husbands been he's
been in her life since she was four years old.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
And that's dad.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
And you know, we were in the process of doing
adoption during the pandemic and then you know, share with
fiveways with all that. So but anyway, that's her dad too.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Oh that's great. So your husband's name is Aaron.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Aaron.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, my wife's name is Aaron.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Oh, well that'll be easy, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Well that's so amazing. So you adopted a child with
special needs. Obviously you knew the child had special I didn't.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
I got her at birth and we didn't know she
had special intels. She was you know, she wasn't meeting
the milestones typically infants do, but I didn't, and the doctor,
her pediatrician didn't just attributed it as you know, every
child develops a little slower differently or whatever.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
But then it was.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
As she you know, when it became time to really
start crawling, walking, and she was so delayed. And eventually
we learned her that she was diagnosed with having a
deletion and chromosome eight and which contributed to a lot
of her delays. And she's primarily what people would consider nonverbal.
(08:53):
She says, you know, quite a few words, but not
sentences and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
How was that, though, I mean, that's so interesting, because
what a strange gift in a way, you know what
I mean. It's that silver lining stuff where you think
that something, you know, you've adopted this child, and then bang,
this happens, you know, how did you deal with that initially?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
You know, and I adopted her as a single mom.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
I was it horrid? Yes, and no, I think that
obviously she was such a gift to me. And we
came to, you know, going through the adoption process. It
took a year and a half and there were several situations.
We have closed adoption, and she was number thirteen with situations.
(09:49):
But I always said, I always I feel children choose
their parents, and it feels like in my older girls,
they were seven and eight years old when she was adopted,
her six or seven somewhere around there, and they feel
like I had her. So I feel like Eloise that's
her name, found me a different way. And so but
(10:10):
my mom who my mom. She passed away a few
years before I adopted Eloise. She always told me that,
you know, special needs children are children of angels from God.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
And so that's how I always viewed it.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
And with Eloise, I've grown with her special needs, if
that makes sense, like it wasn't. And by the way,
even if I had known she was I still would
have gone through with the adoption.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
But it has a lot of challenges, especially as she's
getting older, but.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
And I guess younger too. It has challenges, but there's
so many gifts to with it.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
M Yeah, it's amazing. And then Aaron coming into your
life knowing that he is going to sort of take
over or at least add to this union and support
you and support Eloise. You know, probably no brainer for him, right,
just like I don't care.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Yeah, And that's actually when I really knew how much
I loved him. Was to take in two daughters where
my ax was Charlie Sheen.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
That's a lot to have that X with all.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Due respect to Charlie or there's a lot of ups
and downs with that and say that too, but that
also to have a man embrace and be the you know,
wanting to be the father to my daughter. I mean,
the whole union was a no brainer. And my love
(11:51):
for him too.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah. Well, let's go back a little bit. I want
to know about your life growing up. Where did you
grow up? Did you have siblings?
Speaker 4 (11:59):
You know, I grew up in a small town outside
of Chicago, and I have a sister, were a year
and a half apart. My mom was a stay at
home mom. I did not grow up in Hollywood. My
father works for Illinois Bell. Monday through Friday, we went
to church. Every Sunday, we went to CCD. My sister
(12:20):
and I. We were actually a Nielsen.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Family back in Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
We had these boxes on our TV because we were
your typical all American family and they wanted to know
what we were watching and all that.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
So we were part of the Nielsen rating side.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
So funny that I'm a hundred well no, I mean
my producing part. We were just looking up, you know,
the whole Nielsen world and it still fucking exists, I think.
And it's crazy, certainly, yes, differently, but it's arcade. It's
like people are clicking on boxes and shit, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
I mean they monitored what we were watching to so
that they could keep track of ratings for team.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
So that's how I grew up. And then my dad
they my parents were watching. Do you remember or heard
of the show The Battle of the Network Stars?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Of course, you know my dad or my pap, I
call him Dad, Kurt, you know, Russell is my Yeah,
but he was on that, I know, and we send
him clips all that. We send them family affairs called
the Family of fair Thread, you know, for the texting threat,
and I'm always sending clips of him on the network Stars.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Well my thought, well, because of him being on that show,
my dad and mom were watching it, and my father
used to climb telephone poles in the winter and he
was tired of it, and he couldn't believe all of
these stars were wearing shorts in January. So then my
dad got the newspaper because there wasn't an internet back then,
and kept track of the weather and moved us to California,
(13:59):
quit his job, moved us. We went from a home
that he remodeled himself. We couldn't afford, you know, contractors.
I didn't grow up with money, and so then we
moved to an apartment in the San Diego area, ocean
side near bad and I went to sophomore through senior
there in school.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
And wow, yeah, so basically you're an act. You became
an actor because your dad wanted to wear tiny, little
dolphin short shorts. I mean, this is what I'm getting right.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
His names are, doesn't wear shorts, his legs are whiter
than shit, and he always has a farmer tan. But
he loved the weather, and he was still climbing a
telephone pole.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
So you then got into the world of entertainment. How well, truthfully.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
So, when I lived in Illinois, I had always wanted
to be an actress ever since I saw like Greece
and those movies, but I never thought it was possible
because I lived so far from Hollywood. And then when
I was in high school, my mom she entered me
into a model search.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
It was for a clothing store called a Spree.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Oh yeah, I remember that Kate was obsessed. Was obsessed
with a Spree.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Spree was amazing.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
So I made it to like finally I won second place,
but there was an agent. There was agents from Los
Angeles that were there, and one signed me, and so
I started modeling when I was fifteen sixteen years old,
doing like seventeen magazine Team Magazine.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
And then the day after I graduated high.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
School, I flew to Japan and was there for a
couple of months, and then went back and forth between
there and New York, which, by the way, I can't
believe my parents let me fly to Japan by myself.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
But how old were you?
Speaker 4 (15:57):
I I was just eighteen, which I was like, I'm eighteen,
But for me, there's no way in hell.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I would have. I would be with my kids if
they went there right now.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
No, I know, isn't it? Isn't it crazy? Though? How
times have changed where even even though we're more connected
now we can monitor our children literally with fucking GPS,
there is still this fear of kind of letting them go.
You know, when our parents were kind of just go ahead,
(16:29):
just go go. I mean I went. I was seventeen
and I went to Europe with all of my friends
and we didn't have we weren't given money. It was
like we were staying in like hostels and doing all
kinds of crazy shit, but no cell phones, no phones,
No one wrote a postcard. It was kind of like
we'll see in three weeks.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
So your mom and dad were okay with it? Or
were they trying to stop you from no?
Speaker 1 (16:55):
No, no, they let us go. It's like, all right, cool,
go have fun. Ill it very different, crazy, no communication.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
It.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Probably liked it, of.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Course they did, of course they did. And I guess
you have to develop some kind of a trust. You
have to put some faith in your kids. And when
they're young, and when they're eight, nine, ten, eleven, you're like,
oh my god, I would you project, and you're like,
I would never allow them. And now my kid is seventeen,
my oldest, and I'm like, wow, well, you know what
(17:26):
I would. He has a maturity about him. I trust
I trust him, and you kind of have to let
them fly a little bit. And so I think I'm
okay with that shit. They're going to go to Kaismona
College next year.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
And you have two.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I have three. I was seventeen, fifteen and eleven, two
boys and our little girl.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
So for me, it's not necessarily that I don't trust them.
It's I don't trust people around them. You know.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
That's where where I'm always I'm so.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
And my oldest daughters they're like, mom, stop, but I'm like,
do not even drink water anywhere, don't send it down.
If you go to the bathroom, you take that bottle
of water with you.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Whatever.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
So I'm more concerned. This is also because of experience. Yeah,
where I worry about that's it's not necessarily them, it's
the people around Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
No, totally. And by the way, as a woman, you
know you have to be extra vigilant, absolutely, but at
some point you have to. There's no choice. We've got
to let them go.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
I know I'm going to talk to you when your
your little girl is setting.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I don't want to talk about station.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I think I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Talk about it. Well, especially if you personally have had
an experience with something like that.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Oh several. Yeah, that's why I'm like, so and well there,
I mean yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Meaning like meaning like drink.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
I've had shit happen and I just so neurotic with
my girls to the point where they are like mom,
and they're like just because I said, you just have
to be aware.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Very aware. Yeah, you know, even friends, you know.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Do they have boyfriends?
Speaker 4 (19:17):
One doesn't and one I don't know what he is.
I'm not sure, but I find that I actually asked
her and she goes, we're not putting a label on it.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I'm like, that's good. Yeah, great, So I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah, that's great. Yeah, you know, I know it's crazy.
It's just crazy.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
But you grew up with very famous parents, yes, which
is very different from how I grew up, and my
daughters would very much relate to like you and your sister. Yeah,
that whole thing of having to grow up with.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
The son and the.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Daughter of how do they how have they dealt with that.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I think us doing our own reality show actually with
them as adults now has been a good thing for them,
for them to have an opportunity, which is part of
why we made the decision to do it, is for
them to be able to have their own voice and
to have people will get to know them as their
own person. But I didn't realize actually how much it
(20:24):
really affected them until we started promoting our show, until
we started really talking about stuff, because that's all they
knew was Charlie and I doing what we did for
a living. They don't know anything different, and all I
knew of them was being, you know, our kids, Like
(20:45):
I didn't know certain things that affected them until you know,
the last couple of years actually, as they have been
spent becoming adults.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
They've been able to sort of express themselves a little easier.
How they were feeling now, how they felt.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Yeah, And I think in a way they weren't. They
didn't really, I think part of them really never deep
down thought about it until people started asking them what
was like. Then they had to start thinking about, well,
you know what I mean, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
But I think that they obviously they and I.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Reminded them too they got a lot of they got
some nice perks being like you could get right. But
I understand the other side obviously, But I didn't grow
up that way. So that's where I would imagine for
you and your sister, that transition of becoming an adult
and being your own person. I don't know how that
(21:47):
affected you or you're sitting yeah, well, I mean.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
It was a little different, you know, because it was
it was it was. There wasn't the technology that there
is right now. Yes, there were papara, but it was
it was a different kind you know, you walking getting
off a plane and then all of a sudden, like
eight thousand photographers jump out of nowhere, you know, terminal
and start flashing lights.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
And I've said this before, but I didn't. I did
not like it. I did not like the attention. I think,
being you know, having been a product of divorce, even
though Kurt was in my life and he raised me,
you know, entirely. Although my dad and I are my
real dad and I are developing a good relationship now
later in life, but still, my mom was sort of
(22:34):
my blankie, and when people were trying to take her
away from me figuratively, right, you know, I didn't like it,
and it bothered me. And then I would do everything
that I could as I got older to deflect who
I was. I wanted nobody to know who my parents were.
(22:58):
I wanted my own shit, you know. I just I
wanted to be liked for for who I was and
not even question it, you know, even though most of
the time no one's gonna like me for my parents,
there might be some intrigue there, but still it was something.
It was some something deep in me. You know. I
didn't I railed against it, for sure, you know, but
(23:22):
we were very they were very open about it.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
It was like between our in our four walls, it
was normal. It was like, now you work for what
the fuck you get. We're not giving you a ton
of money. Of course, we're going to have nice Christmases
and do nice things. That's the world we live in.
You got you, you little fuckers got lucky, but you
still have to work for your shit, you know. I mean,
it was it was hammered into us.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Well, which is why you guys are such hard workers
and you know, very successful.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Yeah, are your kids actors?
Speaker 4 (23:53):
No, Lola is very she's my nineteen year old She's
very much into her faith and she just started her
own podcast.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
It's faith based. School really is about, you know, wanting
people to help, for her to help people.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
If they want to find you know, Jesus and God
that are especially the younger generation, that it's okay to
say that you want to follow that path. So she's
very faith based into that. And but Sammy is actually
wanting to possibly get into acting.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
And were you guys a religious family or is this
something she discovered on her own?
Speaker 4 (24:39):
I raised I was raised Catholic, and then the girls
did go to Catholic school and day didn't have a choice.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
That's where they went to school.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
I baptized them and so and that's the thing that
I also admire about Lola is that on her own
she decided. She's like yes, because she was like, I'm
getting baptized, and I said you've been baptized.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
She goes, no, Mom, I'm getting baptized. And I'm glad.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
You know, it was good for me to understand that
that was something she made, the choice and her decision.
It wasn't my mom did it when I was a
baby and I didn't even know what was happening, you know, so,
but you know, my girls have been through a lot,
as we all have in life, and you know, for
Lola especially, this has been the path that has been
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really great and very healthy for her. And so I'm
happy for her and you know, and to be able
to do her own podcast.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
It's awesome. What's her podcast called.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Wella's podcast is called Heavenly Bonded and my dad actually
wants to be her first guest.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
She hasn't guessed yet, so he asked if he could
be her first guest.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
That's sweet.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, she was excited.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
This is cool. I love it. It'll be fun for
her to bring on people too, who are yeah, you know,
I mean the non believers or.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Or people on the fence or there.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Right, are different points of view exactly. That's fun.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Good for her, Oliver, before I forget, yeah, you were
going to do special Forces the season.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
How did you know I was going to do that?
You know why?
Speaker 2 (26:19):
You hear a little?
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Yeah, you and you were. I was so excited that
you were going to do it, so I know.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
I it's how I watched. I watched some of it
and fuck, all.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Right, are you?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
I mean part of me is happy I didn't And
then of course, part of me wants to challenge myself.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
You would have had fun with the guys, like with
Carrie and Yadi and Cam and I mean we had
a great group.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yeah was it it was? Was it fun? Or was
it was it?
Speaker 2 (26:55):
I wouldn't say it fun.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
It wasn't fun.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
It was the hardest thing is I've ever done in
my life. It's dangerous. I felt it. I mean, how
can I not be? But it was really hard. I
don't regret doing it. I really don't, because only because
of the people I became friends. Yeah yeah, if they
weren't there, i'd be like, well, but it's it's very challenging,
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which I knew, but it was.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
It's a lot harder than I thought.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh no, I know. I mean the
cold water alone.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
I didn't know we were going to do all that
water ship.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
It's so much water stuff because I watched I watched
a few episodes like, fuck, it's all water freezing.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
I did not know it was all water and it
was fucking cold as hell. And we really do like
I'm sure you had all the conversations and all that. Yeah,
and when they tell you like you do have to
turn your phone in and all that. I just thought
they just tell people you do there is no food,
like there is no pref service. I thought they would
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shut things down and say, Okay, you guys can have
a break. The guys are going to go have a break,
and production would come in and kind of say, you
guys can go have snacks or do this.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
You know it's not it is not that.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
You're in it the whole time.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
Yes, And but you know what's so funny is the
producers they asked me to do season two and sent
me season one, and I was like, heyll no, I'm
not doing this. There's no way I could do this.
Then season three came around and I finally said yes.
But they kept comparing me to your mom.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
She goes Beck.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
You would be like, please, please please, you are my
private benchmin, It's.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
My getting my private which is such a huge compliment.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
So it was very funny.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Did you push yourself beyond what you thought you could do?
Speaker 2 (29:13):
I am terrified of heights.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
I was able to stupidly on speedboat where they're like
just jump and grab onto a helicopter.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I saw that like if you're preparing for a movie, yeah, yeah.
If they would show you okay.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Yeah, right, here's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
An entire team of stunt coordinators saying, you know, blah
blah blah.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Blah, you're in that water and that I don't even
know where the hell we were. We were in the
Irish Sea and we didn't have our phone, so I
couldn't google, like what animals are.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
I was so nervous what the fuck was in the water.
And I was like, fuck, we don't have our phone.
I don't know what's down there.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
It's dark, it was raining, and you can't see ship,
and there's lots of current and everything, and.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
You're on the boat. You just go on the boat.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
And Foxy was like, okay, when the helicopter comes down,
I'm gonna say go and you have a small window
and you just have.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
To go and leap and grab on.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
And I'm like, okay, I can't fucking believe I did it?
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Did you make this?
Speaker 4 (30:20):
You?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Did you get the skin?
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Hang on?
Speaker 4 (30:23):
As the helicopter was pulling away, I was struggling and
I'm a left deep, so I was trying to go
up the other way when you have to go that
way to get in. I started to get a little
nervous because the helicopter was going up and I knew
the higher we go up, the deeper fall into that
weird ass water.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
So I finally just let go. No, it'scy but I was.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Like, I can't believe, like I'm you know, I would
just do that. Lily like, oh shut I'll jump on
to that.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Yeah, it's dangerous.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
What finally made you break?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Okay? So what made so?
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Then?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I lasted two days.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
The second day I jumped off the bridge and the harness, which,
by the way, again I'm afraid of heights.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
The hardness.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
I almost asked, do you know cut the gentleman on
the das on there? And I almost said to him,
and I'm like, I do not say anything. I'm like,
is this gonna? I?
Speaker 5 (31:24):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Caught my implants, I almost.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Asked them, and I'm like, I better not fuck around
with them.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Well it did.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
I jumped off the bridge and my implants ruptured and
I felt something, uh, and.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Then the heart the way the harness was too. I
knew I hurt myself. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
So then we went to this water thing and then
I had to carry a log, and so I said,
you see a doctor.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I just wanted to make sure I wasn't and I didn't.
He's like playing, I don't want to tell him. I
think my.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Boobs hurt, right, like my tit exploded, and I please
see a doctor.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I think you if I like carry on and get
on with it. I said they wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
He wouldn't let me see a doctor, and so I said, well,
I feel like I have no choice but to go
because I want to make sure I was.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
It wasn't just that.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I was like, yeah, a.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Lot grain area, but anyway, basically, you just destroyed every
part of you.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
That's I wanted to make sure to go home completely broken.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
But other than that, I think you would have a
great time.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Oh no, I would. The problem is I felt when
I watched it, I felt like I had to train
for it because I have to be in some kind
of shape, you know what I mean, Like I love
my booze, and you know, I smoked some cigarettes and
then I was like, I need to be in some
kind of shape here otherwise I'm going to be dead.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
I trained for when when I sucked because I had
a toilet issue with the show, so I wasn't sure.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I didn't know for a month.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
If I because I gave them one, I go, this
is my only deal breaker for me to do it.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
And I thought, there's no way they're going to do it.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
I was actually told by previous cast members They're like,
they're not going to let you have a toilet.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
So they did, but everyone else could use it too.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Okay, So I had three weeks to so I started
training six days a week, like four hours. Obviously that
didn't cut it. It's not so much that it's I'm
not an athlete. Even if I trained my ass off,
I am not an athlete, and even if I was twenty,
I still think like there's just certain things like I'm
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not athletic.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah, I'm a pilates girl, and there's no challenges where
there's pilates.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Ind No, they did not have a pilates challenge at all.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
You know, I really love the show and it's really
fun to watch and you can tell that it's real.
It's very real, right, the only thing, and you know
I have I have a production deal at Fox actually
right now, like it's producing stuff, So I'm not I
don't want to diss them in any way. They're my homies,
but the only thing that seemed a little funky to
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me is when they put the thing over your head
and then they're going, You're going into the room, and
you know, I don't want to act. You know what
if I and my whole thing was I'm gonna go
sit down and am I taking this seriously? Where they're like,
you know, fucking in that interrogation setting with the thing
on your head, I'm like I would normally be like,
all right, you know, I know, I know this is performative.
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I guess I have to play along.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Yes, And it's funny you said that, because that was
my thing too. I made the decision to disclose things
that I've never talked about, and it's because I wanted
to keep it like these guys, this is what they do.
And and at the end of the day, when I
(35:02):
did decide to do the show, I wanted to get
out of it as much as I could.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
And I have been.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Through a lot of stuff and like all of us,
and so I said some stuff that I was like,
oh fuck. When I finished the show, I was like, gosh,
why the hell did I do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Did they air it? They?
Speaker 2 (35:23):
I never watched it. By the way the show. But
I know they aired a version of it.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Because people brought it up to me and interviews, but
I couldn't watch it after, you know. But yeah, so
I but I agree with you. Like on one hand,
you're like, okay, we are still doing a TV show, sure,
but how do you far do.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
You take it? But I decided, you know what, fuck it.
I did this for a reason.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I think that's the best way to go. I mean,
even talking to you now, you seem like a very
open person, and I guess have you made the decision
just based on your life and how sort of public
it's been to just talk about it, And is that
part of why you're doing this reality show as well?
And I think Charlie's even on the show a little isn't.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Going to be an episode you mean to talk about
my life?
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Just your life, you know. I mean there's a lot there.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
I used to be very private until my divorce when
it was so public.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
There's so much shit.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
It was really hard because I went through a period
where people wouldn't hire me because they thought I was
trying to take down on Charlie and do all this stuff.
And it was so hard for me to accept that
people were judging me based on my personal life and
I really went through I could have gone in a
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very dark place, and I.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Yeah, because it was so awful to feel like out of.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
The I never had bad press, I never had people
say shit about me, and then over night to have
it be that and where I lost jobs and people
wouldn't even and people were talking about me on you know,
the Today's Show and all these talk shows and they
didn't know me. It was based off of their judgment
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of me going through a divorce and protecting my kids.
And you know, I didn't want to do mud slinging
with Charlie. I didn't want to do that shit. And
I just had to keep trying.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
To be quiet.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
And I got to a point where I just had
to kind of be in a bubble and tell everyone,
like I don't want to hear anything.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
I don't want to.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
Read anything if I need to say something, you know.
But and it was actually, to be honest, a blessing
for me because I was always such a people pleaser
and careful what I said in interviews and like wanted
to be the good girl and this and that, and
it was such a blessing for me.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
To be a be my.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
True authentic self and people will like me or hate
me or whatever.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I don't get shit.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
I'm just me, So I think that's what's how I
now am so open.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Do you remember that moment where you're like, you know what,
fuck this, I'm living in this bubble?
Speaker 4 (38:13):
Yeah, it was that time where it was just so awful.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
And then do you.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Have a moment though, where you're like, this is everyone
come to my house, I'm gonna fucking talk.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
No, it wasn't about talking. It was about being quiet
and me not me really thinking like I have to.
I cannot live with the toxic noise. I have to
because if I do, this could go a different path.
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I had two little girls that I had to and
my mom was sick at the time, ended up passing away,
and I was just like, I need to focus on
what's really important. And at the end of the day,
who's there for you are the people that are really important,
and that's what I needed to focus on and I
can't worry about you know. My publicist, she's so incredible.
(39:06):
She would have to talk me off the ledge because
so many times I wanted to say stuff and she's like,
be quiet, and she's so right about it, because if
you comment, then it's another story, another story. And then
a few years later, you know, eventually things come out
and then you know, unfortunately Charlie, but Charlie I divorced
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was what people started to see, and you know, the
spiral of that whole situation and everything, and.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Then you know, people started to think, oh, she's not
the crazy.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
She's not not she wasn't trying to destroy That might
be crazy in other ways, but I was, do.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, so I just
started to change.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
But it was the silver lining of all that was
just me being just myself and fuck it.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
But not to say that I.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
You know, I don't air dirty long, you know, like
I'm protective still, but it's like at least an open book,
like if you ask me question, I'll answer it truthful,
and I'm not like, yeah, you know, trying to like
be a people pleaser supposed to hear.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yeah, yeah, it does. It's limits, it's liberating. It was
actually sure, of course, and you know, with something that
at least from the outside and when I say the outside,
meaning half of it is probably bullshit. But just because
of how things get so turned around, but it's it
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was an extremely insanely I don't think toxic is even
the right word for that kind of a situation. But
you both have seemed to come out on top, meaning
he's going to be on your show, you're still parenting.
I guess, I don't know, but together, I mean, you know,
it's not like it's just been split and gone and
you seem to there's there's some cohesion. I guess through
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all of the insanity.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
Always wanted us to be positive in front.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Of the girls. I never talked bad about their dad
in front of them.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
And when times when Charlie was in a good place
and all of that, he was always invited to you know,
family shit, birthdays, holidays, whatever, and times when we would
get together together and times where.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
It wasn't wouldn't happen.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
And that's okay, but I always I actually sheltered the
kids almost to a point of where now as they're
getting older, they're discovering things, and they were at first
getting upset with me, like why.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Didn't you tell me that?
Speaker 4 (41:42):
How am I going to tell you that? That's like
not a there's no handbook for this.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Would you have done it? Differently now that you know.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
You know, it's funny you said that because I've gone
back and forth with that, like maybe I sheltered them
too much.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
But this is a very relatable start interrupt, and it's
a very relatable topic. And I think you can probably
educate people while when people got for real, because you know,
you are not an anomaly. This shit happens in the
real world all the time. And a parent, someone who
is the parent who is dealing with their children, and
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someone who is an addict, someone who is going through
some serious, serious shit, and you know, how do you
navigate that? You know, do you tell them? Are you like, hey,
this is who it is, this is who your father is.
I loved him, He's still your dad. You need to
know the truth, or everything's fine.
Speaker 4 (42:35):
You know what I didn't do. There were times I
did Everything's fine. Like, but if I was at a
school performance and he was supposed to show up and
I get a call something happened sideways, hospital whatever, I'm
(42:56):
not going to tell the kids the truth. I told
them I lied and I said Dad had to work.
You know, he was arrested on Christmas and he called
me from jail to say Mary Christmas to the girls,
and they were busy playing with their toys.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
They're like, we'll talk to the dad later.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
I go, I think dad's can be a little busy later,
so let's say so. So I didn't say, uh, your
dad just got fucking arrested, and he said, also, come
say Merry Christmas right now.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
That's smart shit, of course, thank you. Yes, I mean
come on, I know. Yeah, it's like but Santa came,
you know, I mean, like, yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
Some of the things were so outrageously bad where I'm like,
I can't say that. So I did lie, and I
sugarcoated and I protected him. And also, like I said,
with some of the ship he would say in the
press and crept like that.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
I didn't tell the kids.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
I would about you know, I would just say I
wanted to protect their relationship. And I wanted my girls
to always get to know their dad for Charlie, not
for their dad meaning not meaning you know, I didn't
want them to put honestly and Charlie, he and I
have had these conversations. You know, there was a time
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he was so I didn't know if he was going
to live, and I didn't want the girls to ever
get to know their dad, what they would read. I
wanted to see their experience in their relationship. And I
also didn't want to put on them my feelings because
that's not fair to them.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
And their relationship with him.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
I always wanted things and I even told Charlie, I
don't care if you're pissed at me, Let's have dinner
with the girls. Just fucking suck it up, because there
are daughters. They don't deserve to have their family split.
And you know, and now your other ex wife and
your kid, you know what I mean, Like, let's all
keep it harmonious as much as possible. So that's still
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to this day, I still try to do it.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
I'm not in a similar situation. You know. Again, I
told you my dad and I have reconnected and things
are good. But you know, it was not a great divorce.
And you know, he did a lot of press back
in the day, really like hitting mom hard, and you know,
it was very public, and it wasn't like it is now, obviously,
you know, because it was back then. But Mom made
(45:30):
a point of never bad mouthing my dad and then
even wrote me a letter that I still have. It
was a whole letter that She wrote about why she
married him and what an amazing man he was and is,
and how funny he is and how much like all
the good things about me, you know, that are from him,
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and it was just incredible to read. And it was
not it was not something just to do because she
felt like she had to think. She felt that and
that I needed to know that, right, you know, because
there's been still so much negativity that she's like, well,
you know, understanding that I am half his blood is
running through me, right, and there could be a time
(46:15):
where I wonder, oh my god, am I if half
of me tainted? But that's not how it works. She
wanted me to understand that your father is an amazing
person and I never would have married him if you right,
exactly so. And I think that's important, you know, because
when you married Charlie, and I mean you did it
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for real, he was fucking awesome and talented, funny and
all of the great things. And your daughters have that absolutely.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
And I am so grateful to him. Without him, I
wouldn't have.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
My daughter, and we have.
Speaker 4 (46:53):
Our journey has been very unique, but it was meant
to be, and you know, and it is up and
down and it's okay.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
But you know, at the end of the day.
Speaker 4 (47:04):
I know if I needed some I could call him
and he knows I will always be.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
There for him.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
And you know, and it is important, I think for
coming from my parents stayed married and to my mom
till death, do us Park, you know, so I don't
know what it's like to grow up with a split family,
And so it's interesting also to hear from you, like
what you know, the letter your mom wrote, because I
do think it's important for kids to cure the good. Yeah,
(47:36):
And you're in a unique situation, just like Mike. Not
everyone's children are exposed to it publicly, but it could
be their public, whether it's at school, whether it's the
small town knows everything that's going on with the family.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
That's their public, you know what I mean. So where
all the neighbors know that going on.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
And that's so hard for your yeahs navigating that ship.
Oh my god, especially as they get older now and
they're able to sort of think for themselves and read
for themselves, and everything's right there and you know, this
is what happened, and dad has this and he had
HIV or whatever. It's like, what the fuck I mean, yeah,
(48:18):
that must be so well. I'm just saying even for them, yes,
but even for you, just like, oh fuck, okay, here
we go. They're older ladies. Now how do we How
do I deal with this ship? And then it's up
to Charlie too, I think, you know, I don't know
him at all, but just to say, hey, let me
sit down with you for a second and explain my life. Yeah,
(48:39):
we all, we all. It all comes from something, you know.
I I've done want to work on myself and dealing
with my parents and my dad and my own afflictions.
You know. I went to the Hoffmann Institute and I
fucking dug deep. And when you can find compassion and
resolve for the people who may have, you know, hurt
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you and not meant to hurt you, but just have
with their actions, you understand that there's a reason for that.
And if you dig back into their lives, if you
dig back into Charlie's life as a child, in his childhood,
we can find the patterns that are existing. So while
of course it is his fault, at the same time,
there are reasons and it's not all your fault, you know,
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And and you know that helped me a lot with forgiveness,
finding the compassion as an older person, really feeling that compassion,
which then allowed me to truly forgive, you know, and
it's been healing.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Did this happen after you had your kids?
Speaker 1 (49:48):
Yes, okay, yes exactly.
Speaker 4 (49:51):
I think with girls, I think the real forgiveness will
be one after they have children, and they'll be.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
Up to you know, maybe totally you know, yeah, I
mean I think they have to want it, number one,
be forced upon them, Like you need to work on
yourself so you can forgive your dad so that you
can be a better person and not repeat these patterns,
you know what I mean. When I was a kid,
I remember I was, you know, sixteen years old or
(50:24):
fourteen years old, and Mom was just ripping on me,
like what is wrong? What is wrong? You know, because
I was going through those tough times at school and
you know whatever, and I just fell to the ground
sort of sobbing, saying I don't want to be like
my dad, you know, and I missed him. I needed him,
(50:45):
I wanted him, even though Kurt was my father and
in my life, and I just didn't like the way
that it felt not to have him in my life
and I made a decision in that moment that I
would never do that to my children, you know. So
I sort of broke the pattern in that moment to
the point where I might be hyper parent. You know,
if I miss one little thing, I'm like, oh my god,
(51:07):
they're all fucked up. They're going to know. It's like
I've abandoned them and I missed, like I'm working in
Toronto and I missed like a you know, a morning
meeting at their school. And now I think that they're
going to be But I made that choice. I made
that choice, and that was earlier on, that was before
I had So I think sometimes our trauma, you know,
we can either swim in it and repeat it, or
(51:31):
we can look at it from you know, a different
perspective and step away from it and say, Okay, I
don't want to be that, and I'm going to make
sure that I am not that.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
You know, You're still like, you're such an amazing dad.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
I love being a dad. It's hard, I know, but
I do. I dig it. I mean, it's a number.
It's a definite priority for me. I mean, I won't
work in New York on TV shows for six, you know,
for six years I have to be around to the
detriment of my career, honestly.
Speaker 2 (52:05):
Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
I've made this my priority, you know. Sure, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
Yeah, there's nothing like that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
No, it's great. I mean it's great. It's amazing. And
we don't know. I like, you know, we don't know.
We don't know. We think we're doing it right. I
think I don't fucking know. We all do it differently,
you know. And I've said this a thousand times. It's
not it's not if we fuck up ours. It's just
to what degree that's true, you know, I know, it's
(52:35):
to what degree we're doing our best under these circumstances.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
It's true.
Speaker 4 (52:40):
You know, we're trying hard, We're trying as best as
we can.
Speaker 1 (52:45):
Yeah. Yeah, So talk about your show a little bit.
I want to hear what is it on?
Speaker 2 (52:50):
What? Oh?
Speaker 4 (52:51):
So it's on It's on Bravo andesday nights at nine
o'clock and then the next night on Peacock. And I
believe our season finale is Tuesday, and uh, you know
it was I did Housewives at Beverly Hills and Ali
(53:12):
does that He approached me about doing a family reality show,
and so we decided let's do it, and.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
It's been good.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Is this the first season?
Speaker 2 (53:21):
It's our first season.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
Was it hard when you approach the girls? Was it
like okay, you know that? Were they down? Was it like, mom,
I don't want to do this?
Speaker 4 (53:31):
Well, so Sammy the oldest, she was, I definitely want
to do it.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Mom, like we need cameras because our life.
Speaker 4 (53:40):
Is so great. Lola was at first, she was like,
I'm not sure, and she was concerned with because of
her faith, and I told her it's also an opportunity
for her to inspire people who are wanting to explore
that or want to share their faith too. But anyway,
(54:02):
I did. She I didn't want to If no one
wanted to do it, obviously we wouldn't be doing a
family show.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
And what about Aaron?
Speaker 2 (54:10):
Aaron was he'll support what.
Speaker 4 (54:12):
He's like, sure after the Housewives, He's like, sure, whatever
you want want to.
Speaker 1 (54:15):
Do, this will be compared.
Speaker 4 (54:19):
Yeah, although there were times I was like I wish
I was fighting with those bitches.
Speaker 1 (54:24):
Yeah. Yeah, and then Charlie. Did you have to say
to Charlie, hey.
Speaker 4 (54:31):
We're doing the show. You need to support your daughters. Yeah,
film with us.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
Yeah, that's great. Yeah, well Denise, thanks for hanging out
for a little bit.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
It's so good to talk to you know.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
It was fun. And yeah, I'll see you around.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
I'll see you around. And if you do Special Forces
then call me.
Speaker 1 (54:56):
I know, I will, I will.
Speaker 2 (55:00):
All right, cool, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
All right, see you later. Been through a lot and
it's crazy ship, crazy ship, but she's navigating it now.
Speaker 4 (55:12):
It's just.
Speaker 1 (55:14):
What am I gonna do right now? I Am going
to do a cold plunge. Yeah, the Special Forces thing.
You know. I was just scared. Hey, guys, don't tell anyone,
but I was like scared, and I didn't really want
to work out and get ready for it, and I
(55:37):
didn't want to go to like whales. But I don't know,
maybe I'll do it next time. I'm gonna leave. I'm
gonna leave, goodbye.
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