November 25, 2024 • 52 mins
Tish Cyrus-Purcell and Brandi Cyrus join Oliver for a very revealing revelry!
The truth behind the decision to divorce Billy Ray, the anxiety attacks that stopped Tish in her tracks, and how Brandi handled her parents' break-up as an adult.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
We wanted to do something that highlighted our.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Relationship and what it's like to be siblings.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
We are a sibling.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Raivalry. No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth. Revelry.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Bronco. Bronco is my dog. He's a German Shorthair pointer
and he never leaves my side. He's a little bit anxious,
but he is deeply and madly in love with me,
and I am too, so reciprocated and he just sort
of follows me around and I love him. And then
(01:02):
I have got donut. As some of you might know
if you listen to sort of I think my Father's
Day episode, he was bothering me. Donut is my bulldog.
He's a dumb, dumb but he's a sweetie. I think
he's nine almost nine. Started to slow down a little bit.
Bulldogs don't live that long. But I think he's gonna
think he's gonna do pretty good here. Anyways, me, it's
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all Aiver Hudson. If he didn't already know, I just
got back from New York City. I was doing the
Drew Berrymore show. I had a blast talking relationships, talking
about love with my Manta Diggs. It was fun. I think,
you know, I think I want to do a daytime
talk show. I think this is what I'm leaning leaning towards.
(01:46):
Do I love being an actor, yeah? Sure, Do I
love producing? Yeah? I love it all. We're in a
world now, this business, where we need to pivot, you know,
we need different avenues. We've got to supplement, We've got
to figure out what else we love. And I do
like talking to people. I do like giving my armchair advice,
even though I don't use my own advice half the time.
(02:08):
But I could talk more about myself. But I think
we got a couple of amazing guests in the waiting room,
Brandy and Tish Cyrus. Oh yes, oh yes, the iconic name,
the Cyrus iconic name. Very excited to have them on
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to talk about many, many, many many things, having grown
up the way that they did with all the siblings.
Oh wait, you're already here. I I was doing my intro.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Carry on, it's like, we're not here.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
This is actually this is kind of fun. Let me
let you guys stay on. I'm going to keep doing
my intro. So, these are two of the most beautiful
women I've ever seen in my life. They are extremely intellectual.
I don't understand why they're not multi billionaires. Oh wait,
(03:08):
they're here. What did you hear all that?
Speaker 5 (03:11):
No, I'm not a saying I'm wondering if we're not
multi billionaires.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Well, thank you guys for coming on and playing with me.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Oh my god, you do not know how stoked I am,
because I am, like, it is not okay, how much
I'll love your Instagram?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Oh really? Yes, oh good, it makes me happy. It's
it's it's the one thing that honestly probably brings me
the most joy because I nothing is planned. Everything is spontaneous.
That's why sometimes I don't do shit and nothing goes
on there, and then all of a sudden, I get
the giggles of something that comes through my head and
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I just do it. But I love it. I mean,
if there's any piece of creativity that is a true
expression of my being, that is definitely it's.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
It's too good.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Like if I'm in like a bad mood and I
just I hit your Instagram restantly happy.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
So thank you for that?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Oh good, Well, thank you, guys, I appreciate that. Where
are you right now?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
We're in my house in to Luca Lake in La.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Oh you are? Yeah? Okay? Good? But where did you
grow up? Where did this all happen?
Speaker 5 (04:27):
I grew up in eastern Kentucky in the Sticks, and
moved to Nashville in the early nineties and then out
here in two thousand and four.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
So I've been here for a long.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Time, okay. And then Brandy, I grew up.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
In Nashville, essentially moved me, moved us there when I
was five, and I lived there up until Miley got
Hannah Montana. And then I lived in LA for a
while and freaking hated it. And now I'm back in Nashville.
I've been back for a long time.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
So oh good. So hold on, why did we hate La?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
What is there to like? Honestly, guys, like the West
wasn't the same all the time. It's so boring. The
traffic is horrendous. Getting into lax is a freaking nightmare.
No bookings out with each other, there's no night life,
there's no social scene. Like I it's just not for me.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, you know what, I agree? I mean, I was
born and raised here, but I kind of want out.
I'm an outdoor guy, right, so I have a boat.
I love the ocean, I love the mountains.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Where would you go if you were gonna move?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Probably Colorado, I'm right there with you. Yeah, Colorado. The
Colorado to me is, you know, just a perfect state.
I mean, I love the snow, I love the seasons.
I love the summers there. You know, We've had a
ranch there for forty years my family, so it's sort
of second Homeie. I went to elementary school there, just
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outside of Aspen, and it's just a very special place
for me, you know, yep. And I'm sick of the traffic.
I'm sick of I'm sick of it, you know I am.
But it's home. My whole fucking family lives ten minutes
from each other, you know. I mean that's pretty special.
I got Kurt and Mom and Wyatt and Kateon and
Boston and all of us are right here with all
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the cousins and everything else.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
I wish all of my kids were here, but it's
for me. I mean, I could never live in Nashville
because through my kids are in Nashville. But the weather
is literally horrendous, So I can't great. It is terrible.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
It brains more than it rains in Seattle News.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
And but for me here Molly is literally like five
minutes for me, and Noah is five minutes for me,
and all right here together and so and I love it.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
And I have happened to have a house that like
I cannot see anyone else, like like I cannot see
my neighbors.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
I have a big front yard. I have a big backyard.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
And like when you pull into my gates, you feel
like you're like in freaking Bali.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Yeah, it feels like live retreat.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
For sure.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
It does block a retreat. So like for me, like
just the traffic is really the only thing that bugs me.
And yeah, it's filthy.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
So that's I get it. I did a show called Nashville.
I did Nashville in Nashville. I lived there for two years.
So I bought a house in Cleveland Park. You know,
and no doubt that weather is nasty. The ice storms
were nutty.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I know, the storms are insane.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. Well let's go back a little bit.
Because you guys have such you have such an interesting
sort of family. There's seven total siblings, correct, five? Okay,
total five total op total okay, and so there's half
in fulls. There are how many halves and how many folds?
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Two halves, three folds?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Okay? Three? Fourth? And is everyone still connected under the
same umbrella? Everyone is their relationships amongst everybody.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
There are relationships among everyone. But being that the three
the three are in Nashville and two are in LA.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Like I got divorced about what year was that, twenty
twenty two years ago? I don't know, but I got divorced.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Well yeah, yeah, I was reading about that with Billy, right,
so okay, But it was an interesting divorce, meaning it
was a divorce, not divorced, divorce not divorce, and then
finally divorce.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
For me, I never wanted to be divorced. Like my
mom and dad got met on a Monday, got married
on a Friday, and we're together until my dad passed away.
Great childhood, best example of a marriage you could ever imagine.
And also just for us, like you're in the public guy,
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and like the world that we like exist in is
already so kind of odd and at some times unstable.
I wanted to make it work, you know, probably for
a little too long, like for my.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Own mental health, right, So the staying together was sort
of filing. Staying together was like can we make this
work or can you make this work essentially right? Right?
And then you know, the ship peters up.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
It there became a point that like I didn't have
a choice.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
I had like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And how
was that for the whole family just generally?
Speaker 5 (09:42):
I mean it definitely I think was tough on everyone
in some ways.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
It was, but I feel like when once they finally
did divorce, we were all adults. Yeah, I know, and
that was I feel like in the beginning, like you know,
in the prior filings, like especially Noah was so young,
and that was definitely like a big thing, is like
my mom really wanted to stay the family, to stay
together for Noah. But then you know, once Noah was
an adult, I do feel like it was was it
(10:07):
was not great, But also we're all old enough to
understand it, right, like build like like zoom out and
see it for what it was instead of feeling like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
That's an interesting question actually, because we always I'm proud
of I'm a child of divorce, you know, but you're
always hearing of stories, you know, or the implications of
divorce through child's eyes, you know who brain has not
developed fully and is maybe taking it personally or it's
fucking them up in one way or another. Right, But
(10:38):
you rarely hear of adult children who sort of are
going through it and how you guys are all able
to process that with a fully developed, conscious and aware brain.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Yes, for sure, it was definitely definitely different, Like it.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Was easier or were there I think so?
Speaker 4 (11:00):
I think, I mean, I honestly don't know what it's
like to go through a divorce, like living in a
parent's house, but because I was out of the house.
But I would assume that if a kid was still
in the house during a divorce that you would be
wrapped up in all the drama more right, Like I
was very removed from it because I lived in my
own house and I wasn't you know, you're not like
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you're not just like in all of it, only part
of what they tell you essentially, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
So yeah, right, But there's there's no taking sides, right,
I mean, there's just is there No matter what. I'm
not going to get into the d because I don't
know how much you want to talk about it or not.
I like the fucking weeds, as you probably will know,
but like like weed and the weeds. But you know,
it's like when you're that age, whatever happens to your parents,
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you know, and how do you navigate that? For sure?
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Yes, you know, I think I mean even the older kids,
you know, like my son Trace, for example, he's thirty six,
he'll be thirty six in February, you know, and he
was like FuMB like he was like, I wish my
mom and dad would never get that.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
I wish that wouldn't have happened.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
I still, you know, have just you know, I think
no matter I was, like I said, I was an
only child and had the best upbringing and best parents
and never went through anything like that. So I don't
really know how it affects you, but I definitely think,
you know, ultimately my kids, it was definitely something that
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was probably hard on him. I would think, you know,
no matter how you do it, and you know, I
think that we did it really well.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
I think I did it really well.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
And I do I think that I just wanted it
to be the easiest as possible for everyone involved.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
So going back to happier times, I guess, you know,
just the having children, And I always ask this question
for people who do have kids who are famous and
how they you know, we're able to sort of navigate
that as well, you know, growing up in it with
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a famous father, what that was like, how you keep
everyone humble, how you keep them grounded, and then even
moving forward, you know, when the kids want to sort
of follow in the footsteps or get into these into
this business, which can obviously be dangerous if not done correctly.
You know how you guys sort of went about all
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of that.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
It was like for me like a full time job
because I also manage I have managed my lie since
day one, and I still do and so you know,
it's like that bad balance of being her manager and
her mom, you know, wasn't always easy. But honestly, she
is sheer perfection now and so whatever I did, like
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I'd like pat myself on the back all the time
because I'm so proud of like the woman that she's become.
She's getting ready to be thirty two, and like she
amazes me every day. And you know, she started Hannah
Montana when she was twelve, so she really did grow
up in the business and most of the time, a
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lot of the time that does not go well. But
for somehow we made that relationship really work. And I
did that with all my kids, Like you know, I
even I managed Noah for a while. Noah has a
different manager now, I don't know the world as well
with Noah, Like musically, she's completely different than anything I know.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Amazing. By the way, it's so funny because I told
my wife you know who was coming on, and she goes,
oh my god, I've just been obsessed recently with Noah's music.
And she just just played me two of her songs
and one was called July Yes, and the other one
was kind of about what is it called, like over
being dark or something was kind of about it.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Might have been I don't know if it was.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Second Verse talks about Miley. I think where it's like
my sister is all light and Sean.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah, Noah is like like an artist, you know, like
she's always from the time she was like thirteen, just
had this depth to her that like comes out in
her music.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
She writes all of her music, and like she's such
an artist. With Molly, like Molly's so different. Molly isn't
such a different like top style of music and world
that Noah is, which is great because there's no competition there,
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you know, like they're in just two completely different worlds musically,
which is great. And then Brandy's a DJ and traces
in music. My son Brazen, Noah and him collabed sometimes
he's a songwriter.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
So like all my kids are in music.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
It's crazy the family business, you know. I mean, it's
the family fucking business. It's the same here. You know.
It's like you got the got Curtin Mom, totally, myself,
Kate Wyatt, all of our kids want to act. I mean,
it's just kind of the way it is.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
It really is.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
I think that when kids grow up like that, they
don't know anything, like that's all they know.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Yeah, I mean I will say, like I'm the oldest.
So for me, it was, you know, I was never
I was never expected to get into the business. If anything,
it was kind of the opposite. I think. I think
my mom really wished I would be the one to
like go to college and get a degree thing else,
and and I was never expected to do it. But
I was also like never pressured to do anything anything specifically,
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And I've still found myself in it, you know what
I mean, Right, yeah, obviously we all did, and it
is interesting how we all like somehow found a separate
lane in it too, Like she said, like it's just
like we all do it, but like there's really no
competition and crossover, which is like really interesting.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I asked this question all the time because we have
celebrities and their siblings or you know, I've come from
that world where we all do the same thing and
everyone seems to say that there is no envy, there
is no jealousy, everyone's you know, happy for each other.
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I don't fucking necessarily believe it all the time. I
just don't, only because do you do you wish success
for everyone in your family? Of course? Are there parts
of me? And I've talked about this a million times,
you know where I'm envious of my sister's opportunities and
you know what she's been able to do and do
I sometimes feel like the black sheep, even though my career,
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you know, by normal standards, have been amazing. Fuck yeah,
you know what I'm saying, Like, there's that thing and
maybe it's me, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Just the two of you guys, the siblings.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
No, it's myself, it's Kate, it's Wyatt, and it's Boston,
so it's too full. Kate and I are blood, and
then Wyatt and I are half and then Boston's step
I see. Yeah, how are you on the youngest, I'm
the oldest. I'm like you yeah, interesting, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
I think like honestly, I'm speaking of Trace again, like
he really just told me the other day, Like I've
always like, I've never been jealous of Molly. I've always
been grateful for the opportunities I get because of her,
And so I think that I think that my kids
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have mostly seen.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
It that way.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Yeah, you know, I mean I'm sure it's hard to
be you know, like the Mallis of the world don't
come around very often. I mean like to hit and mally.
Like I always talk to my kids about like shut
a machine. I mean, like Disney was a machine, and
you know, those opportunities are so far and you know,
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if it's just like it's.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Winning the lottery, you know.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
And so I think also just instilling that into them
as they were younger and getting into the business, you
know that you know, not everybody gets to go in
that way, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
And it's harder because you have to kind of work harder.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
And do things differently, and you know, just it's just
a completely different way career path and a white into
your career than the way Molly had with Hannah Montana
mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
And Brandy, give me a little snapshot into sort of
your upbringing, right, because you're the oldest, but you were
tell me if I got this wrong, but you were
adopted correct after But I'm.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Yeah, my dad technically adopted me when I was really young.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Got it? Okay, So give me a little give me
a little overview of that.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Yeah, I mean, so for me, like I was five
or six when ikeep, Break your Heart came out.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
That sounds right, I don't think you were that well. Yeah,
so eight two five, I was five.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
So essentially, for like as long as I can remember,
my dad's just been so famous, you know what I mean.
So I've literally known nothing different. But I think, like,
like where you guys went right, was like Trace and
I trace a year and a half apart, so we're
same age essentially, Like we were in public school. I
was in public school until I was eighteen years old,
until I graduated high school. So even though my dad
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was so famous, I still like had a pretty normal
like day to day life, like went to public school,
and when I was sixteen, like I got I got
a job at a restaurant and went to work and
was did very normal things, you know, even even though
I would go watch my dad play these huge shows
or whatever. But I'm so thankful for that, and I
think that's something that like once the family moved to
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LA that was just almost impossible, right, Like it's not
even to send them to public school and they're gonna
have the same experience I had, Like it was just
very different for them. But for me, it's just kind
of all I've ever known is like the fame and
all of it. So I feel like it doesn't like
it just it doesn't really affect me oddly. But I
also at the same time just feel like a normal person.
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But what I was gonna say about like Miley's fame
and just like the grandeur of like of like her success,
I don't ever feel the jealousy because I've never wanted that,
Like I never wanted to be like famous or like
have people recognize me everywhere I go and like have
my photo taken everywhere. Like I love to play music
and I love to have fun on the weekends in
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the club and make money. But what I love more
is being able to go home and live a normal life.
I live on a farm, I ride horses every day,
I hang out. It's like and I want that, and
I want to be able to always like have that.
And when you have a career like Miley, that's your life,
like entirety of your life. And I think I've always
known that I don't want to give up all the
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other parts of my life for a job or to
be able to like live out.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Yeah, you lose your freedom completely, you know.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Yeah, And you have to really fucking love it for
that to be justified. And Miley does. She fucking loves
everything that she does. She loves every process, every part
of it. And like it's it's cool to see that
because that is what it takes to be able to
have that kind of career.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Totally, Oh my god, No, I'm totally with you. That
level of fame is gnarly. You lose all your anonymity obviously,
and then you lose your life essentially. And you said
it perfectly, which is you have to love it, you know,
you have to because it's such a massive sacrifice and
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of course you have. You know, the haters say, oh,
what the fuck do you have to complain about? You're
rich and famous, but you know there is a price
to pay for that, There's no doubt.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
About that across to pay.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah, yes, I mean it's it's crazy. I mean you
can't even you know, just date and hang out with
dudes or go do your thing or whatever. Especially as
a young person, you have to be careful of every
little fucking movie you make unless you don't. And Miley
seems to have that irreverence of like, you know what,
fuck off, I don't don't give a shit what you
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think about me. I'm gonna go live my life.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
She does, and like that is a good thing. It's great.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
But it's like going on vacation or like you know,
she like if you're on like all the tours we've
ever done in every city, like everybody's going out and
sight saying during the day and doing all the things
and what like, there's no way that Molly could do that,
Like it would be like mayhem. So you're stuck in
a hotel room alone and you know, it's it is,
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it's it really is. You just give up so much
like as far as that goes of being able to
just go on vacation and be a normal person and
you know, do things normally. But I do think that
Molly honestly, like I said, like I'm in awe of
her every day, Like she's just like kind of figured
it out, and you know it is so happy, and
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like Brandy said, like she really is at this point
in her adulthood where she really kind of is like
every step has gotten me to where I'm at now,
and like you know, she can kind of choose what
she wants to do and not want to do, and.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
So yeah, like she she's loving it.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Does she have her moments? Does she know how to
find her freedom and anonymity without having to just stay
at home? You know, I mean it's a big world, man, Like, wait,
don't you she want to go experience it?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
He definitely wants to.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
And I think now that she's older, that that will
happen and that she'll figure that part out because she
like has just gotten like kind of the travel bug
and like the world and you know, do all the things,
and so yeah, I think there's a way to figure
it out and do it. I don't think you'll ever
do it. Like a normal person gets to do it.
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But I definitely think that they're you know, she'll she's
a smart girl, she'll figure.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
It for sure and bringy.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Going back a little bit, you know, do you remember
being adopted. Was this a big moment or was it
just kind of like this is my life? Because I
only say this because you know my dad, you know,
he was around for a little bit, then he he bailed.
We have a good relationship now, but it took a long, long, long,
long time, but we're there. Kurt came into my life
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when I was six, five or six kind of saying
the same and essentially he raised me. You know, he's
the man that I am. I'm the man I am
today because I am right. There was a moment when
he asked us, myself and Kate if we wanted to
be adopted, and we said no, and not that we were,
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you know, very aware of probably what it even fucking meant.
We were six and however old or twelve whatever, I
don't remember the age, but we just said, well, we
don't need it, you know what I mean, like we
the love is right there, and you know, at the
same time, you know, when you don't have your biological around.
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It's hard to replace that no matter what. You know,
what I'm saying, like the love was there with Kurt.
There's no doubt that he is my dad. I call
him Paul, you know, but there was always not something missing,
but it was always sort of like wow, but there's
that other side, you know. Yeah, did you ever feel
that at all? Or was it just like this is
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my dad and that's it.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Yeah, That's kind of how it was for me. Like,
like I said, like from I mean Achy Bricky Heart
came out when I was five, but I mean my
dad's been in my life since I was what three? Yeah,
Like you know, so I was I was very young.
It's kind of all I know. And like you're kind
of saying, like he was my dad, he like turned
me into the person that I am. He taught me
how to play guitar, He taught me how to ride
(27:36):
a horse. He literally taught me how to do every
single thing that I loved today. And I was a
little bit older. I think when we like did the
legal thing, and I think for me a lot of
it was like, well, I want to have the same
last name as my the rest of my family. I
want to have the I want to be able to
put cyrus when I'm at school and be braindy side,
you know what I mean. And it was kind of
more of like, well, this is my family and this
(27:56):
is my dad, and I want to like I want
to actually be a part of that family. And I
think that's kind of more of what it was for
me at the time. And I don't really remember it
feeling like a big deal because it already felt like that,
like it already the family, and I already felt like
I was a sire. I already felt like he was
my dad. So I just like kind of like it
just didn't really feel like like a huge moment, you
(28:17):
know what I mean, Oddly enough.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
And then how did your sort of creative evolution happen?
I mean at a young age, did everyone know and
specifically you kind of what you wanted to do, what
you wanted to be. Did you know that you were
a creative person and wanted to pursue the arts.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
So like I actually feel like I was the latest
to that, like the latest bloomer in that sense. Like
when I was growing up, like all I cared about
was horses and I was just at the barn, like
riding to love horses a day, every single day, and
it's literally all I wanted to do. And then then
I think like I went off to college and slowed
down the riding, and that's the exact same time that
(28:56):
Miley got hand in Montana, and you know, then the
whole family moved out to la and the whole family
kind of stepped more into the entertainment side of things,
and I started making more friends in music, and it
started to become like everybody that I was around was
a creative and that's kind of how I feel like.
I started to tap into that. And I became friends
(29:18):
with a bunch of girls that were in a band
and they all played guitar and they were all musicians
and they became my very best friends, and they ended
up touring with Miley and we all got on the
road together, and I was hanging out essentially, but it
made me want to learn how to play the guitar.
And it's like, oh, well, look at that. My dad's
great at it, so I'll just have him teach me.
And I was probably i don't know, like twenty twenty
(29:40):
one or twenty two, like when I picked up a
guitar and on that tour kind of started messing around
with it, and then when we came off that tour,
I would just sit with my dad every day and
just like figure out how to play the guitar. And
that's kind of how I got interested in it. And
then when I moved to La, I was working as
like a featured background extra on Hannah Montana and got
(30:01):
introduced to a girl that was a very talented artist
and musician that was looking to put a band together,
and she and I started a band, and I just
kind of like it all just kind of happened really fast,
you know. And it's funny because I as a kid,
never like have dreams of what I wanted to be
or have goals or like I definitely would not say
like I knew I've always known what I wanted to do,
(30:23):
because that's so far from the truth, and even to
this day, like I feel.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Like I still don't really know.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
I feel like I'm just kind of as it goes,
you know, for a while. And then I like then
that ended. And I started modeling a little bit when
I was young, and then I wasn't that young when
I started that, so I was like, well, this isn't
gonna last long word. I go from here, and that's
where I kind of got introduced to, like the world
of the djaing and DJing. I would never in a
million years of thought like that's where I would end up.
(30:49):
And even when I started doing it, I was like, oh,
this is good for now, until I really want to
do and then I just started to really love it
and it just started to take off for me. And
here we freaking out And now she has a residency
at the wind So now I'm a free resident.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Details Oh really, damn, that's amazing, isn't it Weird though,
that's the beauty of life, And that's the beauty of
sort of letting, not squeezing too hard and holding on
to to anything. Really, you know, there's something really uh
(31:28):
fantastic about this idea that you still don't know what
the hell you are. I'm a very uh I try
to be self aware. I have been in therapy for
a billion years and I'm always in my head, not
in a bad way, but I always ask. I'm always
sometimes like, who the fuck are you, Oliver? Like who
(31:49):
are you really? Like? Are you full of shit? To yourself?
Right now? Like I mean I have these existential crises
sometimes in my head, but then I'm like, you know what,
who gives who kiss a ship? That? Why do I
need to even pass a judgment on this? And we
can't know who we are fully because we're forever evolving.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
You know.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
It's it's kind of the fun about being human. It
can be scary at times, but if you allow it
to just to be part of the process, then fuck, yeah,
it's kind of awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
I've kind of always been like I'll go where life
takes me kind of gal like I don't Brandy is like, honestly,
and I know that that you talk about your mental
health and like, I've always been anxious, and over the
last months, I've been very open about literally having the
(32:45):
worst anxiety I've ever life.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
Oh my god, Oh my god, it's it's been the
chills awful. Like really, all Brandy, this girl like because
all like all my kids have a little bit of anxiety,
Like yeah, like we all struggle a little bit with it.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Not this one, like.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
She was cruising through life there is like like yeah,
there is nothing, no anxiety, no, none of it And
like a.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
TI, what what as mama, what what would you attribute
that to. You know, why do you think that just
given her makeup.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
I don't know if it is because of the horses.
For subfirming such a young age, like she really cared
about nothing else, Like she really didn't like from the
time she was six and put on a horse that
was really she had such a connection to that and
it was like there really wasn't time to think about
(33:43):
other things, and like she was just always completely in
it and she still.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Is like to this day.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
And also like I don't know, but we like it's
we just all talk about it because it's just like.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Damn got to be genetic a little bit. It's got
to be something in your DNA that gives you anxiety.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
I feel like I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Well again, as you know, like I'm this is my
my struggles have been with anxiety. You know, it's not
an everyday thing, but you do live with low grade
you know, every now and again, even though I am
on lexapro and I you know, on medication all that,
but there is a genetic component. You know, my mom
when she was twenty four years old, twenty five years old,
(34:24):
which was the exact age when I got struck with anxiety,
and when I say struck, I mean it. I was
going into like a club. My heart felt like it exploded.
I went down to a knee. I thought I was
dying and I didn't understand, don't even know what anxiety was. Yeah,
and my mom had it at the same time. So there.
I don't think you're I don't think you're wrong. I
(34:44):
think there is a genetic component to that for sure.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
That somehow that gene just missed me because I lucky, lucky, I.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
Mean she got I mean so lucky because like I
was on lexipro for like twenty years, I worked beautifully,
Like I didn't even have any low grade anxiety. I
was like yeah, and all of a sudden it stopped
working and oh yeah. And so for the last six
to seven months, I've had like a lot of anxiety.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
So you've only been like vocal about it for the
last like six months or so, or have you talked
about it? Why do you think that would.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Have been in like a freaking cave for six months.
We went on hiatus from the podcast and everything, and
she's just kind of going through it and then just
just surfacing in the past month.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I'd say, oh wow, it's so interesting. So why do
why did you feel like you had not that you
had to hide it awaite because you were obviously you
know you're on shows and you know you're a public person.
And did you just never want to really talk about it?
Speaker 1 (35:49):
No?
Speaker 5 (35:50):
I talked about it the second I came, Like, I
literally truly like it. Just it draws me crazy to
give tabloids and shit like headlines. But like I also
I always want to be honest because I want like
if anything comes out of you know, what I've gone through,
is if I can help other people who go through thing,
(36:12):
then it's great. No, I wasn't functioning enough to even
do the podcast, like was full on like panic attacks,
like NonStop panic and just I've never felt anything like
the anxiety that I felt for like four months solid
of like like like after hell. As soon as I
(36:37):
came out of it and we started podcasting again, I
started talking about it.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yeah, So how did you come out of it?
Speaker 5 (36:45):
Changed medications, which like when I first went on lexapro
and like you, I like was around twenty three when
I first started having anxiety, I went on lexapro and
it just like wiped it out, like it for me,
it was just like I really, I mean, I got
I had like anxiety around traveling and sure, yeah, nothing
(37:07):
like major that I couldn't handle. And I also, for
the last ten years smoked a lot of weed. And
I don't know if this had something to do with it,
but we went on vacation somewhere I could not have weed,
and like three days in I just started having so
much anxiety. Came home, I tried to smoke again and anxiety,
(37:32):
and then just for some reason, had a full long
I call it my anxiety era because I'm telling you
it was like from the moment I woke up till
the time I went to bed, I was just anxious,
and it was like the abilitator.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
How did your anxiety manifest? Because it's so funny, I
had the exact four month stint. This is about two
years ago now. I it was fucking gnarly, and I
had young kids. They weren't young young, but I still
to be a dad, you know. I was mountain biking
and Colorado, going downhilling, like losing my shit on the mountain,
and I would wake up every morning and there'd be
(38:11):
that small moment where I'm like, am I okay? And
then boom, I'm now I'm flooded with I'm.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
Still waking up with anxiety every single morning.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
How does it feel like? Because sometimes it's stomach, sometimes
it's this, sometimes it's you can't breathe, you know, I
mean okay.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
So at first, like the stomach thing was terrible in
the beginning, that has sodded a lot of way, like
a lot of way, and which was really scary for
me because I'm already pretty small person.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
So I was like, very not.
Speaker 5 (38:47):
And then it's more like in my chat like I
just my heart, I just feel it. I'd my sobs,
just feel anxious. So for me, the second my feet
hit the floor in the morning, I go for a
walk like I do, like a long walk, and that
at this point gets it out. And if I stay busy,
(39:12):
I'm okay. Like when I am busy and not focus
on it at all, I'm okay. If I have too
much time on my hands, I'm still kind of in it.
But it's not debilitating.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
At the moment.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Four months it was debilitating.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Mm hmm. I consider myself a pretty strong willed person.
I know what I'm going through. That was the benefit
of having been through it. I know I'm not dying.
I know I'm going to get through it. I know
there is light at the end of this tunnel. I
have to ride it out. I have to keep my
meditations going, I have to keep journaling, I got to
keep working out, I got to keep you know, f
(39:50):
positive affirmations and all of these things. Because that anxiety
is roots and stems from something. You know, there is
a chemical imbalance. I do believe that, but it there.
There is a psychological component to it, so that means
there's a way out. But if I was a weaker
person and I thought this is it, I'm trapped like
(40:11):
this forever. Sorry, I'm not going to keep going.
Speaker 5 (40:14):
It's like, honestly, like I'm the same way. Like they're
like suicide, Like that's just like not an option. Yeah,
there are were days that I would say, like autruly,
like I can't, I can't live like this. But like
if this, like I don't know what I'm gonna do
because I can't.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
And then that perpetuates more anxiety. That's the fucked up
thing about anxiety is that it's at this vicious cycle
because you get anxious about being anxious.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
That's I'm still there.
Speaker 5 (40:49):
Oh, yeah, but again, like I really a lot of
money is when I have addle time, like even on
the weekends. I'm not like, I'm not a big outdoor person,
so like I don't play sports or tennis or hike
do things like that, So weekends are hard for me usually.
(41:10):
But so has yours only happened when you've been off
your lexapro or has yours that happened while if well
on your lexapro? Are you totally fine?
Speaker 2 (41:22):
I'm like you, I have sort of. I can have
low grade anxiety around certain situations, you know, or sometimes
I'll wake up I'm like, fuck, dude, I'm just anxious,
God damn it, you know. But it's not that bedridden,
debilitating like disassociation where I'm like, is life even real
(41:42):
right now? Like I can't even even what's coming out
of my vision doesn't feel like reality, you know. It's
not like that. But my last really, my worst bout
ever again two years ago, was me going trying to
go off of lexic pro, weaning off of it because
I'm like, I think I'm okay. It was just a
bad choice and I did it correctly, but it just
(42:06):
like just devastated me, Like I fucking put me down.
And then I got a job and I'm like, oh
my god, I got to go to Albuquerque to do
this TV show. I can't I can't act like that.
I can't go. I'll I literally cannot work. So I
just went back on, you know.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
And then it evens you completely.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah, yeah, it's even me out.
Speaker 4 (42:30):
You know.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
There's no doubt though that it still pops its heat up.
You know, if I drink too much and have a
decent hangover, that kicks in, you know. I mean, there
are certain times where it flares up, but it hasn't
gotten to that point where it's just you know, gnarly,
gnarally gnarly. But you know, it's I've had three really
(42:51):
bad bouts in my life, and it's probably you know,
it might happen again at some point, you know, but
it's just I think I know how to manage it
a little bit better. Yeah now, but it's still awful,
and I'm glad you're talking about it, and you know,
I think you're right. Even though we know that many, many,
(43:12):
many many people suffer as well, and they know that
people suffer as well, sometimes it's nice to hear that
you're not alone, there's some camaraderie in it, you know,
even with me. Of course, I'm like cerebrally, I know
a lot of people have anxiety, but like if you
and I are talking privately and you're like, oh my god,
I'm fucked up, I'm like, oh my god, I'm sucked
up too, there's a camaraderie there, totally.
Speaker 5 (43:36):
No Honestly, I literally when I saw on your Instagram
you talking about that happening to you a couple of
years ago, I was like, immediately, I was like, oh god, yeah,
like I'm not the only one. Not that you wish
that on someone else to make feels there is this
thing of like, oh, he went through that and he's
(43:58):
on the other side of it.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
That's hopeful.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
You know, maybe you and I should start an anxiety
club called Club Anxiety. Seriously, it's kind of a fucking Grady.
Club Anxiety is kind of a funny name too, because
it sounds like like a dance club.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
I call this my anxiety era.
Speaker 5 (44:16):
Like everybody's talking about the eras to our Taylor, I'm like,
I'm been in my anxiety era. So but yeah, like
I literally I want to talk about it as much
as possible, because honestly, I look and I'm like, Okay,
why have I going through this?
Speaker 3 (44:35):
Why have I gone through this?
Speaker 5 (44:37):
Like if I don't use it to help other people,
then in a way, you know, what's the point, Like
I there's nothing. I just think there's no shame in it.
It's just something that you either happens to you or
it doesn't. And if it does happen, it's fricking hard.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
It's you know, but they're right there. There is that
silver lining to all of and you may not see
it now, but it definitely rears its head in the
best possible way. I mean for me, it was even
with my kid who's now seventeen, when he was in
eighth grade, I kept him home from school for almost
a month because he was going through he had anxiety,
(45:15):
and I just knew what it was. I knew how
to deal with it, you know, luckily for him. Yeah,
and I was able to sort of, you know, have
great conversations with him and give him some tools. So
there was that, and then again and you're you know,
you're in the spotlight, like you're a famous person, like
you have that reach and the amount of people that
(45:38):
I have some come into contact with who have said
to me, you know your story has made me feel better,
or inspired me, or has made me want to seek
help in one way or another. And it feels pretty
fucking great.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
I know, you know totally.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
I wanted this place called the Hoffman Institute, which I've
talked to.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
I've talked a bunch of trying to get her to
go there.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Oh babe, Tish, should I go? It changed my whole shit?
Speaker 3 (46:14):
I'll see, really, yes.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
It changed my shit. It's been six years now. There's
a honeymoon phase. There's no doubt, like when you come
out of it. It's almost like your psychic I was
like icee life totally differently. We get pounded again by life,
and that's normal, but you have this wonderful toolbox to
sort of draw from when you need it. The experience
itself once you surrender to it and once you can
(46:40):
commit to it, which took me two days to do
because I was in my head like these fucking people
are crazy. But I just said, you know what, Oliver,
You're here, go And it was really an amazing experience.
You just learned so much about yourself and you can
break it all down and it's pretty amazing. I mean
(47:00):
I had an incredible experience. Wow, Okay, I would do it.
I would honestly give it a shot. What's your hesitation.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
I don't know. I'm just scared to Like.
Speaker 5 (47:11):
I love my house, I love being like and I'm
at this place where and I have not been like this,
where I have this sphere of being alone and it
is not good, even alone for like a day or two,
like breaks me out.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
So I need to work through that for sure.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
Yeah. Oh, what's the best time when you're the most afraid,
you know, the worst time for in your mind, but
the best time probably to deal with it. Yeah, it's
been amazing. And I'm only to say that because I
talked about on this show. I've talked about it on
talk shows whatever, because you know, it's just a part
of my life and the amount of letters that I
(47:55):
have gotten because in the process, you know, and at
the end, you write a letter to the people who
inspired you to go. And I have hundreds of them,
and it's been like, oh my god. I am an
emotional person just generally, but I cry every time I
read them because it just makes me feel amazing. You know.
Speaker 3 (48:15):
Yeah, so many days did.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
You go seven days. You go up there, no phone,
no nothing. You literally check out. You don't bring books,
you don't bring computers, you don't do anything. You can't run,
you don't want to do yoga, you just want to, like,
don't do anything. That's the idea. They literally say, please
don't masturbate. I'm like, well, but no, you're not allowed.
(48:40):
I'm like, how about just once?
Speaker 3 (48:42):
The thought of setting and my thoughts and doing that
thing is not okay?
Speaker 2 (48:46):
Yeah, I know, I know.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
Yeah that sound hard.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Okay, so real quick podcast, Give it to me. What
are you guys doing, how long you've been doing it?
Give me the whole give me al the deats doing it.
Speaker 4 (48:56):
For a few years, it started out it was called
sorry We're stoned because I love that freaking massive stoner
and so funny.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
Are you still smoking now that you it's killing me?
Speaker 5 (49:08):
I want to, but honestly, I think at this point
rotten now, Like it would just make me more anxious.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
Yeah, because it goes both ways. Sometimes people smoke their
weed to alleviate anxiety.
Speaker 5 (49:22):
To see we can talk forever about this, because like
I want to think if I smoked it would relieve it.
But I'm so afraid it will do the opposite that
now I'm scared to do it. But weed was I
felt like weed was my medicine for a long time.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's mine.
Speaker 5 (49:38):
Yeah, So I like the thought of not smoking weed
ever again, Like I don't I'm praying that's not the
case that I can smoke again and that'd be okay. Yeah,
I just don't know with my anxiety rotten now that
that's probably the best thing. Yeah, it's been seven months
(49:59):
for me and not smoked every day.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
Yeah, you know, and.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
I pray to God I get back there.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
Well, once we connect, we'll get you back.
Speaker 5 (50:12):
So now that I'm not smoking, and for other reasons,
we did a rebrand and now it's called Sorry We're Cyrus,
and we just we kind of just came back and
have just started this this new era of the podcast.
And it's been great because, you know, for a lot
of people that didn't smoke, they it feels more inclusive now,
(50:34):
brands aren't scared of us. So there were a lot
of reasons that I think that it's been a good change.
Speaker 4 (50:41):
Sure, but it's essentially the same podcast. It's always just
been a mother daughter podcast and we you know, talk
about mother daughter dynamics, family dynamics, but also just things
that we have in common. My mom's very passionate about
interior design. We had an interior design show a few
years ago. Definitely do a little design segment in there.
My mom loves giving advice. She's very good at it.
(51:04):
So we have people send in questions and ask for
advice about different things, anything from like relationships to you know,
life advice and everything. And we've been like ramping up
on our guests, like we've had some really cool guests
on and it's cool to almost keep the format loose
kind of. I mean, your format seems so loose to
it's great because then you can just really like loose
their stories and kind of see where the conversation takes you.
(51:26):
And it's been really fun and I feel like it's
been really relatable, and yeah, I'm we're excited to get well.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
It's also cool to work with your mom and you
work with your daughter.
Speaker 5 (51:35):
It's also an opportunity like today to talk about hard
subjects and make people less alone. And like you have
so many people say, oh my god, I love the
podcast because it feels like we're just hanging out with
you guys, and you know you're just like us, and
so it's honestly really rewarding to do.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
Yeah, well cool, it has been great. I appreciate you
know your can and I think it's all important stuff
to talk about. And uh, and and let me know
if you want me to be a guest. I'm down
to come on the podcast.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
Oh that would be amazing. I would love that.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
Yeah, one hundred percent. You can ask me anything, Okay, great, anything. Well,
this is so fun. Thank you guys so much for
coming on. And uh will definitely connect and everyone listening
to this podcast. And I want to come on because
I want to be grilled. I want I want you
guys to grill me.
Speaker 3 (52:27):
Oh I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
I dare you to come up with a question that
I don't answer. How about that? Oh yeah yeah, just
let me know I'm down. Okay, it's good talks, all right, guys.
Speaker 4 (52:39):
Later
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
We wanted to do something that highlighted our.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Relationship and what it's like to be siblings.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
We are a sibling.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Raivalry. No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth. Revelry.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Bronco. Bronco is my dog. He's a German Shorthair pointer
and he never leaves my side. He's a little bit anxious,
but he is deeply and madly in love with me,
and I am too, so reciprocated and he just sort
of follows me around and I love him. And then
(01:02):
I have got donut. As some of you might know
if you listen to sort of I think my Father's
Day episode, he was bothering me. Donut is my bulldog.
He's a dumb, dumb but he's a sweetie. I think
he's nine almost nine. Started to slow down a little bit.
Bulldogs don't live that long. But I think he's gonna
think he's gonna do pretty good here. Anyways, me, it's
(01:24):
all Aiver Hudson. If he didn't already know, I just
got back from New York City. I was doing the
Drew Berrymore show. I had a blast talking relationships, talking
about love with my Manta Diggs. It was fun. I think,
you know, I think I want to do a daytime
talk show. I think this is what I'm leaning leaning towards.
(01:46):
Do I love being an actor, yeah? Sure, Do I
love producing? Yeah? I love it all. We're in a
world now, this business, where we need to pivot, you know,
we need different avenues. We've got to supplement, We've got
to figure out what else we love. And I do
like talking to people. I do like giving my armchair advice,
even though I don't use my own advice half the time.
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But I could talk more about myself. But I think
we got a couple of amazing guests in the waiting room,
Brandy and Tish Cyrus. Oh yes, oh yes, the iconic name,
the Cyrus iconic name. Very excited to have them on
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to talk about many, many, many many things, having grown
up the way that they did with all the siblings.
Oh wait, you're already here. I I was doing my intro.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Carry on, it's like, we're not here.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
This is actually this is kind of fun. Let me
let you guys stay on. I'm going to keep doing
my intro. So, these are two of the most beautiful
women I've ever seen in my life. They are extremely intellectual.
I don't understand why they're not multi billionaires. Oh wait,
(03:08):
they're here. What did you hear all that?
Speaker 5 (03:11):
No, I'm not a saying I'm wondering if we're not
multi billionaires.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Well, thank you guys for coming on and playing with me.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Oh my god, you do not know how stoked I am,
because I am, like, it is not okay, how much
I'll love your Instagram?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Oh really? Yes, oh good, it makes me happy. It's
it's it's the one thing that honestly probably brings me
the most joy because I nothing is planned. Everything is spontaneous.
That's why sometimes I don't do shit and nothing goes
on there, and then all of a sudden, I get
the giggles of something that comes through my head and
(03:52):
I just do it. But I love it. I mean,
if there's any piece of creativity that is a true
expression of my being, that is definitely it's.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
It's too good.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Like if I'm in like a bad mood and I
just I hit your Instagram restantly happy.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
So thank you for that?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Oh good, Well, thank you, guys, I appreciate that. Where
are you right now?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
We're in my house in to Luca Lake in La.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Oh you are? Yeah? Okay? Good? But where did you
grow up? Where did this all happen?
Speaker 5 (04:27):
I grew up in eastern Kentucky in the Sticks, and
moved to Nashville in the early nineties and then out
here in two thousand and four.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
So I've been here for a long.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Time, okay. And then Brandy, I grew up.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
In Nashville, essentially moved me, moved us there when I
was five, and I lived there up until Miley got
Hannah Montana. And then I lived in LA for a
while and freaking hated it. And now I'm back in Nashville.
I've been back for a long time.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
So oh good. So hold on, why did we hate La?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
What is there to like? Honestly, guys, like the West
wasn't the same all the time. It's so boring. The
traffic is horrendous. Getting into lax is a freaking nightmare.
No bookings out with each other, there's no night life,
there's no social scene. Like I it's just not for me.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, you know what, I agree? I mean, I was
born and raised here, but I kind of want out.
I'm an outdoor guy, right, so I have a boat.
I love the ocean, I love the mountains.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Where would you go if you were gonna move?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Probably Colorado, I'm right there with you. Yeah, Colorado. The
Colorado to me is, you know, just a perfect state.
I mean, I love the snow, I love the seasons.
I love the summers there. You know, We've had a
ranch there for forty years my family, so it's sort
of second Homeie. I went to elementary school there, just
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outside of Aspen, and it's just a very special place
for me, you know, yep. And I'm sick of the traffic.
I'm sick of I'm sick of it, you know I am.
But it's home. My whole fucking family lives ten minutes
from each other, you know. I mean that's pretty special.
I got Kurt and Mom and Wyatt and Kateon and
Boston and all of us are right here with all
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the cousins and everything else.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
I wish all of my kids were here, but it's
for me. I mean, I could never live in Nashville
because through my kids are in Nashville. But the weather
is literally horrendous, So I can't great. It is terrible.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
It brains more than it rains in Seattle News.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
And but for me here Molly is literally like five
minutes for me, and Noah is five minutes for me,
and all right here together and so and I love it.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
And I have happened to have a house that like
I cannot see anyone else, like like I cannot see
my neighbors.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
I have a big front yard. I have a big backyard.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
And like when you pull into my gates, you feel
like you're like in freaking Bali.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Yeah, it feels like live retreat.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
For sure.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
It does block a retreat. So like for me, like
just the traffic is really the only thing that bugs me.
And yeah, it's filthy.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
So that's I get it. I did a show called Nashville.
I did Nashville in Nashville. I lived there for two years.
So I bought a house in Cleveland Park. You know,
and no doubt that weather is nasty. The ice storms
were nutty.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I know, the storms are insane.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. Well let's go back a little bit.
Because you guys have such you have such an interesting
sort of family. There's seven total siblings, correct, five? Okay,
total five total op total okay, and so there's half
in fulls. There are how many halves and how many folds?
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Two halves, three folds?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Okay? Three? Fourth? And is everyone still connected under the
same umbrella? Everyone is their relationships amongst everybody.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
There are relationships among everyone. But being that the three
the three are in Nashville and two are in LA.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Like I got divorced about what year was that, twenty
twenty two years ago? I don't know, but I got divorced.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Well yeah, yeah, I was reading about that with Billy, right,
so okay, But it was an interesting divorce, meaning it
was a divorce, not divorced, divorce not divorce, and then
finally divorce.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
For me, I never wanted to be divorced. Like my
mom and dad got met on a Monday, got married
on a Friday, and we're together until my dad passed away.
Great childhood, best example of a marriage you could ever imagine.
And also just for us, like you're in the public guy,
(09:01):
and like the world that we like exist in is
already so kind of odd and at some times unstable.
I wanted to make it work, you know, probably for
a little too long, like for my.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Own mental health, right, So the staying together was sort
of filing. Staying together was like can we make this
work or can you make this work essentially right? Right?
And then you know, the ship peters up.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
It there became a point that like I didn't have
a choice.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
I had like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And how
was that for the whole family just generally?
Speaker 5 (09:42):
I mean it definitely I think was tough on everyone
in some ways.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
It was, but I feel like when once they finally
did divorce, we were all adults. Yeah, I know, and
that was I feel like in the beginning, like you know,
in the prior filings, like especially Noah was so young,
and that was definitely like a big thing, is like
my mom really wanted to stay the family, to stay
together for Noah. But then you know, once Noah was
an adult, I do feel like it was was it
(10:07):
was not great, But also we're all old enough to
understand it, right, like build like like zoom out and
see it for what it was instead of feeling like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
That's an interesting question actually, because we always I'm proud
of I'm a child of divorce, you know, but you're
always hearing of stories, you know, or the implications of
divorce through child's eyes, you know who brain has not
developed fully and is maybe taking it personally or it's
fucking them up in one way or another. Right, But
(10:38):
you rarely hear of adult children who sort of are
going through it and how you guys are all able
to process that with a fully developed, conscious and aware brain.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Yes, for sure, it was definitely definitely different, Like it.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Was easier or were there I think so?
Speaker 4 (11:00):
I think, I mean, I honestly don't know what it's
like to go through a divorce, like living in a
parent's house, but because I was out of the house.
But I would assume that if a kid was still
in the house during a divorce that you would be
wrapped up in all the drama more right, Like I
was very removed from it because I lived in my
own house and I wasn't you know, you're not like
(11:20):
you're not just like in all of it, only part
of what they tell you essentially, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
So yeah, right, But there's there's no taking sides, right,
I mean, there's just is there No matter what. I'm
not going to get into the d because I don't
know how much you want to talk about it or not.
I like the fucking weeds, as you probably will know,
but like like weed and the weeds. But you know,
it's like when you're that age, whatever happens to your parents,
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you know, and how do you navigate that? For sure?
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Yes, you know, I think I mean even the older kids,
you know, like my son Trace, for example, he's thirty six,
he'll be thirty six in February, you know, and he
was like FuMB like he was like, I wish my
mom and dad would never get that.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
I wish that wouldn't have happened.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
I still, you know, have just you know, I think
no matter I was, like I said, I was an
only child and had the best upbringing and best parents
and never went through anything like that. So I don't
really know how it affects you, but I definitely think,
you know, ultimately my kids, it was definitely something that
(12:42):
was probably hard on him. I would think, you know,
no matter how you do it, and you know, I
think that we did it really well.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
I think I did it really well.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
And I do I think that I just wanted it
to be the easiest as possible for everyone involved.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
So going back to happier times, I guess, you know,
just the having children, And I always ask this question
for people who do have kids who are famous and
how they you know, we're able to sort of navigate
that as well, you know, growing up in it with
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a famous father, what that was like, how you keep
everyone humble, how you keep them grounded, and then even
moving forward, you know, when the kids want to sort
of follow in the footsteps or get into these into
this business, which can obviously be dangerous if not done correctly.
You know how you guys sort of went about all
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of that.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
It was like for me like a full time job
because I also manage I have managed my lie since
day one, and I still do and so you know,
it's like that bad balance of being her manager and
her mom, you know, wasn't always easy. But honestly, she
is sheer perfection now and so whatever I did, like
(14:11):
I'd like pat myself on the back all the time
because I'm so proud of like the woman that she's become.
She's getting ready to be thirty two, and like she
amazes me every day. And you know, she started Hannah
Montana when she was twelve, so she really did grow
up in the business and most of the time, a
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lot of the time that does not go well. But
for somehow we made that relationship really work. And I
did that with all my kids, Like you know, I
even I managed Noah for a while. Noah has a
different manager now, I don't know the world as well
with Noah, Like musically, she's completely different than anything I know.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Amazing. By the way, it's so funny because I told
my wife you know who was coming on, and she goes,
oh my god, I've just been obsessed recently with Noah's music.
And she just just played me two of her songs
and one was called July Yes, and the other one
was kind of about what is it called, like over
being dark or something was kind of about it.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Might have been I don't know if it was.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Second Verse talks about Miley. I think where it's like
my sister is all light and Sean.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah, Noah is like like an artist, you know, like
she's always from the time she was like thirteen, just
had this depth to her that like comes out in
her music.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
She writes all of her music, and like she's such
an artist. With Molly, like Molly's so different. Molly isn't
such a different like top style of music and world
that Noah is, which is great because there's no competition there,
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you know, like they're in just two completely different worlds musically,
which is great. And then Brandy's a DJ and traces
in music. My son Brazen, Noah and him collabed sometimes
he's a songwriter.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
So like all my kids are in music.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
It's crazy the family business, you know. I mean, it's
the family fucking business. It's the same here. You know.
It's like you got the got Curtin Mom, totally, myself,
Kate Wyatt, all of our kids want to act. I mean,
it's just kind of the way it is.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
It really is.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
I think that when kids grow up like that, they
don't know anything, like that's all they know.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Yeah, I mean I will say, like I'm the oldest.
So for me, it was, you know, I was never
I was never expected to get into the business. If anything,
it was kind of the opposite. I think. I think
my mom really wished I would be the one to
like go to college and get a degree thing else,
and and I was never expected to do it. But
I was also like never pressured to do anything anything specifically,
(17:05):
And I've still found myself in it, you know what
I mean, Right, yeah, obviously we all did, and it
is interesting how we all like somehow found a separate
lane in it too, Like she said, like it's just
like we all do it, but like there's really no
competition and crossover, which is like really interesting.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I asked this question all the time because we have
celebrities and their siblings or you know, I've come from
that world where we all do the same thing and
everyone seems to say that there is no envy, there
is no jealousy, everyone's you know, happy for each other.
(17:53):
I don't fucking necessarily believe it all the time. I
just don't, only because do you do you wish success
for everyone in your family? Of course? Are there parts
of me? And I've talked about this a million times,
you know where I'm envious of my sister's opportunities and
you know what she's been able to do and do
I sometimes feel like the black sheep, even though my career,
(18:14):
you know, by normal standards, have been amazing. Fuck yeah,
you know what I'm saying, Like, there's that thing and
maybe it's me, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Just the two of you guys, the siblings.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
No, it's myself, it's Kate, it's Wyatt, and it's Boston,
so it's too full. Kate and I are blood, and
then Wyatt and I are half and then Boston's step
I see. Yeah, how are you on the youngest, I'm
the oldest. I'm like you yeah, interesting, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
I think like honestly, I'm speaking of Trace again, like
he really just told me the other day, Like I've
always like, I've never been jealous of Molly. I've always
been grateful for the opportunities I get because of her,
And so I think that I think that my kids
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have mostly seen.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
It that way.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Yeah, you know, I mean I'm sure it's hard to
be you know, like the Mallis of the world don't
come around very often. I mean like to hit and mally.
Like I always talk to my kids about like shut
a machine. I mean, like Disney was a machine, and
you know, those opportunities are so far and you know,
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if it's just like it's.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Winning the lottery, you know.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
And so I think also just instilling that into them
as they were younger and getting into the business, you
know that you know, not everybody gets to go in
that way, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
And it's harder because you have to kind of work harder.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
And do things differently, and you know, just it's just
a completely different way career path and a white into
your career than the way Molly had with Hannah Montana
mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
And Brandy, give me a little snapshot into sort of
your upbringing, right, because you're the oldest, but you were
tell me if I got this wrong, but you were
adopted correct after But I'm.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Yeah, my dad technically adopted me when I was really young.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Got it? Okay, So give me a little give me
a little overview of that.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Yeah, I mean, so for me, like I was five
or six when ikeep, Break your Heart came out.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
That sounds right, I don't think you were that well. Yeah,
so eight two five, I was five.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
So essentially, for like as long as I can remember,
my dad's just been so famous, you know what I mean.
So I've literally known nothing different. But I think, like,
like where you guys went right, was like Trace and
I trace a year and a half apart, so we're
same age essentially, Like we were in public school. I
was in public school until I was eighteen years old,
until I graduated high school. So even though my dad
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was so famous, I still like had a pretty normal
like day to day life, like went to public school,
and when I was sixteen, like I got I got
a job at a restaurant and went to work and
was did very normal things, you know, even even though
I would go watch my dad play these huge shows
or whatever. But I'm so thankful for that, and I
think that's something that like once the family moved to
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LA that was just almost impossible, right, Like it's not
even to send them to public school and they're gonna
have the same experience I had, Like it was just
very different for them. But for me, it's just kind
of all I've ever known is like the fame and
all of it. So I feel like it doesn't like
it just it doesn't really affect me oddly. But I
also at the same time just feel like a normal person.
(21:39):
But what I was gonna say about like Miley's fame
and just like the grandeur of like of like her success,
I don't ever feel the jealousy because I've never wanted that,
Like I never wanted to be like famous or like
have people recognize me everywhere I go and like have
my photo taken everywhere. Like I love to play music
and I love to have fun on the weekends in
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the club and make money. But what I love more
is being able to go home and live a normal life.
I live on a farm, I ride horses every day,
I hang out. It's like and I want that, and
I want to be able to always like have that.
And when you have a career like Miley, that's your life,
like entirety of your life. And I think I've always
known that I don't want to give up all the
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other parts of my life for a job or to
be able to like live out.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Yeah, you lose your freedom completely, you know.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Yeah, And you have to really fucking love it for
that to be justified. And Miley does. She fucking loves
everything that she does. She loves every process, every part
of it. And like it's it's cool to see that
because that is what it takes to be able to
have that kind of career.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Totally, Oh my god, No, I'm totally with you. That
level of fame is gnarly. You lose all your anonymity obviously,
and then you lose your life essentially. And you said
it perfectly, which is you have to love it, you know,
you have to because it's such a massive sacrifice and
(23:10):
of course you have. You know, the haters say, oh,
what the fuck do you have to complain about? You're
rich and famous, but you know there is a price
to pay for that, There's no doubt.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
About that across to pay.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah, yes, I mean it's it's crazy. I mean you
can't even you know, just date and hang out with
dudes or go do your thing or whatever. Especially as
a young person, you have to be careful of every
little fucking movie you make unless you don't. And Miley
seems to have that irreverence of like, you know what,
fuck off, I don't don't give a shit what you
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think about me. I'm gonna go live my life.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
She does, and like that is a good thing. It's great.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
But it's like going on vacation or like you know,
she like if you're on like all the tours we've
ever done in every city, like everybody's going out and
sight saying during the day and doing all the things
and what like, there's no way that Molly could do that,
Like it would be like mayhem. So you're stuck in
a hotel room alone and you know, it's it is,
(24:12):
it's it really is. You just give up so much
like as far as that goes of being able to
just go on vacation and be a normal person and
you know, do things normally. But I do think that
Molly honestly, like I said, like I'm in awe of
her every day, Like she's just like kind of figured
it out, and you know it is so happy, and
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like Brandy said, like she really is at this point
in her adulthood where she really kind of is like
every step has gotten me to where I'm at now,
and like you know, she can kind of choose what
she wants to do and not want to do, and.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
So yeah, like she she's loving it.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Does she have her moments? Does she know how to
find her freedom and anonymity without having to just stay
at home? You know, I mean it's a big world, man, Like, wait,
don't you she want to go experience it?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
He definitely wants to.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
And I think now that she's older, that that will
happen and that she'll figure that part out because she
like has just gotten like kind of the travel bug
and like the world and you know, do all the things,
and so yeah, I think there's a way to figure
it out and do it. I don't think you'll ever
do it. Like a normal person gets to do it.
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But I definitely think that they're you know, she'll she's
a smart girl, she'll figure.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
It for sure and bringy.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Going back a little bit, you know, do you remember
being adopted. Was this a big moment or was it
just kind of like this is my life? Because I
only say this because you know my dad, you know,
he was around for a little bit, then he he bailed.
We have a good relationship now, but it took a long, long, long,
long time, but we're there. Kurt came into my life
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when I was six, five or six kind of saying
the same and essentially he raised me. You know, he's
the man that I am. I'm the man I am
today because I am right. There was a moment when
he asked us, myself and Kate if we wanted to
be adopted, and we said no, and not that we were,
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you know, very aware of probably what it even fucking meant.
We were six and however old or twelve whatever, I
don't remember the age, but we just said, well, we
don't need it, you know what I mean, like we
the love is right there, and you know, at the
same time, you know, when you don't have your biological around.
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It's hard to replace that no matter what. You know,
what I'm saying, like the love was there with Kurt.
There's no doubt that he is my dad. I call
him Paul, you know, but there was always not something missing,
but it was always sort of like wow, but there's
that other side, you know. Yeah, did you ever feel
that at all? Or was it just like this is
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my dad and that's it.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Yeah, That's kind of how it was for me. Like,
like I said, like from I mean Achy Bricky Heart
came out when I was five, but I mean my
dad's been in my life since I was what three? Yeah,
Like you know, so I was I was very young.
It's kind of all I know. And like you're kind
of saying, like he was my dad, he like turned
me into the person that I am. He taught me
how to play guitar, He taught me how to ride
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a horse. He literally taught me how to do every
single thing that I loved today. And I was a
little bit older. I think when we like did the
legal thing, and I think for me a lot of
it was like, well, I want to have the same
last name as my the rest of my family. I
want to have the I want to be able to
put cyrus when I'm at school and be braindy side,
you know what I mean. And it was kind of
more of like, well, this is my family and this
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is my dad, and I want to like I want
to actually be a part of that family. And I
think that's kind of more of what it was for
me at the time. And I don't really remember it
feeling like a big deal because it already felt like that,
like it already the family, and I already felt like
I was a sire. I already felt like he was
my dad. So I just like kind of like it
just didn't really feel like like a huge moment, you
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know what I mean, Oddly enough.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
And then how did your sort of creative evolution happen?
I mean at a young age, did everyone know and
specifically you kind of what you wanted to do, what
you wanted to be. Did you know that you were
a creative person and wanted to pursue the arts.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
So like I actually feel like I was the latest
to that, like the latest bloomer in that sense. Like
when I was growing up, like all I cared about
was horses and I was just at the barn, like
riding to love horses a day, every single day, and
it's literally all I wanted to do. And then then
I think like I went off to college and slowed
down the riding, and that's the exact same time that
(28:56):
Miley got hand in Montana, and you know, then the
whole family moved out to la and the whole family
kind of stepped more into the entertainment side of things,
and I started making more friends in music, and it
started to become like everybody that I was around was
a creative and that's kind of how I feel like.
I started to tap into that. And I became friends
(29:18):
with a bunch of girls that were in a band
and they all played guitar and they were all musicians
and they became my very best friends, and they ended
up touring with Miley and we all got on the
road together, and I was hanging out essentially, but it
made me want to learn how to play the guitar.
And it's like, oh, well, look at that. My dad's
great at it, so I'll just have him teach me.
And I was probably i don't know, like twenty twenty
(29:40):
one or twenty two, like when I picked up a
guitar and on that tour kind of started messing around
with it, and then when we came off that tour,
I would just sit with my dad every day and
just like figure out how to play the guitar. And
that's kind of how I got interested in it. And
then when I moved to La, I was working as
like a featured background extra on Hannah Montana and got
(30:01):
introduced to a girl that was a very talented artist
and musician that was looking to put a band together,
and she and I started a band, and I just
kind of like it all just kind of happened really fast,
you know. And it's funny because I as a kid,
never like have dreams of what I wanted to be
or have goals or like I definitely would not say
like I knew I've always known what I wanted to do,
(30:23):
because that's so far from the truth, and even to
this day, like I feel.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Like I still don't really know.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
I feel like I'm just kind of as it goes,
you know, for a while. And then I like then
that ended. And I started modeling a little bit when
I was young, and then I wasn't that young when
I started that, so I was like, well, this isn't
gonna last long word. I go from here, and that's
where I kind of got introduced to, like the world
of the djaing and DJing. I would never in a
million years of thought like that's where I would end up.
(30:49):
And even when I started doing it, I was like, oh,
this is good for now, until I really want to
do and then I just started to really love it
and it just started to take off for me. And
here we freaking out And now she has a residency
at the wind So now I'm a free resident.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Details Oh really, damn, that's amazing, isn't it Weird though,
that's the beauty of life, And that's the beauty of
sort of letting, not squeezing too hard and holding on
to to anything. Really, you know, there's something really uh
(31:28):
fantastic about this idea that you still don't know what
the hell you are. I'm a very uh I try
to be self aware. I have been in therapy for
a billion years and I'm always in my head, not
in a bad way, but I always ask. I'm always
sometimes like, who the fuck are you, Oliver? Like who
(31:49):
are you really? Like? Are you full of shit? To yourself?
Right now? Like I mean I have these existential crises
sometimes in my head, but then I'm like, you know what,
who gives who kiss a ship? That? Why do I
need to even pass a judgment on this? And we
can't know who we are fully because we're forever evolving.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
You know.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
It's it's kind of the fun about being human. It
can be scary at times, but if you allow it
to just to be part of the process, then fuck, yeah,
it's kind of awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
I've kind of always been like I'll go where life
takes me kind of gal like I don't Brandy is like, honestly,
and I know that that you talk about your mental
health and like, I've always been anxious, and over the
last months, I've been very open about literally having the
(32:45):
worst anxiety I've ever life.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
Oh my god, Oh my god, it's it's been the
chills awful. Like really, all Brandy, this girl like because
all like all my kids have a little bit of anxiety,
Like yeah, like we all struggle a little bit with it.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Not this one, like.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
She was cruising through life there is like like yeah,
there is nothing, no anxiety, no, none of it And
like a.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
TI, what what as mama, what what would you attribute
that to. You know, why do you think that just
given her makeup.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
I don't know if it is because of the horses.
For subfirming such a young age, like she really cared
about nothing else, Like she really didn't like from the
time she was six and put on a horse that
was really she had such a connection to that and
it was like there really wasn't time to think about
(33:43):
other things, and like she was just always completely in
it and she still.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Is like to this day.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
And also like I don't know, but we like it's
we just all talk about it because it's just like.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Damn got to be genetic a little bit. It's got
to be something in your DNA that gives you anxiety.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
I feel like I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Well again, as you know, like I'm this is my
my struggles have been with anxiety. You know, it's not
an everyday thing, but you do live with low grade
you know, every now and again, even though I am
on lexapro and I you know, on medication all that,
but there is a genetic component. You know, my mom
when she was twenty four years old, twenty five years old,
(34:24):
which was the exact age when I got struck with anxiety,
and when I say struck, I mean it. I was
going into like a club. My heart felt like it exploded.
I went down to a knee. I thought I was
dying and I didn't understand, don't even know what anxiety was. Yeah,
and my mom had it at the same time. So there.
I don't think you're I don't think you're wrong. I
(34:44):
think there is a genetic component to that for sure.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
That somehow that gene just missed me because I lucky, lucky, I.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
Mean she got I mean so lucky because like I
was on lexipro for like twenty years, I worked beautifully,
Like I didn't even have any low grade anxiety. I
was like yeah, and all of a sudden it stopped
working and oh yeah. And so for the last six
to seven months, I've had like a lot of anxiety.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
So you've only been like vocal about it for the
last like six months or so, or have you talked
about it? Why do you think that would.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Have been in like a freaking cave for six months.
We went on hiatus from the podcast and everything, and
she's just kind of going through it and then just
just surfacing in the past month.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I'd say, oh wow, it's so interesting. So why do
why did you feel like you had not that you
had to hide it awaite because you were obviously you
know you're on shows and you know you're a public person.
And did you just never want to really talk about it?
Speaker 1 (35:49):
No?
Speaker 5 (35:50):
I talked about it the second I came, Like, I
literally truly like it. Just it draws me crazy to
give tabloids and shit like headlines. But like I also
I always want to be honest because I want like
if anything comes out of you know, what I've gone through,
is if I can help other people who go through thing,
(36:12):
then it's great. No, I wasn't functioning enough to even
do the podcast, like was full on like panic attacks,
like NonStop panic and just I've never felt anything like
the anxiety that I felt for like four months solid
of like like like after hell. As soon as I
(36:37):
came out of it and we started podcasting again, I
started talking about it.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yeah, So how did you come out of it?
Speaker 5 (36:45):
Changed medications, which like when I first went on lexapro
and like you, I like was around twenty three when
I first started having anxiety, I went on lexapro and
it just like wiped it out, like it for me,
it was just like I really, I mean, I got
I had like anxiety around traveling and sure, yeah, nothing
(37:07):
like major that I couldn't handle. And I also, for
the last ten years smoked a lot of weed. And
I don't know if this had something to do with it,
but we went on vacation somewhere I could not have weed,
and like three days in I just started having so
much anxiety. Came home, I tried to smoke again and anxiety,
(37:32):
and then just for some reason, had a full long
I call it my anxiety era because I'm telling you
it was like from the moment I woke up till
the time I went to bed, I was just anxious,
and it was like the abilitator.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
How did your anxiety manifest? Because it's so funny, I
had the exact four month stint. This is about two
years ago now. I it was fucking gnarly, and I
had young kids. They weren't young young, but I still
to be a dad, you know. I was mountain biking
and Colorado, going downhilling, like losing my shit on the mountain,
and I would wake up every morning and there'd be
(38:11):
that small moment where I'm like, am I okay? And
then boom, I'm now I'm flooded with I'm.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
Still waking up with anxiety every single morning.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
How does it feel like? Because sometimes it's stomach, sometimes
it's this, sometimes it's you can't breathe, you know, I
mean okay.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
So at first, like the stomach thing was terrible in
the beginning, that has sodded a lot of way, like
a lot of way, and which was really scary for
me because I'm already pretty small person.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
So I was like, very not.
Speaker 5 (38:47):
And then it's more like in my chat like I
just my heart, I just feel it. I'd my sobs,
just feel anxious. So for me, the second my feet
hit the floor in the morning, I go for a
walk like I do, like a long walk, and that
at this point gets it out. And if I stay busy,
(39:12):
I'm okay. Like when I am busy and not focus
on it at all, I'm okay. If I have too
much time on my hands, I'm still kind of in it.
But it's not debilitating.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
At the moment.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Four months it was debilitating.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Mm hmm. I consider myself a pretty strong willed person.
I know what I'm going through. That was the benefit
of having been through it. I know I'm not dying.
I know I'm going to get through it. I know
there is light at the end of this tunnel. I
have to ride it out. I have to keep my
meditations going, I have to keep journaling, I got to
keep working out, I got to keep you know, f
(39:50):
positive affirmations and all of these things. Because that anxiety
is roots and stems from something. You know, there is
a chemical imbalance. I do believe that, but it there.
There is a psychological component to it, so that means
there's a way out. But if I was a weaker
person and I thought this is it, I'm trapped like
(40:11):
this forever. Sorry, I'm not going to keep going.
Speaker 5 (40:14):
It's like, honestly, like I'm the same way. Like they're
like suicide, Like that's just like not an option. Yeah,
there are were days that I would say, like autruly,
like I can't, I can't live like this. But like
if this, like I don't know what I'm gonna do
because I can't.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
And then that perpetuates more anxiety. That's the fucked up
thing about anxiety is that it's at this vicious cycle
because you get anxious about being anxious.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
That's I'm still there.
Speaker 5 (40:49):
Oh, yeah, but again, like I really a lot of
money is when I have addle time, like even on
the weekends. I'm not like, I'm not a big outdoor person,
so like I don't play sports or tennis or hike
do things like that, So weekends are hard for me usually.
(41:10):
But so has yours only happened when you've been off
your lexapro or has yours that happened while if well
on your lexapro? Are you totally fine?
Speaker 2 (41:22):
I'm like you, I have sort of. I can have
low grade anxiety around certain situations, you know, or sometimes
I'll wake up I'm like, fuck, dude, I'm just anxious,
God damn it, you know. But it's not that bedridden,
debilitating like disassociation where I'm like, is life even real
(41:42):
right now? Like I can't even even what's coming out
of my vision doesn't feel like reality, you know. It's
not like that. But my last really, my worst bout
ever again two years ago, was me going trying to
go off of lexic pro, weaning off of it because
I'm like, I think I'm okay. It was just a
bad choice and I did it correctly, but it just
(42:06):
like just devastated me, Like I fucking put me down.
And then I got a job and I'm like, oh
my god, I got to go to Albuquerque to do
this TV show. I can't I can't act like that.
I can't go. I'll I literally cannot work. So I
just went back on, you know.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
And then it evens you completely.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah, yeah, it's even me out.
Speaker 4 (42:30):
You know.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
There's no doubt though that it still pops its heat up.
You know, if I drink too much and have a
decent hangover, that kicks in, you know. I mean, there
are certain times where it flares up, but it hasn't
gotten to that point where it's just you know, gnarly,
gnarally gnarly. But you know, it's I've had three really
(42:51):
bad bouts in my life, and it's probably you know,
it might happen again at some point, you know, but
it's just I think I know how to manage it
a little bit better. Yeah now, but it's still awful,
and I'm glad you're talking about it, and you know,
I think you're right. Even though we know that many, many,
(43:12):
many many people suffer as well, and they know that
people suffer as well, sometimes it's nice to hear that
you're not alone, there's some camaraderie in it, you know,
even with me. Of course, I'm like cerebrally, I know
a lot of people have anxiety, but like if you
and I are talking privately and you're like, oh my god,
I'm fucked up, I'm like, oh my god, I'm sucked
up too, there's a camaraderie there, totally.
Speaker 5 (43:36):
No Honestly, I literally when I saw on your Instagram
you talking about that happening to you a couple of
years ago, I was like, immediately, I was like, oh god, yeah,
like I'm not the only one. Not that you wish
that on someone else to make feels there is this
thing of like, oh, he went through that and he's
(43:58):
on the other side of it.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
That's hopeful.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
You know, maybe you and I should start an anxiety
club called Club Anxiety. Seriously, it's kind of a fucking Grady.
Club Anxiety is kind of a funny name too, because
it sounds like like a dance club.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
I call this my anxiety era.
Speaker 5 (44:16):
Like everybody's talking about the eras to our Taylor, I'm like,
I'm been in my anxiety era. So but yeah, like
I literally I want to talk about it as much
as possible, because honestly, I look and I'm like, Okay,
why have I going through this?
Speaker 3 (44:35):
Why have I gone through this?
Speaker 5 (44:37):
Like if I don't use it to help other people,
then in a way, you know, what's the point, Like
I there's nothing. I just think there's no shame in it.
It's just something that you either happens to you or
it doesn't. And if it does happen, it's fricking hard.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
It's you know, but they're right there. There is that
silver lining to all of and you may not see
it now, but it definitely rears its head in the
best possible way. I mean for me, it was even
with my kid who's now seventeen, when he was in
eighth grade, I kept him home from school for almost
a month because he was going through he had anxiety,
(45:15):
and I just knew what it was. I knew how
to deal with it, you know, luckily for him. Yeah,
and I was able to sort of, you know, have
great conversations with him and give him some tools. So
there was that, and then again and you're you know,
you're in the spotlight, like you're a famous person, like
you have that reach and the amount of people that
(45:38):
I have some come into contact with who have said
to me, you know your story has made me feel better,
or inspired me, or has made me want to seek
help in one way or another. And it feels pretty
fucking great.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
I know, you know totally.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
I wanted this place called the Hoffman Institute, which I've
talked to.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
I've talked a bunch of trying to get her to
go there.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Oh babe, Tish, should I go? It changed my whole shit?
Speaker 3 (46:14):
I'll see, really, yes.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
It changed my shit. It's been six years now. There's
a honeymoon phase. There's no doubt, like when you come
out of it. It's almost like your psychic I was
like icee life totally differently. We get pounded again by life,
and that's normal, but you have this wonderful toolbox to
sort of draw from when you need it. The experience
itself once you surrender to it and once you can
(46:40):
commit to it, which took me two days to do
because I was in my head like these fucking people
are crazy. But I just said, you know what, Oliver,
You're here, go And it was really an amazing experience.
You just learned so much about yourself and you can
break it all down and it's pretty amazing. I mean
(47:00):
I had an incredible experience. Wow, Okay, I would do it.
I would honestly give it a shot. What's your hesitation.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
I don't know. I'm just scared to Like.
Speaker 5 (47:11):
I love my house, I love being like and I'm
at this place where and I have not been like this,
where I have this sphere of being alone and it
is not good, even alone for like a day or two,
like breaks me out.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
So I need to work through that for sure.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
Yeah. Oh, what's the best time when you're the most afraid,
you know, the worst time for in your mind, but
the best time probably to deal with it. Yeah, it's
been amazing. And I'm only to say that because I
talked about on this show. I've talked about it on
talk shows whatever, because you know, it's just a part
of my life and the amount of letters that I
(47:55):
have gotten because in the process, you know, and at
the end, you write a letter to the people who
inspired you to go. And I have hundreds of them,
and it's been like, oh my god. I am an
emotional person just generally, but I cry every time I
read them because it just makes me feel amazing. You know.
Speaker 3 (48:15):
Yeah, so many days did.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
You go seven days. You go up there, no phone,
no nothing. You literally check out. You don't bring books,
you don't bring computers, you don't do anything. You can't run,
you don't want to do yoga, you just want to, like,
don't do anything. That's the idea. They literally say, please
don't masturbate. I'm like, well, but no, you're not allowed.
(48:40):
I'm like, how about just once?
Speaker 3 (48:42):
The thought of setting and my thoughts and doing that
thing is not okay?
Speaker 2 (48:46):
Yeah, I know, I know.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
Yeah that sound hard.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Okay, so real quick podcast, Give it to me. What
are you guys doing, how long you've been doing it?
Give me the whole give me al the deats doing it.
Speaker 4 (48:56):
For a few years, it started out it was called
sorry We're stoned because I love that freaking massive stoner
and so funny.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
Are you still smoking now that you it's killing me?
Speaker 5 (49:08):
I want to, but honestly, I think at this point
rotten now, Like it would just make me more anxious.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
Yeah, because it goes both ways. Sometimes people smoke their
weed to alleviate anxiety.
Speaker 5 (49:22):
To see we can talk forever about this, because like
I want to think if I smoked it would relieve it.
But I'm so afraid it will do the opposite that
now I'm scared to do it. But weed was I
felt like weed was my medicine for a long time.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's mine.
Speaker 5 (49:38):
Yeah, So I like the thought of not smoking weed
ever again, Like I don't I'm praying that's not the
case that I can smoke again and that'd be okay. Yeah,
I just don't know with my anxiety rotten now that
that's probably the best thing. Yeah, it's been seven months
(49:59):
for me and not smoked every day.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
Yeah, you know, and.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
I pray to God I get back there.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
Well, once we connect, we'll get you back.
Speaker 5 (50:12):
So now that I'm not smoking, and for other reasons,
we did a rebrand and now it's called Sorry We're Cyrus,
and we just we kind of just came back and
have just started this this new era of the podcast.
And it's been great because, you know, for a lot
of people that didn't smoke, they it feels more inclusive now,
(50:34):
brands aren't scared of us. So there were a lot
of reasons that I think that it's been a good change.
Speaker 4 (50:41):
Sure, but it's essentially the same podcast. It's always just
been a mother daughter podcast and we you know, talk
about mother daughter dynamics, family dynamics, but also just things
that we have in common. My mom's very passionate about
interior design. We had an interior design show a few
years ago. Definitely do a little design segment in there.
My mom loves giving advice. She's very good at it.
(51:04):
So we have people send in questions and ask for
advice about different things, anything from like relationships to you know,
life advice and everything. And we've been like ramping up
on our guests, like we've had some really cool guests
on and it's cool to almost keep the format loose
kind of. I mean, your format seems so loose to
it's great because then you can just really like loose
their stories and kind of see where the conversation takes you.
(51:26):
And it's been really fun and I feel like it's
been really relatable, and yeah, I'm we're excited to get well.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
It's also cool to work with your mom and you
work with your daughter.
Speaker 5 (51:35):
It's also an opportunity like today to talk about hard
subjects and make people less alone. And like you have
so many people say, oh my god, I love the
podcast because it feels like we're just hanging out with
you guys, and you know you're just like us, and
so it's honestly really rewarding to do.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
Yeah, well cool, it has been great. I appreciate you
know your can and I think it's all important stuff
to talk about. And uh, and and let me know
if you want me to be a guest. I'm down
to come on the podcast.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
Oh that would be amazing. I would love that.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
Yeah, one hundred percent. You can ask me anything, Okay, great, anything. Well,
this is so fun. Thank you guys so much for
coming on. And uh will definitely connect and everyone listening
to this podcast. And I want to come on because
I want to be grilled. I want I want you
guys to grill me.
Speaker 3 (52:27):
Oh I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
I dare you to come up with a question that
I don't answer. How about that? Oh yeah yeah, just
let me know I'm down. Okay, it's good talks, all right, guys.
Speaker 4 (52:39):
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