October 7, 2024 • 57 mins
TV Icon Henry Winkler shares in the revelry with his wife Stacey and daughter Zoe.
The Emmy winner opens up about his home life, his fears about finances, and why he keeps a hard hat in every room of his house!
Plus, what made Zoe cringe during this convo? And why do they have us asking What in the Winkler??
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
We wanted to do something that highlighted our.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are
a sibling. Railvalry.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
No, no, sibling, you don't do that with your mouth, revelry.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
That's good.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
All.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I'm excited about this next. Well, there's three of them.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
There's three these next peeps, right, the Winks, the Winkler,
the Winklers. Before we start, though, uh, I've been working
on a couple of stand up bits.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Oh no, this is.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Well, Oliver. No, I'm not going to do stand.
Speaker 6 (00:58):
Up Wait wait, actually hold on, this is interesting, but okay,
hold on, I need to digest this pirsond Okay, why.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Well, they just float around in my mind and I thought, well,
these are probably interesting stand up bits, like that's the
only reason, wonder if.
Speaker 7 (01:17):
You started doing stand.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Up it's too hard. If I can get enough bits
in my mind, maybe i'll do it like a tight five.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Oh God help us.
Speaker 8 (01:34):
Okay, just real quick, maybe this is where you'll get canceled.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Finally, No, no, no, because this isn't even a dirty one.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
Okay, I'm just saying I'm just saying if you became
a stand up oh yeah, you would definitely at some point.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Probably Well yeah, okay, just go what is it? Give
it to me, okay, or us give it to.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
All of them?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, so okay, Apple m innovations of Apple right. One
of the things, of course we all know now is
these Apple memories just pop up onto your phone and
it's supposed to elicit this sort of nostalgic response of
oh my god, do you remember, And it's supposed to
(02:12):
give us joy, when in fact is fucking devastating. It
makes me think that I am old. I look at
these pictures of my children. We're all going to die shortly.
The person who created this was pretty much diabolical, I believe.
And then it's about expanding on that. Okay, like give
(02:33):
it to me, Well, it's just a seed. It's just
a seed. It's a scent. I still have to get
into it. I like this, but but then I'm going
to keep you keep going, like you get specific with it,
you know, like I see something from like two thousand
and one, you know, two thousand and two where I'm
with my son Wilder. Now we's seventeen years old. It
does whatever's in your photos. All of a sudden, this
(02:56):
music comes up and it's like, yeah, we're a man,
but you and it's like, okay, holy shit, I'm gonna die.
And how did I look? And my kids were young
and they all loved me and hate me, and my
son must talk to me. You know, I'm supposed to
feel good right now like you Apple, well mine.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Just it's like all my past relationships.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
That's a good one. That's a good one too, right fail.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Next Tom, like next to Danny, and like all this.
Speaker 6 (03:28):
I was like me and Chris in Paris.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
That's good your relationship.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Oh god, I love it. I love it.
Speaker 7 (03:44):
I'm like different, I like look at I'm like, I
can't believe.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
See my thing is is that I actually look at it.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
Maybe this is a Maybe this is just a brain mechanism,
like a like a function of one's brain chemistry. When
I see it, I see like, wow, I've done so
much in five years.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Oh no, Yeah, I don't look back.
Speaker 7 (04:06):
I don't look back, going like, oh my god, I'm
gonna die. I want to go.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
It hurts, you know what I think? This, you know,
just painful to me.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yeah, I don't. I can't think about.
Speaker 7 (04:25):
It like that.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
It's like, but if you know, you know, I think
the thing is is that if you think too hard
about what was, or if you think too hard about
how like how how insignificant and fast this life really
is in the big scheme of things, it's really so
profoundly sad that you just can't live in that. So
(04:50):
you don't you can't forget it, like just keep going
and love it, you know.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
But it's great for Santa, and it's going, it's it's
it really is moving faster. I mean, as we get older,
shit gets fast. I know you hear that when you're
you're younger, like and you know, just remember it's all
going to move by quickly and.
Speaker 7 (05:11):
You're like, okay, in your twenties and then.
Speaker 8 (05:15):
Ho shit, yeah, I think you.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
I think that one of the tricks is to continuously
do new things.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
All right, let's okay, they're in the waiting room.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I love this, yes, and I love you.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I love you. Let's bring in because they have a
new podcast. We're going to talk about that too, That's right, Okay,
bring them in.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Hey, Hi, we are so happy to be doing this
interview because obviously, for well.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I feel uncomfortable well, let me. It's too close. Zoe
is like across the streets, and it's.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Not Halloween, and it's not all so for all of
the listeners out there, Oliver and Zoe are actually literally
and Zoe and I's sons are best best friends. So
with this is like, this is like a family affair.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Okay.
Speaker 9 (06:12):
And you, Stacey and I have stood on the sideline
of many a football game.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Oh my god, Oh my god, many a football game.
Speaker 9 (06:22):
And before we start, we have to say that we
saw you before the summer, I think just before the
summer on a talk show, sending your song out into
the world.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
Singing, and you founded amazing.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Oh thanks, Henry. Yay?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
He has anyone ever called you Hank?
Speaker 10 (06:46):
You know what?
Speaker 9 (06:47):
I only have one friend named Frank who calls me Hank,
but he's the lead in your boot I call the
lead character and Hank Zipzer Hank. But no one has
ever called me Hank. No except for Frank.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Damn it. I like Hank.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Yeah, that's it. I think I I think we should
start calling you.
Speaker 7 (07:07):
Hank to get a crew cut, and I'll be right back.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Well, Henry, I remember the first time I actually feel
like I met you I was twenty one years old,
and we stayed in the same hotel. And he loved
a suite in this hotel that he used to stay
in New York. And Chris and I, when I was
married to Chris, loved the same room. And I I
(07:38):
think I met you in the lobby. You might not
remember this, but then I but I could. We couldn't
get that room because you were in the room.
Speaker 7 (07:47):
And then the burden happened again. Of course we don't
stay at that hotel anymore, none of us, do you.
That room is yours?
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Okay, got it? But it was so, it was so
it was, and I I met you in the lobby
and we talked about the room, which was I think
the first time I had really ever talked to you
like that.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
And what do we know with hotels?
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I forget what the name it was on Park Regions.
It was the Regency, a lovely hotel. Yes, is it
still there now?
Speaker 7 (08:20):
It's now called the Lows or something. Oh, it's true.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah, Henry and Stacy, you met. You met in nineteen
seventy six in Beverly Hills.
Speaker 7 (08:36):
Where at Jerry Magnin's at that time his very European
boutique Polo. It was Polo no before Polo.
Speaker 9 (08:50):
He opened the Polo store, but it was called Jerry
Magnins and it was very Italian and I made enough
money to buy my own sport code. And Stacey, I thought,
worked there and was happy to see me. And of
course he was the publicist for the storm.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Oh oh and then what was so? What was your
first impression of each other?
Speaker 7 (09:18):
Says?
Speaker 5 (09:19):
You know what, My oldest son, Jed loved him like
a lunatic and had Henry and the six million dollar
Man on his fourth birthday cake that June. And this
(09:40):
was in August, so I definitely knew who he was
and he was adorable, it was cute, sexy. Oh well
he was also to sport jackets. Yes, I'm sure he
was sexy.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Well how did how did this turn into a date?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (10:01):
Because when I went back the next week after it
was fitted, Stacy was there again and I thought, look,
she's there again.
Speaker 7 (10:09):
She knew I was coming.
Speaker 9 (10:11):
Then I found out she worked there, and I said,
do you want to go for a soda? And we
walked across the street to a Silver place because I
needed to buy a gift for somebody. I knew in
high school was getting married and she said, I'm not
a gift service. And I said, I understand. They said
(10:34):
the Beverly Wilshire Hotel and had a soda and I said,
would you like to see my new house?
Speaker 7 (10:40):
I had no one to show it to.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
M good mode.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Well that was fat good move.
Speaker 7 (10:45):
Yeah, thank you? I no, no, no. She called her
mom and said, this is where I'm going.
Speaker 9 (10:51):
If anything happens to me, you know where I am.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
It was the seventies.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, and how is the how is the house? Did it?
I mean with Henry a gentleman?
Speaker 8 (11:06):
Or was he totally? It was? It was very nice.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
We had a good time and I had to leave
because I had a date that night.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
He was very actually surprised that once there I was leaving.
But we had a really good time. We got on
well together and and and it was lovely.
Speaker 8 (11:37):
He was a total gentleman.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
How long did you date until you were like a couple?
Tell the story.
Speaker 7 (11:44):
About what happened that dad kept calling you.
Speaker 8 (11:47):
I didn't know Daddy was calling me.
Speaker 9 (11:50):
Okay, So we talked about Huey Lewis in the news. Yes,
and a book that Stacy saw I should buy ordinary People.
Speaker 7 (12:02):
And at that time I didn't I couldn't.
Speaker 9 (12:05):
Even conceive of being a producer. But the next morning
I was going to brunch at friend's house down the street.
I went up to my car, I opened the car door,
and there on my front seat was ordinary People and
Vinyl Huey lewis in the news. How did she get
into my garage?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
How did you get into the garage?
Speaker 5 (12:30):
Very bizarre? My clicker when I his gate was locked
and I didn't want to get busted and come down
the stairs, but so I was trying to fit it
under it didn't fit, and by some stroke of insanity,
(12:55):
I pushed my gate opener and it opened.
Speaker 8 (12:59):
The Wow, no idea.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
That's like, that's like a metaphor.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
I know everything.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Forty six years Yeah, and I and I put it
and his car also was unlocked, and I put it
on the front seat and then got out really fast.
Speaker 9 (13:20):
So I went to my friend's house, and I then
had her phone number from the conversation before the day
the day before, and I called her to thank her,
and then, being a little OCD, I called her again.
And I called her every ten minutes for twenty four hours.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
And it worked it worked.
Speaker 7 (13:44):
Finally she put the phone back on the car.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
She took her Oh my gosh. By that time, they
were Yeah, so, how long how long did were you
dating before you made love?
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Oliver?
Speaker 8 (13:58):
You're not so Rice?
Speaker 3 (14:00):
What I know?
Speaker 7 (14:02):
Oliver?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
What it's a it's a natural question.
Speaker 8 (14:06):
It's a natural question.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Of course, it's a natural question.
Speaker 7 (14:11):
Natural answer. Yeah, I'm not sure.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
I'm okay, so forty definitely not on our first date,
for sure.
Speaker 10 (14:23):
No, not like my wife first, don't want anybody in
our family, but we know our family is our family
is like let's just get it over us.
Speaker 8 (14:33):
Yes, I like that philosophy.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
But no, and see if this really works, must have
been this second, now it be the third.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Maybe physically it's like I physically can What about.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
You and Rob Zoughie? How long before.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
This is Listen? This was a bad idea, you guys,
we should stop the interview now, don't tell me so, yeah,
my heart, I have even.
Speaker 7 (15:02):
Featured my daughter making laws.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
This is my favorite interview ever. Okay, I'm gonna button
this out. Okay, forty six years later, Yes, what's the
secret for you, guys?
Speaker 7 (15:32):
I say, will.
Speaker 9 (15:36):
Love and really listening, being able to hear the other person,
which I happen tune out, which she happens to be
great at.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
No.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
But I think it's almost there's a respect to the
tune out. It's like, all right, this is how you
need to cope, and I can respect that. You know,
communication obviously is the big one. But look, you can't
go forty six years without the ups and the downs.
Our parents have been together for forty years and it's
been great. It's also been crazy. It's been great, it's
been crazy, Yes, exactly, just how that's how it is.
Speaker 8 (16:16):
I mean, the way it is. That's a relationships real life.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
That's real life exactly.
Speaker 7 (16:21):
I just want to say. On the.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
I also must imagine that the relationship shifts, like the
pendulum kind of shifts as sort of the season of
your Oliver hates when that seasons of your life.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Well, it's like a hip thing. Yeah, it's like what
season are you in right now?
Speaker 3 (16:46):
But I don't But but let me say the chapters
of like you know, when you first meet, then when
you start to when you have your first child, then
when you're in the thick of it with adult children,
then when you're a grandparent. You know, it's sort of
like with that must come shifts for.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
You both, but also with the fact that, let's be honest,
Henry is an actor. So it's not like he is
a person who was working nine to five every day
(17:27):
with something that you know, he went to school to
do and it's a sure thing. Not that Okay, in life,
nothing is ever a sure thing.
Speaker 8 (17:39):
But but so.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
Depending and I think you maybe maybe you wouldn't, but
it seems that.
Speaker 8 (17:50):
The season.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Obviously can be interchanged with the work, the job, the
feeling validated, the feeling of success of all of all
of the above, and probably with anybody, it can.
Speaker 9 (18:16):
Be anybody that. But I would also tell you that
it is true. What I found out about me in
a relationship specifically, was about nine years ago. I started therapy,
and my season all of a sudden became richer and
(18:41):
more a vibrant.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
You know this is yeah, yeah, I love these sort
of therapy nine years ago. I mean, that's interesting.
Speaker 7 (18:51):
It started me when I was seven.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
No, I know, Zoe, you and I are on we've
you know, we've been on like soapro, we've been on
all it, that's what we are. But nine years ago,
so you know, you don't have to answer this question.
But you know, obviously your PERSONA Henry is just the
most joyful, most sort of you know, excitable Jois de
(19:14):
vs kind of a guy. Right, Obviously we all have
our darkness, There's no doubt about that. But why nine
years ago did you feel like you needed therapy?
Speaker 7 (19:24):
You know what?
Speaker 9 (19:25):
Nine years ago, I I came to a place where
I was just in a in a confusion. Before therapy,
I see, this is my metaphor. I see the bottom
of my brain Stoddard shut like the top of an
(19:48):
oil can. So you know when you you pour cream
into coffee and it swirls and makes a different color.
Nothing up here swirl into down here. And with therapy,
I was able to fry that lid off and finally
(20:10):
enjoy a cream. Mmmm.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
I love it. That's a great thing to meditate on.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Actually it is.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
All the actors in the room are like, I love that.
My mom and I are like, did he.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Just say it's a great visual?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
I love it.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
I know what I said.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
I love it. No, I really understand.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Yeah, no, I do too. And it's and it shifted you.
I mean, it's changed you.
Speaker 9 (20:42):
I you can ask Stacy, ask my entire family I
am a different human.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Being, really amazing.
Speaker 7 (20:50):
I am the human being I thought of being that
I could not be.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
It just made you better all around.
Speaker 9 (20:58):
You know, I saw myself was a block of Swiss cheese,
and I'm trying to become cheddar with no.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah, I know, I don't. I don't like Swiss cheese.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I love Swiss cheese.
Speaker 7 (21:10):
About me. When I was going to many things.
Speaker 9 (21:15):
Oh oh, oh h, zoe was like a cupcake, you know,
when you're baking and you put the toothpick in, make
sure that it's done. You were constantly in baking mode.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
It was always Zoey.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
So when did you go to Like, how old were
you really when you started going to thera?
Speaker 7 (21:43):
I wasn't joking. I was maybe younger than seven.
Speaker 8 (21:46):
It was no, for goodness sake, I was naughty yet.
Speaker 11 (21:50):
I was in first grade and I think I was six.
Philip Berkowitz not so. No, it was then teens.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
But just from a parenting standpoint, because we you know,
we have kids and you know, varying ages.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Obviously, there was an earthquake ninety four, It was.
Speaker 11 (22:13):
Not ninety four. Was one before that? So I was seven,
So it was nineteen eighty.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
Seven eighty eight.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I remember that, and I would not come out.
Speaker 11 (22:20):
From underneath the table, and at all times insisted because
I had heard that if you drive around, you don't
feel it. So my our nanny at the time, would
drive me around the neighborhood and anytime we would stop
would be.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
Like, no, got to keep driving or get at table.
Speaker 11 (22:37):
And I think at that point they were like, holy shit,
that's happening.
Speaker 7 (22:41):
It is so scary.
Speaker 12 (22:43):
It's so scary, so scary, and it is one I
have to say, it is one of my biggest fears
living here in California.
Speaker 11 (22:54):
It's going to happen, and that's so unsettling for someone
that's already anxious. Is like that lack of control.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Right, Yeah, Well, I actually have a question about that,
because you know, I've in my twenties I had gnarly
anxiety attack at panic and it's sort of extended through
my life, you know, and it's manageable, it's not debilitating.
It can be at times. I am on medication for it.
There is a genetic component to anxiety as well, as
(23:22):
my mom had it in her twenties and then Wilder,
my oldest he it was only like three weeks or
a month, but I had to pull him out of
school because he said, I don't feel real and you know,
I all of the symptoms of anxiety. Lucky for him,
I knew what he was going through, so I was
sort of shepherd him through it, you know.
Speaker 8 (23:44):
And I'm just curious lucky.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, and I'm curious about you guys, you know, especially
being a different time, mental health right now is definitely
at the forefront of everyone's minds.
Speaker 9 (23:55):
It's not just mental health. I grew up in New
York City with very out of touch and I don't
know what you would even call them parents. So I
promise I would be a different parent. And whether you
(24:15):
know what it is, whether you're in touch with your
own genetic makeup or not, you see your child and
if you really look at them, you can see there
is a problem. If there is a problem, even if
you don't know what it is, you can help make
that child more comfortable until you figure out the problem.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah, but how did you deal with a child who
is having anxiety? Even even with.
Speaker 11 (24:44):
Max Room when I was having anxiety attacks, they just
locked the door and leave.
Speaker 7 (24:48):
What I'm just kidding, I will tell you.
Speaker 8 (24:52):
We tied you up.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
And then we made.
Speaker 9 (24:56):
As parents, we made a mistake because we because so
we had a problem concentrating on focusing. We gave her
medicine and we gave her medicine that at the end
of the day when it started to wear off, made
her just so uncomfortable that she just couldn't live in
(25:17):
her own skin. Did the stay with Max because at
the time we thought we were doing the right thing.
And do we want our children or do we want
focus in good grades with the children?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's a struggle because it changed,
they did.
Speaker 8 (25:38):
The color left their face.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Really also a different time.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
It was a riddlin.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
I mean, it wasn't lad enough, the corn a little
bit they were they were, it was they were so
subdued that it was bizarre. It grew and this is
what we were told to do by several doctors. But
(26:04):
it was literally just as Henry said it was, you know,
because they were wonderful kids. But when I have always
had anxiety, but I never took medication as a kid.
I just always kind of thought I was crazy because
(26:28):
it didn't feel like anybody else and the family did
have that.
Speaker 8 (26:34):
Now, of course.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
I know that everyone was paralyzed living in our house.
But at the time you just feel a little insane.
It's a terrible feeling. It's debilitating. You can go about
your business, but it's so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Mm hmm. Yeah. And where are you at with that, Stacy?
Do you still suffer from anxiety?
Speaker 8 (27:00):
No?
Speaker 5 (27:01):
I yes, I am an anxious person. I'm emotional. I
am a what if kind of person.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
I know somebody like that too, who's true sitting next
to your husband?
Speaker 8 (27:20):
Yes, yes, I'm better, but I still I still.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
I was that person who thought, well, if things are
going so well, there must be something horrible. Yeah, from
the corner, because this is not normal. It's too good
right now.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Oh my god. I have that, Aaron, my wife has
that more than I do. But I feel that too.
Someone's like, it's too good, something bad has gotten to happen.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
It's terraever induce my mind.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
It's a mind that's so interesting. Henry just said, never
enters my mind. That's like my mother, my mother, it
just doesn't. It's just yeah, and.
Speaker 8 (28:11):
Does not have that.
Speaker 11 (28:13):
He only has anxiety about germs and money and money,
which is so fucked.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
In him. She was also a grand larcenist.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Thief.
Speaker 8 (28:30):
He told me who was the thief? Me?
Speaker 11 (28:33):
When I use his credit cardent Ron Herman friend segall Juliana.
Speaker 7 (28:37):
Not use it, abuse it.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Okay. So there's there's three kids. There's there's uh Jad
who's the and Zoe and Max. And when you met Stacy?
How old was job for and Stacy? When did you
think it was appropriate to introduce him to Henry?
Speaker 7 (29:12):
Like?
Speaker 3 (29:13):
What was it? What was that?
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Like?
Speaker 7 (29:16):
You know what?
Speaker 5 (29:16):
My parents were out of the country and we were
staying at their house like house sitting and Henry came
to pick me up like a date would come to
pick up. It wasn't like a relationship or anything.
Speaker 7 (29:37):
And and we went to the movies.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
We went to the movies and I I introduced, I
mean and and maybe it was because when I said,
I said to him, guess who I'm going out with?
And it was, you know, his birthday cake person. He
(30:03):
opened the front door and said, FANSI and Henry, who
was at the time extremely serious. What did you say,
honey when Jenny I.
Speaker 9 (30:17):
Was panicked at the time about being type cast, so
I would do nothing Phonsie off of the show. I
was Henry and that was my character. He opened the door.
I looked down this little guy. I said, my name
is Henry. Would you like it if I called you Ralph?
Speaker 8 (30:41):
And then of course he went into therapy.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Yeah, oh my god, Oh you you're so concerned.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Oh no, not a four year old. You didn't want
to be typecast.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Now I know you went into therapy nine years nine
years ago. So okay, So you basically met Jeb right away,
and then how long was it until you were living together?
How old was how long?
Speaker 7 (31:13):
How long was that that was?
Speaker 8 (31:15):
I think a year? A year later.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
We were living together, and that was like a major
thing because I was very nervous about that, about the
fact that it wasn't going to kind of feel as permanent.
(31:41):
But I mean, I believe that it was that we
would The first date that we went on, my parents,
as I said, were away and I wrote down that
this was who I was going to marry it on
a little piece of paper and folded it and put
it in my mother's jewelry box. I really felt that,
(32:05):
but I I it was a bigger deal with the
child to live together. That was that was a big
commitment mm hmm. But you know, fortunately it worked, but
it was a big.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Deal when you wrote that and put it in the
When you wrote that down, what were the things about
Henry that you knew that this was the guy?
Speaker 8 (32:31):
Like?
Speaker 2 (32:32):
What was what was like, Oh, this is the guy.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
What's very funny is that being born and raised here
and growing up here, everybody knew that you don't necessarily
go out with or expect a relationship with someone who
(32:56):
was in the entertainment business.
Speaker 8 (33:00):
I was taken with was that he just.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Felt more normal than anyone that I had ever met.
He just felt normal. He had a great sensibility, he
had a what a terrific demeanor, He felt calm and
(33:26):
laid back, and I just it just felt like, Wow,
this is someone really special.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
At the time was Happy Days? Was that was it on?
Speaker 8 (33:42):
Oh? Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
It was in its.
Speaker 5 (33:47):
Second year, But I like, for instance, we went to
the movies and Henry said, I think I think we
should in the back and I said why and he said,
I'm just Oh. As we were on our way to
the movies, someone waved in the car and Henry waved
(34:12):
back and I said, who is that? And he was
so surprised, He had no idea who was that? Was
the kind of thing that, as I got to know him,
became a reality that was nowhere close to a reality.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Well, and Happy Days was so huge, and you were
the I mean you're the Fox.
Speaker 13 (34:34):
I mean I was like the one of the biggest,
biggest characters in everybody's home for years and years and years,
you know, one of the great loved What a joy
that you got to experience.
Speaker 7 (34:48):
It was a joy for me to play him.
Speaker 9 (34:50):
Yeah, for me to be with those people who are
still family, they're yeah, very very close to But when
we went to the movies, I said, you know, I
think it would be better if we sat in the back.
And Stacey said why And I said, I don't know
how to describe it to you, just I think it
would be better if we sat in the back. She
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went why, And I wasn't okay, And we sat in the middle,
and the entire theater stood up and came over to
say hello.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (35:20):
She looked at me and she went, oh.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Henry, what was your first gig after Happy Days? Because
you I totally get it, Like, of course you love it.
You owe everything to the funds, right, but at the
same time you're like, holy shit, fuck the fawns. I mean,
I've got to get out of this.
Speaker 9 (35:40):
Yeah, But you know what I all I thought about
was I need to get another job, not get out
of it, because I had so much fun, but I
couldn't get hired right and I had I literally had
psychic pain. I was sitting at my desk in my
(36:00):
office at Paramount and I was paralyzed because I didn't
know what do I do? Will it be as powerful
as the funds? Will I ever be hired again? And
my lawyer, Skip Brittenham, said, I'm going to make you
a production company and I said, well, I'm so dyslexic.
(36:20):
I can't do that. And here's the lesson. You don't
know what you can do until you try. Because the
first show somebody came in, I went, oh my gosh,
I like that a lot. And my partner at the
time was a man named John Rich And the first
show we sold was Macgiver Really Wow.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
And then if you've been producing, that started producing career.
Speaker 7 (36:49):
That started it.
Speaker 9 (36:49):
Then we did a show called Sightings for seven years,
which was all things paranormal. We went all over the
world and either broke a myth or looked at something
that people were talking about on whether it was true
or not on a show called Sightings.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
And then what about acting? What was your gig after.
Speaker 9 (37:13):
Ard really hard? I did a television movie and eight
years later that was called Absolute Strangers, which is when
I started to really act again. And then it took
me a long time, you know Adam Sandler.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Movies, Yeah, water Boy right right.
Speaker 10 (37:36):
Then.
Speaker 7 (37:38):
Arrested Development, yeah right, and then Scream Yeah.
Speaker 9 (37:44):
Then, you know, so slowly I worked my way back.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
And then and then Barry, Barry, what a blessing Barry.
Speaker 7 (37:55):
I'm knocking Wood.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
I mean, you were so fucking great. I I'm not
just saying that I loved it so much. I loved
that show so much. I thought it was just an
amazing show. Just tonally. You know how you can sort of,
you know, marry those two tones.
Speaker 7 (38:10):
That's all Bill and Alex.
Speaker 9 (38:13):
When you do a television show, when you do anything,
you need the people who are running it to have
a point of view. And then in that point of view,
in the structure, comes your freedom.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
So real quickly, going back to your anxieties, which is
finance and germs. Okay, you know you play the phones,
so you you have some financial freedom from that, but
that's not going to sustain you right then, because it's
so hard to get an acting gig or to find
your way in that world. You're now a producer. I
actually am producing now. I have a deal with Fox
(38:47):
and it's really really fun from a creative place, But
the only way you're going to make money is if
that show actually goes. That's exactly produced. So were you
financially strained for a while?
Speaker 7 (38:59):
In my mind? And I am always financially.
Speaker 12 (39:03):
So I feel I'm not kidding I I am relaxing
a little bit.
Speaker 9 (39:11):
But now with my partner, I have written forty children's novels,
Aren't News.
Speaker 7 (39:18):
One comes out in October.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Amazing.
Speaker 9 (39:22):
That was a time filler and it became another profession.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
But it's also Henry. It is who you are because
you reinvent in all these different areas. It's an amazing
quality because you can't bear to be still.
Speaker 7 (39:45):
His work ethic is the craziest thing I've I.
Speaker 8 (39:47):
Mean beyond, I don't really beyond beyond.
Speaker 7 (39:53):
Follow?
Speaker 3 (39:55):
May I ask Zoe as you sit there and you
know I can't help but think, like, what do you
ever feel the pressure of like what your parents have done?
As like the matriarch and patriarch as the family and
being together. I mean, you have a You've had a
(40:16):
very long relationship with your husband. You guys are solid
and awesome and great, but like, just sometimes does it
ever feel like hard to live up to?
Speaker 11 (40:26):
First of all, I have to be amazing, so I
already I feel like everyone I live up to it.
Speaker 7 (40:31):
But no, I swear, and I think it's because of
the way they raised us. I really do. And also
I didn't go into.
Speaker 11 (40:36):
That business, so I think that that's something I followed
my mom's footsteps, and that my mom, you know, started
two nonprofits and you know, worked on the Commission under
Clinton and did all of this amazing stuff.
Speaker 7 (40:50):
So I followed in her footsteps. But I never wanted
to be an actress ever. Ever. Ever, I almost made.
Speaker 11 (40:57):
A mistake when I was offered the Bachelorette and I
said yes, and then my dad was like, no, she
won't do that, and then I, like, you.
Speaker 7 (41:04):
Know, I.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Would have given anything to see that.
Speaker 11 (41:09):
It's do a show with Kim Kardashian and Sarah Howard
called Quarter Life Crisis.
Speaker 7 (41:14):
The producer flew out.
Speaker 11 (41:15):
Here, not Hannah, and I shot the sizzle reel and
then my dad said, please come to our house.
Speaker 7 (41:22):
I'd like to meet you.
Speaker 11 (41:22):
And my dad said, please go inside, and I went
inside and I came back out and Matt Hanna said, Okay,
I gues we're all done.
Speaker 7 (41:27):
I guess you're not doing the show. And I was like,
what do you mean?
Speaker 11 (41:29):
And my Dad's like, So my parents protected me in
that way because I think that that would have been
such a disaster. But I feel no pressure ever. I
feel only pride in them. I do want to say,
I think sometimes like for Max, my brother was a
director and a writer.
Speaker 7 (41:47):
Who told us that he was going to do that
at ten.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (41:50):
And by the way, when my dad was auditioning for Barry,
he ran all the lines with Max, and Max tell it.
I really feel like I could see like him feeling
pressure maybe, and he doesn't either, And I think that
that's because, like my parents always told us, from the
time we could understand, like you can do and be
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anything you can. You know, like it was always like
we were. They were very very strict, but we could
have any conversation with them. If you tell the truth,
you never get in trouble. And they never made us
feel like you know, my dad's life was very much
like it wasn't it was because of the work that
he did. It had nothing to do with us, and
it wasn't ours and we never took it on really,
(42:31):
I mean I would use it.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
What about emotionally? What about in terms of their relationship
like your mom and dad being together for forty six years?
And I mean that.
Speaker 11 (42:40):
I feel like I think I had like such a
beautiful model and I'm so grateful. And my husband's family
same thing, you know, high school, see arts, they've been married,
and I feel I feel very lucky, like I but
I am so close to my parents that you know,
when I have a fight with my husband, I call
them crying and I'm like, you know, I'm so angry,
(43:01):
and you know, like.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
How many times a day do you call them?
Speaker 11 (43:06):
Not that I'm very reactive, and so I feel like,
you know, it's like a very good but I don't.
I feel like they've shown they've set a bar. But
I feel like when even if I've made mistakes, they've
never made me feel shame about.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
What are the things that you take from being raised
by them that you implement in your family with your Children's.
Speaker 11 (43:40):
Question, Highness like that comes first. The mental well being
of my children and their ability. They're like that is
before grades, before anything else. Treating people with respect, being
kind to everyone. Nobody is better than you, and also
you're not better than anyone. And family dinners. We sat down,
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you know, Monday through Thursday, we had dinner together, and
that's something we do giving back that my kids can,
you know, talk to me about anything. It doesn't mean
that I'm necessarily going to change my mind, but i
want them to always feel And I've always said to
my kids, if you tell the truth, you won't get
in trouble.
Speaker 7 (44:19):
I mean so many things, so many things that I you.
Speaker 9 (44:22):
Know, and Zoe is very close also with Stacy, and
they are very funny together, and so they're going to
try and do this wonderful podcast together.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
That's we were going to get into that, which is.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Yeah, no, it's so great. Even watching your you know,
stories and your all your Instagram stuff, it's almost a
natural progression into an actual plod unst you're.
Speaker 7 (44:49):
The one who's being filmed.
Speaker 11 (44:53):
I like to be like the dark horse, like I'm
actually the comedic genius in the family and the director
because all my stories are.
Speaker 5 (45:03):
Our house was not like you know, Saint Mary's. It
was we were all doing the best we could. So
it was that our kids also saw that we blew it.
Many times we would be over reactive. We would you know,
(45:25):
go to your grounded or whatever it was.
Speaker 11 (45:28):
And they would have disagreements, which I think is like
the best thing because I saw that, like you can
fight and.
Speaker 7 (45:34):
And the world isn't going to end, you know.
Speaker 11 (45:35):
She would have disagreements and there would and so my
dad would mediate the disagreements between my mom and I.
He would sit in the middle in their bedroom. He
would sit here, she would sit in the bed, and
he would sit on the chf's lounge and you would
he would be like, I think what you're trying to say,
you know, and my mom and I would just like, oh.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
My god, that would never happen in our family.
Speaker 8 (45:58):
It barely did in ours.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
So, but your podcast is on iHeart on on our
lovely iHeart Radio and it's called What in the Winkler.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Released October thirtieth.
Speaker 13 (46:11):
October thirtieth, my birthday birthday, that's your birthday.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
Yeah, oh was that on purpose?
Speaker 11 (46:19):
I wanted it to be called Seeing Red because my
mom and I are both redheads and super fiery.
Speaker 8 (46:24):
I like that.
Speaker 7 (46:25):
I know.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
We like What in the Winkler too, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
What in the Winkler's cute?
Speaker 2 (46:30):
I like it. It's cute, it's cute. I love seeing
Red is a great title though, for what nobody saw.
Speaker 11 (46:36):
Hollie Meyershire actually came up with What in the Winkler
Nancy Meyer's daughter.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
Oh wow, So why did you want to start a podcast?
Speaker 8 (46:44):
Well?
Speaker 11 (46:44):
People, so some people saw my Instagram and they were like,
this is so funny.
Speaker 7 (46:48):
You should do a show, you know, you should a
reality show.
Speaker 11 (46:50):
And it didn't really like that wasn't really like comfortable
for any of us.
Speaker 7 (46:55):
So we were thinking, like how could we do it?
Speaker 11 (46:58):
And then my mom and I and our relationship has
had so many different seasons.
Speaker 5 (47:07):
Seasons, multi season.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
Listen, Oliver, just get with the new seasons.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
It's the season buzz thing been around like like no,
like two years.
Speaker 11 (47:23):
Literally, actually just said this to Rob about like our
relationship and like how we have three young kids and
we're just like so in it right now and this
is the season.
Speaker 7 (47:30):
And he was like, where the fuck did you hear that?
I know, and I thought it was great.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
I kind of like it because I mean it's look,
it's a good it's a good way to communicate a
change in direction or energy.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
But you can have a season like three, three seasons
in a day. You can go through.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
Yeah, yeah, and maybe I will.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
That's that's what I'm saying. But a season, it says,
it's like, oh, there's a period of time as a season,
but we don't exist seasons come back saying Zoe is
you can be you can be in a season this
season today, and your season is shifted tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (48:14):
No one has there's seasons don't have a time limit.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
Yes, but it's also like, how do you have a
time limit that's not around three to four months?
Speaker 3 (48:23):
But you're you're creating. That's not how you speak of it.
Speaker 11 (48:26):
It's more just like it's more just like a broader
you gotta got to look beyond.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
I think he knows. He just hates.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
I think it's wrong. It doesn't It kind of takes
it makes no sense.
Speaker 5 (48:36):
Well, we have also been known to have three or
four seasons within an hour's time exact, So I get
I get where you're both coming from. But it's a
nice definition.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
What things do you want to tackle in the podcast,
like what what are you excited about getting into?
Speaker 11 (48:59):
Like for me and for my mom, I think it's
such an amazing thing that we get to have this
memory together and that we get to sit we talk,
we talk. I sit in that in her dressing room
which you see behind her, and we just talk. And
that's where we all come My dad comes in there,
my brothers come in there, we all come in, the wives,
the husbands, the kids, and we just sort of like
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talk in there.
Speaker 7 (49:22):
And I think we have.
Speaker 11 (49:26):
The ability to be really honest with each other and
so our life and I think you guys can relate
to this was bizarre and also normal and also you know, wild.
And I think people always ask like, what was it
like having you know? And I think my answer was
always like, oh, what's it like having your dad?
Speaker 7 (49:46):
Is your dad?
Speaker 3 (49:47):
You know?
Speaker 11 (49:47):
And then I realized that maybe that wasn't like the
nicest way to respond, because I.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
Was Zobe, Actually were you were you? Did you embrace
your dad being famous? Or was it were.
Speaker 7 (49:58):
For her?
Speaker 2 (50:00):
Oh really like a garden tools to really yeah, clubs.
Speaker 7 (50:06):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 11 (50:06):
But then when somebody like when I would be in
the middle of a conversation. Someone would come up to
him and I'd be like, oh, and he would be
like watch your mouth, like how do you think you
get to you know?
Speaker 8 (50:16):
You know?
Speaker 7 (50:17):
And so I But yeah, I loved it, I very much.
I didn't. I mean I when I went.
Speaker 11 (50:23):
To college, I hated it and that I felt like,
you have this thing where like everybody knows you, but
you don't know everybody because everyone like you're going to
be this way, and then you spent I spent all
this time proving I was some other way that it
was almost like about it.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
Well, what about you? STA's like, wow, what do you
want to get out of this? What do you love
about it?
Speaker 3 (50:42):
You know what?
Speaker 5 (50:44):
To be utterly totally honest, I really have not gone there.
I love the fact that I get to have this
time with so she that's it makes me laugh so hard.
(51:04):
And I just take each thing kind of as it comes.
I don't want to overthink it because it feels like
I don't want to take it so seriously. I think,
whatever is the situation, somehow it will evolve or it won't.
Speaker 8 (51:28):
But I love right now just having.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
I get that. I totally get that, because you know,
we've been doing this for years now. We love talking
to you guys. We love talking to our various guests.
But I think the greatest gift of the podcast, other
than the small amount of money that I get to survive,
it's about having time with Kate and having an hour
or two hours or however long it is to sort
(51:54):
of converse, to talk to people, to learn even more
about each other than we didn't know. I think the
great angle for you guys is the mother daughter thing
as well. I mean, I think that's an important relationship
talks hearing how authentic and how candid you guys are
about your life.
Speaker 3 (52:11):
Yeah, and how you're like, especially when it comes to
raising kids and raising kids and environments that can be challenging,
or keeping your kids, you know, grounded. Also talking about
all the work that you do, all of the important
work that you're doing. I think it's going to be wonderful.
I can't wait to listen.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Yeah, and then just throw your dad under the bus
for some headlines.
Speaker 3 (52:35):
Related has to make a He has to have his
own little section. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
It's called wink wink. And that's when Dad comes in.
Wink wink, wink wink and then Dad comes in to
give a little like truth serum.
Speaker 3 (52:49):
Right, hold on, let's ask wink wink.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
Or how about wink wink is a segment of he's
telling either a true story about his life or it's
may or he's made and you have to guess.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
And sure, Oliver is filled with ideas.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
I got ideas.
Speaker 11 (53:02):
Kids are obsessed with Ollie. Like they just show up
and they're like, any bikes that we could ride, any
any ramps, any.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
Oh my god, I love my garage. They said they
have my bike for years they have it now. I think, right, yeah,
you have my bike. He's like, so I know, and
then giving Max a shout out. Though Max is directing
a cool movie, right.
Speaker 7 (53:24):
No, he is.
Speaker 9 (53:25):
He's been running a television show show and he did
American horror stories.
Speaker 7 (53:31):
Yeah, he in Feud.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
That's right. Ryan Murphy's not the Uh.
Speaker 9 (53:37):
Oh he works for Ryan a lot and now and
and pretty soon.
Speaker 7 (53:42):
Oh.
Speaker 9 (53:43):
He he directed Javier Bardem, that's it. And then Javier
Bardem invited him for dinner and I said, can I drive,
I'll wear hats, I'll ring the bell.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
That's cool. He's killing it, you know.
Speaker 7 (54:06):
Whatever his name is, he's a really good actor.
Speaker 3 (54:11):
Oh, that's so nice to hear. That's great. He's been
working so hard at it for so long. He deserves that.
That's so awesome. Well, I love you guys. This is
so great. And October thirtieth.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
What a winkler?
Speaker 3 (54:27):
What is a winkler?
Speaker 2 (54:29):
What in the wink winkler? October thirtieth? Everyone checked that out?
Speaker 3 (54:33):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (54:34):
Are you having guests at all?
Speaker 7 (54:36):
We'll have guests once in a while, I'll have guests.
All right, Well, I want to be only I want
you to be good, lovely conversation.
Speaker 3 (54:43):
This was so much fun.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
It was great.
Speaker 3 (54:46):
I don't have to overcompensate for Oliver because you know him,
but I will apologize for how inappropriate he was in
the beginning.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
Well, Zoe, how long before you and Rob made love?
Speaker 7 (54:58):
Okay, we're done.
Speaker 3 (55:02):
He was in this house.
Speaker 7 (55:03):
Actually, I'm just kidding. I'm set.
Speaker 5 (55:14):
Max, thank you for We love you much.
Speaker 7 (55:19):
Do you think I thank you on Halloween?
Speaker 3 (55:23):
Halloween?
Speaker 2 (55:26):
Oh? So sweet family.
Speaker 7 (55:29):
I know.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
Henry is just the sweetest, the sweetest.
Speaker 3 (55:32):
He's the sweetest man, and.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
I love that he's been nine years ago. He's like,
I'm gonna do therapy, I know, but it's just great.
It speaks to this idea that it's never too late
to get better work on yourself.
Speaker 3 (55:46):
I love his metaphors.
Speaker 2 (55:48):
He loves it. I love the coffee and the cream
on the cupcakes. Yeah, it's always baking. I wanted to
say it. I was like, wet, You're is always moist
or wet. But I didn't I know that really said that.
I didn't say very inappropriate. Stacy said that I didn't
say that.
Speaker 3 (56:05):
I know, I know, but I wasn't even thinking that.
Speaker 2 (56:07):
That's just to show what.
Speaker 3 (56:08):
Your your male the male brain. No, I wasn't thinking
that at all. But now I am.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
Thanks.
Speaker 3 (56:17):
Yes, But honestly, we know them so well. They're a
wonderful family.
Speaker 2 (56:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (56:22):
And uh and really, you know, honestly, Henry and Stacy,
how do He's so wholesome?
Speaker 2 (56:29):
You know?
Speaker 3 (56:30):
But but then when you get to know him, you realize,
you know, he had he's.
Speaker 1 (56:33):
Had such an interesting life and and and as as
time goes on, yeah, I mean, but as time goes on,
he realized, what does the younger generation even.
Speaker 8 (56:43):
Know of happy days?
Speaker 2 (56:45):
Probably not, you know, it's.
Speaker 3 (56:47):
Really our generation, maybe some maligious twenty right gen z,
Like I don't think Ryder knows who the Phsan says
he was such on a novel.
Speaker 7 (56:56):
It was huge, huge, Like it.
Speaker 2 (56:59):
Was like and think about it, there was like three
TV stations back there. Yeah, forty million people watching a TV.
Speaker 3 (57:06):
Show and happy days Gary Marshall. Yeah, Gary Marshall, my man.
Speaker 6 (57:11):
Yeah, if you're in the Gary Marshall family, it's a thing.
Speaker 2 (57:14):
Yeah, he was the best.
Speaker 6 (57:15):
He was such a brilliant man and like such a loving.
Speaker 3 (57:23):
Gary was the best.
Speaker 2 (57:24):
Yeah. Oh, good family. It's funny. They're they're so entertaining. Yes,
they're just nuts. They're all nuts and in the best
possible way, and it's just so fun to watch them.
I knew that's why they started the podcast, because Zoe
would do on on our Instagram, would always have these
funny ass stories with her and her mother. You know.
Speaker 3 (57:45):
Well, I'm excited to see how it translates into the podcast.
I Love You Love
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
We wanted to do something that highlighted our.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are
a sibling. Railvalry.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
No, no, sibling, you don't do that with your mouth, revelry.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
That's good.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
All.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I'm excited about this next. Well, there's three of them.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
There's three these next peeps, right, the Winks, the Winkler,
the Winklers. Before we start, though, uh, I've been working
on a couple of stand up bits.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Oh no, this is.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Well, Oliver. No, I'm not going to do stand.
Speaker 6 (00:58):
Up Wait wait, actually hold on, this is interesting, but okay,
hold on, I need to digest this pirsond Okay, why.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Well, they just float around in my mind and I thought, well,
these are probably interesting stand up bits, like that's the
only reason, wonder if.
Speaker 7 (01:17):
You started doing stand.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Up it's too hard. If I can get enough bits
in my mind, maybe i'll do it like a tight five.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Oh God help us.
Speaker 8 (01:34):
Okay, just real quick, maybe this is where you'll get canceled.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Finally, No, no, no, because this isn't even a dirty one.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
Okay, I'm just saying I'm just saying if you became
a stand up oh yeah, you would definitely at some point.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Probably Well yeah, okay, just go what is it? Give
it to me, okay, or us give it to.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
All of them?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, so okay, Apple m innovations of Apple right. One
of the things, of course we all know now is
these Apple memories just pop up onto your phone and
it's supposed to elicit this sort of nostalgic response of
oh my god, do you remember, And it's supposed to
(02:12):
give us joy, when in fact is fucking devastating. It
makes me think that I am old. I look at
these pictures of my children. We're all going to die shortly.
The person who created this was pretty much diabolical, I believe.
And then it's about expanding on that. Okay, like give
(02:33):
it to me, Well, it's just a seed. It's just
a seed. It's a scent. I still have to get
into it. I like this, but but then I'm going
to keep you keep going, like you get specific with it,
you know, like I see something from like two thousand
and one, you know, two thousand and two where I'm
with my son Wilder. Now we's seventeen years old. It
does whatever's in your photos. All of a sudden, this
(02:56):
music comes up and it's like, yeah, we're a man,
but you and it's like, okay, holy shit, I'm gonna die.
And how did I look? And my kids were young
and they all loved me and hate me, and my
son must talk to me. You know, I'm supposed to
feel good right now like you Apple, well mine.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Just it's like all my past relationships.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
That's a good one. That's a good one too, right fail.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Next Tom, like next to Danny, and like all this.
Speaker 6 (03:28):
I was like me and Chris in Paris.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
That's good your relationship.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Oh god, I love it. I love it.
Speaker 7 (03:44):
I'm like different, I like look at I'm like, I
can't believe.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
See my thing is is that I actually look at it.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
Maybe this is a Maybe this is just a brain mechanism,
like a like a function of one's brain chemistry. When
I see it, I see like, wow, I've done so
much in five years.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Oh no, Yeah, I don't look back.
Speaker 7 (04:06):
I don't look back, going like, oh my god, I'm
gonna die. I want to go.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
It hurts, you know what I think? This, you know,
just painful to me.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yeah, I don't. I can't think about.
Speaker 7 (04:25):
It like that.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
It's like, but if you know, you know, I think
the thing is is that if you think too hard
about what was, or if you think too hard about
how like how how insignificant and fast this life really
is in the big scheme of things, it's really so
profoundly sad that you just can't live in that. So
(04:50):
you don't you can't forget it, like just keep going
and love it, you know.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
But it's great for Santa, and it's going, it's it's
it really is moving faster. I mean, as we get older,
shit gets fast. I know you hear that when you're
you're younger, like and you know, just remember it's all
going to move by quickly and.
Speaker 7 (05:11):
You're like, okay, in your twenties and then.
Speaker 8 (05:15):
Ho shit, yeah, I think you.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
I think that one of the tricks is to continuously
do new things.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
All right, let's okay, they're in the waiting room.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I love this, yes, and I love you.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I love you. Let's bring in because they have a
new podcast. We're going to talk about that too, That's right, Okay,
bring them in.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Hey, Hi, we are so happy to be doing this
interview because obviously, for well.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I feel uncomfortable well, let me. It's too close. Zoe
is like across the streets, and it's.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Not Halloween, and it's not all so for all of
the listeners out there, Oliver and Zoe are actually literally
and Zoe and I's sons are best best friends. So
with this is like, this is like a family affair.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Okay.
Speaker 9 (06:12):
And you, Stacey and I have stood on the sideline
of many a football game.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Oh my god, Oh my god, many a football game.
Speaker 9 (06:22):
And before we start, we have to say that we
saw you before the summer, I think just before the
summer on a talk show, sending your song out into
the world.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
Singing, and you founded amazing.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Oh thanks, Henry. Yay?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
He has anyone ever called you Hank?
Speaker 10 (06:46):
You know what?
Speaker 9 (06:47):
I only have one friend named Frank who calls me Hank,
but he's the lead in your boot I call the
lead character and Hank Zipzer Hank. But no one has
ever called me Hank. No except for Frank.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Damn it. I like Hank.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Yeah, that's it. I think I I think we should
start calling you.
Speaker 7 (07:07):
Hank to get a crew cut, and I'll be right back.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Well, Henry, I remember the first time I actually feel
like I met you I was twenty one years old,
and we stayed in the same hotel. And he loved
a suite in this hotel that he used to stay
in New York. And Chris and I, when I was
married to Chris, loved the same room. And I I
(07:38):
think I met you in the lobby. You might not
remember this, but then I but I could. We couldn't
get that room because you were in the room.
Speaker 7 (07:47):
And then the burden happened again. Of course we don't
stay at that hotel anymore, none of us, do you.
That room is yours?
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Okay, got it? But it was so, it was so
it was, and I I met you in the lobby
and we talked about the room, which was I think
the first time I had really ever talked to you
like that.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
And what do we know with hotels?
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I forget what the name it was on Park Regions.
It was the Regency, a lovely hotel. Yes, is it
still there now?
Speaker 7 (08:20):
It's now called the Lows or something. Oh, it's true.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah, Henry and Stacy, you met. You met in nineteen
seventy six in Beverly Hills.
Speaker 7 (08:36):
Where at Jerry Magnin's at that time his very European
boutique Polo. It was Polo no before Polo.
Speaker 9 (08:50):
He opened the Polo store, but it was called Jerry
Magnins and it was very Italian and I made enough
money to buy my own sport code. And Stacey, I thought,
worked there and was happy to see me. And of
course he was the publicist for the storm.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Oh oh and then what was so? What was your
first impression of each other?
Speaker 7 (09:18):
Says?
Speaker 5 (09:19):
You know what, My oldest son, Jed loved him like
a lunatic and had Henry and the six million dollar
Man on his fourth birthday cake that June. And this
(09:40):
was in August, so I definitely knew who he was
and he was adorable, it was cute, sexy. Oh well
he was also to sport jackets. Yes, I'm sure he
was sexy.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Well how did how did this turn into a date?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (10:01):
Because when I went back the next week after it
was fitted, Stacy was there again and I thought, look,
she's there again.
Speaker 7 (10:09):
She knew I was coming.
Speaker 9 (10:11):
Then I found out she worked there, and I said,
do you want to go for a soda? And we
walked across the street to a Silver place because I
needed to buy a gift for somebody. I knew in
high school was getting married and she said, I'm not
a gift service. And I said, I understand. They said
(10:34):
the Beverly Wilshire Hotel and had a soda and I said,
would you like to see my new house?
Speaker 7 (10:40):
I had no one to show it to.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
M good mode.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Well that was fat good move.
Speaker 7 (10:45):
Yeah, thank you? I no, no, no. She called her
mom and said, this is where I'm going.
Speaker 9 (10:51):
If anything happens to me, you know where I am.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
It was the seventies.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, and how is the how is the house? Did it?
I mean with Henry a gentleman?
Speaker 8 (11:06):
Or was he totally? It was? It was very nice.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
We had a good time and I had to leave
because I had a date that night.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
He was very actually surprised that once there I was leaving.
But we had a really good time. We got on
well together and and and it was lovely.
Speaker 8 (11:37):
He was a total gentleman.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
How long did you date until you were like a couple?
Tell the story.
Speaker 7 (11:44):
About what happened that dad kept calling you.
Speaker 8 (11:47):
I didn't know Daddy was calling me.
Speaker 9 (11:50):
Okay, So we talked about Huey Lewis in the news. Yes,
and a book that Stacy saw I should buy ordinary People.
Speaker 7 (12:02):
And at that time I didn't I couldn't.
Speaker 9 (12:05):
Even conceive of being a producer. But the next morning
I was going to brunch at friend's house down the street.
I went up to my car, I opened the car door,
and there on my front seat was ordinary People and
Vinyl Huey lewis in the news. How did she get
into my garage?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
How did you get into the garage?
Speaker 5 (12:30):
Very bizarre? My clicker when I his gate was locked
and I didn't want to get busted and come down
the stairs, but so I was trying to fit it
under it didn't fit, and by some stroke of insanity,
(12:55):
I pushed my gate opener and it opened.
Speaker 8 (12:59):
The Wow, no idea.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
That's like, that's like a metaphor.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
I know everything.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Forty six years Yeah, and I and I put it
and his car also was unlocked, and I put it
on the front seat and then got out really fast.
Speaker 9 (13:20):
So I went to my friend's house, and I then
had her phone number from the conversation before the day
the day before, and I called her to thank her,
and then, being a little OCD, I called her again.
And I called her every ten minutes for twenty four hours.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
And it worked it worked.
Speaker 7 (13:44):
Finally she put the phone back on the car.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
She took her Oh my gosh. By that time, they
were Yeah, so, how long how long did were you
dating before you made love?
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Oliver?
Speaker 8 (13:58):
You're not so Rice?
Speaker 3 (14:00):
What I know?
Speaker 7 (14:02):
Oliver?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
What it's a it's a natural question.
Speaker 8 (14:06):
It's a natural question.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Of course, it's a natural question.
Speaker 7 (14:11):
Natural answer. Yeah, I'm not sure.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
I'm okay, so forty definitely not on our first date,
for sure.
Speaker 10 (14:23):
No, not like my wife first, don't want anybody in
our family, but we know our family is our family
is like let's just get it over us.
Speaker 8 (14:33):
Yes, I like that philosophy.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
But no, and see if this really works, must have
been this second, now it be the third.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Maybe physically it's like I physically can What about.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
You and Rob Zoughie? How long before.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
This is Listen? This was a bad idea, you guys,
we should stop the interview now, don't tell me so, yeah,
my heart, I have even.
Speaker 7 (15:02):
Featured my daughter making laws.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
This is my favorite interview ever. Okay, I'm gonna button
this out. Okay, forty six years later, Yes, what's the
secret for you, guys?
Speaker 7 (15:32):
I say, will.
Speaker 9 (15:36):
Love and really listening, being able to hear the other person,
which I happen tune out, which she happens to be
great at.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
No.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
But I think it's almost there's a respect to the
tune out. It's like, all right, this is how you
need to cope, and I can respect that. You know,
communication obviously is the big one. But look, you can't
go forty six years without the ups and the downs.
Our parents have been together for forty years and it's
been great. It's also been crazy. It's been great, it's
been crazy, Yes, exactly, just how that's how it is.
Speaker 8 (16:16):
I mean, the way it is. That's a relationships real life.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
That's real life exactly.
Speaker 7 (16:21):
I just want to say. On the.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
I also must imagine that the relationship shifts, like the
pendulum kind of shifts as sort of the season of
your Oliver hates when that seasons of your life.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Well, it's like a hip thing. Yeah, it's like what
season are you in right now?
Speaker 3 (16:46):
But I don't But but let me say the chapters
of like you know, when you first meet, then when
you start to when you have your first child, then
when you're in the thick of it with adult children,
then when you're a grandparent. You know, it's sort of
like with that must come shifts for.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
You both, but also with the fact that, let's be honest,
Henry is an actor. So it's not like he is
a person who was working nine to five every day
(17:27):
with something that you know, he went to school to
do and it's a sure thing. Not that Okay, in life,
nothing is ever a sure thing.
Speaker 8 (17:39):
But but so.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
Depending and I think you maybe maybe you wouldn't, but
it seems that.
Speaker 8 (17:50):
The season.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Obviously can be interchanged with the work, the job, the
feeling validated, the feeling of success of all of all
of the above, and probably with anybody, it can.
Speaker 9 (18:16):
Be anybody that. But I would also tell you that
it is true. What I found out about me in
a relationship specifically, was about nine years ago. I started therapy,
and my season all of a sudden became richer and
(18:41):
more a vibrant.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
You know this is yeah, yeah, I love these sort
of therapy nine years ago. I mean, that's interesting.
Speaker 7 (18:51):
It started me when I was seven.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
No, I know, Zoe, you and I are on we've
you know, we've been on like soapro, we've been on
all it, that's what we are. But nine years ago,
so you know, you don't have to answer this question.
But you know, obviously your PERSONA Henry is just the
most joyful, most sort of you know, excitable Jois de
(19:14):
vs kind of a guy. Right, Obviously we all have
our darkness, There's no doubt about that. But why nine
years ago did you feel like you needed therapy?
Speaker 7 (19:24):
You know what?
Speaker 9 (19:25):
Nine years ago, I I came to a place where
I was just in a in a confusion. Before therapy,
I see, this is my metaphor. I see the bottom
of my brain Stoddard shut like the top of an
(19:48):
oil can. So you know when you you pour cream
into coffee and it swirls and makes a different color.
Nothing up here swirl into down here. And with therapy,
I was able to fry that lid off and finally
(20:10):
enjoy a cream. Mmmm.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
I love it. That's a great thing to meditate on.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Actually it is.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
All the actors in the room are like, I love that.
My mom and I are like, did he.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Just say it's a great visual?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
I love it.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
I know what I said.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
I love it. No, I really understand.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Yeah, no, I do too. And it's and it shifted you.
I mean, it's changed you.
Speaker 9 (20:42):
I you can ask Stacy, ask my entire family I
am a different human.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Being, really amazing.
Speaker 7 (20:50):
I am the human being I thought of being that
I could not be.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
It just made you better all around.
Speaker 9 (20:58):
You know, I saw myself was a block of Swiss cheese,
and I'm trying to become cheddar with no.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah, I know, I don't. I don't like Swiss cheese.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I love Swiss cheese.
Speaker 7 (21:10):
About me. When I was going to many things.
Speaker 9 (21:15):
Oh oh, oh h, zoe was like a cupcake, you know,
when you're baking and you put the toothpick in, make
sure that it's done. You were constantly in baking mode.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
It was always Zoey.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
So when did you go to Like, how old were
you really when you started going to thera?
Speaker 7 (21:43):
I wasn't joking. I was maybe younger than seven.
Speaker 8 (21:46):
It was no, for goodness sake, I was naughty yet.
Speaker 11 (21:50):
I was in first grade and I think I was six.
Philip Berkowitz not so. No, it was then teens.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
But just from a parenting standpoint, because we you know,
we have kids and you know, varying ages.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Obviously, there was an earthquake ninety four, It was.
Speaker 11 (22:13):
Not ninety four. Was one before that? So I was seven,
So it was nineteen eighty.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
Seven eighty eight.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I remember that, and I would not come out.
Speaker 11 (22:20):
From underneath the table, and at all times insisted because
I had heard that if you drive around, you don't
feel it. So my our nanny at the time, would
drive me around the neighborhood and anytime we would stop
would be.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
Like, no, got to keep driving or get at table.
Speaker 11 (22:37):
And I think at that point they were like, holy shit,
that's happening.
Speaker 7 (22:41):
It is so scary.
Speaker 12 (22:43):
It's so scary, so scary, and it is one I
have to say, it is one of my biggest fears
living here in California.
Speaker 11 (22:54):
It's going to happen, and that's so unsettling for someone
that's already anxious. Is like that lack of control.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Right, Yeah, Well, I actually have a question about that,
because you know, I've in my twenties I had gnarly
anxiety attack at panic and it's sort of extended through
my life, you know, and it's manageable, it's not debilitating.
It can be at times. I am on medication for it.
There is a genetic component to anxiety as well, as
(23:22):
my mom had it in her twenties and then Wilder,
my oldest he it was only like three weeks or
a month, but I had to pull him out of
school because he said, I don't feel real and you know,
I all of the symptoms of anxiety. Lucky for him,
I knew what he was going through, so I was
sort of shepherd him through it, you know.
Speaker 8 (23:44):
And I'm just curious lucky.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, and I'm curious about you guys, you know, especially
being a different time, mental health right now is definitely
at the forefront of everyone's minds.
Speaker 9 (23:55):
It's not just mental health. I grew up in New
York City with very out of touch and I don't
know what you would even call them parents. So I
promise I would be a different parent. And whether you
(24:15):
know what it is, whether you're in touch with your
own genetic makeup or not, you see your child and
if you really look at them, you can see there
is a problem. If there is a problem, even if
you don't know what it is, you can help make
that child more comfortable until you figure out the problem.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah, but how did you deal with a child who
is having anxiety? Even even with.
Speaker 11 (24:44):
Max Room when I was having anxiety attacks, they just
locked the door and leave.
Speaker 7 (24:48):
What I'm just kidding, I will tell you.
Speaker 8 (24:52):
We tied you up.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
And then we made.
Speaker 9 (24:56):
As parents, we made a mistake because we because so
we had a problem concentrating on focusing. We gave her
medicine and we gave her medicine that at the end
of the day when it started to wear off, made
her just so uncomfortable that she just couldn't live in
(25:17):
her own skin. Did the stay with Max because at
the time we thought we were doing the right thing.
And do we want our children or do we want
focus in good grades with the children?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's a struggle because it changed,
they did.
Speaker 8 (25:38):
The color left their face.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Really also a different time.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
It was a riddlin.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
I mean, it wasn't lad enough, the corn a little
bit they were they were, it was they were so
subdued that it was bizarre. It grew and this is
what we were told to do by several doctors. But
(26:04):
it was literally just as Henry said it was, you know,
because they were wonderful kids. But when I have always
had anxiety, but I never took medication as a kid.
I just always kind of thought I was crazy because
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it didn't feel like anybody else and the family did
have that.
Speaker 8 (26:34):
Now, of course.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
I know that everyone was paralyzed living in our house.
But at the time you just feel a little insane.
It's a terrible feeling. It's debilitating. You can go about
your business, but it's so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Mm hmm. Yeah. And where are you at with that, Stacy?
Do you still suffer from anxiety?
Speaker 8 (27:00):
No?
Speaker 5 (27:01):
I yes, I am an anxious person. I'm emotional. I
am a what if kind of person.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
I know somebody like that too, who's true sitting next
to your husband?
Speaker 8 (27:20):
Yes, yes, I'm better, but I still I still.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
I was that person who thought, well, if things are
going so well, there must be something horrible. Yeah, from
the corner, because this is not normal. It's too good
right now.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Oh my god. I have that, Aaron, my wife has
that more than I do. But I feel that too.
Someone's like, it's too good, something bad has gotten to happen.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
It's terraever induce my mind.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
It's a mind that's so interesting. Henry just said, never
enters my mind. That's like my mother, my mother, it
just doesn't. It's just yeah, and.
Speaker 8 (28:11):
Does not have that.
Speaker 11 (28:13):
He only has anxiety about germs and money and money,
which is so fucked.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
In him. She was also a grand larcenist.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Thief.
Speaker 8 (28:30):
He told me who was the thief? Me?
Speaker 11 (28:33):
When I use his credit cardent Ron Herman friend segall Juliana.
Speaker 7 (28:37):
Not use it, abuse it.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Okay. So there's there's three kids. There's there's uh Jad
who's the and Zoe and Max. And when you met Stacy?
How old was job for and Stacy? When did you
think it was appropriate to introduce him to Henry?
Speaker 7 (29:12):
Like?
Speaker 3 (29:13):
What was it? What was that?
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Like?
Speaker 7 (29:16):
You know what?
Speaker 5 (29:16):
My parents were out of the country and we were
staying at their house like house sitting and Henry came
to pick me up like a date would come to
pick up. It wasn't like a relationship or anything.
Speaker 7 (29:37):
And and we went to the movies.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
We went to the movies and I I introduced, I
mean and and maybe it was because when I said,
I said to him, guess who I'm going out with?
And it was, you know, his birthday cake person. He
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opened the front door and said, FANSI and Henry, who
was at the time extremely serious. What did you say,
honey when Jenny I.
Speaker 9 (30:17):
Was panicked at the time about being type cast, so
I would do nothing Phonsie off of the show. I
was Henry and that was my character. He opened the door.
I looked down this little guy. I said, my name
is Henry. Would you like it if I called you Ralph?
Speaker 8 (30:41):
And then of course he went into therapy.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Yeah, oh my god, Oh you you're so concerned.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Oh no, not a four year old. You didn't want
to be typecast.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Now I know you went into therapy nine years nine
years ago. So okay, So you basically met Jeb right away,
and then how long was it until you were living together?
How old was how long?
Speaker 7 (31:13):
How long was that that was?
Speaker 8 (31:15):
I think a year? A year later.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
We were living together, and that was like a major
thing because I was very nervous about that, about the
fact that it wasn't going to kind of feel as permanent.
(31:41):
But I mean, I believe that it was that we
would The first date that we went on, my parents,
as I said, were away and I wrote down that
this was who I was going to marry it on
a little piece of paper and folded it and put
it in my mother's jewelry box. I really felt that,
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but I I it was a bigger deal with the
child to live together. That was that was a big
commitment mm hmm. But you know, fortunately it worked, but
it was a big.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Deal when you wrote that and put it in the
When you wrote that down, what were the things about
Henry that you knew that this was the guy?
Speaker 8 (32:31):
Like?
Speaker 2 (32:32):
What was what was like, Oh, this is the guy.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
What's very funny is that being born and raised here
and growing up here, everybody knew that you don't necessarily
go out with or expect a relationship with someone who
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was in the entertainment business.
Speaker 8 (33:00):
I was taken with was that he just.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Felt more normal than anyone that I had ever met.
He just felt normal. He had a great sensibility, he
had a what a terrific demeanor, He felt calm and
(33:26):
laid back, and I just it just felt like, Wow,
this is someone really special.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
At the time was Happy Days? Was that was it on?
Speaker 8 (33:42):
Oh? Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
It was in its.
Speaker 5 (33:47):
Second year, But I like, for instance, we went to
the movies and Henry said, I think I think we
should in the back and I said why and he said,
I'm just Oh. As we were on our way to
the movies, someone waved in the car and Henry waved
(34:12):
back and I said, who is that? And he was
so surprised, He had no idea who was that? Was
the kind of thing that, as I got to know him,
became a reality that was nowhere close to a reality.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Well, and Happy Days was so huge, and you were
the I mean you're the Fox.
Speaker 13 (34:34):
I mean I was like the one of the biggest,
biggest characters in everybody's home for years and years and years,
you know, one of the great loved What a joy
that you got to experience.
Speaker 7 (34:48):
It was a joy for me to play him.
Speaker 9 (34:50):
Yeah, for me to be with those people who are
still family, they're yeah, very very close to But when
we went to the movies, I said, you know, I
think it would be better if we sat in the back.
And Stacey said why And I said, I don't know
how to describe it to you, just I think it
would be better if we sat in the back. She
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went why, And I wasn't okay, And we sat in the middle,
and the entire theater stood up and came over to
say hello.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (35:20):
She looked at me and she went, oh.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Henry, what was your first gig after Happy Days? Because
you I totally get it, Like, of course you love it.
You owe everything to the funds, right, but at the
same time you're like, holy shit, fuck the fawns. I mean,
I've got to get out of this.
Speaker 9 (35:40):
Yeah, But you know what I all I thought about
was I need to get another job, not get out
of it, because I had so much fun, but I
couldn't get hired right and I had I literally had
psychic pain. I was sitting at my desk in my
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office at Paramount and I was paralyzed because I didn't
know what do I do? Will it be as powerful
as the funds? Will I ever be hired again? And
my lawyer, Skip Brittenham, said, I'm going to make you
a production company and I said, well, I'm so dyslexic.
(36:20):
I can't do that. And here's the lesson. You don't
know what you can do until you try. Because the
first show somebody came in, I went, oh my gosh,
I like that a lot. And my partner at the
time was a man named John Rich And the first
show we sold was Macgiver Really Wow.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
And then if you've been producing, that started producing career.
Speaker 7 (36:49):
That started it.
Speaker 9 (36:49):
Then we did a show called Sightings for seven years,
which was all things paranormal. We went all over the
world and either broke a myth or looked at something
that people were talking about on whether it was true
or not on a show called Sightings.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
And then what about acting? What was your gig after.
Speaker 9 (37:13):
Ard really hard? I did a television movie and eight
years later that was called Absolute Strangers, which is when
I started to really act again. And then it took
me a long time, you know Adam Sandler.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Movies, Yeah, water Boy right right.
Speaker 10 (37:36):
Then.
Speaker 7 (37:38):
Arrested Development, yeah right, and then Scream Yeah.
Speaker 9 (37:44):
Then, you know, so slowly I worked my way back.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
And then and then Barry, Barry, what a blessing Barry.
Speaker 7 (37:55):
I'm knocking Wood.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
I mean, you were so fucking great. I I'm not
just saying that I loved it so much. I loved
that show so much. I thought it was just an
amazing show. Just tonally. You know how you can sort of,
you know, marry those two tones.
Speaker 7 (38:10):
That's all Bill and Alex.
Speaker 9 (38:13):
When you do a television show, when you do anything,
you need the people who are running it to have
a point of view. And then in that point of view,
in the structure, comes your freedom.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
So real quickly, going back to your anxieties, which is
finance and germs. Okay, you know you play the phones,
so you you have some financial freedom from that, but
that's not going to sustain you right then, because it's
so hard to get an acting gig or to find
your way in that world. You're now a producer. I
actually am producing now. I have a deal with Fox
(38:47):
and it's really really fun from a creative place, But
the only way you're going to make money is if
that show actually goes. That's exactly produced. So were you
financially strained for a while?
Speaker 7 (38:59):
In my mind? And I am always financially.
Speaker 12 (39:03):
So I feel I'm not kidding I I am relaxing
a little bit.
Speaker 9 (39:11):
But now with my partner, I have written forty children's novels,
Aren't News.
Speaker 7 (39:18):
One comes out in October.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Amazing.
Speaker 9 (39:22):
That was a time filler and it became another profession.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
But it's also Henry. It is who you are because
you reinvent in all these different areas. It's an amazing
quality because you can't bear to be still.
Speaker 7 (39:45):
His work ethic is the craziest thing I've I.
Speaker 8 (39:47):
Mean beyond, I don't really beyond beyond.
Speaker 7 (39:53):
Follow?
Speaker 3 (39:55):
May I ask Zoe as you sit there and you
know I can't help but think, like, what do you
ever feel the pressure of like what your parents have done?
As like the matriarch and patriarch as the family and
being together. I mean, you have a You've had a
(40:16):
very long relationship with your husband. You guys are solid
and awesome and great, but like, just sometimes does it
ever feel like hard to live up to?
Speaker 11 (40:26):
First of all, I have to be amazing, so I
already I feel like everyone I live up to it.
Speaker 7 (40:31):
But no, I swear, and I think it's because of
the way they raised us. I really do. And also
I didn't go into.
Speaker 11 (40:36):
That business, so I think that that's something I followed
my mom's footsteps, and that my mom, you know, started
two nonprofits and you know, worked on the Commission under
Clinton and did all of this amazing stuff.
Speaker 7 (40:50):
So I followed in her footsteps. But I never wanted
to be an actress ever. Ever. Ever, I almost made.
Speaker 11 (40:57):
A mistake when I was offered the Bachelorette and I
said yes, and then my dad was like, no, she
won't do that, and then I, like, you.
Speaker 7 (41:04):
Know, I.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Would have given anything to see that.
Speaker 11 (41:09):
It's do a show with Kim Kardashian and Sarah Howard
called Quarter Life Crisis.
Speaker 7 (41:14):
The producer flew out.
Speaker 11 (41:15):
Here, not Hannah, and I shot the sizzle reel and
then my dad said, please come to our house.
Speaker 7 (41:22):
I'd like to meet you.
Speaker 11 (41:22):
And my dad said, please go inside, and I went
inside and I came back out and Matt Hanna said, Okay,
I gues we're all done.
Speaker 7 (41:27):
I guess you're not doing the show. And I was like,
what do you mean?
Speaker 11 (41:29):
And my Dad's like, So my parents protected me in
that way because I think that that would have been
such a disaster. But I feel no pressure ever. I
feel only pride in them. I do want to say,
I think sometimes like for Max, my brother was a
director and a writer.
Speaker 7 (41:47):
Who told us that he was going to do that
at ten.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (41:50):
And by the way, when my dad was auditioning for Barry,
he ran all the lines with Max, and Max tell it.
I really feel like I could see like him feeling
pressure maybe, and he doesn't either, And I think that
that's because, like my parents always told us, from the
time we could understand, like you can do and be
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anything you can. You know, like it was always like
we were. They were very very strict, but we could
have any conversation with them. If you tell the truth,
you never get in trouble. And they never made us
feel like you know, my dad's life was very much
like it wasn't it was because of the work that
he did. It had nothing to do with us, and
it wasn't ours and we never took it on really,
(42:31):
I mean I would use it.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
What about emotionally? What about in terms of their relationship
like your mom and dad being together for forty six years?
And I mean that.
Speaker 11 (42:40):
I feel like I think I had like such a
beautiful model and I'm so grateful. And my husband's family
same thing, you know, high school, see arts, they've been married,
and I feel I feel very lucky, like I but
I am so close to my parents that you know,
when I have a fight with my husband, I call
them crying and I'm like, you know, I'm so angry,
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and you know, like.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
How many times a day do you call them?
Speaker 11 (43:06):
Not that I'm very reactive, and so I feel like,
you know, it's like a very good but I don't.
I feel like they've shown they've set a bar. But
I feel like when even if I've made mistakes, they've
never made me feel shame about.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
What are the things that you take from being raised
by them that you implement in your family with your Children's.
Speaker 11 (43:40):
Question, Highness like that comes first. The mental well being
of my children and their ability. They're like that is
before grades, before anything else. Treating people with respect, being
kind to everyone. Nobody is better than you, and also
you're not better than anyone. And family dinners. We sat down,
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you know, Monday through Thursday, we had dinner together, and
that's something we do giving back that my kids can,
you know, talk to me about anything. It doesn't mean
that I'm necessarily going to change my mind, but i
want them to always feel And I've always said to
my kids, if you tell the truth, you won't get
in trouble.
Speaker 7 (44:19):
I mean so many things, so many things that I you.
Speaker 9 (44:22):
Know, and Zoe is very close also with Stacy, and
they are very funny together, and so they're going to
try and do this wonderful podcast together.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
That's we were going to get into that, which is.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Yeah, no, it's so great. Even watching your you know,
stories and your all your Instagram stuff, it's almost a
natural progression into an actual plod unst you're.
Speaker 7 (44:49):
The one who's being filmed.
Speaker 11 (44:53):
I like to be like the dark horse, like I'm
actually the comedic genius in the family and the director
because all my stories are.
Speaker 5 (45:03):
Our house was not like you know, Saint Mary's. It
was we were all doing the best we could. So
it was that our kids also saw that we blew it.
Many times we would be over reactive. We would you know,
(45:25):
go to your grounded or whatever it was.
Speaker 11 (45:28):
And they would have disagreements, which I think is like
the best thing because I saw that, like you can
fight and.
Speaker 7 (45:34):
And the world isn't going to end, you know.
Speaker 11 (45:35):
She would have disagreements and there would and so my
dad would mediate the disagreements between my mom and I.
He would sit in the middle in their bedroom. He
would sit here, she would sit in the bed, and
he would sit on the chf's lounge and you would
he would be like, I think what you're trying to say,
you know, and my mom and I would just like, oh.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
My god, that would never happen in our family.
Speaker 8 (45:58):
It barely did in ours.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
So, but your podcast is on iHeart on on our
lovely iHeart Radio and it's called What in the Winkler.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Released October thirtieth.
Speaker 13 (46:11):
October thirtieth, my birthday birthday, that's your birthday.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
Yeah, oh was that on purpose?
Speaker 11 (46:19):
I wanted it to be called Seeing Red because my
mom and I are both redheads and super fiery.
Speaker 8 (46:24):
I like that.
Speaker 7 (46:25):
I know.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
We like What in the Winkler too, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
What in the Winkler's cute?
Speaker 2 (46:30):
I like it. It's cute, it's cute. I love seeing
Red is a great title though, for what nobody saw.
Speaker 11 (46:36):
Hollie Meyershire actually came up with What in the Winkler
Nancy Meyer's daughter.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
Oh wow, So why did you want to start a podcast?
Speaker 8 (46:44):
Well?
Speaker 11 (46:44):
People, so some people saw my Instagram and they were like,
this is so funny.
Speaker 7 (46:48):
You should do a show, you know, you should a
reality show.
Speaker 11 (46:50):
And it didn't really like that wasn't really like comfortable
for any of us.
Speaker 7 (46:55):
So we were thinking, like how could we do it?
Speaker 11 (46:58):
And then my mom and I and our relationship has
had so many different seasons.
Speaker 5 (47:07):
Seasons, multi season.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
Listen, Oliver, just get with the new seasons.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
It's the season buzz thing been around like like no,
like two years.
Speaker 11 (47:23):
Literally, actually just said this to Rob about like our
relationship and like how we have three young kids and
we're just like so in it right now and this
is the season.
Speaker 7 (47:30):
And he was like, where the fuck did you hear that?
I know, and I thought it was great.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
I kind of like it because I mean it's look,
it's a good it's a good way to communicate a
change in direction or energy.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
But you can have a season like three, three seasons
in a day. You can go through.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
Yeah, yeah, and maybe I will.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
That's that's what I'm saying. But a season, it says,
it's like, oh, there's a period of time as a season,
but we don't exist seasons come back saying Zoe is
you can be you can be in a season this
season today, and your season is shifted tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (48:14):
No one has there's seasons don't have a time limit.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
Yes, but it's also like, how do you have a
time limit that's not around three to four months?
Speaker 3 (48:23):
But you're you're creating. That's not how you speak of it.
Speaker 11 (48:26):
It's more just like it's more just like a broader
you gotta got to look beyond.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
I think he knows. He just hates.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
I think it's wrong. It doesn't It kind of takes
it makes no sense.
Speaker 5 (48:36):
Well, we have also been known to have three or
four seasons within an hour's time exact, So I get
I get where you're both coming from. But it's a
nice definition.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
What things do you want to tackle in the podcast,
like what what are you excited about getting into?
Speaker 11 (48:59):
Like for me and for my mom, I think it's
such an amazing thing that we get to have this
memory together and that we get to sit we talk,
we talk. I sit in that in her dressing room
which you see behind her, and we just talk. And
that's where we all come My dad comes in there,
my brothers come in there, we all come in, the wives,
the husbands, the kids, and we just sort of like
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talk in there.
Speaker 7 (49:22):
And I think we have.
Speaker 11 (49:26):
The ability to be really honest with each other and
so our life and I think you guys can relate
to this was bizarre and also normal and also you know, wild.
And I think people always ask like, what was it
like having you know? And I think my answer was
always like, oh, what's it like having your dad?
Speaker 7 (49:46):
Is your dad?
Speaker 3 (49:47):
You know?
Speaker 11 (49:47):
And then I realized that maybe that wasn't like the
nicest way to respond, because I.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
Was Zobe, Actually were you were you? Did you embrace
your dad being famous? Or was it were.
Speaker 7 (49:58):
For her?
Speaker 2 (50:00):
Oh really like a garden tools to really yeah, clubs.
Speaker 7 (50:06):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 11 (50:06):
But then when somebody like when I would be in
the middle of a conversation. Someone would come up to
him and I'd be like, oh, and he would be
like watch your mouth, like how do you think you
get to you know?
Speaker 8 (50:16):
You know?
Speaker 7 (50:17):
And so I But yeah, I loved it, I very much.
I didn't. I mean I when I went.
Speaker 11 (50:23):
To college, I hated it and that I felt like,
you have this thing where like everybody knows you, but
you don't know everybody because everyone like you're going to
be this way, and then you spent I spent all
this time proving I was some other way that it
was almost like about it.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
Well, what about you? STA's like, wow, what do you
want to get out of this? What do you love
about it?
Speaker 3 (50:42):
You know what?
Speaker 5 (50:44):
To be utterly totally honest, I really have not gone there.
I love the fact that I get to have this
time with so she that's it makes me laugh so hard.
(51:04):
And I just take each thing kind of as it comes.
I don't want to overthink it because it feels like
I don't want to take it so seriously. I think,
whatever is the situation, somehow it will evolve or it won't.
Speaker 8 (51:28):
But I love right now just having.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
I get that. I totally get that, because you know,
we've been doing this for years now. We love talking
to you guys. We love talking to our various guests.
But I think the greatest gift of the podcast, other
than the small amount of money that I get to survive,
it's about having time with Kate and having an hour
or two hours or however long it is to sort
(51:54):
of converse, to talk to people, to learn even more
about each other than we didn't know. I think the
great angle for you guys is the mother daughter thing
as well. I mean, I think that's an important relationship
talks hearing how authentic and how candid you guys are
about your life.
Speaker 3 (52:11):
Yeah, and how you're like, especially when it comes to
raising kids and raising kids and environments that can be challenging,
or keeping your kids, you know, grounded. Also talking about
all the work that you do, all of the important
work that you're doing. I think it's going to be wonderful.
I can't wait to listen.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Yeah, and then just throw your dad under the bus
for some headlines.
Speaker 3 (52:35):
Related has to make a He has to have his
own little section. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
It's called wink wink. And that's when Dad comes in.
Wink wink, wink wink and then Dad comes in to
give a little like truth serum.
Speaker 3 (52:49):
Right, hold on, let's ask wink wink.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
Or how about wink wink is a segment of he's
telling either a true story about his life or it's
may or he's made and you have to guess.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
And sure, Oliver is filled with ideas.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
I got ideas.
Speaker 11 (53:02):
Kids are obsessed with Ollie. Like they just show up
and they're like, any bikes that we could ride, any
any ramps, any.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
Oh my god, I love my garage. They said they
have my bike for years they have it now. I think, right, yeah,
you have my bike. He's like, so I know, and
then giving Max a shout out. Though Max is directing
a cool movie, right.
Speaker 7 (53:24):
No, he is.
Speaker 9 (53:25):
He's been running a television show show and he did
American horror stories.
Speaker 7 (53:31):
Yeah, he in Feud.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
That's right. Ryan Murphy's not the Uh.
Speaker 9 (53:37):
Oh he works for Ryan a lot and now and
and pretty soon.
Speaker 7 (53:42):
Oh.
Speaker 9 (53:43):
He he directed Javier Bardem, that's it. And then Javier
Bardem invited him for dinner and I said, can I drive,
I'll wear hats, I'll ring the bell.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
That's cool. He's killing it, you know.
Speaker 7 (54:06):
Whatever his name is, he's a really good actor.
Speaker 3 (54:11):
Oh, that's so nice to hear. That's great. He's been
working so hard at it for so long. He deserves that.
That's so awesome. Well, I love you guys. This is
so great. And October thirtieth.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
What a winkler?
Speaker 3 (54:27):
What is a winkler?
Speaker 2 (54:29):
What in the wink winkler? October thirtieth? Everyone checked that out?
Speaker 3 (54:33):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (54:34):
Are you having guests at all?
Speaker 7 (54:36):
We'll have guests once in a while, I'll have guests.
All right, Well, I want to be only I want
you to be good, lovely conversation.
Speaker 3 (54:43):
This was so much fun.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
It was great.
Speaker 3 (54:46):
I don't have to overcompensate for Oliver because you know him,
but I will apologize for how inappropriate he was in
the beginning.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
Well, Zoe, how long before you and Rob made love?
Speaker 7 (54:58):
Okay, we're done.
Speaker 3 (55:02):
He was in this house.
Speaker 7 (55:03):
Actually, I'm just kidding. I'm set.
Speaker 5 (55:14):
Max, thank you for We love you much.
Speaker 7 (55:19):
Do you think I thank you on Halloween?
Speaker 3 (55:23):
Halloween?
Speaker 2 (55:26):
Oh? So sweet family.
Speaker 7 (55:29):
I know.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
Henry is just the sweetest, the sweetest.
Speaker 3 (55:32):
He's the sweetest man, and.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
I love that he's been nine years ago. He's like,
I'm gonna do therapy, I know, but it's just great.
It speaks to this idea that it's never too late
to get better work on yourself.
Speaker 3 (55:46):
I love his metaphors.
Speaker 2 (55:48):
He loves it. I love the coffee and the cream
on the cupcakes. Yeah, it's always baking. I wanted to
say it. I was like, wet, You're is always moist
or wet. But I didn't I know that really said that.
I didn't say very inappropriate. Stacy said that I didn't
say that.
Speaker 3 (56:05):
I know, I know, but I wasn't even thinking that.
Speaker 2 (56:07):
That's just to show what.
Speaker 3 (56:08):
Your your male the male brain. No, I wasn't thinking
that at all. But now I am.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
Thanks.
Speaker 3 (56:17):
Yes, But honestly, we know them so well. They're a
wonderful family.
Speaker 2 (56:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (56:22):
And uh and really, you know, honestly, Henry and Stacy,
how do He's so wholesome?
Speaker 2 (56:29):
You know?
Speaker 3 (56:30):
But but then when you get to know him, you realize,
you know, he had he's.
Speaker 1 (56:33):
Had such an interesting life and and and as as
time goes on, yeah, I mean, but as time goes on,
he realized, what does the younger generation even.
Speaker 8 (56:43):
Know of happy days?
Speaker 2 (56:45):
Probably not, you know, it's.
Speaker 3 (56:47):
Really our generation, maybe some maligious twenty right gen z,
Like I don't think Ryder knows who the Phsan says
he was such on a novel.
Speaker 7 (56:56):
It was huge, huge, Like it.
Speaker 2 (56:59):
Was like and think about it, there was like three
TV stations back there. Yeah, forty million people watching a TV.
Speaker 3 (57:06):
Show and happy days Gary Marshall. Yeah, Gary Marshall, my man.
Speaker 6 (57:11):
Yeah, if you're in the Gary Marshall family, it's a thing.
Speaker 2 (57:14):
Yeah, he was the best.
Speaker 6 (57:15):
He was such a brilliant man and like such a loving.
Speaker 3 (57:23):
Gary was the best.
Speaker 2 (57:24):
Yeah. Oh, good family. It's funny. They're they're so entertaining. Yes,
they're just nuts. They're all nuts and in the best
possible way, and it's just so fun to watch them.
I knew that's why they started the podcast, because Zoe
would do on on our Instagram, would always have these
funny ass stories with her and her mother. You know.
Speaker 3 (57:45):
Well, I'm excited to see how it translates into the podcast.
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