Glen and Leslie Powell

Kate and Oliver are joined by actor Glen Powell and his sister, musician Leslie Powell. They talk about growing up in Texas, their pet monkey Charlie, what it was like when they moved out to LA, their support for each other, and more. You might leave this episode wanting to be a Powell sibling.

Executive Producers: Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson

Produced by Allison Bresnick

Music by Mark Hudson

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.
We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and
what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling
railvalr No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth, Vely.

(00:33):
That's good. Okay, let's talk about this. Actually. You know
what's so fun is that I know it's fun. I
know what you know. No, I'm gonna say what's no,
I know it's fun. No, No, I am so much
more fun. Okay, So no, listen, how funny is it

(00:57):
that we had this kind of queued up for now.
We've been holding off on this one because so we
we interviewed Glenn and Leslie Powell. We've been holding off
on it because we really wanted it to come out
when when Top Gun came out. And the reason why
we're now putting it forward is because, oh the Danger

(01:21):
song go ahead. Yeah see, I go right to the
other song, which is take Take My breath Away, breath Away.

(01:42):
That's the first time I saw a tongue go into
a mouth in that silhouette shot of Cruise and McGillis.
I was like, oh my god, his tongue just went
into her mouth. She was so hot with her like
aviators on and her curly hair. Yes, it's still my
favorite love light sex scene. Oh what a movie. Anyway,

(02:05):
we wanted to hold off because I was I'm excited
for Glenn and it's like a dream come true for him.
And also I just happened to know that the movie's
awesome and that he is just stand out, and so
I really wanted to wait. But they pushed it to
next June, which I get because that is going to
be a theater experience and I'm so glad they're doing

(02:26):
that because I want to be in the theater watching
that myself. But you got to get to the good part.
The good part is that, first of all, we've known
Glenn for a long time. Yet I'm trying to get there.
I was giving. We were just with him. We were
with him. He was in Colorado, and we were with
him for a week straight and had so much It
was so fun. So the fun part is that we
were all in Colorado and you guys were doing a

(02:47):
lot of mountain biking, and I just want to say
that that the whole Powell family is one to envy.
There so amazing. If you see their Instagram accounts, there's
so much love and support for each other, and it's
just a beautiful family unit makes you happy. It makes

(03:11):
you happy. They make you happy. Pappy, Leslie and Glenn's
relationship is just a beautiful one. She's amazing. She's so
talented too. She's got a beautiful voice and incredible voice. Yeah. Anyway, Glenn. So,
Glenn was here in Colorado. We had the best time
with him. He was over at the ranch. We had bonfires,
we cooked food, we drank good wine, we had some tequila,

(03:34):
and I took him out on some of my mountain
biking adventures. And we're all deciding that we should probably
live on a on like a commune style. Yes, you know,
yeah vibe and there are there are many pictures and
videos that I would love to post on Instagram of
Glenn on a mountain bike and on a dirt bike,
but he will not let me because he's concerned that

(03:54):
his image will be ruined. And I'm going to abide
by this because I agree with him. So you will
not be seeing these videos. They're hilarious. Okay, I just
want to say, this is such a sweet, great episode
I hope you guys enjoy it. Here is Glenn and
Jolie Powell. Kate came up with the idea that we

(04:15):
start from the beginning, which is a really novel idea,
but I liked it a lot. So we want to
get an idea of where you came from, like what
where you grew up, that kind of thing. How many brothers,
how many brothers, how many brothers and sisters, you know,
give us the whole, like monkeys, when you were conceived,

(04:37):
how you were conceived. Let's start with, let's coved. I
really beat the odds. I've always pretty hard than anyone else.
It's amazing what I can do. Do not tell me
the odds. So let's start with where you're from. We're

(05:01):
from Austin, Texas, and my but my dad grew up
in New Jersey and Maine, so we have we think
of him as an honorary Texan though he's a Yankee,
but he's really not a Yankee at heart. And then
my mom grew up in Dallas, so we spent our
entire lives in Austin and then going back and forth.
Our aunt had this crazy ranch in East Texas, and

(05:25):
so we basically spent all of our summers playing with
like our cousins and everyone. We would never do we
would never like go to camp. We always like brought
camp to us. How many were how many of them?
There were thirteen of us? Oh wow? And like there
were no filters. Ever, my cousins would say whatever they wanted.
I mean, you guys like the childhood, Okay, so you

(05:50):
would spend all your summers on a big ranch. The
freedom of being able to like, were your parents cool
with that, Like did they let you guys just run
and roam around or were they a little more I
think I think the big thing is that came from
my so my grandfather, my mom's side of the family
is like a bunch of rowdy Texans. So my grandfather

(06:11):
was a surgeon. My grandmother like ran Dallas community college
like system, and they had was it five six brothers
and sisters. Yeah, there were six six, six of them
and they were just wild and they were all in
Dallas and had this big plot of land like right
in the middle of Dallas, and they had horses and animals,
and my grandfather had a monkey in his surgery practice, right,

(06:33):
And so it first started out is when we were
young and kind of growing up, we kind of always
wanted like we had like sugar gliders and we had
you know, first we start off with just obviously like
normal pets like gerbils and you know, and like dogs
and stuff like that. And somebody's like, I caught a possum, Like,
let's make it our pet. And then somebody's like I
caught a raccoon, Like, let's make it our pet. And

(06:54):
then all of a sudden we started like when g
dad died, we got a monkey in his honor. We
didn't name him William because that's a weird thing to
name monkey, but we did name him Charlie. And and
Charlie sort of became part of the family, and then
I think they saw the effect of like taking care
of Charlie sort of instilled caregiving aspects into the family.

(07:17):
So like every summer we started getting a new animal
that would be like a timeshare animal, so you'd basically
because we have such a big family, Charlie would stay
with you know, this family because it's like a baby
have to changes diaper every days, a full time, yeah,
with every family. And then there was like an outpaka
in a Quadamundi, which is like a South American and eater,

(07:38):
and then one year we got a white rhino. We
got a rhyan. There's literally one of those left. I'm like,
and it's at the right and he lives the best life,
and people think, is Charlie still He's still alive? Right, Charlie? Actually,
Leslie and Charlie what you don't want to talk about it? Oh,

(08:01):
we don't really get all you don't, guy, it's a
really sore subject because all the boys and he doesn't
like me. Oh no, really, yeah, my feelings are really hurt. Okay,
but but so why do you think he doesn't like you? Guys?
I don't know. I've been trying to figure this out
for nine years. Now does it? Does it hurt your

(08:21):
feelings at all? Yeah? What did I do? What did
I ever do to make a monkey not like me?
So what do you do? Do? You try to engage
with him and connection? I gave it a shop for
a long siblings we're talking about Charlie gave it a
shop for a long time. I don't really engage with
him anymore. Oh wow, so you've gone it's kind of

(08:41):
like you know, we should really is you know we
should do the next time you guys come on, it's
just Leslie and we'll bring them Charlie and the monkey
and we can have charity. They can do a therapy session.
I like it. Yeah, maybe we could Charlie then apologize.
You get a professional animal like an animal psychic. Actually,

(09:06):
oh my god, this is an amazing animal psychic. I mean,
oh yeah, oh yeah, what if after this, like you
and Charlie have like the greatest relationship, he was holding
to the podcast. He's like, I had no idea, Charlie.
Charlie barricaded Leslie in the bathroom one time, literally chased him,
chased her into the bathroom and she was locked it.
How long were you in there for? Good? Forty way,

(09:28):
Like bang on the door just to make sure I
knew not to come out of there every five minutes.
No way. Charlie wins in the house, so okay, So Charlie,
Charlie lives in the family house. Basically it's in East Texas, right,
and that's where everybody goes. That's a big, great wait.
First of all, how many how many siblings do you
guys have? So we have we have one other sister, Okay, so,
and that's our older sister Lauren Okay, who just had

(09:51):
a niece and nephew, or our niece and nephew. She
had her son and daughter, two twins. They're so fun.
She's like the best mom ever. Really, Yes, it's so cute.
My sister is like she's fierce and she like won't
take shit from anyone. And when she had her babies,
she just turned into this like maternal She's always been incredible,

(10:11):
but like this maternal instinct came out. How old is she?
Why did you ask that she's been around for three
hundred and forty she's three years older than Glenn. Yeah,
thirty three. Oh so you're all like three and a
half years apart. And are you guys? Are you guys

(10:33):
all close? Yeah? Who's everybody's very close? Who's the closest
in siblings? I don't know about you, but I feel
like grown up that the alliance has shifted. Like I
was like hanging out with Leslie and I were always
sort of she was always like my mini me, Like
we always did a lot of the same activities. Yeah,
to get like I played violin, I did like the
school and then you yeah, and then we did that
and then the sports that I played like she would play,

(10:54):
and like I played saxophone, you played saxophone. You and
Lauren were really close glowing up growing up exactly. Yeah,
and you were you were kind of left own. I
wouldn't nobody was ever really left out, Like, but y'all
like did things together. When I was too young to
go with the big kids, right, they would all go
do their stuff and then come back. But then we
got to the age where like when we could all

(11:16):
do stuff together, we all did stuff. So you guys
are perfect. It's basically I would say, basically, you guys
like all loved each other. And I know, okay, so
you so then how old were you when you felt
like you guys started to I think when Lauren went
to college is when I was like, oh my gosh,
she's gone. Like once she was gone, I was. It

(11:39):
made me so sad. But then like before that, like
they would always be together, and then I think when
she went to college was a big change for me.
It was also a period of time like I don't know,
like when you're a like fourteen or fifteen, as a guy,
you're sort of like you're sort of like wanted to
break the rules a little bit more. And my older
sister was always more of the rebel like she was.

(12:01):
She was like she like acted bad and got sent
to private school and and so so like, but I
would always like to break the rules. I would go
and hang out with my buddy who went to a
different high school, and I would go hang out with
my older sister. So that was sort of like a
alliance where it's like, yo, don't tell mom and dad,
like we're gonna go hang out. And that was sort
of the thing. And Leslie by far as the most

(12:23):
golden child through like in terms of niceness to people,
it goes Lauren, Me, and then Leslie's like by far
the nicest. Okay, the babies. No, it's true, it's like
you've always been. I feel like we had to, like,
you know, be the lead blocker, you know, for you.
We made all the mistakes and then you just came
in and just like this is actually really true, you guys.

(12:44):
I didn't make as many mistakes because I watched what
they did, like I do not want to do that.
But then there were also some things that I was
like I did everything like yeah, I basically people did
call me Glenn's mini me forever because you just copied
everything that he did or you wanted to know she
was short and had alopecia. Okay, so this is interesting

(13:08):
because we're opposite, right, So you and I are similar.
We're middle children, and we only have siblings of the
opposite sex. And I always say like, I never had
a sister to really be able to emotionally connect with
in the way that you do as as a as

(13:29):
a woman. You know, you tell your sister everything, and
you and your sister probably talk about way more things
and more intimate things than you would with Glenn. I
think we talk about different things because Glenn probably knows
ninety nine point nine percent of my entire life. You
talk to him about. Dudes. Yeah, I'll tell him about it.
I tell him. I literally tell Glenn everything. Have you

(13:52):
ever You have obviously been here long for a brother, right,
I mean it's never been part of your things, a
group on like sports teams. But he's had held older
brothers and also tons of boy cousins who we were.
But I was really that's true, So I was never
had like somebody older that I was. Do you think
that you've gained something as a child from being around

(14:13):
with so many women, having two sisters. What do you
think it is? What? Yeah, I think I think I
think perspective on so much. Not only our dad has
like a psychia, you know, psychological background where he can
break things down, so not only being around women and
him essentially holding my hand walking me through, going Hey,

(14:36):
this is what's happening, here's the group dynamic that's going on,
here's stress behavior, blah blah blah. I think it just
kind of honed emotional intelligence in a way where I
don't even when I'm in a relationship, I tend to
not get rattled. Our dad can make so much situation
like chill, so explain what your parents do exactly. So,
my dad has a really interesting job where he's sort

(14:57):
of I mean the equivalent, like I think the easiest
way to describe it is the coolest part of his
job is that he's like the CEO saver. So when
there's a sort of an erratic CEO or someone who
has sort of group dynamic problems where they're the CEO
of a company and obviously very good at the technical

(15:20):
part of leading it, but not good at like inspiring
people around them and they're basically on the chopping block.
They'll send my dad in to say, hey, like, you're
on the chopping block. Board wants to let you go,
but if you want to whip your shit into shape,
I'll tell you how to inspire people around you and
turn it in. So he sort of like works with him.
He sort of works them over the course of a

(15:40):
year life sort of like a life coach. But for
I feel like I could, like, what's his background. He
was communication, Like he studied communication, and then he was
also a communications professor. And then this job, the job
that he does, wasn't around like when he started this job.
That was when basically that became a thing. So it

(16:02):
was a new career. And he worked with this company
for a long time and then he started his own
company and we call it Glenn polland Dependence Day we
celebrate it every year. But yeah, but he basically goes
into these companies and he figures out what each person
is really good at, or what their strengths and weaknesses,
or if someone's like a rules person. So say, like

(16:25):
you think taking a pencil home from work is stealing,
and I would take a pencil home any day to
do my work and bring it back. I'd fire the
person who thought that was stealing. Right. Well, that so
many people have different points of views, and so he
figures out how people think and why they think that way,
and then he helps them function better as a team.

(16:45):
Is he a psychologist. No, I don't think he has
a psychologist background. No, But like when we were growing up,
if we or even now, you call him with a
problem and he's like, hey, think about it this way.
Like they're thinking this way and they're in their stress
pavor and you're doing this. He goes, yeah, literally, you can't.

(17:05):
You can't be upset once he talks to you, because
he's so damn rational. Yeah. Have you ever seen them fight?
Our parents don't really fight. I've seen my dad. I've
seen my dad yell one time and it was when
we you, me and Lauren were all fighting in the
back seat. We were in Germany. We were all fighting
in the back seat about something dumb, and he goes,

(17:28):
if you guys don't stop it, I'm gonna stop on
the side of this highway and I'm gonna let you out.
And so Lauren was like, well okay, and she just
started like fighting again, and he goes get out of
the car. Literally, we let her out of the car.
This was the one time my daddy even like raised
his voice. Really he like doesn't real And so finally

(17:50):
Lauren learned a lesson. Though we dropped her off and
then he came back. So, so you, but you and
your sister do talk about everything. Glenn's kind of left
out of the which I'm sure, I mean, had you're
fine with that or do sometimes feel like, no, I'm good,
I'm yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't know that
that's that's something I didn't really need. Again, I sort
of as a I tend to figure shit out maybe fast,

(18:11):
maybe slow, whatever. But the fact that they had that dynamic,
I was never really aware of it. I just so
Dad basically raised you guys to be amazingly centered, happy,
great children. Mom let's talk about mom. So mom does
Mom just the greatest. She takes care of all of

(18:32):
like she just takes care of us as a whole.
And she does a lot of like my business affairs,
she does a lot of my brother's business affairs. Like
so she had she start out though, oh go for it.
My mom was the director of inner governmental Affairs, under
Reagan back back, and that's where my parents met, right,
this is when she slept with Reagan. Yes, this is anyway,

(18:53):
So that's why I'm such a good actor, as I've
modeled after my father, Ronald Reagan. This is what we're revealing, right, Yeah,
this is a weird some twenty three and Me gone wrong.
I mean we've talked about this. Actually, this was a
thing that was brought up in the family recently. So
my parents did twenty three and Me, but they didn't

(19:14):
press the ancestry button or whatever it is that says
like who everybody is and how they connect. Because you
keep hearing all these horror stories recently about random people
being like, you're not my dad, right, you're my son, Yeah,
you're my real life some random We didn't press that button.
Oh why not? Because Ronald Reagan, my father is no

(19:37):
longer with us, and I don't need to go through
that again. My dad got super depressed on the twenty
three and Me thing because he was telling everybody they
came to the set of Top Gun and he in
our trailer like he was. He was so excited to
tell us the results of that he has elite athlete potential,

(19:59):
muscle build right. So he was like, guys, all the
athletic stuff you got from me, and it's because I
have this, I have elite athlete potential, right. And then
all of a sudden, my mom gets hers back and
it also says elite athlete potential or whatever who she's
the most clumsy on athletic doesn't work out. And he
was like, this is shit. He's like, she got so depressed.

(20:21):
He's like all talked about worked for Reagan. I think
what was interesting is we had a really I don't
know how you felt about this, but I felt like
we had a really interesting point of view because they
were both in politics and sort of lean different ways
is and also because a lot of those figures sort
of came into our lives growing up. You had politicians

(20:41):
and representatives and sort of like she had a lot
of secret Service people that were sort of around. So
we had like an influx. And when we went to Washington,
d C. You sort of saw her world like we got,
you know, the real backstage tour and has access to
I mean, presidents have been out to the ranch and
you know, it's like Mom is very connected to all

(21:03):
that stuff. But I feel like we got a very
diverse point of view when it comes to dad, who
is more on the political machine type side of it,
and she was more on the treasury financial side of things.
And that probably doesn't explain it, but like I also,
I don't know, I feel like we got a pretty
good perspective to see actually how the machine works instead

(21:25):
of the sound bites that you get at parties, right
right right, you know what? And then for you guys
with two parents who kind of deal, like like you said,
kind of in this world. You get into the arts,
you're a singer, you write music, and Glen you are
the wind, but these mining I could never I just

(21:50):
do that every day? Is it kind of like that? Yeah?
Do you want to do? Yeah? Your parents were they
in the arts? Were they musical? Nothing? You guys all
and your sister is she what does she do? La?
Lauren was in you know, worked in legal stuff for
a while and then she was just kind of never

(22:11):
really that driven on a lot of things. I mean,
whatever she put her mind to, she could do it
really well, you could do well, but she was never
happy doing it. Yeah, And it wasn't until she became
a mom that I think, like I've seen her at
like peace. Literally she was made to be a mom.
She's the greatest mom ever. But like it's there, yeah
that I mean, yeah, it's the hardest job in the world. Yeah.

(22:34):
So you guys ended up getting into the arts. You
were you always a songwriter? No? I actually got so,
Glenn and I did. We started in the String Project,
which was violin. We both played violin for a long time.
And and then when I got in too high school,
Glenn encouraged me to do a creative writing class and

(22:56):
he was like, you you play music, Like, just try this,
maybe you're good. I was like, I'm not a good writer.
And then I did it and he was like less,
like this is pretty good. You should like do it.
So literally it's stemmed from high school when he encouraged
me to do that, and then I the greatest brother, right.
I mean, did you guys ever fight? Did you ever?

(23:16):
Did you ever not like her? Or are you always
still encouraging like go and win? And maybe I think
on the big things, Like big things, life's hard if
you don't have your family lean back on. There was
one time I got really mad at her. We were
we we were having dessert and were all everybody was
sharing dessert and I bit into this like awesome bite,

(23:38):
and I was like, you know, I was like, oh
my god, there's like a prune in here or something.
And Leslie had taken her gum oh and put it
on the dessert thing, and so I was just I
just took a big bite of ice cream and was
just chewing her gum graving it, like what is this?
What is this thing? And I remember I was like
I literally was like puting for a new sister after

(24:01):
that moment. Not like a germophobe, but I definitely like
it's not cool to like ros this is as bad
as that is pretty gross. I mean so basically you
were so then you were like, you know, he's a
great brother. No, He's the best brother in the world.
He's always been like my biggest fan. I've always been

(24:21):
his biggest fan, and like watching him do what he
does in his career, it's like he did everything before
I'm doing it. I'm three years behind him, and so
any like terrible day i have or question in what
I'm doing, He's like, oh, He's like I've been there,
Like let me tell you, and he like, we'll coach
me through it and it's the best. I love you.

(24:46):
I love you, so Glenn's the best older brother. I'm
so jealous. I just I wish I hadn't. All while
we've talked about this, but if there were a brother competition,
I would have won it, I know, but I made her.
It's not I know, it's not competition. We've talked about
this before because because I was an asshole to her,

(25:07):
she felt like she then needed to step up her
ship right and become a force, become a powerful woman independent.
You know, maybe she had to, you know, use he
likes to think it's him. But I would have given
you the love that you needed. You wouldn't be nearly

(25:29):
as successful as you are today. That you we will
we will never know, We will never know. But what
a lovely thing to have the support like that growing up.

(25:50):
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all right, I'm leaving Texas. Your sister went into law school. Yeah,
so Lauren was working at a law firm by that point, right, Okay,

(28:46):
you came out here to be at you became a
many I was a manny, You were a man right,
you were You were staying in a bel air house awesome,
teaching their kids how to play sports yep, for stupid
amount of money. No. No, I was staying at this
a state for a bed basically, but I had like
guest bedrooms and I had like my own pool. Yeah,

(29:08):
Like it was crazy. Did you house it and stuff
like that when they were out of town? But there's
no had a staff of like twelve. How did you
meet these people? Again? So it's just it's just friends
of friends, like family friends that we kind of grew
up around, but like I didn't really know them on
a personal level. How old were you when? When when
you when you moved to LA And oh I was
nineteen and so you were sixteen or your sixteen seventy? Still? Yeah,

(29:32):
I high school. But I've only been here a year,
So like he moved like way before I did. Oh
you've only been in LA for a year. Oh that's
the thing is, like I did the lead blocking like
I established, I established, you know, rooting here. Yeah, it
took me five years to get like a meeting and
then she just like she's literally taken over the town
in less than a year. It's crazy to watch. What

(29:54):
are you doing? She sings her ass off. No, I know,
I know, I know, But you taking me in writing.
So I write music for I write pop music and
all different genres, and then I license it to TV
and film and advertisements, and then write for other people
and then sing and then sing, and then I do
my own thing. So it's really fun. Like he's basically

(30:14):
living the life I wish I would have lived. Do
you sing stuff like this girl you are to me
what a perfect woman should be and a dead love
song iry in this podcast, And it's happening. It's happening.
You guys don't even know. So you came to So,

(30:36):
you came to La. You became a manny you started auditioning. Uh,
Denzel Washington's Asian ed La motto who is? But that's
why he was the guy that convinced me to come
out here. And Denzel and then I became a many
was trying to just get jobs and that was like
two years of basically not auditioning and just getting shut

(30:59):
down and then ed passed away. Yea, after I had
after passed away. He was like literally my guardian angel,
the guy that I talked to every day, the reason
that I was out here, and it was the first
time in this town that I felt like alone. I was.
I was in a really bad and then all of
a sudden, I that family got a divorce and I
like moved up to like a garage and van eyes

(31:20):
and was like living up there, and I when I
had to get to my door, I had to like
pass like a barking dog that was trying to bite
me all the time. And I didn't have AC and
it was the middle of the summer, and I was
getting sued because I got unemployment benefits and then I
found out like residual checks were going back so I
made no money, and then I was also getting sued
by California. Wow, it was just a bummer. You know,
life is just like really tough and it just wasn't

(31:42):
working out and all that all those dreams of who
you thought you were gonna be just sort of You're like, shoot,
like I've always believed in myself like nobody else, and
I was willing to do what it takes. But it
was like the first time I was like, who I
got to strap in for this? This is gonna be
It's gonna be right. No, you're probably getting to that
age where you're like, oh, is this going to be
my career? Am I gonna is this going to be

(32:03):
a failure? Yeah? You sort of start making uh versions
where you're like, okay, I may not be you go, okay,
I want to be be a trade tom cruise, right,
And then you're like, maybe all right, maybe I'll be
like alright, maybe I'll be that guy in the in
the background that gets punched by my mission impossible, Like no,

(32:24):
I no, I get it. It's it's it's the age
old Hollywood story. But then every once in a while
one slips through the cracks and you end up getting
a break. And your break was I'd probably say my
break was Expendables was probably the the one that I
had kind of no business being in, but I got
a shot and it put me on a poster with

(32:45):
a bunch of of guys. I've been idolizing my whole life.
And did you have that thing like the brad Pitt like,
I'm gonna dress in a chicken suit if I have
to to, like make it kind of thing for you
or you like I'll do anything, Like I'll just you
know when you know when you can. Here was like
I'll take any job. I mean, there's there's obviously a
line of like what i'll do for money? Is there? No,

(33:07):
there's not. Oliver, But now that I'm past it, I
feel like I feel like he'd be in the chickens. No.
I mean at the end of the day, like to
make money, it's like be out here, you sort of
have to have no sort of pride about what you're doing.
I remember getting I applied to the Beverly Hills Hotel
as a as a towel boy, and I got the job,

(33:28):
and I was really pumped about it. And I got
fired after a week because because I had not gotten
any auditions. I had no auditions for a long time,
and then all of a sudden, the week that I
got the job, that I was like, all right, I
got it. I gotta make money. I got like three
auditions and so I was like, hey, it's my boss,
Like hey, I got another audition, and he's like, hey,

(33:49):
I heard a cowboy, not an actor. I'm like, well,
I don't want to be a towboy for the rest
of my life. But also like this is not normal. Yeah,
and so that's what I was like, all right, there
were and then you do odd jobs for people, you know,
you work on sets, is different things and just try
to you know, make ends meet. But again that was
that was where when that do or die moment happened

(34:10):
in Van Eyes, where I was like I was at
the end of my ropes. I remember my grandfather died.
I was being sued by California. I like there was
a big job that I thought I was going to
get that I didn't get. It looked like my agent
was probably gonna drop me. And it was just like
one thing after another, and the dog that had basically
been chasing me my entire journey to my door back
and forth with his skate was just sitting between like

(34:32):
I was just like pettigab and I was like crying
on the back thing, and I was just like this sucks.
This sucks, you know, you know, and I just I
just remember, it's just it's good to look back on
those moments, because not that those moments are over. It's
not like I'm totally out of the woods, but I
definitely feel really lucky because I know exactly where I
could be. Yeah, no, it's true. And and I think too,

(34:54):
It's like one of those things where, you know, Kurt
always said to me, I remember when I was acting
all time when I was younger, and he goes, well,
hold on a second, you know, because I said, I
really want to audition. I was still in high school
and they wouldn't let me do it. And Kurt said,
let me ask you a question, you know, like how
much do you want to be an actor? Like do
you want to be an actor? Because there's this sort
of success, this idea of success or like would you

(35:17):
be happy in Nebraska and community theater performing? And I
remember saying to p I'm like, well, obviously if I
I mean, obviously I want to have success. I mean
that goes out saying, but like, I don't think I'd
ever not be able to be on a stage in
some capacity. I have to do it, you know, Like
I still haven't sang right, I don't care who listens,

(35:40):
who's there. I could it could be all of her, like,
but I would it would be hope not. He's like,
and he knows this about every time I come into case, like,
he plays new song I wrote, and I'm like, oh, okay,
I just I gotta go. I gotta pick up the
kids and I gotta go. Hold on, I gotta play
this song. I'm like, ize performing send it to all

(36:09):
of it. I felt like lights in my studio. The
success shouldn't be what determines how much you love something,
because then you'll be miserable. Because this is one of
the hardest careers to have a sustained success in period.

(36:31):
You know, I either say if you want to be
an actor, you're either you have to be a little
bit crazy. You just have to because it's not It's
not a grounded right, You're not around grounded people. You're
not in a grounded world. No, and same with you.
So here you come two kids coming from very grounded parents,
and now you say, I'm going to be a musician.

(36:53):
So when was that that you actually connected to it
being other than Glenn kind of being your cheerleader. But like,
this this is what is this is my calling. I
have to do this. I went to Nashville for the
first time my sophomore year of college and there was
this family that basically adopted me and let me also
stay in their guest house. And there I had a mentor.

(37:14):
His name was aj Masters, and he had written all
these old country hits and he kind of took me
under his wing and was like, I think you can
do this like he and if I did well in
a session, he'd take me into another session. But he
was like the only person I really knew in Nashville,
and I met him randomly through somebody, and so then
I kept going session to session. I was like, this

(37:34):
is awesome. And then I realized I didn't want to
do country music after like three years, because I just
it's not me right. But he gave you a foundation.
But he gave me a foundation. He taught me how
to write, He taught me how to think. Well, the
great country writers are the great storytellers. There's storytellers, and
that's what it is. And I think being here it's different.
They start with a melody here and a beat, and

(37:56):
then in Nashville it's always about the story. So it's
cool coming here have both. And I think they always
used to tell me like, you think too much, You
think too much, and it was because I was always
thinking about story. I think that's ingrained in me from Nashville.
So what has been the most challenging part of coming
to LA for you? I switched my I switched my
entire trajectory. I wanted to be an artist my entire life,

(38:18):
and like was doing that and then started realizing when
I came here. I met this manager and he was
so great, and he set me up with his team
of writers and was like, just see how you do.
And so I came and I started really liking pop music.
So I switched over to pop. And then I realized,
like he sat me down one day and was like,
do you really want to be on tour for three

(38:40):
hundred days a year? And I was like nope, Like
do you like all of these things? I think he
said that. And then when I was in Nashville, they
kept telling me that I kept writing different styles of
music and they'd be like, why are you writing urban?
Why aren't you writing country? And then I'd write like

(39:00):
a pop thing and they'd be like, what, just pick something,
pick pick, And I could never pick and that was
like my biggest weakness. They're like, you're never going to
be anything if you don't pick. And when I got here,
that became my biggest strength, writing for TV and film,
and so I switched my entire life to being an
artist into writing for TV and film and advertising and

(39:23):
like that whole world. But I don't know anyone in
that world, so I had I've been just navigating my way,
meeting people and meeting writers who write in that vein.
But you be really lucky. I mean you got it.
I mean you got a song England in the set
it up? Right? You have a song? Nah, then you
have two more songs coming out right. Yeah, I've been

(39:44):
really fortunate, and I have luckily made great friends in
the film supervision world that have been so good to me.
And I just had a Wendy's commercial come out, which
is so fun. Dave's like double or something five dollar
double and you wait, so hold on, this is interesting.
You wrote what part of the just a jingle? It's

(40:05):
not a jingle, so I basically write pop music and
then they'll license it. Okay, So you wrote something for
Wendy's and someone performed it or did you perform it?
And so you're on when the Wendy's commercial. Yeah, that's awesome. Oh,
this is something that I love. You put everybody in
the movies, so like they're always in the movies that
you're in. Yes, how do you have you ever been?

(40:27):
Has there been any movie that they're not in? I've
sort of worked my way up to putting them in
every movie, and now they're sort of expectation that they're
in the movies. Who though like my mom, my dad,
Leslie's I'm usually not in them? Are you not in
most one? Laura? I mean mom and dad are like

(40:50):
mom and dad. I guess they're mostly in them in
every single wims A Superstar? How do you do that? Though?
I mean you just sort of you just sort of
sneaking into exception. Yeah, it's yeah. But now I've gotten
to the point where I can sort of come up
with like a gimmick, Like I'll read the script and
be like, all right, there's a crowd scene. They're not

(41:10):
going to be totally isolated. I will put them as
like I'll pitch a funny gimmick to the director or whatever.
I'll be like, hey, what about this funny gimmick, And
like that I can do where they're not going to talk,
so they have to be like sag. My Mom's seconically sag,
but like you're so it's dead right anyway, they're there
where they're not talking so they don't have to pay them, right,

(41:30):
but enough where they have like a fun gimmick where
they're featured and stuff. So when Top Gun, we're like Tom, listen, Okay,
I got a pitch, Mom will be like a meg.
She's dressed, she's in the plane. That's actually really she's
just like a rogue state pilot. It's like the volleyball scene. Yeah,

(41:56):
but there is a volleyball scene. We won't talk about that.
Tell me, I'm assuming, of course, I'm assuming in Top
Gun too, there has to be. Of course there's a
volleyball scene. And you know how fucking oiled up this
dude probably got, you know how happy he was to
be that oiled up? Oh my god. Here's what I
like to say. I have a feeling that Tom Cruise

(42:19):
is probably was for like your number one pretty much.
That is great. Yeah, And this is like, I mean,
if if Glenn was to do something that was like
a dream come true, it is to work with Tom.
This is in Top Gun. Leslie showed me an Instagram
post the other day where I literally on my Instagram

(42:42):
was one of my first posts. It was the day
Top Gun came out and I literally wished Maverick a
happy birthday on my Instagram, Like this is crazy, this
is full circle. Wait how old were you when Instagram
came out? I mean, how old were you when you
did this? Was a lady? Wait no, no, this was
like Maverick's like birthday or something. And I know, but

(43:04):
how old were three years ago? Oh? This is like
grown probably probably too old to be doing this ship
but yeah, that's a pretty childish thing you did as
a grown man. But what's Maverick's birthday? Was A don't
like it was how do you know what it is?
He just said, May that's itself. Is it's birthday or

(43:28):
mav actual, it's it's the day, it's the day. I
think it's the day it came out, right, the release date.
I remember the post that you There was one post
that Wyatt and I were so excited for you because
we were like, he's so happy right now, and it
was with the aviators on. It was the top Gun

(43:48):
full on post you had the yes, well, I was
so get this. I was so excited about that and
I got immediately in trouble for that was like first,
like minutes after getting this movie, Oh my god, I
post because I'm wanted to be in this movie my
entire life. I went and research this. I went down
to Miramar, I went down to North Island. I went

(44:09):
to Edwards Air Force Base. I was around planes. I
was learning everything, so that when I walked in there
with Tom and Jerry and Joe, I knew everything there
was to know about naval aviation. So I had a
picture with an F thirty five two months before I
even auditioned that I was with all these guys talking
about so I took I posted this picture of me
on my own research with this thirty five. I was

(44:32):
like so pumped and like literally the hey, Tom just
saw that and he's like really not happy. I was like, God,
this movie, Oh my god. I The weird thing is
is that I'm as like top Gun is maybe my
favorite movie. Like to me, top Gun was where I
learned everything that I know, Like I wanted to be.

(44:53):
I wanted to be like Kelly McGillis and she was sexy,
and then that whole sex scene. I was like, oh
my god, that was where I learned, learned so much
with the tongue. Yes, yeah, that was crazy my first crush.
So I understand. So you have a man crush on
Tom Cruise. I mean this is Tom's also like the
dude that number one has sort of lasted longer than

(45:16):
anybody like because he's just like fearless and cool and whatever.
It also makes his own stuff and develops it and
it's like the nicest nice to people. He's got Like
this workout trailer like before he set, the guy has
done all the pain cave and he literally has all

(45:37):
these like modern things in there where he's defying. What
does Tom Cruise smell like? But for real, like, I
mean what did he say? From beyond? That's what you
have When you have two sisters, you can reference things
like Maria. But wait a minute, for real though, because

(46:00):
had been closed to Hawaiian. That's a Hawaiian Is it
a Hawaiian smell? Yeah, that's like Hawaiian full disclosure. You've
been like you've been close to him and like he's
your idol? Can I just talk about something really quickly? Yeah,
when you grow up with like brothers and sisters, and
there's some smells that smell really good, but because they
always now follow a bad bathroom smell, they're rooined for you. Yes,

(46:22):
Like I hate the smell of vanilla candles. Yeah it
smells like pooped right, because you associated I always buy
you vanilla candles. Yeah, you know what I mean. Now
I don't because I'm the girl lighting the candle in
the ship smelling bathroom. Because you guys are shutting up
the place. I'm just saying no, there's no to me.

(46:42):
The vanilla is like a savior. Yeah, I'm gonna agree
with that. You know what I mean. You never walk
into a bathroom and you're like, smells like vanilla far
Yeah yeah, do dash I used it last night. It

(47:07):
was so easy, and I loved my sprite Sprite, I
was going to go more to flight, I was trying
to find. I loved it so much that my soul
took flight was kind of like where I was going
with it. But my brain just my brain sometimes doesn't
move fast enough when I'm doing my freestyling. DoorDash Oliver,

(47:32):
I love my DoorDash app. I loved supporting our local restaurants,
especially during this time. I'm a foodie, so I know
a lot of friends in the restaurant business. It's been
a crazy time and so at least once or twice
a week we order out and DoorDash is a great
way to do that. Yes, we still need to keep

(47:54):
supporting our local restaurants, for sure. It feels like this
coronavirus has been going on and on and on, and
it has and we need to keep keep supporting your
local restaurants. Danny. Danny is sitting here, you know he does.
He does all of our social media, and he is
whispering in my ear how much he loves door dash

(48:16):
That is his number one. I'm just going to explain.
I know everyone seems to we think that everyone knows
how it all works, but I just want to explain
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you want to eat, and your food will be left
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drop fuck. Ordering is easy. Open the door Dash app,

(48:37):
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delivery drop off setting. Oh that's good. That was good.
That was That was a tongue twister. I know, but
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(48:59):
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Don't forget. That's code sibling for five dollars off your
first order with door Dash. Of all of the kids,
who's the most like dad? Who's the most like mom?
It's a great question. I literally think we have. I

(49:41):
think my temperament is like dad. But also I don't know.
I don't have to answer this question. Yeah, I found
that even growing up. Really I want to be a Powell. Yeah,
you guys. But again, this is the funny part, is
that we all should go down to Texas and get
rowdy because our families are so like the things that matter,
those like foundational pillars that make a great family function

(50:05):
like y'all's is very similar to what makes ours function.
We do sounds like we're like different on certain subjects.
We we both we all fart uh we we speak.
We covered up with plumeris sounds like you guys covered
up with vanilla. I am surprised Glenn is as funny
as he is based on the fact that you've had

(50:25):
such a great childhood, because like most people who are
funny have kind of fucked up childhood. I'll say this, though,
the entire family is gives each other such ship that
you you have to have really thick skin, right, You're
actually used to have yeh, problems with it as a
kid because you're very You're very sensitive. And whenever, like

(50:48):
the cousins start giving each other ship, it is it
is ruthless to the point where they're they're they're poking
to problem daily, Like if you don't have thick skin,
you're just gonna cry. All well, we would do a
talent show after dinner, Like at the ranch, there's a
there's a stage after dinner, everybody would go do a
talent show. She would like sing, I would like play

(51:09):
fart noises on my armpit or something, because I have
a real talent. What you do is you would have
to sort of defend yourself in front of the court,
so to speak. And like make people laugh even though
your talent's kind of like lame or whatever. Like you
sort of well that's where the performing came from. You
were like almost forced to do it, and it was
it was sort of like it sounds like amazing for

(51:30):
it was like it was like the Gong Show. Would
your parents with the with the with the crowdy brutally on,
It's like, ah, brutally like people would cry and and
people get so heated to the I'm gonna do this
sort of stunt or this sort of trick and like
they would do something like try to do a backflip
off the top of the rafter and like land on

(51:52):
their neck. We'd all go to the hospital like they
were every year, every really every year. So we always
had a family football game too, and somebody broke a
bone every single year. Family football game. Sounds great, You
guys were all out football. Huh oh. We don't mess
around it comes to football. So Oliver and I used
to do productions every Christmas. Production Does that mean we

(52:18):
would put a little like story play together when we
were kids. We would play it out in front of
the whole family and Kurt would then be everyone would
clap like yay, and then Kurt would go, I don't
understand what this, like what happened? And we could be

(52:40):
like five years old, yeah, and we go you know,
what do you mean, paup, And he'd be like there's
no plot, guys, like I don't know, like who's who?
What's the plot? What just happened? And we would all
sit there like deer in it head, like like all
of I told you we should have done, like no,

(53:01):
that's not yeah. Then he asked us to go back
upstairs and look at the story and talk about like
what it was that we really wanted to get across,
like what and come back and perform it again. That's incredible.
It's like the Sun Dance lap. We were so excited,

(53:23):
like oh my god, and we were like we did
and then it was like, no, we're good enough kids.
We're like, we don't want to rework the scene. I
didn't see truth. That's so because that's that's actually I
was thinking about that with you guys. You guys have
amazing resources of people that have done it before and

(53:45):
probably would have a higher bar than our family was
just sort of clapping. There was one time where we
had like this big party at the house and was
like all of my family's friends and Leslie was in
Annie at the time. And Leslie, you know, was just
so good at singing that song Tomorrow at the time,
and she just crushed it and so and my parents

(54:05):
were so proud so that they would make her sing
it everywhere. And I told Leslie, I said, in the
middle of the song, what you need to do is
just go prace Lucifer right so right when you're about
to hit the high fel like I didn't know. I
didn't know that bad. I didn't know anything. And I
was like, okay, sure you did it. I did it.
I was liked and I was like lud laughing, so

(54:34):
so weird, like the joke was only for me, like
no one else got one thought. I was like the devil. Oh.
Annie was my favorite too. My mom used to do
the same thing. Well, but it sounds like your parents
actually like wanted you to perform. We're a lot of
I think parents in this business pushed their kids away
from that. Do you find that they were fine? You know, no,

(54:57):
they were fine. They were fine, except unless we were
They wanted us to be kids. I mean, that was
really important like a pressure one way or the other.
For them, it was like you will know whatever, you
will do what you want to do. As long as
you do at one hundred and fifty percent and you're
committed and you love it, that's what we'll support you in.
And we I'm in movies, yeah, Ollie would. Olie was

(55:18):
like the creator, yeah, cameras, filters. I mean every weekend
making movies. And everything was gore. Everything was horror, everything
was comedy horror. I mean that's like was our genre.
But I think I think let's bring it back to
like growing up that when you know, well, I guess
what were you guys doing when you were growing up?

(55:38):
You're playing, you were doing the same stuff. I littlely
had a camera with me at all times. On family vacations.
I would actually one of my favorite things was like
we usually you'd film like a movie or something like
we're at a beach. I'd film like boc O bay
Watch and be like some like thriller about your get
eaten by a shark jump in the water, and I'd
be like Terri Botom like, oh, but the same kind

(56:02):
of thing. There was my favorite piece of footage that
we have as a family is when we were we
were in We're in England and we're staying with a
family outside of London and they had this real kind
of emo kid was ten years old and we have
love when like different kids from weird families enter the

(56:23):
equation of like the strong unit. This was this guy.
This guy had no like very sweet family. This kid
was like the wild card. And my dad being my
dad being like, hey, more, more, the merrier we have.
We have a five five people in our family. And
he goes, would you want to come to London with us?
He goes, yeah, okay, and we're like, we have no
room for this, okay. So we put my little sister

(56:45):
in the trunk right, and her head is sticking outside
the little the little drop down thing like in the
middle of it. So Leslie's head is out the middle
and basically the other guy's like sitting here, my sister's
here being like, what's happen. So we're driving down the
road and I'm interviewing my dad because he's in the

(57:05):
right seat, not the left, and I'm like, hey, dad,
has the vacation going so far? He's like it's all good,
and he's like he's like we're having a great and
you turn and you literally see inframe a rain drover
like right in front of our car. He gets swerved
on accident the other way, and all of a sudden
he turns back. He goes, oh my gosh, and turns it.
Everyone in the car screamed. But because the way he turned,

(57:28):
my camera goes like this, and all you see for
the entire like next thirty seconds is my little sister's
disembodied head just because she has no idea what's going on.
As we go into a field. Oh, you actually go
into like literally ramped it into. It's the screaming and
then I'm screaming because I can't anything, and like we

(57:51):
get in this field and then this kid, this kid
thinks he's gonna die. He hasn't said a word. He's
like terrified of everything happening. And then we get out
of the car. At the very end of my dad
being like the funny guy he is, he's like, so
it's standard to tip the driver when you know, after
like ride, and the kid, after not saying a word

(58:14):
for the entire like day, he goes, you gotta beginning me.
He's like, I'm not gonna dip your almost killed all
of us. He was like, oh my god, losing his mind.
I loved it. And he's like your daughters and your dad.
Well wait, so you would film. You were constantly filming.
It was where you got so you always wanted to

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do what I did, which was like you'd be in
anything and do whatever you wanted. And the older older
sister was she involved or she's like whatever, she did
her own thing. She was in like a few of them,
I think what movies, Yeah, but I don't think she
did most of them. Yeah, Oh you mean like family movies. Yeah, yeah,
not like the ones like not the ones like we
filmed secrets. Were always drawn to writing, creating you music

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and you and when you have written now a couple
of movies, So who's your writing? So my writing partners,
guy named john O, Matt and Johano and I'm both
snuck into the Golden Globes. Actually, when Cord was on Glee,
it was like second or third season of and I
was just his roommate, and so he just snuck his
ticket back to me. Johno was the assistant for somebody

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on Glee and put his name into the system to
get into this party, and so we both were like
the only guys that were like not important and definitely
not on the show. It had nothing to do with
the show. And we just started talking to each other
at the at the bar and he said he was
a writer, and he was like, oh, I wrote a
screenplay about the World's for a submarine. I was like, oh,
the Hunley. He's like, how would do you know that?
And I was like I watched the documentary about it.
And we just started talking. I give him notes on

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some stuff and this one screenplay that he started writing,
I give him notes and he's like, would you just
want to write this with me? And now we just
have sort of merged our creative brains and now we
have a real fast system. What is your ultimate goal
as a actor? Creator, director? Like, where do you see
yourself in fifteen years from now? If you could accomplish

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everything you want to accomplish and physically taken over the
mission impossible for that's, by the way, it's so funny.
It's so funny because somebody who made that joke on
Top Top gun like talking to Tom and they're like, oh, man,
like maybe one of these guys is going to take
over the Mission franchise. He's like, no, no, Like literally,
I can't think of like a worse job than taking

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over Mission. Impossible, trying to like one up stunts, right,
I'm hearing Chris McCrory, who's the director of Mission, is
on set and he and Tom are constantly talking about
the next stunts, the next set pieces, and I can't
think of a more I mean, we're flying real f
eighteens to this movie and going the speed of sound
fifty feet of the ground. Yeah, that's just that's like

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literally what they're brainstorming, right is what is the craziest thing.
And it's like I can't imagine that sort of pressure,
Like the next movie I already get like butterflies be
like what's gonna happen? Scares me? It scares me, But
you know, I think I think the the thing I'm
excited about is that I feel like Leslie and my
worlds are sort of starting to collide, collide and merge

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where I'm you know, I'm now finally getting to the
point where I can like I'm working with the people
I've always wanted to work with, and like people want
to develop with me and and with her, stuff like
her stuff is cooking, and like I always want to
do like a musical, Like I'm like we grew up
on musicals and things like that, and like kind of
converging those two worlds. Actually, we should totally do that

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the Wendy's musical Double Sack, Double Sack. It's called we
should just do a musical short and it's just about
an ordering experience at Wendy's. So your guys's worlds are

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colliding and you feel like now you're actually getting an
opportunity to work with your sister. Well because independently, like
the set it up, the way that happened was like
not me, like she independently, Like I obviously was like
hoping it happened, but like that thing happened independently of me,
and like the people that she's connecting with, it's all

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they're they're part of my world. But I don't know
music supervisors, Like that's not what I do. And I'm
just seeing like her ability to create songs out of
literally nothing and to just go, I have a concept,
I'll write a song about it, and the way people
respond to it. These people are getting paid millions of
dollars for these things and the people that I'm developing
certain projects with. That's one of the most complicated parts

(01:02:40):
of the equation that are really tough to fear out music. Yeah,
so I've noticed this a lot. You know, you do
end up working with your sibling. It's like you know
them better than anybody. If you really believe in your
sibling and what they can do, especially if you're a creative,
you want to work with each other. You know, nice
must be nice. I think I think with that, you

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do know each other so well and you know how
each other's brains work, which for us, like anytime we
get a chance, we always are like ping ponging ideas
off of each other totally, and so like to be
able to do that in a creative way, like in
an actual film, not just like a song or something. Yeah,
it would be so cool. Yeah, I think that's our dream,

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is like just to work together and like have a
company where I run music, he runs the production. My
brothers do whatever they can to get away from doing that. Well,
because I sit in a room and I ping waiting
for a pong bad company. I'm just pinging, ping, ping ping.
It's not true. It's not true. Let's do some of

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these rapids who broke the rules more obviously you did.
I broke the rules. I just didn't break him as
much as Glenn and Lauren. Mom also caught Glenn sneaking
out one time, and he had literally had this entire plan.
He like opened the garage, put a bike like underneath,
and our driveways like this. My mom knows everything. This

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like steep, yeah, yeah, step just an awkward risk. I
forgot that you can't see and it was super steep,
and like Glenn was halfway on the drive and my
mom just opens up her window and it's like Glenn,
She's like, where do you think you're going? And he
was like back in the house. And then she didn't

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come down. She didn't like scold him. She just like
he knew, don't she's terrified. Don't mess with her her kids. Yeah,
she knew everything. Like do you hide things from if
your parents were like Glenn, have you done ecstasy? Like
would you say to your parents like yeah, I mean
I like, actually, this is a good segment where I

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play Glenn's I play your guys, dad and your mom
and we're grilling them on the tough questions. Oh right,
and then you would answer them? How answer them? Do
you make it just like a little little softer and
more earring hearing? Yeah? Lord like more Ronald Reagany, did

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you are you? I would, I would totally tell my
dad stuff like that. You absolutely when it comes to
those sort of things. I don't think our parents are
very cool and chill when it comes to those sort
of things. You feel like they've actually, in our entire lives,
have fostered this like thing of just be honest. Like
they gave us freedom when we were younger, but they
were like, if you get in trouble, it's going to

(01:05:42):
be your fault. We're not bailing out. You're an adult.
Do you do you like make your decision sound really similar?
It's kind of crazy. Who calls the other more? You
call me more? Yeah? Uh? In the morning, it's usually
about song ideas. Uh, I call you about everything. Do

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you talk to him? You guys talk every day multiple times?
Do we talk every day? No? No? Across? Who gets
the last word in during an argument? I mean it
sounds like you don't have an argue, not that much really,
but who would get the last word? Something's weird. Something's

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gotta be Lauren Lauren would get the last word Lauren.
For of Lauren is an amazing arguer. Oh, she's a lawyer,
so it's like she's she can dismantle you and make
it hurt. Out of the three of you, who teams
up more? I would probably say it was the two
of us, you guys. Yeah, Lauren's a team of her own.

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But that shifted because once upon a time it was
and you and Lauren. Yeah, Lauren, Lauren likes In my opinion,
I think she likes being on her own. She's independent.
She could take on anyone's Yeah, do you love Leslie
more than Lauren? No? I love you do. What would

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Glenn choose? Cold weather or warm weather? Warm weather? Warm
dog or cats dog? Dog? Salty or sweet salty? No,
she's guessing for you. Oh you're guessing for me? Correct? Yeah,
so far she's like four four beach your mountains beach correct?

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Beetles or stones? Stones, beetles, beetles? Oh, burgers are dogs? Dogs? Correct?
Bowling or miniature golf? Miniature golf correct? Roller skaters segway
roller skate seg What do you think I could would be?

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It's a whole common We had actually dancing before we
did an interpretive dance on Segwe have an off roading
segue at the lake house headphones or boombox headphones if
it's on a plane headphones anywhere else, probably boombox. That's

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that's accurate. Yeah, you know what he drives. I read
an article about it, Jaguar jag. That's right, right. I
read an article in my research for Glenn, and it
was Glenn the movie star to be pulls up messy
hair aviators that were painted onto his eyes. Oh my gosh,

(01:08:44):
vente Starbucks lingering in his cup holder. Jesus lonely forks
brother lonely for That's what he said. What Glenn's go
to karaoke song? Probably like Tim McGraw or something that's good.
I usually choose like a Disney song. Okay, dance move,

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go to dance move. Oh god, he's got so many
you can't even I don't know. Okay, it's a hard one.
It's the one. It's the one that Mom the mom
for sure, Mom's signature dance move. Yeah, yeah, you're right.
Can we get like Mom doing this and put it
on our excellent Okay, if he could quote one movie

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from start to finish, what would it be top gun hilarious, true,
or like blazing childhood crush. Oh, Haley Conrad. Oh, I mean,
but now let's German a celebrity crush. Yeah? Very I

(01:09:52):
actually have no idea what that is. What is it?
Jennifer love Hewitt? Okay, name a TV or show that
he loved so much that would maybe be embarrassing. We
loved Seventh Heaven. Oh yeah, and now Jeff Stultz is
one of our good friends and was like the man.

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I was like, that guy's so cute. And then when
I finally realized it, after probably knowing him for a year,
I was like, wait a second, you were on Seventh Heaven. Yeah,
we loved that. Now you got to do this for
your sister. Cold or warm weather warm? Yeah? Dog or
cats dog? Yeah? Salt your sweet sweet? Yeah. Beach or mountains?

(01:10:36):
Beach actually mountains mountains. You don't like the beach. I
like the beach. I just would rather be active on
the mountain. Beatles are stones, stones, Burgers are hot dogs? Yeah, burgers, yeah.
Bowling or minister golf golf? Yeah, roller skates or segue.
I mean that's kind of I guess. I mean, I

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assume segues but this rollerblading thing really me for a loop.
We have so kate the first roller skating go to
karaoke song for your sister, see you definitely not Sea.
What's the one, Missy Elliott? Yeah? I was taking like

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jellom the boys say hello because I know no Oh
my god? Yeah, yeah, she knows everywhere to that song. Glenn,
if your sister could quote one movie from start to finish,
what would it be? Don't be weird about this, but
maybe how to Lose a Gat. I was just about
to say how to Lose you. Yes, I was gonna

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say that. I love it. That's fun. Good guy celebrity crush,
childhood celebrity crush, because I was like kind of in
the Jonathan Taylor Thomas like era. You kind of watched
all those shows with us, But I don't remember who
your crush was? Who was your crush? I mean I
always thought Ashton Kutcher was cute, and then I also
thought Ryan Reynolds was like those are kind of like

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modern ones. So you watched that seventy show. He also
had some fun movies if you could now we we
we asked this to everyone, but it morphs itself. But
if you could change one thing about the other right
giving them something that you wish they had that would
elevate something, or if you could shift something in their life,

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what would it be? I'm thinking, I'm thinking for you,
I truly, I truly wish that I could be a
better conduit to good men in your life, because I
actually do find that good guys probably do come around,
and I do think I am intimidating on that front
for a lot of guys that do come around because
I am a strong like and I'm not trying to

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scare anybody. I'm just a terrifying individual. Obviously, you guys,
you guys feel it wing around me, the fear that
I instilled in Pa, I do. No. I just think
that guys like obviously like I find that if the
wrong guys have a confidence to go around her, but
the right guys probably don't have the balls. Does that

(01:13:07):
make sense? I what I would change about you is
I just wish you'd introduce me to the right guys.
So yeah, that's good if you can make that. I'm
with Yeah, I also have a high bar. There's nothing
never change the high bar, but like, get on it. Okay,
So what what But what would be one thing you
would change other than him introducing you to Is there
anything was the anying about Glenn that like if you

(01:13:28):
were if you had this, you would elevates a good word.
It would elevate you. There's one there would be one thing.
But then I would also never want to take this
away because I think it makes it who he is
would be He's so trusting of every single He's like
he really genuinely is every single person has his best
interest at heart, and because he's a good person, and

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I think that's gonna sometimes people don't and I don't
want ever want him to get screwed over, So like
that would be something like but then also that's what
makes you who you are, is like actually genuinely believing
people are good. It's like you don't want to take
that away, but you also is like like I wonder
if that's maybe a child. Have you been burned? Though? No,

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I've definitely gotten to like business side of things. I've
definitely learned lessons the hard way with certain people, and
you do learn what you can trust and what you
can't trust. I don't, but I don't feel like those
are lessons that have I've had to like I don't
go shoot, I have to wear this like a metal
now or like like a weight. It happens, like you know,

(01:14:35):
not all people are good, and I find it's a
lot easier to be open to things than to be
scared of getting hurt on those things because then it's
but I find a lot of actors in general sort
of it's been something I've been like hyper aware of
as I find actors kind of walk around like not
trusting people and kind of being like a ware of
people and place to totally sucks, like it makes you

(01:14:57):
a shitty version of it. By this, I'm this. You
just look at things from are different perspectives, right, And
I could say the same thing about myself. I'm be
way too trusting and I but that's never that's like
I don't know, I don't know. It's a blessing and
a curse. If you use the good too much, it
becomes a weakness. I think, who is the favorite sibling?

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Is there a golden child? Glenn's the golden child? Blenn
is the golden child? Lauren doesn't care. We've we figured
that out. Have you seen the movie The Golden Child?
Dy Murphy? No, you should watch last movie ever. If
you guys could give someone advice, I think this is

(01:15:41):
interesting because you guys actually do have something that we do,
even though we joke around and we laugh about all
this stuff. But like our I don't know what I
would do without my brother. I mean literally, you know,
it's one of those relationships where he gives me more
than he even feels that he does at times. I
know that for a fact that that's like everything to me.

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What would be the one piece of advice you'd give
a sibling relationship that wasn't necessarily in a good place.
I'd actually say that family is the only thing that
sticks with you through everything. Friends come and go, relationships
come and go. But like a brother, sister, or a
mom and daughter fathered or whatever, that's what you have

(01:16:29):
in life and that's what you fall back on, or
at least I do, And so if you can make
that relationship good or worthwhile, then you can always rely
on it. But that's also not true in different households.
So of course, but do you feel that the things
that you do in your life, do you feel that

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you have your courage, say, to put yourself out there,
to write songs to say certain things. It has something
to do with how safe and ground did and loved
you feel from your family, you know what I mean? Yeah,
I actually one hundred percent like I'm I think music
is the scariest thing. Like, no, I think you're nuts

(01:17:12):
to go into music. I think your nuts to go
into film. I think. But I'm not scared of failure
because if if I fail, if something bad happens, whatever,
I have my family to go back to and nothing. Yeah,
I'm not scared. Yeah. I always think there will be
people out there who are listening to this who have

(01:17:34):
a difficult time with their sibling and they try to
figure out how to reconcile it. But then there's this
longing that's always like, if only I could just connect
with that sibling. You know, they might not have been
able to connect with their parents, but to be able
to do that can completely change their entire life. So
what would be your piece of advice to someone who's

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having a challenging time. I mean, I I find that
she's right in the fact that this town, for example,
I found that this town operates like a heat seeking
missile a lot of times, where it just chases kind
of the flavor of the week, and you can read
into why you're not good enough, for why things aren't happening.

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But at the end of the day, I talk to
my family every day pretty much every single memory of them,
and they offer different things and whether it's a crutch
or a laugh or just keep your mind off of things.
And like, for instance, even when I was going through
I've gone through breakups and Leslie's the one who literally

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talks me off of a ledge. You know, I'll get
my heart stopped on and she'll talk me through it.
She'll turn it into a song. That sort of arcatharsis
is like I'm so sorry about that. No, but like
that's like I'm sitting there going you know, as a
Southern guy, you're not like necessarily wanting to just like
cry to your little sister about stuff. But really what

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you do is you can open up and talk about
how you're feeling. And I'll write a bunch of stuff
and I'll say, hey, please make a song of it,
because it's the shit hurts, you know, And but you
will break things down for me and give me the
real and family is no politics, and they should be there.
Not every family has the luxury of that like, I
know my family, no matter what I do, they'll be there,

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and so you don't have to sugarcoat things. You can
be hurt, you can be vulnerable, and you can be
raw to them because you know that's That's one thing
on this town that I do feel like I've brought
a lot of people into my inner circle and into
my work life and personal life that are there for me.
But at the end of the day, you know that
one push comes to shove, the only people that are

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truly there. If shit dries up, my family is gonna
be the only one that's there. And it's great. I mean,
you guys are so lucky. You're so lucky, and I'm
very lucky. You guys have really seems to be just
a really stable honest I mean, you've got parents who
are still together. But when you start interviewing people and

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most most of the world really has real challenges in
their family of origin. And I actually think it's as
important as you know, talking to people who've had challenging
relationships in their life, familial relationships that actually talking with
you guys, what it's like to grow up with stability,

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with a father who is really even who's able to
diffuse situations and you know, hit the neutral button to
be able to have that as your foundation creates this
like safe, beautiful feeling where you actually feel so loved

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at the end of the day. I think everyone's striving
to create a family that can do what your parents did.
So it's a real testament to your parents that you
guys can speak about them like this, that you're so
it's just so wonderful. And I think it'd be interesting
to talk to your parents about their childhood because you know,

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generationally things shift, and I bet they made some shifts
in their life to be able to raise the kind
of family that they did, And it probably would be
a great lesson to everyone that you know, you don't
have to be your parents. You can raise your kids
and your family exactly the way you want to. I

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don't know, I want to like hug your parents. I
want to hug them. I'm sure they want to hug
you too. We'll make the Texas threat happen for sure.
I know. I love you, guys. Thank you for coming me.
Love you guys, Thank you for having us. Sibling Revelry
is executive produced by Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson. Producer
is Alison Presnik. Music by Mark Hudson aka Uncle Mark

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