Let the Games Begin with Bode Miller & Morgan Beck

Married athletes Bode Miller and Morgan Beck know a lot about competing and winning, but raising a large family is an extreme sport and they're still learning the rules. Find out why this competitive couple almost called it quits, what kept them together, and the shocking announcement from Morgan about her future in Volleyball. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hi.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
And what it's like to be siblings. We are a
sibling railvalry.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
No, no, sibling, don't do that with your mouth.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Revelry.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
That's good.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
This's Oliver Hudson and welcome to another episode of a
Sibling Revelry where there is no sibling. In this episode,
I have a fill in because my sister, Kate Hudson
is working, so I'd like everyone to welcome to the stage,
Miss Aaron Hudson.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Thanks babe for the intro.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
We had a podcast called Unconsciously Coupled for a while.
It wasn't making any money, so I dropped it and
it caused a big fight and he's like, this is
all about money, and I said, yeah it is. It
is all about money, and I can't waste my time
with you while I've got money to be made.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
You know, got it?

Speaker 4 (01:22):
Great?

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Good to know, thanks babe, But very excited to have
my beautiful wife filling in. I have a surprise guest
for her coming up. Yeah, so we have Body Miller
and his amazing wife Morgan on Morgan Beck and very

(01:44):
excited to talk to them. I've known body for many,
many years now. We figured it would be best to
bring on sort of a couple, maybe not talk about siblings,
maybe talk about siblings, but just the ins and the
outs of having a relationship for as long as they
have dealing with tragedy as they have coming out the
other side, like they have parenting relationships. Living in a

(02:07):
mountain town, two Olympians, they're just uh seemingly on.

Speaker 5 (02:14):
Paper, are pretty a pretty powerful couple, And yet we
did we I have met them both as well, and
I remember walking away just in awe at how down
to earth, cool, relatable, ridiculously gorgeous both of them were.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
But it was such a pleasant surprise, and they were
just so real.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
So yeah, yeah, no, it's it's it's it's gonna be fun.
It's gonna be fun to talk to them. All right, Well,
let's bring on Bodie and Morgan.

Speaker 6 (02:53):
High High High.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
What's everybody?

Speaker 6 (02:57):
Oh sweet forever?

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Oh my gosh, c wait.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
A minute, are you guys? Are you in the same house,
separate places?

Speaker 1 (03:06):
He's upstairs and I'm down here.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Amazing, It's just easier that way. I take it.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
No, he's traveling right now, and we actually moved back
to California.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Still you did not hi aater?

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Oh my god, Hey, yay for us?

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Wait a minute. For first of all, it's his preface
is same. I've known body for a long ass time.
We've played a bunch of golf together, we've had a
few cocktails together a few times ten and uh, you know,
we just hit it off. And Morgan we've known now
for a long long time, and they're the most amazing
sort of power couple. Been through the shit, come out
the other side, getting the shit, come out of the ship.

(03:48):
That's what we do. They moved to Big Sky, which,
by the way, we're going to be there March twenty third.
So of course now you guys are gone, right.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Oh yes, you have to come back, was literally thinking.
I was like, oh no, I was.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
So jealous of the move because living in the mountain
town is just so amazing. We took the kids to
Aspen for years and put them in school there and
lived there just because we wanted to get them into
the into the mountains and away from the cities. Right, So, now,
what the hell are you doing? How come you're moving back?

Speaker 4 (04:19):
Well, I am.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
It's so funny because before we started, we were chatting
for a minute and I was like, God, they're living
the dream. They're in the mountains, isn't that? But I
was like, but Morgan's a beach girl, Like I wonder
how that's affecting her, and like maybe down the road
they're going to be by Uh but yeah, something in there.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
But what happened that.

Speaker 7 (04:41):
Was the cold and dark, long winters did not affect her.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
Well, yeah, I asare you.

Speaker 7 (04:46):
She tough it out. She toughed it out for those
four years, and I think it was awesome for the kids.
But also some other changes we're going. I'll let Morgan
fill you guys in on some of her No, no,
it's your deal, but some some natural points. Uh. You know,
our eleven year old is super into into football, and

(05:07):
you know that there's great parts about Montana that I
think all our kids will benefit from as they grow up.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
But there was there's just a bit.

Speaker 7 (05:15):
More, I guess, uh natural fit for where our family's
at in southern California right now.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
And it won't be long. It sounds like if Morgan
will share her her upcoming challenges.

Speaker 6 (05:29):
I'm going back to play volleyball professionally.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
What the front door? Yes, so balance.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
No, So going back to indo her, It's a really
cool opportunity that came up. And I mean we've been
friends forever, so you know, I have been momming for
a really long time.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
And I was on Instagram one day and lindsay Von
posted this uh picture that she invested.

Speaker 6 (05:54):
In the new volleyball league, and I followed nothing volleyball.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
So I started going down the rabbit hole and I
realized that the guy who's running it is actually one
of my old coaches from the national team, and one
of the founding athletes is one of my old teammates
from the national team and college.

Speaker 6 (06:10):
So I reached out to Well.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
First I called Body and I was like, hey, I
got this crazy idea.

Speaker 6 (06:15):
What do you think? Hell yes, not what I expected.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
And then I call it Tom and Carly and same thing.
They're like, hell yeah. So I've been training for like
four months. I got surgery four weeks ago. We moved
back here where And so the candor site, I mean,
it's it's gonna be cool too. They get to see
that mom kicks ass. She doesn't do just white ass.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Well, said, and we'll played good for you guys. Honestly,
I feel like being able to be spontaneous and take
those risks also for your kids is amazing no matter
what comes out of it. And it sounds like you'll
be coming back and you have a lot of family
here too, you know.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
I think it's it's an amazing thing sort of, you know,
moving from kicking move from wiping ass to kicking ass,
you know, especially when you have kids who have only
seen you wipe ass and have heard about you kick ass, right,
you know, it's funny. Aaron and I have these conversations.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
You know.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
She was an actress in a model and she did
all of her stuff and was successful, and then we
had kids and she just wanted to be a mom,
you know. But we've she's expressed sort of her insecurity
sometimes about sort of just being a mom in the
sense of I feel like I should be doing something,
you know, and when that I guess when that when that,

(07:42):
when that itch becomes you know, almost you have to
scratch it, is when you sort of get back into
the game. I've asked her countless times, like if you
want to go back into the game, let me know.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
But I will say acting and competing in a sport
are quite different and.

Speaker 7 (07:58):
Scary fast factor, the emotional and the psychological is exactly
the same.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
It's no different. Right, you were skilled, you had your
ship Morgan.

Speaker 7 (08:05):
I mean in a lot of ways, what Morgan's doing
is is, you know, is scary for me just because
of the physical demands. Right acting, sure, there's like a
look and there's but you have the skill set and
there's always roles for people who have that amazing skill set.
Whereas you know, normally it's one direction. As an athlete,
you kind of you do some ass kicking. You start,
you start kicking less ass as you get older, and

(08:28):
then you're like, okay, now it's time to present. Like
I could keep kicking ass, but not even put myself
out there, right, And that's that's the natural progression.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
It's really cool.

Speaker 7 (08:37):
I mean, you know, granted, you know, and I'll spend
the second pumping Morgan Sizer. She's she's such a gifted athlete,
and I don't you know, she's if it was me,
I wouldn't do it right like I could. I don't
think I would be functional to go back and race.
I could, I could do certain parts of it, But
I just was I had to work so hard just
to get to a level where I could compete there,

(08:58):
whereas Morgan is is kind of the specimen. She's the
optimal sort of size and athleticism for her sport, and
that that makes it a bit more accessible. But I
don't think you'd find too many people who are like, yeah, sure,
you know, get to the top of sport, spend you know,
twelve years having a bunch of kids, and then go
back and try to compete against girls who are fifteen

(09:21):
years younger than you, and you know, it's like they'd
be like yeah, But in this case, I mean, I
have confidence in her and I think it's it's awesome.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
It's going to be a challenge, and I want to
see her come.

Speaker 7 (09:33):
Up against that because I you know, I didn't really
know her when she was in her indoor years. I
just saw videos and stuff and it's pretty awesome to
watch and I want to see, you know, her reaction.
She's more mature now and has all this, you know,
like you said, we've been through the shit, and I
think all those things, those life lessons can be applied really,
you know, in a positive way to any sport, any

(09:53):
team environment, and I'm un psyched to see her her
bring the noise on.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
People keep going to me, I'm loving this.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Do you still have the hops? Can you still get up?

Speaker 4 (10:03):
Not yet right now? No. I've only seen her leave
the ground twice in the last ten years.

Speaker 7 (10:10):
Both of them are as she was launching herself onto
the couch, and she really only got to the couch.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
So once this opportunity came to you, Morgan, meaning through
Lindsay you saw it on Instagram, it sparked something prior
to that. Were you feeling a desire or an itch
to get back into the game somehow or was this
just a complete impulsive, spontaneous thing.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (10:48):
I think it's similar to Aaron.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
You know, you want to be a mom and you
start doing that and it's great, but at some point
your kids don't need you as much.

Speaker 6 (10:57):
And you then start wondering like, well, what am I
going to do? And I got really lucky.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
I did a bunch of golf clinics over the summer
with a lot of older women whose kids just left,
and they were like, I don't know what to do
with my life. I don't know who I am I
don't like identity crisis completely, and I said, you should
figure out now.

Speaker 6 (11:19):
So I'm kind of thinking to myself for a while,
like where do I.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
Go, what do I do?

Speaker 6 (11:24):
What inspires me? What is it that like I want
to put my energy into in addition to my kids.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
And when this popped up, it was almost like it
was completely out of my control.

Speaker 7 (11:34):
I was like, oh shit, here we go, I can
contribute something to I think we were in a weird,
a bit of a weird situation because when we were
in California, it was Morgan's home, right, like that's where
she grew up, and so she was in mom mode,
but she still had this like residual identity that was

(11:54):
linked to all that stuff. And I think that would
have probably been I would have extended her period before
she started to have those recognition moments of like, WHOA,
I have a lot of shit that i'm you know,
that I'm good at her, that you know I want
to do, and I should be, you know, taking that
more more sort of by the horns. But then we
went to Montana. It was so far out of her

(12:16):
element and so removed, and she's seeing all these you know,
y see people and who are on you know, permanent vacation,
just ripping around and and it's like, I think it
just really highlights the the sort of and and her
being completely out of her element was even more sort
of dislocating in a way, so her identity was even
more you know, confusing and lost. And we had a

(12:38):
lot of talks over the years about that kind of
like her feeling like, you know, not just that she
didn't necessarily like the dark, cold, but just the whole thing.
She didn't feel connected to people and she didn't feel
like it was her life. And so when this came up,
that was a part of it. I was like we
were already basically like we gotta we got to get
out of here because she's not feeling fulfilled, she's not
feeling like engaged with people. It was just too foreign

(13:01):
and too kind of like, I don't know, outside of.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
I think this is a cool topic. It's a cool
topic though, just in a broader sense because you have
to sacrifice in relationships, There's no doubt about that, right,
But you had an opportunity to go to Big Sky
and do something cool.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
Morgan.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Of course you know there's support there, but how does
that sort of manifest itself within the four or five
years that you're there within your relationship, and does is
there a ticking clock where you're like, all right, babe,
I'll go do this, but this is not going to
be my fucking life forever.

Speaker 7 (13:32):
At a hundred ticking clock, it was made clear. It
was She's like, I'm trying. I'll give it a I'll
give it a damn good effort. But you could see
that it was like it was it was ticking right
from you know, and she did. I'll give her she
made She made a great effort, and there was great moments.
There was lots of good stuff, but it was just
it was too foreign and too you know. And then

(13:53):
there's course there's a million factors that could have gone differently,
but we were ready to be out of there anyway
without this coming up. And so then when this came up,
I was here for like, look, we're going to go
back to California and it's kind of going to be
the same thing there. Yeah, you'll fall back into that
kind of more comfort zone stuff, but like the challenges
are still there. Life is, you know, yours to own,

(14:14):
and it's hard, you know, if you don't have a program.
If you're not in a system, it's like, here's your
next step, here's your next thing, here's your next thing,
and we aren't, which I think is a is a
great gift, but it's also you know, it's scary and
challenging because you have to make the call and you
have to be willing to accept the outcome of that,
and a lot of times you screw up or you
fail or you know, it's like and that's hard. If
you're in a system, it's just like you're just you know,

(14:36):
and especially with someone of Morgan's sort of skills and talents,
if she's in a system, she could do whatever. If
she was in a corporate job, she'd crush it and
get to the top. She was in a sports, crush
it against the top, like it's just the way she is.
But when there's this unknown, she's real tentative, you know,
because she hasn't had that ownership. She's been in systems
since she was born basically, And so I thought that
this was yeah, anyway, I support it just because I

(14:57):
think it's going to be awesome. It'll be fun for
me and the kids to and watcher, you know, smash
the ball, on people.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
So I think it was a two o'clock I mean,
I think it was a really cool opportunity for the
family and for the kids, and like, especially.

Speaker 6 (15:09):
In the beginning when you have a bunch of little children.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
And your thought process is always what's going to be
best for them and not certainly what was best for them.

Speaker 6 (15:17):
In that moment, and so we did it.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
But I definitely, like, like Bodie said, you kind of
get into that idol of like waiting for time to
pass and being in a really traned, big community like
it was. It was hard that it were incredible, and
I wouldn't change it for the world, but it really
like when you have to be that still, it's not
all the chaos and stimulation that we have in California.

Speaker 6 (15:38):
So I was forced to be really still still with myself.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
And had shit come up that was like the loss
of our daughter and childhood trauma and like sitting with
really uncomfortable emotions, which honestly put a strain on bodies
in my relationship to some extent. And I think we
came out a lot stronger because our communication skills have
grown of the years with everything that we've kind of

(16:01):
been through. But I don't think I went into it
with the ticking clock. I think it just it put
me into such an uncomfortable position through the process.

Speaker 6 (16:11):
That kind of like as I got to that.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Point of like, Okay, I can't sit in a space
of idle forever, Like I have to go back and
find that the inspiration and find what it is I
want to do that's going to fill up my bucket,
so it doesn't feel like it's constantly being siphoned out
as I'm processing all this other crap that's coming up.

Speaker 6 (16:30):
And I also wanted to see Mary to my husband.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
So.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
Well.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Sometimes sometimes do you think that there is a beauty
to the sort of madness? In a sense, you had
to be still, You had to go inward. You couldn't
use the distractions of Cali or anything else to sort
of mask anything, and it allowed you to sort of
be more internal, to open up and to sort of

(16:59):
heal or go through things.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
You know.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yeah, I think anytime you're forced to kind of sit
and just be with yourself and have it be quiet
without like you know, kids are in school and yeah
we still have young kids, but I'm not going to
three different football practices in four different baseball games and
interacting with all those parents.

Speaker 6 (17:20):
It was a lot of solitude and isolation, and yeah,
that it definitely.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
It's beautiful and the fact that I am a completely
different person now than I was when we moved there
four years ago for the better. And my relationship with
body is way stronger, my ability to be a.

Speaker 6 (17:39):
Mother is way better.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
But it came like it was a process, and it
comes with a cost. And even though like there were
moments of just really dark times, now.

Speaker 6 (17:54):
That I'm on the other side of it, I am
so grateful for it.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
I was just going to say, looking back, it'll be
the most magical time, especially as the kids get older.
You look back at those memories and they'll be ingrained
and you, guys and the kids will have it and
it's just such a I don't know, blessing, I think
to be out of something and looking back at it.
Because when we moved to the mountains, it was kind

(18:20):
of a spontaneous move. He wasn't working at the time,
our kids were still pretty little, and we spend a
lot of time there in the summer and we love
it and we have friends there. We're just like, oh,
imagine living here. Imagine living here. It's the dream. And
one night before we were supposed to leave, over like
maybe one too many glasses of wine, he was like, well,

(18:42):
we could put the kids in school here and like
stay and I was like, you would never, and He's
like you would never, and I was like, let's go
tomorrow and look at the schools. And we literally it
was that spontaneous and we just thought it would be
so good for our kids, is what's so interesting. And
it ended up being the most amazing, like year and

(19:03):
a half for us, and it really I faced a
lot of challenges there, just you know, the kids like
skiing and riding dirt bikes, and you know, a lot
of my fears of like, you know.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Wanting my kids to just be like she wants them to,
like me, play the clarinet. You know, it's like that's
and even that might be a little dangerous.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
It's funny because I grew up playing sports three sports
a year. I played lacrosse in college. I was like, oh, yeah,
my kids are going to be athletes. And all of
a sudden, there they were riding dirt bikes, doing BMX, skiing,
flying down these hills and I was like, huh wait,
a minute, I don't want to just be in the
band or something. But it challenged me, and I knew

(19:47):
it was so good for them, but we ended up
having some of the best bonding times for us, And
really it was the opposite. It was like leaving Los
Angeles and being removed was actually kind of a blessing
for us, just the downtime, the slow time, being immersed

(20:07):
with the kids. You know, LA is like go go go,
and when we were there, we were cooking dinners, playing games,
like just with the kids and us much more than
we were here. So it's like kind of like that.
But then we came back because he had to work,
and I was thinking, oh my god, I can't believe

(20:28):
we're leaving this place and we're bringing our kids back
to LA. But it ended up kind of being amazing
that special time, and looking back for us, it was just, yeah,
of course, it's such an amazing experience.

Speaker 7 (20:42):
Was concept right of like lots of things like whether
you think your life as dots or you know, tiles
of a mosaic, and a lot of times when you're
in it, it's more just like what the fuck is this?

Speaker 4 (20:53):
Or like, you know, where's this going?

Speaker 7 (20:54):
Or and then it's not untill later when you can
kind of have some retrospective you know, ales on it,
so you can see that the picture that all those
little tiles that some of them sucked. But in every
really great mosaic you need some black ones or some
you know, funky ones in there that that you know,
it's not all good, but the good stuff, you know,
ends up being highlighted and comes together. Like I like

(21:17):
that the sort of visual like whether it's a you know,
mosaic or just connecting the dots. Later on you can
see how they all connect and where these challenging moments
gave view skill sets that apply so much. You know,
I'm not really a big fate person, but there is
something that creates that kind of continuity. And I think
it's more just if you keep the right attitude and
you're like, look, this is how it goes.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
This is life.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Right.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
There's prety hard.

Speaker 7 (21:40):
Times and then you know, you develop skills through those
challenging times. And that was you know, it's great to
see Morgan, you know, come out of it because there's
times where I was like, oh shit.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
Man, I don't know, she might do I burn.

Speaker 7 (21:53):
Our house down, orly you know, because it's just like
when you're in that, when you're in those moments, it's
friggin tough.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
I've I've been in them myself, and it's like.

Speaker 7 (22:00):
You know, you want to just get out, but a
lot of times that's not really the answer. The answer
comes like when it's the right time to get out.
And that's what I think we did. So I'm looking
back on you go.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Did you guys have did you guys have a moment
where it was like we're not going to make it, uh,
you know, our relationship, meaning like I'm going to do
my best, but I said, I don't know if this
is going to fucking happen anymore.

Speaker 7 (22:23):
Morgan has those I would say, I don't have them.
I'm a I'm a I'm a very steady grinder.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
It's it's one of them. It's really my only.

Speaker 7 (22:32):
My only real strength is that my I have really
good long game, like my brain works well that way,
and I have very good discipline and focus on that,
and like my top priority has been Morgan and the kids.
Everything else is kind of just like there, and I
put energy into it when I can.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
But definitely we have.

Speaker 6 (22:49):
I mean, that's not totally true.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Like when we hit twenty twenty four and a friend
of ours apt and like, what was your high and
what was your low of twenty twenty three? And he
into tears and you did say You're like, I didn't
know if we were going to make it or not
through twenty twenty three, Like that was.

Speaker 6 (23:06):
Like a feeling, And.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 6 (23:11):
I have my moments.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
And we had some communication breakdowns and some uh just
some things along the way that kind of affected trust
for period of time.

Speaker 6 (23:22):
And twenty twenty three was brutal.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Dude, I trust me. We've been together for twenty three years.
We've been through the fucking ringer. There's been infidelity, there
has been all kinds of shit that we have worked through,
and you know, we couldn't be stronger for it. And
not to say that everything's perfect, It never is, you know,

(23:45):
but you know that you can get through things. You know,
obviously you guys have faced a lot of adversity in
your relationship and in your family life. But I think
that couples now are too quick to just call it
fucking quit if something goes wrong that you don't agree with,
I'm out of here, you know, I like that idea
of the long game, if there's something solid there, if

(24:08):
there's love there, if she recognized something that you know, well,
of course you want to be impulsive, but I think
she saw something bigger, you know, to where it's wait
a minute, I know this hurts, but let's take a
step back and look at the big picture here.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
You know. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
Also resilience, you know, I think those words you were
kind of throwing out there is like resilience came to
mind where, you know, even with our kids today, whatever
it is, I'm like, there's something about the grit and
the grind and the fight, the coming out on the
other side of stuff. A little big, whatever it might be,

(24:45):
just can make you feel closer. I feel like it's growth,
you know, which is so important for your kids to see,
and relationships. When you're in it for the long haul,
you're going to be evolving. And I think a lot
of times you hear about, you know, people breaking up
or divorce and it's like we grew apart, we changed.
Those are That's true. I mean, people do change, especially

(25:08):
as you evolve or get older. But it's like, all right,
can we kind of give and take or you know,
leave space for what's going on over here or what
we've been through, you know, kind of give the other
person the stage or you know, not I always I've
said this before, but there's a great quote I read
in an interview once about this couple and they've been

(25:28):
together for you know, celebrating sixty five years of marriage,
and the daughter asked, how, why did you guys never
get divorced or how and they said, we never wanted
to get divorced at the same time, And I always
thought that was such a great quote, because you know
what I mean, I think sometimes that does happen, and look,
you know it can go that way. But I feel

(25:50):
like you guys, what I've loved and just you know,
envied along the way is you started your relationship not
you know, this picture perfect you know story of you
knows an eight e Z road, right, I mean it's nutty, right,
I mean, but to me, I'm like, there's such beauty
in kind of these two, you know, just incredible, just

(26:15):
next level if I'm.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Wrong, Right, you guys got together with Bodie like you
already you had a kid on the way, right from
someone else.

Speaker 4 (26:21):
Yeah, it was the very beginning.

Speaker 7 (26:24):
Yeah, Nate was Sarah was pregnant with Nate when basically
like within two weeks when we met, she told me
she had been right before I met Morgan and and
just to touch on it, I said that to Morgan
in the beginning, like over the first few years, I
was like, it takes two nuclear keys to launch nuclear weapons,

(26:44):
which is the same as a divorce in my mind.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
Like, so I'm like, her key is on. It's just
she just leaves it in there and is on.

Speaker 7 (26:51):
And I think she's growing. I think she's growing through that. Honestly,
I've seen it.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
But I took my key and did the pull on
like old lady and tight, I like went off. The
back of the boat was.

Speaker 7 (27:04):
Somewhere down in the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
So therefore we've made it through stuff.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
It's very telling, like the way that our relationship started.

Speaker 6 (27:16):
It was a month into our relationship and he bought
my ring, my engagement ring in front of me. He said,
what would you say if I asked you to marry me?
And I was like, no, absolutely not. He said, that's okay.
I have a two pronged approach. Well, I get you
to marry me, and I know that way. Ever, since
we're I'm still like, it's this cushion pull for me. Yeah,

(27:37):
for him, it is like I am here, i am steady,
I am.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Rock, and I'm not pulling, which was amazing.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
That's pretty that's it's an amazing dynamic, you know. But
but Morgan, you know, not to get too like.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
I was the body and he was.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Sure. I was like, I'm good.

Speaker 4 (27:58):
I'm like, I'm fucking crazy. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
My dad left when I was a kreh the fuck
I am. And I've got issues and have anxiety and
you know, I mean like yeah, and Aaron's just sitting
there like now I'm cool. I'm cool. Like you know,
you go through your ship and all your here to
supports you for the most part.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
I mean sometimes, but I feel like there's a reason
you're together because or not together. But the reason it
works right because we're very similar, i would say, in
certain ways, but very different in others, and those differences
balance in the right way, you know what I'm saying. Like,
whereas some relationships it's just not gonna work. But are

(28:40):
the things that attract us, you know, are so strong
obviously have to be stronger than the things that don't.
But the few things that don't, you know, they work
for some reason in the right way. So whether it's.

Speaker 7 (28:54):
Times a lot of times that's that's the buttons that
need to be or the knobs that need to be
turned in the other person, right, The things that are different,
the things that frustrate you or cause you sort of
that like you know, anger or whatever, are in the
other person the knobs that need to be turned and
in yourself. Right, so your talents increases and you kind
of meet in the middle on the things that I mean,

(29:14):
I've noticed that with Morgan, like you know, a lot
of the stuff that is tough for me to manage
with her are things that are very clearly in hindsight, right,
we're up on twelve years pretty soon, there are the
things that I would have if you objectively looked at myself,
I reflected on myself, like, those are the things I
would have wanted to improve, that I would have wanted
to get better at. And it's forced in this case

(29:35):
because those are the things that she does all the time.
And it's like, and then the same thing I can
kind of pull her a little bit, you know, in
that direction as well, and it's like I know she
does the same for me in areas that I would
have wanted to improve and that she didn't understand. And
those are the things that we both drag each other
into more positive waters.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Morgan, for you, do you think sort of you having
your key I've turned on, so to speak? Do you
think that is a function of sort of just who
you are, your own shit, your childhood, whatever it is,
whatever the psychology of Morgan is, is that what it is.
So it's almost not necessarily about body. I mean, body
seems like a pretty fucking great human being, right, but

(30:24):
honestly has.

Speaker 6 (30:25):
Nothing to do with body. It's totally all on me.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
It's my It's just all the baggage, my childhood, my trauma,
like you name it, X, Y and Z. But it
really I think what it comes down to is kind
of like what you guys are talking about, the sense.

Speaker 6 (30:40):
Of identity and I don't know who the fuck I
am has been my thing my entire life.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
And it's so funny because you talk about professional athletes
and you lose your sport and all of a sudden
you're like, who am I?

Speaker 4 (30:53):
What do I have?

Speaker 6 (30:55):
Whereas a body, I think when you really get.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
To know Body, and you ask who is No one
would ever define him as a skier.

Speaker 6 (31:04):
They define him as Body, like that is it, and.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
He's just he'd stands so strong and who he is
the birthen and his belief and his moral and his values,
and he's really unwavering in that, where me, I was
very easily persuaded in many different directions growing up and
again like relationship with parents and relationship with volleyball, and

(31:27):
you know, Body can speak to that more because he
always looks back on everything that like I've been through
my life and he goes, I don't want that for
my kids, so leave all that shit, o, right, But
I really think it comes down to that, and so
that's kind of one of the things we talked to
our kids.

Speaker 6 (31:43):
About, Like, I don't care if you're an amazing athlete.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
I don't care if you get street as I care
if you love yourself like you at.

Speaker 6 (31:54):
The end of the day, you can stand strong what
you believe And.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Yeah, it's so right. That's so we're the same way.
I mean, the pressure on grades in school and you know,
it's just so fucked up to me, you know, Yeah,
I find myself falling into the traps because Wilder's like
my Wilder, you know, Wilder's like, I want to go
to NYU. I'm like, okay, I'm down with your grades
right now, Like I think you're doing amazing. But if

(32:20):
you want to go to fucking NYU is like a
as like a straight white dude, You're you're gonna have
to You're gonna have to get your shit together, Like
you're gonna have to get better grades. You're gonna have
to get extra to extracurriculars, You're gonna have to get
in programs. I mean, you know, so I will push
him to be what he wants to be, right, I'm
content with him now.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Yeah, And I think, like I was gonna say, for
you guys both growing up, you know, in the world
of athletics and becoming professionals and all of that, It's
it's interesting to think, would you kind of want that
for your children, you know? Or is it the opposite,
almost like you know, the feeling of you know, he

(32:59):
was you were saying before we got on too. He
was like, I wonder if you know, obviously the boys
are all scheme, but I wonder if they'll be competing
or you know, are they gonna, you know, get into
volleyball and that kind of stuff. It's like, you know,
you think that's just going to maybe be the natural
way of things, you know, or if they wanted to,
let's say, would you kind of guide them in one
way or the other.

Speaker 7 (33:20):
Yeah, that's what we're That's what we're dealing with, is
like our kids. I mean, like you said, some similarities.
Morgan and I are both very strong, will to stubborn.
We're both, you know, in our own ways, kind of competitors. Yeah, competitors.
We're alpha in certain ways. In certain ways, neither we aren't.
But when it comes to kids, I think we both
very much see id eye, which is huge, Right, That's

(33:42):
a big part of it because if we were completely opposite,
that becomes an incredible challenge to overcome. But but yeah,
we have to support them in what they do.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
They don't listen to us at all. I mean, at
least they don't listen to me. I think believes they
listen to her.

Speaker 7 (33:54):
But in my opinion, they're not looking to us to
like shift their their totally that way. Their opinions that
come from I don't know where either, Like their their
idiot friend will say something and then they're like, that's
their thing for like next year, and yeah I can.
I can hound them day and day out and they
don't change at all.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
They just dig their heels in Moore.

Speaker 7 (34:14):
So, but Nate wants to play football, and you know
that would that it would not be a choice that
I would make for him, just because, as you said,
it's terrifying.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
To think of some huge guy just trying to crush
my kid all the time.

Speaker 7 (34:25):
I know, but the fact is, you know, my my
only pursuit is to try to figure out how to
instill that grit, that sort of self reliance, some some independence,
understand that you know, he's he's great whether he's you know,
an athlete or not, and and hopefully help him find
out how to how to be happy because he's a
tough one too. He doesn't he only enjoys winning. Like

(34:47):
he is the prototypical a male, tiny little athlete like
he he looks and acts like he's already a professional,
but like kind of like you know, the one you
don't want, like the one who like freaks out and
as soon as they're behind, he quits. And like that's
been incredibly frustrating for me. But but yet it's a
it's something that obviously I have to figure out because

(35:08):
it's different than the way I was.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
Yeah, you're such a grinder, you know what I mean.
You were the opposite.

Speaker 7 (35:14):
I mean, yeah, I was obt, but that's because I
wasn't talented really the way he was. He's incredibly talented,
and I think he's probably closer to Morgan. So I
lean on Morgan to sort of work through that because
she was super gifted and was immediately great at everything
she did. I was kind of like, looked horrible all
the time. Even when I got really good, people were like,
oh man, you suck, but.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
You somehow get it done.

Speaker 7 (35:36):
And I think that's it's like the advantage of being
a seven in terms of like good looking, like you
don't take shit for granted.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
You know, you got to like work hard. And he's
he's more.

Speaker 7 (35:47):
Like he's more like Morgan, Like they're fucking tens and
they you know, they can unfortunately, get can get confusing
because you don't know, you know, you don't understand the
work side of.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
The grit and the talent or you know, two different things.
And if you can have both, you know.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Right, how old is see eleven.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
Yeah, he just turned eleven.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Oh so so there's still a lot maturing to do,
especially with that, with that with the wind loss thing,
you know, I mean when you're eleven and you're that
much of a competitor, you know, even just through brain development,
you might not even be there to understand you know
that you have to kind of lose correctly as well.
So maybe that gets evolved out of him too, you know,

(36:28):
to or eventually, And for.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Sure that's something that we were talking about, because how
much of that you control. Like he comes into the
car and he has a bad practice, He's like, I quit,
I'm done.

Speaker 6 (36:37):
And you want them to be able to have that independence.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
So do you let them quit and learn the hard
way at a younger age or you keep pushing them
and then eventually they're like, I don't have that safety
net of my mom's saying I can't quit because at
some point you didn't get old enough where he's gonna
say I quit and he's kicked off the team. And
so it's like we talk about this.

Speaker 6 (36:56):
All the time.

Speaker 7 (36:57):
We had a we had a really funny we had
a really funny conversation of like highlighted if it had
been recorded, it would have been gold Morgan there me
on the road, her picking him up and him being like,
I quit. The coach said that I did to do this,
So I stood there in line and didn't run a
single play, and just the coach was pissed and he said, well,
if you're not gonna play, go sit down.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
I didn't sit down, and now I'm gonna quit.

Speaker 7 (37:19):
And Morgan was like, like she wanted to throw him
out the window. I went through that with him in soccer.
But then I'm on the phone and I'm removed from it,
so I didn't have to. I didn't have that emotional
like adrenaline of seeing energy, which I would have wanted
to choke him too. But and then I come on
and I was like, no, dude, here's what you gotta do.

(37:39):
You got to be thinking of it this way. And
then afterwards Morgan was like, that was like the best
good cop bad cop we've ever done was legendary.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Nobody's so true. You're like, all you want to quit,
that's it, fucking quit.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Though, when you come to me tomorrow and say I'm joking,
that's it, dude, And then you gotta of course stick that,
I mean, wilder even with jews juice doing jiu jitsu,
you know. And then he wants to quit, and I'm like,
all right, if you want to quit, that's it. I'm
not paying another five hundred dollars initiation fee you jiu
jitsu for the tenth fucking time. So you know, that's

(38:14):
the end of it, you know. But it's tough.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
That's also that's like the impulsive reaction. That's the competitor,
the competitor in man that that will, that will move
that emotion. I think, how did.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
You guys do with losing? Like how we how we thought?

Speaker 7 (38:29):
I don't know if you remember I was like considered
badass and I won less than five percent of the
races I was in.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
I crashed and.

Speaker 7 (38:38):
I crashed and sixty percent of them where I was
ending up upside down on the fence like they were
knocked out, I mean, all scratched.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
But the thing is you built an amazing brand like
through that.

Speaker 7 (38:49):
That's what you resilience personified like I did not you know.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
But yeah, Morgan's a better person to answer that one.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Well, A funny story with this move and the stuff
that my older boys have been through we put him
in therapy and the therapist was asking me to highlight,
you know, the great things about my kids and the
things that they really struggle with, and we're talking about
me and like, he's so competitive, but he's a.

Speaker 6 (39:15):
Really hard time losing. And the therapists like, why do
you think that is or either of you competitive? I'm like,
you know what, full transparency. Six months old, he's.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Wanted to rape me and compete me in everything, and
I've never let.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
Him win, not only.

Speaker 7 (39:33):
When you can mash him everything he was he was
just one and he's like, let's race and it's just
from one end of the house to the other.

Speaker 4 (39:40):
And she would go full gas and on his second.

Speaker 7 (39:43):
Step and she'd be at the other end and he
would throw himself on the ground and have a tantrum.
And then you know, five minutes later, he'd be like,
I want to race again, and she'd be like, okay,
let's do it again.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
I mean, hundreds, kid, there will come a day he's
not going to forget that they're.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Will come down.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
That's so funny.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
At that point his life work to be what he does,
he will have earned it.

Speaker 6 (40:13):
By myself.

Speaker 7 (40:14):
And I hate losing some shower crying that day.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Yeah, exactly. Well, parenting is all one big fucking experiment
because I always say that it's not about if you
fuck up your kids, it's just to what degree you do?

Speaker 1 (40:29):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (40:30):
You know.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
I did this course called the Hoffmann Institute, which was
like a really powerful thing for me, where you're sort
of unpacking the patterns that have been put upon you
from your parents and then step parents as well. This
idea that we have negative love in our lives because
in order to survive, we need love of some kind

(40:51):
and sometimes it's not healthy love, but we attach ourselves
to those things. And so this course was all about
understanding what these patterns were and kind of learning how
to break through them and kind of and building your toolbox.
It's an incredible a week of enlightenment on who your
parents were are. The forgiveness and the compassion that you

(41:16):
feel towards them at the end of this process is
unbelievable because then you realize that they're only repeating the
ship that they went through, you know, with their parents.
The forgiveness of my father was huge because his dad
left him when he was five years old in the
middle of the night gone. You know, my dad didn't
do exactly that, but essentially he bailed, you know, so

(41:38):
I can't always help. But think when we're parenting, like
what am I imprinting upon these little.

Speaker 4 (41:46):
Exactly?

Speaker 2 (41:46):
They're going to be fucked up for some reason. Because
I'm a I am so she but I'm a very
open parent.

Speaker 4 (41:53):
You know.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
If I want to smoke a cigaret, I'll smoke in
front of my kids. I want to cocktail, I'm gonna
drink in front of my kids. I don't hide anything
because I'm an adult. Curse I'll do it. I'll do me,
you know, And I think it's a good process. These
kids seem to be pretty good, but when they're twenty five,
they're going to be in therapy. Like my dad was

(42:13):
just way too free wheeling, and I smelled weed since
I was two years old in the house.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
You know, I don't know. I look at it. I
think you guys similar. It's you're kind of learning as
you go and you're in it together, you know what
I mean. Most of our stuff is very it's different
than the generation before us.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Do you guys parents very similarly or do you have
things you kind of are like you're I'm over here
pretty different. But I mean, you know, Morgan goes to
eleven real quick. She has she has like in Mario
where they go in the tunnel and it warp zones them.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
I don't have a warp vie.

Speaker 7 (42:49):
He runs along and like anywhere I'm trying to get
to emotionally, it's going to take a little while to
get there.

Speaker 4 (42:54):
She can just warp.

Speaker 7 (42:55):
Zone right in, so like we have like us. She
brings a lot of into density much quicker than I do.
And I kind of offset that with a kind of
like you know, wear and tear. I just kind of
wear them down, and she brings the stink on them,
which I think is really it's a complementary pattern. But
both of them can be frustrating at times. Right, It's

(43:17):
frustrating to see her blow up because of other stuff.
A lot of times it's not even just the kids.
It's the kids and compounded with the rest of life.
And I think she gets frustrated with me that I
don't bring the noise on them, you know, as often.
But we've found I think a good groove now. I
think a lot of that is just kind of like
you know, really getting as you guys know, right, Like
I'm just getting to know Morgan. It's been almost twelve years,

(43:39):
and like you know, there's there's it's such a deep
learning processes. And it's the same with your kids, right,
and they're changing just like a marriage, right, Your kids
change the whole time. You can see their identity kind
of early, but then you don't know what you're seeing
versus what's going on in their head.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
Right, you never know they're all They're all stars are
like they could be you know, different planets that came.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
From honestly, like ours are like that as well.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
Well.

Speaker 7 (44:05):
My eleven year old the other day was I was
super impressed out of nowhere. I didn't tell Morgan about
it. It was when we went to the spectrum with Dace,
and he was like, you know, like if if you
saw orange and it was consistently orange and I saw blue,
but I called it orange because that's just what I saw,

(44:26):
we would never know that we were talking about two
different colors. And I was like, yeah, exactly. That's the
difference between perception and trying to get to know somebody
and know what they actually interpret, what do they feel,
and how do they interact with the world around them, Yeah,
versus making assumptions, right, we make assumptions all the time.
They're like, oh, somebody sees it the same way I
do or whatever.

Speaker 4 (44:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (44:46):
I was like, I was like, I spent like twenty
minutes in in whatever it is, David Buster.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
It's like sitting there with my head Land was like,
oh my god, that took us like thirty years.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
That's some shit right there. Yeah, for sure, I love that.

Speaker 6 (45:00):
I wish now I'm going to sit here for twenty
minutes be.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Like hell, no, wow, look.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
At our kids, like, okay, one, they're amazing, like what
incredible human beings And at the same time.

Speaker 6 (45:14):
Like bo, good job, Like we are doing some things right.

Speaker 7 (45:19):
Oh yeah, it's an unboxing right. We're gonna see later
where we screwed up, hopefully. But that's the thing that
I think, you know, is like Oliver was saying about
the Hoffin and student, like you do have to be
very gentle. I think it helps to be a parent
to help forgive your parents, right, Like, yeah, they were
the same, right in a lot of ways worse because
you know, there was different challenges that they face than

(45:41):
we do now. Different not harder, less hard, but different
and definitely when you see the ways they screwed up,
and you can be a mature adult and look back
and be like, whoa that they fucked up? That's legit.
Like they laid some heavy shit on me and did
not help me at all. And you know, but did
they do it maliciously? You know a lot of times
they did not. There wasn't even an ounce of malice

(46:03):
in it. It's just simply they were just fucking kids
who got big and learned how to talk and drive.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
And then we're trying to raise kids like that. You know,
it's hard. Hard. It allows me to have a lot
more forgetting literally in that talk and drive thing. Now,
Like Wilders, you know, sixteen years old, he's got to
get a girlfriend for a year. Now, he's got his
first job, he's driving. You're just like, oh, okay, I
mean he's not done, he's not done done. But and
like you, how do I do this? Now?

Speaker 2 (46:29):
What do I say to this fucking kid?

Speaker 3 (46:31):
Like each kid that comes along, first of all, they're
all so different, so you have to parent different and
kind of just be aware of who they are. But
I will say, like as each kid comes along, it
gets easier and easier just because you're like, oh, yeah,
all right, seen this before, done this before, you kind
of you know, you're getting the hang of him when

(46:52):
you guys are pros at this point.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
But the interesting thing too, just about the Hoffman stuff.
Then we'll move on because we get we gotta get
go on pretty soon here. But you know, I went
in there thinking that it was going to all be
about my dad and then Kurt, you know what I mean,
my stepdad who raised me, but whatever that connection was,
and then my dad who wasn't there. My mom was
going to sort of, you know, be easy breezy, because

(47:17):
she was always the constant in my life. It was,
it totally flipped on its head. My mother was the
one that came up the most. My mother was the
one that I had almost the most trauma about, interestingly enough,
because she was my primary caregiver and I was with
her all of the time, so I felt unprotected at times.

(47:38):
She would be working in a way, or she had
new boyfriends that I didn't really like. She would she'd
be living her life and she was an amazing other.
This was my own perceptions as a child who didn't
have a dad and who needed her to be there,
you know, and she just wasn't sometimes, and she came
out far more than even my dad who wasn't there.

(47:59):
But when I was with him, it was incredible. He
paid attention to me. We played football, we played basketball,
we were on the beach, he took touch at a fish.
I mean, he was so present, but he just was
never there, you know what I mean. So it was
really a perspective shifter for me for sure, you know.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
And you know, when I it's something that we're all.

Speaker 7 (48:20):
I mean, you guys have dynamic lives as well, Like Morgan,
I think of that. And that was a big part
of the conversation about her going back to play volleyball.
She's going to be on the road, she's going to
have to train, she's going to be a professional athlete,
and that requires a degree of selfishness and you know,
sort of disregard for for other stuff, and that's going
to be a really hard challenge for her, I believe.
I think that's going to be one of the biggest things.

(48:42):
And it's going to you know, I think it helps
that we have the experience we have now to be
able to be like, Okay, it's going to be hard
but you got to get through it because it's going
to have value and it's one of those things that like, yeah,
in twenty years are we going to.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
Be like whoops? Yeah, So all we can do is
like is try to do it. But yeah, you know,
like you said, the.

Speaker 7 (49:02):
Dynamic lifestyle is probably the biggest challenge that like you
guys and we face as I'm on the road, because
I do these things to try to work and make
money and Morgan's going to do this and you know,
those are legitimate things that are having an impact on
our kids. That's really hard to know how they interpret those.

Speaker 8 (49:18):
Yeah, but I will say, like the word you said
challenge before, I think what's going to be so amazing
is like your career, you know in volleyball.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
What I've seen and known just over the years is
like you gave one hundred and fifty percent to these formative,
extremely important years to your kids that could never be
taken away from them. So I think this next chapter
is going to be as you know, important and impactful
because you want to make it that way. You know

(49:59):
what I'm saying. You're not going going in like oh
I can't wait to.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
Get to wait for it.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
I got to fuck them right, No, I want to go.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
And you know this is more like this is going
to enrich me, make me a better you know mom,
for for even just the long run, you know what
I mean. So, and they're going to be on the road.
They're going to fucking love it. It's going to be amazing.
I think you guys are going to have the best time.
And it's a chapter. Like you said, guys, been a.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Real like shift.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
I love it, I know, real quickly.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Then we'll get out of here. I just want to
talk to you bout a little bit about the documentary
you made, because you know, growing up and Aspen, you know,
Sheriff Showy you Salva was a great friend of mine
who raised a lot of money for veterans and then
even sort of mental illness, mental health within the valley
there was all there was one at one point, I
think there was thirteen suicides in one year in the

(50:51):
forty two mile valley and it was, I think per capita,
almost like one of the biggest in the country at
that time. You know what inspired you to make this
and how did you recognize that this was even an
issue specifically to sort of these mountain towns.

Speaker 4 (51:04):
You know, Well, there's there's two bits to that.

Speaker 7 (51:07):
I you know, I think the statistics are a bit
misleading because when you when you look at that number
of suicides, that they aren't counting the transient population, right,
which in some cases is transient but not in and
out for a weekend. It's much bigger than that. So
I think the numbers would would come down. I think
it's a global problem. I don't think it is.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
It is. There's certain metrics that you can kind of
see stand out in mountaintowns, but you know, and sort
of causations. But it was. It was something that started.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
No.

Speaker 4 (51:35):
Five.

Speaker 7 (51:36):
I was traveling with Brett Rapkin in Europe and we
talked a lot about, you know, the way that I am.
We kind of we'd have long philosophical debates as we're
driving from France to Austria or whatever, you know, and
there's five hours in the car and only Austrian music
to listen to. So we got pretty deep. We got
pretty deep into a lot of stuff. That was when
it started. And then I think because of social media

(51:58):
and because of all these other facts, you know, it
kind of it just became more and more obvious to
us that it needed to be sort of looked into
and hopefully in a way that was more solution based.
I mean, that was the goal of the movie was
not it's not a feel good thing. It's not going
to be Avengers, right, It's it's like a it's a
It needed to be a tool to bring hopefully the

(52:19):
conversation to the forefront, destigmatize a lot of this stuff,
and hopefully start to see us towards real solutions, because
it's a scary thing as a parent, right like, look
at the world our kids are growing up, and we
haven't touched on that, but likelieving, we're talking mostly inside
of our house, you know stuff, but the outside of
our house stuff is friggin terrifying as a parent right now.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
And that's why I was going to say when I
was looking and you know, kind of reading about the
project that you did. His mom, uh has a foundation
that she started called mind Up and it's basically a
curriculum to put into schools elementary age now they're moving
up to middle school that really teaches kind of kids
about the brain and how it works.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
You know.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
People think it's you know, just kind of a mindfulness foundation,
but really it's giving kids at these very very young
age the tools so when they're moving forward and growing up,
because there's this kind of you know, I would say
it's penduluance, you know, swing with you know kids these days,
there's there's just not a lot of resilience and whether

(53:26):
that be kind of from oh everybody gets a trophy
or you know, the social media, whatever it might be.
You know, oh you're okay, you know all that kind
of stuff. And I'm you know, rushing here trying to
say it, but she just said, these kids don't have
the tools to know how to handle their emotions, whether
it be anger, fear, sadness, isolation, and so it teaches

(53:50):
kids about their brain and their body, basically helping them.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Well, it's like, I understand what's happening feeling stressed and
angry instead of just feeling it. It's understanding why, why, scientifically,
what is going on in your brain?

Speaker 7 (54:03):
That is no, I mean, it's that's a root cause
it's our curriculum, right, it's pretty arbitrary. We're dealing with
a curriculum that we teach kids, and that's inside the
home as well as in any institutional, you know, educational
system that it's so damn old and outdated and pointless, Like, yeah,
we have to evolve that. That is fundamentally. That's the
only thing I've really honed in on that I believe

(54:25):
has a high likelihood of success in terms of shifting
the direction we're all going in and kids are. I
think there's a way to teach that. That's interesting because
it's relevant, right. All the shit they learn is so
esoteric and irrelevant. It's like you're trying to mash it
in there, whereas understanding your brain and like neuroscience, while
it seems complicated, is all functional. It's like theology. It

(54:48):
makes that kids love that shit because they can see it.
It's like, it's so, yeah, I agree with you one
hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (54:54):
I didn't know Goldie was doing that, but that's awesome.

Speaker 7 (54:58):
It's becoming a movement more and more where people are
realizing that, like, we have to instill young people with
tools to manage this fucked up world we're building for them,
because it's evolving from top down kind of. You know,
older people are building infrastructure and patterns and all the
computers and apps and all the shit that kind of

(55:18):
populates life, and the kids are being left with the
same tools that people were fifty.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
Or sixty years ago, where they shouldn't have any of
the challenges.

Speaker 7 (55:26):
And it's like, sorry, dudes, you got to change the
skill set you're giving the kids if you affect them
to be able to deal with this at all. Yeah,
and adults, adults can't deal with it, and how do
we expect.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
Them to do it?

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Yeah? No, it's so true. One last question just to
answer sort of about each other, right, sort of a
too pronger in a way. So if there was one
thing that you could take from your partner that you
wish that you had to make yourself sort of a
better person, what would it be? And then the other
part is if you could if you could alleviate something

(56:00):
in them and take that away to make their lives better,
what would that be?

Speaker 7 (56:07):
You want to go first order me? I would I
would take away her irrational fear. I think it's something
I took very proactively in my own life, and it's
it's such a gift if you can get rid of
irrational fear where fear is connected to legitimate danger or
risk associated risk. And if I could take something from

(56:29):
her that that would help me absolutely, her her ability
to feel and express emotion. I sort of dold all
mine based on how much my ass got kicked in
everything I did and sort of the I sort of
had to harden myself against the naysayers because I had
them my whole career, and so that distancing from it

(56:50):
becomes really hard to walk back as a parent, and
I want to be a parent who like can really
engage in a positive way and share the frustration stuff
in you know, in the in the harder times with
my kids, and it's it's that part's really hard for me,
and she excels at those great thanks.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
I think one of the things that I really admire
about Bodie is his patience and how unflappable he is,
Like I know that I can always count on him
to be so steady, and it's something that I.

Speaker 6 (57:22):
Wish I had, Like I will ride these waves and.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
It's so funny because you're wanting to be more like
me and I'm wanting to be more like you. He'll
stay here and he'll just watch go and say I'm
here when you're ready. And I think it's one of
the most incredible qualities because I mean, our kids always
know that he is a steady, safe place. I mean

(57:46):
something I would take away. At first, I was thinking myself,
like my spending habits, so it doesn't.

Speaker 6 (57:50):
Have to work so much, so, you know, because you
know that's true.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Her powers, I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Speaker 4 (58:03):
She's like a magician.

Speaker 7 (58:04):
She's like, and I'll move it over here by these
and it's gone, yeap.

Speaker 6 (58:14):
How what would I take.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
I don't see too many faults in body, to be
completely honest.

Speaker 6 (58:21):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
And where there were faults, it's been areas that we've
worked through, like epathy, for example, and I think that
is so important for a relationship, is to be able
to have empathy. And he's kicked it out with that too,
and it's been a process and learning.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
But well, then, body, what would you take away from yourself?
Like if you could alleviate something from you, You're like,
I don't like this about myself? Is there anything you
just yeah?

Speaker 4 (58:49):
Am I just perfect? No? No? I think.

Speaker 7 (58:55):
Yeah, No, there's definitely a lot of it is kind
of nuanced. I mean again, it's it's not not to
put my tires, but I don't like to. I don't
like to have things that I can obviously be I'm
not a person who waits for New Year's to have
a resolution. I have resolutions every single day. And the
way that I communicate with people I've been I've noticed
for years and I just can't put my finger on

(59:17):
what it is.

Speaker 4 (59:18):
Right. And Morgan toll a test and I'm sure Oliver
will too.

Speaker 7 (59:22):
There's a mode that my brain goes into where it
goes into like from the best possible place it comes from,
but it goes in and know it all mode, and
it's just it's repellent. It makes information not be absorbed.
And it's been that way since I was born as
far as I can remember, and I hate that, Like
I feel like I want to be able to have

(59:45):
something of the humility knob or whatever the fuck the
knob is needs to be turned up so that I
can share and impart information that I might you know,
insight or things that are coming really from a positive
place but that don't come across as know it all
picking at someone or because they it's not where they
come from, but it's how they're interpreted. And I can
see it while it's happening. And I just stopped talking now.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
I'm just.

Speaker 7 (01:00:11):
I did the other night hey, I did. I'm working
on it, but I just stopped. I was like, look,
I'm going into that moune. I'm done.

Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
Stop.

Speaker 7 (01:00:21):
It's not a good solution, but that's something that definitely
I would take away. I don't know what it is exactly,
it's too nuanced.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
But yeah, yeah, we're all working on our ship. That's
about it. All right, guys, We're gonna let you go.
But when you when you do get up, let us know.
If we come down to o C like, we'll come
hit you.

Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
We'll meet up.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
I'm excited we get to see you guys here to
know at least awesome. I love it. I'm so excited
for you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
By the way, you guys, I think.

Speaker 4 (01:00:50):
Amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Yeah, I mean, guys are gonna have a blast.

Speaker 6 (01:00:55):
Is super excited. He's like, oh, your ass is going
to be so nice.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
Again about getting.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
I love the whole day.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Every day we're gonna get off and all it's gonna
be like, is going to be.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Trying out for this team?

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
All right, okay, all we love you guys. That was awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Yeah, fun guys later, Wow, well that was awesome. How
open are they? This is what I love about them.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
That's what he was saying in the beginning, so real,
so open, so down to earth.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
I want to basically out. You know, well, babe, thanks
for filling in. Maybe you'll be doing it how much
care I know, but it's over and I love you.

Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
I love you, Kate.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
I hope I didn't disappoint you. Maybe you can do
part two with them because it was really fun.

Speaker 6 (01:01:56):
Yeah,