October 20, 2025 • 57 mins
His family may have put the ‘G’ in MGM, but Tony Goldwyn puts the ‘T’ in talent!
The former ‘Scandal’ star joins the revelry with his podcast co-host ‘Anna’ who also happens to be his daughter. And, if you think this is a nepotism thing, you’re absolutely right! Hear about their new father-daughter project “Far From the Tree” that explores the pros and cons of family legacy.
Plus find out what Anna and Oliver both admit to having missed out on, growing up with famous parents.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.
We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and
what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling. Railvalry.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth, Revelry.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
That's good, all right, we're back. It feels like remember
that remember that movie called Oh, Pump Up the Volume
with Christian Slater and he had this like pirate radio station.
(00:55):
Love that movie. I used to watch that movie all
the time. But I sort of weirdly feel like I'm
doing that sometimes. It just crossed my mind. I think
it's because I'm finding, well, the places to do my
podcast are becoming more limited and more limited, and right
(01:16):
now I am in my office. Well it's not even
in my office. It's like an office quote unquote, but
more of a storage room. I'm sure everyone can relate
to that, where you have a room that should function
as a room, or you know, something that you can
be productive in, but it just ends up as a
storage facility. Well that's where I am right now. Because
when I do a podcast in the middle of the day,
(01:38):
I'm okay, But in about thirty minutes, all hell is
going to break loose in my house. So I am
now have been relegated to a storage facility.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
In my home.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
And it just weirdly felt like I was doing something
sort of you know, sort of like not correct.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Back like back backwoods, like I'm a pirate radio DJ.
I don't know why I'm thinking this. Maybe I took
too much acid.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Anyway, this is fun. We've got a couple people in
the waiting.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Room right now. One man is an actor that I
admire greatly.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
He's an amazing shit all of his life and I
think he's actually in the upcoming Paul Thomas Anderson movie,
which apparently is incredible. Tony Goldwyn and his daughter Anna
Goldwyn are here and they're in the waiting room and
they have a.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Podcast that I can't wait to talk to them about.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
It's called Far from the Tree and it's all about
NEPO babies, and we're gonna get into it and talk
to him about it. But I just love this idea
because it's been such a hot topic forever and it's
so directed at, you know, our industry, the entertainment industry,
when really it spans everything. And I've even said that before. Anyway,
(02:53):
let's not listen to me, pontificate, Let's bring them in.
I'm excited to talk to him about.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
All of it. Hi, Hey, how's it going. Hey guys,
how are you.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
It's so nice to meet you.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Great to meet Shoot, this is so exciting. You know.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
First of all, Tony, I've loved everything that you've done.
I mean, you're an amazing talent.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Peter is your brother, right, you remember?
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (03:17):
He told me did you guys go to school together?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
He just yeah, we were. But he lives in my neighborhood.
I see Peter all the time.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Yeah, Peter bought like eighteen homes in the neighborhood, sold
them all, and then now he's married and he's got
another you know, but I love Peter.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
We've just had a baby, fun times, just had a baby. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Yeah, we were talking about you last week. I was
in LA and I can't remember how your name Cambell,
but I remember him telling me that that you guys
were friends.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah. No, he's great. Usually I start with he'll go
back into your life and do all this.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
But I just love the topic of your podcast so
much because it's something that I talk about all the time.
Not just in my personal life or with Kate, but
even on our show, you know, about nepotism and about
how it sort of has blown up, and how it
is for some reason strictly directed at our our industry.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Right as if it doesn't happen all over the place.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
It's such bullshit, I totally you know.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I can show you some finance bros who have definitely benefit, you.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Know, And I always say, look, we use what we
can get, you know. I mean, we always are trying
to get a leg up in everything that we do.
I would say and argue and tell me what you
guys think that in this business. Of course nepotism exists.
It gets your foot in the door. But you have
to prove yourself, you know what I mean. If you're
the CEO of a company, you can pretty much put
(04:36):
your son or daughter wherever you want. This is a
little bit different, you know. Yeah you can get the
audition or yeah you can get in front of people,
but at the end of the day, you still have
to have the chops.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
You still have to prove yourself.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Yeah, it's a complicated thing. I mean, that's totally true,
and especially in the creative industry, like ours. You you know,
you got to be able to put it on the
page or on the stage or whatever you think. But
the other thing is it's it's a complicated thing too,
because there's obviously there's so many I think the thing
(05:08):
that that inspired Anne and me and we would laugh
about the whole nepotism thing, but we also found it
such a like we thought so lucky to be able
to share that part of our relationship. And I had,
you know, like it was really complicated initially with between
me and my dad, because I think when you're young
and you're coming into something where it's complicated, you have
(05:29):
to create your own identity. That that to me personally,
was the hardest thing. Once I kind of got my
head around that, it was there such a positive thing.
And when we were talking, you know, Anna and I
we were talking about it and we thought, well, as
you said, Oliver, like every business in history functions like oh,
it's often passed down to the generation beyond that that's
(05:51):
a normal thing, but somehow in show business it's become
you know, the whole NetOp everything is. But it kind
of made us laugh. Were originally thinking of doing like
a Nephi podcast with Emily.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I mean, I think the whole thing is kind of
culturally quite interesting, And I guess the piece that I
always and maybe all really keep feel this well, I
guess Dad, do you feel the same way too, because
your parents? But like I'm always like, yeah, there's so
much privilege in it, and there's no skirting around that,
but at the same time, like it also can feel
(06:22):
like this immense amount of pressure and because you know
what's I've said this, like you know what's possible, you
look and you're like, oh, they did it. They succeeded
at it. They, you know, especially in this industry, figured
out how to do something that is incredibly difficult to
find success. And then in the moments where I've had
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it early in my career where things aren't going so
well or I'm feeling a little bit down on myself,
I'm like, oh my god, what if I don't what
if I can't do that? What if I can't do
what they did? And so I think there's you know,
the there's the obvious privilege and blessings and amazing things
about out following your parents' footsteps or having that relationship,
(07:03):
but I think there's also a side of it that
can be really stressful sometimes unluckily when you have supportive parents,
it's not coming from them. It's usually like an internal thing.
But that I think that there's that balance too, that
often we're looking at nepo babies in our culture as like,
you know, the people who have had the most success, right,
But there's a lot of young people who are trying
(07:24):
to do what their parents did and who aren't movie
stars yet, or who aren't incredibly successful athletes yet or
whatever it is. And that's also the journey that I
find particularly interesting.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Oh yeah, especially because when you're looking when you're when
you're thinking about nepotism, especially in our business, usually when
it's a pub, when it's public nepotism, that person, that
parent has become something larger than life, you know, and
for their children to sort of try to live up
to that, you know, Like I grew up Goldie Haun
(07:56):
and Kurt Russell were my parents, you know, and it's like, oh, well,
to achieve what they have achieved is very very difficult,
so you put it into some sort of perspective. At
the same time, for me personally, it was the same.
It was also about not getting down on myself and
you know, just feeling like it was too big of
(08:20):
a task to accomplish, so I might as well quit.
It was trying to sort of forge my own path.
My production company is called slow Burn because that's what
I am.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
You know.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Yeah, my sister burned hot. She worked her ass off,
but bang things happened almost famous boom boom boom bang,
you know, And so for me it was kind of
like what about me?
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I mean, there's this.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Feeling that I have and still have, and I've used
self deprecating humor to cover.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
All of my pain, as what we all do.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
But you know, it's it's definitely real.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Those expectations, like you said, Anna, that you put upon
yourself are you know, larger than what your parents do.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
That your parents just want you to be happy at
the end of the day.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Right, Yeah, it's so true, you know, I because I
what I have. The thing that was it took me
really until honestly, until I was in my forties, I
think when I started to get my head around in
a positive way and realized that it was a you know,
my perspect because in one sense, it was a motivator.
(09:27):
The things you guys are talking about that that drive,
but it can be kind of a negative motivator and
it's completely self imposed. So you like I found, oh,
I don't you know, with the help of a good therapist.
Of course, I don't have to like sign up for
that that of that perspective on that I don't have
(09:48):
to sign up for that reality. There's actually that is
not the reality. So there was a process of self
re education and you know, that helped me personally, really
improved my relationship with my father and for the second
sort of in the second half of my life and
this second probably the final third of his life over
(10:09):
the second where there's a very beautiful relationship and our
and our shared work lives were suddenly as as opposed
to be something I felt somehow pressured by it and
assigned all of these things to him that he felt
judged or something. I was like, that's all bullshit, Like
I was just a childhood tape or something playing in
(10:29):
my head. And and you know, and anyway, it ended
up being such a beautiful thing that we actually shared
and you know, his struggles and you know he was
dealing with the same thing with his father. Example. Yeah,
you know year second, I'm third generation four, so and
he had a big weight of his father being Sam
(10:50):
Goldwin's you know, and and and he grew up in
like the red hot center of the Golden Age of Hollywood.
That was that was hard. Yeah, so he was you know,
I realized like, oh, manly what he did, and he
was such a good dad. And then the fact that
he was such a devoted and engaged parent, you know,
despite of whatever. You know, we all have our ships
(11:10):
right anyway.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
It's yeah, So what was that like though, with your
father coming to terms with it? Was it was it
rocky at first? Or was it was it smooth sailing?
As far as it was rocky for me.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
It was it was a little rocky. But again, I
you know, I think a lot of that was self impulsed.
It was rocky because he had a tremendous amount of
anxiety that it was not going to go well for me.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Mm hm oh oh wow.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
You know what I mean, Like because he knew my
dad was, you know, as a producer and yeah, and
his kind of perspective is that they are like successful
actors and they're not. He wasn't an actor. He didn't
think of it in the terms of like you know,
this is your passion and you're going, you know, try
and slay your dragons. So he was very supportive in
one sense, like, Okay, it's great you find a passion,
(11:59):
you're going to do this, you know, go do it,
and you know you can have to do it on
your own because it's not something I can really help
you with. But but but at the same time, I
know personally he just had so much things that he
was He so feared me failing and that was a
frailty of his. I ultimately came to understand totally because
falling on your face is such a huge important part
(12:21):
of every product, the creative process, career of figuring out
who you are. Yeah, and ultimately not being a we're
all afraid to fail, but not learning at a kind
of welcome failure and go, Okay, that was a face plant.
How do I what you know, you learned from stuff
and that the pain that you go through is is
what makes you an interesting person. So uh, once he
(12:44):
kind of was able to let go of that, and
I started to have, you know, got my feet on
the ground and he could let go of that anxiety.
It could that also changed. But so that.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Was was good at that moment though, where it's like, ah,
Tony fucking did it.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
He got he had there, he had his moment.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
He's on the he's on the big screen, and I
can I can now breathe easy.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Yes and no, which also was really a lesson for me,
and I've tried to like not carry this through to
Anna and her sister test And it was like he
would for a moment like when I got my first
big job, like first good part in a movie where
I was like popped out, people knew who I was
and it was all good. He was so excited and
proud of me, and all the like heat he was
(13:30):
putting on me about you know what's going this isn't
working out and what are you doing? That all evaporated.
He was so excited. And then in about a few
months later he's like, so, so what's the next thing?
Speaker 4 (13:40):
You know?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Want?
Speaker 5 (13:42):
What trips are you getting? Did they not? What are
you rages doing? You didn't get a like why aren't
you in that movie? He literally called me, I heard
about this movie. You should be in that. I'm like, pop,
Brad Pitt, Well, why should you do it? You should
call you should call you should like it? So yeah,
it was a bit of a and then I sorted directing,
(14:03):
you know, like some years they were. They was so
excited for that and I got made my first movie
as a director, and he loved that. We had such
a fun like community that. But then again it was like,
oh God, what's the next what's your next picture? You know,
and I realized, Oh, that's his Yeah, it's fucking him up. Man. Yeah,
I felt bad for him. I was like, we're good,
(14:23):
I'm good, We're good. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Now that's really interesting.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
I wonder where, you know, from a psychological place, where
that came from. Because the anxiety of your children is normal.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
We know that.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
I've got three kids who got eighteen, fifteen, and twelve.
You know, you want them to be happy, you want
them to succeed. Going back to falling on your face,
I feel like we're not letting our children fall on their.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Face enough these days.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
You know, we're such providing such soft landings for them
that I worry that the grit is.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Evolving or devolving out of us, you know.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
But at the same time, you just don't want them
to get hurt. I mean, that's the thing, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I think it also though, like came so much from
his experience. Like, I think that's also what's so hard
I'm at. I mean, I'm not a parent, but like
what I imagine as a parent is you're taking your
own experience and trying to like pull the wisdom out
of it. And I feel like for Grandpa was partially
anxiety that he didn't want you to have a hard time,
(15:20):
but also the anxiety that was derived from him watching
projects fall apart and watching things go away over his
whole career. And like, I think that that's something on
the receiving end of that as a kid, where you
it's like he was trying to give you a wisdom,
but the way he was giving you the wisdom was
in the form of anxiety as opposed to in the
(15:41):
form of, like, let me talk to you about what
this world can be. And I think that that's like
maybe the healthier way to have that conversation, whereas the
it seems like his instinct was to kind of like
brace for you because he knew that it was hard.
And I think that's something that I don't know. I
(16:01):
feel like you've you very much have avoided that in
parenting the intest in this business, Yeah.
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Speaker 4 (16:30):
Tony, How are you as far as passing that sort
of pattern down? I guess you could call it seems
like you are.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
You don't you don't have them the complete opposite.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Well, yeah, try try, you know, Like I mean, the
thing which your that's really is true. And about Grandpa
that because he had, you know, tremendous pressure of how
could he live up to what his father had achieved? Right,
And he had the same name, like he was Samuel
Goldwyn Junior, So he was really that was it. And
and so he was very tough on himself, like you said,
(17:02):
so when he experienced his failures and successes that he
that was just hard for him. So that's what I've
tried to to do a because I've learned to appreciate
my own the value of my own failures, which are many,
and accept that kind of pain. You know, as a parent.
It's been really the hard we've talked about this score
(17:24):
is especially it's hard throughout childhood. But even when your
kids become adults, you want to like you want to
keep them from that pain. And like with Anna, I
realized Anna, you know, got got successful very fast and
was always seemed to be a kid who had these
goals and would achieve them. She was an athlete and
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worked her butt off, but I was and enduring pain.
But everything was always you know, she was able to
knock over her goals, and I would worry in her
young life, like, oh my god, when this is happening,
Like she's having too much success. You know, you can't
avoid the two by four in the head at some point.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
So, yeah, it happened.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
I was like, oh man, when's it? You know. So
then when inevitably an I went through you know, a
rough patch or two, the impulse is to run in
and try and help alleviate the pain and fiiction and
come up with solutions. And I really had to learn
to restrain that impulse.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
And wait for wait for her or your your kid
to ask.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
That's that's the big key, because it wasn't about I
didn't I was successful, I think, and not exerting negative pressure. Yeah,
but in I would try and charge in and then
had to really restrain me and you said to me
once and I think we were talking, was on our
podcast or whatever, but that that it was actually better
for you when I when mom or me was not
(18:56):
help helping.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yeah, I think that the way I had said that
was like, and I don't know, maybe both of you
can relate to this, but I sort of felt like
one of the amazing things about having parents that you can,
you know, kind of emulate after and also understand what
you're doing. Like I've always felt in comparison to like
my husband who works in the business but his parents don't,
(19:18):
or people I've worked with in the past, it's so
amazing to be able to talk to your parents about
what you do. But I think what that often sometimes
cuts you off from is like seeking mentorship and other
people because you already know your parents and they can
help you, and if they're good parents, they're of course
willing to give you advice and guide you. And I
found that something that I I mean, regret is the
(19:41):
wrong word, but like that I've learned, you know a
little while into my career now and having like big
highs and very low lows, is that at the beginning,
because I had you and I had Mom, and I had,
by the way, so many other members of our family
that I felt comfortable with talking about work with. I
I didn't take it upon myself to necessarily like seek
(20:04):
out other mentorship. And I think that that's a really
important part of being young in a career. And you know,
I've since found mentors in a really natural way, whether
it's working with people or whatever. But like there was
sort of a comfort of talking to your parents about
it because they get it and they know and they
can give you good advice and they know you and
(20:25):
they have your best interest at heart. And so I
think now in the last few years, especially like a
couple of years ago, and I was really struggling with
work and I had other stuff happening in my life
that was really difficult. Like I kind of came to
realization where I was like, oh, I need to start
talking to writers who are older than me and like
producers that I've developed with going back to them and
(20:47):
asking them for advice, because I figured out that like
a default of mine was kind of just calling you
or calling mom or whatever. And I think that's great,
but I it's not this. It doesn't create the same
sense of like entrepreneurship in an early career, I think sometimes.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Hm, yeah, totally.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
I mean, for sure, I'm not even sure I've had
a mentor because it's been Mom and Paul at the time.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah, but so many people do you know. It's like,
my husband is an editor, and he had a film
school professor who was this really renowned editor and like
stayed in touch with him after school. And I went
to film school and I look back and I'm like, man,
did I not take advantage of like the people that
were there enough? Because in a really like jaded way,
I sort of was like, Oh, I'm already have so
(21:34):
many people that can help me and that I can
talk to, And I'm like, man, I wish that I
had like connected more with that professor or like that
person that came to speak or whatever, because I didn't
have that void that so many other people pursuing specifically
artistic careers I think have when it comes to mentorship.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Yeah, so Anna growing up like you obviously grew up
in the business, it's generation you know on sets?
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Did you know? I mean, did you is this?
Speaker 5 (22:05):
It?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Is this what you wanted to do? You know? And
by the way you have you have one sister.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Is that one sister.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah, she's an actor. Okay, so we're all in it.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
We're all in. And my mom's a production designer.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Right, My my sister's kids want to act. You know,
my three kids want to act. My son just didn't
movie for Netflix, just did a little bit. I mean,
like it's it's it's almost we.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Have to have you and your son. We have to
have all the generations on our show, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I mean, it's just going to continue down the line.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
But so what was that like growing up? I mean
you immediately said this is what I want to do.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Not really. I mean we grew up in Connecticut, so
we grew up removed sort of like geographically from the business.
My mom mainly worked in New York as a production
designer sort of you know, so that and then my
dad would kind of work everywhere. But it wasn't like
all of my friends up their parents worked in like
(23:01):
finance and insurance and whatever. And I think for me,
like my dad mentioned, I was an athlete, and that
was like that was my thing all through even like
elementary school, middle school. Once I discovered I was good
at sports, like that was it for me. And then
went to college for sports, and you know, I always
(23:21):
felt creative. I was always interested in the business. I
would enjoy the pretty rare times that I would go
to set and see, you know, what my mom or
my dad was working on. But it didn't feel I
wasn't like a kid writing scripts. That wasn't you know.
I think there are a lot of people who are
like that, and that wasn't me. And it really for
(23:42):
me was in college when I kind of was like, Okay,
I'm not going to go to the Olympics, so what
am I going to do after college? And I was
an English major, so I kind of enjoyed obviously like
storytelling and reading and all of that. And I went
to CLA and they have a creative writing program in
the English department, and so I applied to be in
(24:04):
that and got in. And that was really when I
started to be like, oh, I enjoy writing and got
some external validation, which is always helpful.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
You need it, I get it.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
And but yeah, so it was like it was always
interesting to me, but I was not sort of like
this young, you know, thespian kid who was like all
in it. My sister was more like that. She was
like in all the school plays and was taking singing
lessons and that stuff. But I was like a total
jock and then did a little bit of a pivot.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
And then when was that moment where you said, oh, wow,
this is what I'm doing and I'm a professional now?
I mean, was it when you sold your first thing
and did you pitch something.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Or I mean, I feel like the point when I thought, oh,
I'm doing it was like my second year of film school,
because I felt like, this is what I'm going to do,
you know. I think the first year was like can
I do this?
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Is?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Am I going to enjoy it? And then the second year,
this was in grad school, I was like, oh, now, okay,
now I'm doing this, like this is actually going to
be my career. And then I got staffed on a
show not long after leaving film school and that very
quickly became like Okay, yeah, this is what I'm doing.
(25:15):
But then there was, like, after you know, some success,
there was moments of doubt, as there always are, of course,
but I think that like one thing that I think
is similar between pursuing a career in the arts and
being an athlete is just like persistence, Yeah, and I'm
(25:36):
very grateful to have built that.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
No, I know, I mean especially especially you know, the
landscape right now of our business.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
It's just so gnarly. I mean, I haven't not been
on a series.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
I can't even remember, and it's been two plus years now,
you know. I Mean it's like it's just crazy and
just hustling up gigs here and there, just staying busy.
You know, I have a production company, I have a
dealer at Fox, and so I'm just trying to do
everything that I can and stay engaged and stay creative,
you know, because that's all we can do. Yeah, you know,
(26:12):
and Tony, I would even imagine for you, it's like
it doesn't change, you know. I mean Tom Cruise is
still trying to stay Tom Cruise and the kid from
IOW is just trying to get an agent. I mean,
there's not dissimilar sort of feelings. This idea that thought,
am I ever going to work again?
Speaker 5 (26:31):
You know? That is so true. And what I've learned,
you know, like whatever wisdom I've you know, sort of
gathered over the decades of doing this is you said
something really profound, is that I say this to my kids.
It's like there is no difference I wish I had.
(26:53):
You can't know until you know, but if I do,
there is no difference from the struggle that you have
when you're trying to get your first gigs or midway
through or when things you have the dry spells. That's
just the rhythm of the life. And and you know,
you're always trying to put together the next thing. And look,
(27:17):
you know it's tough when there's fine. When when you're
going through phases where there's a lot of financial pressure,
that's really hard. Yes, but you've got to figure it
out and push through and figure it out when you
you know, if you in those times, or if you
get to a point where you've been able to like
keep that wolf a little bit away from the door,
then the real hardship, I think comes when you do
(27:40):
not have a creative outlet. So so you know, we think, oh,
we got to get that, we got to you know,
if I could just get in that club, if I
can just get that, but I can just get that,
if I just get there, then I'll be there. There
was no there. I know, there's saying there was no there.
You're there, and you're like, Okay, I'm here, but I
gotta get if you're in that way of thinking about it. Yeah,
(28:02):
And the more as you evolve and mature, you're like,
oh no, I'm always there. I'm always in my process
with varying results. Some are remunerative, some I would happily
do for free, Some turn out to be shitty, some
(28:23):
turn out to be magical. You know, there's things that
are uncomfortable and pain but it's all part of the
same stew And it's literally no different than when I was,
you know, twenty five years older. We were going, am
I ever going to be able to do this thing?
I'm doing this play or whatever the hell I was doing?
Do you know what I mean? So that's that to
me is the reason, Like it's oh, it's all the same.
(28:46):
You got to take care of business, make sure your
rent is paid and all of that.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
The final thing I would say is you kind of
touched on it, is if you can stay creative and commune,
be in community with creative people that you vibe with,
you're like ninety percent of them. But then you're then
you're alive, Then you're connected, Then you're gonna you're fine.
(29:12):
Like then you're like, okay, I know I used to be.
I used to that. Yeah, I'm sure you have this
feeling too, you know, like in those long periods of unemployment,
trying to start out as an actor and just getting
doors shut in your face all the time. Then you
go to class or I had like a bunch of
friends of mine we formed a workshop that we did
when I was we were all struggling, and and you
just go and do like one piece of work or
(29:34):
connect with somebody on a creative level, and you go, God,
I was so depressed all like, and now all of
a sudden, it's like getting a drug. Why do I
feel good now? Why am I fine? Why am I like?
I can handle these problems. It's not the end of
the world. Whereas before I came to the class today,
I was like, oh my god, I was.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
So true, Oh God, so true. I mean, that's that's
what sort of this you know, producing side, which has
been a few years, it has been longer than that,
but has done for me because it's not lucrative. It
doesn't make them a lot of money until you get
something on the air, you know what I mean. Deals
are in place and it's all gravy. You know, only
when you get something on the air. It doesn't matter though,
(30:15):
right now, because the creative outlet for me and just
coming up with stories, working with writers, reading drafts of
scripts and getting that buzz from sort of just you know,
that collaboration of creation.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
And coming up with ideas. You're right, it's like a
drug that way.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
Yeah, it's everything I felt.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
I had that exact experience, Like twenty twenty two and
twenty twenty three were just so tough for me, and
the strikes obviously didn't make that easier, and and I
was like, really, I was in the mindset that my
dad was kind of describing of like, well, no one's
you know, I worked on things forever that then no
(30:55):
one bought or they fell apart, and it was just
like that, after that, after that, and and then the
strike happened, and it was like, okay, well no one's
doing anything now, I guess, And how can I try
to like reset myself? You know, there's no there's no
one to compare myself to right now because everyone's stopped.
And in that process, I made a short film and
(31:18):
it was like a small thing. My sister was in it,
like my free you know, it was like a family effort,
like my friend's help, my husband edited it, whatever, and
it was so fun and it was that exact thing
you were describing Dad of like, oh I can I'm
totally fine now, like nothing had really changed, but but
(31:39):
it was like the reminder of it's all about being
able to be creative. And then like and then I
got over the anxiety of like, oh my god, like
I haven't made a certain amount of money in the
last couple of years, but you know what am I
going to do? And then like I had the strike
edited and I was like, well, I guess I'll like
tutor to make some money. It's a shame about that
(32:01):
went away. Whereas before I would have felt so like,
oh my god, I'm failing, right, but I wasn't because
I suddenly was like doing stuff even though sometimes, as
you pointed out, Oliver, the doing stuff doesn't make you
money in the early stages.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
I love what you said, you know about going back
to sort of your roots in a way, and it's
like a it's like a family. It's like the original
family band sort of gets together and it's a short movie.
And I always say this to my friends and even
my sister and my family because it's being creative without judgment,
because right now we it's such a business, you know,
(32:45):
it's like how do we fit this into the lane
that they want? Or I'm trying to, you know, rather
than when we were kids, I would make movies every weekend.
I didn't even want to be an actor. I wanted
to direct and write and produce, and like that's what
I did. My sister was acting, and I was I
had cameras and filters and lenses and you know, and
I always I want to get back to that way
(33:08):
of making movies again, where it's that freedom of like
let's just play and have fun and put absolutely no
pressure on it.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yeah, you know Bell Even then people were like my
manager was like, okay, so then what's the feature of
the short? And I was like, I don't know, Like
that's not that wasn't where my head was at at
the time. And I think it was good.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
And also it there's the ability to do it now technically,
and you can do so much, which like when I
was started, you couldn't even do that, Like it was
not past of making a short film was. But I'm like,
just to tell you a little bit of Anna's film,
is such a good example of how to do that.
I mean, she had, in addition to the career patch
(33:47):
that she was going through off with the strikes and
all that, she had a terrible skiing accident and like
could have died, but really her shoulder broke her shoulder
in her arm and.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
U in Utah, Yeah, I sky Snowbird. I'd not getting
out to sky Snowbird.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
But yeah, you don't need to go to Alta, so
I don't think I want to anymore.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
I had her fall at Alta and and uh uh
and when she broke her shoulder and had this big surgery.
She and her husband actually at that time were kind
of were broken up as before they were married and
they were they were in a pause and uh and
she had I was like, okay, I'm gonna move into
(34:28):
your house and take care of you because she needed someone.
So I lived and she had a little house and
I lived on her couch for two weeks or something
and and we had this. I took care of her.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
So bathed me, like put wow.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
It was ever like since she was a baby or
a little girl I had I mean we've been close,
but it was like literally had do everything for her,
and she was in this terrible pain, and so we
just hung and I, you know, luckily, you know, I
wasn't working and I just come and and and lived
on her couch. So that was, you know, we got
she got through that and then moved on. But she
decided to make She said, she wrote the script about
(35:07):
a father and a daughter going through this exact thing.
So she'd made it. You under playing a little bit
because she made it, and she was gonna she made
it as a she was gonna make it as a
birthday present for me, and on my birthday the next year, like,
she did a screening for me of the finished film,
and of course I wept, but it was like the
whole everything that drove that was like good, Like it
(35:31):
was this intense experience. Anna had had this desire to
explore this idea to make her first you know, she'd
written a lot, but Jamaican first film as Adria as
a filmmaker, and it was connected to me, I don't know,
you know, and then ended up being this very beautiful
thing that's gotten this great response. So it's like if
you can those are all indicators of like, oh am,
(35:53):
I do I have the right like vibes going on
with how I'm approaching this thing I'm doing separate from
the business, you know, I find it out even in
the business, I'm not feeling that ship on some level. Yeah,
to be it doesn't have to be high art, you know.
(36:13):
But if I'm not, at least in my own existence,
feeling that connection with the people I'm working with, my
approach to the material I'm doing, whatever it is, you know,
I'm I need to kind of reboot myself. Yeah, you
know what I mean. Yeah, And when you're in that mindset,
it also attracts others who vibe that way too, I have.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Found, oh for sure. Well that's why it's a creative
community is always so fun. Yeah, everyone's a little crazy
and fun.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
But Tony, going back to you and growing up for so,
how many siblings did you have?
Speaker 5 (36:50):
There are six of us, So, yeah, there's four by
my mom and dad and then they got divorced and
then Peter and our sister Liz is the or a
half brothers.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Okay, So what was growing up like for you in
the world of sort of Hollywood essentially or even outside
of that.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
Yeah, I mean I'm wondering I would compare with your situation.
My parents were an actress, but my mom had been
earl before I was born, but she was a painter. Really,
my dad having grown up in the way that he
grew up, you know, where his house as a kid,
you know, his parents adored him, but he was an
only child, and their house was a place of business,
(37:29):
you know, every night dinner parties and you know, movie stars.
It was all a place of my grandpa's business, and
he did not want that for his kids. So, and
my mother had grown up. The other side of my
family is also in show business. My mother's father was
a very successful playwright and screenwriter, and her mother was
an actress, and they were more in New York, and
they kind of literaty side of New York, you know,
(37:51):
the kind of New York intillientials. And so both of
them had had kind of successful show biz families in
different worlds and didn't want their kids to be exposed
to that. So they kept us completely away from I
never met a movie star until I was like sixteen
years old. I never was set. My father could have
been a lawyer or something, and I wouldn't have I
(38:13):
knew he was a producer. Yeah, and I knew. The
actors that I met were like their close friends who
were workaday actors. You know, we're theater actors. There's no
no one was famous sou and they kind of turned
us unto a lot of would take us to the
theater all the time and stuff like that, but it
was not show business. Was like I think he was
(38:36):
also protective but also didn't want He had this thing
about like us mad. He was afraid it would be
like spoiled Hollywood kids and feel entitled that, you know,
because we had a famous last name. So that was
he was very, very crazy about money and you know
things that he didn't want us to be spoiled. Really,
and for the most part, I was really grateful because
(38:59):
I discovered it later, you know. And and I started
to do that with Annon Tess and I'm you know,
as Anna said, they didn't get explo We moved to
Connecticut to not have because that was the approach that
I had. But I did a project once in with
a Mary Steamberge and Mary had said to me, you're
making a big mistake keeping your kids away, because like
(39:19):
we have our kids come with us and it's like
a circus and it's so fun and they love it,
and it's like, you're why would you keep them away
from a part of your life that you loved? Them
brings you so much joy? And I was like, oh wow,
you know by that time, Anna was I don't know,
you were probably twelve years old, but but it was
a it was a good point. You know. So there's
no right or wrong, but that's kind of how how
(39:41):
we were raised.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so you just you just sort of
understood eventually what your parents did, but then kind of
found it on your own.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
I mean that that. I mean I did know. I
was I very much knew what my dad did. And
you talked about his work. He hit what he did,
got it. Didn't go to the incidents. I go to
his office, but he was of Producers, which had an
all of it. Yeah yeah, yeah, but it was the
kind of like the Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Like the glamour of it, the glamour of it.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
Like and some people do bring their kids and stuff
going to premierees and events and in the fancy birthday
parties and all that kind of stuff. That was he
was just like no, yeah, yeah, you know, and knowing
all the differends than whose parents are doing what with so? So, yeah,
we grew up in LA and a lot of people
were in show business, but he was. They were very like,
(40:29):
uh careful about it.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
Yeah, yeah, I know, I thinking back on it, My
my parents weren't.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
We were at premieres and there's.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Pictures of us as kids and premieres and and we
were on set all the time.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
And did you love that?
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Yeah? I loved it. I loved it. I loved being
around it.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
That's why even today, when I drive down the street
I see a production of some kind with the lights
and the thing.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
I'm like, oh, like, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (40:52):
You know, I mean I get that feeling, you know,
because that was such a place for me to play
as well. You know, I made skateboards and skim and
the carpenters with the carpenters and I mean I was
just immersed in it. But my parents definitely, you know,
made a point to at least instilling us, or try
to instill in us.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Which I think they did a pretty good job.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
Like this isn't real life, you know what I mean,
Like this is fun and it may be something to
strive for if you love it. If you don't love it,
get away from it. But this isn't real life. So
within our four walls of the house, it was very normal.
You know, everyone's I get the question. Was it like
growing up with Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell? Like I
can understand the question, but it's a boring answer, you
(41:37):
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (41:37):
It was normal. I don't know what else to tell you.
It was. It was pretty it was great.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
They were great parents, and you know, felt pretty normal,
you know, so we were around it.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
But but I also did not like.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
When fans when I was a kid, when fans and
would come up to my mom we were like having
dinner or something like that felt like she was being
taken away from me somehow. And this is when I
was a little boy. But I still remember the feeling,
and there's residual feelings even at almost fifty years old
sometimes where I'm like, oh wow, I cannot believe that little,
(42:15):
that little, that little feeling still is.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
There, even the protective feeling.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Did you ever feel that with your dad of just
like you know.
Speaker 5 (42:23):
I mean, I'm not your mom is one of the
biggest stars, right right, Yeah, but it did. There were
periods where it was like when I was on a
hit is huge.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Yeah, And that's the comparison I was going to make,
is like, I feel like, because your mom is who
she is and there's like this iconic woman, I think
they're that protective nature feels really understandable there. When my
dad was on scandal, I was older, so it wasn't
as like I didn't feel as like formative for me.
(42:52):
But when that was happening and then suddenly there's like
all these middle aged women who are like, your dad
is hot, and I was like, this is too far,
and that became that became odd, And that's maybe the
comparison I would make. I'm sure of like what you
were feeling as a kid about your mom, because your
mom's a beautiful woman and people are.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Probably like, your mom's hot.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah, And that's when I'm like, that's where I feel
people don't sometimes respect boundaries when they're like fawning over celebrities.
But then at the same time, I remember Dad, you
have said in the past, like, what other job in
the world is there where random people will just come
(43:34):
up to you and tell tell you how much they
love what you do, Like there's no other job really
than being an actor or a musician or.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
Yeah, yeah, there are moments where it's oppressive, you know,
when you get in. But every time I start to
get cranky for a neighbor of ours in Connecticut when
when it was growing up, I was probably bitching about
it or something, and he's like he was in finance.
He's like, Tony, let me just tell you. I don't
walk down the street and never come up. Someone come
(44:01):
up to me and go, Richard, that spreadsheet you did? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Yeah, So it's all perspective.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
That is funny. How is it working together? You know
on the podcast? First of all, how long?
Speaker 2 (44:28):
How long has it been going on?
Speaker 1 (44:29):
It's new. We've we've released brand four episodes.
Speaker 5 (44:33):
Okay, great, but we've been working every about a year.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
How has it been working together? Because very natural, it's
got to be awesome. I mean, my daughter is my
young one, she's twelve, and there's this you know, I
have my two boys and my girl and and you
always hear.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Oh wait, a daughter's rather finger all that. I'm like, okay, whatever,
like you hear that shit all the time, but it's
it turns out to be true.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
I'm just so in love with her, and like, you know,
if I could have a podcast with her when she's
in her twenties or whatever. And I'm like, oh my gosh,
I mean for Tony, that must be so awesome. First
of all, just to be working with your daughter.
Speaker 5 (45:11):
It is.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
How much fun is that.
Speaker 5 (45:14):
It's like the thing we were talking about about the
joy of being able to share your work life, and
it's a dialogue that Anna and I've always kind of had.
So this felt like a very just organic extension. And
it's weird, like we share each other's work and when
when it's offered me, Ania will send me something to
(45:35):
read or give me perspective. We just talk freely, or
if I'm doing something, I'll send her to get her
opinion about what I'm doing, you know, a cut of
a movie I'm directing or something like that, or a
script that I'm working on. Get her. We said, have
always had this dialogue, so this is working together is
just a natural thing, but it is. It's really fun
and beautiful. And Tests too, you know, like when Tests
(45:55):
was in grad school and theater school during COVID and
she was like, we should make a short movie together
because I'm not we're not doing anything, you know, and
we had and it's like okay, And then she wrote
one and I was like, oh, I wrote this is
pretty good, and yeah, we're good, let's make it. And
during COVID we just made a short film together and
she'd never directed a film and said we should direct it.
(46:16):
She said, well, so I pulled together a crew together
and we made this little movie that she wrote and
and she got completely turned on by filmmaking. And then
so with both of them, it's and it was so
fun to work together. You know, we do. So we've
like it's weird and I feel like we I feel
like we've always do it, but we do.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Yeah, it feels like we've always been working together. I
think the difference with this is like we have well
there's a like an organizational difference of like, oh, we
have to like have a schedule and you know, talk
to you know, there's that side of it that is
actually fun and kind of new for us in terms
of like the logistics side of it. But I also
(46:55):
think that what has been the most cool about it
is talking to other people. I mean, you guys obviously
feel this doing your show for a long time, like
specifically talking to other parents and children and seeing that
there's so many universalities in that relationship, but then at
(47:16):
the same time how different everyone's relationship are. Because I
think that when you're living in your own relationship with
your parent, it's really the only experience that you have
except for maybe watching your significant other with their parents.
You know, like you're not that intimately in someone else's dynamic.
And so talking to people not just in entertainment, but
(47:38):
like in sports and politics and all this stuff, like
just just sort of comparing notes a little bit of like, oh,
what is it like for us to work together on this,
but then also what is it like for them to
Like we interviewed probably my favorite interview because it is
sort of in my wheelhouse. We interviewed the Texas University
(48:00):
or Texas women's basketball coach Bick Schaeffer, who's like this
legendary basketball coach and his daughter who is his assistant coach.
And to talk to them and be like they're I mean,
their working dynamic is much more intense than us making
a podcast together. And but just to see the similarities
and the differences and like how they speak to each
(48:22):
other and love each other and the dynamic and their family,
Like I just think It's such a cool thing and
anyone whoever has the opportunity to work with someone in
their family or that they're related to it is just
like such an awesome gift and experience.
Speaker 4 (48:37):
Well, I think I love the concept of your show.
It reminds me kind of of our show in a sense.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Yeah, you know, really.
Speaker 5 (48:44):
Your show is kind of an inspiration for us, So
it really was. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
Well, the sibling dynamic is so interesting, and you know,
it's you could.
Speaker 4 (48:55):
Be two and a half years apart but have a
completely different experience of your five or your mother, you know, like,
I'm sure your sister has a different perspective on your
parents than you do, even though they raised you pretty
much the same. And it's just watching it all sort
of go down and hearing all of the different stories,
(49:17):
you know, it's pretty inspiring. And it's actually brought my
sister and I closer to interestingly enough, you know, I mean,
because you're sort of intimately talking about each other as well.
And strangely, when I have the microphone from my face,
I feel more comfortable and vulnerable telling my sister things
about her or the way I feel about her.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
It's kind of like a mandate you're like, oh, I
guess I have to say because I'm being recorded.
Speaker 5 (49:45):
I think Anna and I are both like mutually respectful
of the business side of it, that that needs to
be handled and we need to proceed in this venture
in a professional way, you know what I mean, Like
on an emotional level, you know, it's like parent and
child in our friendship and whatever our relationship, we take
care of that so that that doesn't get you were
(50:07):
protective of that too, So we would never want anything.
I'm speaking for you, and I assume you feel the
same way. We wouldn't want anything to go sideways to
something where this became a negative thing, you knowship, like
that would be make the whole thing pointless of.
Speaker 4 (50:21):
Course, right episode ten, You're like, you know what, I
don't even like you it.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Turns into like a reality show.
Speaker 5 (50:28):
It might be really, we may make a lot of
money if we.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
Have that one exactly, But in a positive sense, has
it has it done anything for your relationship?
Speaker 2 (50:39):
You know? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (50:40):
I mean I think for me, like what has been
the most different is is that like professional side of it.
Like I think that we've talked so much in my
you know, entire adulthood about work and how you know,
the victories and the difficulties and all of that stuff.
But we've never had to like be on email chains
(51:03):
together and like, you know, have quit talk discussions about
how we're gonna, you know, what we want to focus
on when we're interviewing these people. And so I think
that has been just a cool thing to go through
because it's like being more entrepreneurial together, I guess, whereas
(51:24):
like our relationship has always been very filled with creativity,
as it has with my sister and my mom and
all of that, but but there's not there's never been
like a venture you know, together, And so I imagine
it's like, you know, whenever anyone goes into business with
someone in their family, as I'm sure it happened with
you and Kate, it's like, oh, well, okay, you know,
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we have to have a phone call about this thing
we're going to do. And that has never been a
part of our relationship. And so that's been cool. And
we're very different, like we're very different people, So just
seeing like how to each of our personalities kind of
operate in that side of things has been has been cool.
And you know, sometimes I'm like, all right, Dad, We
(52:07):
can stop talking about this now. My dad loves to
talk and talk and talk and talk about things. And
I'm sort of like we did it right this phone call.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
That's funny.
Speaker 4 (52:21):
Yeah, well that's the that's the ship that people love
to see or here. You know that that just truly
authentic father daughter relationship, you know, I mean the feedback
that Katie and I have gotten. Of course, it's guests
and the topics that we talk about and getting into
all the details and the fun stuff. But a lot
of it has been We just love hearing both of
(52:41):
you be brother and sister, you know, because there's nothing
more relatable. Everyone has well most people have a sibling,
but everyone has a father everyone, you know, So you know,
hearing that is just so that's what people want to
listen to, you know, like all right, hey dad, Dad,
like it's time to like zip it.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
It's for the story going way over time.
Speaker 5 (53:03):
Pretty much.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
Well, this has been so fun. I thank you guys
for coming on.
Speaker 5 (53:09):
Yeah so fun. Like I said, we really loved your podcast,
so we were excited.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
To oh, well thank you want to get you.
Speaker 5 (53:15):
Got really we were going to bug coming up.
Speaker 1 (53:17):
We do need to have like a multi generational.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
One hundred percent, one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (53:22):
And by the way, you know, just going back to
sort of working with you know, your daughter. I my
I did a movie for Netflix in January and it's
coming out in November.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
But there was a part for my son.
Speaker 4 (53:35):
He wants to be an actor, and it was this
age group and his name is Wilder and but it
was a big part. He worked more days than I did, right,
And I said, look, just he finished an acting class
outside of school, more of an adult class, And I said,
just audition for this to have an experience of what
you said, you're not going to get it. Just auditioned
for it. He read for it, went well, read for
it again, went well. Netflix came in five auditions later.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
Netflix was worried.
Speaker 4 (53:59):
About it because they were like, he's never done a
thing in his life.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
But he they were convinced.
Speaker 4 (54:06):
And I worked with him for living in Toronto for
twenty five so cool, six weeks and it was so great.
Speaker 5 (54:14):
Oh that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (54:15):
I mean, first of all, I had this, I had
this idea because you know, he's eighteen now, but you
know he's a teenager, so he's like all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
And I get it. I get it.
Speaker 4 (54:26):
But I had this vision of like this montage with
music and we go into our new house and we're
sitting down, we're eating dinner together and watching movies and
it's like we're like in love again. And we get
there the first day, I'm like, all right, like you
want to like get some dinner or something.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
He's like no, just walks up to his room and
close at the door. I was like, oh man, what.
Speaker 4 (54:50):
But there was a moment when he had one of
these bigger monologues and I had to be watching it
in the scene and I we cut and I just
lost it, just crying because I couldn't believe what I
was seeing, that he was in my world and doing
it and it was so abrupt that happened kind of
like this, and it was just this overwhelming pride.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
And I've never felt pride like that. And and I
and Tony you could probably you understand that, but the.
Speaker 4 (55:18):
Pride that you have for your children, there's nothing that matches,
nothing even comes close that feeling.
Speaker 5 (55:25):
Amazing. That's amazing.
Speaker 4 (55:28):
Oh my god. He loved it so much. It was
it was it was like, this is it, this is
what I want to do. You know, he was not
in drama at school, but then he joined the conservatory.
Speaker 2 (55:37):
You know, now he's doing drama at school. You know,
so he's he's it's.
Speaker 1 (55:41):
So cool, and that I mean that just speaks to
like the obvious privilege of having your parent know what
you're doing. Is like he then got to experience your
pride for him in a way like every parent is
proud of their kid. But I think that there's something
really special that I have felt in the past where
(56:02):
you you know what it's like, and then you get
to watch him do that. And so for him on
the receiving end of that, as I'm sure you felt
when your parents watched you and down the line, like
there's it's like this, it's like an emotional inheritance right
of like now and now I am giving that piece
(56:23):
of my creative self to my kid and they're also
exploring it and like flourishing from it. And I think
that that is that's like what's really special, and that
isn't nepotism. It's just like the beauty of like your
creative spirit.
Speaker 2 (56:38):
Kind of Yes, I love that. Would you call it emotional?
Speaker 1 (56:43):
I don't know what did I call it?
Speaker 2 (56:45):
I was good. I wanted to save that.
Speaker 5 (56:46):
Oh gosh, you recorded it. We're good.
Speaker 1 (56:49):
Your emotional inheritance.
Speaker 2 (56:50):
Emotional inheritance.
Speaker 5 (56:52):
That was it?
Speaker 2 (56:53):
Emotional inheritance. I like that.
Speaker 4 (56:55):
I'm going to use that. Well, thank you guys, and yes,
for real like reach out.
Speaker 2 (57:01):
I would love to. Sure, I would love to. You know,
we'll figure that out, but yeah, I know I will.
Thank you guys. All right, this was awesome. I appreciate
you guys. All right. Oh man, I forgot to ask
Old One about the movie.
Speaker 4 (57:21):
He's in PTA's new movie, I think, and I wanted
to talk to him about it just for a second
because Pta is the greatest director all the time.
Speaker 2 (57:28):
Anyway, that was that is great. It's great. It reminded
me a lot of sibling revelry, that that sort of
you know, vibe and uh, I don't know. It's always nice.
It's cool.
Speaker 4 (57:41):
It makes me excited in a strange way to work
with my daughter. At some point, she'll probably kill me.
Speaker 2 (57:49):
All right, I'm out.
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.
We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and
what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling. Railvalry.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth, Revelry.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
That's good, all right, we're back. It feels like remember
that remember that movie called Oh, Pump Up the Volume
with Christian Slater and he had this like pirate radio station.
(00:55):
Love that movie. I used to watch that movie all
the time. But I sort of weirdly feel like I'm
doing that sometimes. It just crossed my mind. I think
it's because I'm finding, well, the places to do my
podcast are becoming more limited and more limited, and right
(01:16):
now I am in my office. Well it's not even
in my office. It's like an office quote unquote, but
more of a storage room. I'm sure everyone can relate
to that, where you have a room that should function
as a room, or you know, something that you can
be productive in, but it just ends up as a
storage facility. Well that's where I am right now. Because
when I do a podcast in the middle of the day,
(01:38):
I'm okay, But in about thirty minutes, all hell is
going to break loose in my house. So I am
now have been relegated to a storage facility.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
In my home.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
And it just weirdly felt like I was doing something
sort of you know, sort of like not correct.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Back like back backwoods, like I'm a pirate radio DJ.
I don't know why I'm thinking this. Maybe I took
too much acid.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Anyway, this is fun. We've got a couple people in
the waiting.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Room right now. One man is an actor that I
admire greatly.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
He's an amazing shit all of his life and I
think he's actually in the upcoming Paul Thomas Anderson movie,
which apparently is incredible. Tony Goldwyn and his daughter Anna
Goldwyn are here and they're in the waiting room and
they have a.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Podcast that I can't wait to talk to them about.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
It's called Far from the Tree and it's all about
NEPO babies, and we're gonna get into it and talk
to him about it. But I just love this idea
because it's been such a hot topic forever and it's
so directed at, you know, our industry, the entertainment industry,
when really it spans everything. And I've even said that before. Anyway,
(02:53):
let's not listen to me, pontificate, Let's bring them in.
I'm excited to talk to him about.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
All of it. Hi, Hey, how's it going. Hey guys,
how are you.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
It's so nice to meet you.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Great to meet Shoot, this is so exciting. You know.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
First of all, Tony, I've loved everything that you've done.
I mean, you're an amazing talent.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Peter is your brother, right, you remember?
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (03:17):
He told me did you guys go to school together?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
He just yeah, we were. But he lives in my neighborhood.
I see Peter all the time.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Yeah, Peter bought like eighteen homes in the neighborhood, sold
them all, and then now he's married and he's got
another you know, but I love Peter.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
We've just had a baby, fun times, just had a baby. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Yeah, we were talking about you last week. I was
in LA and I can't remember how your name Cambell,
but I remember him telling me that that you guys
were friends.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah. No, he's great. Usually I start with he'll go
back into your life and do all this.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
But I just love the topic of your podcast so
much because it's something that I talk about all the time.
Not just in my personal life or with Kate, but
even on our show, you know, about nepotism and about
how it sort of has blown up, and how it
is for some reason strictly directed at our our industry.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Right as if it doesn't happen all over the place.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
It's such bullshit, I totally you know.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I can show you some finance bros who have definitely benefit, you.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Know, And I always say, look, we use what we
can get, you know. I mean, we always are trying
to get a leg up in everything that we do.
I would say and argue and tell me what you
guys think that in this business. Of course nepotism exists.
It gets your foot in the door. But you have
to prove yourself, you know what I mean. If you're
the CEO of a company, you can pretty much put
(04:36):
your son or daughter wherever you want. This is a
little bit different, you know. Yeah you can get the
audition or yeah you can get in front of people,
but at the end of the day, you still have
to have the chops.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
You still have to prove yourself.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Yeah, it's a complicated thing. I mean, that's totally true,
and especially in the creative industry, like ours. You you know,
you got to be able to put it on the
page or on the stage or whatever you think. But
the other thing is it's it's a complicated thing too,
because there's obviously there's so many I think the thing
(05:08):
that that inspired Anne and me and we would laugh
about the whole nepotism thing, but we also found it
such a like we thought so lucky to be able
to share that part of our relationship. And I had,
you know, like it was really complicated initially with between
me and my dad, because I think when you're young
and you're coming into something where it's complicated, you have
(05:29):
to create your own identity. That that to me personally,
was the hardest thing. Once I kind of got my
head around that, it was there such a positive thing.
And when we were talking, you know, Anna and I
we were talking about it and we thought, well, as
you said, Oliver, like every business in history functions like oh,
it's often passed down to the generation beyond that that's
(05:51):
a normal thing, but somehow in show business it's become
you know, the whole NetOp everything is. But it kind
of made us laugh. Were originally thinking of doing like
a Nephi podcast with Emily.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I mean, I think the whole thing is kind of
culturally quite interesting, And I guess the piece that I
always and maybe all really keep feel this well, I
guess Dad, do you feel the same way too, because
your parents? But like I'm always like, yeah, there's so
much privilege in it, and there's no skirting around that,
but at the same time, like it also can feel
(06:22):
like this immense amount of pressure and because you know
what's I've said this, like you know what's possible, you
look and you're like, oh, they did it. They succeeded
at it. They, you know, especially in this industry, figured
out how to do something that is incredibly difficult to
find success. And then in the moments where I've had
(06:42):
it early in my career where things aren't going so
well or I'm feeling a little bit down on myself,
I'm like, oh my god, what if I don't what
if I can't do that? What if I can't do
what they did? And so I think there's you know,
the there's the obvious privilege and blessings and amazing things
about out following your parents' footsteps or having that relationship,
(07:03):
but I think there's also a side of it that
can be really stressful sometimes unluckily when you have supportive parents,
it's not coming from them. It's usually like an internal thing.
But that I think that there's that balance too, that
often we're looking at nepo babies in our culture as like,
you know, the people who have had the most success, right,
But there's a lot of young people who are trying
(07:24):
to do what their parents did and who aren't movie
stars yet, or who aren't incredibly successful athletes yet or
whatever it is. And that's also the journey that I
find particularly interesting.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Oh yeah, especially because when you're looking when you're when
you're thinking about nepotism, especially in our business, usually when
it's a pub, when it's public nepotism, that person, that
parent has become something larger than life, you know, and
for their children to sort of try to live up
to that, you know, Like I grew up Goldie Haun
(07:56):
and Kurt Russell were my parents, you know, and it's like, oh, well,
to achieve what they have achieved is very very difficult,
so you put it into some sort of perspective. At
the same time, for me personally, it was the same.
It was also about not getting down on myself and
you know, just feeling like it was too big of
(08:20):
a task to accomplish, so I might as well quit.
It was trying to sort of forge my own path.
My production company is called slow Burn because that's what
I am.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
You know.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Yeah, my sister burned hot. She worked her ass off,
but bang things happened almost famous boom boom boom bang,
you know, And so for me it was kind of
like what about me?
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I mean, there's this.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Feeling that I have and still have, and I've used
self deprecating humor to cover.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
All of my pain, as what we all do.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
But you know, it's it's definitely real.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Those expectations, like you said, Anna, that you put upon
yourself are you know, larger than what your parents do.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
That your parents just want you to be happy at
the end of the day.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Right, Yeah, it's so true, you know, I because I
what I have. The thing that was it took me
really until honestly, until I was in my forties, I
think when I started to get my head around in
a positive way and realized that it was a you know,
my perspect because in one sense, it was a motivator.
(09:27):
The things you guys are talking about that that drive,
but it can be kind of a negative motivator and
it's completely self imposed. So you like I found, oh,
I don't you know, with the help of a good therapist.
Of course, I don't have to like sign up for
that that of that perspective on that I don't have
(09:48):
to sign up for that reality. There's actually that is
not the reality. So there was a process of self
re education and you know, that helped me personally, really
improved my relationship with my father and for the second
sort of in the second half of my life and
this second probably the final third of his life over
(10:09):
the second where there's a very beautiful relationship and our
and our shared work lives were suddenly as as opposed
to be something I felt somehow pressured by it and
assigned all of these things to him that he felt
judged or something. I was like, that's all bullshit, Like
I was just a childhood tape or something playing in
(10:29):
my head. And and you know, and anyway, it ended
up being such a beautiful thing that we actually shared
and you know, his struggles and you know he was
dealing with the same thing with his father. Example. Yeah,
you know year second, I'm third generation four, so and
he had a big weight of his father being Sam
(10:50):
Goldwin's you know, and and and he grew up in
like the red hot center of the Golden Age of Hollywood.
That was that was hard. Yeah, so he was you know,
I realized like, oh, manly what he did, and he
was such a good dad. And then the fact that
he was such a devoted and engaged parent, you know,
despite of whatever. You know, we all have our ships
(11:10):
right anyway.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
It's yeah, So what was that like though, with your
father coming to terms with it? Was it was it
rocky at first? Or was it was it smooth sailing?
As far as it was rocky for me.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
It was it was a little rocky. But again, I
you know, I think a lot of that was self impulsed.
It was rocky because he had a tremendous amount of
anxiety that it was not going to go well for me.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Mm hm oh oh wow.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
You know what I mean, Like because he knew my
dad was, you know, as a producer and yeah, and
his kind of perspective is that they are like successful
actors and they're not. He wasn't an actor. He didn't
think of it in the terms of like you know,
this is your passion and you're going, you know, try
and slay your dragons. So he was very supportive in
one sense, like, Okay, it's great you find a passion,
(11:59):
you're going to do this, you know, go do it,
and you know you can have to do it on
your own because it's not something I can really help
you with. But but but at the same time, I
know personally he just had so much things that he
was He so feared me failing and that was a
frailty of his. I ultimately came to understand totally because
falling on your face is such a huge important part
(12:21):
of every product, the creative process, career of figuring out
who you are. Yeah, and ultimately not being a we're
all afraid to fail, but not learning at a kind
of welcome failure and go, Okay, that was a face plant.
How do I what you know, you learned from stuff
and that the pain that you go through is is
what makes you an interesting person. So uh, once he
(12:44):
kind of was able to let go of that, and
I started to have, you know, got my feet on
the ground and he could let go of that anxiety.
It could that also changed. But so that.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Was was good at that moment though, where it's like, ah,
Tony fucking did it.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
He got he had there, he had his moment.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
He's on the he's on the big screen, and I
can I can now breathe easy.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Yes and no, which also was really a lesson for me,
and I've tried to like not carry this through to
Anna and her sister test And it was like he
would for a moment like when I got my first
big job, like first good part in a movie where
I was like popped out, people knew who I was
and it was all good. He was so excited and
proud of me, and all the like heat he was
(13:30):
putting on me about you know what's going this isn't
working out and what are you doing? That all evaporated.
He was so excited. And then in about a few
months later he's like, so, so what's the next thing?
Speaker 4 (13:40):
You know?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Want?
Speaker 5 (13:42):
What trips are you getting? Did they not? What are
you rages doing? You didn't get a like why aren't
you in that movie? He literally called me, I heard
about this movie. You should be in that. I'm like, pop,
Brad Pitt, Well, why should you do it? You should
call you should call you should like it? So yeah,
it was a bit of a and then I sorted directing,
(14:03):
you know, like some years they were. They was so
excited for that and I got made my first movie
as a director, and he loved that. We had such
a fun like community that. But then again it was like,
oh God, what's the next what's your next picture? You know,
and I realized, Oh, that's his Yeah, it's fucking him up. Man. Yeah,
I felt bad for him. I was like, we're good,
(14:23):
I'm good, We're good. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Now that's really interesting.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
I wonder where, you know, from a psychological place, where
that came from. Because the anxiety of your children is normal.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
We know that.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
I've got three kids who got eighteen, fifteen, and twelve.
You know, you want them to be happy, you want
them to succeed. Going back to falling on your face,
I feel like we're not letting our children fall on their.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Face enough these days.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
You know, we're such providing such soft landings for them
that I worry that the grit is.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Evolving or devolving out of us, you know.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
But at the same time, you just don't want them
to get hurt. I mean, that's the thing, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I think it also though, like came so much from
his experience. Like, I think that's also what's so hard
I'm at. I mean, I'm not a parent, but like
what I imagine as a parent is you're taking your
own experience and trying to like pull the wisdom out
of it. And I feel like for Grandpa was partially
anxiety that he didn't want you to have a hard time,
(15:20):
but also the anxiety that was derived from him watching
projects fall apart and watching things go away over his
whole career. And like, I think that that's something on
the receiving end of that as a kid, where you
it's like he was trying to give you a wisdom,
but the way he was giving you the wisdom was
in the form of anxiety as opposed to in the
(15:41):
form of, like, let me talk to you about what
this world can be. And I think that that's like
maybe the healthier way to have that conversation, whereas the
it seems like his instinct was to kind of like
brace for you because he knew that it was hard.
And I think that's something that I don't know. I
(16:01):
feel like you've you very much have avoided that in
parenting the intest in this business, Yeah.
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Speaker 4 (16:30):
Tony, How are you as far as passing that sort
of pattern down? I guess you could call it seems
like you are.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
You don't you don't have them the complete opposite.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Well, yeah, try try, you know, Like I mean, the
thing which your that's really is true. And about Grandpa
that because he had, you know, tremendous pressure of how
could he live up to what his father had achieved? Right,
And he had the same name, like he was Samuel
Goldwyn Junior, So he was really that was it. And
and so he was very tough on himself, like you said,
(17:02):
so when he experienced his failures and successes that he
that was just hard for him. So that's what I've
tried to to do a because I've learned to appreciate
my own the value of my own failures, which are many,
and accept that kind of pain. You know, as a parent.
It's been really the hard we've talked about this score
(17:24):
is especially it's hard throughout childhood. But even when your
kids become adults, you want to like you want to
keep them from that pain. And like with Anna, I
realized Anna, you know, got got successful very fast and
was always seemed to be a kid who had these
goals and would achieve them. She was an athlete and
(17:46):
worked her butt off, but I was and enduring pain.
But everything was always you know, she was able to
knock over her goals, and I would worry in her
young life, like, oh my god, when this is happening,
Like she's having too much success. You know, you can't
avoid the two by four in the head at some point.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
So, yeah, it happened.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
I was like, oh man, when's it? You know. So
then when inevitably an I went through you know, a
rough patch or two, the impulse is to run in
and try and help alleviate the pain and fiiction and
come up with solutions. And I really had to learn
to restrain that impulse.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
And wait for wait for her or your your kid
to ask.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
That's that's the big key, because it wasn't about I
didn't I was successful, I think, and not exerting negative pressure. Yeah,
but in I would try and charge in and then
had to really restrain me and you said to me
once and I think we were talking, was on our
podcast or whatever, but that that it was actually better
for you when I when mom or me was not
(18:56):
help helping.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yeah, I think that the way I had said that
was like, and I don't know, maybe both of you
can relate to this, but I sort of felt like
one of the amazing things about having parents that you can,
you know, kind of emulate after and also understand what
you're doing. Like I've always felt in comparison to like
my husband who works in the business but his parents don't,
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or people I've worked with in the past, it's so
amazing to be able to talk to your parents about
what you do. But I think what that often sometimes
cuts you off from is like seeking mentorship and other
people because you already know your parents and they can
help you, and if they're good parents, they're of course
willing to give you advice and guide you. And I
found that something that I I mean, regret is the
(19:41):
wrong word, but like that I've learned, you know a
little while into my career now and having like big
highs and very low lows, is that at the beginning,
because I had you and I had Mom, and I had,
by the way, so many other members of our family
that I felt comfortable with talking about work with. I
I didn't take it upon myself to necessarily like seek
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out other mentorship. And I think that that's a really
important part of being young in a career. And you know,
I've since found mentors in a really natural way, whether
it's working with people or whatever. But like there was
sort of a comfort of talking to your parents about
it because they get it and they know and they
can give you good advice and they know you and
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they have your best interest at heart. And so I
think now in the last few years, especially like a
couple of years ago, and I was really struggling with
work and I had other stuff happening in my life
that was really difficult. Like I kind of came to
realization where I was like, oh, I need to start
talking to writers who are older than me and like
producers that I've developed with going back to them and
(20:47):
asking them for advice, because I figured out that like
a default of mine was kind of just calling you
or calling mom or whatever. And I think that's great,
but I it's not this. It doesn't create the same
sense of like entrepreneurship in an early career, I think sometimes.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Hm, yeah, totally.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
I mean, for sure, I'm not even sure I've had
a mentor because it's been Mom and Paul at the time.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah, but so many people do you know. It's like,
my husband is an editor, and he had a film
school professor who was this really renowned editor and like
stayed in touch with him after school. And I went
to film school and I look back and I'm like, man,
did I not take advantage of like the people that
were there enough? Because in a really like jaded way,
I sort of was like, Oh, I'm already have so
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many people that can help me and that I can
talk to, And I'm like, man, I wish that I
had like connected more with that professor or like that
person that came to speak or whatever, because I didn't
have that void that so many other people pursuing specifically
artistic careers I think have when it comes to mentorship.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Yeah, so Anna growing up like you obviously grew up
in the business, it's generation you know on sets?
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Did you know? I mean, did you is this?
Speaker 5 (22:05):
It?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Is this what you wanted to do? You know? And
by the way you have you have one sister.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Is that one sister.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah, she's an actor. Okay, so we're all in it.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
We're all in. And my mom's a production designer.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Right, My my sister's kids want to act. You know,
my three kids want to act. My son just didn't
movie for Netflix, just did a little bit. I mean,
like it's it's it's almost we.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Have to have you and your son. We have to
have all the generations on our show, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I mean, it's just going to continue down the line.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
But so what was that like growing up? I mean
you immediately said this is what I want to do.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Not really. I mean we grew up in Connecticut, so
we grew up removed sort of like geographically from the business.
My mom mainly worked in New York as a production
designer sort of you know, so that and then my
dad would kind of work everywhere. But it wasn't like
all of my friends up their parents worked in like
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finance and insurance and whatever. And I think for me,
like my dad mentioned, I was an athlete, and that
was like that was my thing all through even like
elementary school, middle school. Once I discovered I was good
at sports, like that was it for me. And then
went to college for sports, and you know, I always
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felt creative. I was always interested in the business. I
would enjoy the pretty rare times that I would go
to set and see, you know, what my mom or
my dad was working on. But it didn't feel I
wasn't like a kid writing scripts. That wasn't you know.
I think there are a lot of people who are
like that, and that wasn't me. And it really for
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me was in college when I kind of was like, Okay,
I'm not going to go to the Olympics, so what
am I going to do after college? And I was
an English major, so I kind of enjoyed obviously like
storytelling and reading and all of that. And I went
to CLA and they have a creative writing program in
the English department, and so I applied to be in
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that and got in. And that was really when I
started to be like, oh, I enjoy writing and got
some external validation, which is always helpful.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
You need it, I get it.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
And but yeah, so it was like it was always
interesting to me, but I was not sort of like
this young, you know, thespian kid who was like all
in it. My sister was more like that. She was
like in all the school plays and was taking singing
lessons and that stuff. But I was like a total
jock and then did a little bit of a pivot.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
And then when was that moment where you said, oh, wow,
this is what I'm doing and I'm a professional now?
I mean, was it when you sold your first thing
and did you pitch something.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Or I mean, I feel like the point when I thought, oh,
I'm doing it was like my second year of film school,
because I felt like, this is what I'm going to do,
you know. I think the first year was like can
I do this?
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Is?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Am I going to enjoy it? And then the second year,
this was in grad school, I was like, oh, now, okay,
now I'm doing this, like this is actually going to
be my career. And then I got staffed on a
show not long after leaving film school and that very
quickly became like Okay, yeah, this is what I'm doing.
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But then there was, like, after you know, some success,
there was moments of doubt, as there always are, of course,
but I think that like one thing that I think
is similar between pursuing a career in the arts and
being an athlete is just like persistence, Yeah, and I'm
(25:36):
very grateful to have built that.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
No, I know, I mean especially especially you know, the
landscape right now of our business.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
It's just so gnarly. I mean, I haven't not been
on a series.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
I can't even remember, and it's been two plus years now,
you know. I Mean it's like it's just crazy and
just hustling up gigs here and there, just staying busy.
You know, I have a production company, I have a
dealer at Fox, and so I'm just trying to do
everything that I can and stay engaged and stay creative,
you know, because that's all we can do. Yeah, you know,
(26:12):
and Tony, I would even imagine for you, it's like
it doesn't change, you know. I mean Tom Cruise is
still trying to stay Tom Cruise and the kid from
IOW is just trying to get an agent. I mean,
there's not dissimilar sort of feelings. This idea that thought,
am I ever going to work again?
Speaker 5 (26:31):
You know? That is so true. And what I've learned,
you know, like whatever wisdom I've you know, sort of
gathered over the decades of doing this is you said
something really profound, is that I say this to my kids.
It's like there is no difference I wish I had.
(26:53):
You can't know until you know, but if I do,
there is no difference from the struggle that you have
when you're trying to get your first gigs or midway
through or when things you have the dry spells. That's
just the rhythm of the life. And and you know,
you're always trying to put together the next thing. And look,
(27:17):
you know it's tough when there's fine. When when you're
going through phases where there's a lot of financial pressure,
that's really hard. Yes, but you've got to figure it
out and push through and figure it out when you
you know, if you in those times, or if you
get to a point where you've been able to like
keep that wolf a little bit away from the door,
then the real hardship, I think comes when you do
(27:40):
not have a creative outlet. So so you know, we think, oh,
we got to get that, we got to you know,
if I could just get in that club, if I
can just get that, but I can just get that,
if I just get there, then I'll be there. There
was no there. I know, there's saying there was no there.
You're there, and you're like, Okay, I'm here, but I
gotta get if you're in that way of thinking about it. Yeah,
(28:02):
And the more as you evolve and mature, you're like,
oh no, I'm always there. I'm always in my process
with varying results. Some are remunerative, some I would happily
do for free, Some turn out to be shitty, some
(28:23):
turn out to be magical. You know, there's things that
are uncomfortable and pain but it's all part of the
same stew And it's literally no different than when I was,
you know, twenty five years older. We were going, am
I ever going to be able to do this thing?
I'm doing this play or whatever the hell I was doing?
Do you know what I mean? So that's that to
me is the reason, Like it's oh, it's all the same.
(28:46):
You got to take care of business, make sure your
rent is paid and all of that.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
The final thing I would say is you kind of
touched on it, is if you can stay creative and commune,
be in community with creative people that you vibe with,
you're like ninety percent of them. But then you're then
you're alive, Then you're connected, Then you're gonna you're fine.
(29:12):
Like then you're like, okay, I know I used to be.
I used to that. Yeah, I'm sure you have this
feeling too, you know, like in those long periods of unemployment,
trying to start out as an actor and just getting
doors shut in your face all the time. Then you
go to class or I had like a bunch of
friends of mine we formed a workshop that we did
when I was we were all struggling, and and you
just go and do like one piece of work or
(29:34):
connect with somebody on a creative level, and you go, God,
I was so depressed all like, and now all of
a sudden, it's like getting a drug. Why do I
feel good now? Why am I fine? Why am I like?
I can handle these problems. It's not the end of
the world. Whereas before I came to the class today,
I was like, oh my god, I was.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
So true, Oh God, so true. I mean, that's that's
what sort of this you know, producing side, which has
been a few years, it has been longer than that,
but has done for me because it's not lucrative. It
doesn't make them a lot of money until you get
something on the air, you know what I mean. Deals
are in place and it's all gravy. You know, only
when you get something on the air. It doesn't matter though,
(30:15):
right now, because the creative outlet for me and just
coming up with stories, working with writers, reading drafts of
scripts and getting that buzz from sort of just you know,
that collaboration of creation.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
And coming up with ideas. You're right, it's like a
drug that way.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
Yeah, it's everything I felt.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
I had that exact experience, Like twenty twenty two and
twenty twenty three were just so tough for me, and
the strikes obviously didn't make that easier, and and I
was like, really, I was in the mindset that my
dad was kind of describing of like, well, no one's
you know, I worked on things forever that then no
(30:55):
one bought or they fell apart, and it was just
like that, after that, after that, and and then the
strike happened, and it was like, okay, well no one's
doing anything now, I guess, And how can I try
to like reset myself? You know, there's no there's no
one to compare myself to right now because everyone's stopped.
And in that process, I made a short film and
(31:18):
it was like a small thing. My sister was in it,
like my free you know, it was like a family effort,
like my friend's help, my husband edited it, whatever, and
it was so fun and it was that exact thing
you were describing Dad of like, oh I can I'm
totally fine now, like nothing had really changed, but but
(31:39):
it was like the reminder of it's all about being
able to be creative. And then like and then I
got over the anxiety of like, oh my god, like
I haven't made a certain amount of money in the
last couple of years, but you know what am I
going to do? And then like I had the strike
edited and I was like, well, I guess I'll like
tutor to make some money. It's a shame about that
(32:01):
went away. Whereas before I would have felt so like,
oh my god, I'm failing, right, but I wasn't because
I suddenly was like doing stuff even though sometimes, as
you pointed out, Oliver, the doing stuff doesn't make you
money in the early stages.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
I love what you said, you know about going back
to sort of your roots in a way, and it's
like a it's like a family. It's like the original
family band sort of gets together and it's a short movie.
And I always say this to my friends and even
my sister and my family because it's being creative without judgment,
because right now we it's such a business, you know,
(32:45):
it's like how do we fit this into the lane
that they want? Or I'm trying to, you know, rather
than when we were kids, I would make movies every weekend.
I didn't even want to be an actor. I wanted
to direct and write and produce, and like that's what
I did. My sister was acting, and I was I
had cameras and filters and lenses and you know, and
I always I want to get back to that way
(33:08):
of making movies again, where it's that freedom of like
let's just play and have fun and put absolutely no
pressure on it.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yeah, you know Bell Even then people were like my
manager was like, okay, so then what's the feature of
the short? And I was like, I don't know, Like
that's not that wasn't where my head was at at
the time. And I think it was good.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
And also it there's the ability to do it now technically,
and you can do so much, which like when I
was started, you couldn't even do that, Like it was
not past of making a short film was. But I'm like,
just to tell you a little bit of Anna's film,
is such a good example of how to do that.
I mean, she had, in addition to the career patch
(33:47):
that she was going through off with the strikes and
all that, she had a terrible skiing accident and like
could have died, but really her shoulder broke her shoulder
in her arm and.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
U in Utah, Yeah, I sky Snowbird. I'd not getting
out to sky Snowbird.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
But yeah, you don't need to go to Alta, so
I don't think I want to anymore.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
I had her fall at Alta and and uh uh
and when she broke her shoulder and had this big surgery.
She and her husband actually at that time were kind
of were broken up as before they were married and
they were they were in a pause and uh and
she had I was like, okay, I'm gonna move into
(34:28):
your house and take care of you because she needed someone.
So I lived and she had a little house and
I lived on her couch for two weeks or something
and and we had this. I took care of her.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
So bathed me, like put wow.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
It was ever like since she was a baby or
a little girl I had I mean we've been close,
but it was like literally had do everything for her,
and she was in this terrible pain, and so we
just hung and I, you know, luckily, you know, I
wasn't working and I just come and and and lived
on her couch. So that was, you know, we got
she got through that and then moved on. But she
decided to make She said, she wrote the script about
(35:07):
a father and a daughter going through this exact thing.
So she'd made it. You under playing a little bit
because she made it, and she was gonna she made
it as a she was gonna make it as a
birthday present for me, and on my birthday the next year, like,
she did a screening for me of the finished film,
and of course I wept, but it was like the
whole everything that drove that was like good, Like it
(35:31):
was this intense experience. Anna had had this desire to
explore this idea to make her first you know, she'd
written a lot, but Jamaican first film as Adria as
a filmmaker, and it was connected to me, I don't know,
you know, and then ended up being this very beautiful
thing that's gotten this great response. So it's like if
you can those are all indicators of like, oh am,
(35:53):
I do I have the right like vibes going on
with how I'm approaching this thing I'm doing separate from
the business, you know, I find it out even in
the business, I'm not feeling that ship on some level. Yeah,
to be it doesn't have to be high art, you know.
(36:13):
But if I'm not, at least in my own existence,
feeling that connection with the people I'm working with, my
approach to the material I'm doing, whatever it is, you know,
I'm I need to kind of reboot myself. Yeah, you
know what I mean. Yeah, And when you're in that mindset,
it also attracts others who vibe that way too, I have.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Found, oh for sure. Well that's why it's a creative
community is always so fun. Yeah, everyone's a little crazy
and fun.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
But Tony, going back to you and growing up for so,
how many siblings did you have?
Speaker 5 (36:50):
There are six of us, So, yeah, there's four by
my mom and dad and then they got divorced and
then Peter and our sister Liz is the or a
half brothers.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Okay, So what was growing up like for you in
the world of sort of Hollywood essentially or even outside
of that.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
Yeah, I mean I'm wondering I would compare with your situation.
My parents were an actress, but my mom had been
earl before I was born, but she was a painter. Really,
my dad having grown up in the way that he
grew up, you know, where his house as a kid,
you know, his parents adored him, but he was an
only child, and their house was a place of business,
(37:29):
you know, every night dinner parties and you know, movie stars.
It was all a place of my grandpa's business, and
he did not want that for his kids. So, and
my mother had grown up. The other side of my
family is also in show business. My mother's father was
a very successful playwright and screenwriter, and her mother was
an actress, and they were more in New York, and
they kind of literaty side of New York, you know,
(37:51):
the kind of New York intillientials. And so both of
them had had kind of successful show biz families in
different worlds and didn't want their kids to be exposed
to that. So they kept us completely away from I
never met a movie star until I was like sixteen
years old. I never was set. My father could have
been a lawyer or something, and I wouldn't have I
(38:13):
knew he was a producer. Yeah, and I knew. The
actors that I met were like their close friends who
were workaday actors. You know, we're theater actors. There's no
no one was famous sou and they kind of turned
us unto a lot of would take us to the
theater all the time and stuff like that, but it
was not show business. Was like I think he was
(38:36):
also protective but also didn't want He had this thing
about like us mad. He was afraid it would be
like spoiled Hollywood kids and feel entitled that, you know,
because we had a famous last name. So that was
he was very, very crazy about money and you know
things that he didn't want us to be spoiled. Really,
and for the most part, I was really grateful because
(38:59):
I discovered it later, you know. And and I started
to do that with Annon Tess and I'm you know,
as Anna said, they didn't get explo We moved to
Connecticut to not have because that was the approach that
I had. But I did a project once in with
a Mary Steamberge and Mary had said to me, you're
making a big mistake keeping your kids away, because like
(39:19):
we have our kids come with us and it's like
a circus and it's so fun and they love it,
and it's like, you're why would you keep them away
from a part of your life that you loved? Them
brings you so much joy? And I was like, oh wow,
you know by that time, Anna was I don't know,
you were probably twelve years old, but but it was
a it was a good point. You know. So there's
no right or wrong, but that's kind of how how
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we were raised.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so you just you just sort of
understood eventually what your parents did, but then kind of
found it on your own.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
I mean that that. I mean I did know. I
was I very much knew what my dad did. And
you talked about his work. He hit what he did,
got it. Didn't go to the incidents. I go to
his office, but he was of Producers, which had an
all of it. Yeah yeah, yeah, but it was the
kind of like the Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Like the glamour of it, the glamour of it.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
Like and some people do bring their kids and stuff
going to premierees and events and in the fancy birthday
parties and all that kind of stuff. That was he
was just like no, yeah, yeah, you know, and knowing
all the differends than whose parents are doing what with so? So, yeah,
we grew up in LA and a lot of people
were in show business, but he was. They were very like,
(40:29):
uh careful about it.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
Yeah, yeah, I know, I thinking back on it, My
my parents weren't.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
We were at premieres and there's.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Pictures of us as kids and premieres and and we
were on set all the time.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
And did you love that?
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Yeah? I loved it. I loved it. I loved being
around it.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
That's why even today, when I drive down the street
I see a production of some kind with the lights
and the thing.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
I'm like, oh, like, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (40:52):
You know, I mean I get that feeling, you know,
because that was such a place for me to play
as well. You know, I made skateboards and skim and
the carpenters with the carpenters and I mean I was
just immersed in it. But my parents definitely, you know,
made a point to at least instilling us, or try
to instill in us.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Which I think they did a pretty good job.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
Like this isn't real life, you know what I mean,
Like this is fun and it may be something to
strive for if you love it. If you don't love it,
get away from it. But this isn't real life. So
within our four walls of the house, it was very normal.
You know, everyone's I get the question. Was it like
growing up with Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell? Like I
can understand the question, but it's a boring answer, you
(41:37):
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (41:37):
It was normal. I don't know what else to tell you.
It was. It was pretty it was great.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
They were great parents, and you know, felt pretty normal,
you know, so we were around it.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
But but I also did not like.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
When fans when I was a kid, when fans and
would come up to my mom we were like having
dinner or something like that felt like she was being
taken away from me somehow. And this is when I
was a little boy. But I still remember the feeling,
and there's residual feelings even at almost fifty years old
sometimes where I'm like, oh wow, I cannot believe that little,
(42:15):
that little, that little feeling still is.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
There, even the protective feeling.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Did you ever feel that with your dad of just
like you know.
Speaker 5 (42:23):
I mean, I'm not your mom is one of the
biggest stars, right right, Yeah, but it did. There were
periods where it was like when I was on a
hit is huge.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Yeah, And that's the comparison I was going to make,
is like, I feel like, because your mom is who
she is and there's like this iconic woman, I think
they're that protective nature feels really understandable there. When my
dad was on scandal, I was older, so it wasn't
as like I didn't feel as like formative for me.
(42:52):
But when that was happening and then suddenly there's like
all these middle aged women who are like, your dad
is hot, and I was like, this is too far,
and that became that became odd, And that's maybe the
comparison I would make. I'm sure of like what you
were feeling as a kid about your mom, because your
mom's a beautiful woman and people are.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Probably like, your mom's hot.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah, And that's when I'm like, that's where I feel
people don't sometimes respect boundaries when they're like fawning over celebrities.
But then at the same time, I remember Dad, you
have said in the past, like, what other job in
the world is there where random people will just come
(43:34):
up to you and tell tell you how much they
love what you do, Like there's no other job really
than being an actor or a musician or.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
Yeah, yeah, there are moments where it's oppressive, you know,
when you get in. But every time I start to
get cranky for a neighbor of ours in Connecticut when
when it was growing up, I was probably bitching about
it or something, and he's like he was in finance.
He's like, Tony, let me just tell you. I don't
walk down the street and never come up. Someone come
(44:01):
up to me and go, Richard, that spreadsheet you did? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Yeah, So it's all perspective.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
That is funny. How is it working together? You know
on the podcast? First of all, how long?
Speaker 2 (44:28):
How long has it been going on?
Speaker 1 (44:29):
It's new. We've we've released brand four episodes.
Speaker 5 (44:33):
Okay, great, but we've been working every about a year.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
How has it been working together? Because very natural, it's
got to be awesome. I mean, my daughter is my
young one, she's twelve, and there's this you know, I
have my two boys and my girl and and you
always hear.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Oh wait, a daughter's rather finger all that. I'm like, okay, whatever,
like you hear that shit all the time, but it's
it turns out to be true.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
I'm just so in love with her, and like, you know,
if I could have a podcast with her when she's
in her twenties or whatever. And I'm like, oh my gosh,
I mean for Tony, that must be so awesome. First
of all, just to be working with your daughter.
Speaker 5 (45:11):
It is.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
How much fun is that.
Speaker 5 (45:14):
It's like the thing we were talking about about the
joy of being able to share your work life, and
it's a dialogue that Anna and I've always kind of had.
So this felt like a very just organic extension. And
it's weird, like we share each other's work and when
when it's offered me, Ania will send me something to
(45:35):
read or give me perspective. We just talk freely, or
if I'm doing something, I'll send her to get her
opinion about what I'm doing, you know, a cut of
a movie I'm directing or something like that, or a
script that I'm working on. Get her. We said, have
always had this dialogue, so this is working together is
just a natural thing, but it is. It's really fun
and beautiful. And Tests too, you know, like when Tests
(45:55):
was in grad school and theater school during COVID and
she was like, we should make a short movie together
because I'm not we're not doing anything, you know, and
we had and it's like okay, And then she wrote
one and I was like, oh, I wrote this is
pretty good, and yeah, we're good, let's make it. And
during COVID we just made a short film together and
she'd never directed a film and said we should direct it.
(46:16):
She said, well, so I pulled together a crew together
and we made this little movie that she wrote and
and she got completely turned on by filmmaking. And then
so with both of them, it's and it was so
fun to work together. You know, we do. So we've
like it's weird and I feel like we I feel
like we've always do it, but we do.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Yeah, it feels like we've always been working together. I
think the difference with this is like we have well
there's a like an organizational difference of like, oh, we
have to like have a schedule and you know, talk
to you know, there's that side of it that is
actually fun and kind of new for us in terms
of like the logistics side of it. But I also
(46:55):
think that what has been the most cool about it
is talking to other people. I mean, you guys obviously
feel this doing your show for a long time, like
specifically talking to other parents and children and seeing that
there's so many universalities in that relationship, but then at
(47:16):
the same time how different everyone's relationship are. Because I
think that when you're living in your own relationship with
your parent, it's really the only experience that you have
except for maybe watching your significant other with their parents.
You know, like you're not that intimately in someone else's dynamic.
And so talking to people not just in entertainment, but
(47:38):
like in sports and politics and all this stuff, like
just just sort of comparing notes a little bit of like, oh,
what is it like for us to work together on this,
but then also what is it like for them to
Like we interviewed probably my favorite interview because it is
sort of in my wheelhouse. We interviewed the Texas University
(48:00):
or Texas women's basketball coach Bick Schaeffer, who's like this
legendary basketball coach and his daughter who is his assistant coach.
And to talk to them and be like they're I mean,
their working dynamic is much more intense than us making
a podcast together. And but just to see the similarities
and the differences and like how they speak to each
(48:22):
other and love each other and the dynamic and their family,
Like I just think It's such a cool thing and
anyone whoever has the opportunity to work with someone in
their family or that they're related to it is just
like such an awesome gift and experience.
Speaker 4 (48:37):
Well, I think I love the concept of your show.
It reminds me kind of of our show in a sense.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Yeah, you know, really.
Speaker 5 (48:44):
Your show is kind of an inspiration for us, So
it really was. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
Well, the sibling dynamic is so interesting, and you know,
it's you could.
Speaker 4 (48:55):
Be two and a half years apart but have a
completely different experience of your five or your mother, you know, like,
I'm sure your sister has a different perspective on your
parents than you do, even though they raised you pretty
much the same. And it's just watching it all sort
of go down and hearing all of the different stories,
(49:17):
you know, it's pretty inspiring. And it's actually brought my
sister and I closer to interestingly enough, you know, I mean,
because you're sort of intimately talking about each other as well.
And strangely, when I have the microphone from my face,
I feel more comfortable and vulnerable telling my sister things
about her or the way I feel about her.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
It's kind of like a mandate you're like, oh, I
guess I have to say because I'm being recorded.
Speaker 5 (49:45):
I think Anna and I are both like mutually respectful
of the business side of it, that that needs to
be handled and we need to proceed in this venture
in a professional way, you know what I mean, Like
on an emotional level, you know, it's like parent and
child in our friendship and whatever our relationship, we take
care of that so that that doesn't get you were
(50:07):
protective of that too, So we would never want anything.
I'm speaking for you, and I assume you feel the
same way. We wouldn't want anything to go sideways to
something where this became a negative thing, you knowship, like
that would be make the whole thing pointless of.
Speaker 4 (50:21):
Course, right episode ten, You're like, you know what, I
don't even like you it.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Turns into like a reality show.
Speaker 5 (50:28):
It might be really, we may make a lot of
money if we.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
Have that one exactly, But in a positive sense, has
it has it done anything for your relationship?
Speaker 2 (50:39):
You know? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (50:40):
I mean I think for me, like what has been
the most different is is that like professional side of it.
Like I think that we've talked so much in my
you know, entire adulthood about work and how you know,
the victories and the difficulties and all of that stuff.
But we've never had to like be on email chains
(51:03):
together and like, you know, have quit talk discussions about
how we're gonna, you know, what we want to focus
on when we're interviewing these people. And so I think
that has been just a cool thing to go through
because it's like being more entrepreneurial together, I guess, whereas
(51:24):
like our relationship has always been very filled with creativity,
as it has with my sister and my mom and
all of that, but but there's not there's never been
like a venture you know, together, And so I imagine
it's like, you know, whenever anyone goes into business with
someone in their family, as I'm sure it happened with
you and Kate, it's like, oh, well, okay, you know,
(51:45):
we have to have a phone call about this thing
we're going to do. And that has never been a
part of our relationship. And so that's been cool. And
we're very different, like we're very different people, So just
seeing like how to each of our personalities kind of
operate in that side of things has been has been cool.
And you know, sometimes I'm like, all right, Dad, We
(52:07):
can stop talking about this now. My dad loves to
talk and talk and talk and talk about things. And
I'm sort of like we did it right this phone call.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
That's funny.
Speaker 4 (52:21):
Yeah, well that's the that's the ship that people love
to see or here. You know that that just truly
authentic father daughter relationship, you know, I mean the feedback
that Katie and I have gotten. Of course, it's guests
and the topics that we talk about and getting into
all the details and the fun stuff. But a lot
of it has been We just love hearing both of
(52:41):
you be brother and sister, you know, because there's nothing
more relatable. Everyone has well most people have a sibling,
but everyone has a father everyone, you know, So you know,
hearing that is just so that's what people want to
listen to, you know, like all right, hey dad, Dad,
like it's time to like zip it.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
It's for the story going way over time.
Speaker 5 (53:03):
Pretty much.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
Well, this has been so fun. I thank you guys
for coming on.
Speaker 5 (53:09):
Yeah so fun. Like I said, we really loved your podcast,
so we were excited.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
To oh, well thank you want to get you.
Speaker 5 (53:15):
Got really we were going to bug coming up.
Speaker 1 (53:17):
We do need to have like a multi generational.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
One hundred percent, one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (53:22):
And by the way, you know, just going back to
sort of working with you know, your daughter. I my
I did a movie for Netflix in January and it's
coming out in November.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
But there was a part for my son.
Speaker 4 (53:35):
He wants to be an actor, and it was this
age group and his name is Wilder and but it
was a big part. He worked more days than I did, right,
And I said, look, just he finished an acting class
outside of school, more of an adult class, And I said,
just audition for this to have an experience of what
you said, you're not going to get it. Just auditioned
for it. He read for it, went well, read for
it again, went well. Netflix came in five auditions later.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
Netflix was worried.
Speaker 4 (53:59):
About it because they were like, he's never done a
thing in his life.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
But he they were convinced.
Speaker 4 (54:06):
And I worked with him for living in Toronto for
twenty five so cool, six weeks and it was so great.
Speaker 5 (54:14):
Oh that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (54:15):
I mean, first of all, I had this, I had
this idea because you know, he's eighteen now, but you
know he's a teenager, so he's like all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
And I get it. I get it.
Speaker 4 (54:26):
But I had this vision of like this montage with
music and we go into our new house and we're
sitting down, we're eating dinner together and watching movies and
it's like we're like in love again. And we get
there the first day, I'm like, all right, like you
want to like get some dinner or something.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
He's like no, just walks up to his room and
close at the door. I was like, oh man, what.
Speaker 4 (54:50):
But there was a moment when he had one of
these bigger monologues and I had to be watching it
in the scene and I we cut and I just
lost it, just crying because I couldn't believe what I
was seeing, that he was in my world and doing
it and it was so abrupt that happened kind of
like this, and it was just this overwhelming pride.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
And I've never felt pride like that. And and I
and Tony you could probably you understand that, but the.
Speaker 4 (55:18):
Pride that you have for your children, there's nothing that matches,
nothing even comes close that feeling.
Speaker 5 (55:25):
Amazing. That's amazing.
Speaker 4 (55:28):
Oh my god. He loved it so much. It was
it was it was like, this is it, this is
what I want to do. You know, he was not
in drama at school, but then he joined the conservatory.
Speaker 2 (55:37):
You know, now he's doing drama at school. You know,
so he's he's it's.
Speaker 1 (55:41):
So cool, and that I mean that just speaks to
like the obvious privilege of having your parent know what
you're doing. Is like he then got to experience your
pride for him in a way like every parent is
proud of their kid. But I think that there's something
really special that I have felt in the past where
(56:02):
you you know what it's like, and then you get
to watch him do that. And so for him on
the receiving end of that, as I'm sure you felt
when your parents watched you and down the line, like
there's it's like this, it's like an emotional inheritance right
of like now and now I am giving that piece
(56:23):
of my creative self to my kid and they're also
exploring it and like flourishing from it. And I think
that that is that's like what's really special, and that
isn't nepotism. It's just like the beauty of like your
creative spirit.
Speaker 2 (56:38):
Kind of Yes, I love that. Would you call it emotional?
Speaker 1 (56:43):
I don't know what did I call it?
Speaker 2 (56:45):
I was good. I wanted to save that.
Speaker 5 (56:46):
Oh gosh, you recorded it. We're good.
Speaker 1 (56:49):
Your emotional inheritance.
Speaker 2 (56:50):
Emotional inheritance.
Speaker 5 (56:52):
That was it?
Speaker 2 (56:53):
Emotional inheritance. I like that.
Speaker 4 (56:55):
I'm going to use that. Well, thank you guys, and yes,
for real like reach out.
Speaker 2 (57:01):
I would love to. Sure, I would love to. You know,
we'll figure that out, but yeah, I know I will.
Thank you guys. All right, this was awesome. I appreciate
you guys. All right. Oh man, I forgot to ask
Old One about the movie.
Speaker 4 (57:21):
He's in PTA's new movie, I think, and I wanted
to talk to him about it just for a second
because Pta is the greatest director all the time.
Speaker 2 (57:28):
Anyway, that was that is great. It's great. It reminded
me a lot of sibling revelry, that that sort of
you know, vibe and uh, I don't know. It's always nice.
It's cool.
Speaker 4 (57:41):
It makes me excited in a strange way to work
with my daughter. At some point, she'll probably kill me.
Speaker 2 (57:49):
All right, I'm out.
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