October 27, 2025 • 40 mins
Expert advice from three MD’s and no co-pay fees!
Oliver asks OBGYN triplets Joanna, Sarah, and Vicky Bedell what men should know about women’s health.
From their expert take on perimenopause to the best therapies being prescribed, the sisters will see you now!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hi am Kate Hudson, and my name is Oliver Hudson.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
And what it's like to be siblings. We are a
sibling railvalry.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
No, no, sibling, don't do that with your mouth, sibling revelry.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
That's good. Oliver Hudson reporting live from Wilder Hudson's room.
Once again. It is twelve to ten and the kid
has come into his room unexpected. He's supposed to be
at school. Why aren't you at school number one for
your period? But that doesn't mean you can come home. No,
(00:55):
So I'm still gonna do this podcast from your room, buddy,
I need to I'm all set up. The people are
in the waiting room right now. Just hang out, Wilder.
I'm all settled in. Go into my room. My room
is better than your room anyway. Just go into my room.
Watch there he is. He's leaving his own room because
guess what I paid for this house. I paid for
(01:19):
this house. Thank you, thank you very much, love you.
All these clothes and computer this is all mine because
it's my money. Get out of here. It's Wilder Hudson. Everybody,
I mean, the kids, supposed to be home at three thirty,
not not twelve ten. He has a free period and
he comes home anyway, that was the intro. My intro
(01:46):
is my son introing into his own room. But let's
get to it because our ladies are in the waiting
room right now. They're triplets and they're all obgyns. Incredible. Actually,
I guess you could see one or then you could
see the other. I mean, how do they work that out?
I mean one can cover for the other. I mean
(02:08):
there's all kinds of things that they can go down.
These are doctors Joanna, Sarah and Victoria Badell, and let's
bring them in to get into this. How are you, guys,
I'm good. I'm not even gonna try to distinguish voices
with three people in general who are not triplets. It's
(02:29):
hard enough. So we're just gonna say this is the Bedells. Yes,
but this is great. Thank you guys for coming on.
This is so interesting.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
We were actually just talking about how we don't think
that we're particularly interesting, but it's okay.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Well I don't know you. I don't I mean, maybe
you're not interesting personally, which I doubt.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
That that's right, she's the boring one.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Are you the boring one?
Speaker 4 (02:56):
I don't think so she's the least funny? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Really who is the funniest I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Just my answer to that is always not Sarah.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Who's the who is the last born?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Sorry to label it correctly. Yeah, so I'm Joanna Sarah,
then Vicky.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Vicky Joanna Sarah Vicky from my left to my right. Well,
thank you guys for coming on. This is really a treat.
I mean the fact that you guys are all you
have your own practice together now, right? Was there ever?
I know that your was your mother and obi, yes, right, yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
We actually we practice with our mom as well.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Still yes, is she still the matriarch?
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Like is she still? Do we still listen to mom?
Meaning like all right, Mom, come on, like let me
do my thing.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
There's there's a mix of that, but she we always
end up listening to her.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I think you do you still? You don't? You don't?
You don't go against mom.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
It takes a lot to go against Yeah, I mean
do you no?
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Not to her face? You know it's always you know,
it's your it's your it's your mom. I mean, you
know they always know better but then there's sometimes when
you're like, okay, yeah, okay, mom, you know, thank you,
thanks for the advice, but you know, the kids are fine,
everything's going to be fine. So you guys almost didn't
(04:36):
have a choice, I mean, growing up in this world,
in this field. I was reading that you saw your
first live birth at what eight years old? Right? Do
you remember that experience because it seems to be a
flashballed memory, one of those that will stick with you forever.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Yeah, because there were a lot there are a lot
of elements that we're confusing.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
All right, that's well, that's what I was about to ask.
At such a young age, you know, how was that?
Because obviously there's the miracle and the beauty of what
life is and how it all goes down, and when
you really get quiet and think about what is going on,
it's completely insane. But as an eight year old, are
you just like, oh jeezuz, yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
You're not thinking about that?
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Yeah, no, no, yeah, not expecting blood, not expecting the
size of a baby's head, not expecting scissors to be involved.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Yeah, yeah, a lot of screaming, oh yeah, yeah, and
then our mom afterwards, wasn't that so cool?
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:37):
But was it kind of a moment where she pulls
you guys in, like all right, girls, it's time to
see what I do.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Yeah, yeah, I'm like all right, stand over there, Okay,
don't move, don't touch anything.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Just watch.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Were you asking for this?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
I don't remember asking, don't. It was just kind of
a perfect storm where we must have been out with
her while she was on call. She got called to
the ospit. It was a patient that obviously she knew
very well. Can my daughters come in? It was kind
of urgent and yeah, sure, stand to the side, like, yeah,
bring them in. I don't think this would be allowed nowadays.
(06:14):
Oh no, yeah, no, three completely unrelated children just stand
in the back.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah, totally. I mean, yeah, my mom brought me to
like sets, you know, like comes to your mom work.
You know this is different. It's like, hey, come see
mom administer in episiotomy and potentially, you know, take a
quarter around a neck.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
But you're right. The offer was do you want to
come to work with me with no, like you want
to close your eyes right here? Like hey, maybe maybe not.
You're allowed to say now.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Also, but also certainly we had gone to work with
her before, but it was in the office where she's
not doing that, or we would like go on rounds
with her where she's not actually doing procedures, she's just
saying kind to patients, and so probably like a yeah, same, no. No.
I remember once going on like postpartum rounds and she
(07:07):
was taking staples out of the C section squarre.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
That was very unexpected.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Never seen staples in like a person, and then being
afraid that, like, is someone gonna staple me.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
For some reason?
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, oh gosh, wow.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
So that was not when we decided to become.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
You know, of course that was not, but it was
imprinted somewhere in your memory, you know what I mean.
You know, it's funny because I was just I was
this on another podcast. We were talking about nepotism, you know,
and like the net bo baby and how that's been
sort of this big thing in the last few years
(07:49):
or whatever, the net bo baby, and it always seems
to have been attributed or seems to be attributed to,
like the entertainment industry, you know what I mean. But
I always say that's bullshit. I mean, nepotism is exists
across all jobs, all facets. You know, if you're a
steel worker, and then you can help your daughter or
(08:10):
your son get into that bang. It's gonna happen, you
know what I mean. We love a lot of the times,
we love what our parents did, and if we can
get a leg up, you get a leg up. You know.
So how much was that in play with you guys?
Not necessarily nepotism, because you have to go to medical school.
You got to work your way through. But at what
(08:30):
point were you all three? And it's interesting being triplets
because when you're dealing with different age gaps, you know,
just different different influences, different times of life. But it's
collectively it's like, hey, guys, let's all do this, you know,
like how did that go down?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
It's so funny that you say that just with nepotism
in general, because even obviously that's a topic now that
probably comes a lot for you just being in the
entertainment and street but you're absolutely right, it's really relevant
in the medical field. There's several doctors whose parents were
doctors and doctors in the family. It's a funny, despite
(09:13):
being from a medical family, I have not thought about
it applying to me, but that's definitely true. Oh yeah, yeah,
not from this standpoint. But you know, I think, obviously
we're smart so like growing up, and I feel like
it happened very passively at first with both of our
(09:34):
parents as obg I n's you hear them kind of
talking the doctor language.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
They clear like.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
People respect them, the friends they invite over for Thanksgiving,
you know, another doctor, and you just kind of hear
that language a lot. And sure, I think, maybe just
subconsciously passively, it never scared us like.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Oh gross, mom, don't talk about that like that's growth. No,
it's fine here and there.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
She would be a little gross, but for the moment
spart no, like, okay, you find some of that interesting
and sort of just gravitate to it. I think I
agree that it's unusual that we all happen to pick
the same specialty in the medical field. I didn't think
that that's what I wanted to choose, per se.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Oh you didn't.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
I did, eventually, right, And to.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Be going in it wasn't like I'm going into being
ob No.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
I didn't think so.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
If anything, Yeah, these deliveries, the scissors, all of that
was like, yeah, I don't know how much I really
like blood, So thinking some like at least to be
open to something, yeah, to be open to something else,
and yeah, it turns out men make really terrible patience.
That's my bias. Yeah, and I'm just gonna say ended
(10:45):
up gravitating kind of after medical school.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Was that kind of the same with all you guys
sort of going into medical school sort of thinking I
don't know, we'll see.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Yeah, I think generally yes, And then you know, you
go through all of the different options or you're forced to.
You have to see if you like surgery, psychiatry, pediatrics, everything,
And I think going through OBGYN it was just something
that's familiar and Okay, I feel like I generally know
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what's going on here.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
I'm not starting from zero.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
And with us, I guess you know, we all had
that same experience, so there was some type of a
comfort there yerhaps.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
B G I N is also a very unique specialty
in that most patients are well, they're not sick, and
when they're hospitalized, yeah they're not sick either. They're not sick.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
They're there for actually a really special thing that you
have an opportunity to be a part of. And these
are patients that you don't just see for one issue
and then do their delivery and not again, you follow
them throughout their whole life. And that's a really special thing.
And now we're taking care of patients that our mom delivered,
(12:00):
and now we're delivering their babies, crazy patients that our
dad used to take care of our patients, And so
there's not a lot of fields that are like that.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah, that's a great point. Yeah, there's a generational thing
as well, you know, and you guys are young, so
you're gonna be like I delivered your great great grandmother.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Yeah. So I'm very curious.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
When we first got invited to this podcast, the first
question I wrote down that I have to ask is
how how does like I would have asked Kate, how
does Kate pick a guy to cologist?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Is it just your mom's gynecologists? How do I told
her not to ask myself.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
You can ask you can ask me anything, like we're
a very open, very open book, very open book. That's
a good question. It wasn't my mom's. I know that
I have no idea how she actually chose hers. I
know I know who he is, you know, you know,
with with my my wife, he was just when my wife,
(13:04):
doctor Mandel, he just moved she just moved to LA
from Miami and yeah, and then I guess, you know,
before I knew her, I guess she had. By the way,
his name is Howie Mandel, which is amazing.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
You're being serious.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
So we have a random story about that. We saw
Howie Mandel with the mom in Vegas and at one
point he was like, you know, asking the audience questions,
are there any doctors in the house, And we forced
our mom to raise her hand kind of doctor, are
you a gynecologist?
Speaker 4 (13:36):
And he just ragged on her further.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah, yeah, amazing, that's really funny. Yeah, so you know,
how he's the greatest. He delivered all my babies, you know.
But his name is Howie Mandel, which is incredible, hilarious.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Yeah, yeah, that's how you chose you're of.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Course, if you don't have a comedian's name, then you're out. Yeah,
watching my wife, you know, she's fifty two and she's
I think she's in peri right now, not full, but
(14:15):
it still remains to be sort of seen. Obviously, menopause
right now is hot. It's all over the place. Yeah,
I mean it's really it's sort of in the zeitgeist.
It's out there. Yeah, you know, and I think it's
important for men to honestly, you know, hear about it,
learn about it, to understand what it is, to understand
(14:37):
sort of the symptoms and the repercussions of it as well,
because as men, there has to be some sort of
compassion for it. You know, we all need love, we
all need physical intimacy, We need a lot as humans,
and some need more than others. And men, you know,
want to feel loved and seen and appreciated just like
women do as well. And sometimes you know, there's a
(15:00):
medical situation that's happening where it can curtail that or
at least dampen it. And I think you got we
got to understand sort of what it is. You know,
there's that hormone hormone replacement therapies. You know, it's finding
the right balances. You know, we've been struggling with that
just a little bit, like from estrogen to production to progesterone,
(15:21):
Like what is the right balance here? You know, all
of a sudden, the period goes away. You know, it's
gone for months and then bang it's on. It's kind
of there for seventeen more years, you know, and as
I do it I'm like, babe, like you know, I'm
like kind of horny, like what's up. She's like yeah,
I'm like okay, I'm like, let's see month three. But again,
(15:44):
these are all things that I think men need to
honestly have the passion for and understand and deal with definitely,
you know. So yeah, all that being said, she's sort
of we've got Holle, but she's also found someone else
for or you know, the HRT stuff. What's your guys
(16:05):
take on all that, by the way, I mean because
it is because because you hear some stuff about I
don't know whether it's just all bullshit, but how it's like, oh,
it's not good and it's not good for you, and.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Yeah, so it's definitely not bullshit and it definitely is
good for you. Okay, But I agree with what you
said in that Obviously every patient is different. Finding the
right balance is important, and especially in perimenopause, things are
changing and things can change, and so in terms of
(16:35):
dose adjustments and things like that, Yeah, you have to
stay on top of it. And I like that she's
seeing a separate specialist for it. Whether that means yes,
doctor Mandel either didn't want to do it, or whatever.
But having it as a specific focus and that she
found somebody that's focusing on it is really important. And yeah,
(16:58):
putting the hormone game back in the and like in
the headlines in the last couple of years, I think
it's been a huge plus for social media.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
What do you think that's attributed to? Like, how did
that happen? You know, how do all of a sudden
it is in the headlines, it is on social media,
it's even in my algorithm, you know, it's like fishing
in football. And then menopause.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I'm like, yeah, well, I mean, so there was a
big New York Times article that came out in the
last couple of years by a journalist who's going through
perimenopause herself. And so I think now we're in an
era where we have the platform for women to make
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or just anybody to make an issue sort of the
forefront of social media or their accounts and their posts,
and it really is a bigger issue than everybody was
recognizing in terms of you know, obviously at any or
at at some point, women will go through this and
one hundred percent of them. Yeah, and the symptoms last
(18:06):
a really long time and they are not fun, and
now we just have a better outlet to kind of
get that off our chests and for people to hear it.
And so but a lot of this I think was
parked by an article by a perimenopausal journalist in the last.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
It's interesting because you're not it's it's not necessarily raising
raising awareness for some sort of a disease you know
that you're going to raise funding for It's it's almost
it's interesting. It's raising awareness for something that is natural,
naturally occurring, But it's more about you know, getting it
out there so people understand what it is. And I guess,
(18:46):
as I said a few times before, can have more
compassion for it and around it. I mean, do you
think it's benefited women just as or more men? I mean,
women know that it's going to happen, right, I mean,
and then they understand these are the symptoms. They know
that they need to sort of maybe get treatment for
it or however that's going to work. It's not something
(19:08):
that is new, you know. So it's it's interesting because
there is it is in the headline, So what is
it actually doing? Who is it for? It almost is
like for the dudes who are like, yeah, shit, Okay,
I get it now.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
That's so funny that you say that, like you're just
the second dude I've spoken to today, So I.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Don't know, Like I don't at day, I.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Don't hear that perspective like ever, So I'm not sure.
But yeah, it's very interesting. It's a natural thing. There's
really nothing different necessarily about the treatments for it either.
You know, it's not like, oh wow, there's this brand
new shop product out there. No, these are things that
have been around for several decades and they work, and
we've had that knowledge for a long time. So yeah,
(19:54):
I think it's really just I feel like halle Berry,
I don't know, has a lot to do with you
have bigger name people kind of yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Did something big on it and Drew Drew had halle
on talking about it.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Truly like famous faces, like you know, wearing less makeup
and just like yeah, this is me, this is my
age and I'm owning it, like you know, people not
dyeing their hair so much. I think that that has
also helped move it forward to if like, all right,
this is just normal stuff. It's really that normal though,
to like have a hot flash every five minutes like,
does that happen to you? Maybe it's just sparked conversation
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and created these like mini links all along the way
to have it be more popular in social media.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I think too, there's just a camaraderie in knowing that
you're not alone, even though you know you're not alone,
you know. I like having I wouldn't say suffer, but
I have suffered, you know. I'm an anxiety like I'm
on lexapro. It's been a part of my life, you know.
And of course I know that millions of people suffer
from anxiety, that it's far worse to what I go through.
(20:56):
But at the same time, just talking to someone or
you know, experiencing, you know, a conversation with someone who's
in the same boat, there's comfort in it. Strangely, Oh
you know, even though you know you're not alone, but
when it's out there like oh fuck, yeah, okay, that's me,
I get it, you know. So there's something about that
(21:16):
that club as well.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Yeah, you know, I think there are also a lot
more because one or two generations ago, there were more
just male physicians in general, and so now that's kind
of aging out where there are more just perimenopausal and
menopausal gynecologists who at least once they get to this stage,
(21:39):
they're like, wait, what, Like, I don't want to deal
with this for years. I don't have to deal with
this for years. And there was also a lot of
misinformation and misinterpretation about the safety of hormone replacement, and
so now it's just kind of the perfect storm where
I guess women just aren't standing for Okay, this is natural, Like,
(22:00):
let's not do anything about it. Wait, what, I want
to enjoy the last third of my life and not
be really bogged down by bothersome symptoms.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah, So what explain perimenopause and then moving into menopause, Like,
what is the difference?
Speaker 3 (22:17):
So the definition of menopause is no periods for one year, okay,
overage whatever. Obviously you won't know that until it has
already been a year, and so sort of the time
leading up to that, when you're getting irregular periods and
menopausal symptoms is pery menopause for some women, and that
(22:42):
amount of time can be variable for some people. That
perimenopause can last ten years of irregular periods, flashes, symptoms. Yeah,
because your hormones don't really just fall one day. They
go on a roller coaster on the way down.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
I really try to go back to normal, but they can't.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
And yeah, and that sort of hormone chaos is perimenopause.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
But do the symptoms change, you know, once you once
you have that year with no period and you are
in official menopause. Is did the symptoms go away for
some maybe?
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah, for some people, yes, for some people. Know, everybody's
experience is a little different. Some women will continue to
have symptoms, maybe not every symptom and maybe not to
the same degree, but eventually they do get better, but
not in a predictable way.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Right Oh really yeah, not for everybody. It's just different.
It can just like boom, something goes away or it's
different for everyone.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Yeah, no, crystal Ball, No ten years, Yeah, no, I
still have some time. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
I still have patients that are in their sixties late
sixties that still have hot flashes. Yeah, really manage it.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Yes, I know I call them the unlucky ducks. But
but yeah, I know you can still treat that.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yes, yeah, and does it sometimes take a while to
find the right balance. And I'm speaking for my wife.
I she's here. Yes, I would love to talk to you,
but like you know, it's just been it's like, oh god,
it's like the testosterone, the progesterone, too much estrogen, I
don't enough estrogen and then no, no, no, you know
it's like the bloating and the sensitive breasts, and it's
(24:38):
like it's almost like this fine balance at least yes, her,
it seems.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Yeah, especially in perimenopause, right, just because you're still having
so many just natural hormone fluctuations that it can be
hard to Yeah, it can be hard to catch up
with medicine with that, but yeah, stick with it.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
It's worth it.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
No, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I know, I know
she's uh, she's a trooper for sure. But I want
to get back to one thing you said earlier. Joanna
said earlier, you got into the practice because men are
horrible patients. I have to I want you to expand
(25:22):
on that a little bit because I think I agree
with you. You know, but I'm wondering where that comes from.
How are they horrible? How are they worse?
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I have a theory and sometimes and it's funny, I
talked to my patients about this. Sometimes when you're like,
oh man, my husband, like he doesn't understand any of this,
and I think it's because from a very young age,
girls start getting their period, like sometimes when they start
nine years old, So at some point, at a very
(25:53):
young age, girls are already paying attention to their bodies,
like by force, you have to pay attention, So we're
just kind of naturally doing that from a young age,
Like what you boys have to pay attention to the
like yeah, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine. I don't
need to go to the doctor. I'm fine, nothing's going on.
Yeah yeah, where they just ask another boy and they're like, yeah,
(26:15):
you're good.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Yeah, you're like what is this thing on my knee?
Like I don't know, You're fine.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Right, Yeah. I definitely noticed, like it's gonna say I
look young.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
And I definitely did, like in medical school, and I
really felt treated that way, like whenever you're walking around
with the team of doctors, you're the girl on the team,
you look the youngest, you appear maybe to me, I
don't know, like the most ignorable and like I don't know,
I could it felt like men.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Some of the men talk to me like that, like
not looking at me or like okay. There was one
time I walked into a room because they would send
the medical students to do different things and uh, the
guy in the bed.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Even like an audible.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
You're here anyway, and just you know, little things like that.
And it was very easy to notice that women didn't
do that, just straight up they didn't do that.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Or you could tell like you're trying to explain something
to them and they're like, uh huh uh huh, thank you,
you know what, you remind me of my daughter.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Oh gosh, So you could just.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Tell that it felt like they weren't taking me very seriously,
and women just by comparison, didn't do that.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Yeah. Yeah, But I wonder if there's something even overall
where men are just wimpier just generally when it comes
to medical stuff like I don't want to needle like
you know, you know, and women are just just tougher
just generally when it comes to this.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Definitely, definitely, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Well, let me let me ask a question. And actually,
because you your patients are women, but you see men
all the time because the fathers, right, So, how how
has that sort of been Do you get all kinds
of different dads in there, you know, some were really
into it, some who are just nutty. I mean, yes,
but a.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Weird common theme is a lot of them wear Star
Wars theme shirts to the deliveries.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Not kidding?
Speaker 3 (28:26):
What?
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Why?
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Why?
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Unclear? I didn't notice, just not paying attention.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
That is so funny.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Yeah, there are all kinds of dads. I would actually
say most of the dads that we've encountered have actually
been pretty good.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Yeah. Some of them have more questions, some of them
have no questions. Yeah, it's a whole range. Yeah, yeah,
but I don't know that's not them.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
I'm going to put another no in the mail column.
I don't think that that's the fairest time to assess,
because you know, they're coming in a little happier.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
I didn't they know whatever. Our patients are very nice,
but like, how am I supposed to behave in this situation?
But better be extra nice? I better be that.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
It's kind of a biased time.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Yeah, it's generally a happy, exciting time. And yeah they're anxious,
but usually happy anxious.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Yeah, yeah, until it goes wrong, Like you know, I mean,
there's all again, it's beautiful ninety percent of the time,
but you guys have to deal with a lot of
heartbreaking stuff as well, you know. I mean that's part
of the job, right.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Things can definitely, you know, change in an instant from
exciting to really really scary, and emergencies can happen.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Yeah, it's just one of those fields.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
How do you deal with that? Do you have to
sort of do you have to separate yourself a little
bit from the emotion of it?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah, I mean, certainly in the moment, we're all well
trained to handle the emergency at hand, and you're really
not thinking about the emotional part, like when you're in
the uh you know, kind of leads with things. But afterwards,
really that kind of stuff hits me when I get
home or like on the drive away from the hospital.
(30:23):
But yeah, I mean, and it is nice in those
situations to at least work with family where everybody is
immediately understanding as to what happened. I mean, even medically,
you like don't even have to go through what the
emergency was, you know, because they're all.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Totally understanding what just happened. And for the emotional support part,
or we were literally there or we were there together
a good amount of the time. So yeah, that's been helpful.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
So how does one choose one of you?
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Guys?
Speaker 1 (31:04):
It's like you're triplets. Okay, let's see, like you know,
they're all great, and they're all the they're all very similar,
you know, like you're nicer than you if beds does
anybody be like Liz, does the one of you have
better bedside manner than the other or you know what
I'm saying, like or is it just they get all
of you? If if my wife is coming in into
(31:25):
your practice, like we had all three.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Yes, so yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
We would rotate kind of you know, the first visit
and you see Joanna and then Sarah than Vicki and
we have our own individual call schedule.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
So whatever day happened to fall on delivery for the delivery,
then that's the doctor that you got.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
But we would make efforts if it wasn't in the
middle of the night to have like two of us
come show up at the delivery or in rare cases,
all three.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
If it just happened to work out that way, then yeah,
or who was it?
Speaker 3 (32:06):
There were patients that delivered the day you delivered, Yeah,
oh yeah, we were all there. Yeah, they and I
delivered babies the day that Joanna.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Had her baby, just question, you're not asked. They were
not my obi.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
That was literally going to be my next question. I've said,
you guys have kids, Yes.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Well they do. I'm pregnant now, oh look at.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
You congratulations amazing. Yeah wait, so you are not delivering
your sister's kids.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
Absolutely not. Why why we established that boundary?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
No, even before any of us got pregnant, we talked
about it and at first like, oh, that would be
so so cool, but then you know, the reality sets
in of well, if there truly was an emergency, like
God forbid you had to rush into a sea section
on your sister, and you're like, it's really scary, and
if God forbid anything were to go wrong or happened, like.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
How do you live with that guilt of like yeah,
you know.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
So it was just no, but we were present for
all of the deliveries.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
At the leg holders. Yeah. Yeah, but it was also
a really good thing.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
So Joanna, her daughter Jane, was the first baby that
was born amongst the three of us, and we were
all there and as soon as she was born, instantly
all of us were just an inconsolable.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Tears, like happy tears. Yeah, and so we.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Definitely had a moment after of like if I was
delivering your baby, like I wouldn't have been able to.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Do anything, right, Yeah, I think that's so smart though,
really you know, yeah, it worked out. I guess it
out weighs all the fun you could have like push, bitch,
like what like, what are you doing? You got nothing?
Speaker 4 (33:57):
You know? So actually that is yeah. When I when
I had my person, I was pushing.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
It took like an hour and I couldn't feel anything,
and they were both holding my legs and it's like,
am I doing okay?
Speaker 4 (34:09):
And they were like, yeah, you're doing greage?
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Yeah, yeah, same, Yeah, you can raz each other and
it's okay.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
So I have a twelve year old daughter. I have
two boys and my little girls in this. Since you've
been practicing, have you seen any shift or change in
young girls sort of getting their period? Has it? Has
it gotten earlier? Are we is it we're talking about
you know, environmental stuff, foods?
Speaker 5 (34:45):
You know?
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Have we have we seen this at all?
Speaker 3 (34:48):
So I actually maybe not like since we've been practicing,
but certainly since we were little and compared to this
day and age, the actual age of the onset of
periods has shifted towards a little bit younger, and what's
considered a normal range of first period is has shifted
to a younger age. I don't know we can account
(35:13):
for like one specific environmental thing to explain that, but
I mean it's got.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
To be something environment It's got to be something, right, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
I don't know, but I always I can't imagine getting
a period at age nine or whenever I hear patients. Yeah,
girls as young as eight and nine can get periods,
and I just always feel bad for my patients where
that was their experience, because that must have been a
very scary day.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Guy. Sure, oh yeah, oh gosh, no, I know. I
mean we're a very open family, you know.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Rio.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Sometimes Rio, she's like, I need to talk to mommy.
I'm like, what about me? She goes, I got to
talk to mom. I'm like, I'm like, did you get
your period? She's like, dad, daddy, you know. But at
the same time, like I could be with her when
that happens, you know, I mean, that's a it's a thing,
you know, is that that dads have to sort of
(36:14):
potentially deal with that first time.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Yeah, it's funny that you say that because even though
our dad was a gynecologist, any period question that I
had for myself mom, like, no, I would.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
Have asked them. I wouldn't. I want to ask my
mom either.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
I was the last to get my period, So yeah,
any period facing question them first, then maybe mom.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
And then never dead.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Amazing. That is so funny. Well, you guys, this is
We've done I don't know, hundreds of podcasts and this
has been the most interesting one. I mean, I've never
talked about periods and vaginas more in my life. But first, yeah, well,
(37:01):
you know, I think you have to be. I think
dudes have to They have to be. It's just part
of being.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Thank you, It's true. Yeah, not on really feels that way,
but yeah, I agree. It makes a difference, it does.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
It just makes life a little bit easier too, you know.
I mean if you have a knowledge, if you have
some knowledge, if you're going to understand what's going on biologically,
and then you may not take things so personally, you
know what I mean. Sure that's what happens. Yeah, but
this has been awesome. You know, where are you guys?
By the way, where do you live?
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Miami? Miami?
Speaker 1 (37:34):
You're in Miami. Okay, well cool, I appreciate you. Thank
you for taking the time.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
Well, I have one question.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
You can ask me anything.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Okay, maybe we've already crossed paths.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
So in nineteen ninety five, oh gosh, our family with
our debt, we were on vacation in Aspen.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Okay, just got back yesterday.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Yeah, we were.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
I don't remember where we were, but we were at
a hotel with our dad, and I remember our dad
coming back to the hotel room saying, guys, I just
saw Kurt Russell and Goldie Han in the hotel.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
Yeah, oh man, that would have been so cool. So
if your parents or you we're like, oh, are those
triplets over there? If they were talking about triplets at
this hotel and Aspen in nineteen ninety five, like around
New Year's if I.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Could already said that, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh my god,
we would have been like eight years old. Yeah, that
is funny. Yeah, oh gosh, what do you remember what hotel?
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Was it?
Speaker 1 (38:39):
The Jerome No Way?
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Yeah, we have to ask Phil. Yeah, that is.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Funny, amazing, amazing. Well, I will I will run it
by them. I will run by them. Triplets sometimes are
hard to forget, right, So it's like, oh, wow, right,
it's true. I'm gonna run it by because she'll remember
more than Kurt for sure, and I'll get back to you. Okay,
(39:07):
all right, guys, thank you so much. Yes, you have
the best day, you too, you too, Bye bye bye.
Well that was interesting. I don't think i'd be talking
about menopause and periods, but hey, Oliver Hudson, I guess
this guy, this guy all rudds and he does it all.
(39:32):
We can talk. Just burped into the mic. He just talked.
You know, he can talk. He can talk sports, he
can talk anxiety, he can talk feelings, and he can
talk he can talk menopause. Jack of all trades, master
of none. But that was amazing. That was fascinating, very cool.
(39:54):
Glad to have had them on. And now I'm leaving
because I have nothing more to say. All Rudson out,
ah
Hi am Kate Hudson, and my name is Oliver Hudson.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
And what it's like to be siblings. We are a
sibling railvalry.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
No, no, sibling, don't do that with your mouth, sibling revelry.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
That's good. Oliver Hudson reporting live from Wilder Hudson's room.
Once again. It is twelve to ten and the kid
has come into his room unexpected. He's supposed to be
at school. Why aren't you at school number one for
your period? But that doesn't mean you can come home. No,
(00:55):
So I'm still gonna do this podcast from your room, buddy,
I need to I'm all set up. The people are
in the waiting room right now. Just hang out, Wilder.
I'm all settled in. Go into my room. My room
is better than your room anyway. Just go into my room.
Watch there he is. He's leaving his own room because
guess what I paid for this house. I paid for
(01:19):
this house. Thank you, thank you very much, love you.
All these clothes and computer this is all mine because
it's my money. Get out of here. It's Wilder Hudson. Everybody,
I mean, the kids, supposed to be home at three thirty,
not not twelve ten. He has a free period and
he comes home anyway, that was the intro. My intro
(01:46):
is my son introing into his own room. But let's
get to it because our ladies are in the waiting
room right now. They're triplets and they're all obgyns. Incredible. Actually,
I guess you could see one or then you could
see the other. I mean, how do they work that out?
I mean one can cover for the other. I mean
(02:08):
there's all kinds of things that they can go down.
These are doctors Joanna, Sarah and Victoria Badell, and let's
bring them in to get into this. How are you, guys,
I'm good. I'm not even gonna try to distinguish voices
with three people in general who are not triplets. It's
(02:29):
hard enough. So we're just gonna say this is the Bedells. Yes,
but this is great. Thank you guys for coming on.
This is so interesting.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
We were actually just talking about how we don't think
that we're particularly interesting, but it's okay.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Well I don't know you. I don't I mean, maybe
you're not interesting personally, which I doubt.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
That that's right, she's the boring one.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Are you the boring one?
Speaker 4 (02:56):
I don't think so she's the least funny? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Really who is the funniest I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Just my answer to that is always not Sarah.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Who's the who is the last born?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Sorry to label it correctly. Yeah, so I'm Joanna Sarah,
then Vicky.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Vicky Joanna Sarah Vicky from my left to my right. Well,
thank you guys for coming on. This is really a treat.
I mean the fact that you guys are all you
have your own practice together now, right? Was there ever?
I know that your was your mother and obi, yes, right, yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
We actually we practice with our mom as well.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Still yes, is she still the matriarch?
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Like is she still? Do we still listen to mom?
Meaning like all right, Mom, come on, like let me
do my thing.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
There's there's a mix of that, but she we always
end up listening to her.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I think you do you still? You don't? You don't?
You don't go against mom.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
It takes a lot to go against Yeah, I mean
do you no?
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Not to her face? You know it's always you know,
it's your it's your it's your mom. I mean, you
know they always know better but then there's sometimes when
you're like, okay, yeah, okay, mom, you know, thank you,
thanks for the advice, but you know, the kids are fine,
everything's going to be fine. So you guys almost didn't
(04:36):
have a choice, I mean, growing up in this world,
in this field. I was reading that you saw your
first live birth at what eight years old? Right? Do
you remember that experience because it seems to be a
flashballed memory, one of those that will stick with you forever.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Yeah, because there were a lot there are a lot
of elements that we're confusing.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
All right, that's well, that's what I was about to ask.
At such a young age, you know, how was that?
Because obviously there's the miracle and the beauty of what
life is and how it all goes down, and when
you really get quiet and think about what is going on,
it's completely insane. But as an eight year old, are
you just like, oh jeezuz, yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
You're not thinking about that?
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Yeah, no, no, yeah, not expecting blood, not expecting the
size of a baby's head, not expecting scissors to be involved.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Yeah, yeah, a lot of screaming, oh yeah, yeah, and
then our mom afterwards, wasn't that so cool?
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:37):
But was it kind of a moment where she pulls
you guys in, like all right, girls, it's time to
see what I do.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Yeah, yeah, I'm like all right, stand over there, Okay,
don't move, don't touch anything.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Just watch.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Were you asking for this?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
I don't remember asking, don't. It was just kind of
a perfect storm where we must have been out with
her while she was on call. She got called to
the ospit. It was a patient that obviously she knew
very well. Can my daughters come in? It was kind
of urgent and yeah, sure, stand to the side, like, yeah,
bring them in. I don't think this would be allowed nowadays.
(06:14):
Oh no, yeah, no, three completely unrelated children just stand
in the back.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah, totally. I mean, yeah, my mom brought me to
like sets, you know, like comes to your mom work.
You know this is different. It's like, hey, come see
mom administer in episiotomy and potentially, you know, take a
quarter around a neck.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
But you're right. The offer was do you want to
come to work with me with no, like you want
to close your eyes right here? Like hey, maybe maybe not.
You're allowed to say now.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Also, but also certainly we had gone to work with
her before, but it was in the office where she's
not doing that, or we would like go on rounds
with her where she's not actually doing procedures, she's just
saying kind to patients, and so probably like a yeah, same, no. No.
I remember once going on like postpartum rounds and she
(07:07):
was taking staples out of the C section squarre.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
That was very unexpected.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Never seen staples in like a person, and then being
afraid that, like, is someone gonna staple me.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
For some reason?
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, oh gosh, wow.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
So that was not when we decided to become.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
You know, of course that was not, but it was
imprinted somewhere in your memory, you know what I mean.
You know, it's funny because I was just I was
this on another podcast. We were talking about nepotism, you know,
and like the net bo baby and how that's been
sort of this big thing in the last few years
(07:49):
or whatever, the net bo baby, and it always seems
to have been attributed or seems to be attributed to,
like the entertainment industry, you know what I mean. But
I always say that's bullshit. I mean, nepotism is exists
across all jobs, all facets. You know, if you're a
steel worker, and then you can help your daughter or
(08:10):
your son get into that bang. It's gonna happen, you
know what I mean. We love a lot of the times,
we love what our parents did, and if we can
get a leg up, you get a leg up. You know.
So how much was that in play with you guys?
Not necessarily nepotism, because you have to go to medical school.
You got to work your way through. But at what
(08:30):
point were you all three? And it's interesting being triplets
because when you're dealing with different age gaps, you know,
just different different influences, different times of life. But it's
collectively it's like, hey, guys, let's all do this, you know,
like how did that go down?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
It's so funny that you say that just with nepotism
in general, because even obviously that's a topic now that
probably comes a lot for you just being in the
entertainment and street but you're absolutely right, it's really relevant
in the medical field. There's several doctors whose parents were
doctors and doctors in the family. It's a funny, despite
(09:13):
being from a medical family, I have not thought about
it applying to me, but that's definitely true. Oh yeah, yeah,
not from this standpoint. But you know, I think, obviously
we're smart so like growing up, and I feel like
it happened very passively at first with both of our
(09:34):
parents as obg I n's you hear them kind of
talking the doctor language.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
They clear like.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
People respect them, the friends they invite over for Thanksgiving,
you know, another doctor, and you just kind of hear
that language a lot. And sure, I think, maybe just
subconsciously passively, it never scared us like.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Oh gross, mom, don't talk about that like that's growth. No,
it's fine here and there.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
She would be a little gross, but for the moment
spart no, like, okay, you find some of that interesting
and sort of just gravitate to it. I think I
agree that it's unusual that we all happen to pick
the same specialty in the medical field. I didn't think
that that's what I wanted to choose, per se.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Oh you didn't.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
I did, eventually, right, And to.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Be going in it wasn't like I'm going into being
ob No.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
I didn't think so.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
If anything, Yeah, these deliveries, the scissors, all of that
was like, yeah, I don't know how much I really
like blood, So thinking some like at least to be
open to something, yeah, to be open to something else,
and yeah, it turns out men make really terrible patience.
That's my bias. Yeah, and I'm just gonna say ended
(10:45):
up gravitating kind of after medical school.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Was that kind of the same with all you guys
sort of going into medical school sort of thinking I
don't know, we'll see.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Yeah, I think generally yes, And then you know, you
go through all of the different options or you're forced to.
You have to see if you like surgery, psychiatry, pediatrics, everything,
And I think going through OBGYN it was just something
that's familiar and Okay, I feel like I generally know
(11:15):
what's going on here.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
I'm not starting from zero.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
And with us, I guess you know, we all had
that same experience, so there was some type of a
comfort there yerhaps.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
B G I N is also a very unique specialty
in that most patients are well, they're not sick, and
when they're hospitalized, yeah they're not sick either. They're not sick.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
They're there for actually a really special thing that you
have an opportunity to be a part of. And these
are patients that you don't just see for one issue
and then do their delivery and not again, you follow
them throughout their whole life. And that's a really special thing.
And now we're taking care of patients that our mom delivered,
(12:00):
and now we're delivering their babies, crazy patients that our
dad used to take care of our patients, And so
there's not a lot of fields that are like that.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah, that's a great point. Yeah, there's a generational thing
as well, you know, and you guys are young, so
you're gonna be like I delivered your great great grandmother.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Yeah. So I'm very curious.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
When we first got invited to this podcast, the first
question I wrote down that I have to ask is
how how does like I would have asked Kate, how
does Kate pick a guy to cologist?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Is it just your mom's gynecologists? How do I told
her not to ask myself.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
You can ask you can ask me anything, like we're
a very open, very open book, very open book. That's
a good question. It wasn't my mom's. I know that
I have no idea how she actually chose hers. I
know I know who he is, you know, you know,
with with my my wife, he was just when my wife,
(13:04):
doctor Mandel, he just moved she just moved to LA
from Miami and yeah, and then I guess, you know,
before I knew her, I guess she had. By the way,
his name is Howie Mandel, which is amazing.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
You're being serious.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
So we have a random story about that. We saw
Howie Mandel with the mom in Vegas and at one
point he was like, you know, asking the audience questions,
are there any doctors in the house, And we forced
our mom to raise her hand kind of doctor, are
you a gynecologist?
Speaker 4 (13:36):
And he just ragged on her further.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah, yeah, amazing, that's really funny. Yeah, so you know,
how he's the greatest. He delivered all my babies, you know.
But his name is Howie Mandel, which is incredible, hilarious.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Yeah, yeah, that's how you chose you're of.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Course, if you don't have a comedian's name, then you're out. Yeah,
watching my wife, you know, she's fifty two and she's
I think she's in peri right now, not full, but
(14:15):
it still remains to be sort of seen. Obviously, menopause
right now is hot. It's all over the place. Yeah,
I mean it's really it's sort of in the zeitgeist.
It's out there. Yeah, you know, and I think it's
important for men to honestly, you know, hear about it,
learn about it, to understand what it is, to understand
(14:37):
sort of the symptoms and the repercussions of it as well,
because as men, there has to be some sort of
compassion for it. You know, we all need love, we
all need physical intimacy, We need a lot as humans,
and some need more than others. And men, you know,
want to feel loved and seen and appreciated just like
women do as well. And sometimes you know, there's a
(15:00):
medical situation that's happening where it can curtail that or
at least dampen it. And I think you got we
got to understand sort of what it is. You know,
there's that hormone hormone replacement therapies. You know, it's finding
the right balances. You know, we've been struggling with that
just a little bit, like from estrogen to production to progesterone,
(15:21):
Like what is the right balance here? You know, all
of a sudden, the period goes away. You know, it's
gone for months and then bang it's on. It's kind
of there for seventeen more years, you know, and as
I do it I'm like, babe, like you know, I'm
like kind of horny, like what's up. She's like yeah,
I'm like okay, I'm like, let's see month three. But again,
(15:44):
these are all things that I think men need to
honestly have the passion for and understand and deal with definitely,
you know. So yeah, all that being said, she's sort
of we've got Holle, but she's also found someone else
for or you know, the HRT stuff. What's your guys
(16:05):
take on all that, by the way, I mean because
it is because because you hear some stuff about I
don't know whether it's just all bullshit, but how it's like, oh,
it's not good and it's not good for you, and.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Yeah, so it's definitely not bullshit and it definitely is
good for you. Okay, But I agree with what you
said in that Obviously every patient is different. Finding the
right balance is important, and especially in perimenopause, things are
changing and things can change, and so in terms of
(16:35):
dose adjustments and things like that, Yeah, you have to
stay on top of it. And I like that she's
seeing a separate specialist for it. Whether that means yes,
doctor Mandel either didn't want to do it, or whatever.
But having it as a specific focus and that she
found somebody that's focusing on it is really important. And yeah,
(16:58):
putting the hormone game back in the and like in
the headlines in the last couple of years, I think
it's been a huge plus for social media.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
What do you think that's attributed to? Like, how did
that happen? You know, how do all of a sudden
it is in the headlines, it is on social media,
it's even in my algorithm, you know, it's like fishing
in football. And then menopause.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I'm like, yeah, well, I mean, so there was a
big New York Times article that came out in the
last couple of years by a journalist who's going through
perimenopause herself. And so I think now we're in an
era where we have the platform for women to make
(17:43):
or just anybody to make an issue sort of the
forefront of social media or their accounts and their posts,
and it really is a bigger issue than everybody was
recognizing in terms of you know, obviously at any or
at at some point, women will go through this and
one hundred percent of them. Yeah, and the symptoms last
(18:06):
a really long time and they are not fun, and
now we just have a better outlet to kind of
get that off our chests and for people to hear it.
And so but a lot of this I think was
parked by an article by a perimenopausal journalist in the last.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
It's interesting because you're not it's it's not necessarily raising
raising awareness for some sort of a disease you know
that you're going to raise funding for It's it's almost
it's interesting. It's raising awareness for something that is natural,
naturally occurring, But it's more about you know, getting it
out there so people understand what it is. And I guess,
(18:46):
as I said a few times before, can have more
compassion for it and around it. I mean, do you
think it's benefited women just as or more men? I mean,
women know that it's going to happen, right, I mean,
and then they understand these are the symptoms. They know
that they need to sort of maybe get treatment for
it or however that's going to work. It's not something
(19:08):
that is new, you know. So it's it's interesting because
there is it is in the headline, So what is
it actually doing? Who is it for? It almost is
like for the dudes who are like, yeah, shit, Okay,
I get it now.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
That's so funny that you say that, like you're just
the second dude I've spoken to today, So I.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Don't know, Like I don't at day, I.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Don't hear that perspective like ever, So I'm not sure.
But yeah, it's very interesting. It's a natural thing. There's
really nothing different necessarily about the treatments for it either.
You know, it's not like, oh wow, there's this brand
new shop product out there. No, these are things that
have been around for several decades and they work, and
we've had that knowledge for a long time. So yeah,
(19:54):
I think it's really just I feel like halle Berry,
I don't know, has a lot to do with you
have bigger name people kind of yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Did something big on it and Drew Drew had halle
on talking about it.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Truly like famous faces, like you know, wearing less makeup
and just like yeah, this is me, this is my
age and I'm owning it, like you know, people not
dyeing their hair so much. I think that that has
also helped move it forward to if like, all right,
this is just normal stuff. It's really that normal though,
to like have a hot flash every five minutes like,
does that happen to you? Maybe it's just sparked conversation
(20:27):
and created these like mini links all along the way
to have it be more popular in social media.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I think too, there's just a camaraderie in knowing that
you're not alone, even though you know you're not alone,
you know. I like having I wouldn't say suffer, but
I have suffered, you know. I'm an anxiety like I'm
on lexapro. It's been a part of my life, you know.
And of course I know that millions of people suffer
from anxiety, that it's far worse to what I go through.
(20:56):
But at the same time, just talking to someone or
you know, experiencing, you know, a conversation with someone who's
in the same boat, there's comfort in it. Strangely, Oh
you know, even though you know you're not alone, but
when it's out there like oh fuck, yeah, okay, that's me,
I get it, you know. So there's something about that
(21:16):
that club as well.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Yeah, you know, I think there are also a lot
more because one or two generations ago, there were more
just male physicians in general, and so now that's kind
of aging out where there are more just perimenopausal and
menopausal gynecologists who at least once they get to this stage,
(21:39):
they're like, wait, what, Like, I don't want to deal
with this for years. I don't have to deal with
this for years. And there was also a lot of
misinformation and misinterpretation about the safety of hormone replacement, and
so now it's just kind of the perfect storm where
I guess women just aren't standing for Okay, this is natural, Like,
(22:00):
let's not do anything about it. Wait, what, I want
to enjoy the last third of my life and not
be really bogged down by bothersome symptoms.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah, So what explain perimenopause and then moving into menopause, Like,
what is the difference?
Speaker 3 (22:17):
So the definition of menopause is no periods for one year, okay,
overage whatever. Obviously you won't know that until it has
already been a year, and so sort of the time
leading up to that, when you're getting irregular periods and
menopausal symptoms is pery menopause for some women, and that
(22:42):
amount of time can be variable for some people. That
perimenopause can last ten years of irregular periods, flashes, symptoms. Yeah,
because your hormones don't really just fall one day. They
go on a roller coaster on the way down.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
I really try to go back to normal, but they can't.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
And yeah, and that sort of hormone chaos is perimenopause.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
But do the symptoms change, you know, once you once
you have that year with no period and you are
in official menopause. Is did the symptoms go away for
some maybe?
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah, for some people, yes, for some people. Know, everybody's
experience is a little different. Some women will continue to
have symptoms, maybe not every symptom and maybe not to
the same degree, but eventually they do get better, but
not in a predictable way.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Right Oh really yeah, not for everybody. It's just different.
It can just like boom, something goes away or it's
different for everyone.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Yeah, no, crystal Ball, No ten years, Yeah, no, I
still have some time. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
I still have patients that are in their sixties late
sixties that still have hot flashes. Yeah, really manage it.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Yes, I know I call them the unlucky ducks. But
but yeah, I know you can still treat that.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yes, yeah, and does it sometimes take a while to
find the right balance. And I'm speaking for my wife.
I she's here. Yes, I would love to talk to you,
but like you know, it's just been it's like, oh god,
it's like the testosterone, the progesterone, too much estrogen, I
don't enough estrogen and then no, no, no, you know
it's like the bloating and the sensitive breasts, and it's
(24:38):
like it's almost like this fine balance at least yes, her,
it seems.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Yeah, especially in perimenopause, right, just because you're still having
so many just natural hormone fluctuations that it can be
hard to Yeah, it can be hard to catch up
with medicine with that, but yeah, stick with it.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
It's worth it.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
No, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I know, I know
she's uh, she's a trooper for sure. But I want
to get back to one thing you said earlier. Joanna
said earlier, you got into the practice because men are
horrible patients. I have to I want you to expand
(25:22):
on that a little bit because I think I agree
with you. You know, but I'm wondering where that comes from.
How are they horrible? How are they worse?
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I have a theory and sometimes and it's funny, I
talked to my patients about this. Sometimes when you're like,
oh man, my husband, like he doesn't understand any of this,
and I think it's because from a very young age,
girls start getting their period, like sometimes when they start
nine years old, So at some point, at a very
(25:53):
young age, girls are already paying attention to their bodies,
like by force, you have to pay attention, So we're
just kind of naturally doing that from a young age,
Like what you boys have to pay attention to the
like yeah, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine. I don't
need to go to the doctor. I'm fine, nothing's going on.
Yeah yeah, where they just ask another boy and they're like, yeah,
(26:15):
you're good.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Yeah, you're like what is this thing on my knee?
Like I don't know, You're fine.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Right, Yeah. I definitely noticed, like it's gonna say I
look young.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
And I definitely did, like in medical school, and I
really felt treated that way, like whenever you're walking around
with the team of doctors, you're the girl on the team,
you look the youngest, you appear maybe to me, I
don't know, like the most ignorable and like I don't know,
I could it felt like men.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Some of the men talk to me like that, like
not looking at me or like okay. There was one
time I walked into a room because they would send
the medical students to do different things and uh, the
guy in the bed.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Even like an audible.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
You're here anyway, and just you know, little things like that.
And it was very easy to notice that women didn't
do that, just straight up they didn't do that.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Or you could tell like you're trying to explain something
to them and they're like, uh huh uh huh, thank you,
you know what, you remind me of my daughter.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Oh gosh, So you could just.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Tell that it felt like they weren't taking me very seriously,
and women just by comparison, didn't do that.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Yeah. Yeah, But I wonder if there's something even overall
where men are just wimpier just generally when it comes
to medical stuff like I don't want to needle like
you know, you know, and women are just just tougher
just generally when it comes to this.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Definitely, definitely, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Well, let me let me ask a question. And actually,
because you your patients are women, but you see men
all the time because the fathers, right, So, how how
has that sort of been Do you get all kinds
of different dads in there, you know, some were really
into it, some who are just nutty. I mean, yes,
but a.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Weird common theme is a lot of them wear Star
Wars theme shirts to the deliveries.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Not kidding?
Speaker 3 (28:26):
What?
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Why?
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Why?
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Unclear? I didn't notice, just not paying attention.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
That is so funny.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Yeah, there are all kinds of dads. I would actually
say most of the dads that we've encountered have actually
been pretty good.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Yeah. Some of them have more questions, some of them
have no questions. Yeah, it's a whole range. Yeah, yeah,
but I don't know that's not them.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
I'm going to put another no in the mail column.
I don't think that that's the fairest time to assess,
because you know, they're coming in a little happier.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
I didn't they know whatever. Our patients are very nice,
but like, how am I supposed to behave in this situation?
But better be extra nice? I better be that.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
It's kind of a biased time.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Yeah, it's generally a happy, exciting time. And yeah they're anxious,
but usually happy anxious.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Yeah, yeah, until it goes wrong, Like you know, I mean,
there's all again, it's beautiful ninety percent of the time,
but you guys have to deal with a lot of
heartbreaking stuff as well, you know. I mean that's part
of the job, right.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Things can definitely, you know, change in an instant from
exciting to really really scary, and emergencies can happen.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Yeah, it's just one of those fields.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
How do you deal with that? Do you have to
sort of do you have to separate yourself a little
bit from the emotion of it?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah, I mean, certainly in the moment, we're all well
trained to handle the emergency at hand, and you're really
not thinking about the emotional part, like when you're in
the uh you know, kind of leads with things. But afterwards,
really that kind of stuff hits me when I get
home or like on the drive away from the hospital.
(30:23):
But yeah, I mean, and it is nice in those
situations to at least work with family where everybody is
immediately understanding as to what happened. I mean, even medically,
you like don't even have to go through what the
emergency was, you know, because they're all.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Totally understanding what just happened. And for the emotional support part,
or we were literally there or we were there together
a good amount of the time. So yeah, that's been helpful.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
So how does one choose one of you?
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Guys?
Speaker 1 (31:04):
It's like you're triplets. Okay, let's see, like you know,
they're all great, and they're all the they're all very similar,
you know, like you're nicer than you if beds does
anybody be like Liz, does the one of you have
better bedside manner than the other or you know what
I'm saying, like or is it just they get all
of you? If if my wife is coming in into
(31:25):
your practice, like we had all three.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Yes, so yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
We would rotate kind of you know, the first visit
and you see Joanna and then Sarah than Vicki and
we have our own individual call schedule.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
So whatever day happened to fall on delivery for the delivery,
then that's the doctor that you got.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
But we would make efforts if it wasn't in the
middle of the night to have like two of us
come show up at the delivery or in rare cases,
all three.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
If it just happened to work out that way, then yeah,
or who was it?
Speaker 3 (32:06):
There were patients that delivered the day you delivered, Yeah,
oh yeah, we were all there. Yeah, they and I
delivered babies the day that Joanna.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Had her baby, just question, you're not asked. They were
not my obi.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
That was literally going to be my next question. I've said,
you guys have kids, Yes.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Well they do. I'm pregnant now, oh look at.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
You congratulations amazing. Yeah wait, so you are not delivering
your sister's kids.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
Absolutely not. Why why we established that boundary?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
No, even before any of us got pregnant, we talked
about it and at first like, oh, that would be
so so cool, but then you know, the reality sets
in of well, if there truly was an emergency, like
God forbid you had to rush into a sea section
on your sister, and you're like, it's really scary, and
if God forbid anything were to go wrong or happened, like.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
How do you live with that guilt of like yeah,
you know.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
So it was just no, but we were present for
all of the deliveries.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
At the leg holders. Yeah. Yeah, but it was also
a really good thing.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
So Joanna, her daughter Jane, was the first baby that
was born amongst the three of us, and we were
all there and as soon as she was born, instantly
all of us were just an inconsolable.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Tears, like happy tears. Yeah, and so we.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Definitely had a moment after of like if I was
delivering your baby, like I wouldn't have been able to.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Do anything, right, Yeah, I think that's so smart though,
really you know, yeah, it worked out. I guess it
out weighs all the fun you could have like push, bitch,
like what like, what are you doing? You got nothing?
Speaker 4 (33:57):
You know? So actually that is yeah. When I when
I had my person, I was pushing.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
It took like an hour and I couldn't feel anything,
and they were both holding my legs and it's like,
am I doing okay?
Speaker 4 (34:09):
And they were like, yeah, you're doing greage?
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Yeah, yeah, same, Yeah, you can raz each other and
it's okay.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
So I have a twelve year old daughter. I have
two boys and my little girls in this. Since you've
been practicing, have you seen any shift or change in
young girls sort of getting their period? Has it? Has
it gotten earlier? Are we is it we're talking about
you know, environmental stuff, foods?
Speaker 5 (34:45):
You know?
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Have we have we seen this at all?
Speaker 3 (34:48):
So I actually maybe not like since we've been practicing,
but certainly since we were little and compared to this
day and age, the actual age of the onset of
periods has shifted towards a little bit younger, and what's
considered a normal range of first period is has shifted
to a younger age. I don't know we can account
(35:13):
for like one specific environmental thing to explain that, but
I mean it's got.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
To be something environment It's got to be something, right, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
I don't know, but I always I can't imagine getting
a period at age nine or whenever I hear patients. Yeah,
girls as young as eight and nine can get periods,
and I just always feel bad for my patients where
that was their experience, because that must have been a
very scary day.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Guy. Sure, oh yeah, oh gosh, no, I know. I
mean we're a very open family, you know.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Rio.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Sometimes Rio, she's like, I need to talk to mommy.
I'm like, what about me? She goes, I got to
talk to mom. I'm like, I'm like, did you get
your period? She's like, dad, daddy, you know. But at
the same time, like I could be with her when
that happens, you know, I mean, that's a it's a thing,
you know, is that that dads have to sort of
(36:14):
potentially deal with that first time.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Yeah, it's funny that you say that because even though
our dad was a gynecologist, any period question that I
had for myself mom, like, no, I would.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
Have asked them. I wouldn't. I want to ask my
mom either.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
I was the last to get my period, So yeah,
any period facing question them first, then maybe mom.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
And then never dead.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Amazing. That is so funny. Well, you guys, this is
We've done I don't know, hundreds of podcasts and this
has been the most interesting one. I mean, I've never
talked about periods and vaginas more in my life. But first, yeah, well,
(37:01):
you know, I think you have to be. I think
dudes have to They have to be. It's just part
of being.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Thank you, It's true. Yeah, not on really feels that way,
but yeah, I agree. It makes a difference, it does.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
It just makes life a little bit easier too, you know.
I mean if you have a knowledge, if you have
some knowledge, if you're going to understand what's going on biologically,
and then you may not take things so personally, you
know what I mean. Sure that's what happens. Yeah, but
this has been awesome. You know, where are you guys?
By the way, where do you live?
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Miami? Miami?
Speaker 1 (37:34):
You're in Miami. Okay, well cool, I appreciate you. Thank
you for taking the time.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
Well, I have one question.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
You can ask me anything.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Okay, maybe we've already crossed paths.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
So in nineteen ninety five, oh gosh, our family with
our debt, we were on vacation in Aspen.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Okay, just got back yesterday.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Yeah, we were.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
I don't remember where we were, but we were at
a hotel with our dad, and I remember our dad
coming back to the hotel room saying, guys, I just
saw Kurt Russell and Goldie Han in the hotel.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
Yeah, oh man, that would have been so cool. So
if your parents or you we're like, oh, are those
triplets over there? If they were talking about triplets at
this hotel and Aspen in nineteen ninety five, like around
New Year's if I.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Could already said that, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh my god,
we would have been like eight years old. Yeah, that
is funny. Yeah, oh gosh, what do you remember what hotel?
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Was it?
Speaker 1 (38:39):
The Jerome No Way?
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Yeah, we have to ask Phil. Yeah, that is.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Funny, amazing, amazing. Well, I will I will run it
by them. I will run by them. Triplets sometimes are
hard to forget, right, So it's like, oh, wow, right,
it's true. I'm gonna run it by because she'll remember
more than Kurt for sure, and I'll get back to you. Okay,
(39:07):
all right, guys, thank you so much. Yes, you have
the best day, you too, you too, Bye bye bye.
Well that was interesting. I don't think i'd be talking
about menopause and periods, but hey, Oliver Hudson, I guess
this guy, this guy all rudds and he does it all.
(39:32):
We can talk. Just burped into the mic. He just talked.
You know, he can talk. He can talk sports, he
can talk anxiety, he can talk feelings, and he can
talk he can talk menopause. Jack of all trades, master
of none. But that was amazing. That was fascinating, very cool.
(39:54):
Glad to have had them on. And now I'm leaving
because I have nothing more to say. All Rudson out,
ah
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