September 26, 2024 • 49 mins
Oliver talks dad stuff and so much more with ‘All American' star Taye Diggs!
Could Taye be heading down the aisle again soon? Does he have babies on the brain?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.
We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and
what it's like to be siblings.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
We are a sibling, Railvalry No, no, sibling, raval You
don't do that with your mouth, revely.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
What a day.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
That's gonna be a good one. This guest, I amn't
getting the guest yet, but it's just he's one of
my great, great, great friends. He's been on many of
my podcasts because I used to have like a thousand
of them. I've paired it down. He's been on with
his brother, he's been on with his ex girlfriend who's
no longer his girlfriend. And now this dude is going
(01:01):
to come on solo with me. And his name is
Tay Diggs. And we met doing a movie and we
went out that night and partied and had so much
fun and it was an immediate connection. And this man
has been a part of my life for over twenty
(01:22):
years and I love him a lot. We're going to
get into stuff, but before we bring him in, he's
in the waiting Room'm gonna make that motherfucker wait for
a second while I do my intro real quick, big fishermen.
I have a boat. There's a big bluefin tuna that
are off the coast of southern California, and I finally
(01:45):
got one. I hooked land at a nice, big, eighty
pound bluefin tuna that after I speak to Tay Diggs,
I'm actually going to start the filet process. I know
none of you who are listening to this give a shit,
but I don't hair because I am expressing what makes
me happy, and that is landing a bluefin tuna in
(02:06):
southern California on my boat to make Toro an incredible
bluefin sushi. I just had to share that with everyone.
Other than that, things are good. Lost six seven pounds
heavy pilates kick right now. You know, I've got a
ton of energy and I just need a job. I
(02:30):
need an acting gig or maybe I'm gonna quit. Maybe
I fucking quit acting. I'm gonna quit acting, all right,
I'm that No, Brentayan, I can't even believe this is happening.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
No, I can't because the strangest part about all of
this is that you and I are best of friends,
even though we don't talk very often. Although in the
last six or seven months we have. Yeah, lately it's
been sort of you know, it's been better. But you
would think that if you were coming on my podcast,
(03:04):
we would have had some sort of a conversation about
you actually coming on. When it's literally just gone through
the producers. It's like, oh, Tay Diggs wants to come on.
I'm like, all right, cool, and then that's it. Now
you're just here.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah, it's the business, la and we're we're at that level.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Bit, it's the business. By the way, how are you
are you good?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I'm good, man, Yeah, I'm very excited. Walker's fifteen and
he's going through changes and hoop and hoops and yeah,
it's a good time.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
No, I know, isn't it? It is crazy? Man. As
your kids get older, you kind of have to transition
with your children. You start parenting them a different way.
I remember there was a moment with Wilder, you know,
who's my oldest, where I was like, oh shit, wait
a minute. I have to take a moment and switch
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it up a little bit. He's no longer a kid,
you know what I mean, He's turning into a young
man and I need to, you know, sort of alter
the way that I talk to him, that I deal
with him right. And it's all brand new territory for
us too, you know what I mean, we don't know
what the hell we're doing.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I don't know if I've told you this before, but
I still majorly trip out at the fact that you
have a family. You always say that I have told
you before, Because you have, you haven't like, you haven't
changed who you are. If you know the people they're
one way and they have kids and then they act
(04:34):
completely different, you are the same person and I can't
imagine what that person is like as a father. Like
h I think your kids are really lucky, and I'm
really proud of you. Man. I love you.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Thank you. No, I mean I get you know. My
sister does it differently. She always looks at me like
I'm crazy. The proof is always in the pudding. If
my kids were disasters that I take the blame for,
you know what I mean. I just have always done
it a little bit differently. I've never changed who I
was to become a parent quote unquote. For my kids,
(05:10):
I'm gonna be me and I'm going to be a
great parent. But I'll drink in front of them. I
used to smoke cigarette, smoke cigarettes in front of them,
I curse. I'm gonna do who I am and I'm
not going to hide anything from you. I think that's bad.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yeah, And I also think it's cool because if if
your daughter, if she is a slipper, you're good. If
your fine with it. She has up on the pool.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Mmm mm hmmm mmmmmmmmmmmm don't know. Sorry, No, I mean
as long as Walker's throwing ones, I think will be okay.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
No, I think your way is the best way because
you're being hate when people talk like this, But when
you're being authentic to you, I think only good things
can happen kids when you're being fake and phony.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
And yes, yeah, but you operate seemingly the same way
when I talk to you and in your kids, your
kids in the car, even with his friends, you're singing,
You're doing weird shit. You and I are not this
similar in are insanity.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I'm realizing my older years, I have major anxiety, like
and I'm able to put a name to it. And
it's like I'm amazed that I'm functioning. Like when I said,
think of all the things that my behavior and my
feelings all throughout the day. Yeah, it's like a litany.
(06:34):
It's like it's yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Crazy, and I'm well, give me an example, because you
you know, like again you know me. We've talked about
this forever. I mean in my twenties actually, speaking of
strip clubs, you know, I was literally going into Crazy
Girls when I had my first panic attack. I mean,
I'm not sure there's a correlation there. I think there
(06:59):
probably is, but I was my friend John was walking
ahead of me, and I was like, it was almost
like I had a heart attack, and I went down
to a knee. I was like, ah, I thought I
was going to die in front of Crazy Girls, and
and the bouncer was like like yo, bro, like you okay,
And I'm like, I don't know, I can't breathe. And
(07:21):
I sort of got my ship together, went in and
I was like John, dude, I don't know, homer like
a mini heart attack, and I was like, I need
a vodka. And I had a remember I had a
vodka tonic. I remember, and sitting at the stage where
these girls are dancing, I'm just wondering if I'm gonna
make it or not.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
And then at Boom that started off my ship. I've
been on the draw. I'm Alexipro and you know, just
trying to get through my anxiety.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah, that ship club experience I had the exact opposite
effect for me. I went in, I was like, oh,
this is home.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Right, Like I don't need Lexapro, I just need LEXI
Yeah anyway, but for real though, like, how does your
anxiety manifest itself and is it stronger in certain situations?
Speaker 1 (08:29):
It's uh, yes, it's stronger in certain situations. But if
I'm not on the stuff that I'm on, Like right now,
I am microdose mushrooms and that does a lot. That
does a lot. When I'm not on that, everything is
a little bit worse. But just even when I am
on it, there's just a constant stream of like shit
(08:54):
going through my head.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
What what give me?
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Give me?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Like what does that river look like?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Like?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Am I am my good dad? Am I gonna work
ever again? You know?
Speaker 1 (09:08):
No, it's little little things. It's any things like if
I as I'm doing the dish, it you know I'll
be getting okay. Okay, So in the mornings, I'll wake
up and immediately I'm prepared because Walker has to wake up.
I need to let the two dogs out. I just
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started making my bed because all these Instagram posts say
if you make your bed and your life is going
to be better. Got to make Walker extra eggs because
he's trying to gain weight. All of these things. It's
like there are a hundred things that hit my head
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before I do them, and they are regarding those things.
So as I'm making the bed, I can see the
corners that are afraid. You know, the sheet is coming
up off the mattress. I hate the pillows that I
have and I have like major emotional reactions to you
(10:12):
know what I mean making the bed. Yeah, what's going
on with my life? Fuck? I need you know what
I mean before you ah, I would you know what
I'm saying. And that then as walk into the kitchen,
you know, I'll walk by there. It's it's it's fucking tiring.
I'm high. I'm high functioning. I try not to use
(10:36):
it as a cretch, but mm hmmm. I give myself.
I give myself credit, you know what I mean. Talking
to somebody, I'm taking in every facial movement they smell
like you know, like right now you're I see the
pink on your hat. Mm hmm, like a walkie talkie
(10:59):
mm hmm. And the way that you're saying mm hmm.
I know you, but I'm wondering if you're just literally
if you're just saying mm hmmm because you think you're
supposed to say, or if you're really listening you know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Mm hmm. No, no, no, no, By the way, Hey,
this is this is who. This is who I've known
for twenty years. You've always been like this, this is
your nature right right.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
But I didn't know it was a thing. I thought that.
I thought like everybody was like that.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I'm not dissimilar to that. I just don't It doesn't
move into a negative space. I just an observant person.
I think that's why you and I connected so well,
is we both are observant. We look at the sort
of minute, the specifics and try to sort of break
it down. You know, we're just curious. We're curiosity. But
(11:49):
I don't let it hurt me or affect me, you know.
I feel like that the bad thing sounds like a
little like ocd isshu.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
But there's that I was leaving the leaving the apartment. No,
it was like forty five minutes before she left the
apartment and I was singing something that happened, like getting
some peanut butter entirely. Forty five minutes later, she left
the building, was waiting for the elevator. Elevator. She could
still hear me singing, you know, making Peter. She was like,
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what's going on? Sah? And I didn't know there was
you know, she was kind of you know, frustrated, and
you know, I blamed it on her then, but now
I realized it's it's I got I got something. I
got something.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
How do you quiet that or do you need to
quiet that? Or is it just an acceptance of who
you are? Maybe you're over self analyzing or it's like,
oh I was cool being who I was fifteen years ago.
Now all of a sudden, maybe I'm in my fifties
and now I'm like, am I still this person? Is
there's something wrong with me? When in reality it's just
your nature?
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah, yeah, it's not. Now everything has a name, and
now I'm all excited. But yeah, for for for all
my life, I just thought that was just how everybody,
how everybody was, you know, just like I remember putting
the child with the child that the kids seat in
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the car.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, the car seat.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
I would get hot and sweaty hot every time I
had to put Walker in that fucking car seat. And
it wasn't until I got on that whatever drug that was,
and I put put in the car seat and I
sat down to drive, and I was like, oh, wait,
I didn't feel I didn't feel all that that anxiety.
(13:37):
And I was like, oh, this ship works. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Talking about the microdoc in for a second because it's
something I've wanted to experiment with, and uh, you know,
is it in capsule form? Do you take it in
the morning? Do you just take one? And what's the feeling?
Obviously you're not tripping, you're not in any sort of
visual state.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Okay, So I'm awful with them, Like I don't take
everything every day, Like I'm awful with just schedules and shit.
So when I do take it, I've taken it in
different forms. Right, So just most recently, I've had this
really great tea and I fill up a thermos and
(14:33):
I sip it all throughout the day and then eat
joined with my pre workout, Like I am just feeling amazing, amazing,
nothing can be down. So that's that. Then there are capsules,
and the capsules level me out. They give me so
(15:01):
if I have my if I have a bit of anxiety,
I can logically get through it, whereas if I didn't,
I could spin out and if somebody uh uh cut
me off. Instead of you know, going crazy an awful example,
but instead of going crazy and be you know, do
(15:22):
what everybody else does, I can I can see the
logic of the other person, you know what I mean, Well,
maybe you know what I'm saying. It's really crazy, because
it was. It really helped when I was in a
relationship because when I was uh taking the capsules, I
could see the other the other person's side so clearly,
(15:42):
and it really helped inform, you know, my behavior. It's
it's something's going on with the they're they're they're they're
like magical, you know what I mean. Really hard to explain,
but it's like they they can find out what your
issues are and they they just massaged them. You know.
So I'm I'm I'm on board.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
And does your anxiety manifest into physical or is it
just your brain starts to swirl or do you get
short of breath, do you feel like you gotta throw
up or anything?
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Like that it's all mental. But sometimes it'll be so
in my head that I can feel the pressure and
it can be on me reacting to something as simple
as having to meet a bunch of parents at when
a Walker's basketball games. And the thing that scares me
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not scares me. The thing that I feel, I feel
isn't fair is logically, I know, I can tell myself,
you know, I'm Ante Diggs or you know, none of
these people are judging me. There's no reason I need
to be nervous, like, I can tell myself all that,
but it doesn't it doesn't help the feeling. I still
have the feeling on a on a really bad day.
(17:04):
You know, I'm an actor, so I can pretend like
it's not happening, but my head will the pressure in
my head will be so intense, I know, and that
you know that's not cool.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
What about when you're working, When.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I'm working, not so not so much. I think I
think there's something. I think it has something to do
with me with that being my passion and loving it
there and being comfortable. Mm hmm, yeah, I'm comfortable there.
That's that's I'm the man at worked. Yeah. Yeah, But
the times where it has happened at work, It's like, uh,
(17:42):
I'll make a joke and then somebody won't laugh the
way I expected, And then in my head I'll be like,
oh my god, did I offend them that? And then
for the whole day I'd be like, should I go
back and apologize? Now? Should I write me email? Should
I text him? And then a lot of times I'll
go and say, listen, uh, this is weird. I said
(18:02):
this thing, and I don't know if it offended you,
but I just wanted to apologize. They didn't even you
know what I mean? Yeah, notice it. And for the
whole day I was obsessing over it. Yeah, eat myself up.
Oh oh okay. So Walker has a h I'm very
chatty right now.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I'm on a little bit of mushrooms right now, just
so you know.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Perfect.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
So Walker has an amazing basketball coach and a strength trainer. Right.
So the other day I just wanted to text them
and thank you, like because they're they're just they have
this back, James James and RJ. So I sent them
a text, Yo, fellas, I'm really I'm really grateful for
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you know, the time and effort that you put into Walker.
He's turning into a great young man. And then I
made some joke that you know and you too are
Dina his mother? Right? But then I was like, but
Dean is a little bit different because she's not getting paid.
Is not getting paid ha ha Right, and a Diena,
(19:10):
that's to the text so many ways you can in
awful awful. So A Diena replied thanks taate. James didn't reply,
Ur didn't reply, And in my head I was like,
oh man, they are chipping out because I said, you
(19:32):
know they're acting that way because we pay them, and
I know for a fact that you know they really
love Walker. Oh how am I gonna? Okay? Should I
just let it? And then then then it goes to
the next level you know what I mean? It doesn't
I don't talk myself out of the original.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
It's tuck yourself deeper.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah, Like, okay, Well, how am I going to resolve this?
Do I? Oh? Ship, next time I see James, I'm
just gonna act like happened? Do I walk right up
and be like, hey man, I'm sorry. Cinema text. So
I took two days, you know, stood over that, and
then I texted a Dina, do you think the guys are? Like,
I don't know what you're talking about, but I think
(20:12):
they're fine. So then I just texted them listen, Uh.
I hope you guys didn't get offended when I said that,
you know, adena's not getting paid. I love you guys,
da da And they said I didn't even notice. I
didn't even know now, But then I was like, maybe
are they lying and you're.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Dying damn dude. Yeah, that's it's a it's a difficult
head to live in. I mean, it's just constant analysis.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yes, it's that, and it's and it's tiring sometime. Well,
I think I'm more aware of it now in my
older age, and I think I was. I was as
aware when I was younger.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Let me ask you a question, though, Where is that
space in your life where that goes away? Is it
at the gym? Is it? Where is it?
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Like? For me?
Speaker 2 (21:00):
All my boat and I fish and it's just me
and the ocean. Whoever I'm with, I don't think about anything.
I'm just present.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Well for me, it's uh, when I'm on one of
my five private jets or.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Oh yeah, yeah, I forgot about those A fucking boat
a boat can mean many things. It can have oars,
it can have engines, you know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
No, but I'm gonna get one because there's something very
spiritual and soothing the water. I realize that I'm I'm
one of those people. I get that work. Yeah, you
like work. When I'm When I'm working and I'm kind
of distracted, you know, when i'm or you know what
I mean, I have to keep my mind active. But
(21:47):
if i'm you know, sitting in the car or yeah,
whenever I'm I'm kind of idle. I really have to
force myself to just push through. And I've given myself
little you know, tricks, little distractions, meditations and whatnot, and
it's been helping.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
There's a vulnerability. Vulnerability is a kind of hot right now,
you know what I mean. I think you know.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
You must love me.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Then well, typically, well I'm saying typically, you know, men
and vulnerability, those two words sort of equaled weakness, and
now I think it's the opposite. I think there's a
strength in sort of being vulnerable. Not only that, but
when there's people in your position who have a reach
or even in mind. When you talk about candidly how
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you're feeling what you're going through and your anxiety and
what's going on in your brain. It can sort of
make a lot of people not feel alone, even.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Though I'm very aware of you know, the amount of
anxiety I have and whatnot. On the flip side, I
love being older because I don't care about a lot.
So you know, when I was younger, I was very
very consumed with you know, how black people saw me
(23:08):
because I was without you know, I had a white wife,
and you know, the way I spoke and when I dressed.
I just wanted people to know that I was not
a sellout. So much time hoping that these people knew
who I really was. But it's such a relief to
(23:29):
not care, and it's it's freeing and that and that
that took up a lot of space in my life.
And when it comes to you know, you know, speaking
about mental health and stuff, you know, there's not even
a second of pause, which is which is great. I mean,
(23:51):
the mushrooms are helping a bit because I came in
real really hot, but those are like after this, I
will look back on this interview and uh and be
proud of myself because there was a day when when
everything would be planned mm hmm. And I'd make you know,
split second decisions on what about what to stay, but
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there'd be some time. Okay, how do I say this?
What is he going to think? You know what I'm saying?
And that a lot. And it feels so good to
just be able to say what I feel and not care.
That's one of the great things about getting older.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah, no, I know, and and and you know, your
Instagram shows that you don't care because although although like
a couple of weeks ago, you hit me up and
you're like, is this funny? Like I like, is this funny?
(24:49):
Because you were a little insecure about it?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yeah. Yeah, because uh, you know, I like to stay
away from I like to be around things that make
me feel good, you know, I'm that means politics. There's
a whole bunch of stuff that I kind of removed
myself from. Yeah, because I end up carrying it with
me for the entire day. So I don't know what's
you know, what's taboo and what isn't and you know
(25:15):
him heard there's whatever. Yeah, And I you know, sometimes
I can have a really dark and interesting sense of humor.
I think I'm funny, So every once in a while,
I need to check in and be like, is this
is this cool? No?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I know you don't want to You don't want to
put you don't want to put something out there that
you are even even a scoche concern whether it's funny
or not. Like, I'll never post anything that I don't
believe is really funny. If even if there's a moment
where I'm like, wait a minute, I won't do it.
I won't even think twice, I'm like it's gone.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
The weird thing about that is because I've done that,
but it was contingent upon my mood at the time.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Mm hm.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
That I hate because once that mood passes, they like,
oh that's really not as funny as I thought. Yeah,
But when I did it, I thought it was hilarious.
That's part of it.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
How is it raising a dude as a single parent,
as a single dad?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
You know?
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I mean, do you know no different?
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Right?
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Because this is just what you've been doing. But are
there pros to it? And are there cons to it?
Are there things that you you know, wish you had
for him that you couldn't give him.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
I'll be honest, I feel like I'm getting away with
so much I feel like I feel like I'm not
doing it the way it's supposed to be done. I
feel like I'm cheating. I got lucky, like Walker's mother
is amazing, So I'm not raised. I don't. I don't
(27:07):
consider myself like a dad. It's cool to say, and
I get the credit, but she is right there. She
does everything, got it everything, and I can't think about
it for too long or else I such to feel guilty.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
But you know, it worked, like all the all the
administrative bullshit, that right, Yeah, and then.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
The stuff that I need he'll send me, you know
what I mean. Yeah, that's the that's the major part
of it. That's he's really.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
You just play and have a good time and be
like the best dad ever. Like dad is cool.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Walker's awesome, you know what I mean. He's cool. We
have the same sense of humor. He plays sports. We
watch the movie. It's It's a It's a cakewalk. There
have been times, you know, when it's been difficult, but
I'm easy on myself. I try to be as honest
as I can and I try to listen, you know
(28:11):
what I mean, And that seems to be working. He
he He's so easy. Yeah, So easy. So I really
feel like God or the universe somebody knew me and
was like, Okay, well, we need to give this guy
a break because he the way he is, he could
not he's he did not cut out to be a parent.
(28:36):
But my childhood had a stepfather that like beat us
and I don't know, I don't know how I'm doing it.
So I feel like someone is guid is guiding me
and just you know, really helped me out.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, you need to repeat those patterns, which my dad
did because his dad bailed on him, and my dad
sort of didn't have much of a choice. He didn't
have therapy, he was the fifties, He didn't have any
sort of self awareness or was given any sort of
guidance as to how to be a dad. It can
only sort of not be by example or lack of example,
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and that's what happened with him and us. Or you
can analyze your situation and never want to be that
person and rail against it, you know, And so that's
what I did, So you know, I would. You can
give credit to the universe or God or whatever the
hell you believe in, but you also have to give
credit to yourself. You know what I'm saying, like, you're
the one who made the choice. You have free will,
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even if it's unconscious, you know, even if it's just
something that's a part of you thinking, I'm not this
is not the kind of fucking dad that I want
to be to my son.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yeah, okay, I just like for me, it's yes, I
hear you. Where I do make the choices are when
I want to lecture him or you know, just we
like to talk, you know what I mean to hear
myself talk. I think a lot of what I say
is is right. And but with Walker, I'm constantly monitoring,
(30:07):
monitoring myself and forcing myself to just listen and not
make it about me and I and I give myself
credit for that because it's it's hard mm hmmm, because
I've I've been there, I've done that, and I know,
but his experience is completely different, and I want him
to to experience that, you know, without being affected by
(30:32):
my past and my history. You know what I'm saying.
I think really important for kids to go through these
experiences themselves and and figure figure shit out. And that
is not me. I'm like, I have all the answers,
you know, and and I do with other people still,
but with Walker, you know, as you said, it's a
(30:53):
it's a choice.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yeah, we think we have all the answers. My thing
is with Wilder kids, it's like, I was like, do
you guys, do you guys fucking get how cool I was?
I mean, do you not understand that? Like you're looking
at me like I'm an old man, and yeah I'm
forty eight, I'm looking older. Okay, but I was the
(31:16):
ship I was. I was way cooler than you guys
who were And they're like, Dad, You're not cool. You
were not cool. You don't get it. I'm like, I
get it.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
I want to tell them that because.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Myself, Yeah, I'm like I know what the fuck I'm
talking about. And they're like, you don't get it. I'm like, well,
you've you've got to listen to me. You've got to
listen to me. You need to trust me. And they're like, whatever, Dad,
you're stupid.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Yeah, it's humbling. Yeah. Walker teaches me every single.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Day, does he?
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yes, Oh yes, that's great.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Yeah you know, I mean, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Somebody's looking down on me and just hooking me up
because I got a bunch of freebies and and I'm
very aware of it. And you know, you could easily
go down a road of like, you know, guilt and
shame and I should be doing more. And you know,
(32:18):
compare comparing yourself to other parents.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
That that that's the worst thing.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yeah, I just it's much easier to not you know
what I mean, like going the opposite direction, and.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Well that that's that's how I am not as a parent.
Like honestly, as a parent, I like the way that
I do it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
But but the right way, you know what I mean? Yeah,
feels good to me.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
It feels good to me, and I don't care if
it's the right way or I don't think. I don't
believe there is a right way in a wrong way
that I don't think that there is. I mean, I
think there's wrong ways. Because when you're fucking up your children. Yes,
by the way, I've said this a million times, it's
not about if you fuck up your children, it's about
to what degree it's going to happen. You're fucking them
(33:07):
up one way or another, you know what I mean?
Little things. Yeah, I think it's supposed to happen. I
really believe it. Yeah, that builds resilience, it builds character.
You know, it's them individuating, saying, oh, dad's telling me this,
but he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.
And then they either succeed or fail and say Dad
was right or Dad was wrong, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Like yep.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
And it's about giving them that freedom too. The other
thing is we are just living in this time where
we are coddling the shit out of our kids, not
letting him do things, not letting him individuate and get
into trouble or get into a bad situation where they
got to get themselves out of because we're so fear
based given technology and Instagram and TikTok in the news,
(33:52):
everything everything we click on is fear based or sex based,
and so now there's these it's just instilled some much
fear where it's like, no, let them fucking go. Let
them walk around and walk into Westwood and walk over here,
and you know, go because they need it.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
And it's yeah, they walker didn't know how to I
want to say microwave, but it was even it was
even more simple than that. A comb. He didn't know
there was a small comb, uh, really thin too.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh what it was? No, dude,
I just saw this, this clip of this younger generation
being shown a VHS tape and they're like what is
this and they're like, ah, I don't know, literally, I
didn't know what the fuck it was was. We're getting
(35:01):
into that time now where it's great.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Walker loves to hear the stories of of of your isn't.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
This Yeah, yeah, like Yester your.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Some of the time that you rode your sledge down
and the corner store and got them for five cents.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Dad, like put a pipe in. You're like, sit down, Sun. Well,
the year was nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
We went through a stage where he was like, Dad,
out of nowhere. It is when he was like eight
or nine, out of nowhere. We'd been science silence and
it sing Dad, did you stop? Did you? Step father
really hit you? And I'd be like, yeah, he took
this belt and he can't fathom that. Yeah, Like he
(35:55):
comes from a world where you know, he's in a
world where it and I love that, love that because
in my world, if you didn't get spanked then but
then we made fun of you and beat we got beats,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah, oh my god, My mine's the opposite. My kids
are like, Dad, tell me about that story. You're on
that three hundred foot yacht in Majorca with Ron Meyer
and Michael Ovitz.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Well, you know, you know, take them on all that stuff.
And he's so over it, except it was this one.
There was one time when he was younger, we were
We're in first class and he's sitting on the on
the seat watching all the people go by, and he goes, Dad,
where are they going second class?
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Oh boy, oh my god, second class?
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Let me let me ask you this. So some people
would say, sometimes I wonder if Walker is is too
too soft. You know, he's a basketball player, and you know,
really little things can kind of unnerve him. And there
are times when I want to say, you're gonna have
to toughen up. Is the world out there is is tough.
(37:13):
But then there's another side of me, like spoiling. Like
he's very aware he doesn't want to be spoiled. I
like to spoil. I like to buy himself.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Yeah I get that.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Yeah me too. I mean and for me, I'm at
a point in my career where I can go somewhere
not look at the price and get it, and then
that subfishally that still makes me feel good. So I
extend that to Walker. And you know, sometimes people will
make fun of me and say, you know, you better
watch yourself, but I want to know your thoughts. I
(37:47):
believe that if it's coming from a good place and
you're teaching your child, you know how to be a
responsible human being in like through example, I don't have
to worry about spoiling him like he so far, he
(38:07):
he has nice things, but he gets that not everybody
has them. Yeah, and it doesn't affect his behavior.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Then he's not spoiled. It's funny you even asked me
this question because I've talked about this before, not not
on the podcast, but just in general. I don't believe
the definition of spoiled is is getting is getting a
lot of things. It's about the context understanding. Like you
were saying, like like, I'm gonna buy you cool shit
because I fucking love you. And as long as you
(38:37):
don't expect that, as long as this isn't sort of
something that you think is the norm, and I'm always
going to do this, and when you don't get it,
you're gonna throw some sort of a bullshit fit right,
you know, I mean right then you're not spoiling your kids.
You are giving You're giving them stuff, gifts that you
want to give them, and they understand not to take
(38:59):
it for granted. And this isn't necessarily the real world,
you know. But I love you and you know, and
we're fortunate, you know, we're fortunate, and this is this
is that you know for sure. But at the same time,
now that my kids are getting older, you know, they
have to work for their stuff.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
You know.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Wilder had a job, you know, last year, he was
working in retail. And I got them older, I got
them My boys are own credit cards to build credit
at a young age, you know what I mean. So
they both they both have their credit cards and they
have a limit and it's not a it's not a
high limit at all per month, and that is their card.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Huh. Good for you.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Yeah, So that is their card to buy the things
that they want to buy. The minute that it they
get through that and there's no longer any money in it,
you're dead. Don't come ask me for fucking money. Learn
to budget.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
You know.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
They have their apps. They know how to look at
the apps and see what they're spending obviously, like school lunches,
I'll pay for or and you know, stuff like that.
But my kids love to order fucking Postmates. Where I'm cooking,
I've got I've got food in the fridge. I'm like,
that's on your thing. You can order Postmates, but that's
goes to your budget. I'm not paying for that shit.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
You know. Let me ask you this, whose idea was
that with the critic A mine? You know, mine?
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Because I like that.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
That would not have like, that's a little bit off,
Like I would not have thought of that. I need
someone else to tell me things like that, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Yeah, yeah, I mean for me, it was just about responsibility.
I'm tired of spending money on all of your bullshit.
So here you go. You're going to have a budget
and that's it. And again you can start building their
credit at the age of fucking thirteen, which is good,
Which is good, you know.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Yeah, and Adina did it with Walker. You know, you'll
come in the house with this this new stuff and
new ideas or new ways of doing things, and oh
should I have thought of that? Well, Venus got it, so.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Yes, yeah, but but how much I mean you give
him everything, dude, you know what I mean. You are
his male figure in his life. Holy shit, give him
lots of Jordan's sneakers. Yeah, no, yeah, we have, we have.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
We have really great talks. We have really great talks,
and he's very insightful and and uh and that that
part is fun, Yeah, really really great discussions.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Do you think you'll ever get married again? Uh?
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Someone? Maybe? Maybe?
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Is that something you're open to?
Speaker 1 (41:41):
And I'm also open to having another child.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
I think with the right person, that could be really fun.
But it also feels really great to not. I don't
maybe not, and I'm cool with yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
But you're single right now, right.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
I'm very very single, and I go through stages where
all of a sudden, you know, I feel like I
need to have a girlfriend, I should have a girlfriend,
And then I'll go through a point in time where
I'm like, this is awesome. I don't I don't have
any I don't have anybody to answer to arguments, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
The closest, Yeah, fifteen dating, finding love. There's a lot
of baggage, accepting kids, accepting the situation that she might
be in that you're in. You know, it's a strange
game at your age, you know what I mean, especially
because I know you're you have so much love and
you're a lover. You don't want to fucking die alone.
(42:45):
You know, you want to grow old with someone. You
want to have that companionship. I don't know. Maybe I'm
trying to you're going to die alone.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Well, man, I won't die aloge. I'm trying to by
somebody else, strip or somebody. I'll have somebody for me,
you know what I mean. It might be a great friend.
You know what I mean, right, You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
They like your hospice is at Crazy Girls, I'll just
want you in there.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Yeah, yeah, And I'll be okay with that.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
By the way, I might put that into a show
or some show I'm doing, or a guy does hospice
at a strip club.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Like the other day, Like I'll go through stages where like, Oh,
I did this movie called Forever, where you know, I
played a member of a couple very healthy relationships. And
as I was.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Playing what's this what movie?
Speaker 1 (43:39):
This movie called Forever was on Lifetime with Megan Good?
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Oh, this is what you just did? You produced it too,
very proud of it. Good for you. Dude, how was that?
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Very proud of it. She's really great. But while I
was playing this character, it made me realize, it made
me remember the good parts of being in a relationship
mm hmm, acting and she's wonderful. So I went through
a stage where I was like, oh, I miss that,
I missed going grocery shoping, going to the movies and
walking to and then actually, if I'm being honest, like
(44:13):
I was trying to pursuing this girl, she ghosted me
on texts, and then I got really negative. And then
all of a sudden, I was like, oh, how great
would it be to go on a trip and invite
(44:33):
seven beautiful women with you know, two of them? And
I was like, that's that's not that's cool. There's there's
that society as well. Yeah, of course, or just uh,
you know, driving with Walker and just just us.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
So I go through different different stages and I'm just
trying to be easy on myself exactly, you know what
I mean, because I grew up the opposite. I grew
up everything is supposed to be a specific way, and
I tried that and it didn't work out.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
What I've always loved about you too is admittedly by
the way. You know, we've told the story before, but
we met on a movie a million years ago, my
new best friend you know where you know, you wasn't Darren.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
You weren't gay, but by what would you call yourself? Oh?
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Eric Cole?
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yeah, like you were that dude?
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. In the Eric Cole was
Oh god, what a movie? What a movie?
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Was?
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Want to tays better performances where he really did some
experimental ship, which we've laughed about forever and ever. Yeah,
you guys, go do yourself a favor and go watch
my new best friend rent it watchdays performance he does.
He's like a crossing one eye with a pigeon towed sheriff.
(45:50):
It was very bold, bold choices, other accent. He did
a white man call southern accent.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
I thought I was too, I was so, but.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
It was it was it was love. It it was
love at first sight. It's fucking funny. I were running
out of time, dude. But I do want to get
your thoughts on this whole fucking p Diddy situation. Not
that there's thoughts. I mean, it's just no, there there are,
there are, It's just it's so wild. It's just so
(46:29):
off putting.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
I felt so naive when I heard all that stuff
because I was I don't know where I was, but
all of it blindsided me everything, you know what I mean.
So it's kind of the double edge for me. So
on one side, I'm like, well, this is great for people
(46:52):
to know that this happens. We can think that life
is to be lived a certain way. We can think
of person is a way and they can be the
exact opposite and get used to that. You know. I
really he was a hero to me. I loved how
he you know, he didn't come from much, and he
(47:13):
started out as a dancer and you know, all the
things that I wasn't growing up. He was so much
confidence and then it you know, at a certain arrogance
that I loved. And then he made you know, black
being black cool. I mean, I came from a place
where you know, we had to ask everything, and you know, well,
I'm black, so of course I'm going to be treated
(47:37):
like this. And I looked at him and he worked
like as a bat, you know what I'm saying. So
I really put him on a pedestal. And it was
disappointing to UH to see some of of what happened.
I couldn't believe it, and I didn't like I didn't
(47:58):
like that feeling.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
M hm, you know if these allegations and the things
that they're saying are true. And dude, it's just people
are sick. I mean, there's just it's yeah, they're sick.
All right, baby, I love you. This was so much
fun and uh, maybe we should do a daytime talk
show together.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
What do you think? Oh? I love that idea, you
and me?
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Yeah, daytime show.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
All right, let's do it, all right, buddy, I'll bet
to the family. Yeah you too, brother, Let's hang out soon. No,
bye bye, all right bye?
Speaker 1 (48:29):
I hate you.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
Ah my man, man take fuck. I love that guy.
We we uh, we got into a lot of stuff together.
We had a lot, a lot of fun and he's
just a deep person. He's curious always, like not just
in this interview, which is so interesting, interviewing your friends,
(48:59):
like you're really good friends. It was natural and it
worked out well, But you know, what are you going
to talk about? We just got into philosophies. I feel
like he wanted to. I feel like he wanted to,
you know, get into the deeper part of things, which
is totally who he is and I love him for it.
I love that dude's vulnerability. I love his curiosity. I
(49:23):
love his not trying to be too cool. He's just
dope anyway. I love everyone, Love you guys. Thanks Piece,
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.
We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and
what it's like to be siblings.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
We are a sibling, Railvalry No, no, sibling, raval You
don't do that with your mouth, revely.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
What a day.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
That's gonna be a good one. This guest, I amn't
getting the guest yet, but it's just he's one of
my great, great, great friends. He's been on many of
my podcasts because I used to have like a thousand
of them. I've paired it down. He's been on with
his brother, he's been on with his ex girlfriend who's
no longer his girlfriend. And now this dude is going
(01:01):
to come on solo with me. And his name is
Tay Diggs. And we met doing a movie and we
went out that night and partied and had so much
fun and it was an immediate connection. And this man
has been a part of my life for over twenty
(01:22):
years and I love him a lot. We're going to
get into stuff, but before we bring him in, he's
in the waiting Room'm gonna make that motherfucker wait for
a second while I do my intro real quick, big fishermen.
I have a boat. There's a big bluefin tuna that
are off the coast of southern California, and I finally
(01:45):
got one. I hooked land at a nice, big, eighty
pound bluefin tuna that after I speak to Tay Diggs,
I'm actually going to start the filet process. I know
none of you who are listening to this give a shit,
but I don't hair because I am expressing what makes
me happy, and that is landing a bluefin tuna in
(02:06):
southern California on my boat to make Toro an incredible
bluefin sushi. I just had to share that with everyone.
Other than that, things are good. Lost six seven pounds
heavy pilates kick right now. You know, I've got a
ton of energy and I just need a job. I
(02:30):
need an acting gig or maybe I'm gonna quit. Maybe
I fucking quit acting. I'm gonna quit acting, all right,
I'm that No, Brentayan, I can't even believe this is happening.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
No, I can't because the strangest part about all of
this is that you and I are best of friends,
even though we don't talk very often. Although in the
last six or seven months we have. Yeah, lately it's
been sort of you know, it's been better. But you
would think that if you were coming on my podcast,
(03:04):
we would have had some sort of a conversation about
you actually coming on. When it's literally just gone through
the producers. It's like, oh, Tay Diggs wants to come on.
I'm like, all right, cool, and then that's it. Now
you're just here.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah, it's the business, la and we're we're at that level.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Bit, it's the business. By the way, how are you
are you good?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I'm good, man, Yeah, I'm very excited. Walker's fifteen and
he's going through changes and hoop and hoops and yeah,
it's a good time.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
No, I know, isn't it? It is crazy? Man. As
your kids get older, you kind of have to transition
with your children. You start parenting them a different way.
I remember there was a moment with Wilder, you know,
who's my oldest, where I was like, oh shit, wait
a minute. I have to take a moment and switch
(03:52):
it up a little bit. He's no longer a kid,
you know what I mean, He's turning into a young
man and I need to, you know, sort of alter
the way that I talk to him, that I deal
with him right. And it's all brand new territory for
us too, you know what I mean, we don't know
what the hell we're doing.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I don't know if I've told you this before, but
I still majorly trip out at the fact that you
have a family. You always say that I have told
you before, Because you have, you haven't like, you haven't
changed who you are. If you know the people they're
one way and they have kids and then they act
(04:34):
completely different, you are the same person and I can't
imagine what that person is like as a father. Like
h I think your kids are really lucky, and I'm
really proud of you. Man. I love you.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Thank you. No, I mean I get you know. My
sister does it differently. She always looks at me like
I'm crazy. The proof is always in the pudding. If
my kids were disasters that I take the blame for,
you know what I mean. I just have always done
it a little bit differently. I've never changed who I
was to become a parent quote unquote. For my kids,
(05:10):
I'm gonna be me and I'm going to be a
great parent. But I'll drink in front of them. I
used to smoke cigarette, smoke cigarettes in front of them,
I curse. I'm gonna do who I am and I'm
not going to hide anything from you. I think that's bad.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yeah, And I also think it's cool because if if
your daughter, if she is a slipper, you're good. If
your fine with it. She has up on the pool.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Mmm mm hmmm mmmmmmmmmmmm don't know. Sorry, No, I mean
as long as Walker's throwing ones, I think will be okay.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
No, I think your way is the best way because
you're being hate when people talk like this, But when
you're being authentic to you, I think only good things
can happen kids when you're being fake and phony.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
And yes, yeah, but you operate seemingly the same way
when I talk to you and in your kids, your
kids in the car, even with his friends, you're singing,
You're doing weird shit. You and I are not this
similar in are insanity.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I'm realizing my older years, I have major anxiety, like
and I'm able to put a name to it. And
it's like I'm amazed that I'm functioning. Like when I said,
think of all the things that my behavior and my
feelings all throughout the day. Yeah, it's like a litany.
(06:34):
It's like it's yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Crazy, and I'm well, give me an example, because you
you know, like again you know me. We've talked about
this forever. I mean in my twenties actually, speaking of
strip clubs, you know, I was literally going into Crazy
Girls when I had my first panic attack. I mean,
I'm not sure there's a correlation there. I think there
(06:59):
probably is, but I was my friend John was walking
ahead of me, and I was like, it was almost
like I had a heart attack, and I went down
to a knee. I was like, ah, I thought I
was going to die in front of Crazy Girls, and
and the bouncer was like like yo, bro, like you okay,
And I'm like, I don't know, I can't breathe. And
(07:21):
I sort of got my ship together, went in and
I was like John, dude, I don't know, homer like
a mini heart attack, and I was like, I need
a vodka. And I had a remember I had a
vodka tonic. I remember, and sitting at the stage where
these girls are dancing, I'm just wondering if I'm gonna
make it or not.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
And then at Boom that started off my ship. I've
been on the draw. I'm Alexipro and you know, just
trying to get through my anxiety.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah, that ship club experience I had the exact opposite
effect for me. I went in, I was like, oh,
this is home.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Right, Like I don't need Lexapro, I just need LEXI
Yeah anyway, but for real though, like, how does your
anxiety manifest itself and is it stronger in certain situations?
Speaker 1 (08:29):
It's uh, yes, it's stronger in certain situations. But if
I'm not on the stuff that I'm on, Like right now,
I am microdose mushrooms and that does a lot. That
does a lot. When I'm not on that, everything is
a little bit worse. But just even when I am
on it, there's just a constant stream of like shit
(08:54):
going through my head.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
What what give me?
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Give me?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Like what does that river look like?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Like?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Am I am my good dad? Am I gonna work
ever again? You know?
Speaker 1 (09:08):
No, it's little little things. It's any things like if
I as I'm doing the dish, it you know I'll
be getting okay. Okay, So in the mornings, I'll wake
up and immediately I'm prepared because Walker has to wake up.
I need to let the two dogs out. I just
(09:32):
started making my bed because all these Instagram posts say
if you make your bed and your life is going
to be better. Got to make Walker extra eggs because
he's trying to gain weight. All of these things. It's
like there are a hundred things that hit my head
(09:52):
before I do them, and they are regarding those things.
So as I'm making the bed, I can see the
corners that are afraid. You know, the sheet is coming
up off the mattress. I hate the pillows that I
have and I have like major emotional reactions to you
(10:12):
know what I mean making the bed. Yeah, what's going
on with my life? Fuck? I need you know what
I mean before you ah, I would you know what
I'm saying. And that then as walk into the kitchen,
you know, I'll walk by there. It's it's it's fucking tiring.
I'm high. I'm high functioning. I try not to use
(10:36):
it as a cretch, but mm hmmm. I give myself.
I give myself credit, you know what I mean. Talking
to somebody, I'm taking in every facial movement they smell
like you know, like right now you're I see the
pink on your hat. Mm hmm, like a walkie talkie
(10:59):
mm hmm. And the way that you're saying mm hmm.
I know you, but I'm wondering if you're just literally
if you're just saying mm hmmm because you think you're
supposed to say, or if you're really listening you know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Mm hmm. No, no, no, no, By the way, Hey,
this is this is who. This is who I've known
for twenty years. You've always been like this, this is
your nature right right.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
But I didn't know it was a thing. I thought that.
I thought like everybody was like that.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I'm not dissimilar to that. I just don't It doesn't
move into a negative space. I just an observant person.
I think that's why you and I connected so well,
is we both are observant. We look at the sort
of minute, the specifics and try to sort of break
it down. You know, we're just curious. We're curiosity. But
(11:49):
I don't let it hurt me or affect me, you know.
I feel like that the bad thing sounds like a
little like ocd isshu.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
But there's that I was leaving the leaving the apartment. No,
it was like forty five minutes before she left the
apartment and I was singing something that happened, like getting
some peanut butter entirely. Forty five minutes later, she left
the building, was waiting for the elevator. Elevator. She could
still hear me singing, you know, making Peter. She was like,
(12:20):
what's going on? Sah? And I didn't know there was
you know, she was kind of you know, frustrated, and
you know, I blamed it on her then, but now
I realized it's it's I got I got something. I
got something.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
How do you quiet that or do you need to
quiet that? Or is it just an acceptance of who
you are? Maybe you're over self analyzing or it's like,
oh I was cool being who I was fifteen years ago.
Now all of a sudden, maybe I'm in my fifties
and now I'm like, am I still this person? Is
there's something wrong with me? When in reality it's just
your nature?
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah, yeah, it's not. Now everything has a name, and
now I'm all excited. But yeah, for for for all
my life, I just thought that was just how everybody,
how everybody was, you know, just like I remember putting
the child with the child that the kids seat in
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the car.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, the car seat.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
I would get hot and sweaty hot every time I
had to put Walker in that fucking car seat. And
it wasn't until I got on that whatever drug that was,
and I put put in the car seat and I
sat down to drive, and I was like, oh, wait,
I didn't feel I didn't feel all that that anxiety.
(13:37):
And I was like, oh, this ship works. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Talking about the microdoc in for a second because it's
something I've wanted to experiment with, and uh, you know,
is it in capsule form? Do you take it in
the morning? Do you just take one? And what's the feeling?
Obviously you're not tripping, you're not in any sort of
visual state.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Okay, So I'm awful with them, Like I don't take
everything every day, Like I'm awful with just schedules and shit.
So when I do take it, I've taken it in
different forms. Right, So just most recently, I've had this
really great tea and I fill up a thermos and
(14:33):
I sip it all throughout the day and then eat
joined with my pre workout, Like I am just feeling amazing, amazing,
nothing can be down. So that's that. Then there are capsules,
and the capsules level me out. They give me so
(15:01):
if I have my if I have a bit of anxiety,
I can logically get through it, whereas if I didn't,
I could spin out and if somebody uh uh cut
me off. Instead of you know, going crazy an awful example,
but instead of going crazy and be you know, do
(15:22):
what everybody else does, I can I can see the
logic of the other person, you know what I mean, Well,
maybe you know what I'm saying. It's really crazy, because
it was. It really helped when I was in a
relationship because when I was uh taking the capsules, I
could see the other the other person's side so clearly,
(15:42):
and it really helped inform, you know, my behavior. It's
it's something's going on with the they're they're they're they're
like magical, you know what I mean. Really hard to explain,
but it's like they they can find out what your
issues are and they they just massaged them. You know.
So I'm I'm I'm on board.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
And does your anxiety manifest into physical or is it
just your brain starts to swirl or do you get
short of breath, do you feel like you gotta throw
up or anything?
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Like that it's all mental. But sometimes it'll be so
in my head that I can feel the pressure and
it can be on me reacting to something as simple
as having to meet a bunch of parents at when
a Walker's basketball games. And the thing that scares me
(16:39):
not scares me. The thing that I feel, I feel
isn't fair is logically, I know, I can tell myself,
you know, I'm Ante Diggs or you know, none of
these people are judging me. There's no reason I need
to be nervous, like, I can tell myself all that,
but it doesn't it doesn't help the feeling. I still
have the feeling on a on a really bad day.
(17:04):
You know, I'm an actor, so I can pretend like
it's not happening, but my head will the pressure in
my head will be so intense, I know, and that
you know that's not cool.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
What about when you're working, When.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I'm working, not so not so much. I think I
think there's something. I think it has something to do
with me with that being my passion and loving it
there and being comfortable. Mm hmm, yeah, I'm comfortable there.
That's that's I'm the man at worked. Yeah. Yeah, But
the times where it has happened at work, It's like, uh,
(17:42):
I'll make a joke and then somebody won't laugh the
way I expected, And then in my head I'll be like,
oh my god, did I offend them that? And then
for the whole day I'd be like, should I go
back and apologize? Now? Should I write me email? Should
I text him? And then a lot of times I'll
go and say, listen, uh, this is weird. I said
(18:02):
this thing, and I don't know if it offended you,
but I just wanted to apologize. They didn't even you
know what I mean? Yeah, notice it. And for the
whole day I was obsessing over it. Yeah, eat myself up.
Oh oh okay. So Walker has a h I'm very
chatty right now.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I'm on a little bit of mushrooms right now, just
so you know.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Perfect.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
So Walker has an amazing basketball coach and a strength trainer. Right.
So the other day I just wanted to text them
and thank you, like because they're they're just they have
this back, James James and RJ. So I sent them
a text, Yo, fellas, I'm really I'm really grateful for
(18:47):
you know, the time and effort that you put into Walker.
He's turning into a great young man. And then I
made some joke that you know and you too are
Dina his mother? Right? But then I was like, but
Dean is a little bit different because she's not getting paid.
Is not getting paid ha ha Right, and a Diena,
(19:10):
that's to the text so many ways you can in
awful awful. So A Diena replied thanks taate. James didn't reply,
Ur didn't reply, And in my head I was like,
oh man, they are chipping out because I said, you
(19:32):
know they're acting that way because we pay them, and
I know for a fact that you know they really
love Walker. Oh how am I gonna? Okay? Should I
just let it? And then then then it goes to
the next level you know what I mean? It doesn't
I don't talk myself out of the original.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
It's tuck yourself deeper.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah, Like, okay, Well, how am I going to resolve this?
Do I? Oh? Ship, next time I see James, I'm
just gonna act like happened? Do I walk right up
and be like, hey man, I'm sorry. Cinema text. So
I took two days, you know, stood over that, and
then I texted a Dina, do you think the guys are? Like,
I don't know what you're talking about, but I think
(20:12):
they're fine. So then I just texted them listen, Uh.
I hope you guys didn't get offended when I said that,
you know, adena's not getting paid. I love you guys,
da da And they said I didn't even notice. I
didn't even know now, But then I was like, maybe
are they lying and you're.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Dying damn dude. Yeah, that's it's a it's a difficult
head to live in. I mean, it's just constant analysis.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yes, it's that, and it's and it's tiring sometime. Well,
I think I'm more aware of it now in my
older age, and I think I was. I was as
aware when I was younger.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Let me ask you a question, though, Where is that
space in your life where that goes away? Is it
at the gym? Is it? Where is it?
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Like? For me?
Speaker 2 (21:00):
All my boat and I fish and it's just me
and the ocean. Whoever I'm with, I don't think about anything.
I'm just present.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Well for me, it's uh, when I'm on one of
my five private jets or.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Oh yeah, yeah, I forgot about those A fucking boat
a boat can mean many things. It can have oars,
it can have engines, you know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
No, but I'm gonna get one because there's something very
spiritual and soothing the water. I realize that I'm I'm
one of those people. I get that work. Yeah, you
like work. When I'm When I'm working and I'm kind
of distracted, you know, when i'm or you know what
I mean, I have to keep my mind active. But
(21:47):
if i'm you know, sitting in the car or yeah,
whenever I'm I'm kind of idle. I really have to
force myself to just push through. And I've given myself
little you know, tricks, little distractions, meditations and whatnot, and
it's been helping.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
There's a vulnerability. Vulnerability is a kind of hot right now,
you know what I mean. I think you know.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
You must love me.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Then well, typically, well I'm saying typically, you know, men
and vulnerability, those two words sort of equaled weakness, and
now I think it's the opposite. I think there's a
strength in sort of being vulnerable. Not only that, but
when there's people in your position who have a reach
or even in mind. When you talk about candidly how
(22:38):
you're feeling what you're going through and your anxiety and
what's going on in your brain. It can sort of
make a lot of people not feel alone, even.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Though I'm very aware of you know, the amount of
anxiety I have and whatnot. On the flip side, I
love being older because I don't care about a lot.
So you know, when I was younger, I was very
very consumed with you know, how black people saw me
(23:08):
because I was without you know, I had a white wife,
and you know, the way I spoke and when I dressed.
I just wanted people to know that I was not
a sellout. So much time hoping that these people knew
who I really was. But it's such a relief to
(23:29):
not care, and it's it's freeing and that and that
that took up a lot of space in my life.
And when it comes to you know, you know, speaking
about mental health and stuff, you know, there's not even
a second of pause, which is which is great. I mean,
(23:51):
the mushrooms are helping a bit because I came in
real really hot, but those are like after this, I
will look back on this interview and uh and be
proud of myself because there was a day when when
everything would be planned mm hmm. And I'd make you know,
split second decisions on what about what to stay, but
(24:12):
there'd be some time. Okay, how do I say this?
What is he going to think? You know what I'm saying?
And that a lot. And it feels so good to
just be able to say what I feel and not care.
That's one of the great things about getting older.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah, no, I know, and and and you know, your
Instagram shows that you don't care because although although like
a couple of weeks ago, you hit me up and
you're like, is this funny? Like I like, is this funny?
(24:49):
Because you were a little insecure about it?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yeah. Yeah, because uh, you know, I like to stay
away from I like to be around things that make
me feel good, you know, I'm that means politics. There's
a whole bunch of stuff that I kind of removed
myself from. Yeah, because I end up carrying it with
me for the entire day. So I don't know what's
you know, what's taboo and what isn't and you know
(25:15):
him heard there's whatever. Yeah, And I you know, sometimes
I can have a really dark and interesting sense of humor.
I think I'm funny, So every once in a while,
I need to check in and be like, is this
is this cool? No?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I know you don't want to You don't want to
put you don't want to put something out there that
you are even even a scoche concern whether it's funny
or not. Like, I'll never post anything that I don't
believe is really funny. If even if there's a moment
where I'm like, wait a minute, I won't do it.
I won't even think twice, I'm like it's gone.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
The weird thing about that is because I've done that,
but it was contingent upon my mood at the time.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Mm hm.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
That I hate because once that mood passes, they like,
oh that's really not as funny as I thought. Yeah,
But when I did it, I thought it was hilarious.
That's part of it.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
How is it raising a dude as a single parent,
as a single dad?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
You know?
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I mean, do you know no different?
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Right?
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Because this is just what you've been doing. But are
there pros to it? And are there cons to it?
Are there things that you you know, wish you had
for him that you couldn't give him.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
I'll be honest, I feel like I'm getting away with
so much I feel like I feel like I'm not
doing it the way it's supposed to be done. I
feel like I'm cheating. I got lucky, like Walker's mother
is amazing, So I'm not raised. I don't. I don't
(27:07):
consider myself like a dad. It's cool to say, and
I get the credit, but she is right there. She
does everything, got it everything, and I can't think about
it for too long or else I such to feel guilty.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
But you know, it worked, like all the all the
administrative bullshit, that right, Yeah, and then.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
The stuff that I need he'll send me, you know
what I mean. Yeah, that's the that's the major part
of it. That's he's really.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
You just play and have a good time and be
like the best dad ever. Like dad is cool.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Walker's awesome, you know what I mean. He's cool. We
have the same sense of humor. He plays sports. We
watch the movie. It's It's a It's a cakewalk. There
have been times, you know, when it's been difficult, but
I'm easy on myself. I try to be as honest
as I can and I try to listen, you know
(28:11):
what I mean, And that seems to be working. He
he He's so easy. Yeah, So easy. So I really
feel like God or the universe somebody knew me and
was like, Okay, well, we need to give this guy
a break because he the way he is, he could
not he's he did not cut out to be a parent.
(28:36):
But my childhood had a stepfather that like beat us
and I don't know, I don't know how I'm doing it.
So I feel like someone is guid is guiding me
and just you know, really helped me out.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, you need to repeat those patterns, which my dad
did because his dad bailed on him, and my dad
sort of didn't have much of a choice. He didn't
have therapy, he was the fifties, He didn't have any
sort of self awareness or was given any sort of
guidance as to how to be a dad. It can
only sort of not be by example or lack of example,
(29:13):
and that's what happened with him and us. Or you
can analyze your situation and never want to be that
person and rail against it, you know, And so that's
what I did, So you know, I would. You can
give credit to the universe or God or whatever the
hell you believe in, but you also have to give
credit to yourself. You know what I'm saying, like, you're
the one who made the choice. You have free will,
(29:36):
even if it's unconscious, you know, even if it's just
something that's a part of you thinking, I'm not this
is not the kind of fucking dad that I want
to be to my son.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yeah, okay, I just like for me, it's yes, I
hear you. Where I do make the choices are when
I want to lecture him or you know, just we
like to talk, you know what I mean to hear
myself talk. I think a lot of what I say
is is right. And but with Walker, I'm constantly monitoring,
(30:07):
monitoring myself and forcing myself to just listen and not
make it about me and I and I give myself
credit for that because it's it's hard mm hmmm, because
I've I've been there, I've done that, and I know,
but his experience is completely different, and I want him
to to experience that, you know, without being affected by
(30:32):
my past and my history. You know what I'm saying.
I think really important for kids to go through these
experiences themselves and and figure figure shit out. And that
is not me. I'm like, I have all the answers,
you know, and and I do with other people still,
but with Walker, you know, as you said, it's a
(30:53):
it's a choice.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yeah, we think we have all the answers. My thing
is with Wilder kids, it's like, I was like, do
you guys, do you guys fucking get how cool I was?
I mean, do you not understand that? Like you're looking
at me like I'm an old man, and yeah I'm
forty eight, I'm looking older. Okay, but I was the
(31:16):
ship I was. I was way cooler than you guys
who were And they're like, Dad, You're not cool. You
were not cool. You don't get it. I'm like, I
get it.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
I want to tell them that because.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Myself, Yeah, I'm like I know what the fuck I'm
talking about. And they're like, you don't get it. I'm like, well,
you've you've got to listen to me. You've got to
listen to me. You need to trust me. And they're like, whatever, Dad,
you're stupid.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Yeah, it's humbling. Yeah. Walker teaches me every single.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Day, does he?
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yes, Oh yes, that's great.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Yeah you know, I mean, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Somebody's looking down on me and just hooking me up
because I got a bunch of freebies and and I'm
very aware of it. And you know, you could easily
go down a road of like, you know, guilt and
shame and I should be doing more. And you know,
(32:18):
compare comparing yourself to other parents.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
That that that's the worst thing.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yeah, I just it's much easier to not you know
what I mean, like going the opposite direction, and.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Well that that's that's how I am not as a parent.
Like honestly, as a parent, I like the way that
I do it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
But but the right way, you know what I mean? Yeah,
feels good to me.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
It feels good to me, and I don't care if
it's the right way or I don't think. I don't
believe there is a right way in a wrong way
that I don't think that there is. I mean, I
think there's wrong ways. Because when you're fucking up your children. Yes,
by the way, I've said this a million times, it's
not about if you fuck up your children, it's about
to what degree it's going to happen. You're fucking them
(33:07):
up one way or another, you know what I mean?
Little things. Yeah, I think it's supposed to happen. I
really believe it. Yeah, that builds resilience, it builds character.
You know, it's them individuating, saying, oh, dad's telling me this,
but he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.
And then they either succeed or fail and say Dad
was right or Dad was wrong, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Like yep.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
And it's about giving them that freedom too. The other
thing is we are just living in this time where
we are coddling the shit out of our kids, not
letting him do things, not letting him individuate and get
into trouble or get into a bad situation where they
got to get themselves out of because we're so fear
based given technology and Instagram and TikTok in the news,
(33:52):
everything everything we click on is fear based or sex based,
and so now there's these it's just instilled some much
fear where it's like, no, let them fucking go. Let
them walk around and walk into Westwood and walk over here,
and you know, go because they need it.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
And it's yeah, they walker didn't know how to I
want to say microwave, but it was even it was
even more simple than that. A comb. He didn't know
there was a small comb, uh, really thin too.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh what it was? No, dude,
I just saw this, this clip of this younger generation
being shown a VHS tape and they're like what is
this and they're like, ah, I don't know, literally, I
didn't know what the fuck it was was. We're getting
(35:01):
into that time now where it's great.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Walker loves to hear the stories of of of your isn't.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
This Yeah, yeah, like Yester your.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Some of the time that you rode your sledge down
and the corner store and got them for five cents.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Dad, like put a pipe in. You're like, sit down, Sun. Well,
the year was nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
We went through a stage where he was like, Dad,
out of nowhere. It is when he was like eight
or nine, out of nowhere. We'd been science silence and
it sing Dad, did you stop? Did you? Step father
really hit you? And I'd be like, yeah, he took
this belt and he can't fathom that. Yeah, Like he
(35:55):
comes from a world where you know, he's in a
world where it and I love that, love that because
in my world, if you didn't get spanked then but
then we made fun of you and beat we got beats,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah, oh my god, My mine's the opposite. My kids
are like, Dad, tell me about that story. You're on
that three hundred foot yacht in Majorca with Ron Meyer
and Michael Ovitz.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Well, you know, you know, take them on all that stuff.
And he's so over it, except it was this one.
There was one time when he was younger, we were
We're in first class and he's sitting on the on
the seat watching all the people go by, and he goes, Dad,
where are they going second class?
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Oh boy, oh my god, second class?
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Let me let me ask you this. So some people
would say, sometimes I wonder if Walker is is too
too soft. You know, he's a basketball player, and you know,
really little things can kind of unnerve him. And there
are times when I want to say, you're gonna have
to toughen up. Is the world out there is is tough.
(37:13):
But then there's another side of me, like spoiling. Like
he's very aware he doesn't want to be spoiled. I
like to spoil. I like to buy himself.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Yeah I get that.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Yeah me too. I mean and for me, I'm at
a point in my career where I can go somewhere
not look at the price and get it, and then
that subfishally that still makes me feel good. So I
extend that to Walker. And you know, sometimes people will
make fun of me and say, you know, you better
watch yourself, but I want to know your thoughts. I
(37:47):
believe that if it's coming from a good place and
you're teaching your child, you know how to be a
responsible human being in like through example, I don't have
to worry about spoiling him like he so far, he
(38:07):
he has nice things, but he gets that not everybody
has them. Yeah, and it doesn't affect his behavior.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Then he's not spoiled. It's funny you even asked me
this question because I've talked about this before, not not
on the podcast, but just in general. I don't believe
the definition of spoiled is is getting is getting a
lot of things. It's about the context understanding. Like you
were saying, like like, I'm gonna buy you cool shit
because I fucking love you. And as long as you
(38:37):
don't expect that, as long as this isn't sort of
something that you think is the norm, and I'm always
going to do this, and when you don't get it,
you're gonna throw some sort of a bullshit fit right,
you know, I mean right then you're not spoiling your kids.
You are giving You're giving them stuff, gifts that you
want to give them, and they understand not to take
(38:59):
it for granted. And this isn't necessarily the real world,
you know. But I love you and you know, and
we're fortunate, you know, we're fortunate, and this is this
is that you know for sure. But at the same time,
now that my kids are getting older, you know, they
have to work for their stuff.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
You know.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Wilder had a job, you know, last year, he was
working in retail. And I got them older, I got
them My boys are own credit cards to build credit
at a young age, you know what I mean. So
they both they both have their credit cards and they
have a limit and it's not a it's not a
high limit at all per month, and that is their card.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Huh. Good for you.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Yeah, So that is their card to buy the things
that they want to buy. The minute that it they
get through that and there's no longer any money in it,
you're dead. Don't come ask me for fucking money. Learn
to budget.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
You know.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
They have their apps. They know how to look at
the apps and see what they're spending obviously, like school lunches,
I'll pay for or and you know, stuff like that.
But my kids love to order fucking Postmates. Where I'm cooking,
I've got I've got food in the fridge. I'm like,
that's on your thing. You can order Postmates, but that's
goes to your budget. I'm not paying for that shit.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
You know. Let me ask you this, whose idea was
that with the critic A mine? You know, mine?
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Because I like that.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
That would not have like, that's a little bit off,
Like I would not have thought of that. I need
someone else to tell me things like that, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Yeah, yeah, I mean for me, it was just about responsibility.
I'm tired of spending money on all of your bullshit.
So here you go. You're going to have a budget
and that's it. And again you can start building their
credit at the age of fucking thirteen, which is good,
Which is good, you know.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Yeah, and Adina did it with Walker. You know, you'll
come in the house with this this new stuff and
new ideas or new ways of doing things, and oh
should I have thought of that? Well, Venus got it, so.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Yes, yeah, but but how much I mean you give
him everything, dude, you know what I mean. You are
his male figure in his life. Holy shit, give him
lots of Jordan's sneakers. Yeah, no, yeah, we have, we have.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
We have really great talks. We have really great talks,
and he's very insightful and and uh and that that
part is fun, Yeah, really really great discussions.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Do you think you'll ever get married again? Uh?
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Someone? Maybe? Maybe?
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Is that something you're open to?
Speaker 1 (41:41):
And I'm also open to having another child.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
I think with the right person, that could be really fun.
But it also feels really great to not. I don't
maybe not, and I'm cool with yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
But you're single right now, right.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
I'm very very single, and I go through stages where
all of a sudden, you know, I feel like I
need to have a girlfriend, I should have a girlfriend,
And then I'll go through a point in time where
I'm like, this is awesome. I don't I don't have
any I don't have anybody to answer to arguments, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
The closest, Yeah, fifteen dating, finding love. There's a lot
of baggage, accepting kids, accepting the situation that she might
be in that you're in. You know, it's a strange
game at your age, you know what I mean, especially
because I know you're you have so much love and
you're a lover. You don't want to fucking die alone.
(42:45):
You know, you want to grow old with someone. You
want to have that companionship. I don't know. Maybe I'm
trying to you're going to die alone.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Well, man, I won't die aloge. I'm trying to by
somebody else, strip or somebody. I'll have somebody for me,
you know what I mean. It might be a great friend.
You know what I mean, right, You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
They like your hospice is at Crazy Girls, I'll just
want you in there.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Yeah, yeah, And I'll be okay with that.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
By the way, I might put that into a show
or some show I'm doing, or a guy does hospice
at a strip club.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Like the other day, Like I'll go through stages where like, Oh,
I did this movie called Forever, where you know, I
played a member of a couple very healthy relationships. And
as I was.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Playing what's this what movie?
Speaker 1 (43:39):
This movie called Forever was on Lifetime with Megan Good?
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Oh, this is what you just did? You produced it too,
very proud of it. Good for you. Dude, how was that?
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Very proud of it. She's really great. But while I
was playing this character, it made me realize, it made
me remember the good parts of being in a relationship
mm hmm, acting and she's wonderful. So I went through
a stage where I was like, oh, I miss that,
I missed going grocery shoping, going to the movies and
walking to and then actually, if I'm being honest, like
(44:13):
I was trying to pursuing this girl, she ghosted me
on texts, and then I got really negative. And then
all of a sudden, I was like, oh, how great
would it be to go on a trip and invite
(44:33):
seven beautiful women with you know, two of them? And
I was like, that's that's not that's cool. There's there's
that society as well. Yeah, of course, or just uh,
you know, driving with Walker and just just us.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
So I go through different different stages and I'm just
trying to be easy on myself exactly, you know what
I mean, because I grew up the opposite. I grew
up everything is supposed to be a specific way, and
I tried that and it didn't work out.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
What I've always loved about you too is admittedly by
the way. You know, we've told the story before, but
we met on a movie a million years ago, my
new best friend you know where you know, you wasn't Darren.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
You weren't gay, but by what would you call yourself? Oh?
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Eric Cole?
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yeah, like you were that dude?
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. In the Eric Cole was
Oh god, what a movie? What a movie?
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Was?
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Want to tays better performances where he really did some
experimental ship, which we've laughed about forever and ever. Yeah,
you guys, go do yourself a favor and go watch
my new best friend rent it watchdays performance he does.
He's like a crossing one eye with a pigeon towed sheriff.
(45:50):
It was very bold, bold choices, other accent. He did
a white man call southern accent.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
I thought I was too, I was so, but.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
It was it was it was love. It it was
love at first sight. It's fucking funny. I were running
out of time, dude. But I do want to get
your thoughts on this whole fucking p Diddy situation. Not
that there's thoughts. I mean, it's just no, there there are,
there are, It's just it's so wild. It's just so
(46:29):
off putting.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
I felt so naive when I heard all that stuff
because I was I don't know where I was, but
all of it blindsided me everything, you know what I mean.
So it's kind of the double edge for me. So
on one side, I'm like, well, this is great for people
(46:52):
to know that this happens. We can think that life
is to be lived a certain way. We can think
of person is a way and they can be the
exact opposite and get used to that. You know. I
really he was a hero to me. I loved how
he you know, he didn't come from much, and he
(47:13):
started out as a dancer and you know, all the
things that I wasn't growing up. He was so much
confidence and then it you know, at a certain arrogance
that I loved. And then he made you know, black
being black cool. I mean, I came from a place
where you know, we had to ask everything, and you know, well,
I'm black, so of course I'm going to be treated
(47:37):
like this. And I looked at him and he worked
like as a bat, you know what I'm saying. So
I really put him on a pedestal. And it was
disappointing to UH to see some of of what happened.
I couldn't believe it, and I didn't like I didn't
(47:58):
like that feeling.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
M hm, you know if these allegations and the things
that they're saying are true. And dude, it's just people
are sick. I mean, there's just it's yeah, they're sick.
All right, baby, I love you. This was so much
fun and uh, maybe we should do a daytime talk
show together.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
What do you think? Oh? I love that idea, you
and me?
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Yeah, daytime show.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
All right, let's do it, all right, buddy, I'll bet
to the family. Yeah you too, brother, Let's hang out soon. No,
bye bye, all right bye?
Speaker 1 (48:29):
I hate you.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
Ah my man, man take fuck. I love that guy.
We we uh, we got into a lot of stuff together.
We had a lot, a lot of fun and he's
just a deep person. He's curious always, like not just
in this interview, which is so interesting, interviewing your friends,
(48:59):
like you're really good friends. It was natural and it
worked out well, But you know, what are you going
to talk about? We just got into philosophies. I feel
like he wanted to. I feel like he wanted to,
you know, get into the deeper part of things, which
is totally who he is and I love him for it.
I love that dude's vulnerability. I love his curiosity. I
(49:23):
love his not trying to be too cool. He's just
dope anyway. I love everyone, Love you guys. Thanks Piece,
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