September 15, 2025 • 43 mins
The family that crosses over together stays together, just ask Goldie Hawn! The Hollywood legend joins her kids and world-renowned psychic
John Edward for a special episode that is just ‘beyond!’
Goldie, Kate, Oliver and John share their personal encounters with the spiritual realm, and John explains how the rest of us can tune in and receive messages from our dearly departed.
Plus, hear about the FBI naysayer who turned into a believer and how John has been using his gift to help solve cold cases.
John's new book "Chasing Evil" is available now.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
We wanted to do something that highlighted our.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are
a sibling.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Raivalry.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Revelry.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Kate.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Quiet, I'm trying to do an intro.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Everyone.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Everyone be quiet. I'm trying to do an intro.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
That's what I was going to say before anyone spoke,
was that we have John Edward here, who is a
world renowned medium, and he was we're lucky enough to
be graced his presence.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Kate.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Here's what I was going to say. Kate couldn't be
here because she's working. And then I was going to say,
but we have another incredible human being here who happened
to give birth to myself. Her name is Goldiehan, better
known as my mother, who's here as well.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
She's also my mother.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
And in this scenario, you weren't here yet, right, Remember that?
Speaker 5 (01:25):
When did you ever stake to your script? Is what
I want to know.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Never I stick to ideas, and then the ideas are less.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
And right feeling the revelry. I'm feeling it.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
You're feeling the feel But you know, look, we've grown
up with the psychics and medium's mom has been extremely
involved in this. Then of course myself and my sister
are as well. I've consulted oracles of you know, should
I do this job or not. I'm like, Mom, call somebody.
(01:57):
I don't know if I should do this gig or not.
You know, Mom's like, okay, hold on, speed dove, speed dove, speeded.
So I wanted to bring Mommy into I know.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
I'm yeah, this.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Is John for a long long time.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
I mean really really happy it meets to John. I'm excited.
And all the amazing work that you have done over
these years and literally you know, we're brought in with
a gift and how you've used it as extraordinary. So
you've helped a lot of people. And I know that
when you were born and you were a little boy
and you were having all of these visions and things,
(02:33):
I mean looking at it as a kind of a
game for you, you know a little did you know at
that time the impression that you're going to have on
so many people. So anyway, it's a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Well, thank you yeah, let's start there. Where did you
grow up?
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I grew up on Long Island, a small town called Glencoe.
My dad Irish American New York City police officer, career,
military guy. Wow. Mom very Italian, one of eleven. My
grandmother was very into this subject matter, so therefore her
children were open to the subject matter. My dad was not,
(03:08):
So there was a polar opposite of belief. And my
dad's rule was make sure my son is never around
any of that bs, and my mom made sure that
I was kept away from it. They wound up divorcing.
We moved into my grandmother's house, which I always jokingly
referred to as the paranormal hub of activity. But I
had adopted my dad's philosophy that this wasn't real. So
(03:28):
I used to make fun of all the people that
came to my grandmother's house to do readings until I
met one woman who read for me, and she was
the woman who put me on my path. And I
was fifteen, and she told me that I would change
the way millions of people looked at her subject matter.
And I want to emphasize again, I was fifteen, and
she sounded like she was batshit crazy. And I was like, Okay,
(03:52):
this woman is delusional. But everything she told me happened,
and she told me things that this is no way possible.
She could have like I would have had to tell
her these things, and then she would have had to
know the people that I was connected to. And then
she gave me scenarios and outcomes that were not logical,
and then they happened. And that got my attention. And
I say very openly that I didn't go, oh my god,
(04:12):
she told me that I was psychic, I'm gonna go
do readings. I actually felt violated. I felt like this
woman walked around my life. I didn't like it, and
I wanted to know, well, if people can do this,
like if this, like if was real, how do I
stop how do I stop other people from like doing
like what if people can just like do that? And
that sent me to the public library where I read
every book in nineteen eighty five that was on the
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shelf at that time was under the occult section. And
at that moment, I was like, well, this is not psychic.
This is common sense. Like we all have these moments
of like seeing your dead grandfather. And I would ask
people like at school haven't you ever seen a dead grandfather?
And the responses were normally no, like you've never ever
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just hypothetically got a glimpse of somebody in your family
that was dead, and they were like, I can't say
that I had. So I kind of realized that, Okay,
so maybe some of my earlier experiences had to be reframed.
And that became a journey of analyzing what I experienced,
what I see here and feel, how do I perceive things?
(05:16):
And then I just dove headfirst and within a year
I was doing ratings at sixteen. Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
So going back just a little bit, when you had
when you're growing up in such a polarizing family where
you have the Irish cop and the Italian mom, which
is just so amazing, by the way, I mean, there's
like a sitcom there, I think, I know, but the
it was almost like you strangely had the best of
both worlds in that you had this ability, but there
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was also skepticism.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
In a way for me, they both they they were
a catalyst of how I viewed the subject matter because
I think that inherently I'm an analytical, logical person. I
like information, and I was the kid that was thrown
out of religious instructions at least three times because I
asked questions that were deemed inappropriate and at one point blasphemous.
(06:07):
And I say this openly. I wasn't trying to be
a disruptive kid. Things just didn't make sense. Like when
people would say things, I'd be like, wait, wait, but
how come and why? And I was taught, well, you're
not supposed to question that. You're supposed to just believe that.
You're just supposed to know that and that's what we believe.
And I was like, yeah, well that's not working for me,
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like because the one one is not adding up to
be five for me, like I know it to be too,
So where are the other three that you're getting five from?
And people couldn't like address those things. So there were
those moments, and I think what I always want people
to be is a seeker. Is if we're being a seeker,
that leads to us exploring, and if we have exploration,
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that can lead to discovery. Once you have discovery, that
raises your awareness and once your awareness is raised to something,
now you can put that into action. That's been my
life and it's always like ooh, I want to learn more.
I want to know more, and I am inquisitive by
nature as well. So you put all this together and
I became almost insatiable with information. I was like, I
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want to learn more about astrology. I want to know
about neurology, I want to lear about psychometry, all of
these things that were like tools of divination, not to predict,
but to kind of learn how we can live a
better life.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
So interesting because I have the question and wonder how
what is going on? What is going on in your mind?
What happens when you're seeing things and you don't know why?
And I think, having had some mysel excuse me, I'm
looking at that, and I am so curious about that
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very thing. What is happening? Why is it? Then when
you go to sleep and you have a dream about
your father who's long gone, and he's telling you everything's
going to be okay, and you're sitting on a mountaintop
and it feels so real, and then you wake up
the next morning and you feel like you've been blessed.
What is that?
Speaker 4 (08:03):
That's a visit? Right, that's a visit. It's a visit.
That's a visit. That's a difference. There's a difference between
a visit and a dream. Dreams fade and dreams of
this like amalgamation of what like kind of comes together
in our unconscious mind with like life and fears and thoughts,
and but a visit is where they're coming through directly
to you and they're going to let you know that
it's them, and it's usually positive and very vivid. They
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sometimes look vibrant or young, and there could be little
nuggets of information about your future to validate that it
was really them. But when you wake up, you won't
forget it. You could have had it fifty years ago exactly,
remember it like it was five minutes ago, because it
was an encounter. It was a real meeting.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
So I guess the other question is is because speaking
to the other side and having that experience and being
correct about the things that particularly the people from the
over and you know, the other side are saying to
me and it cannot be disputed period, you also wonder
how did that person know that or the channel? And
(09:01):
but my other bigger question is that I'm filled with
so much love when I'm talking to someone on the
other side from a facilitator like that, what are they feeling?
Do they have emotions? Where are these entities? What do
they feel like? Because when Daddy says to me, you know,
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make sure you you know, put away the butter. You
know that was something you always told me. No one
knows that. But what did daddy feel?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
You know?
Speaker 5 (09:32):
When my mom came to me and said things to
me about the laughs we had and sofas in the car.
My point is, I would like to know that they're
in some form that is real. So when you're doing
this and you see the people, you hear them, they're
speaking to you, you're sharing. What do you think they're feeling?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Well, I guess the idea is consciousness, Like what is consciousness?
When we die, our consciousness die.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
So I think that they're more real than we are.
I think the vibration and the frequency that they operate
on is a more real dimension of the essence of
who we truly are, and that here in the physical form,
we're lowering our vibration and we're now playing a role. Right.
You guys are amazing actors, and you've been in so
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many different things, but at the core, you're you. But
you played roles, not the roles you played. However, each
role you played contributes to who you are and your
body of work. So if our soul is the actor
and the lifetimes that we've been in are the roles,
we're an amalgamation of all of that. And then that
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tapestry we've all been a part of. You have been
probably in multiple lives and multiple incarnations, and now it
just reinforces what your relationship dynamic is, and that's love, right.
The pure essence of who they feel like is coming
from a place of love, and that's what they want
to convey. So I always want people to know that
they're okay, we're not They're they're doing all right, and
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they're they're still with us. And when they come through,
they're going to come through with like regular, everyday, trivial,
mundane things, things that are not groundbreaking or earth shattering,
but stuff to say, hey, I know that you did that,
and by the way, I was with you when you
did that exactly.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
I mean, I don't want to go into stuff in
my life, but truly it's what it is. But I
wanted to say and have thank you so much for
being here, I miss you so much, and so forth.
But these are very human sort of longings and emotion.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
They don't have that. Now that's a reason. That's what
I wanted to get at. That is really important. Many
people will say, well do they miss me? And I
have to be honest and be like not really, and
they go, what do you mean they don't miss me?
And I'm like, well, they still have us. We miss
what we don't have physically, but they're still participants in
our lives, so they don't miss it because they're with us.
(11:59):
They're still Cannet. And I always want people to include them,
like people include them in the negative times, but they
don't always include them in the positive times. So I'm like,
always be fifty percent of the equation. When it's a
you know, a boring day. It's like on my Instagram
feed one day, I was like, you know what, there's
nothing going on in my mom's past, Like there's no
birthdays and no adversaries. I posted a photo of her
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and me when I was a little boy, and I
just put it up as a as a post just
to honor my mom. And I thought about it after
the fact and I was like, you know, she's probably
like in the other side, going look, look, look, my
son just posted something on earthogram. You know, look, look,
and there's no there's no reason for me to have
done it, but just to include her and honor her
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in a way that I was feeling it.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Yes, because we're human and we had these emotions. But
when you talk about they, which is I guess a
conglomertive energies. I suppose I think.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
We have different days too, right, So we have the
day that we're related to in the physical world, right,
that become our family that we're connecting with, And then
we have the day that are our teachers. Because I
believe that we all have a spirit team, like spirit
gods that are here to guide us and help us
and give us insights, and I think it's important to
plug into them as well. So if I'm doing a
reading for someone and I feel like the information is
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coming from above me, so imagine you're in the shower, right,
and the water's coming from above the shower head. It
is coming this way, that's coming from my guides. I
trust that I've been working them forever. If I'm reading
for you and I'm connecting with somebody that is your family,
that information comes from around you, it feels different to me,
So I can tell where the information is coming from.
But ultimately, to go back to the original question, how
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does it come through? Whatever I see here and feel
And it's very cryptic, and it's kind of like sign language,
so it's not a open conversation. There's no physical body.
They can't make sound right, so it's got to be
an energetic form of communication. So they download information and
then the individual who's receiving it, whether it's me or you,
you're going to receive it in your frame of reference,
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which is why I'll always tell people I don't think
anybody shol should read dream books unless you wrote it,
because you're dreaming in your own symbolism, and you have
to figure out what your dream means for you. So
we were both going to get a message from somebody
in this room. And they showed you and apple, and
they showed you and apple, and they showed me an apple.
We're probably gonna have three different definitions of what that
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apple means to us.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Did you have to learn that language or was it all?
Did it come to you immediately?
Speaker 4 (14:33):
I got a lot through movies and TV, believe it
or not. Really, Yeah, a lot of my symbolism would
come through movies, and TV. I would see scenes of
things and I'd be like, well, that scene reminds me
of this, and then I would say that and then
they'd be like, yeah, it's exactly what happened. And I
was like, Okay, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Were you a movie guy a TV guy growing up?
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Well, I used to manage a video store, so let's
just say that it came in really handing.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Wow. So do you think though, that these entities sort
of use this part of who you are to communicate?
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Meaning do I think that they I feel like not
to date myself, but I feel like my brain is
like the Dewey decimal system, right, And it's kind of
like like the Dewey decimal system, you know, it's like
how do you go for the young people that would
be Google, But it's like you would kind of like
look to see where how do I get in to
say that, yeah, help show them this, you know. It's
like playing pictionary, spirits or charades with the afterlife. And
(15:22):
then I'm sure there's a lot of times that they
must be like, dude, like it's just a it's just
a blue hat, Just say the blue hat, right, Like
what are you going for the team for it just
say the blue hat. Yeah. One time I did reading
for a woman and her husband passed, and her husband
was coming through and throughout the entire reading, so you know,
like when you're watching a television, they have a little
logo of the network that you're watching. So the entire
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time I'm reading for her, I'm seeing like a bell.
But I don't say that. Oh No. I started talking
about Philadelphia because I thought liberty bell mm hmm, and
she goes, I have any ties to Philadelphia? I'm like,
what about like colonial America? Do you have any type
of like I take this woman down a rabbit hole
of like flag making, what about taco bell? So the
(16:10):
point that the woman literally says to me, are you
sure that's my husband? And I went, now, ninety nine
percent of this information is all validated. I just can't
figure this out. So go man, Because I can't figure
out what this bell means, you're gonna like disregard everything else.
She had such a reaction to the bell part, like
a physical and emotional reaction. I was like, oh, what
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does the bell mean? When she composed herself, she said,
my husband's on a business trip. When he came back,
we had a great weekend. Monday morning came and he
was getting ready to go to work. He opened up
his attache case briefcase. He had brought her back a
bell from his last business trip, and he went to
her night table and said, honey, if you ever need me,
just ring this and I'll come running. Left it on
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the night table. Oh, left and got into a car
accident and died. It was the last thing I said
to her. Where do I go to Philadelphia?
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Flags, Yeah, talking about Dolly Madison ice cream like you
name it, and this I was probably like, dude.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
What do you just.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
So I am going to say everything I'm seeing, hearing,
and feeling, I'm going to interpret it as to what
it means for me, and then I'm going to acknowledge
the fact that I could be wrong right. And I
think that's what my style of teaching about the subject
matter has been. And that's because at fifteen sixteen, when
I came into this work and I met people who
were doing this that were forty and fifty and sixty
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years old and they had years doing it. They kind
of made me feel like they were here and I
was here, and they were unapproachable, like and like untouchable,
and I was like, you know what, I don't like
the way they read. I don't like the fact that
they're making it seem like we know all and the
client can't be a part of this. And they made
it so that I was going to be inclusive and
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teach about what I was experiencing, because ultimately, it's not
about the medium. It is about the client. And if
it's about the client, then my job should be to
get you to recognize that you don't need me. Nobody
needs the medium. What they need is an understanding in
the philosophy that they can make these connections, and all
the medium should be doing is validating what we believe
already to be true.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Amazing Kate there.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Yes, I'm here, and I've been like biting my no.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I want you to come in. I know it's hard
to break in when you're you know, getting glam done.
But why don't you.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Well, I have so many questions, but I I you know,
I experience a lot of sche like a lot of this.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Kay. Do you remember meeting me on the zoom Yes? Okay,
So that was a really pivotal night for me because
that was at the beginning of the COVID pandemic and
you guys, you guys are all having that like cool
group FaceTime zoomy thing that was happening every night, and
folks were bringing like show and tell people to the groups,
and Kim Gridad was like, Hey, would you come do this?
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And I said, I don't know if I could do that,
but I'll try. And you were amazing. That was an
amazing night. So thank you for being so gracious and
helping to make me feel comfortable, because you you definitely did.
Because I was a little blown away by the amount
of people that were on that and the caliber of
people that were on Yeah, I was like, you know,
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I don't really have a poker face, so I was like,
I was looking at the screens and I was.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Like, it was an interesting group, yes, But I guess
I wonder, like I wonder about how you hear I
have I have experiences where I hear dialogue, and I
wonder if you like, I know everybody has a different
way of accessing, but do you ever actually like, does
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it download as dialogue ever?
Speaker 4 (19:51):
For you? So it downloads us thoughts, So you're saying dialogue,
I'm going to say thoughts. So I'll have these thoughts
that kind of come in my head, and then I
will go to the analytical part of it to try
to figure out, like, Okay, what does that mean? Where
am I getting this from? How do I say this?
So whatever I see here and feel? And for the
people that are listening, when you guys, if you if
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you ever ever read something and then you had to
go back and reread something because you had another thought
that came in and you were like, exactly, every's But
that's a reading, right, That's what a reading feels like.
I'm focusing. I'm focusing on one thing and then I'm
paying attention to the other part of that which comes in.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
So when you do you think it's inherited.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Yes, it's definitely inherited, you do, It's absolutely inherited.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
An Italian, your Italian side, I mean, I mean, I'm wondering,
like if Italians seem to have quite a history of
psychic and well.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
There's a lot of superstition that goes on that side
of the family, you know, when you got to talk
about the malochia and who overlooked you and the bad
energy and what do you do to get rid of it?
And prayer and when your grandmother has a you know,
a nightstand, a night table, that bureau that's got better
saints than the church. You know, you grow up with
this like faith based, superstitious, anything's possible. Yes, your grandfather
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was sitting at the dining room table, that's who you
saw kind.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Of vibe wow, right, how did how did you square?
Or how did both questions? How did your how did
your mother square? Catholicism?
Speaker 4 (21:26):
And so my mom was not a church goer. She
was not, No, she was the you have to go
to church. And I'd be like, well, why do I
have to go to church? You're not going to church?
And then I got to do as I say, not
as I do. Speech. Yeah, so my grandmother dragged me
to church pretty much every day until I went to
first grade.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
On your dad's side, my mom's side, your mom's side,
So your mom was not a church goer, not a churchgoer, no,
and your but your dad was Catholic yep. And so
how did that work with he was.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Very vested and you know, if you want to call
it psychic phenomenon and so forth. So probably that's something
that the church was look a little bit down.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
That's what I'm saying, how do you how would they
square religion?
Speaker 4 (22:04):
And so when my mom and dad divorced, I remember
we were at a family wedding or something, and my
mom sat in the back row of the church, away
from everybody else in the family. And my mom was
a little bit of a you know, she was a
moody kan serrian. I'll leave it at that. So I
thought she was making a choice to sit back there.
And then I said, come come sit with us, and
she was like no. And then after the fact, I
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said why wouldn't you come sit with us and she said, well,
because I'm a divorced woman, I'm basically excommunicated as a Catholic.
And I was like, would you get a letter from Rome.
I'm like, come say with your family, and she said no, no, no.
So I grew up in the family that was if
you missed Mass and didn't go to confession, you couldn't
say an act of contrition and receive It was like, no, no,
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you have to go to confession type of thing. So
even though she didn't really go, she still believed in
what the rules were. And therefore I thought that because
of what I did, then I too was sitting in
the back pew of the church. And then on one
day I got an appointment where at two o'clock. My
appointment said Francis. And when I opened the door, there
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was a nun there and it was sister Francesca. And
I said, can I help you? And she said are
you John? And I said I am. She goes, I'm
your two o'clock and I went, oh, okay, come on in.
You know, I'm my grandmother. Now super Catholic is like
a nun is coming to see her right, And I
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bring her upstairs and she goes into the room that
I'm going to read in, and I said, I'll be
right with you. And then I went into the other
room when I called my girlfriend, which is not my wife,
and I was like, there's a nun here, and she's like,
why I went for a reading? And she goes, then
why are you calling me? Because like I'm distracted. She's like,
why are you distracted? Is she topless? I was like, Sidra,
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She's like full on in her nun the habit and whatever.
She's like, John, I am working. She's like, go read
the nun. Yeah, I compose myself.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I go back in the room next book.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
I sit there. I sit there and I was like,
I do the reading for her. And at the end,
she said, do you know why I'm here? I said, well,
I was assuming you wanted to hear from your family,
and she said no, I was here to have you arrested.
And I was like, excuse it. She goes, yeah, she goes,
I run a grief group. She goes, and all my
grief patrons that come to the group are sharing your name,
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and one by one they were all coming to you.
She said, I needed to make sure that you were legitimate.
And I was like, and how's the rest of my
day looking? And she goes, it looks amazing. She goes,
and it's clear God gave you a beautiful ability. And
I'm very pleased that you'll be helping me with my
grief group. And I said I will, and she said, yes,
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you will, and it will be for free. And for
years after that, I would do groups at the convent
in the basement. When she let her grief groups, oh
my god. On the same day, the exact same day,
my last client, here's me telling the story and says
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to me, I think I should tell you something and
I said, no, no, no, I need to have a clean,
blank slate when I read somebody, I don't like any information.
I don't want any buyas right. And to be really honest,
I was really hungry because I don't eat when i'm
gonna read, so I just wanted to, like, now, get
through this last reading so I can go eat. And
I sit down with him and I said, I have
your dad here, and he goes, you do, and I
went I do. He goes, I'm going to need to
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use your phone, and I said why he goes because
I just had dinner with him, and if he's dead now,
oh my mom must be very upset. And I looked
at him. I was like, oh, this kind of snark
is not going to work for me when I'm hungry.
So I said, well, if it's not your dad, then
I have your father in law. He goes, I can
assure you you do not have my father in law.
And I go, why do you have dinner with him too?
And he goes, no, I'm not married. I'm And when
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he said I'm, all of a sudden, like his clothing
all went black in my mind and I saw the
collar and I went, oh, my god, you were a priest,
because that's I wanted to tell you when I heard
you tell the other story. So I read for him,
and at this at the end of the reading, he
told me the same thing. He said that same thing
his patrons, his you know, come the church, people will
come to see him, come and see me. And he
wanted to make sure that I was legit. And and
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then I looked at him and I went why today,
Like why would like, why would the universe send me
a priest and a nun on the same day with
the same purpose. And he like squarely hit me between
the eyes. He goes, because you feel like you're an
outcast and you don't have a place, and you don't
feel like you belong anymore, he goes, and I think
we're here to let you know that you could still
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do what you do, you could still help people, and
you're allowed to have your faith in God. Wow. Yeah,
And it was like I felt like the universe sent
me like not just a life preserver, but like a
life raft to get into because I guess I did
feel that way. I did feel like an outcast. I
did kind of believe that I was excommunicated, and that
brought me to a place of like, you know what
faith is free religion people pay for great.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
Oh that's very interesting. Well were you I feel the
same way?
Speaker 2 (27:01):
How old were you when this started to happen? When
you started to feel these things?
Speaker 4 (27:06):
So at fifteen was when I started.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
That's when it was fifteen, not before.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Well I had it before, but I just know what was.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
That feeling when you were a younger child. I used
to astral projector. I used to like have a lot
of out of body experiences. I knew stuff about the family.
I vividly remember sitting in the car with my mom.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
And I said, tell me the story again when you
were thirteen and you were clambing at the beach and
you cut your ankle. And she's like, yeah, that was
like blah blah blah. And she stopped and she went,
why are you asking me that? I never told you that?
How do you know that? And I went, well, clearly
you told me she was No, I didn't tell you
that she goes. I know, I didn't tell you that
I go with then somebody else how to say that?
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And she's like, no, only two other people know that
she goes, and none of them would have told you.
I was like, well, then you clearly had to tell me.
So I had a lot of those moments. I remember
being fourth grade. I got in trouble. In fourth grade.
We used to have like ten vocabular words for spelling,
and then they give you the extra credit word and
the extra credit word, and she just set it up
that where I sat in the room, the teacher was
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diagonal all the way to the left, and I was like,
all the way to the right, and the teacher gave
with the words, and then the extra credit word in
fourth grade was flem and every kid spelled it fl yeah,
and I spelled it correctly. So they asked my mom,
who was the medical professional in the family, and she said, well,
his aunt's are nurse but they don't really see each other.
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Why And she said, well, he spelled something correctly that
he should not logically have been able to spell. So
they called me into the room and they said, how
did you know that? And I said, well, she wrote
it on the board. The teacher said no, I didn't,
and my mom had a you know, do not lie
to me. It was her thing. So I'm like, oh
my god, she's going to think I lied to her.
And I was like yes, you did, and the teacher said, no, John,
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I did not, but I can tell you sitting here,
I remember seeing it on her board, so she logically
couldn't have gotten up from the desk, walked over and
like put it on the board and went back. I
wasn't thinking of that in fourth grade. I just remember going,
she said, flem. I looked up. There it was, and
I wrote down when I saw.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
We opened today talking about curiosity, you know, and searching
and seeking and trying to understand everything. And I get
that and this, I think, and everyone really can feel
the The question is how did this happen? Why? Why
do some people have this gift? Can this gift be nurtured?
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Number one? Is it frightening to have this gift?
Speaker 4 (29:46):
What if it's not a gift? What if it's just
a muscle, What if it's just an ability?
Speaker 2 (29:50):
My next question is can everyone.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Has Everybody has it? And I think people have certain
abilities that are better than others. Yes, right, yes, And
I think the gift is when we recognize it. The
gift is in the connection and the communication.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
I really believe that everyone has the ability.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
I agree, and to different degrees, they have it, right, right?
Speaker 5 (30:12):
Does it diminish with age.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
No, that hasn't not for me at least yet. Forty
years in and somebody said to me, not too long ago,
would you like to see Crossing Over in reruns? And
I went no, And they were like, why not?
Speaker 2 (30:25):
I used to watch you all the time.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
I was like, no, I would not like to see
that in reruns. I said, I don't think it's a
good representation of where I am today. I was like,
back then, it was like I got the information, I
passed it on. The person said yes, And now I
feel like I'm able to go deeper and I'm able
to look at the intersection of the client, me and
the universe and try to figure out why am I
supposed to be talking to them? What am I supposed
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to help them with? Like what's the obstacle block? Is
your lesson? And that was not something that I was
able to do on TV.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
Giving yourself the honor of being a person that can
do that, you have given your time for twenty five
years with an FBI agent. Yeah, this is a really
interesting trans I would say transition evolution if she would
call it an evolved evolution, because it's also being not
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just someone who can read the other side or bring
people in to make people feel better or learn, but
you really are helping in a whole other way, which
is answering questions that sometimes feel unanswerable to actually serve
the larger and the greater good.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
How does that feel overwhelming when you put it like that?
To be honest, you know, in the in the theme
of my life, it's always been people trying to expose me,
and that experience was no different. I did a lot
of radio. I loved radio. Radio was live. It was
nobody knew what I looked like. I could just do
my thing. They knew what they knew. My name, you know,
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stood for I know, and I couldn't be accused of
being edited because it's live radio. Random caller is calling
in h So that was like my first love, that
live interactivity. And I was on a New York City
radio station pretty frequently. It was called the Scott and
Todd Morning Show on w PLJ in New York, and
agent Robert Hilland used to hear it and get really
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angry that they were putting me on because he thought
it was not real and that it was a bit
that they were doing, and he felt like it was
not okay. So he took it upon himself to come
to me, and he was going to expose me like
the nun the priests, right, And he came under the
guise of a very real case. It was a very
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real case that he brought to me, but he brought
controlled items. So he set me up in our first
meeting and he laid out like nine evidence bags. But
he had previously gone to four different women in his
office and said, can you give me something of yours,
I'll bring it back tomorrow. And he came put the
evidence bags in front of me, and the way he
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tells as I took before evidence bags, I had nothing
to do with the case and pushed them to the
side and said, this is nothing to do with your case.
Let's focus on this. And then I began giving him
information about the missing moment that he came to me about.
And this is where for the people that are listening,
just as a teaching moment. There's something called psychometry, and
psychometry is where you can hold on to a person's
object and you could read the energy of the person.
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A quick example of that is if anybody shows someone
a photo of your family, of your party of a
vacation and you say, describe this, they can accurately describe
that photo by looking at the energy of it. Right,
It's just energy. So never give a psychic a photo
of someone who's passed or an object, because they could
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read the energy of it and it sounds like they're connecting,
but they're not. So I'm not connecting with the person
who's missing. I'm connecting with the energy of the person
to try to give information. And from that experience of
working with him, I then wound up reading for him
and his family came through happened to me in my
first reading. I wound up doing to him and he
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had to go to his family to find out what
I was saying was accurate. And then that blew his mind.
And then his very very very skeptical investigative mind and
personality said can you help me on my cases? And
I said, I don't know, but I'm intrigued. Let's try.
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And you know, we were talking about this earlier. I
didn't trust him and he didn't trust me. So the
two of us were doing this kind of like thing.
He's doing his investigative thing, I'm doing my psychic thing,
and neither one of us was sure about the other
person's intentions, and that fostered the greatest trust and we
became like brothers over the last three decades. And there's
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a lot of cases that I worked on with him.
But I say this openly. I did not work for
the FBI. This book has been vetted by the FBI.
Took over nine months to get it a proved Wow.
Yeah to OVID nine months and I solve nothing. He did.
So just like when a client comes to me who's
deeply grieving, I can't fix her heal there grief. I
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can only do what I do in the hopes that
they take that and do the work.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
So there's no quick fixes for anybody thinks like go
get a reading quick fix. Yeah, not really.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
You know it's interesting, but is he detective?
Speaker 4 (35:20):
He's an ex FBI right, who was a cop? Frost,
He was a cop.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
That's when he contacted you.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
He was a cop and then he became.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
So Yeah, And the only reason why, in my in
my estimation, the only reason he contacted you is because
he was half a believer. Because there's no world where
you would say, oh, I'll bring this random dude in
because I want to prove that he's wrong. I think
in the back of his mind was like he could.
I think I believe this, and I think he can
help me.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
I think he was like ninety five percent non believer
when I first met him and five percent hopeful, hopefully
just maybe because why would he bring you in no
leads on the case, Because yeah, he wouldn't go He
says this openly. He goes, would never go to John
on stuff where we had leads. He goes, I would
go to John when they were no leads. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Yeah. When people are so defensive and so clear against something,
it's almost like they wish they weren't meaning that they're
so curious. It's like they would protest too much.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Shakespeare and what's amazing with him is his journey in
the twenty five years from when I first met him
to who he is today. Just that story in the book,
the transformation that he goes through is kind of like
a wow. And I want people to be like reflective
of how are you chasing evil in your life and
what are you supposed to learn from kind of exploring
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the dark corners? Right, there's that explanation for him and
going on that journey there's a lot of loss. And yeah,
you know, the amount of people that are out there
doing this kind of work, meaning not the psychic work,
but like the protection of people work, the fighting for
victims and their rights and their memories. They don't have
names and faces, but they're out there doing it. Yeah,
(37:00):
and I kind of feel like this is a great
validation of those people. Yeah. I kind of feel honored
to have been like like watching from the sidelines this process. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I want to get into the book, but first I
want to there's a few other questions I have just
about You mentioned something a while back with these entities.
Is that what you call them energies, energies that essentially
are we born pure love? Meaning is every energy that
exists pure love?
Speaker 4 (37:30):
I'm going to say yes.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
So does that mean there is no dark energy?
Speaker 5 (37:36):
No?
Speaker 4 (37:36):
I think that the darkness lies in the heart of man.
You know, Like, do I believe in positive and negative?
Speaker 2 (37:40):
I do.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
Do. I believe that there's evil. I do, But I'm
less concerned about the evil and spirit because I haven't
encountered that. I'm more concerned about the evil and the
human experience because that does some serious damage. So, like
I was on TikTok live and I was doing, like,
you know, some live stuff promoting this book, and you know,
people were coming up saying, oh, dark forces, native energies,
you know, demons and all that kind of stuff, And
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I'm like, have you turned on the news, Like have
you looked at what's actually happening? I go, if you
want to see evil, like, you could see that very
very clearly, But folks like to kind of suppress that
and then point fingers at other things. And I think
that there is positive negative in the universe, and we
have to choose where we want to align our energies.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
But what about let's just say, from my hypothetical, Jeffrey
Dahmer dies, Hitler dies, what happens to their energy?
Speaker 4 (38:29):
I can only tell you based on theory, because I
haven't connected with them, of course, based upon lighter versions
of that. Yeah, like dark energies that have done negative things, Yeah,
those energies are not that any longer, but they have
to carry the weight of what it was that they did.
So we don't escape anything, right, And I believe that
the the judicial system of our world pales in comparison
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to the universal judicial system because we can't escape anything universal,
it's always got to be balanced, like the universe is
always going to balance out the equation. So if people
do negative things, they have to sit in an understanding
of what that was and what was the ripple effect.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
When you do readings and you have family members come
in who may have been an abusive father, abusive grandfather
in a stage, it happened all the time, happens, So
how do you how do you deal with that when
you are giving a reading? And do they come in
with that same vitrawl, that same dark and it's the
same anger. They don't.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
They don't. They come through with and they come through
with an understanding of who they were and what they did.
It's a very it's a very interesting session when that happens,
because the person who's sitting in front of me is
now forced to confront the reality of the experience and
then has to recognize hopefully that on a timeline, when
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you look from the moment of that person's passing back,
nothing changes, right, that's history that happened, it's the past.
It's you can't change that. It's a catalyst that makes
you who you are. But now it's the choice of
that person's gone they're not here. They can't hurt you anymore.
They can't do that thing to you. They want you
to release that, not for them, but for the person
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who's here. So and that is usually something where the
person has to work with their counsel or therapist Like
that is not.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Me, right, but I would imagine there are some cath
in that huge.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
You know, huge, right, if they're willing to go there,
people shut it down.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Oh really, don't hard?
Speaker 4 (40:34):
You know it is?
Speaker 5 (40:35):
It is hard. I think unfortunately, knowledge and more knowledge
of the sickness around the person that is inflicting pain
is is an avenue toward forgiveness. I think forgiveness is
the great aspect of love and also the great ability
to be happy. So in doing so, when you do
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confront like I did have a moment with a girlfriend
who's passed, and uh, she said some funny things that
were communicated to me. One was we laughed about her
socks and she was alive, and she made jokes about
her socks in the reading. But she also said, I
wish I'd have been nicer to my husband. It's an
example what you're saying that it was an awareness of somehow,
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but you know, interesting, pure love, pure where that soup
is that incredible area of creation that where nothing is
formed but everything comes from, where it's basically matter comes
from and everything, and in that soup, I feel like
it's just this is just me, but I feel that
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it's pure love. And when I say love, it's not
the word, it's the feeling.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
Well, when you look at people who like have had
in your death experiences, right, there's a collective word that
I've noticed they all use. And the collective word that
they use is what they felt when they were there,
and it's usually the word bliss. We talk a about
the word bliss. Nobody ever says like, hey, how are
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you doing today? I'm blissful.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
It's just a.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
It's not an earthword, right, So I've recognized that there
were earthwords and then there were other side words after
life words. So are they happy, No, they're blissful. You
know we're looking for measuring happiness here. Or do they
have remorse or regret? No, that's an earthword. They have understanding,
which is bigger and deeper, at a level that sometimes
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I feel like we can't comprehend. And the same thing,
like we have love in the way that we experience love,
and then there's love that it feels like when they're
coming through, which is what you're describing in that soup.
It's like this bright source of connection and and and energy.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
John, This is it's too good.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
It's too good.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
So there's there's so much more to talk with you about, okay,
including your new book, which is Chasing Evil, Shot Crime,
Supernatural Forces, and an FBI agent Search for Hope Injustice.
There's so much to get into that we're going to
do another. We're going to do part two because you
are that compelling, So we're going to get we're gonna
get to it all in part two
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
We wanted to do something that highlighted our.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are
a sibling.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Raivalry.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Revelry.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Kate.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Quiet, I'm trying to do an intro.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Everyone.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Everyone be quiet. I'm trying to do an intro.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
That's what I was going to say before anyone spoke,
was that we have John Edward here, who is a
world renowned medium, and he was we're lucky enough to
be graced his presence.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Kate.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Here's what I was going to say. Kate couldn't be
here because she's working. And then I was going to say,
but we have another incredible human being here who happened
to give birth to myself. Her name is Goldiehan, better
known as my mother, who's here as well.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
She's also my mother.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
And in this scenario, you weren't here yet, right, Remember that?
Speaker 5 (01:25):
When did you ever stake to your script? Is what
I want to know.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Never I stick to ideas, and then the ideas are less.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
And right feeling the revelry. I'm feeling it.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
You're feeling the feel But you know, look, we've grown
up with the psychics and medium's mom has been extremely
involved in this. Then of course myself and my sister
are as well. I've consulted oracles of you know, should
I do this job or not. I'm like, Mom, call somebody.
(01:57):
I don't know if I should do this gig or not.
You know, Mom's like, okay, hold on, speed dove, speed dove, speeded.
So I wanted to bring Mommy into I know.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
I'm yeah, this.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Is John for a long long time.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
I mean really really happy it meets to John. I'm excited.
And all the amazing work that you have done over
these years and literally you know, we're brought in with
a gift and how you've used it as extraordinary. So
you've helped a lot of people. And I know that
when you were born and you were a little boy
and you were having all of these visions and things,
(02:33):
I mean looking at it as a kind of a
game for you, you know a little did you know at
that time the impression that you're going to have on
so many people. So anyway, it's a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Well, thank you yeah, let's start there. Where did you
grow up?
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I grew up on Long Island, a small town called Glencoe.
My dad Irish American New York City police officer, career,
military guy. Wow. Mom very Italian, one of eleven. My
grandmother was very into this subject matter, so therefore her
children were open to the subject matter. My dad was not,
(03:08):
So there was a polar opposite of belief. And my
dad's rule was make sure my son is never around
any of that bs, and my mom made sure that
I was kept away from it. They wound up divorcing.
We moved into my grandmother's house, which I always jokingly
referred to as the paranormal hub of activity. But I
had adopted my dad's philosophy that this wasn't real. So
(03:28):
I used to make fun of all the people that
came to my grandmother's house to do readings until I
met one woman who read for me, and she was
the woman who put me on my path. And I
was fifteen, and she told me that I would change
the way millions of people looked at her subject matter.
And I want to emphasize again, I was fifteen, and
she sounded like she was batshit crazy. And I was like, Okay,
(03:52):
this woman is delusional. But everything she told me happened,
and she told me things that this is no way possible.
She could have like I would have had to tell
her these things, and then she would have had to
know the people that I was connected to. And then
she gave me scenarios and outcomes that were not logical,
and then they happened. And that got my attention. And
I say very openly that I didn't go, oh my god,
(04:12):
she told me that I was psychic, I'm gonna go
do readings. I actually felt violated. I felt like this
woman walked around my life. I didn't like it, and
I wanted to know, well, if people can do this,
like if this, like if was real, how do I
stop how do I stop other people from like doing
like what if people can just like do that? And
that sent me to the public library where I read
every book in nineteen eighty five that was on the
(04:34):
shelf at that time was under the occult section. And
at that moment, I was like, well, this is not psychic.
This is common sense. Like we all have these moments
of like seeing your dead grandfather. And I would ask
people like at school haven't you ever seen a dead grandfather?
And the responses were normally no, like you've never ever
(04:55):
just hypothetically got a glimpse of somebody in your family
that was dead, and they were like, I can't say
that I had. So I kind of realized that, Okay,
so maybe some of my earlier experiences had to be reframed.
And that became a journey of analyzing what I experienced,
what I see here and feel, how do I perceive things?
(05:16):
And then I just dove headfirst and within a year
I was doing ratings at sixteen. Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
So going back just a little bit, when you had
when you're growing up in such a polarizing family where
you have the Irish cop and the Italian mom, which
is just so amazing, by the way, I mean, there's
like a sitcom there, I think, I know, but the
it was almost like you strangely had the best of
both worlds in that you had this ability, but there
(05:44):
was also skepticism.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
In a way for me, they both they they were
a catalyst of how I viewed the subject matter because
I think that inherently I'm an analytical, logical person. I
like information, and I was the kid that was thrown
out of religious instructions at least three times because I
asked questions that were deemed inappropriate and at one point blasphemous.
(06:07):
And I say this openly. I wasn't trying to be
a disruptive kid. Things just didn't make sense. Like when
people would say things, I'd be like, wait, wait, but
how come and why? And I was taught, well, you're
not supposed to question that. You're supposed to just believe that.
You're just supposed to know that and that's what we believe.
And I was like, yeah, well that's not working for me,
(06:28):
like because the one one is not adding up to
be five for me, like I know it to be too,
So where are the other three that you're getting five from?
And people couldn't like address those things. So there were
those moments, and I think what I always want people
to be is a seeker. Is if we're being a seeker,
that leads to us exploring, and if we have exploration,
(06:50):
that can lead to discovery. Once you have discovery, that
raises your awareness and once your awareness is raised to something,
now you can put that into action. That's been my
life and it's always like ooh, I want to learn more.
I want to know more, and I am inquisitive by
nature as well. So you put all this together and
I became almost insatiable with information. I was like, I
(07:12):
want to learn more about astrology. I want to know
about neurology, I want to lear about psychometry, all of
these things that were like tools of divination, not to predict,
but to kind of learn how we can live a
better life.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
So interesting because I have the question and wonder how
what is going on? What is going on in your mind?
What happens when you're seeing things and you don't know why?
And I think, having had some mysel excuse me, I'm
looking at that, and I am so curious about that
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very thing. What is happening? Why is it? Then when
you go to sleep and you have a dream about
your father who's long gone, and he's telling you everything's
going to be okay, and you're sitting on a mountaintop
and it feels so real, and then you wake up
the next morning and you feel like you've been blessed.
What is that?
Speaker 4 (08:03):
That's a visit? Right, that's a visit. It's a visit.
That's a visit. That's a difference. There's a difference between
a visit and a dream. Dreams fade and dreams of
this like amalgamation of what like kind of comes together
in our unconscious mind with like life and fears and thoughts,
and but a visit is where they're coming through directly
to you and they're going to let you know that
it's them, and it's usually positive and very vivid. They
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sometimes look vibrant or young, and there could be little
nuggets of information about your future to validate that it
was really them. But when you wake up, you won't
forget it. You could have had it fifty years ago exactly,
remember it like it was five minutes ago, because it
was an encounter. It was a real meeting.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
So I guess the other question is is because speaking
to the other side and having that experience and being
correct about the things that particularly the people from the
over and you know, the other side are saying to
me and it cannot be disputed period, you also wonder
how did that person know that or the channel? And
(09:01):
but my other bigger question is that I'm filled with
so much love when I'm talking to someone on the
other side from a facilitator like that, what are they feeling?
Do they have emotions? Where are these entities? What do
they feel like? Because when Daddy says to me, you know,
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make sure you you know, put away the butter. You
know that was something you always told me. No one
knows that. But what did daddy feel?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
You know?
Speaker 5 (09:32):
When my mom came to me and said things to
me about the laughs we had and sofas in the car.
My point is, I would like to know that they're
in some form that is real. So when you're doing
this and you see the people, you hear them, they're
speaking to you, you're sharing. What do you think they're feeling?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Well, I guess the idea is consciousness, Like what is consciousness?
When we die, our consciousness die.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
So I think that they're more real than we are.
I think the vibration and the frequency that they operate
on is a more real dimension of the essence of
who we truly are, and that here in the physical form,
we're lowering our vibration and we're now playing a role. Right.
You guys are amazing actors, and you've been in so
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many different things, but at the core, you're you. But
you played roles, not the roles you played. However, each
role you played contributes to who you are and your
body of work. So if our soul is the actor
and the lifetimes that we've been in are the roles,
we're an amalgamation of all of that. And then that
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tapestry we've all been a part of. You have been
probably in multiple lives and multiple incarnations, and now it
just reinforces what your relationship dynamic is, and that's love, right.
The pure essence of who they feel like is coming
from a place of love, and that's what they want
to convey. So I always want people to know that
they're okay, we're not They're they're doing all right, and
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they're they're still with us. And when they come through,
they're going to come through with like regular, everyday, trivial,
mundane things, things that are not groundbreaking or earth shattering,
but stuff to say, hey, I know that you did that,
and by the way, I was with you when you
did that exactly.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
I mean, I don't want to go into stuff in
my life, but truly it's what it is. But I
wanted to say and have thank you so much for
being here, I miss you so much, and so forth.
But these are very human sort of longings and emotion.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
They don't have that. Now that's a reason. That's what
I wanted to get at. That is really important. Many
people will say, well do they miss me? And I
have to be honest and be like not really, and
they go, what do you mean they don't miss me?
And I'm like, well, they still have us. We miss
what we don't have physically, but they're still participants in
our lives, so they don't miss it because they're with us.
(11:59):
They're still Cannet. And I always want people to include them,
like people include them in the negative times, but they
don't always include them in the positive times. So I'm like,
always be fifty percent of the equation. When it's a
you know, a boring day. It's like on my Instagram
feed one day, I was like, you know what, there's
nothing going on in my mom's past, Like there's no
birthdays and no adversaries. I posted a photo of her
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and me when I was a little boy, and I
just put it up as a as a post just
to honor my mom. And I thought about it after
the fact and I was like, you know, she's probably
like in the other side, going look, look, look, my
son just posted something on earthogram. You know, look, look,
and there's no there's no reason for me to have
done it, but just to include her and honor her
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in a way that I was feeling it.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Yes, because we're human and we had these emotions. But
when you talk about they, which is I guess a
conglomertive energies. I suppose I think.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
We have different days too, right, So we have the
day that we're related to in the physical world, right,
that become our family that we're connecting with, And then
we have the day that are our teachers. Because I
believe that we all have a spirit team, like spirit
gods that are here to guide us and help us
and give us insights, and I think it's important to
plug into them as well. So if I'm doing a
reading for someone and I feel like the information is
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coming from above me, so imagine you're in the shower, right,
and the water's coming from above the shower head. It
is coming this way, that's coming from my guides. I
trust that I've been working them forever. If I'm reading
for you and I'm connecting with somebody that is your family,
that information comes from around you, it feels different to me,
So I can tell where the information is coming from.
But ultimately, to go back to the original question, how
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does it come through? Whatever I see here and feel
And it's very cryptic, and it's kind of like sign language,
so it's not a open conversation. There's no physical body.
They can't make sound right, so it's got to be
an energetic form of communication. So they download information and
then the individual who's receiving it, whether it's me or you,
you're going to receive it in your frame of reference,
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which is why I'll always tell people I don't think
anybody shol should read dream books unless you wrote it,
because you're dreaming in your own symbolism, and you have
to figure out what your dream means for you. So
we were both going to get a message from somebody
in this room. And they showed you and apple, and
they showed you and apple, and they showed me an apple.
We're probably gonna have three different definitions of what that
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apple means to us.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Did you have to learn that language or was it all?
Did it come to you immediately?
Speaker 4 (14:33):
I got a lot through movies and TV, believe it
or not. Really, Yeah, a lot of my symbolism would
come through movies, and TV. I would see scenes of
things and I'd be like, well, that scene reminds me
of this, and then I would say that and then
they'd be like, yeah, it's exactly what happened. And I
was like, Okay, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Were you a movie guy a TV guy growing up?
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Well, I used to manage a video store, so let's
just say that it came in really handing.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Wow. So do you think though, that these entities sort
of use this part of who you are to communicate?
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Meaning do I think that they I feel like not
to date myself, but I feel like my brain is
like the Dewey decimal system, right, And it's kind of
like like the Dewey decimal system, you know, it's like
how do you go for the young people that would
be Google, But it's like you would kind of like
look to see where how do I get in to
say that, yeah, help show them this, you know. It's
like playing pictionary, spirits or charades with the afterlife. And
(15:22):
then I'm sure there's a lot of times that they
must be like, dude, like it's just a it's just
a blue hat, Just say the blue hat, right, Like
what are you going for the team for it just
say the blue hat. Yeah. One time I did reading
for a woman and her husband passed, and her husband
was coming through and throughout the entire reading, so you know,
like when you're watching a television, they have a little
logo of the network that you're watching. So the entire
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time I'm reading for her, I'm seeing like a bell.
But I don't say that. Oh No. I started talking
about Philadelphia because I thought liberty bell mm hmm, and
she goes, I have any ties to Philadelphia? I'm like,
what about like colonial America? Do you have any type
of like I take this woman down a rabbit hole
of like flag making, what about taco bell? So the
(16:10):
point that the woman literally says to me, are you
sure that's my husband? And I went, now, ninety nine
percent of this information is all validated. I just can't
figure this out. So go man, Because I can't figure
out what this bell means, you're gonna like disregard everything else.
She had such a reaction to the bell part, like
a physical and emotional reaction. I was like, oh, what
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does the bell mean? When she composed herself, she said,
my husband's on a business trip. When he came back,
we had a great weekend. Monday morning came and he
was getting ready to go to work. He opened up
his attache case briefcase. He had brought her back a
bell from his last business trip, and he went to
her night table and said, honey, if you ever need me,
just ring this and I'll come running. Left it on
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the night table. Oh, left and got into a car
accident and died. It was the last thing I said
to her. Where do I go to Philadelphia?
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Flags, Yeah, talking about Dolly Madison ice cream like you
name it, and this I was probably like, dude.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
What do you just.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
So I am going to say everything I'm seeing, hearing,
and feeling, I'm going to interpret it as to what
it means for me, and then I'm going to acknowledge
the fact that I could be wrong right. And I
think that's what my style of teaching about the subject
matter has been. And that's because at fifteen sixteen, when
I came into this work and I met people who
were doing this that were forty and fifty and sixty
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years old and they had years doing it. They kind
of made me feel like they were here and I
was here, and they were unapproachable, like and like untouchable,
and I was like, you know what, I don't like
the way they read. I don't like the fact that
they're making it seem like we know all and the
client can't be a part of this. And they made
it so that I was going to be inclusive and
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teach about what I was experiencing, because ultimately, it's not
about the medium. It is about the client. And if
it's about the client, then my job should be to
get you to recognize that you don't need me. Nobody
needs the medium. What they need is an understanding in
the philosophy that they can make these connections, and all
the medium should be doing is validating what we believe
already to be true.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Amazing Kate there.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Yes, I'm here, and I've been like biting my no.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I want you to come in. I know it's hard
to break in when you're you know, getting glam done.
But why don't you.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Well, I have so many questions, but I I you know,
I experience a lot of sche like a lot of this.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Kay. Do you remember meeting me on the zoom Yes? Okay,
So that was a really pivotal night for me because
that was at the beginning of the COVID pandemic and
you guys, you guys are all having that like cool
group FaceTime zoomy thing that was happening every night, and
folks were bringing like show and tell people to the groups,
and Kim Gridad was like, Hey, would you come do this?
(19:01):
And I said, I don't know if I could do that,
but I'll try. And you were amazing. That was an
amazing night. So thank you for being so gracious and
helping to make me feel comfortable, because you you definitely did.
Because I was a little blown away by the amount
of people that were on that and the caliber of
people that were on Yeah, I was like, you know,
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I don't really have a poker face, so I was like,
I was looking at the screens and I was.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Like, it was an interesting group, yes, But I guess
I wonder, like I wonder about how you hear I
have I have experiences where I hear dialogue, and I
wonder if you like, I know everybody has a different
way of accessing, but do you ever actually like, does
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it download as dialogue ever?
Speaker 4 (19:51):
For you? So it downloads us thoughts, So you're saying dialogue,
I'm going to say thoughts. So I'll have these thoughts
that kind of come in my head, and then I
will go to the analytical part of it to try
to figure out, like, Okay, what does that mean? Where
am I getting this from? How do I say this?
So whatever I see here and feel? And for the
people that are listening, when you guys, if you if
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you ever ever read something and then you had to
go back and reread something because you had another thought
that came in and you were like, exactly, every's But
that's a reading, right, That's what a reading feels like.
I'm focusing. I'm focusing on one thing and then I'm
paying attention to the other part of that which comes in.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
So when you do you think it's inherited.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Yes, it's definitely inherited, you do, It's absolutely inherited.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
An Italian, your Italian side, I mean, I mean, I'm wondering,
like if Italians seem to have quite a history of
psychic and well.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
There's a lot of superstition that goes on that side
of the family, you know, when you got to talk
about the malochia and who overlooked you and the bad
energy and what do you do to get rid of it?
And prayer and when your grandmother has a you know,
a nightstand, a night table, that bureau that's got better
saints than the church. You know, you grow up with
this like faith based, superstitious, anything's possible. Yes, your grandfather
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was sitting at the dining room table, that's who you
saw kind.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Of vibe wow, right, how did how did you square?
Or how did both questions? How did your how did
your mother square? Catholicism?
Speaker 4 (21:26):
And so my mom was not a church goer. She
was not, No, she was the you have to go
to church. And I'd be like, well, why do I
have to go to church? You're not going to church?
And then I got to do as I say, not
as I do. Speech. Yeah, so my grandmother dragged me
to church pretty much every day until I went to
first grade.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
On your dad's side, my mom's side, your mom's side,
So your mom was not a church goer, not a churchgoer, no,
and your but your dad was Catholic yep. And so
how did that work with he was.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Very vested and you know, if you want to call
it psychic phenomenon and so forth. So probably that's something
that the church was look a little bit down.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
That's what I'm saying, how do you how would they
square religion?
Speaker 4 (22:04):
And so when my mom and dad divorced, I remember
we were at a family wedding or something, and my
mom sat in the back row of the church, away
from everybody else in the family. And my mom was
a little bit of a you know, she was a
moody kan serrian. I'll leave it at that. So I
thought she was making a choice to sit back there.
And then I said, come come sit with us, and
she was like no. And then after the fact, I
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said why wouldn't you come sit with us and she said, well,
because I'm a divorced woman, I'm basically excommunicated as a Catholic.
And I was like, would you get a letter from Rome.
I'm like, come say with your family, and she said no, no, no.
So I grew up in the family that was if
you missed Mass and didn't go to confession, you couldn't
say an act of contrition and receive It was like, no, no,
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you have to go to confession type of thing. So
even though she didn't really go, she still believed in
what the rules were. And therefore I thought that because
of what I did, then I too was sitting in
the back pew of the church. And then on one
day I got an appointment where at two o'clock. My
appointment said Francis. And when I opened the door, there
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was a nun there and it was sister Francesca. And
I said, can I help you? And she said are
you John? And I said I am. She goes, I'm
your two o'clock and I went, oh, okay, come on in.
You know, I'm my grandmother. Now super Catholic is like
a nun is coming to see her right, And I
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bring her upstairs and she goes into the room that
I'm going to read in, and I said, I'll be
right with you. And then I went into the other
room when I called my girlfriend, which is not my wife,
and I was like, there's a nun here, and she's like,
why I went for a reading? And she goes, then
why are you calling me? Because like I'm distracted. She's like,
why are you distracted? Is she topless? I was like, Sidra,
(23:54):
She's like full on in her nun the habit and whatever.
She's like, John, I am working. She's like, go read
the nun. Yeah, I compose myself.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I go back in the room next book.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
I sit there. I sit there and I was like,
I do the reading for her. And at the end,
she said, do you know why I'm here? I said, well,
I was assuming you wanted to hear from your family,
and she said no, I was here to have you arrested.
And I was like, excuse it. She goes, yeah, she goes,
I run a grief group. She goes, and all my
grief patrons that come to the group are sharing your name,
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and one by one they were all coming to you.
She said, I needed to make sure that you were legitimate.
And I was like, and how's the rest of my
day looking? And she goes, it looks amazing. She goes,
and it's clear God gave you a beautiful ability. And
I'm very pleased that you'll be helping me with my
grief group. And I said I will, and she said, yes,
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you will, and it will be for free. And for
years after that, I would do groups at the convent
in the basement. When she let her grief groups, oh
my god. On the same day, the exact same day,
my last client, here's me telling the story and says
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to me, I think I should tell you something and
I said, no, no, no, I need to have a clean,
blank slate when I read somebody, I don't like any information.
I don't want any buyas right. And to be really honest,
I was really hungry because I don't eat when i'm
gonna read, so I just wanted to, like, now, get
through this last reading so I can go eat. And
I sit down with him and I said, I have
your dad here, and he goes, you do, and I
went I do. He goes, I'm going to need to
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use your phone, and I said why he goes because
I just had dinner with him, and if he's dead now,
oh my mom must be very upset. And I looked
at him. I was like, oh, this kind of snark
is not going to work for me when I'm hungry.
So I said, well, if it's not your dad, then
I have your father in law. He goes, I can
assure you you do not have my father in law.
And I go, why do you have dinner with him too?
And he goes, no, I'm not married. I'm And when
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he said I'm, all of a sudden, like his clothing
all went black in my mind and I saw the
collar and I went, oh, my god, you were a priest,
because that's I wanted to tell you when I heard
you tell the other story. So I read for him,
and at this at the end of the reading, he
told me the same thing. He said that same thing
his patrons, his you know, come the church, people will
come to see him, come and see me. And he
wanted to make sure that I was legit. And and
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then I looked at him and I went why today,
Like why would like, why would the universe send me
a priest and a nun on the same day with
the same purpose. And he like squarely hit me between
the eyes. He goes, because you feel like you're an
outcast and you don't have a place, and you don't
feel like you belong anymore, he goes, and I think
we're here to let you know that you could still
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do what you do, you could still help people, and
you're allowed to have your faith in God. Wow. Yeah,
And it was like I felt like the universe sent
me like not just a life preserver, but like a
life raft to get into because I guess I did
feel that way. I did feel like an outcast. I
did kind of believe that I was excommunicated, and that
brought me to a place of like, you know what
faith is free religion people pay for great.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
Oh that's very interesting. Well were you I feel the
same way?
Speaker 2 (27:01):
How old were you when this started to happen? When
you started to feel these things?
Speaker 4 (27:06):
So at fifteen was when I started.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
That's when it was fifteen, not before.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Well I had it before, but I just know what was.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
That feeling when you were a younger child. I used
to astral projector. I used to like have a lot
of out of body experiences. I knew stuff about the family.
I vividly remember sitting in the car with my mom.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
And I said, tell me the story again when you
were thirteen and you were clambing at the beach and
you cut your ankle. And she's like, yeah, that was
like blah blah blah. And she stopped and she went,
why are you asking me that? I never told you that?
How do you know that? And I went, well, clearly
you told me she was No, I didn't tell you
that she goes. I know, I didn't tell you that
I go with then somebody else how to say that?
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And she's like, no, only two other people know that
she goes, and none of them would have told you.
I was like, well, then you clearly had to tell me.
So I had a lot of those moments. I remember
being fourth grade. I got in trouble. In fourth grade.
We used to have like ten vocabular words for spelling,
and then they give you the extra credit word and
the extra credit word, and she just set it up
that where I sat in the room, the teacher was
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diagonal all the way to the left, and I was like,
all the way to the right, and the teacher gave
with the words, and then the extra credit word in
fourth grade was flem and every kid spelled it fl yeah,
and I spelled it correctly. So they asked my mom,
who was the medical professional in the family, and she said, well,
his aunt's are nurse but they don't really see each other.
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Why And she said, well, he spelled something correctly that
he should not logically have been able to spell. So
they called me into the room and they said, how
did you know that? And I said, well, she wrote
it on the board. The teacher said no, I didn't,
and my mom had a you know, do not lie
to me. It was her thing. So I'm like, oh
my god, she's going to think I lied to her.
And I was like yes, you did, and the teacher said, no, John,
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I did not, but I can tell you sitting here,
I remember seeing it on her board, so she logically
couldn't have gotten up from the desk, walked over and
like put it on the board and went back. I
wasn't thinking of that in fourth grade. I just remember going,
she said, flem. I looked up. There it was, and
I wrote down when I saw.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
We opened today talking about curiosity, you know, and searching
and seeking and trying to understand everything. And I get
that and this, I think, and everyone really can feel
the The question is how did this happen? Why? Why
do some people have this gift? Can this gift be nurtured?
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Number one? Is it frightening to have this gift?
Speaker 4 (29:46):
What if it's not a gift? What if it's just
a muscle, What if it's just an ability?
Speaker 2 (29:50):
My next question is can everyone.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Has Everybody has it? And I think people have certain
abilities that are better than others. Yes, right, yes, And
I think the gift is when we recognize it. The
gift is in the connection and the communication.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
I really believe that everyone has the ability.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
I agree, and to different degrees, they have it, right, right?
Speaker 5 (30:12):
Does it diminish with age.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
No, that hasn't not for me at least yet. Forty
years in and somebody said to me, not too long ago,
would you like to see Crossing Over in reruns? And
I went no, And they were like, why not?
Speaker 2 (30:25):
I used to watch you all the time.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
I was like, no, I would not like to see
that in reruns. I said, I don't think it's a
good representation of where I am today. I was like,
back then, it was like I got the information, I
passed it on. The person said yes, And now I
feel like I'm able to go deeper and I'm able
to look at the intersection of the client, me and
the universe and try to figure out why am I
supposed to be talking to them? What am I supposed
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to help them with? Like what's the obstacle block? Is
your lesson? And that was not something that I was
able to do on TV.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
Giving yourself the honor of being a person that can
do that, you have given your time for twenty five
years with an FBI agent. Yeah, this is a really
interesting trans I would say transition evolution if she would
call it an evolved evolution, because it's also being not
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just someone who can read the other side or bring
people in to make people feel better or learn, but
you really are helping in a whole other way, which
is answering questions that sometimes feel unanswerable to actually serve
the larger and the greater good.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
How does that feel overwhelming when you put it like that?
To be honest, you know, in the in the theme
of my life, it's always been people trying to expose me,
and that experience was no different. I did a lot
of radio. I loved radio. Radio was live. It was
nobody knew what I looked like. I could just do
my thing. They knew what they knew. My name, you know,
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stood for I know, and I couldn't be accused of
being edited because it's live radio. Random caller is calling
in h So that was like my first love, that
live interactivity. And I was on a New York City
radio station pretty frequently. It was called the Scott and
Todd Morning Show on w PLJ in New York, and
agent Robert Hilland used to hear it and get really
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angry that they were putting me on because he thought
it was not real and that it was a bit
that they were doing, and he felt like it was
not okay. So he took it upon himself to come
to me, and he was going to expose me like
the nun the priests, right, And he came under the
guise of a very real case. It was a very
(32:38):
real case that he brought to me, but he brought
controlled items. So he set me up in our first
meeting and he laid out like nine evidence bags. But
he had previously gone to four different women in his
office and said, can you give me something of yours,
I'll bring it back tomorrow. And he came put the
evidence bags in front of me, and the way he
(32:59):
tells as I took before evidence bags, I had nothing
to do with the case and pushed them to the
side and said, this is nothing to do with your case.
Let's focus on this. And then I began giving him
information about the missing moment that he came to me about.
And this is where for the people that are listening,
just as a teaching moment. There's something called psychometry, and
psychometry is where you can hold on to a person's
object and you could read the energy of the person.
(33:21):
A quick example of that is if anybody shows someone
a photo of your family, of your party of a
vacation and you say, describe this, they can accurately describe
that photo by looking at the energy of it. Right,
It's just energy. So never give a psychic a photo
of someone who's passed or an object, because they could
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read the energy of it and it sounds like they're connecting,
but they're not. So I'm not connecting with the person
who's missing. I'm connecting with the energy of the person
to try to give information. And from that experience of
working with him, I then wound up reading for him
and his family came through happened to me in my
first reading. I wound up doing to him and he
(34:04):
had to go to his family to find out what
I was saying was accurate. And then that blew his mind.
And then his very very very skeptical investigative mind and
personality said can you help me on my cases? And
I said, I don't know, but I'm intrigued. Let's try.
(34:27):
And you know, we were talking about this earlier. I
didn't trust him and he didn't trust me. So the
two of us were doing this kind of like thing.
He's doing his investigative thing, I'm doing my psychic thing,
and neither one of us was sure about the other
person's intentions, and that fostered the greatest trust and we
became like brothers over the last three decades. And there's
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a lot of cases that I worked on with him.
But I say this openly. I did not work for
the FBI. This book has been vetted by the FBI.
Took over nine months to get it a proved Wow.
Yeah to OVID nine months and I solve nothing. He did.
So just like when a client comes to me who's
deeply grieving, I can't fix her heal there grief. I
(35:10):
can only do what I do in the hopes that
they take that and do the work.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
So there's no quick fixes for anybody thinks like go
get a reading quick fix. Yeah, not really.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
You know it's interesting, but is he detective?
Speaker 4 (35:20):
He's an ex FBI right, who was a cop? Frost,
He was a cop.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
That's when he contacted you.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
He was a cop and then he became.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
So Yeah, And the only reason why, in my in
my estimation, the only reason he contacted you is because
he was half a believer. Because there's no world where
you would say, oh, I'll bring this random dude in
because I want to prove that he's wrong. I think
in the back of his mind was like he could.
I think I believe this, and I think he can
help me.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
I think he was like ninety five percent non believer
when I first met him and five percent hopeful, hopefully
just maybe because why would he bring you in no
leads on the case, Because yeah, he wouldn't go He
says this openly. He goes, would never go to John
on stuff where we had leads. He goes, I would
go to John when they were no leads. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Yeah. When people are so defensive and so clear against something,
it's almost like they wish they weren't meaning that they're
so curious. It's like they would protest too much.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Shakespeare and what's amazing with him is his journey in
the twenty five years from when I first met him
to who he is today. Just that story in the book,
the transformation that he goes through is kind of like
a wow. And I want people to be like reflective
of how are you chasing evil in your life and
what are you supposed to learn from kind of exploring
(36:38):
the dark corners? Right, there's that explanation for him and
going on that journey there's a lot of loss. And yeah,
you know, the amount of people that are out there
doing this kind of work, meaning not the psychic work,
but like the protection of people work, the fighting for
victims and their rights and their memories. They don't have
names and faces, but they're out there doing it. Yeah,
(37:00):
and I kind of feel like this is a great
validation of those people. Yeah. I kind of feel honored
to have been like like watching from the sidelines this process. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I want to get into the book, but first I
want to there's a few other questions I have just
about You mentioned something a while back with these entities.
Is that what you call them energies, energies that essentially
are we born pure love? Meaning is every energy that
exists pure love?
Speaker 4 (37:30):
I'm going to say yes.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
So does that mean there is no dark energy?
Speaker 5 (37:36):
No?
Speaker 4 (37:36):
I think that the darkness lies in the heart of man.
You know, Like, do I believe in positive and negative?
Speaker 2 (37:40):
I do.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
Do. I believe that there's evil. I do, But I'm
less concerned about the evil and spirit because I haven't
encountered that. I'm more concerned about the evil and the
human experience because that does some serious damage. So, like
I was on TikTok live and I was doing, like,
you know, some live stuff promoting this book, and you know,
people were coming up saying, oh, dark forces, native energies,
you know, demons and all that kind of stuff, And
(38:02):
I'm like, have you turned on the news, Like have
you looked at what's actually happening? I go, if you
want to see evil, like, you could see that very
very clearly, But folks like to kind of suppress that
and then point fingers at other things. And I think
that there is positive negative in the universe, and we
have to choose where we want to align our energies.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
But what about let's just say, from my hypothetical, Jeffrey
Dahmer dies, Hitler dies, what happens to their energy?
Speaker 4 (38:29):
I can only tell you based on theory, because I
haven't connected with them, of course, based upon lighter versions
of that. Yeah, like dark energies that have done negative things, Yeah,
those energies are not that any longer, but they have
to carry the weight of what it was that they did.
So we don't escape anything, right, And I believe that
the the judicial system of our world pales in comparison
(38:54):
to the universal judicial system because we can't escape anything universal,
it's always got to be balanced, like the universe is
always going to balance out the equation. So if people
do negative things, they have to sit in an understanding
of what that was and what was the ripple effect.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
When you do readings and you have family members come
in who may have been an abusive father, abusive grandfather
in a stage, it happened all the time, happens, So
how do you how do you deal with that when
you are giving a reading? And do they come in
with that same vitrawl, that same dark and it's the
same anger. They don't.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
They don't. They come through with and they come through
with an understanding of who they were and what they did.
It's a very it's a very interesting session when that happens,
because the person who's sitting in front of me is
now forced to confront the reality of the experience and
then has to recognize hopefully that on a timeline, when
(39:53):
you look from the moment of that person's passing back,
nothing changes, right, that's history that happened, it's the past.
It's you can't change that. It's a catalyst that makes
you who you are. But now it's the choice of
that person's gone they're not here. They can't hurt you anymore.
They can't do that thing to you. They want you
to release that, not for them, but for the person
(40:16):
who's here. So and that is usually something where the
person has to work with their counsel or therapist Like
that is not.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Me, right, but I would imagine there are some cath
in that huge.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
You know, huge, right, if they're willing to go there,
people shut it down.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Oh really, don't hard?
Speaker 4 (40:34):
You know it is?
Speaker 5 (40:35):
It is hard. I think unfortunately, knowledge and more knowledge
of the sickness around the person that is inflicting pain
is is an avenue toward forgiveness. I think forgiveness is
the great aspect of love and also the great ability
to be happy. So in doing so, when you do
(40:55):
confront like I did have a moment with a girlfriend
who's passed, and uh, she said some funny things that
were communicated to me. One was we laughed about her
socks and she was alive, and she made jokes about
her socks in the reading. But she also said, I
wish I'd have been nicer to my husband. It's an
example what you're saying that it was an awareness of somehow,
(41:20):
but you know, interesting, pure love, pure where that soup
is that incredible area of creation that where nothing is
formed but everything comes from, where it's basically matter comes
from and everything, and in that soup, I feel like
it's just this is just me, but I feel that
(41:40):
it's pure love. And when I say love, it's not
the word, it's the feeling.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
Well, when you look at people who like have had
in your death experiences, right, there's a collective word that
I've noticed they all use. And the collective word that
they use is what they felt when they were there,
and it's usually the word bliss. We talk a about
the word bliss. Nobody ever says like, hey, how are
(42:07):
you doing today? I'm blissful.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
It's just a.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
It's not an earthword, right, So I've recognized that there
were earthwords and then there were other side words after
life words. So are they happy, No, they're blissful. You
know we're looking for measuring happiness here. Or do they
have remorse or regret? No, that's an earthword. They have understanding,
which is bigger and deeper, at a level that sometimes
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I feel like we can't comprehend. And the same thing,
like we have love in the way that we experience love,
and then there's love that it feels like when they're
coming through, which is what you're describing in that soup.
It's like this bright source of connection and and and energy.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
John, This is it's too good.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
It's too good.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
So there's there's so much more to talk with you about, okay,
including your new book, which is Chasing Evil, Shot Crime,
Supernatural Forces, and an FBI agent Search for Hope Injustice.
There's so much to get into that we're going to
do another. We're going to do part two because you
are that compelling, So we're going to get we're gonna
get to it all in part two
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