May 12, 2025 • 58 mins
Grab your rosé and kick back with Kate as she catches up with her sisters-in-law for a special Mother's Day revelry!
Wyatt's wife, Meredith and Oliver's wife, Erinn spill some serious Hudson/Russell family secrets.
Plus, hear why their parenting practices are TOTALLY different!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hi. I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.
We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationships and
what it's like to be siblings.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
We are a sibling raivalry.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth, Vely,
that's good. Hi you guys. Happy Mother's Day.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Podcast, Happy podcast mothers.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I'm so excited that I get to talk to my
sister in laws for our me too. Oliver is on
his boat fishing, surprise, surprise, and I get to have
these girls, gorgeous ladies. Favor little trio you get.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
I know we're a trio. We get, we get you.
The listeners get Aaron, who is my maybe my therapist.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Oh god, that's all that's a disaster. I'm so sure
that you're good. I'm Aaron's the best listener, right, don't
you think you're like the perfect listener?
Speaker 5 (01:27):
Definitely a good listener. I feel like I'm kind of
everybody's go to therapists.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, you listen and you and you don't like fix,
meaning like you're not interested in like, okay, this is
I'm I have to like fix that. I'm a little
bit of a fixer.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Though, you think at least always said don't try and
fix it, just listen. I feel like I can be
if somebody wants it, maybe if they don't want interesting,
but you're.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Always positive about it, like it's like okay.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
Like I could be like, I have a rash that's
gone from my scalp to my vagina, and Aaron's like, okay,
we're to figure this out, like you're terrible rash, very
like okay, I haven't actually had that, but I'm just
a mephorical example of an emotional rash. Like you would
be like, okay, we've got this one thousand percent.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Okay. It's always we're always fixing.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
I'm very good at helping others, not really maybe taking
my own personal advice.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
No, that's true. I always feel like it's like with Aaron,
it's it's like soothing. Yeah, it's like the South, very neutral.
I see both sides.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
I'm very much uh okay, well let's look at it
from their point of view.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
And I'm like no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
This one over here with her opinions. I wish I
had strong hands like that.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
The other day, you were like such a cheerleader for me,
and I was like shacked up off it.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
I was, God, I know, I'm.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Her mo speed. I was like, I was like my dad.
I was like paw and miracle. I was like, it's
your speech. It's come to me for the calming speech.
Come to cap for the fucking what do you come
to me for about Yes to feet, like, yeah, you're
(03:24):
a cheerleader, the best cheerleader, You're the always you. You
always make me feel like I've contributed enough, meaning like that,
like I like you make me. You remind me that
I have made some contribution in the world, like when
I need to feel that, you know what it's like.
(03:45):
It's like it's like in soap Dish when Whoopy Goldberg
takes Sally Field to the mall because she's feeling down,
and she takes you to the mall, and it's like,
you know, just so she can get noticed. That's how
I feel like I always doing done. You'd be like,
come on, we're going to the mall. We're not shopping.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
God shit, babe, deal with it.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
I feel like Mayor the mall is very positive and
girl like supportive vibes always best compliments, like you feel
like a million dollars.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
As people, so like I will shout it from the.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Also, I feel like I feel like mayor you there's
like Aaron, you feel like it's very soothing and like okay, right,
like you're like Switzerland, definitely, you know where is whereas Meredith.
Meredith's perspective makes me makes not only it feels seen,
(04:49):
but makes me like laugh. Yes, right, there's always a
little touch of humor. Yeah, there's sort of like the
realistic if it's like family drama or whatever, it's like
you just know how to lean into the comedy of it.
And and and then I'm just laughing at.
Speaker 6 (05:04):
How we now we're all close enough where like I
do love there is that moment that's so sweet. I
feel like it was at my baby shower something where
I was like, oh my god, Like if all goes well,
we'll get to like the old ladies together. Yes, yeah,
because it's already been God that we've all like you
were a part of the family for a long time, Aaron.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
But thank god you came along.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
Like there's moments you're not in and alone, we catch
each other's eyes some like we'll be out and about
and it's just like I know that this is like
you know.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
It's crazy I mean, if you think about it, we're
dating Kate's two brothers.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Dating married married sorry it's married to.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
But I was thinking when we first started, you know, dating,
you were like and you'd be protective.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
It's like, this is these are my brothers, Like you know,
who's going to be come into the.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Family, who are they with, like all of that kind
of stuff, which is important. You know, you think about
it because you're like, have high standards.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah, and I definitely not that hit the jackpot. Well yes,
but not for any not for any other reason except
just because they're my brothers. Was definitely hyper ready to judge.
Oh yeah, you know you're like you go in kind
(06:39):
of like, okay, you go, you go in like you know,
and we have all people who like loves everybody, although
I have to say I didn't have any like thing
to I feel like it was super easy when we
first met. When Aaron and I first met, like you
(07:01):
were just starting to date.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
It was yes, okay, first birthday, you're starting to date, Chris,
Allie and I were not together yet. No, that's why
we met in the kitchen your parents house now Jackie
and Adam's house, and you were on the phone and
put him on speakerphone, and Allie and I had walked
in the kitchen, just friends.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
And she was like, Ollie, like this is my new boyfriend,
Like say hi, christ him six.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Hours literally, and there's Chris Robinson on the phone like
on the Black Crows.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
She's like yeah, and it was her twenty first birthday.
And then I walk in.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
You guys had a band going, okay, Vanessa was like
on the bongo drums.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Boston, You're singing, Allie singing.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
It was like a whole vibe and Vanessa was like stunning, beautiful,
Oliver's ex.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
I walked in and was like, oh, she's in the
family band. This is serious.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
And I don't even sing to myself in the shower
or alone in the car, like this is like a
whole musical situation going on.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
And I just.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Thought, okay, this is we're gonna be friends. You're just
gonna have friendship. And then you know, cut to they
broke up and you know what was the bath story?
Speaker 1 (08:19):
So that was Oliver and I.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Your parents were out of town, you were maybe home, yeah,
like still this is like your childhood home. And we
had decided to have like a date night at his
house in your parents' bathtub.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
So we had like.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
God, I remember, and it's a gorgeous tub with like
steps try like a big built in tub. We're in
there literally candles lit. It's probably like Arley has like
R and B music playing like you name it.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
It's like a vibe. And Kate's like kno, knock, knock,
Hey guys, can I come in? And I'm like trying
to put bubbles around like my booze. I'm like, oh
my god, what's happening? She comes in and sits down
on the step like with this basically yes, I just
like get in the bathroom like hi, and she starts
like talking like so anyway.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
So Chris and no No, But it was like stories
and chatting away and the whole time I'm like shriveling
up in the bathtub, never mine, and I'm like, am
I gonna like get out with her here?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Like I'm gonna be naked in front of her? What's happening?
Speaker 5 (09:22):
Cut to I Like the next time I see her,
I'm in the shower at Ally's okay, like taking your shower.
She comes in and sits down to go pee.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
About your talking to me? Well, I'm in the shower
naked and I'm like, hey, like so classic, and she's
asking me all these questions.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Oh my god, She's like.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Are your boobs real? Oh my god, let me.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
See you showed me your boobs, like.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
My real boobs? Back again, Aaron or me?
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Aaron? Oh?
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I did?
Speaker 4 (09:55):
How we got around?
Speaker 5 (09:58):
I think I got a little more comfort around.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
But bro was My introduction to Kate was just like
peeing in front of you, inspecting my naked body.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Wanted to get in the tub, telling me your whole
life story open book.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I was like, I love this person.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
I want to be more like this person because I
was the cost like shy.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
You're not shy. I mean you get a couple like
beers in you and you're like it's like, it's like,
who is this person? For Mother's Day? First? That will
be another podcast. First time we met mayor was I
(10:45):
have we have a different one?
Speaker 4 (10:48):
The first time I met Kate was different. The first
time I met That's what I mean?
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Am I forgetting this.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Time I met you? Kate is a classic story.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
It's a great one.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
So I had met the family everybody else I don't.
I think you were working at Aaron and Ali's house
and I was so nervous whatever.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
We had dinner, and I was just like holding my
breathled I'm like, oh my god, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
But it was amazing, but it was awkward.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
It was like me all a goldie Kurt and you
and why I come into my house and everyone's.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Like, hey, you know there she is so cute.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Like bringing in like a cute gift and like I
think you would on like jean like high waisted gorgeous
jeans or overalls or just something so cute and stylish.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
And immediately I was like, oh my god, I feel
her energy, like I know this feeling. So I was like,
We're going to make this.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Great, so sweet, and I was just like she's.
Speaker 6 (11:38):
But everyone was so great, and I was like why,
I just like shut down, Like I remember, he wasn't
like here, he wasn't like giving me a bone.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
He just was like he had he turned into.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Like through it. He's like, let's see how she handles.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
Like he turned into like a sixteen year old boy.
And I was like, oh, hot dog shirt on. And
then those like straight guy jock like mesh long shorts.
I don't know where he got them. I think he
had borrowed him from Allie or something.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I was just gonna say so, And I had.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
Like a candle and then I wrapped it in twine
and then I put rosemary on it, and like I
had put so much thought into my like I married it,
Like here's a candle, Like do I bring candy? Do
I bring candle?
Speaker 4 (12:20):
You?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Did? You brought candy? You brought Like what do they
call it?
Speaker 6 (12:23):
I'm so nervous And because it had been a while,
we were together a while anyway, he comes to the door,
He's like, I'm just kind of like walks in and
then like goes and says like I'm left to my
own devices.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Think I was like, ah, my story with U K
was obviously like it's Kate Hidson like, and I'm like,
when I'm comfortable, I'm so me.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
But like if I get and you guys now know
me well enough, it's like if I get geeked or awkward.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Or something, it's like it's it is. It's like my
entire career is based around this field of just being like.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
A common literally, so I don't like smoke.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
That's rare for me because I'll have like a bad
experience and then it's like five years later and I'm like,
oh God, but Allie, I wanted to be like cool.
I got I flew to Aspen and Allie was like, oh,
they're all out watching a movie, like they won't be
back too late.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
So I was like perfect. He's like, so let's have
let's smoke a joint.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
And then I was like, great, we'll smoke a joint,
We'll go to the guest house, and then I'll meet
everybody tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
This is perfect. I had like a fourteen hour travel day.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
And I smoked a joint and got really high, and
all of a sudden, like the whole family comes rushing
in and met eight kitchen lighting.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I remember super.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
And I was like stunned and so awkward, and I
just got so high and I started to get like
so paranoid that I just started speaking in greeting cards.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
So you were talking to me about.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Someone you were like dating at the time, and I
was like, well, home is where the heart is. I
think of being like, well, you know, you know, I
was like, why am I THI.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
You're like you.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Did another one that was like shoot for the Star
or something that was so funny.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
I don't remember which one it was, but you said
a couple of months now. We were laughing about it
the next day because you came in the room and
you were like, oh, it was so funny. Did you
(14:42):
have an expectation of what it was going to be
and then did it? Did it surprise you that it
was different? Yes?
Speaker 5 (14:49):
It really okay, definitely for me. We I met Goldie
the first time too. Again we were just just justic
eating and Allie and I were in the Capri kitchen.
We had come home from like being out at the
clubs and you know whatever you guys in your clubbing,
I know, the clubbing days early two thousands, and Allie
(15:14):
was making me sour dough like butter toast and it
was like our late night like snack or whatever. We're
down in the kitchen again, like kind of like a
sexy you know, like moment we're home, I'm like sitting
up in the kitchen counter that goes and in walks
(15:35):
your mom and Kurt.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
But it was like second time.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
I had kind of had a moment with Kurt already,
but like they walked in from being out as well,
and your mom just breezed in in like a white
tight ribbed tank top with no bra gold jewelry listening
coming right in.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Hi, honey, Oh yes, great? Can I have some of
your toasts?
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Like starts eating my toes, chatting away with me, talking
like we've met before. Like I'm just kind of there,
like no big deal, so casual, so comfortable, and just
all of a sudden, I'm like, oh my god, I'm
meeting a I'm meeting his mom, which I'm like late
night sitting on ac counter.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
And then I'm like, and b I'm meeting Goldie Han,
Like wait, what's happening right now?
Speaker 5 (16:20):
And it was just like she just breezed in talking,
took a bite of my toast, and like continued on
and so it.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Was like, were you surprised that it was so casual that.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
She did not happen for a and with both of them.
What I will say, and I say this to everybody
that asks. I look sometimes and I'm like, Goldie Group
is from Maryland, right, grew up in the East Coast. Kurt,
you know, got some East Coast in him with me,
and and you know his upbringing and traditional kind of
you know, being raised in the same way. They're so
(16:52):
grounded in the sense of what they do is their job.
And what I noticed in the very beginning, I would say,
like the first year is like we'd be on vacation together.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
We'd be at dinner.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
Never did like not never, but like rarely movies or
work or jobs.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Would come up. It was everything else.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
It's so interesting the kids and you know, travels and
politics and life. And once in a while it would
be you know this little comment, oh I'm gonna go
do this movie or maybe I'm auditioning for this part.
But the difference of say, like how Meredith and I
grew up, it was like even just getting an audition,
it was like basically blasted in like right, my family
and the news and like everything, and you get a
(17:35):
little tiny part on something and you're basically your parents
think you're Julia Roberts. You know, walk into a family
my family icons and yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
And they're like, oh, you're you're girl number one on CSI,
you know, like whatever.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
And I would be embarrassed to even like say anything,
but they were very proud of me.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
You know, they would still be.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Excited and like, oh my god, that's amazing, and you know,
they just had a sense of family first.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Always Yeah, still and the fact that they you you
kind of like, yeah, I think it's interesting to hear
like what your preconceived idea of something would be versus
like what it ends up being. You know, because I
used to call I used to call my parents the closers, Right.
It was like whenever I was like had a guy
(18:27):
that I liked and I brought them home, it was
like usually that person was always like I want to
be a part of this fan I think the deal
closer exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Yeah, they were sort of like, you know, the energy,
the laughter, the humor, the self deprecation, the you know
or not taking anything too seriously, the sense of kind
of fun and the business at they're in. No one
took too seriously. But yet they're the most iconic, you know, incredible.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
It's also a little different now like when you met mom,
which was now twenty five five years ago, they were
like partying all the time. Oh totally. They were like
having you know, they're like they're not as party they're
not as party centric as they used to be. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
No, they were like hosting parties, coming home from parties,
going out.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
There was definitely having more that vibe, I know, Yeah,
Meredith met when the parties sort of started subsiding, and
I met on his fiftieth Oh wow, I'm fifty two.
Stop it at the Capri House. It was the surprise
birthday party. I don't know if you remember. Wow, And
(19:41):
I went as a friend. This is like right around
the same time of your twenty first in a way,
that same you know, year or whatever. And yeah, he
walked in from work.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
There was a whole like surprise party and all that
kind of stuff going on. And then I did my
fiftieth at that house again.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Wow, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
And I went and had my fiftieth there. It's like
so full circle. That is crazy. Okay. Who was the
easiest to connect with in the fam? Yeah, you go
first because you like out of your parents or of
the whole family.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Okay, So I met Wyat when he was thirteen, So
I'm gonna go with Wyatt because he was a little teenager.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
No, I mean obviously, you know I was gonna say,
I'm like, come on. First of all, there was the everybody.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
You would think it would be so intimidating, and you were,
but you weren't. At the same time, I was like,
this girl is wearing zero makeup, doesn't give a fuck
and still looks hot as hell. Sous so comfortable, and
it was like immediately we had been friends for like
fifteen twenty years. She's talking to me, telling me things open,
(20:58):
so like there was a little comfort in that, I
will say. And then you disappeared and you were gone
throughout the world, marrying a rock start and then having
a baby. So I was like, Okay, I guess that's
not going to be there, So where do I go?
Speaker 6 (21:12):
What about you? Mayor It wasn't anything to do with
you not being easy to connect with, Kate, but I
was like the girl I'm I was like the other
the new woman in Why It's Life, which is a
tricky one like to come into you know, and I
was this new girlfriend and like without going into.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Two, but.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
Another thing that I really respect too, which is just
like you are on some level like how do you
not when it's your siblings being like especially another actress,
It's like we've all been conditioned to be like how
are what are people's intentions? And you were so sweet
but it didn't it was just it was just as
it should be, like not an immediate like welcome to
(21:55):
the family, like it shouldn't be that that's not actually
healthier natural, And I feel like my connection with everybody
really grew very naturally over time in a way that
Aaron felt the least like you were.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
You were just like I've I.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
Was like, come here, it's funny with your family. For me,
it was such a like obviously iconic, he's actor everybody,
but I really had fallen so hard in love with
Wyatt that, like I only it was like my brain
(22:33):
couldn't make sense of it other than just like these
are just the person that I love's parents. It wasn't
It was almost like two with my friend dating somebody or.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Like I'd be like, oh my god, it's who.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
But because I just loved Wyatt so much, and there's
that familiar like oh my god, it's so louding, but
there's that familiar like.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
That we all know, that feeling of just well, you're still.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Meeting in laws, You're meeting in laws and sister, no
matter what is gonna get you know.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
What I mean, like just anybody. Yeah, but I mean
the take that part out of the equation, like what
was what?
Speaker 3 (23:11):
What?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Who was the first person that you felt like the
like a like a connection with in the fair.
Speaker 7 (23:20):
Yeah, oh yeah, I mean well, first of all, we
both grew up very similar like East Coast, you know,
the parents, a lot of similarities there.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
But you're also it's like, okay, wait, you're the sister
in law in this family.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Give me the fucking down. I was like, old, let
me just break down everybody for you. So these are
their issues, these.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Are this is what Thanksgiving is going to look.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
Be prepared for this and and honestly, be prepared for
a really fucking good time. The great thing about me
was you have the best like presence and energy. Everybody
fell in love with you in literally three seconds. And
also everybody saw how in love you were, Like why it.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Was with you?
Speaker 5 (24:05):
I haven't you guys are different, you know what I mean?
Like me and Ollie, he was still so young. We're dating,
You're traveling the world, like why it's off playing hockey?
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Like you know what I mean, Mom live up to after.
I remember when my mom told me that you and
Wyatt met why his new girlfriend, and I was like, oh,
what's her name? She's an actress? And you know, I'm
like oh, And I remember googling you and the picture
that came up on a boat. The picture that came
(24:39):
up was one that later Meredith told me about because
she had gotten this spray tan and I remember looking
at this picture and I was going like, okay, okay,
she looks like and I was like, all right, like
it's you know, she's really cute. She's a little like
it's a very rang orange strong tanner.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
And felt like I thought I looked so hot that
night that I s I was like.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I love that. When I when I had to like
go and try to find it, like those were the
pictures that came up, and it was like, oh god,
it just that was my favorite thing ever. Okay, mothers,
let's talk about being mommies. Now years go by, we
are now all family, which people sometimes are like your family,
your sister in laws. It's so crazy because you guys
(25:33):
all look like sisters, look like sisters and special. I'd
love to get into like some mothers, some like you know,
(25:57):
some some parenting.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Style, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
I feel like we all have very different parenting styles.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
I feel like I'm still new enough as a mom
where I'm like, is this a style?
Speaker 1 (26:14):
I am?
Speaker 4 (26:15):
What's the style here?
Speaker 5 (26:17):
I just survival survival happiness is. Kate was like, I
don't even know what were you when you had Rider
twenty four? Yeah, so literally a baby having a baby.
But what's interesting is you and I had our babies
kind of right together, so you're thrown into this like
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toddler and a newborn and the craziness. And Kate like
elegantly had these like seven years apart, so she was
like a different mom to each kid.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
That's such a cool way of looking at it.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
It's so cool and like the evolution of who you've
become as a mother is so amazing. And I think
that's the beauty of it, you know, because sometimes you're like,
do you have.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Babies close together? It's good for the kids, ba ba bah.
But again my positive outlook on at all interesting.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
Yeah, each kid, I mean, you know had this like
kind of real one on one time, which is beautiful.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
And you got to evolve.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
I mean you were in your twenties with Rider, literally
your thirties basically with Bang and Ronnie you know now
in forties. But also just the evolution of what you
learn from each kid, what changes in the world of parenting,
and then also just having the two boys and then.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Getting the girl which we both have, which we.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
Both have, and we're gonna we're gonna manifest the little
baby girl.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
So we have the two boys and the girls family so.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Well obviously probably have a boy. So we'll just we're gonna.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
But I do think if you look back, that's what
I said. And you know, it was time to find
out what it was. I was like, it's fine if
it's a boy. And then I was like, no, it's
not the same thing. I like pregnant. I'm like, wait
a minute, if this is a boy, it actually I'll
have a moment of tears, tears like I will. And
then if the course you love it, it's like, yeah,
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like you love the baby. You know, five boys and
be hit me. Like two months into my pregnancy, I
was like, oh.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
So mine hit is another boy. So we went for
the third. You know our story, like the first two
we didn't try. It was just very lucky. It got
pregnant third one, and I was like, I'm going to
be forty are we doing this?
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Should wait? Blah blah blah, Let's go for it. Did
a few like things to try, you know, time of
the month and this and that whatever, and.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
My doctor was like, just make sure you want a
third kid, actually think about having a boy. Do you
want three boys? And I was like, I actually do
because I like being a boy. Mom, you're the only
want girl.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Like, it's just great.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
I was like, okay, he goes, because I don't care
what you do and what you try, you're you know
what I mean, there's a very good chance you're gonna
have a third boy.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Don't do this because you want the girl. And I
was like, yeah, no, not at all.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
And then I thought to myself, I really want a
girl for Allie, okay, because like, I'm so close with
my dad.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
I think he would be such an amazing girl. Dad
this and that. That's when it started to creep up.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
So I was like, it's just a little thought in
the back of my head, but I was prepared for
the boy. I remember I peed on the stick to
see if I was pregnant. The two lines popped up,
and I was like.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Oh fuck, I hope it's a girl. I had this
like wave of emotion.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
Oh my god, it's already done, like we already, it's happened,
it's it's figured out, it's already done.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
There's nothing else I can do. And it was in
that first real wave where I admitted to myself.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Yeah, oh my god, I kind of My doctor was right,
I'll be devastating. And I told him and I was like,
it worked, and he goes, did it didn't really?
Speaker 1 (29:56):
He's like, you never know.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
He's like, you can think it did, and he's like,
but really is that just left to nature?
Speaker 1 (30:02):
But but it's so funny because like our parents, I think
our parenting styles are very different to go back to
like oh yeah, you know, sure, And but Aaron and
I have a very similar thing, which is we're super
anxious when it comes to the kids doing it. Like
Aaron and I like when they were like bmxing, we'd
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we would.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Like hide in each other's necks, like don't look, don't look,
oh god.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Dirt bike skateboarding. Like it's like I go into the kitchen,
We're just like, okay, I have to leave this area,
make a martini, and yeah, try to ignore that they're
doing things that are always.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Said that, like she has the musical kids, and I
was like, I just want my boys to like play
an instrument and be in a band because.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
They're gonna be nice and safe playing the clarinet instead
they're like, yeah, they're like doing office trail.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
I mean, Aaron playing the clarinet.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Oh god, but you get what you're like supposed to have.
But Mayor, like, you know, then I see Mayor with
her kids and they're like, you know, like climbing up
the bed and they're like climbing on the concrete.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Just constant mental mathematics and this might be fun. So
my thing is can you die from this?
Speaker 6 (31:30):
And if the answer is yes, I get fucking so anxious.
So like I get really anxious about like car seats.
I get anxious about pools. I can't even anyone want
to buy a house with the pool. I get crazy
if I can only if my brain goes to broken bone,
twisted ankle, splinter.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
All if there's a splinter, we're out.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
You.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
I like, what wrong?
Speaker 4 (31:59):
I know, like back can happen.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
I am like I will wake up in the middle
of then I panicked, like choking, like batteries, blueberries, popcorn,
like the things that pop it in my head.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
But I just yeah, I don't I.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Don't know that. I was really proud of myself as
a sister in law because I literally I just showed
Aaron this video of me like bird feeding Ronnie and
I was eating, well really she was eating from my mouth,
which was even funnier because I'm amazating my food and
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she was just going right like a monk, like a monkey.
She's going right into my mouth, taking my food and
eating it from my mouth. And I was like, this
is very this is this is kind of gross. But
I literally like bird fed my kids. I mushed everything.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
You haven't choking. We all have our triggers choking. The
biggest one is the choky, but yeah, it does that.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
You do the self, the baby livating, and I literally
like my court is all level roll level, like I
can't be back like Booney. I'm like, oh my god,
I can piece of chicken or something. And I had
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Boon in my arms of the.
Speaker 6 (33:24):
Day and he anxiously around like the area, and I'm like, well.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
I don't. Everyone everybody has their own thing and right,
but then like Bood, I was with Boon by myself
like don't you want to try then? And he was like,
you know, wanted the app wanted an apple and I
was eating an apple and I was like, oh god,
I'm going to give him an apple. I was like,
oh my god, I'm want to do it. I was like,
I'm going to do it because I can because it's
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not my child, it's their child, and they and they
give him apples and I so I like, cut it up.
I cut him like a piece of apple and I
gave it to him and he's just he's so happy
and he's having the whole thing in his mouth, and
I'm just like having a heart attack. It's so because
I was really proud of myself because I viewed me too.
Baby steps, baby steps. Ronnie's gonna be seven, So yeah,
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she's she she just started solid. I wasn't gonna say
it on air, but now that's out there. Yeah, we've
gone from queam of wheat to oatmeal. It's a big,
big year. But so yeah, so so and then but having.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Boys, I will say a lot of boy moms out
there would agree, you do have to kind of let
him go and let him get hurt.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Allie was so good at that.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
He was such a balance for me where he's like, babe,
they're boys, let him go. And I was like, okay,
I'll be stuck in my misery of being you know, fearful.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Also, I have this theory too, And it is not
a theory.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
It's just what I've found if I'm too no, no, no,
don't do that's about things that aren't that dangerous.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
You're gonna give them anxcity.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
So psycho about like the street and the pool, and
my voice gets firm and I and I just I
have this thing with Buddy where it's like he now
knows this is serious, and this is also something where
it's like, hey, be careful jumping on that. You could
hurt yourself. Is it different than yes?
Speaker 5 (35:26):
And you're not putting it on to them like that's
what I had to learn. I learned that in therapy.
I also learned that when Wilder captured with his bare
hands a tarantula that we brought home in my car,
and I have like pretty much a you're a good
case of arachnophobia.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
And I've never seen anything like you're a ractophobia.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
It's pretty bad.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
And so I had a pet tarantula and Oliver looked
at me and I said, we're not bringing that thing home.
He's like, yes, we are. You're not going to crush
his dreams. He's already named it Harry. So we brought
it home and went to Petco and got you know,
container thing.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
To put it in crickets to feed it.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
We brought it home and I made sure that Locke
like basically could never come off.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
And Allie looked at me and he said, this great thing.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
He goes, don't transfer your you know, fear of spiders
onto the kids.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
He's a little boy, like let him be. So then
we had a snake that ended up dying, which was
not our fault because I was being very good about it,
but it was quite sick and it was so I
took it to the snake the place and he's like, yeah,
it's not very well, Like, we'll give you another snake.
We got another, same snake, another snake, and then one
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day I woke up and the snake was gone. It
was in Rider's room. Snake gone, and it got into
the house, it got out out. We have no idea
where Claudia, have you no idea that snake could be
living in the air ducks And you still don't know,
absolutely no idea. You were like, we have no idea?
(37:15):
Isn't it delayed response on my part? Yeah, like what
I like, I didn't realize what was going on. And
then oh, that's funny.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
Yeah, so bad.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
You guys.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
It's I have never found.
Speaker 6 (37:32):
I never found like you're always constantly Probably is that
the kind of thing that like once every month pops
into your.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Head like yeah, of course, and I mean it's probably
I'm I'm assuming would be dead by now because you
to figure it out, dude or yeah. But I also
was like had to tell writerer. I was like, honey
that this one got sick too, and I had to
take it back because I didn't want to say like
he got out and could be in your room somewhere
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and pop, and so I just and then every night
before I would go to bed, I'd be like, what
if the snake like you know, you're those crazy stories
where like it strangles the so so then I started, yeah,
so I put like snake try. It was the whole thing,
but we got through it, and for sure, he's twenty one.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
I got through it.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
We're gonna would just wait.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
We had like get gos snakes, Ranchela's I don't know what, buddy,
and then it was you do that's right, that's right.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
I'm like, it's one of my sexiest qualities.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Yeah, I just want to.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Say you're both such good moms.
Speaker 6 (38:41):
You guys be moms because there's not there's so many
like nuanced depths to the experience of motherhood and new
motherhood that like I'm only now feel like I'm processing
feeling and I've started just having such a love and respect,
especially for you guys in the moms in my life
that really do inspire me. And like nobody ever talks
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about being a mom is like embracing your unique gifts
as a human being and just being that for your kids.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
Like watching U Kate.
Speaker 6 (39:15):
This last like Eastern Time, and like I just felt
like you're so in your You're such this like authentic
I was telling you this, but this like authentic place,
and watching your kids and this beautiful family that you've
built that's like messy and complicated and gorgeous and fun
and just like felt like everything was like clicked in
this really and just watching you be so authentically you
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and then sharing that with your kids and creating magic
that's not like homogenized magic or like some idea of
motherhood that you feel like you need to like be
You're you, and your nice is that gift to your kids.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
And it's the same with you, it's like either of
you have lost It's like my favorite thing to talk
about right now because I feel so in it with
the baby so little, but like, I.
Speaker 6 (40:07):
Just love watching each of you be fucking yourself and
like that's like to be fucking yourself.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
You know, it's funny you're saying this because I was
just talking about this being you know, when you go
through these different stages of your kid's life, right, So
it's like you have you're in the sort of you know,
baby toddler years, and then you have the teen years,
and then you know, then you have the adulthood. And
(40:37):
the thing that I've noticed is that you want them.
You're this unique thing is really only seen by them
when they get older, because you want them to want
a different kind of like as much as they love you, Like,
(40:58):
it's actually a very human respect bonds for children to
be like, oh, that life looks interesting. Oh, but what
about those people over there that's an interesting life too,
Like it's actually good for them to look outside of
the family to experience something else. And sometimes they kind
of reject you because they want to go discover something new, right,
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And that's a super normal response to like teenage years
and when they're growing and individuating. Then they get to
be twenty one. Like Rider, they get to be older
and they get to reflect and start their young adult
life of like what do I want to be? Who
do I And then they get to really see you.
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And that's when you go like, oh, wait, I think
I did a good job. He likes me, you know,
he liked his childhood. True.
Speaker 5 (41:53):
It's really interesting in the moment and just going on
that right, you're going off instinct. You know, you might
be nowadays there's so many podcasts and things and you
can learn, but really you're learning just like kids do
by watching. So you see your mom, friends, you know,
you see your family, people that had kids before you.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
And you're like, ooh, I want to do it like that,
or oh I don't know if I would do that.
Speaker 5 (42:19):
You know, you're kind of soaking it all in as
you go, but then you're thrown into the fire and
sometimes the plan that you think you know, the way
you're going to mother our parent goes, you know, completely
off the tracks due to who your kid is and
so adapting to kind of who your child is and
still being able to be kind of you know, who
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you are. It's interesting and each kid is going to
be different and kind of challenge you in those different ways.
But on our end, I mean you're looking at us
right because you're in it right now, and you're like, wow, okay,
two people to look up to and kind of their
children and who they are, and we parents are not
very different.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Amazing, but we look back.
Speaker 5 (43:05):
I mean, you're still in it obviously, Ronnie is still
you know, little, but I can look so fondly and
say talk about doing things instinctually and authentically. I mean
that is you to the core. You are like so
just naturally, like an incredible mom. And I'm going to
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sing your praises right now because I think it's true.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
But you are who you are.
Speaker 5 (43:29):
You're an amazing boy mom because you are all about
adventure and all about kind of you know, creating joy,
which is who you are in your real life. Like
when you when Wyatt came home telling us about you.
The first moment it was this girl that I can't
describe it. I just want to be around her. Yeah,
(43:51):
and he he is somebody who's you know, kind of
more internal. I mean maybe obviously not with the family.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
But he should talk about are good ten minutes just
to like make incredibly uncomfortable. Exactly why, Russell, he was
walking down the street with you. He's an avenger. Now
he has to be more open. This is true. He's
got to get ready. You have to get ready.
Speaker 4 (44:14):
By the way, he wants to go on.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Oh good finally. Anyways, my point was he was like,
I want to be around her. She's magnetic.
Speaker 5 (44:24):
And you pulled him in to do karrieok, like walking
down a street on a bar. Yeah, and we were like,
she was like, let's go, let's go to karaoke. He's like, no, spontaneous,
doesn't feel like wyat going in and doing like karaoke
in a bar.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (44:38):
But there he was, and he's like, I'm doing all
this because I wanted. She makes me want to do it, right,
So that's who you are, and that's who you are
for us, right, You're fun there.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
You also said to me before we met you too,
was that he was like, she I know I know her,
like I know this person. This is familiar familiar to me.
And he was just like, you're gonna love her like
I remember him. When you're gonna you're gonna love.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
Well now, Kate.
Speaker 6 (45:08):
It's so funny because I feel so close to you now,
especially after the fire, and like that it is this
weird thing where you're like, wow, I would be really
good friends.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
We would be great friends even if I wasn't, and
you too, Aaron. It's so fucking lucky to feel that.
Speaker 6 (45:26):
I mean, it's so rare where I'm like wow, Like
there's times where I'm like, oh yeah, like wow, it's.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
So bad great and all, it's like the best. I'm
so I'm so grateful that my brothers were so swart.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
Loves fire right now.
Speaker 6 (45:44):
But I also think that like it's I don't know,
there's so much about motherhood that I don't know. I
was so scared I didn't have My sister obviously doesn't
have kids, and I I didn't hadn't.
Speaker 4 (45:55):
Been around babies ever almost real and bang where the.
Speaker 6 (45:59):
Two little kids that I had been around, and they
made me so excited and watching you guys be mothers.
But also like it is so singular, it's your own
experience and I just wasn't prepared for how like healing
it is.
Speaker 4 (46:11):
And I get to kind of like this like reparenting
intentional that.
Speaker 6 (46:16):
You also are like there is no right, like, there's
no doing it right. There's just this desire to love
my kids and not.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
I don't know. I also don't think there's enough like
cultural narrative around.
Speaker 6 (46:31):
And it's easy to say this when you're privileged and
you have access to childcare.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
Which is a really big thing.
Speaker 6 (46:37):
Like I wouldn't be able to be shooting this right
now if I didn't have like an amazing nanny Gaga
who was both you guys like helping me, like she
has my kids right now. I can go to work
and be with you guys and keep my meanness when
I need to tap into that.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
Like, but nobody talks about how fucking fun it is,
like they're so fun.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
To have kids. It's not. So here's what I'll say.
Speaker 5 (47:07):
I look back in fondness, as I started to say before,
because I wasn't.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
Having as much fun as you are. And I look
and I'm like, god, damn it, if I could go back, Well,
that's because of your anxiety, anxiety, sleep, anxiety.
Speaker 5 (47:21):
Yeah, it's just you know, it was just a different time.
But I look back at you and I'm like, oh
my god, you have I wasn't so much fun that.
Speaker 4 (47:27):
You was a baby because I was so nervous, like
am I doing it right?
Speaker 1 (47:30):
Is this what to do?
Speaker 6 (47:31):
And then even eating all that stuff and I'm like
can we die, Like let's have some fun exactly I was.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
I was like I took writer, I had writer.
Speaker 5 (47:42):
I started your free spirit vibe. That transferred into being
a free spirit mom. Even though you were so strict,
very strict, and very very tough, you still had that
free spirit of like, let's go, let's travel. Like you
didn't stay super structured, you know what I mean. You
were like especially like.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
You know, more like mayor yes, in the fact that
we would I would travel and take the kids everywhere.
I never went. I don't go anywhere without my kids. Yeah.
I still am sort of like that. I kind of yeah,
it's not.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
It's not natural to want to. I mean, it's like
it's you. They're your cubs.
Speaker 5 (48:17):
You.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
Yeah, I'm like what am I doing? Every time I'm
away everyone's in a while with with Danny, like when
we have a trip together, I feel like we need it.
Like I was like, oh wow, that feels really nice.
But when I'm not, after like three or four days,
I'm like, what am I doing? All I want to
do is be with my kids. You know, what is
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the most challenging thing for you as a parent If
you could I know there's a lot, but if you
could really take like like almost like in a relationship
where there's like a core issue, what is that core
thing for you as a as a mom? That is
the most challenging. For me.
Speaker 6 (49:05):
It's like the constant just me feeling like it's my
job to manage my emotions and like be in the
like parenting myself along with my kids, which I know
is because it is like there's moments where you want
to I don't. I want to be in possession of
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my emotions and I want them to not feel like
they're responsible for my feelings.
Speaker 4 (49:33):
And so that is really hard and really challenging.
Speaker 6 (49:36):
And that is actually when I've been to like Martyr,
I don't need help, I need to do it by myself.
That's when it starts to get harder and wear on me.
And that's something that I find challenging. But in the
challenge is such a fucking geese And it's so like
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I love anything that that's making you grow, you know, I.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
Love that answer.
Speaker 4 (50:05):
I cannot about you.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
I feel the same, So I totally agree.
Speaker 5 (50:09):
I would say, I would say, you know, you're so
in the thick of it, so to even be able
to be aware of that is incredible. Again, another thing
that I think is amazing about you just in this
motherhood journey.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
You're so present.
Speaker 5 (50:24):
But I would say I battle a little bit of
not wanting to put my ans you know, like anxiety
or you know, that kind of stuff onto them. And
I find obviously Oliver was an incredible balance with that,
but I do it with humor. I try to be
aware of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
But it is a challenge. Like with the boys, and
they do risky things.
Speaker 5 (50:51):
So like obviously you know, they're downhill mountain bike and
going off of jumps, They're riding you know, motorcycle, dirt bikes, skiing,
I mean, they're fucking crazy skiers, all of that kind
of stuff, right, But also just in life, I want
them to be aware, you know, and so just you know,
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trying to do that, I think without making them so nervous.
I want them to go off and do all of
those things and not hold them back. But I would
say that's my biggest job. Yeah, I agree with that too.
It's like I also feel like too. It's like the
more you trust them, the more they trust themselves.
Speaker 1 (51:31):
And I always say, I trust you guys. It's usually
either mother nature or other people around them that you
don't trust, but I do. I don't know, I mean
other people. I don't see other people.
Speaker 5 (51:44):
Yeah, because, like you know, in therapy or whatever, I learned,
as long as you have kind of instilled in them
the information and the safety that they need to know,
right if it's little kids crossing a street, if it's
the boys and they have on their helmets and they
know what to do and urgency blah blah blah, then
you gotta let them go.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
It's just seems really like you controlling your fears exactly
being and yeah, yep, I love that too.
Speaker 5 (52:09):
I relate to all or even just like say having
a girl too, Like with Rio, There'll be certain things
where I'm like, by your tongue, like just I'm not
want to fix things for them, the girl and like
well also just not even getting into the girl. That
could be a whole nother podcasts daughters, but not wanting
to fix something right or doing it like sometimes I
(52:30):
want to, you know, fix something because I see it
in a certain way, but she loves.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
It in that way, and I'm like, just let her
love it that way. It's beautiful. So I'm a little
more conscious.
Speaker 5 (52:40):
I think of what's my feeling or opinion that I'm
going to put off on them, and trying to let
them just have their own and let it be, you
know not.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
I asked the question, and then I'm trying to think
of what my corrior thing is. I don't have an answer,
but if I was to just kind of go off
the top of my head, I would say my core
challenge is a mother would be to not feel like
I have to take it all on. Like I have
a tendency to feel like I can do everything. I
(53:14):
can be the mom, I can be the dad. I
can organize, I can I can structure, I can be
their best friend. I could be there. I could be there,
you know, parent and disciplinarian. And it really hit me
(53:34):
most in COVID because I realized that I had this
like almost like type a mothering thing where it was
like I just have to do everything and then and
then the challenge is then not being upset when I
feel like I'm doing everything. It's like so it's like
(53:57):
I bring it on myself, right, and then I get
upset because I feel like I don't have the help
or the support, even though I have a great partner.
And it's my biggest challenge is to like actually just
let sometimes it go go and like not be a perfect.
Speaker 4 (54:18):
Moment, not all that important all the time.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
Yeah, Like it's okay if like you know, yes exactly,
and it's okay if someone forgot to make Ronnie's lunch
and I forgot to do it and you know, someone else.
It's like there's moments where I think, because I'm so like,
I function at a certain kind of level which might
not be normal.
Speaker 4 (54:42):
I've never seen anything like it.
Speaker 1 (54:44):
But it's like, okay, if like I say that, like
it sounds like I'm some sort of up type person.
Really I'm actually not. But but I do have this
thing where I just always feel like I like I'm
carrying everything and I I think that that's something I
do to myself. I don't think that's something that other
people are doing to me. And and and so it's
(55:07):
like that's the thing you've learned to let that go,
I would say, even just with Ronnie, oh yeah, not
a little bit more oh much change so much in
the last like five years for.
Speaker 4 (55:17):
Surely, Well, it's also a desire. It's like it's hard
to feel like if you've got fifty things, the amount
of stuff I watch you juggle.
Speaker 6 (55:26):
Kate between career and companies and family, and I mean
it's crazy. I feel like I etch out my small
little chunk and that's all I can handle because I
because I don't know, I honestly don't know how you
do it.
Speaker 4 (55:42):
But it's true.
Speaker 6 (55:42):
It's like I'm sure it feels like if one thing falls,
then the whole thing will drop.
Speaker 4 (55:48):
And then realize I'm like, wait, no, this can.
Speaker 1 (55:51):
Be for that's the thing. It works, She's good at it,
she knows how to do it.
Speaker 5 (55:54):
It's just having actually the ability to kind of reflect
a little and say, you know what, like maybe if
I let that go, it's going to make it easier
for me and everyone else around me.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
And like and like, I think I overcompensate with wanting
to be there for the kids and do everything for
the kids, just based on my own childhood, the fact
that you know, my situation with my father, the fact
that Go Go was you know, worked a lot when
we were kids, and wasn't there as much as sometimes
I wanted her to be there, and and so so
(56:29):
it's like I do all these things, but then I
want to be everything for my kids and do everything.
Speaker 2 (56:35):
And sometimes I just need to like like not be
kids they want to be, Like, it's okay right to
like not go.
Speaker 4 (56:47):
Go.
Speaker 5 (56:48):
Look, we all take things from our childhood, which is
a perfect example of I think why both you and
Oliver are like that you do not want to be
away from your kids. That is literally due to kind
of part of your childhood. And there was amazing things
about you childhood, and then there was more hard thing,
harder things, but you kind of learn your parenting style
and you're gonna take away things we're gonna you know,
(57:09):
from our parents.
Speaker 6 (57:10):
Also, the balance that I'm finding is like impossible. It's
like this elusive idea, Like I don't know what balance is.
I'd love to meet the person that finds it. I
find like momentary feelings of today we from between twelve
and three, the balance struck.
Speaker 1 (57:30):
I love you guys. This has been so much fun.
What is the Mother's day plan?
Speaker 6 (57:38):
Fly that I think I can fly back from Vancouver
because I'm not I'm going to bring the kids and
come back for like five days.
Speaker 4 (57:45):
Yes it, I'll be together. What are you guys doing?
Speaker 1 (57:48):
Are we gonna Well, we were gonna go to the desert.
We were going to go and vacate together away, but everybody, yeah,
were Weirdly, we're going to It's early summer in Europe,
so we're leaving the kids. Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (58:12):
I feel like there was so much more we could discuss.
We need like a part two Mother's Day moms and
sister in laws.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
Well, hopefully we'll all be together. My favorite mothers in
the world. I love you so much, the best time.
Send pictures you know you and your little baby boys
love you beautiful
Speaker 4 (58:33):
The kids fa yay, so bad
Hi. I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.
We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationships and
what it's like to be siblings.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
We are a sibling raivalry.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth, Vely,
that's good. Hi you guys. Happy Mother's Day.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Podcast, Happy podcast mothers.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I'm so excited that I get to talk to my
sister in laws for our me too. Oliver is on
his boat fishing, surprise, surprise, and I get to have
these girls, gorgeous ladies. Favor little trio you get.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
I know we're a trio. We get, we get you.
The listeners get Aaron, who is my maybe my therapist.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Oh god, that's all that's a disaster. I'm so sure
that you're good. I'm Aaron's the best listener, right, don't
you think you're like the perfect listener?
Speaker 5 (01:27):
Definitely a good listener. I feel like I'm kind of
everybody's go to therapists.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, you listen and you and you don't like fix,
meaning like you're not interested in like, okay, this is
I'm I have to like fix that. I'm a little
bit of a fixer.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Though, you think at least always said don't try and
fix it, just listen. I feel like I can be
if somebody wants it, maybe if they don't want interesting,
but you're.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Always positive about it, like it's like okay.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
Like I could be like, I have a rash that's
gone from my scalp to my vagina, and Aaron's like, okay,
we're to figure this out, like you're terrible rash, very
like okay, I haven't actually had that, but I'm just
a mephorical example of an emotional rash. Like you would
be like, okay, we've got this one thousand percent.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Okay. It's always we're always fixing.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
I'm very good at helping others, not really maybe taking
my own personal advice.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
No, that's true. I always feel like it's like with Aaron,
it's it's like soothing. Yeah, it's like the South, very neutral.
I see both sides.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
I'm very much uh okay, well let's look at it
from their point of view.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
And I'm like no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
This one over here with her opinions. I wish I
had strong hands like that.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
The other day, you were like such a cheerleader for me,
and I was like shacked up off it.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
I was, God, I know, I'm.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Her mo speed. I was like, I was like my dad.
I was like paw and miracle. I was like, it's
your speech. It's come to me for the calming speech.
Come to cap for the fucking what do you come
to me for about Yes to feet, like, yeah, you're
(03:24):
a cheerleader, the best cheerleader, You're the always you. You
always make me feel like I've contributed enough, meaning like that,
like I like you make me. You remind me that
I have made some contribution in the world, like when
I need to feel that, you know what it's like.
(03:45):
It's like it's like in soap Dish when Whoopy Goldberg
takes Sally Field to the mall because she's feeling down,
and she takes you to the mall, and it's like,
you know, just so she can get noticed. That's how
I feel like I always doing done. You'd be like,
come on, we're going to the mall. We're not shopping.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
God shit, babe, deal with it.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
I feel like Mayor the mall is very positive and
girl like supportive vibes always best compliments, like you feel
like a million dollars.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
As people, so like I will shout it from the.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Also, I feel like I feel like mayor you there's
like Aaron, you feel like it's very soothing and like okay, right,
like you're like Switzerland, definitely, you know where is whereas Meredith.
Meredith's perspective makes me makes not only it feels seen,
(04:49):
but makes me like laugh. Yes, right, there's always a
little touch of humor. Yeah, there's sort of like the
realistic if it's like family drama or whatever, it's like
you just know how to lean into the comedy of it.
And and and then I'm just laughing at.
Speaker 6 (05:04):
How we now we're all close enough where like I
do love there is that moment that's so sweet. I
feel like it was at my baby shower something where
I was like, oh my god, Like if all goes well,
we'll get to like the old ladies together. Yes, yeah,
because it's already been God that we've all like you
were a part of the family for a long time, Aaron.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
But thank god you came along.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
Like there's moments you're not in and alone, we catch
each other's eyes some like we'll be out and about
and it's just like I know that this is like
you know.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
It's crazy I mean, if you think about it, we're
dating Kate's two brothers.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Dating married married sorry it's married to.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
But I was thinking when we first started, you know, dating,
you were like and you'd be protective.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
It's like, this is these are my brothers, Like you know,
who's going to be come into the.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Family, who are they with, like all of that kind
of stuff, which is important. You know, you think about
it because you're like, have high standards.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah, and I definitely not that hit the jackpot. Well yes,
but not for any not for any other reason except
just because they're my brothers. Was definitely hyper ready to judge.
Oh yeah, you know you're like you go in kind
(06:39):
of like, okay, you go, you go in like you know,
and we have all people who like loves everybody, although
I have to say I didn't have any like thing
to I feel like it was super easy when we
first met. When Aaron and I first met, like you
(07:01):
were just starting to date.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
It was yes, okay, first birthday, you're starting to date, Chris,
Allie and I were not together yet. No, that's why
we met in the kitchen your parents house now Jackie
and Adam's house, and you were on the phone and
put him on speakerphone, and Allie and I had walked
in the kitchen, just friends.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
And she was like, Ollie, like this is my new boyfriend,
Like say hi, christ him six.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Hours literally, and there's Chris Robinson on the phone like
on the Black Crows.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
She's like yeah, and it was her twenty first birthday.
And then I walk in.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
You guys had a band going, okay, Vanessa was like
on the bongo drums.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Boston, You're singing, Allie singing.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
It was like a whole vibe and Vanessa was like stunning, beautiful,
Oliver's ex.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
I walked in and was like, oh, she's in the
family band. This is serious.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
And I don't even sing to myself in the shower
or alone in the car, like this is like a
whole musical situation going on.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
And I just.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Thought, okay, this is we're gonna be friends. You're just
gonna have friendship. And then you know, cut to they
broke up and you know what was the bath story?
Speaker 1 (08:19):
So that was Oliver and I.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Your parents were out of town, you were maybe home, yeah,
like still this is like your childhood home. And we
had decided to have like a date night at his
house in your parents' bathtub.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
So we had like.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
God, I remember, and it's a gorgeous tub with like
steps try like a big built in tub. We're in
there literally candles lit. It's probably like Arley has like
R and B music playing like you name it.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
It's like a vibe. And Kate's like kno, knock, knock,
Hey guys, can I come in? And I'm like trying
to put bubbles around like my booze. I'm like, oh
my god, what's happening? She comes in and sits down
on the step like with this basically yes, I just
like get in the bathroom like hi, and she starts
like talking like so anyway.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
So Chris and no No, But it was like stories
and chatting away and the whole time I'm like shriveling
up in the bathtub, never mine, and I'm like, am
I gonna like get out with her here?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Like I'm gonna be naked in front of her? What's happening?
Speaker 5 (09:22):
Cut to I Like the next time I see her,
I'm in the shower at Ally's okay, like taking your shower.
She comes in and sits down to go pee.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
About your talking to me? Well, I'm in the shower
naked and I'm like, hey, like so classic, and she's
asking me all these questions.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Oh my god, She's like.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Are your boobs real? Oh my god, let me.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
See you showed me your boobs, like.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
My real boobs? Back again, Aaron or me?
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Aaron? Oh?
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I did?
Speaker 4 (09:55):
How we got around?
Speaker 5 (09:58):
I think I got a little more comfort around.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
But bro was My introduction to Kate was just like
peeing in front of you, inspecting my naked body.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Wanted to get in the tub, telling me your whole
life story open book.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I was like, I love this person.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
I want to be more like this person because I
was the cost like shy.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
You're not shy. I mean you get a couple like
beers in you and you're like it's like, it's like,
who is this person? For Mother's Day? First? That will
be another podcast. First time we met mayor was I
(10:45):
have we have a different one?
Speaker 4 (10:48):
The first time I met Kate was different. The first
time I met That's what I mean?
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Am I forgetting this.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Time I met you? Kate is a classic story.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
It's a great one.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
So I had met the family everybody else I don't.
I think you were working at Aaron and Ali's house
and I was so nervous whatever.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
We had dinner, and I was just like holding my
breathled I'm like, oh my god, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
But it was amazing, but it was awkward.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
It was like me all a goldie Kurt and you
and why I come into my house and everyone's.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Like, hey, you know there she is so cute.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Like bringing in like a cute gift and like I
think you would on like jean like high waisted gorgeous
jeans or overalls or just something so cute and stylish.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
And immediately I was like, oh my god, I feel
her energy, like I know this feeling. So I was like,
We're going to make this.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Great, so sweet, and I was just like she's.
Speaker 6 (11:38):
But everyone was so great, and I was like why,
I just like shut down, Like I remember, he wasn't
like here, he wasn't like giving me a bone.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
He just was like he had he turned into.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Like through it. He's like, let's see how she handles.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
Like he turned into like a sixteen year old boy.
And I was like, oh, hot dog shirt on. And
then those like straight guy jock like mesh long shorts.
I don't know where he got them. I think he
had borrowed him from Allie or something.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I was just gonna say so, And I had.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
Like a candle and then I wrapped it in twine
and then I put rosemary on it, and like I
had put so much thought into my like I married it,
Like here's a candle, Like do I bring candy? Do
I bring candle?
Speaker 4 (12:20):
You?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Did? You brought candy? You brought Like what do they
call it?
Speaker 6 (12:23):
I'm so nervous And because it had been a while,
we were together a while anyway, he comes to the door,
He's like, I'm just kind of like walks in and
then like goes and says like I'm left to my
own devices.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Think I was like, ah, my story with U K
was obviously like it's Kate Hidson like, and I'm like,
when I'm comfortable, I'm so me.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
But like if I get and you guys now know
me well enough, it's like if I get geeked or awkward.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Or something, it's like it's it is. It's like my
entire career is based around this field of just being like.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
A common literally, so I don't like smoke.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
That's rare for me because I'll have like a bad
experience and then it's like five years later and I'm like,
oh God, but Allie, I wanted to be like cool.
I got I flew to Aspen and Allie was like, oh,
they're all out watching a movie, like they won't be
back too late.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
So I was like perfect. He's like, so let's have
let's smoke a joint.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
And then I was like, great, we'll smoke a joint,
We'll go to the guest house, and then I'll meet
everybody tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
This is perfect. I had like a fourteen hour travel day.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
And I smoked a joint and got really high, and
all of a sudden, like the whole family comes rushing
in and met eight kitchen lighting.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I remember super.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
And I was like stunned and so awkward, and I
just got so high and I started to get like
so paranoid that I just started speaking in greeting cards.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
So you were talking to me about.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Someone you were like dating at the time, and I
was like, well, home is where the heart is. I
think of being like, well, you know, you know, I
was like, why am I THI.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
You're like you.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Did another one that was like shoot for the Star
or something that was so funny.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
I don't remember which one it was, but you said
a couple of months now. We were laughing about it
the next day because you came in the room and
you were like, oh, it was so funny. Did you
(14:42):
have an expectation of what it was going to be
and then did it? Did it surprise you that it
was different? Yes?
Speaker 5 (14:49):
It really okay, definitely for me. We I met Goldie
the first time too. Again we were just just justic
eating and Allie and I were in the Capri kitchen.
We had come home from like being out at the
clubs and you know whatever you guys in your clubbing,
I know, the clubbing days early two thousands, and Allie
(15:14):
was making me sour dough like butter toast and it
was like our late night like snack or whatever. We're
down in the kitchen again, like kind of like a
sexy you know, like moment we're home, I'm like sitting
up in the kitchen counter that goes and in walks
(15:35):
your mom and Kurt.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
But it was like second time.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
I had kind of had a moment with Kurt already,
but like they walked in from being out as well,
and your mom just breezed in in like a white
tight ribbed tank top with no bra gold jewelry listening
coming right in.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Hi, honey, Oh yes, great? Can I have some of
your toasts?
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Like starts eating my toes, chatting away with me, talking
like we've met before. Like I'm just kind of there,
like no big deal, so casual, so comfortable, and just
all of a sudden, I'm like, oh my god, I'm
meeting a I'm meeting his mom, which I'm like late
night sitting on ac counter.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
And then I'm like, and b I'm meeting Goldie Han,
Like wait, what's happening right now?
Speaker 5 (16:20):
And it was just like she just breezed in talking,
took a bite of my toast, and like continued on
and so it.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Was like, were you surprised that it was so casual that.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
She did not happen for a and with both of them.
What I will say, and I say this to everybody
that asks. I look sometimes and I'm like, Goldie Group
is from Maryland, right, grew up in the East Coast. Kurt,
you know, got some East Coast in him with me,
and and you know his upbringing and traditional kind of
you know, being raised in the same way. They're so
(16:52):
grounded in the sense of what they do is their job.
And what I noticed in the very beginning, I would say,
like the first year is like we'd be on vacation together.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
We'd be at dinner.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
Never did like not never, but like rarely movies or
work or jobs.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Would come up. It was everything else.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
It's so interesting the kids and you know, travels and
politics and life. And once in a while it would
be you know this little comment, oh I'm gonna go
do this movie or maybe I'm auditioning for this part.
But the difference of say, like how Meredith and I
grew up, it was like even just getting an audition,
it was like basically blasted in like right, my family
and the news and like everything, and you get a
(17:35):
little tiny part on something and you're basically your parents
think you're Julia Roberts. You know, walk into a family
my family icons and yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
And they're like, oh, you're you're girl number one on CSI,
you know, like whatever.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
And I would be embarrassed to even like say anything,
but they were very proud of me.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
You know, they would still be.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Excited and like, oh my god, that's amazing, and you know,
they just had a sense of family first.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Always Yeah, still and the fact that they you you
kind of like, yeah, I think it's interesting to hear
like what your preconceived idea of something would be versus
like what it ends up being. You know, because I
used to call I used to call my parents the closers, Right.
It was like whenever I was like had a guy
(18:27):
that I liked and I brought them home, it was
like usually that person was always like I want to
be a part of this fan I think the deal
closer exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Yeah, they were sort of like, you know, the energy,
the laughter, the humor, the self deprecation, the you know
or not taking anything too seriously, the sense of kind
of fun and the business at they're in. No one
took too seriously. But yet they're the most iconic, you know, incredible.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
It's also a little different now like when you met mom,
which was now twenty five five years ago, they were
like partying all the time. Oh totally. They were like
having you know, they're like they're not as party they're
not as party centric as they used to be. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
No, they were like hosting parties, coming home from parties,
going out.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
There was definitely having more that vibe, I know, Yeah,
Meredith met when the parties sort of started subsiding, and
I met on his fiftieth Oh wow, I'm fifty two.
Stop it at the Capri House. It was the surprise
birthday party. I don't know if you remember. Wow, And
(19:41):
I went as a friend. This is like right around
the same time of your twenty first in a way,
that same you know, year or whatever. And yeah, he
walked in from work.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
There was a whole like surprise party and all that
kind of stuff going on. And then I did my
fiftieth at that house again.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Wow, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
And I went and had my fiftieth there. It's like
so full circle. That is crazy. Okay. Who was the
easiest to connect with in the fam? Yeah, you go
first because you like out of your parents or of
the whole family.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Okay, So I met Wyat when he was thirteen, So
I'm gonna go with Wyatt because he was a little teenager.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
No, I mean obviously, you know I was gonna say,
I'm like, come on. First of all, there was the everybody.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
You would think it would be so intimidating, and you were,
but you weren't. At the same time, I was like,
this girl is wearing zero makeup, doesn't give a fuck
and still looks hot as hell. Sous so comfortable, and
it was like immediately we had been friends for like
fifteen twenty years. She's talking to me, telling me things open,
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so like there was a little comfort in that, I
will say. And then you disappeared and you were gone
throughout the world, marrying a rock start and then having
a baby. So I was like, Okay, I guess that's
not going to be there, So where do I go?
Speaker 6 (21:12):
What about you? Mayor It wasn't anything to do with
you not being easy to connect with, Kate, but I
was like the girl I'm I was like the other
the new woman in Why It's Life, which is a
tricky one like to come into you know, and I
was this new girlfriend and like without going into.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Two, but.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
Another thing that I really respect too, which is just
like you are on some level like how do you
not when it's your siblings being like especially another actress,
It's like we've all been conditioned to be like how
are what are people's intentions? And you were so sweet
but it didn't it was just it was just as
it should be, like not an immediate like welcome to
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the family, like it shouldn't be that that's not actually
healthier natural, And I feel like my connection with everybody
really grew very naturally over time in a way that
Aaron felt the least like you were.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
You were just like I've I.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
Was like, come here, it's funny with your family. For me,
it was such a like obviously iconic, he's actor everybody,
but I really had fallen so hard in love with
Wyatt that, like I only it was like my brain
(22:33):
couldn't make sense of it other than just like these
are just the person that I love's parents. It wasn't
It was almost like two with my friend dating somebody or.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Like I'd be like, oh my god, it's who.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
But because I just loved Wyatt so much, and there's
that familiar like oh my god, it's so louding, but
there's that familiar like.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
That we all know, that feeling of just well, you're still.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Meeting in laws, You're meeting in laws and sister, no
matter what is gonna get you know.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
What I mean, like just anybody. Yeah, but I mean
the take that part out of the equation, like what
was what?
Speaker 3 (23:11):
What?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Who was the first person that you felt like the
like a like a connection with in the fair.
Speaker 7 (23:20):
Yeah, oh yeah, I mean well, first of all, we
both grew up very similar like East Coast, you know,
the parents, a lot of similarities there.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
But you're also it's like, okay, wait, you're the sister
in law in this family.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Give me the fucking down. I was like, old, let
me just break down everybody for you. So these are
their issues, these.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Are this is what Thanksgiving is going to look.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
Be prepared for this and and honestly, be prepared for
a really fucking good time. The great thing about me
was you have the best like presence and energy. Everybody
fell in love with you in literally three seconds. And
also everybody saw how in love you were, Like why it.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Was with you?
Speaker 5 (24:05):
I haven't you guys are different, you know what I mean?
Like me and Ollie, he was still so young. We're dating,
You're traveling the world, like why it's off playing hockey?
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Like you know what I mean, Mom live up to after.
I remember when my mom told me that you and
Wyatt met why his new girlfriend, and I was like, oh,
what's her name? She's an actress? And you know, I'm
like oh, And I remember googling you and the picture
that came up on a boat. The picture that came
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up was one that later Meredith told me about because
she had gotten this spray tan and I remember looking
at this picture and I was going like, okay, okay,
she looks like and I was like, all right, like
it's you know, she's really cute. She's a little like
it's a very rang orange strong tanner.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
And felt like I thought I looked so hot that
night that I s I was like.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I love that. When I when I had to like
go and try to find it, like those were the
pictures that came up, and it was like, oh god,
it just that was my favorite thing ever. Okay, mothers,
let's talk about being mommies. Now years go by, we
are now all family, which people sometimes are like your family,
your sister in laws. It's so crazy because you guys
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all look like sisters, look like sisters and special. I'd
love to get into like some mothers, some like you know,
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some some parenting.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Style, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
I feel like we all have very different parenting styles.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
I feel like I'm still new enough as a mom
where I'm like, is this a style?
Speaker 1 (26:14):
I am?
Speaker 4 (26:15):
What's the style here?
Speaker 5 (26:17):
I just survival survival happiness is. Kate was like, I
don't even know what were you when you had Rider
twenty four? Yeah, so literally a baby having a baby.
But what's interesting is you and I had our babies
kind of right together, so you're thrown into this like
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toddler and a newborn and the craziness. And Kate like
elegantly had these like seven years apart, so she was
like a different mom to each kid.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
That's such a cool way of looking at it.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
It's so cool and like the evolution of who you've
become as a mother is so amazing. And I think
that's the beauty of it, you know, because sometimes you're like,
do you have.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Babies close together? It's good for the kids, ba ba bah.
But again my positive outlook on at all interesting.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
Yeah, each kid, I mean, you know had this like
kind of real one on one time, which is beautiful.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
And you got to evolve.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
I mean you were in your twenties with Rider, literally
your thirties basically with Bang and Ronnie you know now
in forties. But also just the evolution of what you
learn from each kid, what changes in the world of parenting,
and then also just having the two boys and then.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Getting the girl which we both have, which we.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
Both have, and we're gonna we're gonna manifest the little
baby girl.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
So we have the two boys and the girls family so.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Well obviously probably have a boy. So we'll just we're gonna.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
But I do think if you look back, that's what
I said. And you know, it was time to find
out what it was. I was like, it's fine if
it's a boy. And then I was like, no, it's
not the same thing. I like pregnant. I'm like, wait
a minute, if this is a boy, it actually I'll
have a moment of tears, tears like I will. And
then if the course you love it, it's like, yeah,
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like you love the baby. You know, five boys and
be hit me. Like two months into my pregnancy, I
was like, oh.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
So mine hit is another boy. So we went for
the third. You know our story, like the first two
we didn't try. It was just very lucky. It got
pregnant third one, and I was like, I'm going to
be forty are we doing this?
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Should wait? Blah blah blah, Let's go for it. Did
a few like things to try, you know, time of
the month and this and that whatever, and.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
My doctor was like, just make sure you want a
third kid, actually think about having a boy. Do you
want three boys? And I was like, I actually do
because I like being a boy. Mom, you're the only
want girl.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Like, it's just great.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
I was like, okay, he goes, because I don't care
what you do and what you try, you're you know
what I mean, there's a very good chance you're gonna
have a third boy.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Don't do this because you want the girl. And I
was like, yeah, no, not at all.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
And then I thought to myself, I really want a
girl for Allie, okay, because like, I'm so close with
my dad.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
I think he would be such an amazing girl. Dad
this and that. That's when it started to creep up.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
So I was like, it's just a little thought in
the back of my head, but I was prepared for
the boy. I remember I peed on the stick to
see if I was pregnant. The two lines popped up,
and I was like.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Oh fuck, I hope it's a girl. I had this
like wave of emotion.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
Oh my god, it's already done, like we already, it's happened,
it's it's figured out, it's already done.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
There's nothing else I can do. And it was in
that first real wave where I admitted to myself.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Yeah, oh my god, I kind of My doctor was right,
I'll be devastating. And I told him and I was like,
it worked, and he goes, did it didn't really?
Speaker 1 (29:56):
He's like, you never know.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
He's like, you can think it did, and he's like,
but really is that just left to nature?
Speaker 1 (30:02):
But but it's so funny because like our parents, I think
our parenting styles are very different to go back to
like oh yeah, you know, sure, And but Aaron and
I have a very similar thing, which is we're super
anxious when it comes to the kids doing it. Like
Aaron and I like when they were like bmxing, we'd
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we would.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Like hide in each other's necks, like don't look, don't look,
oh god.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Dirt bike skateboarding. Like it's like I go into the kitchen,
We're just like, okay, I have to leave this area,
make a martini, and yeah, try to ignore that they're
doing things that are always.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Said that, like she has the musical kids, and I
was like, I just want my boys to like play
an instrument and be in a band because.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
They're gonna be nice and safe playing the clarinet instead
they're like, yeah, they're like doing office trail.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
I mean, Aaron playing the clarinet.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Oh god, but you get what you're like supposed to have.
But Mayor, like, you know, then I see Mayor with
her kids and they're like, you know, like climbing up
the bed and they're like climbing on the concrete.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Just constant mental mathematics and this might be fun. So
my thing is can you die from this?
Speaker 6 (31:30):
And if the answer is yes, I get fucking so anxious.
So like I get really anxious about like car seats.
I get anxious about pools. I can't even anyone want
to buy a house with the pool. I get crazy
if I can only if my brain goes to broken bone,
twisted ankle, splinter.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
All if there's a splinter, we're out.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
You.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
I like, what wrong?
Speaker 4 (31:59):
I know, like back can happen.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
I am like I will wake up in the middle
of then I panicked, like choking, like batteries, blueberries, popcorn,
like the things that pop it in my head.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
But I just yeah, I don't I.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Don't know that. I was really proud of myself as
a sister in law because I literally I just showed
Aaron this video of me like bird feeding Ronnie and
I was eating, well really she was eating from my mouth,
which was even funnier because I'm amazating my food and
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she was just going right like a monk, like a monkey.
She's going right into my mouth, taking my food and
eating it from my mouth. And I was like, this
is very this is this is kind of gross. But
I literally like bird fed my kids. I mushed everything.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
You haven't choking. We all have our triggers choking. The
biggest one is the choky, but yeah, it does that.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
You do the self, the baby livating, and I literally
like my court is all level roll level, like I
can't be back like Booney. I'm like, oh my god,
I can piece of chicken or something. And I had
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Boon in my arms of the.
Speaker 6 (33:24):
Day and he anxiously around like the area, and I'm like, well.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
I don't. Everyone everybody has their own thing and right,
but then like Bood, I was with Boon by myself
like don't you want to try then? And he was like,
you know, wanted the app wanted an apple and I
was eating an apple and I was like, oh god,
I'm going to give him an apple. I was like,
oh my god, I'm want to do it. I was like,
I'm going to do it because I can because it's
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not my child, it's their child, and they and they
give him apples and I so I like, cut it up.
I cut him like a piece of apple and I
gave it to him and he's just he's so happy
and he's having the whole thing in his mouth, and
I'm just like having a heart attack. It's so because
I was really proud of myself because I viewed me too.
Baby steps, baby steps. Ronnie's gonna be seven, So yeah,
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she's she she just started solid. I wasn't gonna say
it on air, but now that's out there. Yeah, we've
gone from queam of wheat to oatmeal. It's a big,
big year. But so yeah, so so and then but having.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Boys, I will say a lot of boy moms out
there would agree, you do have to kind of let
him go and let him get hurt.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Allie was so good at that.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
He was such a balance for me where he's like, babe,
they're boys, let him go. And I was like, okay,
I'll be stuck in my misery of being you know, fearful.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Also, I have this theory too, And it is not
a theory.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
It's just what I've found if I'm too no, no, no,
don't do that's about things that aren't that dangerous.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
You're gonna give them anxcity.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
So psycho about like the street and the pool, and
my voice gets firm and I and I just I
have this thing with Buddy where it's like he now
knows this is serious, and this is also something where
it's like, hey, be careful jumping on that. You could
hurt yourself. Is it different than yes?
Speaker 5 (35:26):
And you're not putting it on to them like that's
what I had to learn. I learned that in therapy.
I also learned that when Wilder captured with his bare
hands a tarantula that we brought home in my car,
and I have like pretty much a you're a good
case of arachnophobia.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
And I've never seen anything like you're a ractophobia.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
It's pretty bad.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
And so I had a pet tarantula and Oliver looked
at me and I said, we're not bringing that thing home.
He's like, yes, we are. You're not going to crush
his dreams. He's already named it Harry. So we brought
it home and went to Petco and got you know,
container thing.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
To put it in crickets to feed it.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
We brought it home and I made sure that Locke
like basically could never come off.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
And Allie looked at me and he said, this great thing.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
He goes, don't transfer your you know, fear of spiders
onto the kids.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
He's a little boy, like let him be. So then
we had a snake that ended up dying, which was
not our fault because I was being very good about it,
but it was quite sick and it was so I
took it to the snake the place and he's like, yeah,
it's not very well, Like, we'll give you another snake.
We got another, same snake, another snake, and then one
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day I woke up and the snake was gone. It
was in Rider's room. Snake gone, and it got into
the house, it got out out. We have no idea
where Claudia, have you no idea that snake could be
living in the air ducks And you still don't know,
absolutely no idea. You were like, we have no idea?
(37:15):
Isn't it delayed response on my part? Yeah, like what
I like, I didn't realize what was going on. And
then oh, that's funny.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
Yeah, so bad.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
You guys.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
It's I have never found.
Speaker 6 (37:32):
I never found like you're always constantly Probably is that
the kind of thing that like once every month pops
into your.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Head like yeah, of course, and I mean it's probably
I'm I'm assuming would be dead by now because you
to figure it out, dude or yeah. But I also
was like had to tell writerer. I was like, honey
that this one got sick too, and I had to
take it back because I didn't want to say like
he got out and could be in your room somewhere
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and pop, and so I just and then every night
before I would go to bed, I'd be like, what
if the snake like you know, you're those crazy stories
where like it strangles the so so then I started, yeah,
so I put like snake try. It was the whole thing,
but we got through it, and for sure, he's twenty one.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
I got through it.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
We're gonna would just wait.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
We had like get gos snakes, Ranchela's I don't know what, buddy,
and then it was you do that's right, that's right.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
I'm like, it's one of my sexiest qualities.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Yeah, I just want to.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Say you're both such good moms.
Speaker 6 (38:41):
You guys be moms because there's not there's so many
like nuanced depths to the experience of motherhood and new
motherhood that like I'm only now feel like I'm processing
feeling and I've started just having such a love and respect,
especially for you guys in the moms in my life
that really do inspire me. And like nobody ever talks
(39:04):
about being a mom is like embracing your unique gifts
as a human being and just being that for your kids.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
Like watching U Kate.
Speaker 6 (39:15):
This last like Eastern Time, and like I just felt
like you're so in your You're such this like authentic
I was telling you this, but this like authentic place,
and watching your kids and this beautiful family that you've
built that's like messy and complicated and gorgeous and fun
and just like felt like everything was like clicked in
this really and just watching you be so authentically you
(39:39):
and then sharing that with your kids and creating magic
that's not like homogenized magic or like some idea of
motherhood that you feel like you need to like be
You're you, and your nice is that gift to your kids.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
And it's the same with you, it's like either of
you have lost It's like my favorite thing to talk
about right now because I feel so in it with
the baby so little, but like, I.
Speaker 6 (40:07):
Just love watching each of you be fucking yourself and
like that's like to be fucking yourself.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
You know, it's funny you're saying this because I was
just talking about this being you know, when you go
through these different stages of your kid's life, right, So
it's like you have you're in the sort of you know,
baby toddler years, and then you have the teen years,
and then you know, then you have the adulthood. And
(40:37):
the thing that I've noticed is that you want them.
You're this unique thing is really only seen by them
when they get older, because you want them to want
a different kind of like as much as they love you, Like,
(40:58):
it's actually a very human respect bonds for children to
be like, oh, that life looks interesting. Oh, but what
about those people over there that's an interesting life too,
Like it's actually good for them to look outside of
the family to experience something else. And sometimes they kind
of reject you because they want to go discover something new, right,
(41:19):
And that's a super normal response to like teenage years
and when they're growing and individuating. Then they get to
be twenty one. Like Rider, they get to be older
and they get to reflect and start their young adult
life of like what do I want to be? Who
do I And then they get to really see you.
(41:41):
And that's when you go like, oh, wait, I think
I did a good job. He likes me, you know,
he liked his childhood. True.
Speaker 5 (41:53):
It's really interesting in the moment and just going on
that right, you're going off instinct. You know, you might
be nowadays there's so many podcasts and things and you
can learn, but really you're learning just like kids do
by watching. So you see your mom, friends, you know,
you see your family, people that had kids before you.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
And you're like, ooh, I want to do it like that,
or oh I don't know if I would do that.
Speaker 5 (42:19):
You know, you're kind of soaking it all in as
you go, but then you're thrown into the fire and
sometimes the plan that you think you know, the way
you're going to mother our parent goes, you know, completely
off the tracks due to who your kid is and
so adapting to kind of who your child is and
still being able to be kind of you know, who
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you are. It's interesting and each kid is going to
be different and kind of challenge you in those different ways.
But on our end, I mean you're looking at us
right because you're in it right now, and you're like, wow, okay,
two people to look up to and kind of their
children and who they are, and we parents are not
very different.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Amazing, but we look back.
Speaker 5 (43:05):
I mean, you're still in it obviously, Ronnie is still
you know, little, but I can look so fondly and
say talk about doing things instinctually and authentically. I mean
that is you to the core. You are like so
just naturally, like an incredible mom. And I'm going to
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sing your praises right now because I think it's true.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
But you are who you are.
Speaker 5 (43:29):
You're an amazing boy mom because you are all about
adventure and all about kind of you know, creating joy,
which is who you are in your real life. Like
when you when Wyatt came home telling us about you.
The first moment it was this girl that I can't
describe it. I just want to be around her. Yeah,
(43:51):
and he he is somebody who's you know, kind of
more internal. I mean maybe obviously not with the family.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
But he should talk about are good ten minutes just
to like make incredibly uncomfortable. Exactly why, Russell, he was
walking down the street with you. He's an avenger. Now
he has to be more open. This is true. He's
got to get ready. You have to get ready.
Speaker 4 (44:14):
By the way, he wants to go on.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Oh good finally. Anyways, my point was he was like,
I want to be around her. She's magnetic.
Speaker 5 (44:24):
And you pulled him in to do karrieok, like walking
down a street on a bar. Yeah, and we were like,
she was like, let's go, let's go to karaoke. He's like, no, spontaneous,
doesn't feel like wyat going in and doing like karaoke
in a bar.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (44:38):
But there he was, and he's like, I'm doing all
this because I wanted. She makes me want to do it, right,
So that's who you are, and that's who you are
for us, right, You're fun there.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
You also said to me before we met you too,
was that he was like, she I know I know her,
like I know this person. This is familiar familiar to me.
And he was just like, you're gonna love her like
I remember him. When you're gonna you're gonna love.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
Well now, Kate.
Speaker 6 (45:08):
It's so funny because I feel so close to you now,
especially after the fire, and like that it is this
weird thing where you're like, wow, I would be really
good friends.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
We would be great friends even if I wasn't, and
you too, Aaron. It's so fucking lucky to feel that.
Speaker 6 (45:26):
I mean, it's so rare where I'm like wow, Like
there's times where I'm like, oh yeah, like wow, it's.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
So bad great and all, it's like the best. I'm
so I'm so grateful that my brothers were so swart.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
Loves fire right now.
Speaker 6 (45:44):
But I also think that like it's I don't know,
there's so much about motherhood that I don't know. I
was so scared I didn't have My sister obviously doesn't
have kids, and I I didn't hadn't.
Speaker 4 (45:55):
Been around babies ever almost real and bang where the.
Speaker 6 (45:59):
Two little kids that I had been around, and they
made me so excited and watching you guys be mothers.
But also like it is so singular, it's your own
experience and I just wasn't prepared for how like healing
it is.
Speaker 4 (46:11):
And I get to kind of like this like reparenting
intentional that.
Speaker 6 (46:16):
You also are like there is no right, like, there's
no doing it right. There's just this desire to love
my kids and not.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
I don't know. I also don't think there's enough like
cultural narrative around.
Speaker 6 (46:31):
And it's easy to say this when you're privileged and
you have access to childcare.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
Which is a really big thing.
Speaker 6 (46:37):
Like I wouldn't be able to be shooting this right
now if I didn't have like an amazing nanny Gaga
who was both you guys like helping me, like she
has my kids right now. I can go to work
and be with you guys and keep my meanness when
I need to tap into that.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
Like, but nobody talks about how fucking fun it is,
like they're so fun.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
To have kids. It's not. So here's what I'll say.
Speaker 5 (47:07):
I look back in fondness, as I started to say before,
because I wasn't.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
Having as much fun as you are. And I look
and I'm like, god, damn it, if I could go back, Well,
that's because of your anxiety, anxiety, sleep, anxiety.
Speaker 5 (47:21):
Yeah, it's just you know, it was just a different time.
But I look back at you and I'm like, oh
my god, you have I wasn't so much fun that.
Speaker 4 (47:27):
You was a baby because I was so nervous, like
am I doing it right?
Speaker 1 (47:30):
Is this what to do?
Speaker 6 (47:31):
And then even eating all that stuff and I'm like
can we die, Like let's have some fun exactly I was.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
I was like I took writer, I had writer.
Speaker 5 (47:42):
I started your free spirit vibe. That transferred into being
a free spirit mom. Even though you were so strict,
very strict, and very very tough, you still had that
free spirit of like, let's go, let's travel. Like you
didn't stay super structured, you know what I mean. You
were like especially like.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
You know, more like mayor yes, in the fact that
we would I would travel and take the kids everywhere.
I never went. I don't go anywhere without my kids. Yeah.
I still am sort of like that. I kind of yeah,
it's not.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
It's not natural to want to. I mean, it's like
it's you. They're your cubs.
Speaker 5 (48:17):
You.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
Yeah, I'm like what am I doing? Every time I'm
away everyone's in a while with with Danny, like when
we have a trip together, I feel like we need it.
Like I was like, oh wow, that feels really nice.
But when I'm not, after like three or four days,
I'm like, what am I doing? All I want to
do is be with my kids. You know, what is
(48:47):
the most challenging thing for you as a parent If
you could I know there's a lot, but if you
could really take like like almost like in a relationship
where there's like a core issue, what is that core
thing for you as a as a mom? That is
the most challenging. For me.
Speaker 6 (49:05):
It's like the constant just me feeling like it's my
job to manage my emotions and like be in the
like parenting myself along with my kids, which I know
is because it is like there's moments where you want
to I don't. I want to be in possession of
(49:26):
my emotions and I want them to not feel like
they're responsible for my feelings.
Speaker 4 (49:33):
And so that is really hard and really challenging.
Speaker 6 (49:36):
And that is actually when I've been to like Martyr,
I don't need help, I need to do it by myself.
That's when it starts to get harder and wear on me.
And that's something that I find challenging. But in the
challenge is such a fucking geese And it's so like
(50:00):
I love anything that that's making you grow, you know, I.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
Love that answer.
Speaker 4 (50:05):
I cannot about you.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
I feel the same, So I totally agree.
Speaker 5 (50:09):
I would say, I would say, you know, you're so
in the thick of it, so to even be able
to be aware of that is incredible. Again, another thing
that I think is amazing about you just in this
motherhood journey.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
You're so present.
Speaker 5 (50:24):
But I would say I battle a little bit of
not wanting to put my ans you know, like anxiety
or you know, that kind of stuff onto them. And
I find obviously Oliver was an incredible balance with that,
but I do it with humor. I try to be
aware of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
But it is a challenge. Like with the boys, and
they do risky things.
Speaker 5 (50:51):
So like obviously you know, they're downhill mountain bike and
going off of jumps, They're riding you know, motorcycle, dirt bikes, skiing,
I mean, they're fucking crazy skiers, all of that kind
of stuff, right, But also just in life, I want
them to be aware, you know, and so just you know,
(51:13):
trying to do that, I think without making them so nervous.
I want them to go off and do all of
those things and not hold them back. But I would
say that's my biggest job. Yeah, I agree with that too.
It's like I also feel like too. It's like the
more you trust them, the more they trust themselves.
Speaker 1 (51:31):
And I always say, I trust you guys. It's usually
either mother nature or other people around them that you
don't trust, but I do. I don't know, I mean
other people. I don't see other people.
Speaker 5 (51:44):
Yeah, because, like you know, in therapy or whatever, I learned,
as long as you have kind of instilled in them
the information and the safety that they need to know,
right if it's little kids crossing a street, if it's
the boys and they have on their helmets and they
know what to do and urgency blah blah blah, then
you gotta let them go.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
It's just seems really like you controlling your fears exactly
being and yeah, yep, I love that too.
Speaker 5 (52:09):
I relate to all or even just like say having
a girl too, Like with Rio, There'll be certain things
where I'm like, by your tongue, like just I'm not
want to fix things for them, the girl and like
well also just not even getting into the girl. That
could be a whole nother podcasts daughters, but not wanting
to fix something right or doing it like sometimes I
(52:30):
want to, you know, fix something because I see it
in a certain way, but she loves.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
It in that way, and I'm like, just let her
love it that way. It's beautiful. So I'm a little
more conscious.
Speaker 5 (52:40):
I think of what's my feeling or opinion that I'm
going to put off on them, and trying to let
them just have their own and let it be, you
know not.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
I asked the question, and then I'm trying to think
of what my corrior thing is. I don't have an answer,
but if I was to just kind of go off
the top of my head, I would say my core
challenge is a mother would be to not feel like
I have to take it all on. Like I have
a tendency to feel like I can do everything. I
(53:14):
can be the mom, I can be the dad. I
can organize, I can I can structure, I can be
their best friend. I could be there. I could be there,
you know, parent and disciplinarian. And it really hit me
(53:34):
most in COVID because I realized that I had this
like almost like type a mothering thing where it was
like I just have to do everything and then and
then the challenge is then not being upset when I
feel like I'm doing everything. It's like so it's like
(53:57):
I bring it on myself, right, and then I get
upset because I feel like I don't have the help
or the support, even though I have a great partner.
And it's my biggest challenge is to like actually just
let sometimes it go go and like not be a perfect.
Speaker 4 (54:18):
Moment, not all that important all the time.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
Yeah, Like it's okay if like you know, yes exactly,
and it's okay if someone forgot to make Ronnie's lunch
and I forgot to do it and you know, someone else.
It's like there's moments where I think, because I'm so like,
I function at a certain kind of level which might
not be normal.
Speaker 4 (54:42):
I've never seen anything like it.
Speaker 1 (54:44):
But it's like, okay, if like I say that, like
it sounds like I'm some sort of up type person.
Really I'm actually not. But but I do have this
thing where I just always feel like I like I'm
carrying everything and I I think that that's something I
do to myself. I don't think that's something that other
people are doing to me. And and and so it's
(55:07):
like that's the thing you've learned to let that go,
I would say, even just with Ronnie, oh yeah, not
a little bit more oh much change so much in
the last like five years for.
Speaker 4 (55:17):
Surely, Well, it's also a desire. It's like it's hard
to feel like if you've got fifty things, the amount
of stuff I watch you juggle.
Speaker 6 (55:26):
Kate between career and companies and family, and I mean
it's crazy. I feel like I etch out my small
little chunk and that's all I can handle because I
because I don't know, I honestly don't know how you
do it.
Speaker 4 (55:42):
But it's true.
Speaker 6 (55:42):
It's like I'm sure it feels like if one thing falls,
then the whole thing will drop.
Speaker 4 (55:48):
And then realize I'm like, wait, no, this can.
Speaker 1 (55:51):
Be for that's the thing. It works, She's good at it,
she knows how to do it.
Speaker 5 (55:54):
It's just having actually the ability to kind of reflect
a little and say, you know what, like maybe if
I let that go, it's going to make it easier
for me and everyone else around me.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
And like and like, I think I overcompensate with wanting
to be there for the kids and do everything for
the kids, just based on my own childhood, the fact
that you know, my situation with my father, the fact
that Go Go was you know, worked a lot when
we were kids, and wasn't there as much as sometimes
I wanted her to be there, and and so so
(56:29):
it's like I do all these things, but then I
want to be everything for my kids and do everything.
Speaker 2 (56:35):
And sometimes I just need to like like not be
kids they want to be, Like, it's okay right to
like not go.
Speaker 4 (56:47):
Go.
Speaker 5 (56:48):
Look, we all take things from our childhood, which is
a perfect example of I think why both you and
Oliver are like that you do not want to be
away from your kids. That is literally due to kind
of part of your childhood. And there was amazing things
about you childhood, and then there was more hard thing,
harder things, but you kind of learn your parenting style
and you're gonna take away things we're gonna you know,
(57:09):
from our parents.
Speaker 6 (57:10):
Also, the balance that I'm finding is like impossible. It's
like this elusive idea, Like I don't know what balance is.
I'd love to meet the person that finds it. I
find like momentary feelings of today we from between twelve
and three, the balance struck.
Speaker 1 (57:30):
I love you guys. This has been so much fun.
What is the Mother's day plan?
Speaker 6 (57:38):
Fly that I think I can fly back from Vancouver
because I'm not I'm going to bring the kids and
come back for like five days.
Speaker 4 (57:45):
Yes it, I'll be together. What are you guys doing?
Speaker 1 (57:48):
Are we gonna Well, we were gonna go to the desert.
We were going to go and vacate together away, but everybody, yeah,
were Weirdly, we're going to It's early summer in Europe,
so we're leaving the kids. Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (58:12):
I feel like there was so much more we could discuss.
We need like a part two Mother's Day moms and
sister in laws.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
Well, hopefully we'll all be together. My favorite mothers in
the world. I love you so much, the best time.
Send pictures you know you and your little baby boys
love you beautiful
Speaker 4 (58:33):
The kids fa yay, so bad
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