October 6, 2025 • 54 mins
Indie-pop band 'Lucius' joins the revelry, and they're hitting all the right notes! From their early days in Brooklyn, to bringing babies on tour, the singers reveal their secrets to staying in harmony on and off stage. Plus, a Sibling Revelry Exclusive! Listen to their new single "Thick as Thieves" HERE and NOW before they debut it to the world!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
We wanted to do something that highlighted our.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are
a sibling.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Railvalr No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth, revelry.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
That's good, Ollie, this is me. I'm so excited right now.
I know you are because I'm obsessed with these ladies.
I love them. They're so brilliant, they're so beautiful. They're
the most incredible voices. They're beautiful songwriters. They're uh have
(00:58):
been around since she thousand and seven. They were formed
in Brooklyn. They work with everybody from Harry Styles to
War on Drugs to Brandy Carlow and then they've really
like made a name for themselves and I just literally
they are an obsession of mine. And it's Lucius Holly
(01:19):
I think you pronounce it Lasig and Jess Wolf and
they gave us exclusively their new single, Thickest Thieves, for
people to listen to only on our podcast downloadable right
yep on our podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
For the two days after right, we'll get through the
interview and then we're going to play it.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Then we're going to play it. Yeah, and I'm so
and you've never you never knew them, and I.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Kind of getting myself, you know, up to speed. Obviously.
I heard their single incredible, and then you have been
sort of giving me songs to listen to them, and
they're amazing. I mean, adding to my playlist for sure
without a doubt.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Yeah, I'm I'll be fangirling this whole interview.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
And I have like, I love the harmonies a lot, like, oh, well,
that's what they do, beautiful, juste cerial.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
You know.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
It's also like for girls. I think they're just their
whole vibe is the best. Anyway, let's let's get into it.
And I can't wait to meet them.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Hello, Hi, hi, Hi, Hey, Oh welcome.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I'm so happy and excited that you're on the show
on our on our podcast.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Thank you for having us.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Where are you right now?
Speaker 1 (02:45):
We're in my little casita in the back of my
house in Silver Lake.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Oh so you're in La Yeah? Oh cool? Do you
both live here? I don't know why I thought you
guys lived in Nashville.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I was splitting time in Nashville.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I did a show called Nashville in Nashville. I was Oh, yeah,
so I lived there for a couple of years as well.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I'm friends with Cali.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Oh you are yeah, CALLI t Bone.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
We're actually going to record with t Bone tonight.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
You are Oh fun, amazing.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
I was just with the guy who mixes for tea bone. Yeah,
maybe Zach Zach Dog. I don't know. I was doing
I was doing something at the village and there was
a guy in there and he was saying he was
mixing something for tea bone.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Maybe maybe maybe it could have been Zach. But he's
my neighbor and uh my, my, my Hebrew school boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Stop it.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Where did you grow up?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
I grew up in the valley.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
In the valley, and you and I grew up in Cleveland.
In Cleveland, Wow, it's very different than the valley.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
I remember going to Cleveland for the first time on
tour with my ex husband and I was like twenty
one years years old, and we showed up to a
mall where the hotel was so like, you're in the
mall and then all I wanted to do is like
something and I went down. I was like, what's there
to do? And the guy the concierge was like, ah,
(04:15):
like not like you could go bowling, And I was like.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Bowling was a big, a big pastime.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yeah, and so we went bowling and fun. It was fun,
It was fun.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
It was I was having a bit of a renaissance. Yeah,
like renaissance might be a little okay, that's but there's
like a little bit of a food scene, arts scene, now, yeah,
a couple of That's what happens when things are really boring.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Well, how does how does the valley meet Cleveland? How
does that? That seems like worlds away?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
At school in Boston, yeah, you know all the way. Yeah, yeah,
so you guys been in school.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
Yeah, we went to Berkeley College of Music.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Okay, of course you did.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I have like I have, I have a secret like
and like of envy it every I've worked with so
many people who have gone to the Berkeley at this point,
and I'm like, it just feels like the best musicians
come out of that college.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
You know.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
It was all about community. So I think both of
us felt a lack of community early in our early years,
and so when we went to school, it was like
the first time we had a place where there were
like minded kids and it was just so nice to
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create and to share ideas and explore things, and and
that was that was the real I think gift of Berkeley. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
I mean I remember like coming from you know, my
town in Ohio, and I.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
Coming to Berkeley.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
In the first couple of days, like the first day
in the it felt like to me that that blind
Melon video where she the little bee finds all finally
at the end.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah, the best video ever.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Video.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah, Well, do you still work with people from that
you went to school with?
Speaker 1 (06:23):
I mean we still have a bunch of close friends
and our bandmates all went to Berkeley.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Wow, sort of by accident because we weren't We didn't
form together with them until we were in New York.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
But so wait, you go to Berkeley and you're walking
down the hall and you just like kind of high
five and you're like, let's let's do this exactly.
Speaker 6 (06:44):
We had matching outfits off.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
You know, how do you find each other? How how
does one find each other? Generally?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Give us like genesis, Like what was the what was
the first time you met?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
The first time we met. I don't know that. I
I don't know that I remember the very first time.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
Yeah, I think you came into our room. Maybe I
don't remember for sure, but you were friends.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
My my first friend at school was Holly's roommate, and
we were in the same orientation group. And she's a
wild girl, and I remember her sharing things with me
that I had I feel like I had never even
known about, let alone.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Wait, this is the roommate. Yeah, yeah, oh.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I'm going to be friends with this one. And then yeah,
I can't remember, but we somehow ended up all hanging
out in their room, like cooking on Holly's rice cooker. Yeah,
and the rest was history.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Did you study did you study instrument or was it
just vocals?
Speaker 6 (07:58):
It was vocal?
Speaker 5 (07:59):
Vocal was our instrument at school, Okay, And then I
guess I didn't have panel flash at Berkeley.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
But I'm I'm so curious because you have at Berkeley.
You've got just a ton of musicians spanning all different
the spectrum of music, right. And then it's the community
is big, it's real. There's so much opportunity to fall
in with someone or a group or something that is
going to sort of propel you or launch you or
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inspire you. And like for you guys to have found
each other, what was the thing you know? It's like
are you making rice? And all of a sudden you're
like and then it's like, wow, like this works.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeah, that's sort of us in a nutshell. I mean,
we started talking about our musical upbringings and the music
really that our dads would play for us.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
And what were those what was it old school.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Soul music, Sam Cook, Roy Orbison, like the oldies channels.
We both were sort of old souls, and so we
decided to get together and do a white album cover show,
a girl group version of the white album, which never happened.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I love that idea.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, it would be cool. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
We started working on Happiness as a warm gun, and
then we just sort of pivoted and started writing our
own songs.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
And it wasn't like any particular plan or vision or
goal end goal in mind. We just kept getting together
after that point and started writing our own music and
booking little shows.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
And obviously your guys's voice, I mean, you know, because
that's your instrument in your ear that the second you
start singing together, it's like, hmm, did you sell?
Speaker 1 (09:59):
I think there amazing moment when we got in the
studio for the first time and recorded and you know,
we both wanted to be lead singers, but we wanted
to be lead singers together, and you know, we didn't
want to just do harmonies or just trade off versus
or something. And we were thinking about some of our
favorite sort of recordings Elliott Smith and Phil Spector, The
(10:23):
Wall of Sound, and a lot of these recordings doubled
double track vocals, so we were like, oh, well, we
could just do that live.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
I would think that you guys would have had that
kind of moment where you were like, you know, this
sounds amazing, because then for those who don't know that,
listen in our podcast. You've also I mean you've sang
with so many people and have collaborated with so many
musicians and just like make everything they do sound great.
(10:55):
I personally, like, I find myself falling in love with
music that I don't know you're on, and and you're
on it like I don't live here anymore. I cover that.
I love covering that song. I love that song, such
a great song. But then you're on that and then
you know, dance Around It was like, I mean I
(11:17):
knew that was your song, but dance around it is
like Ronnie and I as theme song in life, my
daughter and and uh, and so just you guys, And
it ranges from I mean your everything you do range,
it has so much range. And and I love the
new single. I'm so excited that you're allowing us to,
(11:41):
you know, give it an exclusive play and and but
I mean it started Okay, so you guys you met
in Berkeley, then you went to New York and O
seven and what was so what was your first big break?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (11:58):
Yeah, I think nbr's Tiny Desk was that was kind
of the first. Well we had written.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
Bob Boyle and like before that a couple of times.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
Right, Yeah, we had sent him like handwritten letters and
burned CDs and then he finally, you know, got in
touch with us, and we did a Tiny Desk And
that was the first time that we started playing shows
where people that like weren't related to us.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
Showed up and we were like, what's happening here?
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Wow, you're singing along?
Speaker 6 (12:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (12:35):
Yeah, And so so that felt that really feels like
probably the biggest break, and people still bring it up
even though.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
It was stages ago. Yeah, look back and feel like
baby's doing that.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yeah, I'm like, why did we wear bows in our hair?
Why did we do that to ours?
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Oh my god? Where? How long were you in New York?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
We were in New York for eight years?
Speaker 6 (13:02):
Yeap.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
And it was really fun. It was it felt like
and I'm sure everyone feels that way about when they're
when they're living in New York, but at the time,
it felt like there was just there was a certain
magic happening, like hmm, well, I remember like going all
the jazz clubs. I mean on the weekly. We lived
with a couple of jazz musicians as well, but we
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just go from from room to room and hear you know,
Jon Batiste and Chris Dave and Robert Glasper And this
was before they were the versions of themselves that you
know now.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yeah, that time I was living in New York then,
like the early aughts, and so is my partner Danny,
and they had a band of Chief and there was
just this like vibe happening in New York that was
like the Cabin, remember the Cabin the club. It was
like you go down there in every musician that you
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just either loved or were discovering would be there until
like four in the morning. Yeah, it was such a
it was such a great time for music.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
It really was. Yeah, and we took it for granted
because that's what you do. But we we I mean
took it for granted. I shouldn't say that we immersed ourselves,
but we didn't know.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
How much of a moment it was was, you know, until.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Until you're gone.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Oh yeah. I remember seeing Jack White. I remember seeing
the White Stripes at Bowie Ballroom when everyone was like
clamoring over them to sign them and and or or
deciding I wouldn't even say clamoring, just deciding whether they
were going to sign them or not. And I had
a friend that was at Virgin and we went to
Bowerie and saw it and it was so fucking great.
(14:56):
And I was like, you're an idiot if you don't
sign this band, like yeah, and they were like these
like Detroit kids that just were, you know, hopping around
getting bigger and bigger. It was like that. It's just
that that energy around that time was just have It
was awesome. It doesn't exist there anymore like that, or
(15:16):
it doesn't feel.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Like unless there's a new younger, I mean, probably we're
out of touch.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Well no, because my son's at n y U. He's
there and it really doesn't. It doesn't have the same
it's not for that for music, it's not it's not
the same.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Like do you think it's the rise of like ed
M and more of an electronic vibe or this new
sort of era of hip hop? You know, Like what
is it that you think?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
You know?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Why do you think that that's.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Everyone's making music in there?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Right, it's it's also really like live music is these venues,
Like I think it's expensive, like this idea that we're.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Going because they're just listening or watching elsewhere. I mean
there was the need for community. Yeah, I think communities
made our entire careers. Yeah, I think that's like you.
I mean, like you said, singing on other people's tracks
or you know, going on tour with whomever, building a
network in New York, Like, I don't know, just I
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feel like we'd be nothing without everyone.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah. Now, what was your first big tour probby Jack Waye?
Speaker 6 (16:34):
Yeah, that was probably our first in Europe.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Yeah, that was like our first arena tour.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Fun, how do you how does that work out? You
just get the call, Hey, we want you guys on
the bill, simple as that.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah, I mean the basic label again like this is
you know, friends of friends of friends, but the basis
Dominic was friends. His wife was a childhood friend of
our old guitar player, and he they had heard our
record and passed it on to Jack and you know,
invited us, invited us out something like that. Yeah. I
(17:12):
think before that we had done some like van tours
with like JD. McPherson, and that was our first, our
first first real tour.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
What was your first big burnout, like get me the
fuck off the road, Like do you remember the moment
we were like I can't do I can't I mean,
I know, I don't even play music, and I had
that like being married to one. I was like I'm
gonna go crazy.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
I think.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Well, on Wilder Woman, our first record, we toured relentlessly
and we were driving ourselves in a van and we
did radio shows in the morning, like we drive overnight
and then do a radio show at seven in the
morning and then get to the venue. And we were
so how many we had like two non consecutive weeks
off that entire year, and the end of the year
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we were in Europe and I remember like walking the
streets of Paris just like a zombie being like.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I'm in Paris, why are you enjoying this?
Speaker 6 (18:13):
We were just so tired.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah, although I have a baby and go on tour
and it's a whole new level of exhaustion.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Oh my god, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I was.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Crazy. I mean, very tour story, but I'll share it.
You guys will appreciate this. Chris was headlining Bonaroo and
and Rider was a year and change and got a
one hundred and five fever where he started to become lethargic. No, no, no,
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I had to take him to the Nashville Children's Hospital,
get him on a thing. I didn't know what was
going on. He'd take X rays I had. He was
on an ivy. Chris had to get to bonn Aerou,
so he took one bus. I had the other bus.
I am then now going back. Finally we left. Now
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I'm going to bonn Aerou with a sick baby. And
then and then he starts getting sick again and throwing
up everywhere, and I'm calling the doctor and I'm like,
I just was like, I just wanted to be homeless,
Like guys want to get home. I'm on the bus
in the middle of like, cause Bonnarou obviously he's a
little bit outside of Nashville. And finally I called the doctor.
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He's like, his fever's probably breaking. He's going to be okay.
And we finally landed at Bonnaroo, and Rider was finally
like calmed down and watching something on the bus, and
I just got outside and I looked out at this festival,
which is where everybody's coming to like celebrate and have
a great time and party and have fun. And I
was just like, get me off the road, Get me
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off the road with the baby. It's so hard. I
can't even imagine what it's like for you having to
then go. So I hope that never happens to you
on your way to bonn Row.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
It probably will.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
How old is your baby now?
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Mine is ten months?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
And we've been on the road since eight weeks. Wow,
he's he's thank god. He is so social. Never met
a stranger.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
He didn't like, he's a road baby.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
He yeah. Although the sleep, uh, you know, magically, we
get on tour and he won't sleep through the night,
and I'm like, come on, just like wait till we
get home for that. So I.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Feel like I feel like it's just better to sleep
with the baby because then they sleep better.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
You know, he won't sleep in my bed. Really, he
wants his own space. He's an independent man.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
How does that feel for you? I mean eight weeks
and you were I mean that's hard, that's like distinct.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
And I had a I had a C section.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Oh stop. So you're six weeks of basically not really
to do anything, and two weeks later you're not You're singing.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Oh yeah, I wasn't. I know, I wasn't recovered. I'm
still not recovered. Yeah, it was. It was too soon.
It was too soon, but you know, okay, it was.
It was special because the year before at the same festival,
we played Brandy Carlisle's festival festival in Mexico, and she's
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a dear friend, and the year before I had a
miscarriage at the festival. Wow, So I was wanting to
repair that, change that narrative full cle moment. So I
was sort of determined to be there.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I mean, this isn't pretty cool?
Speaker 3 (22:01):
How did that? How did that feel?
Speaker 1 (22:03):
It felt really powerful? I mean I don't even think
in the moment until we got on stage.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Uh and she brought him out.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I mean, there was like a full symba moment, and yeah,
it felt it felt really healing and necessary. So I
I'm glad we did it. I was exhausted. I'm glad
we did it. And Holly, I mean Holly was eight
months pregnant on tour with a toddler. Yeah, nanny. We
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were hiring a different babysitter in each city. Yeah, maybe the.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Worst guys, you do you get one nanny for the
both of you on.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
The road, DAWs, And we didn't had there was you know,
we were like sharing a bus with everyone, so yeah,
wow in every city and had to re explain everything
every day.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
So but back in the day, I love those guys
when you guys, when you guys were touring, you know,
back in the day. Yeah, were you did you party?
Did you drink? Did you have fun?
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I mean, you know, it's hard to be ahead, well,
I mean for some people. For me, it's hard to
be a heavy drinker and sing, like really sing. So
I I never was a heavy drinker, right, that wasn't my.
That wasn't my.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
But it's just funny to see the the the sort
of from from the beginning of when there's free birds
drinking having fun to now you're on tour with with
babysitters or with children, and it's just a whole fucking
different ball game.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Different ball game. We definitely party, We definitely had fun.
We were NonStop. Yeah, and we didn't know what light ahead.
It's nice.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
You know, no hangovers now.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Yeah, you kind of hangover, no hangover. I still I
feel like, even with kids, I still have hangovers. Yeah
every once in a while.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah from alcohol.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
You're saying, okay, yeah, I still go out like you.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Just had one just this weekend.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
I know, I had a horrible hangover, but I didn't
even drink. Oh. I woke up. I had a martini
and and and and white wine, and then I had
a glass of way whine and I woke up like
I drank a bottle of vodka. It was like, what
the fuck? My brain felt like it was exploding.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
But that's the thing, is like, yeah, the tolerance is
way down now, and I just I can't.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
I mean, I have a couple of beers. I love
a beer beer girl.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
So is Ali's wife. I love beer. I love a
good beer too, like a cold there's only a cold beer,
you know.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
A cold, shitty beer. Honestly, I know like none of
these I pas.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Yes, Aaron loves the I p as.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
I like and like like like.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
A Miller, like a Miller High Life for like a PBR.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
I like like I like a wheat beer beer like a.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Half of Vice.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, like a Vice. And I if I have any alcohol.
Before I start saying I sound awful, I mean it's drying.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
It's really like, I mean you need you need the hydration.
And yeah, we're sent. We get more and more sensitive
as we get a little older. So it's it makes
sense I have to do so much more than I
ever had to do ten years ago.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah. Now, did you both grow up in very musical households?
Speaker 6 (25:37):
Very artistic? I would say we both did.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Some music, like music lovers and there was some music
in my family too, piano players and singers and stuff
like on my dad's side, but in my immediate family
it was there was a lot of visual art and
same with chess. That was another thing that we kind
of connected on.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Yeah, so it shows in your in your whole how
you present yourself, you know, your outfits and how. But
so what did they do my mom is?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I mean, she she's a I wouldn't call her a
painter per se, but she paints and she she's just
an artistic person. She she's worked at the Getty for
twenty eight years since it opened.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Oh wow, cool, I live right near the Getty. I'm
gonna go say hi to her after this.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Anytime you want a tour, she's your.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
She's just kind of an awesome lady. She's she's more
of like an art historian and she's Yeah. So she
always inspired me. And my dad had great taste in music,
so he was the one playing me, you know, tapes
and CDs as a young girl. And you know, he
introduced me to Linda Ronstad and Edna James and Arifa
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and you know Roy Arbison, and I was, I was
doing a lot of listening. He really made me fall
in love with music.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
I mean, my mom was primarily a weaver until we
were little, and then she she was an art teacher
for a while. And my grandfather was a painter and
he was the art director for American Greetings. So both
of my folks worked at American Greetings for for a
while as well.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Oh cool.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Yeah, Cleveland, that's like a weaver is like amazing.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
Ohioan's weave too.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
I love it. I'm like, wow, that might that's so
that makes me so.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Happy, Cleveland, you might be weaving.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
That's gonna go to the tourism board.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
So how do you do your do outfits? Like do
you have like I mean, I'm sure everyone who knows
and loves you wants to know how this rice? Do
you work with stylist? You do yourself?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
I was going to ask them about that too, just
the evolution to of just not just your music, but
you know the aesthetic, Like did that evolve and is
it constantly evolving?
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yeah, it's evolving, like with our you know, we're always
creating a different world dependent on the on the music
that's being written. Really, we wanted to.
Speaker 8 (28:27):
Dress the sounds we had, you know, because we loved
girl groups and we loved we love visual things.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
And striking things.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
We had always that was always going to be an
element of it. And we were initially like coordinating, you know,
coordinating our outfits. But then we went to south By
very first south By Southwest that we did right, and
a friend of ours said, you know what you guys
should do, should dress exactly the same, like head to
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two everything, because you.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Sound like one. So you should look like one.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Person, and we both kind of like creepy things and
the like.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
You know, it's like a choir when you when you
see a choir and everyone's in matching robes, you think
about a group of people per se. You think about
the sound that they're creating together. When you look at them,
you look at as a unit. Yeah, and so we
were like and at the time, we couldn't afford a
set or something like that, so we were a walking set.
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So anytime we'd go to a festival and we had
our hair bleached exactly the same way, and our costumes
and everything was just our nail polish, everything exactly the same.
People were like, who the fuck are they best?
Speaker 5 (29:44):
Like, go to this stage at three pm and check
it out. And it served us in those early days
for sure.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Yeah, And who made the cost did you have like
a friend who made them or did you do them yourself?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
We were just like getting cheap outfits honestly, and like
tailor them, but just like finding weird shit online or whatever.
And now you know, we have a couple of people
that do our embroidery, like Fort Lonesome does our embroidery.
We have a tailor in La that if we have
a wild idea, he'll I'll find some fabric and he'll
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sew it together.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Fine.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
We've done some stuff with Christian Joy who does a
lot of Kareno's stuff, our friend Amy when we need help,
especially like as a group helping the guy's dress and stuff.
Amy Soderland, she dresses us. But normally it's normally it's us.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
I love it fun, although.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Full time job finding costumes and figuring it out, so
you know, at some point it'd be nice.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
I feel like it's like I don't know how to
explain that to people, but that's like, like I love,
like playing dress up is something I will do until
I die. Yeah, because just so much fun.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
It was sort of a happy accident. But we both
wanted to be lead singers in the band, but we
wanted to be lead singers together. And a lot of
the records that we loved so much were you know,
Elliott Smith and Phil Spector all the like Wall of
Sound recordings, and a lot of those recordings there were
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double tracked vocals, so we sort of were like, well
we could we could do this in the studio, but
we could do it live. And a lot of people
don't do that, you know, we don't know many people
who do that, like the roaches maybe, or you know
some not that many people. So we we started doing
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that and it was a very natural fit. Separately, we
have very different voices, different tambres, but together it does
create this sort of unusual, unusual thing.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
And yeah, and I think like, because we have these
two different tambres, we can get more dynamic out of
our sound because we play to whoever's strength is happening.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
At which point, you.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Know, do you guys ever fight?
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Not really, not really. We've fought a few couple of times,
a couple of times in twenty years.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Though.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yeah, yeah, there's been like two like I'm leaving a
moment and then like ten minutes later, you know, it's over.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
I just think we're it's it. It's kind of like
the voices is that the personalities are different enough to
be really complimentary, and we have different strengths, so we're
not really like, yeah, it's not.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
And when you work with other people, are you writing
with them or like do you do you do writing sessions?
Speaker 1 (32:49):
We write together or we just do like vocal arrangements.
You know, a lot of times people just want us
to come and do their do our thing in their world.
And so you know, we've been given, thankfully a lot
of freedom to just go in there and you know, paint.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Have you been offered collaborations or done collaborations where you
get the call and you're like, this is weird, but
let's give this a shot, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
I mean we've had like.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Kind of from all like very different worlds have been
to us, and so not like ooh, this is super
weird because we like all different kinds of music and
I think that's maybe what's attractive for other people. But
it is funny when you see some of the artists
that we've worked with like side to side and you're like,
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that's wild.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Yeah, it's like completely different walks of music. Was there
a moment when someone called you and you were like,
oh shit, cool, Like was that like a first kind
of artist that time that.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Like we were invited to come sing with Roger we
were Roger Waters and do the Pink Floyd thing. We
were sort of like that was the first sort of
time on that scale, and we didn't know what to expect.
We were told we were going to sing on two
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songs we were doing a sort of he wasn't announced,
so like a surprise appearance at Newport Folk Fest in
Rhode Island, which is a very special place in itself,
and my warning jacket was to be the backup band
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and Holly and I were going to sing and Roger
was coming. So we were learning all these Floyd songs,
well two of them, and we had written Roger like
if there's anything else because we had seen the setlist,
or like, there's a lot of potential songs on here
that we could sing on, and he wrote back cool
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dash Are Yeah. So we sort of were like, let's
just learn it in case because you never know, you know.
And we get there and we sing through these songs.
It's great. You could tell he was into it. We
sit down to just admire the rest of the set
(35:26):
of the rehearsal and he starts playing through the verse
of another song and he stops and he looks over
at us and he yells, yells not. We were like,
and Jim James Is He's like, oh no, they're not
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singing on this song, and he's like, they're singing on
every song. Yeah, And the show is the show.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
We went back to the hotel and just like crammed
finals all night.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
How how like exciting?
Speaker 1 (36:06):
It was epic. I mean, like I remember the rain
was pouring down during Mother and then the clouds parted
and you know, we did wish you were here, some
clips clips right, A rainbow came out. I mean it
was it was just like really, yeah, Captain for sure,
(36:29):
and yeah, I mean that was a pretty magical, magical moment.
You can't really write those ones.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
That's so cool. I know you guys like to work
with David Cob a lot, but are there any sort
of producers or writers that just like you feel like
really or just magic?
Speaker 1 (36:50):
John Everett Sean Everett's a longtime collaborator. He first mixed our,
He mixed our first record.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
He connected us with Warn Drugs for that, so he
did I Don't Live Here and he did all.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Those all those records we were sort of making simultaneously
and trading off days in the studio, and so that's
how we met Adam. And he's just one of the
He's the most creative person I think we've ever met.
He's just one of those people that there is nothing
that can't be done and everything that can be done.
(37:25):
And he's definitely a maximalist. But watching him is like
watching I don't know, bascuote or something. It's like it's
just astonishing. Hell.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
So for him, like more is more, like more is
like just like, let's just in terms of blaring, yes.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yeah, in terms of exploring creative worlds.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
Yeah, And he wants to be creative with you.
Speaker 6 (37:50):
And he's so nice.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
He's Canadian and he's like the nicest.
Speaker 6 (37:54):
Guy I've ever met. This is so pleasant to be around.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
But but yeah, like if you'll let him go, we'll
just like go forever.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
So it's so great I recommend.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
And just yeah, it's just the greatest He's just the
greatest guy. So we've made a few records together and
we'll probably make more at some point.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
So you're on the road right now or you getting
back on the road.
Speaker 5 (38:22):
We're getting back on the road at the end of
the month.
Speaker 9 (38:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
We release a record in May May second by two.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Yeah, oh so you release Sorry, so this is a
new single.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
This is a new single.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Okay, So this isn't attached to the record, it is
it is, Okay.
Speaker 8 (38:38):
I reported it at the same at the same time,
and yeah, we had a couple songs that were part
of those sessions and kind of part of the world
of the record, but could live on their own as singles.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
So, right, how long between records do you guys usually take,
you know, just for a year or two years? Like,
how does that or is it just what you feel?
Speaker 1 (39:09):
It depends, it depends. We've taken five or six years,
We've taken two years.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Yeah, this one.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Comes two years after our previous record.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
So and this one feels really it's awesome. It's the
one you sent it to me. I got it And
that's what I was wondering because it's a new it's
a single, So I was like, is this like a
new album? But so this is are you going to
put out a deluxe?
Speaker 1 (39:42):
I think? I think so. I think that's what you
do at some point, right, I think, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
But I got like coffee, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
My neighbor bruises own coffee.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
I got all the like goods, and I was like,
this is the best. It was the best.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
My mom made cookies.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
The cookies were so yummy. I was like, this is like,
so Olie, they sent me the vinyl.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Oliver will send you the vinyl too.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Yeah, yeah, just the cookies or the cookies, and.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
I was like, oh my god, everything about this I
loved and the album is just amazing. You guys, I'm
such a I mean, you can tell I'm such a
big fan, but I just I love what you do
and you're you. You know, I'm just excited for you that,
like in these last i'd say, what like five years,
that you guys have just become like so much even
(40:41):
more known in the music world, and it's so cool.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Do you like the exposure? I mean, do you like
being known as part of your goal being famous? Or
was it just the music or.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
I don't think we're famous.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
You're not famous, but you kind.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Of are almost fan.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
But you kind of are.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
I mean, like, okay, then let me let me rephrase it.
Do you want to be famous? Do you want to
have people everyone know who you are?
Speaker 5 (41:12):
I think we I mean I can only speak for myself,
but just the ability to continue making music and have
it be sustainable and and you.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Know, have flexibility in our lives in a way that
you know.
Speaker 5 (41:28):
Yeah yeah, and then you know, part of making this up,
this most current record was to you know, bring ourselves
into the focus again a little bit because we had
collaborated so much with other people and we wanted to
remind others but also ourselves. You know that we're songwriters
(41:50):
and we're singers and we've got things to say.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
And how much does how much does the business side
of this industry play to what you do? I know
it has to obviously at some point, but you know,
are you business focused or are you just way more
creative focus?
Speaker 1 (42:07):
You have to be It has to go hand in hand.
I mean, we have a hard time with the tiktoking
and things. Yeah, just does not come. We didn't come
up with that stuff. So it's just it's so not
it's so unnatural to us. I think there's a way
to create a language that feels natural. We just haven't
figured what that is yet, that in that medium. But
(42:32):
you know, you have to you have to be focused
in areas outside of You have to be creative in
business as well as in the actual performance part of things,
because you know, it's it's part of what makes people
(42:52):
clever and makes people puts people out there, and you know,
there's a lot of people trying to do what we
do and who are really talented and some people, you know,
some of the most talented people. I'm sure we all know.
Don't ever figure it out. It's not for lack of talent.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Yeah, it's really it's such a hard business.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
I mean, do you attribute that to luck.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
I think it's it's like the meeting of like luck, talent,
hard work, and yeah, I mean I guess being in
the right place at the right.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Time is Yeah. Well you also said community. I think
that's a big one, you know, because like I know,
you know, as it is a small community, so you
start to like create with different people and meet different
people throughout, like you start to have these connections. It's
(43:49):
like I remember David Foster saying, like TC he always
says to I mean, he's a completely different beast, but
he's just like network, network, network, Like networking is half
the battle. And for so many musicians it's like that's
like putting them into a position like what what like networking?
That's not what I do. I want to go into
(44:09):
my hole in my cave and I want to create music.
I don't want to like sell. So it's like it's
it's such a hard business to kind of like get
out there unless you have some kind of break, unless
the timing, or or you have a friend who is
more like that, who knows what you're what you know,
(44:31):
what you're capable of, or someone who's played on something
and you're like, oh my god, he's this guy's so amazing,
like keys, you should meet him and play with him.
And then it's sort of that's so much a part
of how people. But like, I think the thing is,
I always say this about any arts really, but like
music in particular, it's so expensive, Oliver, to like tour.
(44:57):
So even if you have even if you have like
people listening and the ability to you know, go out
and you know, maybe play a show and sell out
a club or something, you still have to pay so
many people. And then the second you get a deal,
(45:17):
then you're paying that person and they're paying another and
musicians like come home with Unless you're at a certain level,
if you're not touring all the time, all the time,
all the time, you're not making any money.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Oh you're lucky if you're breaking even consider to win. Yeah,
which is really sad. I mean it's and it's getting
harder because it's getting more expensive.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
No, I mean not to bring this down, but it is,
but you know, I always say, like it's like you said,
like to be able to just do it, you know,
to be able to have it be something you can
do and sustain and is so such a blessing. So
how long is this next leg?
Speaker 1 (46:07):
We have three weeks in October and then two and
a half weeks in November. Yeah, and then we're done
for the year. Great, which will be nice. We'll be
home for the holidays pretty much end in La.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
Guys should come, Oh a thousand percent. It's exciting.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
An anniversary of your of your debut film.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
Right, almost famous twenty five years.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
Wow, really close with Cameron.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
Yes, he's got a book coming out and working on
a movie and working on a really exciting movie. Are
you guys going to help?
Speaker 1 (46:47):
I think maybe? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (46:49):
Yes? Where Also, are you guys going to play? Will
you send it to us so that or like, have
someone send us your so I can come find We'll.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
Always play lay They'll be of the other time.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
I loved every second of this. I feel like we
need to end with our normal question. Even though it's
usually for siblings, I feel like you guys are basically siblings.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
Yeah, that's a good one for them.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
Okay. So the two part question is the first part
is if you could emulate something like more like something
that you could emulate from the other that you wish
you had more of, what would that be? And then
the other part of the question is alleviate, Like if
you could take something from the other person and make
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their life lighter or easier, what would that be For me?
Speaker 5 (47:45):
It would be like the social boldness that she has.
I just don't have that in me, and I would
I would like some of that.
Speaker 6 (47:59):
And alleviate.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
I mean, the first thing I think of is just
like take your baby for a day, a break, that
kind of thank you.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
That can happen?
Speaker 5 (48:17):
And then can I give you mine?
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Wait?
Speaker 6 (48:21):
That doesn't.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
That doesn't help me? We can though mine is okay.
For Holly, the thing that I wish I had that
she has is just the ability to she's just so thoughtful,
(48:45):
like just the ability to pause and really like examine
her words before she spews things out like I do.
Sometimes she just has a way with her words, And
I wish I had that that like gentle thoughtfulness that
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she has and alleviate. I mean, you know, I wish
that I could just send you on a big ass
free vacation, pay all your bill, maybe win the lottery too,
(49:30):
you know, but you'll share with me, right Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
I love it you guys. Thank you for coming on.
And we're going to play the single exclusive Thick as Thieves,
Thick as Thieves and uh and it's going to be
on our you know, in our downloadable on our podcast
(49:58):
for the next two days before it comes out out.
And I just can't wait to see you in person.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Yeah, let's thank music or cook or something all of it.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
I'm down, I'm down. I'm down. Thank you so much.
You Yeah, I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Yeah. Bye guys, Bye guys, bye, Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
Aren't they great?
Speaker 1 (50:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (50:22):
Cool?
Speaker 3 (50:23):
I love I love like the musician brain. I just
like they're so specific and there's such these like if
you watch them, they're so amazing and they sound like
you should listen to them live. They're just perfection. I
just anybody listening that loves music, just go deep on
Lucia's They're just they're just worth it. Yeah, silver Lake man,
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silver Lake All right, I love you.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
Well, we have the exclusive that's going to be playing
yes right now, right now, ready and push play.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
Big.
Speaker 9 (51:03):
Gone in the Falling lea lost in the marching band,
drunk Gains.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
He was a mean old man to the young. The understands.
Speaker 10 (51:42):
Were a gaft s.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
Waning away, jos.
Speaker 10 (51:48):
Whoo so we'd run under the pleatures. Everyone was cheering
every ten for often it was.
Speaker 11 (52:17):
Curfus, we don't want to go home.
Speaker 6 (52:26):
By waiting in wait.
Speaker 10 (52:32):
Oh anywhere we go.
Speaker 11 (52:39):
Sons so hard, priece feels so good, but it really
comes around.
Speaker 10 (52:48):
Just wanna love, we love. We look at song wanna
being just so we won the beagons. Everyone's cheer in
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amperten it was he were looking at the song wanna
being so we run on the bass as cheer, and
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amperten it was boscent.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
It was.
Speaker 10 (54:01):
For I saw you.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
See for.
Speaker 10 (54:16):
I saw you the first I saw you the
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
We wanted to do something that highlighted our.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are
a sibling.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Railvalr No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth, revelry.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
That's good, Ollie, this is me. I'm so excited right now.
I know you are because I'm obsessed with these ladies.
I love them. They're so brilliant, they're so beautiful. They're
the most incredible voices. They're beautiful songwriters. They're uh have
(00:58):
been around since she thousand and seven. They were formed
in Brooklyn. They work with everybody from Harry Styles to
War on Drugs to Brandy Carlow and then they've really
like made a name for themselves and I just literally
they are an obsession of mine. And it's Lucius Holly
(01:19):
I think you pronounce it Lasig and Jess Wolf and
they gave us exclusively their new single, Thickest Thieves, for
people to listen to only on our podcast downloadable right
yep on our podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
For the two days after right, we'll get through the
interview and then we're going to play it.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Then we're going to play it. Yeah, and I'm so
and you've never you never knew them, and I.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Kind of getting myself, you know, up to speed. Obviously.
I heard their single incredible, and then you have been
sort of giving me songs to listen to them, and
they're amazing. I mean, adding to my playlist for sure
without a doubt.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Yeah, I'm I'll be fangirling this whole interview.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
And I have like, I love the harmonies a lot, like, oh, well,
that's what they do, beautiful, juste cerial.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
You know.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
It's also like for girls. I think they're just their
whole vibe is the best. Anyway, let's let's get into it.
And I can't wait to meet them.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Hello, Hi, hi, Hi, Hey, Oh welcome.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I'm so happy and excited that you're on the show
on our on our podcast.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Thank you for having us.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Where are you right now?
Speaker 1 (02:45):
We're in my little casita in the back of my
house in Silver Lake.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Oh so you're in La Yeah? Oh cool? Do you
both live here? I don't know why I thought you
guys lived in Nashville.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I was splitting time in Nashville.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I did a show called Nashville in Nashville. I was Oh, yeah,
so I lived there for a couple of years as well.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I'm friends with Cali.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Oh you are yeah, CALLI t Bone.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
We're actually going to record with t Bone tonight.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
You are Oh fun, amazing.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
I was just with the guy who mixes for tea bone. Yeah,
maybe Zach Zach Dog. I don't know. I was doing
I was doing something at the village and there was
a guy in there and he was saying he was
mixing something for tea bone.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Maybe maybe maybe it could have been Zach. But he's
my neighbor and uh my, my, my Hebrew school boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Stop it.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Where did you grow up?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
I grew up in the valley.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
In the valley, and you and I grew up in Cleveland.
In Cleveland, Wow, it's very different than the valley.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
I remember going to Cleveland for the first time on
tour with my ex husband and I was like twenty
one years years old, and we showed up to a
mall where the hotel was so like, you're in the
mall and then all I wanted to do is like
something and I went down. I was like, what's there
to do? And the guy the concierge was like, ah,
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like not like you could go bowling, And I was like.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Bowling was a big, a big pastime.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yeah, and so we went bowling and fun. It was fun,
It was fun.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
It was I was having a bit of a renaissance. Yeah,
like renaissance might be a little okay, that's but there's
like a little bit of a food scene, arts scene, now, yeah,
a couple of That's what happens when things are really boring.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Well, how does how does the valley meet Cleveland? How
does that? That seems like worlds away?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
At school in Boston, yeah, you know all the way. Yeah, yeah,
so you guys been in school.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
Yeah, we went to Berkeley College of Music.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Okay, of course you did.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I have like I have, I have a secret like
and like of envy it every I've worked with so
many people who have gone to the Berkeley at this point,
and I'm like, it just feels like the best musicians
come out of that college.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
You know.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
It was all about community. So I think both of
us felt a lack of community early in our early years,
and so when we went to school, it was like
the first time we had a place where there were
like minded kids and it was just so nice to
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create and to share ideas and explore things, and and
that was that was the real I think gift of Berkeley. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
I mean I remember like coming from you know, my
town in Ohio, and I.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
Coming to Berkeley.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
In the first couple of days, like the first day
in the it felt like to me that that blind
Melon video where she the little bee finds all finally
at the end.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah, the best video ever.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Video.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah, Well, do you still work with people from that
you went to school with?
Speaker 1 (06:23):
I mean we still have a bunch of close friends
and our bandmates all went to Berkeley.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Wow, sort of by accident because we weren't We didn't
form together with them until we were in New York.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
But so wait, you go to Berkeley and you're walking
down the hall and you just like kind of high
five and you're like, let's let's do this exactly.
Speaker 6 (06:44):
We had matching outfits off.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
You know, how do you find each other? How how
does one find each other? Generally?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Give us like genesis, Like what was the what was
the first time you met?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
The first time we met. I don't know that. I
I don't know that I remember the very first time.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
Yeah, I think you came into our room. Maybe I
don't remember for sure, but you were friends.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
My my first friend at school was Holly's roommate, and
we were in the same orientation group. And she's a
wild girl, and I remember her sharing things with me
that I had I feel like I had never even
known about, let alone.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Wait, this is the roommate. Yeah, yeah, oh.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I'm going to be friends with this one. And then yeah,
I can't remember, but we somehow ended up all hanging
out in their room, like cooking on Holly's rice cooker. Yeah,
and the rest was history.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Did you study did you study instrument or was it
just vocals?
Speaker 6 (07:58):
It was vocal?
Speaker 5 (07:59):
Vocal was our instrument at school, Okay, And then I
guess I didn't have panel flash at Berkeley.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
But I'm I'm so curious because you have at Berkeley.
You've got just a ton of musicians spanning all different
the spectrum of music, right. And then it's the community
is big, it's real. There's so much opportunity to fall
in with someone or a group or something that is
going to sort of propel you or launch you or
(08:28):
inspire you. And like for you guys to have found
each other, what was the thing you know? It's like
are you making rice? And all of a sudden you're
like and then it's like, wow, like this works.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeah, that's sort of us in a nutshell. I mean,
we started talking about our musical upbringings and the music
really that our dads would play for us.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
And what were those what was it old school.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Soul music, Sam Cook, Roy Orbison, like the oldies channels.
We both were sort of old souls, and so we
decided to get together and do a white album cover show,
a girl group version of the white album, which never happened.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I love that idea.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, it would be cool. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
We started working on Happiness as a warm gun, and
then we just sort of pivoted and started writing our
own songs.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
And it wasn't like any particular plan or vision or
goal end goal in mind. We just kept getting together
after that point and started writing our own music and
booking little shows.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
And obviously your guys's voice, I mean, you know, because
that's your instrument in your ear that the second you
start singing together, it's like, hmm, did you sell?
Speaker 1 (09:59):
I think there amazing moment when we got in the
studio for the first time and recorded and you know,
we both wanted to be lead singers, but we wanted
to be lead singers together, and you know, we didn't
want to just do harmonies or just trade off versus
or something. And we were thinking about some of our
favorite sort of recordings Elliott Smith and Phil Spector, The
(10:23):
Wall of Sound, and a lot of these recordings doubled
double track vocals, so we were like, oh, well, we
could just do that live.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
I would think that you guys would have had that
kind of moment where you were like, you know, this
sounds amazing, because then for those who don't know that,
listen in our podcast. You've also I mean you've sang
with so many people and have collaborated with so many
musicians and just like make everything they do sound great.
(10:55):
I personally, like, I find myself falling in love with
music that I don't know you're on, and and you're
on it like I don't live here anymore. I cover that.
I love covering that song. I love that song, such
a great song. But then you're on that and then
you know, dance Around It was like, I mean I
(11:17):
knew that was your song, but dance around it is
like Ronnie and I as theme song in life, my
daughter and and uh, and so just you guys, And
it ranges from I mean your everything you do range,
it has so much range. And and I love the
new single. I'm so excited that you're allowing us to,
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you know, give it an exclusive play and and but
I mean it started Okay, so you guys you met
in Berkeley, then you went to New York and O
seven and what was so what was your first big break?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (11:58):
Yeah, I think nbr's Tiny Desk was that was kind
of the first. Well we had written.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
Bob Boyle and like before that a couple of times.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
Right, Yeah, we had sent him like handwritten letters and
burned CDs and then he finally, you know, got in
touch with us, and we did a Tiny Desk And
that was the first time that we started playing shows
where people that like weren't related to us.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
Showed up and we were like, what's happening here?
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Wow, you're singing along?
Speaker 6 (12:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (12:35):
Yeah, And so so that felt that really feels like
probably the biggest break, and people still bring it up
even though.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
It was stages ago. Yeah, look back and feel like
baby's doing that.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yeah, I'm like, why did we wear bows in our hair?
Why did we do that to ours?
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Oh my god? Where? How long were you in New York?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
We were in New York for eight years?
Speaker 6 (13:02):
Yeap.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
And it was really fun. It was it felt like
and I'm sure everyone feels that way about when they're
when they're living in New York, but at the time,
it felt like there was just there was a certain
magic happening, like hmm, well, I remember like going all
the jazz clubs. I mean on the weekly. We lived
with a couple of jazz musicians as well, but we
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just go from from room to room and hear you know,
Jon Batiste and Chris Dave and Robert Glasper And this
was before they were the versions of themselves that you
know now.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yeah, that time I was living in New York then,
like the early aughts, and so is my partner Danny,
and they had a band of Chief and there was
just this like vibe happening in New York that was
like the Cabin, remember the Cabin the club. It was
like you go down there in every musician that you
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just either loved or were discovering would be there until
like four in the morning. Yeah, it was such a
it was such a great time for music.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
It really was. Yeah, and we took it for granted
because that's what you do. But we we I mean
took it for granted. I shouldn't say that we immersed ourselves,
but we didn't know.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
How much of a moment it was was, you know, until.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Until you're gone.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Oh yeah. I remember seeing Jack White. I remember seeing
the White Stripes at Bowie Ballroom when everyone was like
clamoring over them to sign them and and or or
deciding I wouldn't even say clamoring, just deciding whether they
were going to sign them or not. And I had
a friend that was at Virgin and we went to
Bowerie and saw it and it was so fucking great.
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And I was like, you're an idiot if you don't
sign this band, like yeah, and they were like these
like Detroit kids that just were, you know, hopping around
getting bigger and bigger. It was like that. It's just
that that energy around that time was just have It
was awesome. It doesn't exist there anymore like that, or
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it doesn't feel.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Like unless there's a new younger, I mean, probably we're
out of touch.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Well no, because my son's at n y U. He's
there and it really doesn't. It doesn't have the same
it's not for that for music, it's not it's not
the same.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Like do you think it's the rise of like ed
M and more of an electronic vibe or this new
sort of era of hip hop? You know, Like what
is it that you think?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
You know?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Why do you think that that's.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Everyone's making music in there?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Right, it's it's also really like live music is these venues,
Like I think it's expensive, like this idea that we're.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Going because they're just listening or watching elsewhere. I mean
there was the need for community. Yeah, I think communities
made our entire careers. Yeah, I think that's like you.
I mean, like you said, singing on other people's tracks
or you know, going on tour with whomever, building a
network in New York, Like, I don't know, just I
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feel like we'd be nothing without everyone.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah. Now, what was your first big tour probby Jack Waye?
Speaker 6 (16:34):
Yeah, that was probably our first in Europe.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Yeah, that was like our first arena tour.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Fun, how do you how does that work out? You
just get the call, Hey, we want you guys on
the bill, simple as that.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah, I mean the basic label again like this is
you know, friends of friends of friends, but the basis
Dominic was friends. His wife was a childhood friend of
our old guitar player, and he they had heard our
record and passed it on to Jack and you know,
invited us, invited us out something like that. Yeah. I
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think before that we had done some like van tours
with like JD. McPherson, and that was our first, our
first first real tour.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
What was your first big burnout, like get me the
fuck off the road, Like do you remember the moment
we were like I can't do I can't I mean,
I know, I don't even play music, and I had
that like being married to one. I was like I'm
gonna go crazy.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
I think.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Well, on Wilder Woman, our first record, we toured relentlessly
and we were driving ourselves in a van and we
did radio shows in the morning, like we drive overnight
and then do a radio show at seven in the
morning and then get to the venue. And we were
so how many we had like two non consecutive weeks
off that entire year, and the end of the year
(17:59):
we were in Europe and I remember like walking the
streets of Paris just like a zombie being like.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I'm in Paris, why are you enjoying this?
Speaker 6 (18:13):
We were just so tired.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah, although I have a baby and go on tour
and it's a whole new level of exhaustion.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Oh my god, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I was.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Crazy. I mean, very tour story, but I'll share it.
You guys will appreciate this. Chris was headlining Bonaroo and
and Rider was a year and change and got a
one hundred and five fever where he started to become lethargic. No, no, no,
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I had to take him to the Nashville Children's Hospital,
get him on a thing. I didn't know what was
going on. He'd take X rays I had. He was
on an ivy. Chris had to get to bonn Aerou,
so he took one bus. I had the other bus.
I am then now going back. Finally we left. Now
(19:08):
I'm going to bonn Aerou with a sick baby. And
then and then he starts getting sick again and throwing
up everywhere, and I'm calling the doctor and I'm like,
I just was like, I just wanted to be homeless,
Like guys want to get home. I'm on the bus
in the middle of like, cause Bonnarou obviously he's a
little bit outside of Nashville. And finally I called the doctor.
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He's like, his fever's probably breaking. He's going to be okay.
And we finally landed at Bonnaroo, and Rider was finally
like calmed down and watching something on the bus, and
I just got outside and I looked out at this festival,
which is where everybody's coming to like celebrate and have
a great time and party and have fun. And I
was just like, get me off the road, Get me
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off the road with the baby. It's so hard. I
can't even imagine what it's like for you having to
then go. So I hope that never happens to you
on your way to bonn Row.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
It probably will.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
How old is your baby now?
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Mine is ten months?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
And we've been on the road since eight weeks. Wow,
he's he's thank god. He is so social. Never met
a stranger.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
He didn't like, he's a road baby.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
He yeah. Although the sleep, uh, you know, magically, we
get on tour and he won't sleep through the night,
and I'm like, come on, just like wait till we
get home for that. So I.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Feel like I feel like it's just better to sleep
with the baby because then they sleep better.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
You know, he won't sleep in my bed. Really, he
wants his own space. He's an independent man.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
How does that feel for you? I mean eight weeks
and you were I mean that's hard, that's like distinct.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
And I had a I had a C section.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Oh stop. So you're six weeks of basically not really
to do anything, and two weeks later you're not You're singing.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Oh yeah, I wasn't. I know, I wasn't recovered. I'm
still not recovered. Yeah, it was. It was too soon.
It was too soon, but you know, okay, it was.
It was special because the year before at the same festival,
we played Brandy Carlisle's festival festival in Mexico, and she's
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a dear friend, and the year before I had a
miscarriage at the festival. Wow, So I was wanting to
repair that, change that narrative full cle moment. So I
was sort of determined to be there.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I mean, this isn't pretty cool?
Speaker 3 (22:01):
How did that? How did that feel?
Speaker 1 (22:03):
It felt really powerful? I mean I don't even think
in the moment until we got on stage.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Uh and she brought him out.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I mean, there was like a full symba moment, and yeah,
it felt it felt really healing and necessary. So I
I'm glad we did it. I was exhausted. I'm glad
we did it. And Holly, I mean Holly was eight
months pregnant on tour with a toddler. Yeah, nanny. We
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were hiring a different babysitter in each city. Yeah, maybe the.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Worst guys, you do you get one nanny for the
both of you on.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
The road, DAWs, And we didn't had there was you know,
we were like sharing a bus with everyone, so yeah,
wow in every city and had to re explain everything
every day.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
So but back in the day, I love those guys
when you guys, when you guys were touring, you know,
back in the day. Yeah, were you did you party?
Did you drink? Did you have fun?
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I mean, you know, it's hard to be ahead, well,
I mean for some people. For me, it's hard to
be a heavy drinker and sing, like really sing. So
I I never was a heavy drinker, right, that wasn't my.
That wasn't my.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
But it's just funny to see the the the sort
of from from the beginning of when there's free birds
drinking having fun to now you're on tour with with
babysitters or with children, and it's just a whole fucking
different ball game.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Different ball game. We definitely party, We definitely had fun.
We were NonStop. Yeah, and we didn't know what light ahead.
It's nice.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
You know, no hangovers now.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Yeah, you kind of hangover, no hangover. I still I
feel like, even with kids, I still have hangovers. Yeah
every once in a while.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah from alcohol.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
You're saying, okay, yeah, I still go out like you.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Just had one just this weekend.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
I know, I had a horrible hangover, but I didn't
even drink. Oh. I woke up. I had a martini
and and and and white wine, and then I had
a glass of way whine and I woke up like
I drank a bottle of vodka. It was like, what
the fuck? My brain felt like it was exploding.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
But that's the thing, is like, yeah, the tolerance is
way down now, and I just I can't.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
I mean, I have a couple of beers. I love
a beer beer girl.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
So is Ali's wife. I love beer. I love a
good beer too, like a cold there's only a cold beer,
you know.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
A cold, shitty beer. Honestly, I know like none of
these I pas.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Yes, Aaron loves the I p as.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
I like and like like like.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
A Miller, like a Miller High Life for like a PBR.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
I like like I like a wheat beer beer like a.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Half of Vice.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, like a Vice. And I if I have any alcohol.
Before I start saying I sound awful, I mean it's drying.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
It's really like, I mean you need you need the hydration.
And yeah, we're sent. We get more and more sensitive
as we get a little older. So it's it makes
sense I have to do so much more than I
ever had to do ten years ago.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah. Now, did you both grow up in very musical households?
Speaker 6 (25:37):
Very artistic? I would say we both did.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Some music, like music lovers and there was some music
in my family too, piano players and singers and stuff
like on my dad's side, but in my immediate family
it was there was a lot of visual art and
same with chess. That was another thing that we kind
of connected on.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Yeah, so it shows in your in your whole how
you present yourself, you know, your outfits and how. But
so what did they do my mom is?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I mean, she she's a I wouldn't call her a
painter per se, but she paints and she she's just
an artistic person. She she's worked at the Getty for
twenty eight years since it opened.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Oh wow, cool, I live right near the Getty. I'm
gonna go say hi to her after this.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Anytime you want a tour, she's your.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
She's just kind of an awesome lady. She's she's more
of like an art historian and she's Yeah. So she
always inspired me. And my dad had great taste in music,
so he was the one playing me, you know, tapes
and CDs as a young girl. And you know, he
introduced me to Linda Ronstad and Edna James and Arifa
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and you know Roy Arbison, and I was, I was
doing a lot of listening. He really made me fall
in love with music.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
I mean, my mom was primarily a weaver until we
were little, and then she she was an art teacher
for a while. And my grandfather was a painter and
he was the art director for American Greetings. So both
of my folks worked at American Greetings for for a
while as well.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Oh cool.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Yeah, Cleveland, that's like a weaver is like amazing.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
Ohioan's weave too.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
I love it. I'm like, wow, that might that's so
that makes me so.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Happy, Cleveland, you might be weaving.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
That's gonna go to the tourism board.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
So how do you do your do outfits? Like do
you have like I mean, I'm sure everyone who knows
and loves you wants to know how this rice? Do
you work with stylist? You do yourself?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
I was going to ask them about that too, just
the evolution to of just not just your music, but
you know the aesthetic, Like did that evolve and is
it constantly evolving?
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yeah, it's evolving, like with our you know, we're always
creating a different world dependent on the on the music
that's being written. Really, we wanted to.
Speaker 8 (28:27):
Dress the sounds we had, you know, because we loved
girl groups and we loved we love visual things.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
And striking things.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
We had always that was always going to be an
element of it. And we were initially like coordinating, you know,
coordinating our outfits. But then we went to south By
very first south By Southwest that we did right, and
a friend of ours said, you know what you guys
should do, should dress exactly the same, like head to
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two everything, because you.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Sound like one. So you should look like one.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Person, and we both kind of like creepy things and
the like.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
You know, it's like a choir when you when you
see a choir and everyone's in matching robes, you think
about a group of people per se. You think about
the sound that they're creating together. When you look at them,
you look at as a unit. Yeah, and so we
were like and at the time, we couldn't afford a
set or something like that, so we were a walking set.
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So anytime we'd go to a festival and we had
our hair bleached exactly the same way, and our costumes
and everything was just our nail polish, everything exactly the same.
People were like, who the fuck are they best?
Speaker 5 (29:44):
Like, go to this stage at three pm and check
it out. And it served us in those early days
for sure.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Yeah, And who made the cost did you have like
a friend who made them or did you do them yourself?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
We were just like getting cheap outfits honestly, and like
tailor them, but just like finding weird shit online or whatever.
And now you know, we have a couple of people
that do our embroidery, like Fort Lonesome does our embroidery.
We have a tailor in La that if we have
a wild idea, he'll I'll find some fabric and he'll
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sew it together.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Fine.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
We've done some stuff with Christian Joy who does a
lot of Kareno's stuff, our friend Amy when we need help,
especially like as a group helping the guy's dress and stuff.
Amy Soderland, she dresses us. But normally it's normally it's us.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
I love it fun, although.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Full time job finding costumes and figuring it out, so
you know, at some point it'd be nice.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
I feel like it's like I don't know how to
explain that to people, but that's like, like I love,
like playing dress up is something I will do until
I die. Yeah, because just so much fun.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
It was sort of a happy accident. But we both
wanted to be lead singers in the band, but we
wanted to be lead singers together. And a lot of
the records that we loved so much were you know,
Elliott Smith and Phil Spector all the like Wall of
Sound recordings, and a lot of those recordings there were
(31:21):
double tracked vocals, so we sort of were like, well
we could we could do this in the studio, but
we could do it live. And a lot of people
don't do that, you know, we don't know many people
who do that, like the roaches maybe, or you know
some not that many people. So we we started doing
(31:41):
that and it was a very natural fit. Separately, we
have very different voices, different tambres, but together it does
create this sort of unusual, unusual thing.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
And yeah, and I think like, because we have these
two different tambres, we can get more dynamic out of
our sound because we play to whoever's strength is happening.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
At which point, you.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Know, do you guys ever fight?
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Not really, not really. We've fought a few couple of times,
a couple of times in twenty years.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Though.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yeah, yeah, there's been like two like I'm leaving a
moment and then like ten minutes later, you know, it's over.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
I just think we're it's it. It's kind of like
the voices is that the personalities are different enough to
be really complimentary, and we have different strengths, so we're
not really like, yeah, it's not.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
And when you work with other people, are you writing
with them or like do you do you do writing sessions?
Speaker 1 (32:49):
We write together or we just do like vocal arrangements.
You know, a lot of times people just want us
to come and do their do our thing in their world.
And so you know, we've been given, thankfully a lot
of freedom to just go in there and you know, paint.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Have you been offered collaborations or done collaborations where you
get the call and you're like, this is weird, but
let's give this a shot, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
I mean we've had like.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Kind of from all like very different worlds have been
to us, and so not like ooh, this is super
weird because we like all different kinds of music and
I think that's maybe what's attractive for other people. But
it is funny when you see some of the artists
that we've worked with like side to side and you're like,
(33:40):
that's wild.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Yeah, it's like completely different walks of music. Was there
a moment when someone called you and you were like,
oh shit, cool, Like was that like a first kind
of artist that time that.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Like we were invited to come sing with Roger we
were Roger Waters and do the Pink Floyd thing. We
were sort of like that was the first sort of
time on that scale, and we didn't know what to expect.
We were told we were going to sing on two
(34:20):
songs we were doing a sort of he wasn't announced,
so like a surprise appearance at Newport Folk Fest in
Rhode Island, which is a very special place in itself,
and my warning jacket was to be the backup band
(34:42):
and Holly and I were going to sing and Roger
was coming. So we were learning all these Floyd songs,
well two of them, and we had written Roger like
if there's anything else because we had seen the setlist,
or like, there's a lot of potential songs on here
that we could sing on, and he wrote back cool
(35:03):
dash Are Yeah. So we sort of were like, let's
just learn it in case because you never know, you know.
And we get there and we sing through these songs.
It's great. You could tell he was into it. We
sit down to just admire the rest of the set
(35:26):
of the rehearsal and he starts playing through the verse
of another song and he stops and he looks over
at us and he yells, yells not. We were like,
and Jim James Is He's like, oh no, they're not
(35:48):
singing on this song, and he's like, they're singing on
every song. Yeah, And the show is the show.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
We went back to the hotel and just like crammed
finals all night.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
How how like exciting?
Speaker 1 (36:06):
It was epic. I mean, like I remember the rain
was pouring down during Mother and then the clouds parted
and you know, we did wish you were here, some
clips clips right, A rainbow came out. I mean it
was it was just like really, yeah, Captain for sure,
(36:29):
and yeah, I mean that was a pretty magical, magical moment.
You can't really write those ones.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
That's so cool. I know you guys like to work
with David Cob a lot, but are there any sort
of producers or writers that just like you feel like
really or just magic?
Speaker 1 (36:50):
John Everett Sean Everett's a longtime collaborator. He first mixed our,
He mixed our first record.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
He connected us with Warn Drugs for that, so he
did I Don't Live Here and he did all.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Those all those records we were sort of making simultaneously
and trading off days in the studio, and so that's
how we met Adam. And he's just one of the
He's the most creative person I think we've ever met.
He's just one of those people that there is nothing
that can't be done and everything that can be done.
(37:25):
And he's definitely a maximalist. But watching him is like
watching I don't know, bascuote or something. It's like it's
just astonishing. Hell.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
So for him, like more is more, like more is
like just like, let's just in terms of blaring, yes.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yeah, in terms of exploring creative worlds.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
Yeah, And he wants to be creative with you.
Speaker 6 (37:50):
And he's so nice.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
He's Canadian and he's like the nicest.
Speaker 6 (37:54):
Guy I've ever met. This is so pleasant to be around.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
But but yeah, like if you'll let him go, we'll
just like go forever.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
So it's so great I recommend.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
And just yeah, it's just the greatest He's just the
greatest guy. So we've made a few records together and
we'll probably make more at some point.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
So you're on the road right now or you getting
back on the road.
Speaker 5 (38:22):
We're getting back on the road at the end of
the month.
Speaker 9 (38:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
We release a record in May May second by two.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Yeah, oh so you release Sorry, so this is a
new single.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
This is a new single.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Okay, So this isn't attached to the record, it is
it is, Okay.
Speaker 8 (38:38):
I reported it at the same at the same time,
and yeah, we had a couple songs that were part
of those sessions and kind of part of the world
of the record, but could live on their own as singles.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
So, right, how long between records do you guys usually take,
you know, just for a year or two years? Like,
how does that or is it just what you feel?
Speaker 1 (39:09):
It depends, it depends. We've taken five or six years,
We've taken two years.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Yeah, this one.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Comes two years after our previous record.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
So and this one feels really it's awesome. It's the
one you sent it to me. I got it And
that's what I was wondering because it's a new it's
a single, So I was like, is this like a
new album? But so this is are you going to
put out a deluxe?
Speaker 1 (39:42):
I think? I think so. I think that's what you
do at some point, right, I think, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
But I got like coffee, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
My neighbor bruises own coffee.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
I got all the like goods, and I was like,
this is the best. It was the best.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
My mom made cookies.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
The cookies were so yummy. I was like, this is like,
so Olie, they sent me the vinyl.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Oliver will send you the vinyl too.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Yeah, yeah, just the cookies or the cookies, and.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
I was like, oh my god, everything about this I
loved and the album is just amazing. You guys, I'm
such a I mean, you can tell I'm such a
big fan, but I just I love what you do
and you're you. You know, I'm just excited for you that,
like in these last i'd say, what like five years,
that you guys have just become like so much even
(40:41):
more known in the music world, and it's so cool.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Do you like the exposure? I mean, do you like
being known as part of your goal being famous? Or
was it just the music or.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
I don't think we're famous.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
You're not famous, but you kind.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Of are almost fan.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
But you kind of are.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
I mean, like, okay, then let me let me rephrase it.
Do you want to be famous? Do you want to
have people everyone know who you are?
Speaker 5 (41:12):
I think we I mean I can only speak for myself,
but just the ability to continue making music and have
it be sustainable and and you.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Know, have flexibility in our lives in a way that
you know.
Speaker 5 (41:28):
Yeah yeah, and then you know, part of making this up,
this most current record was to you know, bring ourselves
into the focus again a little bit because we had
collaborated so much with other people and we wanted to
remind others but also ourselves. You know that we're songwriters
(41:50):
and we're singers and we've got things to say.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
And how much does how much does the business side
of this industry play to what you do? I know
it has to obviously at some point, but you know,
are you business focused or are you just way more
creative focus?
Speaker 1 (42:07):
You have to be It has to go hand in hand.
I mean, we have a hard time with the tiktoking
and things. Yeah, just does not come. We didn't come
up with that stuff. So it's just it's so not
it's so unnatural to us. I think there's a way
to create a language that feels natural. We just haven't
figured what that is yet, that in that medium. But
(42:32):
you know, you have to you have to be focused
in areas outside of You have to be creative in
business as well as in the actual performance part of things,
because you know, it's it's part of what makes people
(42:52):
clever and makes people puts people out there, and you know,
there's a lot of people trying to do what we
do and who are really talented and some people, you know,
some of the most talented people. I'm sure we all know.
Don't ever figure it out. It's not for lack of talent.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Yeah, it's really it's such a hard business.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
I mean, do you attribute that to luck.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
I think it's it's like the meeting of like luck, talent,
hard work, and yeah, I mean I guess being in
the right place at the right.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Time is Yeah. Well you also said community. I think
that's a big one, you know, because like I know,
you know, as it is a small community, so you
start to like create with different people and meet different
people throughout, like you start to have these connections. It's
(43:49):
like I remember David Foster saying, like TC he always
says to I mean, he's a completely different beast, but
he's just like network, network, network, Like networking is half
the battle. And for so many musicians it's like that's
like putting them into a position like what what like networking?
That's not what I do. I want to go into
(44:09):
my hole in my cave and I want to create music.
I don't want to like sell. So it's like it's
it's such a hard business to kind of like get
out there unless you have some kind of break, unless
the timing, or or you have a friend who is
more like that, who knows what you're what you know,
(44:31):
what you're capable of, or someone who's played on something
and you're like, oh my god, he's this guy's so amazing,
like keys, you should meet him and play with him.
And then it's sort of that's so much a part
of how people. But like, I think the thing is,
I always say this about any arts really, but like
music in particular, it's so expensive, Oliver, to like tour.
(44:57):
So even if you have even if you have like
people listening and the ability to you know, go out
and you know, maybe play a show and sell out
a club or something, you still have to pay so
many people. And then the second you get a deal,
(45:17):
then you're paying that person and they're paying another and
musicians like come home with Unless you're at a certain level,
if you're not touring all the time, all the time,
all the time, you're not making any money.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Oh you're lucky if you're breaking even consider to win. Yeah,
which is really sad. I mean it's and it's getting
harder because it's getting more expensive.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
No, I mean not to bring this down, but it is,
but you know, I always say, like it's like you said,
like to be able to just do it, you know,
to be able to have it be something you can
do and sustain and is so such a blessing. So
how long is this next leg?
Speaker 1 (46:07):
We have three weeks in October and then two and
a half weeks in November. Yeah, and then we're done
for the year. Great, which will be nice. We'll be
home for the holidays pretty much end in La.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
Guys should come, Oh a thousand percent. It's exciting.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
An anniversary of your of your debut film.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
Right, almost famous twenty five years.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
Wow, really close with Cameron.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
Yes, he's got a book coming out and working on
a movie and working on a really exciting movie. Are
you guys going to help?
Speaker 1 (46:47):
I think maybe? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (46:49):
Yes? Where Also, are you guys going to play? Will
you send it to us so that or like, have
someone send us your so I can come find We'll.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
Always play lay They'll be of the other time.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
I loved every second of this. I feel like we
need to end with our normal question. Even though it's
usually for siblings, I feel like you guys are basically siblings.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
Yeah, that's a good one for them.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
Okay. So the two part question is the first part
is if you could emulate something like more like something
that you could emulate from the other that you wish
you had more of, what would that be? And then
the other part of the question is alleviate, Like if
you could take something from the other person and make
(47:38):
their life lighter or easier, what would that be For me?
Speaker 5 (47:45):
It would be like the social boldness that she has.
I just don't have that in me, and I would
I would like some of that.
Speaker 6 (47:59):
And alleviate.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
I mean, the first thing I think of is just
like take your baby for a day, a break, that
kind of thank you.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
That can happen?
Speaker 5 (48:17):
And then can I give you mine?
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Wait?
Speaker 6 (48:21):
That doesn't.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
That doesn't help me? We can though mine is okay.
For Holly, the thing that I wish I had that
she has is just the ability to she's just so thoughtful,
(48:45):
like just the ability to pause and really like examine
her words before she spews things out like I do.
Sometimes she just has a way with her words, And
I wish I had that that like gentle thoughtfulness that
(49:07):
she has and alleviate. I mean, you know, I wish
that I could just send you on a big ass
free vacation, pay all your bill, maybe win the lottery too,
(49:30):
you know, but you'll share with me, right Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
I love it you guys. Thank you for coming on.
And we're going to play the single exclusive Thick as Thieves,
Thick as Thieves and uh and it's going to be
on our you know, in our downloadable on our podcast
(49:58):
for the next two days before it comes out out.
And I just can't wait to see you in person.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Yeah, let's thank music or cook or something all of it.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
I'm down, I'm down. I'm down. Thank you so much.
You Yeah, I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Yeah. Bye guys, Bye guys, bye, Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
Aren't they great?
Speaker 1 (50:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (50:22):
Cool?
Speaker 3 (50:23):
I love I love like the musician brain. I just
like they're so specific and there's such these like if
you watch them, they're so amazing and they sound like
you should listen to them live. They're just perfection. I
just anybody listening that loves music, just go deep on
Lucia's They're just they're just worth it. Yeah, silver Lake man,
(50:47):
silver Lake All right, I love you.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
Well, we have the exclusive that's going to be playing
yes right now, right now, ready and push play.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
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Gone in the Falling lea lost in the marching band,
drunk Gains.
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He was a mean old man to the young. The understands.
Speaker 10 (51:42):
Were a gaft s.
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Waning away, jos.
Speaker 10 (51:48):
Whoo so we'd run under the pleatures. Everyone was cheering
every ten for often it was.
Speaker 11 (52:17):
Curfus, we don't want to go home.
Speaker 6 (52:26):
By waiting in wait.
Speaker 10 (52:32):
Oh anywhere we go.
Speaker 11 (52:39):
Sons so hard, priece feels so good, but it really
comes around.
Speaker 10 (52:48):
Just wanna love, we love. We look at song wanna
being just so we won the beagons. Everyone's cheer in
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amperten it was he were looking at the song wanna
being so we run on the bass as cheer, and
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amperten it was boscent.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
It was.
Speaker 10 (54:01):
For I saw you.
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See for.
Speaker 10 (54:16):
I saw you the first I saw you the
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