Back in the Fight: Wylie McGraw on Reenlisting at 45

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You probably notice I'm like kind of like going all
over the place. I actually have some questions written down
for my next guest, and I'm going to introduce Wiley McGraw.
And I believe you're forty five years old, right, I
am welcome to the show, Wiley.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Thanks, Rod, appreciate you having me brother.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yes, now, now what did I bring you on the
show for? Because I'm forty seven, you're forty five, and
here you are deciding to re enlist, maybe not just
a first time, maybe not just a second time through
boot camp, but maybe a third time through boot camp.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, that'll be my third time. Okay, Now, now let's
let's drop that hat right there, and I'm gonna read
Wiley's bio that I was sent over, so let's go
through that real quick. At forty five, Wiley McGraw is
the oldest combat veteran in decades to re enlist for
active duty. But for him, this isn't just about helping
to fix a broken military. A devout Catholic, he felt

(02:45):
a spiritual calling to serve again, believing God and patriotism
left him no choice. After a sixteen year career advising
optimizing the lives of fortune five hundred CEOs, pro athletes,
and billionaires, Wiley answered the call of duty once again,
returning to service as one of the rare few accepted
into special operations psychological warfare.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
Can I say that?

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (03:06):
It's great? Okay perfect.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
So despite a ruptured ACL, he regrew without surgery and
twenty one years out of uniform, He's gearing up for
his third round of boot camp because he believes the
US needs a stronger military.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Now listen, I'm gonna interrupt this bio.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
I feel like I'm reading a movie narrative, like coming
to a theater, So let me keep going.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
I feel good.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
He believes the military is at its weakest point in
modern history, plagued by wokeism, a leadership vacuum, and a
recruitment crisis where seventy seven percent of young Americans are
unfit to serve. Integrity is gone, lethality has declined, and
legacy military families are telling their kids to stay out
Wiley's mission restore core values, mentor future ready soldiers, and

(03:49):
help America face near peer threats like China and Russia.
His views aligned with Trump's hardline vision to rebuild the
military and with veterans like Pete Hegseth now leaving the
pedagog on. He sees this as a moment to help
course correct. Having helped over one hundred combat that's rebuild
their lives, Wiley understands what it takes to face and
overcome personal battles. He believes much of today's culture decline

(04:12):
stems from people avoiding those inner struggles, creating a void
now filled by ideologies that price comfort over strength that
are weakening the nation from within. So he's a voice
for those who believe masculinity, strength, and discomfort matter. Wiley
is set to deploy in August and has no holds
barred perspective on what it really takes to lead and
serve at the highest level.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
Man.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
You've been featured on NBC, MPR, Forbes, the James Alt Show,
Clearedhot softwap, dot Com. Now Wiley is in demand voice
so with mental health, peak performance, and national security, and
he's a powerful presence in today's culture War.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
That's good to be here. I'm looking forward to this conversation. Rad.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
Yes, I feel like I'm also a.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Force in our pop culture warw forces together, all right,
and we both are bearded. Let's call that out right now,
we both got there. You're just gonna be gone soon though.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
Right right, I'm sorry, apologize?

Speaker 4 (05:11):
Yeah please?

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Oh sure, I said, So we have two forces of
the pop culture war together at the same time, me
and you, and we are both bearded, yes, right right, yes, yes,
But yours is going to be gone soon, I said,

(05:32):
because we're filming this in July, and you're going to
be leaving in August. So when this actually goes up
in about two or three weeks, you may be just
in boot camp again.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
I leave August twelve, I fly out to Missouri, So yeah,
I'll definitely be boot camp by the time this comes out.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
So just know that while you're in boot camp folding
your hospital corners yet again, yet again, yet again, you
this will be going out. So let's talk. Okay, So
you have gone to combat three different times, you have enlisted,

(06:09):
re enlisted.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
What is it is it each time?

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Is it something to do with religion that pulls you
back into serve or is it something different like this time,
you know, reading your bio, it's like, you know, you
were called to serve with God. I can respect your faith,
but was the first two times also called to serve
from God?

Speaker 4 (06:26):
Or was that like?

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Yeah, I mean, that's a great question to ask you,
because when I grew up in a legacy military family,
so right off the bat, you know you're being bred
in that environment where you're both your grandparents and both
grandfathers were d D e Vets. One was in the
Army Air Corps fu B seventeens was a barmber with them,
and then my other grandfather was a signallment in the Navy,
so he was off the shores of Normandy. So that

(06:49):
right there started off, I think learning about the military,
the history of the military, what it means to be
born in this country, the blessing that that is, and
then seeing everybody in the family. My father was a
Gorman during the ving ERAa, and my uncles were a
Macvie saw Green Berets during Vietnam. My stepdad, eventually I
found out, was a desert storm vent Towld Bravo combat engineer.
So you know, for us it was more along the

(07:09):
lines of how do we give back to what we
were born into. We grew up in a big Catholic family.
My grandparents are from Scotland and Ireland from the second
generation devout Catholic, believing and trusting in the Lord that
he will guide us and he will provide for us.
So the whole upbringing, being an athlete, getting disciplined in
that manner as well, learning about time and time management,

(07:31):
you know, I talked about that prior to recording, and
just being bred and born and immersed in that environment
was huge for us. So I think myself and my
middle brother we got into high school, I think junior
high high school, we wanted to know what our future
held for us, and we decided to do a Junior
Marine Corps program out in California to kind of get
a feel if the military was our calling, and it

(07:52):
sure was. It landed with both of us. He wanted
to be a seal, I wanted to go jump out
of airplanes, and he can be a ranger. Of course,
both of us joined the Army because as you know,
that's a long story with his old Navy career. But
he became the Ranger. I ended up serving with the
Hunter first Airborne Division as an infantryman and mornerman.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
I loved it.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
I tried it my hardest to get to range your
regiment because that's where I really wanted to go. But
of course the Global warr TERRORSM popped off, so right
before that happened, I had to give up my rangers
school slot and kind of go fight, you know, in
combat with my unit. But I think that was naturally
just I didn't know what to do as a young man,
and it wasn't necessarily I would say conscious that God
put it on my heart to join the military at

(08:30):
that time, even though I feel that we were called
to serve, it felt right. Both my brothers and I
served during the Global War and terrorism, so three of us,
my middle brother and I were and I racked together
in two thousand and three. It felt like it was Yeah,
it was. I got to hang out with him because
I got to fly as a door gunner during the
push to Bag Dead, so I got to hang out
with him at the soft compound called H one that

(08:52):
was out near Syria. So it was really cool to
kind of link up with him. Spend a few days
with him, kind of hear how the Rangers are doing
out there, you know, hearing some stories. But I tried
to stay in. I wanted to stay in. There's just
a lot of hooplah with the military at the time.
You know, they weren't guaranteeing any schools anymore because they
didn't know how the war was going to go. So
I just couldn't give my life anymore to the to
the army if I wasn't going to be guaranteed a

(09:13):
career path that I felt comfortable with. So I got out.
I pursued college, I got an education, but I still
felt this poll in my heart, you know, something was like, hey,
you got to go back. Your buddies are over there.
And I tried to go back in the military in
two thousand and six, and they said no to me.
There was no room for an infantryman, which I thought
was hilarious. No room, I thought, Okay, that's weird.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
It's weird.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yeah, we have no room for you. The recruiter. What's funny, right,
the recruiters that you could be a big will mechanic.
I said, I'm a trigger polar I'd rather that's what
I'm built to do. I'm not a mechanic, I'm not
an agree smokey, and that's not how I'm I'm reformed,
So I quit on that, continued my education, got my
degree in fire science technology, started an alternative medicine program,
and then you know, I started my business working with veterans,
basically helping the guys who were coming home from those

(09:56):
wars deal with combat related stresses and PTSD so they
can keep their benefits while going to school. I helped
usher in a couple veterans resource centers at some of
the local colleges in California. I became a voice for
mental health between the colleges and those veterans to help
them maintain and stabilize benefits so they can go to
school and not lose out on those opportunities. But then

(10:16):
I felt that pull again, so in two thousand and nine,
I tried to go join the army again. They were like, hey,
the height of the war right now in Iraq is
really hot. Everybody wants to be an infantryman. There's still
no room for you. So I realized, I think God
was telling me at that point, look wildly, it's not
the time for you to do this, continue down your
path with your business. You have more important things to
do over here with your talents and your gifts. And
so I continued on my business, working behind the scenes,

(10:38):
being introduced in leaders, public figures, athletes, other veteran leaders
as well to help them battle their demons to PTSD
stress other aspects of life. It was really good at
what I did, but twenty twenty the pandemic kicked off.
I had to come out to the public and create
a website and do all these things I didn't want
to do that I wasn't really like into. And then

(11:00):
it suddenly into twenty twenty two time frame. My business
after my last client kind of started to slow down,
and none of the pr efforts that we were doing
were working. Nothing was landing. People just were not attracted
to the kind of work that I was doing because
I was going against the grain of typical personal development.
I was challenging those kinds of people and realizing they
were keeping people stuck rather than getting them out of
the hold're in. And I thought, well, what it's going

(11:20):
on right now? So I took it to prayer and
I started talking to my wife about it, and I
thought something's going on here, something's changing, nothing's working, And
long story short, I started having these really intense dreams
that I was back in Afghanistan with my mortar team,
and the dream kept reoccurring. It was the same dream
over and over again that we were fighting in the
war over there, and I was excited. I felt really

(11:41):
pulled towards leadership meeting with my guys, and every time
I'd wake up, I'd go I didn't even know I
was home. I'm like, what's going on? Why am I
having the same recurreer current dream weekend and for week
after week. So through discernment in prayer, talking to my priests,
talking to the people in my community, and I realized
in my heart there was this aching is calling pulling
me back, saying you've got to go back into the military,

(12:02):
which I'll tell you what you want to talk about
a midlife crisis. We laugh at that all the time,
Like I did not choose at forty three years old
to wake up one day and say, you know what,
I need a military en listment. And it was just
like yeah, So we laugh about it and I go,
you know, but clearly there's a mission for me there somewhere.
I have no idea what that is. But when I
started to call the recruiter and knock on those doors,
every door started opening up. I mean, the VA said

(12:24):
yes to everything that I needed to fix some of
the injuries ahead in my body. The recruiters are like,
what do you want to do? Will give you anything
you want. We can get you in the special operations
where I think you belong. So all the doors that
we knocked on said yes, used to sock said yes
within two hours of submitting my packet to go to
selection in the qualification course, which was weird that even
the recruiter said, that's unheard of. So I thought, clearly

(12:46):
everything that I was praying on there was the calling
for me to come back in was real and right.
So I just pursued it and took six months to
start to finish. Yeah that's where are going?

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Are you going in as an eighteenh pixtray this time?
Are you going in as an eighteen X ray series?

Speaker 4 (13:02):
Recruit?

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Like?

Speaker 4 (13:02):
Are you going in for the Green Beret? Is that
what I'm understanding? The Q course?

Speaker 3 (13:06):
I'm sorry, right, I think my microphone broke up one
of your bones.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
I couldn't hear you. Oh, I said, sorry, can you
hear me? Now?

Speaker 3 (13:13):
I hear you.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Now did you say that you're going through the Q
course for special selections for Green Beret or what was
that that you're going through?

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Yeah? Still some reason I'm not catching what you're saying,
but maybe that's my fault. So can you just repeat
one more time?

Speaker 4 (13:28):
Oh? You know what? Yeah? Are you?

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Are you re enlisting under a contract? Are you following
me so far?

Speaker 4 (13:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (13:39):
I just I didn't hear the first part. I don't
know why.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
Okay, so your contract? Is it an eighteen X ray contract?

Speaker 3 (13:45):
No, it's another job in special operations. I don't get
too much into that because I'm sure not too really
they say docs myself. But it is in alignment with
the Green Beret community. It's an information warfare out. That's
as much as I can share. The long story short
of it is that it was the job that I
was most qualified for, and they said, this is what
you know. They want you, they need you. They're short

(14:07):
on people. I thought there's no age limit to that
job specifically, and I've been doing my research on it
and I feel like i'm you know, I'm prepared for
the last year and a half physically, and yeah, it's
going to be a very very interesting ride for sure.
So you're airborne. I'm sorry you are airborne? Yes, I
will be active airborne. Yes, the job requires an airborne qualification.

(14:28):
Are you already airborne? No I'm not.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
Yeah, right, so you could be in the hundred and
first Airborne and still not be airborne.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
Yeah, the hundred first Airborne, I mean, that's the time
on a tradition of what it was at first originally
used for was an air active Airborne division, but over
the years, you know, they transferred into the air Assault
kind of like approach to combat tactics. It still has
airborne units on posts that the you know, fifth Special
Forces Group alerts people different units within the division, but
it's an aerossault division. They just kept the moniker of

(14:58):
airborne on top of the unit. Yeah, you I had
Airborne in my contract when I first joined. But long
story short with that is when I went to Fort
Benning and graduated from Infantry training, I went to the
Air Airborne Medical physical and they ended up telling us
that they needed to push through nine different West Point
cadets that had graduated and needed their slots to get
to their unit because they were they were needed ACEPS,

(15:19):
So we got the We got the big Green Weenie
is what we call it. Where it's it's kind of
like the needs of the army. Sorry, guys, you're the
lowest men on the tone pool. We got to take
your slots. So I just sucked it up and dealt
with it. I was like, whatever, I just didn't do
all this again for the second time to get out
of the military, out to breach a contract thing. So
I stuck it out, went to the aerosolt school. You know,
I did EIB, got my EIB while I was there
as well, and I just I was fine with it.

(15:40):
But when I tried to re enlit, I did reenlist
after I got home from Kosovo my first deployment, I
asked for Airborne and they basically told me that I
was there was no need for me to have that.
Even though I was trying to get to Ranger Regiment.
I thought, well, this is this is the second time
the Army's kind of kicked me in the face. So
when I was up for reenlistment in Iraq and three,
my first ardant it was a former RRC guy Ranger
Condisce guy say, hey, what do you want to do,

(16:01):
and I said, I want to get to battalion. No,
that's where my brother is. That's what I want to do.
And he's like, well, we can get you airborne in
arrangers school when we get back home and you know,
six months from now, but you have to give us
six years. And I thought that's a little bit of
a hefty ask for a non guaranteed thing, especially in
a combat rotation like this. So I just that's so
now I'm finally going to get to be no more
a leg I actually get to go to airborne school.

(16:24):
All these years and experience, I've been preparing my knees
for this for sure, doing a lot of plfs at
the gym, doing a lot of you know, preventive medicine
for my knees, for general medicine, prolo therapy PRP, to
make sure I have all the tissue that I need
to handle the impact of jumping out of military aircraft.
So I have six hundred and fifty seven hundred civilian skydives,
which is a completely different beast all on itself. But

(16:45):
I'm looking forward to doing the static line stuff.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah, static line plfs I remember my father, he was
he's a Green Beret, and he would get ready with
his guys and they would just jump off the picnic
table on the tarmac and they would just do a
couple picnics. And I'd get up on the picnic table
with him, and I'd walk off the end of the
picnic table and hit my knees and roll, you know.
And I was a little ten year old me and
stuff like that, So, yeah, you're dead. And I did

(17:09):
see one of my dad's guys get picked up on
a halo shoot. He was wearing he was a square one.
They all static lined. And then his buddy, one of
his special guys, He's like, I'm gonna jump out with
the Yeah, the square shoot, right. But he was a little,
a little, a little dude. He was about five foot four,
and the wind picked him up about thirty feet off

(17:31):
the ground and slammed him.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
Yeah, that's ruptured my acl It is because my parachute
collapsed in twenty feet on the landing. But there was
no wind coming in in ocean side, and I had
no power in my flair whatsoever. So I went straight
to the earth. And when I did my PLF, which
is what we're talking to do in the skydiving community.
And the way I twisted to kind of roll with
the fall, I kind of rotated my knee and tore
my acl So it's just it's lessons learned. But nevertheless,

(17:57):
at least I didn't femur myself. You know, everybody that
came right the world usually breaks their femur or their
tip fibot. So I was glad at least I I'd
rather tear the tissue rather than break the.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Bone or a pelvis. You know, pelvis is get broken,
feet get broken. You know, my dad's my dad's union
got dropped.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Skydiver's hitting the ground and breaking everything in their body
and it's not fun. So you got to be very
mindful of how you do these operational stuff. You got
to be well focused in train. When you train, it's
a it's not a thing just to kind of take
capaz release, skydiving, military free fall, you know, static line,
all of those things. A lot of the guys I
jump with, our Navy Seals, green Berets, guys of a
military freefall instructors that I jump with, and we constantly

(18:36):
focus on, hey, how do you handle emergency procedures. When
you're about to land, how do you take care of
your parachute if you have no power in it whatsoever?
How do you make sure your body can hit the
ground properly so you don't end up injured. So it's
it's some guys don't focus on that and they get
really badly hurt, They lose, They get distracted when they're
in the middle of landing their parishutes. Like you, guys,
a skydive's not done until you're walking back to the packing.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
Area, period.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah, I mean, skydiving is attempting suicide with the chant
hopes of living. You're literally hugging yourself out of a
plane purposefully, and what's the end result that could happen?
We already know it's death. It's so serious, you know,
But yet your shoot opens and you're like, I'm alive.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
But you're alive. You're alive from that moment. So you
have to still manage and control your parachute all the
way to the ground. You're still responsible to fly that
canopy until you land safely. You're not out of the
skydive until you're walking back with your buddies laughing about
what you guys just did in the sky.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
And I think people.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
From the military side of things all the way even
to the civilian side of things, some people get distractive
or they forget that crucial element is like you have
to maintain that that standard, that discipline so that you
can walk away from these things because and in the
military community, I mean, jumping is not is dangerous, it's
much more dangerous than skydiving. So I think people I've
heard stories my brother was a Ranger of Regiment guys
and are making mistakes coming out of these aircraft at

(19:52):
eight hundred feet doing these like mock combat jumps, and
it's like in ranger regiment and they're getting hurt landing
on the rucksack, breaking their legs and pelvises because they
lose that focus. They don't maintain the feet knees together,
they don't really remember their PLF properly. They just basically.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Bullet It's so true because you know, Wiley, my dad's
unit was dropped on a night drop out of training
out here at Camp Williams. They were doing combat jumps
and I think they were slotted for like seven hundred
or six hundred and seven hundred feet and what happened
was they were on course to see when thirty was cruising,
and they got the go from the jump master of
the guys, you know, are you hearing me still?

Speaker 4 (20:28):
You still got me? Right?

Speaker 3 (20:30):
I got you, but I mean it's coming in and out.
Just be to be honest with you. But that's fine,
I can I can roll with you, okay.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
And they dropped him on the side of a mountain
at night, so the altitude was there, but the distance wasn't,
and so the guy scattered down, broken femurs, broken feet,
Pelvis's my dad got a head injury. That pretty much
outed him out of the military, all his whole unit.
That sucks, the whole eighteen bro Oh jeez, in a

(20:56):
training mission.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
You got to take out on an entire operational ashman.
It's not the right thing to do. Especially when it
comes to training. That's still wrong.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
So so they they you have to really treat it
every single time as if it's the realest thing ever.
And when you're saying that you're working with these Navy
seals and these other airborne and skydivers who are constantly
checking each other, that's proper. You're going to bring that
old head mentality to your your platoon. You're going back

(21:24):
in the army, right I am. Yeah, these young kids
are going to look at you as an old head, right,
that's right, So I should just start calling you Grandpa Wiley.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yeah, I knew that was coming.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
Ah, you sure did.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
I did. That's all right, and I'm okay with that.
But that's I think that's part of the mission too,
is be able to mentor some of these young guys,
whether I know where it's gonna happen or how it's
going to happen. Is if I can bestow some information
or knowledge that I've learned through my mistakes in this
you know, in this world over the last two plus years,
and save somebody the hassle or the heartache of an injury,
because it sucks when you get injured. And then I'm

(22:01):
happy to bestow that because at the end of the day,
attention to detail is primary. You checking your gear over
and over again. You should never think that you've got
it figured out once you've kind of got the fundamentals down.
I think in the community as well. You know, a
lot of guys get complacent on the aircraft. It's like
you have to be mindful every single step of the way,
that you can never become complacent because you will get

(22:22):
hurt or killed. And at the end of the day,
I think giving that information to soldiers, young soldiers so
they can take that with them through their careers wherever
they go, is going to be pertinent.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
So one hundred percent, bro. And you you don't have
to shine your boots anymore.

Speaker 4 (22:35):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Did you even shine your boots when you went I
did the Army in the nineties. Yeah, that's right, Yeah,
that's right. Wait, yeah, third time now, Now I want
to call out someone who joined the military as well
from nineteen seventy eight he enlisted. It was staff Sergeant
Monty Gould. I'm not sure if you're familiar with Monty.

(22:56):
Monty joined the Marine Corps in nineteen seventy eight and
then he re enlisted in twenty twenty at fifty nine
years of age.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
Yeah, that's who that is into the.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Army as a staff sergeant who has been there and
done that kind of attitude. You know, I know that
Ears says that in the last decades. You know that
you are like the oldest to go through boot camp,
perhaps with combat experience.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Yeah, it's interesting and I know that that was probably
thrown in there given the work that I'm gonna go
do the people that are trying to support you know
this mission, get it and give me on the show,
et cetera. But yeah, I think what I've heard was
I'm apparently in the oldest that has been recruited in
the Phoenix surrounding Phoenix area. I see because I know
who that is, and I remember reading about him a
few years ago and how he he reenlisted. He went

(23:42):
back through basic training and the infantry again, and I thought, well,
if that fifty nine year old man you do it,
there's no way in heck that I should be worried
about my ability to complete that as well. So yes,
kudos to him. I think it comes down to, especially
at your age, it's mindset as well, and are you
physically prepared to meet the standard set forth by the community,
so to me, mindset, and then making sure I'm training
harder than I expect to be beaten up when I
get back in there, so that my body can handle

(24:03):
the riggers that they're going to put me through. I've
already done it myself and it's try. I mean, when
I've been running a lot lately been running twenty miles
a week and it's amazing when you run by yourself,
how boring it is. But I realized if I can
do it by myself, then I should be okay on
a team.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Need a cadence with people doing the same thing with you. Left, right, left.
Don't forget how to walk. You know what I'm saying,
You like, did you forgot how to walk?

Speaker 3 (24:26):
Not at all.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
I'll tell you how to walk left, right, left.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
There's that whole thing with the Green Berets at the
military parade that we're out of step and everybody blew
up on the internet about it, where it's like, you know,
these war fighters get even martian step. And part of
it's like, I agree with that you should be disciplined
enough in the drill the ceremony things, because it's part
of the structure of the military discipline. But at the
same time, do you really care more about your war
fighters like that actually being efficient and droll ceremony? You
want them to spend more time on going and doing

(24:51):
what they're meant to be doing. So it's fun, But
I never I will never forget roll and ceremony for
because I realize how important it is, and I want
to make sure that if I'm in a position of
leadership at some point, then I'm doing that to these
young kids so they don't think that I'm slacking, and
then they think it's okay to slack.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
So you're referencing the Green Berets that were marching for
the seventeen seventy six slash Trump Birthday in Washington earlier
this year. I actually saw what you just are referencing
on a video, so I picked up on that, and
I just want to describe to my listener. You know,
during the President's Birthday or the seventeen seventy six of

(25:25):
the Army, however you split it. You know, they're driving
tanks down and you know there was a scene where
there was like a whole company of SF Special Forces
Green Berets just moving down the parade route. You know,
we don't know what their orders were to get be given.
No one said hey, you can just march at ease.
You know, no one said anything like, hey, we don't
know what they were told. And those guys are unconventional

(25:47):
warfighters who rock rucksacks on their back with radio equipment
and heavy equipment in them all day.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
Long every day everywhere, all over the place.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
They're jumping out of air planes, They're doing all these
different types of things that require them to be who
they are. And so if they want to just kick
it and break dance, if they want to bust out
a move, I'm chill with it, because again, my dad
is a Green Beret. And so I walked around with
those guys growing up as a young little mowgli, you know,
just looking at all these big balloes and all these

(26:20):
bigearas from the Jungle Book, like all these big dudes
just like bringing me into their culture.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
I'm okay with them just not chalantly walking.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
And some say that might have been their way of saying,
we're just being told to do this.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
That's true, that's true, because they don't.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
Do anything politicizing it. No.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
No, they're surgical, they're scalpels, they are surgeons. And you
know they could have been just marching if we're going
to guess, just we have to be here because we
were ordered to. And you know, they don't believe in
politicizing themselves, but politicians want to politicize them.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Of course they do. So they going to leach on
too or latch onto something very small and insignificant. Is
that so I totally understand what you're saying. Is yeah,
my uncles are Green Berets too. Before he died, my
one uncle was a Macmee Sag guy, and stories we
talked about in the community when he went in the
Vietnam and just how they were like, dude, this is
all we focus on. We're not meant to just be
these political like pawns for people, and presidents were designed

(27:21):
to be in the shadows doing our job, and when
people will try to use us as these like political
pawn pieces for their their agendas, he's like, we don't care.
We'll basically give him the middle finger. And I was like, Okay,
kudos to you, man, that's great.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
You know, that's good you say that.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
I was talking to a lieutenant general one day, of
course I was, and he said to me, hey, Rad,
I'm like, what's up, sir, dude, sir, And he's like,
it's like, how did you transition from one Republican president
to a democratic president? How did you make that transition
happen to be peaceful and not like politicize. He's like, well,

(27:56):
I'll tell you right now, Rad. It says US Army,
US Marine, it says US Navy, US Coast Guard, US
Space Force. Is that a thing. I'm just saying, okay,
because he said that's what it is. That transition means
the US comes first, not either side. And so I'm
happy to hear you say that, because you know, I

(28:19):
just like to hear that. I want to hear that.
It can be a green bereay just saying hey, I'm
just here man, because you told me to be here. Dude,
now you need me to go over there and do
these other things that are really horrible.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yeah, and that's I'm glad you said that too, because
make this quick. We swear our oath. The first part
of the oath is saying, I swear my oath to
the Constitution of the United States. Yes, we might say
after that, and again it's in the oath that we
will obey the orders of the President of the United
States and the offers officers appointed over me. But that
doesn't mean that we will blind give blind allegiance just

(28:50):
to the man in office. We're focused on the Constitution
for any personally in my whole families. That way, it's
like we're all about our country, our flag our constitution first.
If anybody goes against that, I don't. I'm not supporting
that whatsoever. It's like, you know what, And I hope
that there are more people out there that realize if
we can get back to the constitutional foundations of this republic,
we can actually steer the ship back in the right direction.

(29:10):
And it starts with the military. And I think that's
what you talked about earlier, is that if I can
play a part in helping turn the ship around a
small piece of it. I'm just one man. But at
the end of the day, the one man, one man,
one man. We build it up with people the same
kind of mindset, focus at values. We can re direct
the ship back into where it's but it belongs to.
It can help usher in that kind of value system

(29:31):
back into the republic, for people to focus on the
constitution and not on the personal feelings or the personal agendas,
or their political views or whatever their social experiments they
want to play with. Let's get us back on the
right track. We've never been perfect. This country will never
be perfect. Nobody will ever be perfect. So if anybody
keeps focusing on well America, I see all these problems
you guys had So how can you think you're great?
It's like, why are you focused on the small problems? Yes,

(29:52):
they suck. Why aren't you focus on the good things
that we have done for the world. I mean, we've
sacrificed blood, money, tiers, time, and to save and protect
people all around this world. And we need to get
back to that in that position as well.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
And I agree, you know, and like cutting these programs
that have been out there recently, right and is like
you know, like us aid. You know, I've talked to
people all over the spectrum, believe it or not, you know,
who are involved in these you know, letting goes.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
Can I come on your show and talk.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
About X y Z, you know, And I'm just like,
you know, I want I'm okay with I guess my
tax dollars helping people if that's where they're going, you know,
and if it's for another nation to have a healthy
you know, drinking well or water or from famine, you know,
so that it could be a better country, so that
they could be a better people to the to themselves,

(30:41):
and that overall, you know, my like you know, you
can have a whole bunch of armies working together or
you can have Caesar getting killed, you can have Pompei
getting his head cut off, you can have you know,
all these different leaders who thought that they would just
control people, just control the situation right now. Some of
them wanted to give to others, but they also wanted

(31:03):
it all for themselves. And so look what happened to
Caesar stabbed multiple times, you know, beheaded was POMPEII. You know,
all these people back in the day want to control
over the whole world.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
Alexander is great.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Yep, yeah, I was thinking about that too, and it
comes back to you, what are they focused on as leaders?
Leadership is not about their position, It's not about their power.
It's about being able to inspire and move and motivate
people that you're there to lead, but also create more
leaders because of that impact. I think if we get
back to a value system focusing on discipline and more

(31:36):
like objective morally, not subjective morally, realizing that the inherent
goods starts at home, starts with disciplining children, disciplining yourself,
leading from it by example, not saying the words and
then going off and doing something different like our politicians do.
But going back to what you said, Green, like Greenbreys.
If you think about the Green Break community, they were
they were built to go off and conduct not only

(31:57):
unconnected to warfare, but it's forced for an internal defense
force multipliers. They're there to help build up people within
communities and countries that are being oppressed so that we
can push back on that and get to get the
world to actually live in harmony and move together in
one in one direction. And we have this chaos going
on because our leaders forget where they can come from
their influence by something evil that they allow their personal

(32:20):
agendas to get in the way of their job title
and their responsibilities. How do we stop that, Well, we've
got to get more people in positions of power and
influence that have these types of morals and focus get
us back on track to realize that we cannot sustain
like Caesar, et cetera, if we keep going down this track.
And you can see the cracks happening all around the
world right now.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
Very much so.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
And I mean, you know, we kind of as a
US nation seem to be, you know, just flexing right
now and saying like you know, number one here, number
one here, But we should be really worried about what
we care about, and that's everybody else also being number
one as an American, you know.

Speaker 4 (32:54):
That's how I feel it.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah, you know for Sweden's number one, we're number one,
and there was all number one. Well, everything's like.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
I don't know, I don't understand the mindset, but at
the end of the day, I kind of do too.
Some of the leaders I work with in the past,
and you can see the internal mechanisms of where their
mind is at. It's like, this is why your personal
and professional lives are broken. This is why you're not
getting as much done as you could be getting done
given who you are, your capacity, what you've accomplished. So
if you look at leadership around the world, there's so
much pride and ego and vanity involved in that nobody

(33:25):
is pulling them back and saying, hey, this is exactly
why you can't solve the problems you're facing right now.
You're putting the blame on other people. You're not taking
unresponsibile You and I talked about be prior to this conversation,
where it's like, if you can realize being in a
failure position, failure is part of success, it's part of life.
It's how you react to failure that matters, not the
failure itself. And I think leaders around the world, especially

(33:46):
in America, are so focused on avoiding feeling the embarrassment
of their failures, they keep pivoting and putting the blame
on other people, and then we're seeing the results of
that is chaos in the community, chaos in society. Stability
has gone out the window. People are not able to
have conversations without lobbying, ad hominine attacks. People don't know
how to stay on topic focused on the one piece

(34:07):
that where we're trying to discuss. Everybody keeps what about
each other, moving different the goalposts, and that starts when
stops with leadership. It really comes down to the person
in that position of power going okay, can I accept
responsibility in the face of embarrassment and letting people see
that humility is the strength. My ability to actually be
a leader and be respected comes to my ability to
accept and acknowledge my failures and do something about them

(34:29):
or respond to them differently so that I can bestow
that kind of wisdom and knowledge on the people that
follow me and uplift them as well. So as America
we were built, if we're the head of the pack.
We're the wealthiest country on the earth and we've had
the most the most historically successful country in the history
of the world. Our job is to be uplifting people
rather than trying to hold them down and make them

(34:49):
feel like they're less than. It's like, guys, this is
the problem, and we could fight evil in this world,
but you're not going to do it with trying to
act like you're a tough bully on the block. And
we're not supposed to do that now. Difference between proppy
people up and sustaining them financially versus giving them a
little bit of a headway so they can actually grab
on the horns themselves and pull themselves up with our

(35:09):
support as leaders. And I think that's what we're.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Missing, right And so like you know, sometimes, you know,
there's people that are going to that need to recognize
the word like hypocrite, you know, you know, and I
think that you know, it's something that they don't want
to acknowledge, is that they themselves may be a hypocrite
of their rule. It's like, oh, you can't do this,
but then they're doing this, and or you shouldn't do this.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
Don't you do it. But then they're doing it.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
It's like, Okay, well that's a hypocrite, right, And my
kids say, hey, Dad, you're a hypocrite, you said.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
You know. I'm like, that's not how this works. This
is communism in here. I am right.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Okay, you are honestly, in a household like that, as
a father, you're the lead, the svirtual lead, right, So
take the family in the right direction, right, and you'll
create this containment for building morals and values and systems, etc.
So that your children can thrive in the outside world. Now, unfortunately,
in a household like that, like my father, it's like, hey,
guess what, it is more autocratic. We got to listen

(36:11):
and respect these rules. We have to do what he
tells us to do until we are established as adults
and we can go out make our own decisions. But
when it comes to if you take that into politics
and take into a country, it's different. You can't do
the same thing you can do at a household. You
have to realize the whole point of our founding republic
is that everybody has a voice and everybody's rights are
protected so that we can work together and seeking in

(36:33):
unity as a government of the people, by the people
and for the people. And I think the leaders they're
not leaders. The representatives have forgotten that they given this
position of power and influence, and that power influence and
like almost perverts who they are, and they get caught
up in the high of that and they want more
of it and they start to think truly that they
are superior to the people they were meant to represent.

(36:53):
That's where the hypocrisy comes in. It's like, who are you?
You got elected to do this? No, you did, just
take power into power. We chose your right and you're
turned around forgetting that we chose you.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Or the person we chose chooses other people because they
can then then they can place them in their positions.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
And so they say, well, I was chosen.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
I'm the chosen one, so I get to I get
to do it because that's who America voted for. And
whether you're on either side of the aisle, that guy
or gal is who was chosen for. And you know,
if if they believe in God and the other guy
believes in God, then they're chosen by God.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
There God, I mean really right? If they Yeah, so
let me ask you this.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Okay, okay, let's talk about God for a second, right,
I come from a Mormon Latter day Saint household, all right?
And our God is he the same as the Catholic God?
So is he the same as the other Christian gods?
So is it only a certain God? That is it
the American Jesus?

Speaker 4 (37:52):
That is right?

Speaker 3 (37:54):
People start putting labels and definitions on things they don't
even know anything about.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
You know what I'm I've grown up. I'm very vote,
very well versed.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
People may not realize we could bat the Bible back
and forth, and I'll just be like, well, show me
in the Bible where the woman wrote a section other
than Esther, which is written by a guy. Because if
we really go off of any of these old Bibles,
they were all written by men because women weren't allowed
to write in the Bible or script it, sure, Keith.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
So we all we have is So what I'm saying is,
how do we know Holy? Right?

Speaker 2 (38:28):
So we have a faith. That's the word faith. So
faith doesn't mean fact. Faith means a belief. So I
have faith in what I believe in. You have faith
in what you believe in. We can say, wow, I
survived being on the ocean for twenty three days with
nothing because God saved me. That's the faith you believe
that pulled you through that situation. But did God come

(38:51):
down with his hand and pick you up and put
you on the island or did you float to the island?
Was that God holding you under the water floating into
the island? You know what I'm saying, because like footsteps
in the sand? Is the reason why you don't see
another set is because I was carrying you. You know,
God's like, do you see these footprints in the sand? Yeah,
but why is there not another second set?

Speaker 4 (39:11):
Well?

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Because I was carrying you. Those are my feet print, right,
the feet print in the sand. So it's like if
you know that, Like, I don't know. I'm just trying
to figure this out because you know, I've got friends
who I say, Asa Mama, lakem to, and they have
a whole nother God, and I like them and they're
my friends, and I don't think that their God would
be is.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
How do we bring everybody together? What do we do here?

Speaker 2 (39:36):
How can we just have this American Jesus idealology right
now where it's like America's God is the right one.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
I think at the end of the day when it
comes out to you, I'm glad you sure all that
is it's you know, I've talked to other Christians, other
people that have are very adamant about having to basically
call them Bible uppers, pound there the belief into other people,
and I've asked them questions. I said, look, is that
changing anybody's hearts or minds what you're doing? And they're like, well,
not really. I'm like, so, then why aren't you trying
a different approach? It's not about you trying to convince

(40:08):
other people. It's about you just sharing who you are,
your story, where you're at, how it's led to you
into life. You have to let them they can see
it at as an example, and then letting whatever happens
for them personally change them the way that they need
to be changed. It's not about you trying to change
them that you have no power to do that. So
I like what you shared with that is like having
respect for other people. I think there is an objective
morality that's all imprinted on all of our hearts. That's

(40:28):
why people are inherently they know lying is not right.
They know that there's certain things that you don't do
in society, you don't cross lines with each other. People
just allow themselves to override those I would say guardrails,
and they go into politics and they forget about those
pieces of it and they try to navigate it their way,
and they create these subjective ideas of faith and morality

(40:51):
and truth, and then they put that out into the
world as if they are truly morally high the higher ground,
and they say they're better than you, and then we
start fighting with each other and again. And if you
break it all down rad it comes back to again
Jocko talks about it. Other people in the community to
talk about it. Leadership. It all starts to stop with
how you operate, and your personal life is going to
bleed into your professional life, and we're going to see

(41:12):
that on the world stage and it's going to influence
and affect people in a very negative way. And you
can see what's happening in our country and now consequently
around the world. And it comes back to are you
willing to set aside your personal agenda, your personal ideals
of what you think is right and actually do what's right.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Yeah, Because like that takes me into another lane, right,
all of a sudden, I'm thinking like, okay, well, thank
you for answering that, and let's getting into that crazy conversation.
I love to have just a casual conversation and see
where it goes about that about religion or whatnot. But
let's talk about the hypocrite thing that I mentioned about
leaderships and politics and then using also religion as their scapegoat.

(41:54):
So let's say there is a hypothetical secretary of Defense
out there there who gets interviewed by Congress, and that
person is very I believe in the Bible. I believe
in the Bible that is the word of the God.
By bye by has tattoos of crosses on him and
for let's just say that guy exists, yea quote unquote.
Then he says, I'm going to change the military. I'm

(42:17):
gonna make it, you know, strong and hard and where
it needs to be, and I'm going to make changes
and shift it around because you know that's what needs
to be because I believe in that, right, Okay, cool?
And then he goes and say this quote unquote secretary
kicks out people who aren't like him, who dress a

(42:39):
different way outside of the uniform, who might you know,
you know, be a dude, that wears makeup. Okay, maybe
they have. Maybe they're a dancer and they wear makeup
and they consider that trans or whatever the case is. Okay,
all these things that you know, a lot of people
DEI has been thrown around, you know, you know, versity, equity, inclusion,

(43:01):
and these types of things are being thrown around as
like it needs to go away. It's just not a
healthy thing. Let's say that Secretary of Defense himself wore makeup.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
Every day.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
As a man, as the leader of our forces, but
yet tells another man in the military he can't wear
makeup or else he's out of the military.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
What do you think about a hypocrite like that?

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Well, I mean that's an interesting question. You pose that
you're trying to pull out my perspective on that. Yes,
I think nuance and context matter. I think it's easy
to I mean, really looks similar and immediately accuse. Okay,
I see that. Okay, Well, how is he wearing makeup?

(43:50):
Where is he wearing makeup?

Speaker 2 (43:51):
You just wearing makeup? Just a guy and a guy guy,
both guys. They wear a makeup makeup for women by
max Factor. They're both wearing it. They're both getting it
put on if if they both know what blotting.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
Paper is, then they wear makeup.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Okay, so let's just say that they know, and let's
say they even put on their own makeup because they
think it looks better the way they do it themselves
sometimes because they're like, you're not getting me right.

Speaker 4 (44:12):
What if they have that.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Attitude and they have a mirror in a dressing room
where they get dressed up with makeup and then they
go and talk to the American people in makeup because
they want to look good on camera. But then you
have another guy who also wears makeup, but he's thrown
into this other category even though he's on camera outside
the uniform.

Speaker 4 (44:32):
It's not in uniform.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
So let's say I was in military and I was
a drag performer myself, and I wore makeup for my
show as a man, right straight up, and another man's
telling me, as a man, I can't do that, but
he does that.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
Is that a hypocrite when he's performing as well?

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Yeah, I mean on the surface, straight up black and white.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
You can say that, yeah, And does that leak into
the functions?

Speaker 4 (45:08):
Do you think of that person's mentality.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
I've seen it firsthand that what you do in your
personal life does affect your professional life, and people thinking
that you can separate that when you walk through the
door of your business, they're lying to themselves. I will
I will die on that hill. I've seen it personally
with public figures. I've worked with celebrities, I've worked with
professional athletes privately in their lives, and I've seen the
decisions they make. The way in which they operate personally

(45:32):
does bleed into their professional decision making, their leadership, their attitude,
their mindset. So I think it comes back to let's
look at the nuanced context of what is happening here
with this individual versus this individual. And if you look
at the whole transgender movement in the military and everybody
fighting to keep them in here, number one, it's like
they are there's a lot more going on than them

(45:53):
simply just putting some makeup on. Because when I was
in the military, there were guys that were doing, you know,
wearing you know, women's clothes off duty to have fun,
just playing around. There's guys that were putting makeup on,
but they did not live a life believing that there
was something else, and that's why they were doing that.
So the other problem of it is too in the military,
people that are living that life and believing they are

(46:15):
an opposite sex of what they're born into. Believing there's
something completely different conflates their ability to perform their tasks
because number one, they're not deployable. Number two, they're constantly
needing something to maintain this idea of who they are
rather than being who they are. It does have an
effect on the performance of a unit because what you
start doing is you start changing the way in which

(46:35):
you treat that person or these individuals or these groups
of people in this community. That the military is not.
It's not supposed to be a social experiment. It's not
supposed to be a place where people get to express
individual feelings and ideas. And that's what we're going to
focus on. The military is a supposed to be homogenous,
like a political everybody.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
It's supposed to be a melting pot of American and
it's the volunteer military.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
And if someone who identifies.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
How they identify, let's just put it out there like that, Okay,
whatever they want to identify as wants to join, and
and it's it was, It was fine, nothing was a problem.
I mean I know, I know female, she identifies female, female, Okay,
call her female airborne airborne okay, hunub percent deploys.

Speaker 4 (47:21):
So I.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
I, personally, I don't know if I think that that's
the case of non deployable.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
Right.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
There may be some mind mental things that we all
live with straight trans whatever, but I don't think that
deployable is the key for me, right And now, I'm
just we're just going back and forth like a tennis
match here, and I just wanted to hear your take
on it, because you know, your bio does speak to
you believe in that same mission statement that's going.

Speaker 4 (47:53):
Out right now.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
And I just want to make sure I understand that
because the people I know currently in the military who
have been outed or or are you know, maybe going
to resign themselves after a long time in there sadly,
you know, or the ladies that are sergeant major that
are being let go. I'm like, come on, it's sergeant major.
She's like, b A, you know, I just I don't

(48:15):
understand that mentality, is what I'm saying. And you're kind
of going into that world now, and and I and
I want you just to know that me personally, I
don't understand what the difference is. You know, if someone
has my six, I believe they have my six.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
Isn't that it it? It's like I got your six.
Isn't that a mondeo about?

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Yeah? It is, But that's that's how are you going
to have someone six?

Speaker 4 (48:37):
Though?

Speaker 3 (48:38):
I think?

Speaker 4 (48:38):
Let me back up so I can just answer yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
You have to look at the fruits of the actions
being taken by an entity, not the entity itself. I
think if you look at the fruits of the individual,
fruits of the unit, fruits of the military as a whole,
can you cough say that it was exactly where it
should be and it's supposed to be meant to be

(49:05):
as a war fighting machine, or have things gone off
the rails and we have started to break down the
fundamental purpose of a military, which is war fighting and
looking at the military. When you join the military, I
don't it doesn't matter if you're male, female, black, white, brown,
purple or green. When you join the military, every single person,
no matter what your mos is, is supposed to be

(49:27):
prepared to be deployable. You can't go in the military
and go well, I want to avoid being deployed because
I want to focus on changing who I am, which
is what I've heard from people firsthand. Colonels want star
generals that I know people that I've talked to said, hey,
we've had people coming in strictly to transition their gender
and they spend the entire four years of their listment

(49:48):
doing that and then they get out. So what was
the purpose of that individual or groups of people doing
that in the military. That's not what the military is for.
And I think we've gotten off the track, as in,
I have no problem if somebody can carry their weight
to meet the standards and they can operate in a
place where they are meant to be. But the idea
that we are it's like, I'm a two hundred and
twenty pound guy. When I'm kidded out, I weigh three

(50:10):
hundred and fifty pounds. I want someone who can pull
me out of a gunfight if I am down. If
you can't do that, I don't care what jenuf. There
are men that can't do that.

Speaker 4 (50:17):
Out of bro.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
My friend's five foot three marine infantry. I'm six foot five.
I'm two seventy bro, and if it was here, he's
five to three. He's full on marine infantry. Bro, you
think he canna do everything he can to drag carrying
fire carry me, But he's not gonna be able to
unless I'm half a body.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
Guys like him do it. I've seen guys like him trying.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
I get that.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
But I've seen Gi Jane man and she pulled him
out of the tank. All right, bro at the end
spoiler alert if you haven't seen Gi Jane, all right,
when you pull a burning man out of a tank, O'Neil,
all right, she did it. Shaved her head too. She
shaved her head too because she's like, this hair is
in my way.

Speaker 4 (50:59):
I get that.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Like, if this hair was in my way at boot camp,
I would say take it all off. Because when I
went through boot camp, I showered and shaved in like
twenty seven seconds.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Yeah, okay, that's how we do it.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Dry shaved of the locker, showered with one squirt of
body wash all over my ball body.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
Yeah, out the shower, pt gear or whatever gear you're
getting into, and off you go. Right. Oh my god,
I can't believe you're going through boot camp. And again,
my friend, uh, we'll call him solid, all right, so
he knows who he is. Solid.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Just graduated three days ago from boot camp.

Speaker 4 (51:35):
Second time he's going front.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
He he's a sky soldier, so one hundred seventy four yep, okay,
But that was his previous life back in eight Now
he's going to go do something else today, which I
don't want to dox him, I suppose because he's fresh
right now.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
And he's like, yo, Rad, why bro, why why he
dogs me?

Speaker 2 (51:57):
No, now that you say that, I'm gonna use that word,
but you know, he just said that he had more
bleeding on his class as. When he put them on,
everyone realized that he had a he had a combat
Action badge, he had his airborne jump wings. He has
been in the suck. He's called five piss off grids
with his being a forward air controller. You're a Ford observer.

(52:21):
You know, he's done all of it, right, And here
he is going through boot camp and he's like, yeah,
my drill sergeant didn't even have the rack I have
or any of the bleing I have. But I want
to tell you that I was humbled, and I'm humboled
Rad and and I can't wait to get this Pogue
beret off my head. And he's like, I can't wait
to get this off. It's gonna be changing. You'll see,
You'll see. And I'm like, oh, okay, I know what

(52:43):
you're doing, dude, I know what you're doing now that
you're thirty three, all right, a little more mature, some
time under his belt. But again, he took quite a
step away, you know. And I always thought that you
could just kind of get back in. But is there
like a time frame. So if I have a listener
out there, right, Wiley, let's ask that as a listener
listening and they're like maybe thirty seven years old and
they got some experience eight years ago they.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
Got out, do they have to reenlist tell me that?

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Well, yeah, I mean what I found out is number
one boot camp.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
I mean yeah, yes, Well, you've.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Been out more than five years, you're required to go
back to basic training to the it And it's not
because they think you forgot how to be a soldier.
It's because there are technology and SOPs changed, especially the
last twenty years of war. So they just want to
up like almost keep you up to speed, Requalify you
on weapons systems, make sure you know the standard operating
procedures of the military as it is now, versus when

(53:33):
you were in. So I've been out twenty one years.
That's why I have to go back. So anybody that's
been out less than five years or less doesn't have
to go back to basic training. It's those who have
been out longer, so that's all they require to do it.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
Now.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
That's why I'm going back for the third time again.
I was talking to Andy Kames. I was talking Andy
stuff on his show a couple of years ago, and
he was like, dude, why would you do boot camp twice?
And that was the time we were chatting about. I said,
because I was in the reserves in high school to
get some experience under my belt, and then I went
active duty. So I changed MOSS and the required me
to go back to basic training as an infantryment. So
that's why I had to go twice. But this is

(54:05):
the third time because I've been out for twenty one
years and I'm changing MOS and so I'm going into
a Special Operations MS. I have to go train, get
the kind of qualifications at Basic for nine weeks, get
the thirteen weeks aiit, go to jump school, and then
I have to go to Camp MC call for a
fifty week long pipeline. So it's just requirements that they
expect of you. Doesn't mean you don't know how to
be a soldier. But I think the biggest thing you
said too for me is regardless of what's on my chest,

(54:27):
I got both EIBS CIB air crew Member wings from
flying as a doorgun, my Airsoft qualified driver's badge, I
have my ribbon rack as well my combat patch with
one hundred. First, it does not make me better than
the people I'm going to go train with. What it
just means is I've had this experience that I can
share with and I'm going to make sure that Look,
it's not beneath me to go do this. And I'm
respecting the fact that if I get in with the

(54:48):
twenty seven year old drill sergeant, he's a drill startant.
That guy's a staff startant. He deserves the respect he earned.
I'm going to give it to him, and I'm going
to show these young kids, guys, this is not about
your individual personal feelings ideals. This is about you being
part of a cohesive unit. And if that means you
are out, you know, outperforming a guy that's you know,
your instructor or your cadret still have the respect for them,

(55:09):
and humble yourself. This humility will take you a long
way in this community.

Speaker 4 (55:13):
I think your new name shall be Moses.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
Right, my beers is not long.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
No, no, it is. It's just right.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
You're like the young Moses, just about to go get
the go on the mountain. Charlton Heston comes down all
white Beard after that point, you know what I'm saying,
He's like big old white Beard in the movie if
I mean.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
Fifty when this en listens is about done, so I'll
see how my beard goes from that point.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
Oh, bro, bro, Now one other thing.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
There's a little bit of a thing that you're kind
of doing, and I just want to make sure I
understand its correctly. Since you enlisted all the way back
in the early nineties or late nineties, right middle in
the nineties, and then you're picking up today, will you
get those stripes put onto your wrist for time and service?

Speaker 3 (55:57):
Well that everything everything stays. I've already gone through this process.
So all the badges I've earned our mind, my DD
two fourteen has all of that on there, and atat
and soul I have every right to wear it. I
have my my combat hashes on my sleeve, my time
and service hashes on my sleeve.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
But don't don't you get those made up?

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Don't you get like time like it connects them right,
So like even though you're enlisted in the nineties and
you're listening today in twenty twenty five, you still get
timing all that time, right, it connects for your for
your benefits.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
So you looks like.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
Time and service, Time and service is still there, Time
and grade is still there. So going back in as
an E four, I have a lot. I have more
than enough time and grade to be promoted E five
fairly quickly. So the likelihood is they do have this happening,
and I've already done the research is I could expect
to be sent to the board during a t because
I'm already in a promotable space given my time and

(56:49):
service and my time and grade. So they're going to
push me back into a position where of course I
have to be an E five minimum to even graduate,
you know the pipeline E six to get to my unit.
So they're looking at, hey, you've got the time. It
all matches. So I was just shy of six years.
So the third stripe on my sleeve, they said, when
you hit that six year mark, basically activeduty, you will

(57:09):
get your other good Contact Award, You'll get your other
So it does not start over, it does continue from
correct left off.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
And then once you're done and you are retired at
fifty fifty one, you get to be VA benefits the
whole nine yards. All those years add up together for veterans, right,
so this is something that's out there where you get
So you've got thirty some years in the military now.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
No, I mean I have I want to say seven
with my reserve time. So by the time they said
the reason why they're allowing me back in two is
because I can retire active duty by the time I'm sixty,
which I technically will retire by the time I'm fifty
eight if I stay in. So if I get done
with this enlistment and I want to stay in, which
my wife is preparing for two, I can retire with
a full twenty at fifty eight years old. So I'll

(57:55):
still be young for two more years I want to do.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
So you got to get thirteen more years, so they're
not gonna connect it from the nineties to today like
and give you that full time.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
Yeah, I've been out. I've been out, so I have
not been a part of the military at all. So
I did my time and got out with the school,
ran my business. Now I'm going back in. But they're
gonna clash the two ends together. So five and a
half years active duty, here's my new term. I'll be
almost eleven years of active duty when this term.

Speaker 4 (58:17):
Okay, so that's maybe what I'm thinking. You still get
all that time in.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
So that means that as an E four you get
eleven years pay of E four because paygrade every time
you're in that month, right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
E four at five and a half years get plus.
I'm married to all the BH and come with it.
So yes, it's a decent start off again with my paycheck.
Plus then when I get promoted to E five, that
kind of goes up. And then by the time I'm
done with the qualification course will send me off the BLC,
which is a basically ALC Advanced Leadership Course. I'll get
pinned E six when I get to my unit, and
that that'll keep basically increasing the benefits. But apparently which

(58:52):
is cool.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
I'm cool with that. I want you to have that.
I want you to have more than that. I want
you to have the best of everything. No low it's bidder,
no lowest dollar. Give the military the best contract, the
best prices. Pay our staff in the US to make
very compliant goods so that these guys and gals get
the best of everything. And none of this is like, oh,
we got to fix it with one hundred mile an

(59:12):
hour tape because it's bitter.

Speaker 4 (59:15):
Bro. Yeah no, I'm just saying, well, you.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
Know what's rat Yeah, you know what's interesting. There's a
guy nam Dan Holloway. I don't know who that is,
but he's a former eighty second ear born guy. He
runs He has the Drinking Bros. Podcast.

Speaker 4 (59:25):
Sure Sure.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
I was on his show The Citizen and we had
a great conversation about it. And what he talks about
as well is that he's big on pushing to change
the way in which we feed our war fighters. So
he's got contacts in the Pentagon and things like that
where they are working on changing the MREs, making them
obviously shelf stable, but with better quality ingredients healthier. First,
he's like, we are professional athletes for the military. You

(59:49):
need to feed us and take care of us in
a way that is it behooves our best performance. So
I think that's the thing that we're looking at, too,
is how do you optimize the people that are doing
the most dangerous job for your country. Well, you got
to pain well, take care of them well, and feed
them well. And I think we're on the road for
that changing to be the better part.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Of what we're experiencing with mrs. Did you start eating
them in the nineties when they were dark brown eggs?

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
I did.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
The beans and franks was my favorite, right too, Oh
my god, that was my favorite, dude, my dad. I'd
have grown up in a Green Beret family in the nineties.

Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
Dude. It was just like Mri.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Glostak phased them out when they had cigarettes back in
the day. So I remember here they had cigarettes. But yeah,
I got the chocolate brown packaging when I first joined
in nineteen ninety seven, and they started phasing that out
as I got into.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
ACTI duty, and then I went into like the tan ones,
you know, like the and then they had the two
thousand and eight don't drink the milkshake salmonilla.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
Dude, all of them were teted vanilla.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
I heard, yeah, dude, And the mrs that were floating
around my world.

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
Even here.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
I was just like, I don't drink the Salmonila, don't
drink any of the powder. That's all I would say.
I was like, you can eat your omelet, but don't
drink the powder. Because we do a lot of war
games here in Utah. I run wargame community friendship kind
of environment. We all go do what you're gonna go do.
But just in the war game on the weekend, you know,
we just go, you know, have a good time. And

(01:01:09):
everybody likes to have the real kit on them or
as close to it. And if you have an MR
out there, everybody's like, oh.

Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
That's a real MRI. Wow, you're not. We're not in
the military. What is in there?

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
It's a heater. Oh that's where the you put this
in there? Yeah, you could like a little water goes
a long way, you know, people, this is here.

Speaker 4 (01:01:24):
Eat your gum. Make sure you eat all your gums.
Swallow it. Dude.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
I was in Afghanistan, you want to tu. I would
really appreciated every piece of the MR. When we were
in Afghanistan and we went on our very first combat off.
It was a five day mission and end up being
seven because the weather came in and the aircraft couldn't
come get us. The pilots did want to fly through
that weather up the mountains, and it was interesting. It
is like we literally had to split one MRI for
two people for that extra day that we were there,
and we had two bottles of water and that was it.

(01:01:50):
So we had to ration ourselves. So you learn to
really appreciate the gum in the MRI right in your
cheese spread packet, I mean, all of it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:58):
All.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
But it was really cool because you really can that
those challenges really showcase like what your metal is, what
you're capable of, especially when it comes to food, your
ability to handle the stress of it. And we were fine.
You know, your infantry guys, we're used to being trained,
you know, at sleep deprivation and no food, no.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Water, and if you don't want to waste your water
on your heater, you can just pee in it exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
So I had a buddy that did that. He's like,
check it out, man, I'm gonna make it work with
the water. Yeah, he's like, did that. It was perfect?

Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
It don't matter. Yeah, dude, that's awesome what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
But you learn these lessons, you learn to appreciate little
things like that, especially because you said gum and I
was like it clicked to me. I was like that
one moment where I was chewing my last piece of
gun from my MRA that last day we were out
there in the middle of the Afghanistan mountains. We just
got done with this like gunfight, and it was like, oh,
it was so precious to appreciate a piece of gum
in your mouth after you've been up all night basically
you know, playing two way rifle range with the Talivan.

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
So yeah, really that's what it is. It's like two
way rifle range. Huh.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
You're just the target on their range. I mean, in
a second twisted way of putting it. It's you're really
just like see you tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Well, I was a mortar man, so I was fired
in my sixty mortar gunt, so it was I was
actually having more fun with that than I was shooting
an M four.

Speaker 4 (01:03:09):
So another rotation activated. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
You can set the mortar by like clicking it or
something on the bottom of it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
On the top of the fuse, the head has four
different settings, so you have like eight high impact, which
hits the ground and explodes. You have basically your delay
which goes down into the ground. Sixty I think is
a meter, so to go down a full meter into
the ground, so it's used for bunkers. You have near
surface first and proximity so near surface versus like right
above the ground, and a blow downwards you go enemy

(01:03:36):
lane in the prone position. Then you have like that
proximity which is a little bit higher and allow a
little bit more of a spread for that round. So
you have four settings. You have change charges on the
bottom of the fins of the mortar round so that
that helps accelerate the round out of the tube. So
based on the direction distance asthmuth, you know the coordinates
that we're given by the fos where our target is
in the open, you can play around with the round.

(01:03:57):
And that's why we're able to be so effective with
these mortar guns is we're able to act shod creep
our rounds in pretty effectively and quickly. Plus the sixty
has a kill rads of twenty five meters and anything
outside of that's still going to hit a shrapnel. So
you start doing fire for fact, after your fire mission starts,
you're lobbying like constantly. Two guns set up and you've
got guys out in the open, and you keep dropping
rounds every like two three seconds out of those tubes.
I mean, your your your mission's pretty much over within

(01:04:18):
a matter of minutes. So it's it's a pretty effective
fire system. And I really love being a Mormon at
indirect fires. Is something special about it and learning how
to mess with mathematics while you can't see your target
shooting over a mountain range that's two miles away from you,
it's pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
Wow, it has that kind of a range. Huh.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
Yeah, I'm trying to think. Yeah, I think we're around that.
I think the eighty one mortar is about three and
a half miles sixties like two. I think it's right
around two, so a little over two maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
I get Are they both? Are they both three men operated?
Like the skin? Like, is there which one's the man?

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
It's in the sixties, the sixties two man. You have
two guns. You have basically two guys on each gun,
a gunner and an assistant gunner who also does the AMMO.
And then you have your your fire team leader. And
then you have eighty ones in the platoon, which is
where I ended up first at four Campbell with the
battalion mortars. It's a whole platoon. So you have three
guys per gun. There's four guns in that system, and
you have an ammialbearer, assistant gunner, and a gunner. And

(01:05:11):
the ammalbear is the one that runs out the amy
polls where we sit in our guns. The assistant gunner
keeps the gun kind of maintained ready to go, and
the gunner kind of handles the direction on the site itself,
the gun's movement traversing the way the gun operates. You know.
So you have these specific jobs you train for, but
you also trained for the job above you, and you
also make sure as an ammal beearer, you know how
to be an assistant gunner, assistant gunner, be a gunner

(01:05:32):
because somebody gets killed in combat. You got to be
able to operate.

Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
Yeah, you got to do that. You have to know it.
You have to know it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
And that's why SF team's Special Forces guys. They have
two guys on every a team that is a you know,
the main radio guy and then a backup radio guy.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
But they all know how to radio.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
They cross train each other and pollinate with each other,
so they all have the skill sets operate autonomously, which
that first off that we went on, we had an
eighteen I want to say eighteen echo and an eighteen
I think it's they delta us right the medics. So
we had those two guys operating with us on our
team with a CCT guy, so we had this like ifantry,

(01:06:08):
you know, team and then these two green berets, and
we thought that was really cool. They were able to
break off and kind of co operating by themselves like that,
and they were really to go do the job they
had to do. So it was pretty fun to learn
that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
You know, I get a lot of guests that come
on the show that have all written a book or
been of doing a movie or you know, something crazy,
And I think that if you ever wanted to write
a book, you're You're very well spoken and it would
probably come across as a good read, and you know,
you're an enjoyable individual. We have just met just you know,
we had a brief conversation before the chat about technical

(01:06:38):
issues if we have any, and what we do if
we fix them, and then we just got off on
this conversation with the listener and the viewer, and I
what I aim for This show is to show that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
You could have people talk from walks of life.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
And not like like be at each other's throats and
in this society and like we can actually have a conversation.
I can hear your points, you can hear our points
and go back and forth. So you know, I guess
kindness is infectious. That's kind of what I say. And
it's okay to be kind and to smile. It makes
me feel good. You look good when you smile. Okay,
your beard is definitely you could be in a movie.

Speaker 4 (01:07:13):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
Ohay, brother, I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
I know you're choosing the army right now, but that's
your new role, right and I want you to be
the best army person that you can be so they
can make a Gi Joe action figure out of you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:25):
You know what I'm saying. Just be the best you
can be.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
Bro, And I appreciate that. That's a lot I'm striving
for every day. And wake it up. I'm gonna be
ready to go like I've learned it for the first time.
I think that's the other piece that makes people successful
in what they're doing is and can you wake up
and like you're learning all over again and not act
like you know everything. And then that's to me. I'm
taking that into the army now to despite my experience
of my combat time. It's like I'm going into there

(01:07:48):
new ready to go, you know. And I think, but
you said something kindness. I think that's the other piece too.
It takes an act of will to treat people with
the respect and kindness. It doesn't matter if you disagree.
You can have these conversations you can find I think
we've lost the art of argumentation in our society done
with each other. That was that was a skill and
a talent back in the day, and we did that
to uplift society as a whole because we are all

(01:08:09):
individuals and different and we can bring different perspectives and
points to the table as long as we have like
a fundamental baseline of mutual respect, kind of understanding objective truth,
and we can find ways to I would say progress society.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
If you could just be open, Yeah, open you to
be open. I was talking to my friend. It speaks
five languages. I'm so jealous he speaks He's from Africa.
I'm like, I wish I could speak two fluent languages,
let alone five fluent life he speaks French. He's from Africa,
speaks French, speaks, Moroccan speaks, Arabic, speaks like Greek. I'm

(01:08:42):
like how he's like, well, where I grew up, it
was all those languages. Like yeah, so I said, I said,
I wish people could see me and him talking when
we talk, like, hey, no one's at each other's throats.
You know, we're having a good time, and uh, just
like what we just need.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
It's unproductive. It's unproductive to have a conversation, even if
you have a thosing views. It's unproductive and it leads nobody.
It leads people nowhere. And I think again we talked
to touch on this real quick was that this is
the reason why I think society's falling apart in its
own way is because nobody is uniting on any kind
of common ground, and everybody wants to just be right
rather than do.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
What's right right and just like and not say, hey,
you know what, I made a mistake, And we're going
to say, oh, you're a human.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
Yep, if you fail, how do you recover from failure
a success?

Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
How can you have success without fail? How could you
have peace without war?

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
I mean, come on, if you go last thought here,
if you go into the like, especially in the soft community,
is being around him and having friends that did it
my brother. It's they look at you at how you
respond to failure, not the failure itself. Because we're human,
We're going to make mistakes. That's how you grow in
virtue and in strengthen your skill set. Is if I fail,
how do I react to that stress of failure? And

(01:09:52):
am I showcasing my ability to manage and handle the
stress that comes with it so that they know they
could trust me when it comes to the real deal.
And I think people get caught up in their own
minds and go, well, when I fail, I am embarrassed.
I think I look bad and they get upset at
that and they don't realize, guys, you're gonna everybody's gonna
fall in their face, especially when you do the hardest
stuff possible that you're facing your life. I'm about to

(01:10:13):
go do some really hard stuff and I'm looking forward
to the fact that I'm gonna learn through my mistakes
and I'm never gonna make them again because I'm gonna
be open to that failure. And I think other people
can DoPT that into their lives, no matter what they're
doing in life, business, etc. Can I fail and react
to it in a way that uplifts the learning that
I need to have right now to make people realize
that I'm a trusted source of leadership, of confidence of

(01:10:36):
somebody that I can respect, I can emulate and follow.
And I think the military does a really good job
at that. And I think civilian world can benefit from
learning from guys that teach people how to fail and
fail for fast.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
And is there gonna be anywhere that we can follow
along on your journey to see how you do or
I know you're gonna go clandestine, but like through boot
camp at least, is there gonna be like photos uploaded
like Yo, here's Wiley with a shaved head and beard.

Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
It's like, who's the baby guy at who is this guy?
Are you sure he's grandpa?

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
I'm sure he's grandpa. I know this is all coming off.
And my wife's like, oh my gosh, I have no
idea what you look like with your head, shave, your
your gun. But I was like, Okay, well it's gonna
be for nine weeks and then I get to grow
my heart back. But the beautiful thing is the groomy
standards are relaxing in the unit that I'm going to,
especially when we go overseas. I'm not worried about that
at all. But I think the recruiting command here in
Phoenix wants the public affairs guy wants to do another

(01:11:24):
couple pieces on following me through my journey. So maybe
that might be something we can put out.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Yeah, yeah, And if your guy, if you want to
share that on softwap dot com on like on a
blog space, right, I'm sure that we can make something
like that happen. Or you say, hey, this week's journey
with Wiley Boom. And if the person, the recruiting retention
or the recruiting PR person at Arizona wants to reach
out and collaborate while you're in boot camp, say hey,

(01:11:49):
here's the latest on you know, Wiley's updates. He's doing great,
forty five year old in boot camp. Because I'm a
big advocate for you choosing to make the choice to
join the military if you want to. So if someone's
on the fence about it or they've been thinking you
should do this, it's like you never know until you
put your other foot forward and step into the career

(01:12:09):
center at the Army and talk to someone who's a
career counselor who can say, hey, what do you what
are you stepping in here for?

Speaker 4 (01:12:15):
You know, we got guns, right, okay? Cool? All right?

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
You know we all wear a uniform, right, Okay, Well
you do what you're told?

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
Right, Well, what do you want to be now?

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
So it's like, if you want to go check it out,
I'm a big encouraging memory of that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
Yeah, I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
And the other thing is like I did a video
for the recruiting Command here, or a really quick video.
They put it on the DoD's website and it actually
got onto x or Twitter or whatever you call it.
And it's amazing the way in which people are viewing
the military service now as like I got called more names,
how I'm just going to die for Israel and I'm
just I'm a trader, you know, on propaganda machine. It's like, guys,

(01:12:51):
let's let's let go of this idea that service to
our country, regardless of what goes on behind the scenes,
is somehow wrong and not good anymore, because at the
end of the day, if you don't have a military
that stands up and protects what it is that we
at least were founded on what's going.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
To resuve Well, I mean, like World World War two,
it's very World War two was very much us dying for,
you know, the freedom of the.

Speaker 4 (01:13:13):
Jewish people from the Holocaust. So you know, I don't
think that that's that's that's that's that's been since that's
a long you know, we went to war.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
Yeah, and I'm you know what, And again, I honestly,
God blessed those people. I've responded to some of them
with just kindness. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there was no reaction,
and it's amazing how some of them kind of changed
their tunes. They're like, hey, we're really sorry I said that.
Thank you for your service.

Speaker 4 (01:13:35):
That's right, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
Reality is like, look, I talked to a guy, you know,
the other day, a retire commandsers a major and he's like, dude,
I don't know why people he's like you he's on
He's like, if you're on the fence, hey, service star
country is amazing. Still, it's still deciding to do something
for the greater good. It's deciding to do something bigger
than yourself, regardless of what maybe political crap and goes
on in there, because there's always going to be that
in the military, You're always going to have agendas and

(01:13:56):
things and reason why we go fight wars. But do
you love your nation regardless if she's flawed or not,
and you want to protect her a d or he didn't.
If you're on the fence and you feel a poll
in your heart, don't listen to this feel here and
go you know what I feel called at least knock
on the door.

Speaker 4 (01:14:11):
It does, And that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
And again, you know, so anybody out there that you
know might be thinking like, oh, you don't want to
defend the people over there, Well we've been doing it already,
so you just got to think about you know who
the real Antifa was. That was my grandpa, my grandpa okay,
his parents or his grandparents who are Norman dy d Day.

(01:14:34):
They were fighting anti fascism. Yep, Okay, to me, that's Antifa.
So boom, I got so many opinions. We've been talking
for so long, like we could just get back and
forth like I talk about like so many opinions. But listen,
when you get back from boot, if you are allowed
to come back on the show. I think that's another

(01:14:56):
way that we can maybe follow your progress.

Speaker 4 (01:14:58):
We got either before picture.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
Perfect, and we can bring on the baby picture of
the other picture and have you back on and maybe saying, hey,
it really humbled me, or I had a great time,
or boot camp had more choreography than I expected, you know,
and it really brought me up to speed. So I've
really had a great time having you on the show
talking about all sorts of topics across the spectrum of society,

(01:15:24):
just as another dude who's playing contro with each other.
All right, that's how I want to be. That's it,
bro That day right there, that is the day exactly right.
So we're just sitting here talking like that. Yeah, you know,
I have friends that are different opinions and we're still friends.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Yeah. That's how life was long before whatever the last
twenty years it did to us. So, I mean that's how.

Speaker 4 (01:15:45):
I grew up. The Internet. Yeah, dude, it's the Internet. Yeah,
it is the Internet.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
I loved prior to the Internet. You know, you get
along with anybody from any walk of life. There was
never any kind of clashing whatsoever. We made fun of
each other, regardless of the military was like that when
I joined. It was everybody made fun of each other,
no matter what color you were or background you came from.
We were able to take it as like that's our
love language. I think people need to get back to
realizing like being offended is a choice. It really is.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
It's yeah, yeah, and you know it's a choice that
both sides should recognize if they choose to make it offense.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
So look, you're welcome back on the show. That was
a good conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
And you know, on behalf of Wiley McGraw and Brandon
Webb who runs my whole program, and all the people
behind the scenes that don't really get to get on
the camera or you don't hear. Thanks for all your
help behind the scenes. I'm grateful for it. Thanks for
you the listener and the viewer and the person who
spends their hard earned dollars on our merch to help
keep the fireplace going. That is gas. I got to

(01:16:44):
pay for that. So thank you so much. I appreciate it. Right,
and the book club, if you could go check out
the book club, and if Wiley decides to write a book,
we'll get it in our book club. Okay, So put
that on your things to do list before you are
off this earth. Good sir, so I appreciate that. And
to your wife also salute to her for taking on

(01:17:04):
your ambitions and showing you that she's going to support you,
because yeah, best of luck to you, sir. Thank you, brother,
appreciate it all right, And this is rad saying peace.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
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