Danger Junkie: Navy SEAL Brandon Webb Interviews Jurgis – His Friend Who Vacations in War Zones

Ever wonder what kind of lunatic books a vacation to North Korea, Haiti, and cartel-infested Mexico for fun? Meet Jurgis, a businessman and good friend of Brandon's from Lithuania who treats the world’s most dangerous hot spots like they’re all-inclusive resorts. We talk how they met at Harvard Business School and about the thrill of walking through gang territory like it’s Disneyland, the fine art of not getting kidnapped, and why some places on Earth make Mogadishu look like a retirement community. If that’s not enough, we close things out with a deep dive into stem cell therapy—because after all the bullets, bribes, and bad decisions, even the world’s most fearless traveler needs a little body repair. Buckle up—this one’s a wild ride. For more on stem cell treatments visit: https://www.bioxcellerator.com/

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
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Speaker 2 (00:40):
Hey, everybody, welcome back to Software Radio. I've met off
for a few years, but I'm coming back for the
first time, and I think maybe three four years, just
to be with my good friend Yergis. Yogis and I
met at this Harvard Business School OPM program and I
still remember like it was yesterday. Us. I'm sitting in

(01:03):
the back of you and he pulled up his phone
with the Instagram and it has like my it was
either my author page or my Instagram. He's like, this
fucking you. I was like, yeah, that's me. He's like,
what the fuck? And that was the start of a
good friendship.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
I had to check. I had to check who the
you are you?

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, so, Yurgos, you're living in Villenis, Lithuania. I visited
you last year in February. I think I came in
the the right time of year to visit Lithuania. Maybe
not so much, but and his wife or not.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
I made me get into ice l like you almost died.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, yeah, almost. Yeah. Anyway, what what's your impression The
first time we met at Harvard.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Well, listen, how was for me? Was an eye open U.
I met so many different people, one of them are
is you, and you know it was how to say,
it was very great course because you meet all these
different people with big businesses, big backgrounds and of course

(02:15):
big characters, and everybody is like everybody is like a shark.
You know. If usually if usually, you know, a professor
asked for opinion, and usually there's like one or two
or three hands. It's like everybody want to talk. Everybody
has a fucking argument. Everybody has an opinion, you know,
and you better make sure that you know, you put
your opinion correctly and well and will argumented. So you

(02:40):
one of those completely different people because you're coming from
completely different background. So it's not that your family was
in business or that you went through the traditional you know,
let's say traditional way of you know, school and then
working in the corporate and then doing your own business.

(03:02):
So you are completely different and I find it interesting
enough for me. Yeah, and you know, you've been in
the places where I go. You've been for work where
I go for leisure, which.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Is crazy, which by the way, You're GISTs were fun.
He goes to places like North Korea, uh Haiti, Afghanistan,
crazy fucking places Central Africa. I don't want to go
to these places unless I have a radio and a
direct link to aircraft with the big bomb in the sky.

Speaker 4 (03:40):
Yeah, yeah, Tamer, but yeah, we we got to be friends.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
And also you're one of the few crazy enough to
get up at five in the morning and meet me
at the swimming pool for the seal workout, which good.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, so I realized that seals can swim because I
looked at you, I thought, no, this guy too old,
too big, you know, because I've been swimming for ten
years myself, and I think I will fuck you up
in that tool. But but it was very interesting because
that swimming session. I never saw that session like that,

(04:23):
you know, because we swim, we get out, we do
push ups, we swim, we swim underwater, we swim one side,
we seem another side, we do push ups. So it
was very dynamic, very powerful, very exhausting. For me. Was
something new and well, I can confirm they teach you
how to swim that seals.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah, it was good. That was a good workout. Man.
But that that was typical seal workout right, like it's
super dynamic. So but you stuck with it. Man, I'm
good because many people they talked to talk and they
can't they can't do it right. They show up and
then they're oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
And I remember I was sick and I remember, I
think right now, I remember that probably I was sick
with the fucking COVID, yeah, because it was twenty twenty,
and I remember, yeah, just just the Wuhan, you know,
and we all came to the session of people from China,

(05:25):
from Hong Kong, from Zella, like everybody brought up. Everybody
was coughing at the class. Yeah, but they were those
times where everybody was sharing the bottle, sharing the joint,
right right, No, no, no, no, don't don't don't bus
this is yours, you know. At that time, everybody's sharing everything.
So I think I got sick with COVID and I

(05:46):
was coughing, and I remember our time came to do
this training and I was like fuck, you know, I
said I'm gonna do it, but now I'm sick. And
I remember I come to you in the evening and
I said, like listen, Brandon, like I think I cannot
do it, you know, and you're like, why, well I'm coughing,

(06:07):
I'm sick, and you like, so what, so what suck
it up? Motherfucker?

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Well I was sick before, like the week before. I
had the sort of throat the cough, and I got
over it. And but yeah, that's the way, right. You
can't always say I don't want to go on the
mission because I have a running nose or cough.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
No, I took a chance. I took a chance, and
you just because you know, you promised, I promised, but
not only because I promised, but just because you offered
me a completely new way of looking at the issue.
You know, like, so you know, suck it up, and
you know exactly, I see how it works, and it worked.

(06:50):
It was good. I'm happy I went.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, it was a good, good worker. So we're going
to talk about a lot a few things today. I
was going to tell you my stem cell story, which
we can do at anytime, but but also I was,
you know, we became friends, stayed in touch, and I
was watching on your Instagram that you made these crazy

(07:12):
videos and we're we just got the edited videos from
your assistant Olia. So these will be up on SOFTWAREP
on the main site, and I think we'll post one
location a week, Haiti, North Korea, Afghanistan. So really excited
to get those videos up because you have some amazing footage.
As soon as I saw this on Instagram, I was like, oh, man,

(07:34):
that's something our audience will definitely like.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
I would love to get into a few highlights of
those stories, but yeah, we can. We can start however
you want. We We can dive right into the locations
and we talk about it, talk about the stem cells after. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Yeah, we can talk a bit of the of the locations.
So I don't know which one is interesting for you.
You know, for many people, many locations are interesting, but
I guess North Korea could be one of them.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah. Yeah, let's let's maybe just do the highlights each one,
but let's start in North Korea because I still remember
you said the most challenging thing about the visit was
you don't know what's fake and what's what's not right,
because it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah, So listen, I prefer Afghanistan every day anytime versus
North Korea. You know, that country left such an impression,
that very big impression. I love the trip I'd never

(08:45):
want to go back. Yeah, never, So so I had
I had a rough time coming to North Korea. I
visited my daughter in Cambodia and then you know, we
had some issues there with my ex wife, and so
I think I started drinking like five o'clock in the morning.
And then it took me to Thailand and Beijing and everything.

(09:08):
So by the time I arrived to North Korea, I
was already on a little bit different planet. Uh. And
we were like five of us, so we're after North Korea.
It was an exclusive tour just for five people. And
I said, usually in the shitty places like that, I
want to spend three nights because this is how much

(09:29):
a nervous my nervous system can take because you don't
sleep much. You're always on adrenaline. You know, it's it's
it's bad. And they say, yeah, listen, but there is
only one one flight a week. That's you're in next Sunday.
You're in next Sunday. Hopefully you're out, you know.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeahs not flying and every day not career, and and.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
The and the way and the way. Yeah, there's only
one flight and there's on air lines and so so
to get to North Korea. You have to get a
visa from Chinese. Caught up Chinese. So you you go
to Beijing and then you don't know if you're gonna
get it. You don't get it, but you know, you
pay the bribe, you get it, and we're in. So
we arrived to this so as soon as we arrive,

(10:16):
they take our passports and uh, you get a guide
who speaks English. You get a KGB Korean fucking agent.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
And then they take the passport and they keep it
the whole time. Yes, that's crazy, that would be that
would make me nervous.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
So I will tell you why I got nervous, you know. So,
so they take the passports and you have three people
with you. So you have a tour guy who speak English,
you have KGB agent or whatever, Korean fucking agent, and
then you have the driver who's also an agent. There
three people on six people. They never leave you. They

(10:59):
all with you. They change different dresses they have like
every time we go to different places, they change different
They struggle with the suit kids. So we arrived to
North Korea. They take our passports and then they take
us to the hotel. We cannot leave the hotel with

(11:21):
them without them. You know, you don't leave, you don't
go for a walk, you just have the schedule. So
a couple of highlights. So first highlight, we right to
that hotel and they give us beer. And the hotel
is exactly the same hotel where the American made the
mistakes six months ago where he took the poster from

(11:43):
the you know, seventh floor, and you know, they put
him to jail for fifteen years. Eventually he start dying
in the jail. So nobody wants a dead asset, so
they brought him to America, and by the time he
arrived to America, heres had stopped.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
You remember the story, Yeah, yeah, I remember man over
a fucking poster. That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
It's not about the poster. The poster was the trigger
to take the fucking American because they are at work
with America. That's what they said. Okay, so the problem
was not the problem, but the story was that he
took the poster. First day, he got drunk, Sam like me,
went to this thing, you know, got excited. He went
to the seventh floor. You are not supposed to go

(12:25):
to that floor. But unlucky for him, elevators not stopping
at that floor. Unlucky for him, he went through the
staircase and the door was open. He went into the corrida.
He tried to take it, he took it off. It
was some phrase like let's go forward, communists or whatever
the fact. They say, you know, yeah, he put he

(12:46):
put it down, and let's it. It's the first day.
The ship continues, the party, they go, they do this
and that, and by then of the trip, everybody come
to the airport, the group of Americans. But to you,
to you, to you, you stay a little bit not good,
so that a little bit went to fifteen years. But anyway,

(13:09):
when I started, so we're in the same hotel and
we go to Spa. We go to Spa, and apparently
the massage was very good. I switched off. I opened
my eyes. I'm alone in a fucking spa. I have
no idea. Where's my clothes? Where is my room? Fuck man?

(13:32):
So I get up and I go I think, okay,
I have to go to the lobby and maybe see
somebody there. You know, I get out of here. There's
two ladies. They're trying to grab me by the hand.
You know, stop some stuff. Don't go naked, don't go naked.
I'm like, listen, just re lags, you know, just let
me go. I'm going, I'm going going. And suddenly I
entered the lobby and the lobby is huge, like we

(13:55):
have hosters of the leaders and you have like soldiers,
like twelve soldiers with the gun look at me, right
and and I'm like swimwear but I'm wet like this,
Yeah I'm naked. Yeah, fuck man, I run back. You know.
By the time I ran back, those two ladies going crazy.
They bring them up and they say which country you're from?

(14:18):
A shot the country they call our KGB agent. Five
minutes later, dogs, soldiers, everybody come and getting me. You know.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
They bring me back to the room and I think, fuck,
I insulted the leaders. I'm fucked. You know. Probably they're
not gonna give me back my past, but they're gonna
hold me like that American. So next day I'm hangover.
Next day I'm asking this agent, you know, hey, you know,
I want to talk about last night. She's like, yeah,
what do you want to talk about the big problem.

(14:49):
She's like, man, it's okay. I'm like, okay, ah, are
you going to give my passport back? Oh? Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure,
no problem, you know.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
And and.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
One hour later we go to the fake fruit store
and with the same serious expressions, she's saying that this
is our fruit store, which is a fake store. And
we can see and she can see it's fake. Everybody
see its fake. And I think, this fucking crazy bitch.
She just told me, yes, I'm gonna get my taskport back.
But now she also told the fake fruit fruit, you know.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
And when you say fake fruit, like, you can tell
it's this plastic kind of fruit ball that you see
at the grandma's house.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
Right. So basically you arrive with the minivan, they don't
let you out, and they show you the store. From
the car, you can walk and you can see the
fruit plastic, sunburned, dusty.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
They don't even dust off.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
Yeah, you see, it's a fake, you know. They show
you buildings, everything is faked. And that is the most
surreal feeling, you know, when you come to the village
and you see that there are houses like houses, houses,
house girls. You go into the first house, which is

(16:11):
like more or less okay, and inside you have this
family that are standing like scared, the guy, the wife
and the daughter and you can see the TV which
is never being used. There's no fucking antenna.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Which they might not even be a real family, right,
it could just be actors.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well they are just regular
villages who live under the fucking nothing, you know. So
they told them to come. Yeah, and they had actors
as well. In the restaurants, they have actors. Because every
time I go to a different restaurants, I mean it's
always full, always full, and you know, by the third
day or fourth day, start looking around and the say,

(16:50):
fuck for this guy.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yesterday the same people.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
And so the other guy is the same people.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Man.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
So so that feeling when you know that they are
educated and you know, and that feeling when he's telling
showing you this and telling this that this is an
orange with the city's face, that is surreal, you know.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
So when about my passport back by day seven, was
very happy, man, not bad.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
I mean, it's crazy that it's twenty twenty five and
there's still a country like North Korea where it's so isolated,
especially with the internet. You know, it's just it's insane.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
I think it's conconvenient for Chinese. I don't want to
get into politics too much, but I think listen.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
No, we can get into politics. We love talking religion, politics.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
The glove off man, So listen. Everybody's talking about North Korea.
North Korea, North Korea. No Korea. It's nothing. It's like
the dying nation, completely on the verge of start by
Shan and everything is. It's only China, the only route
with China, the only food with China, the only medicine

(18:07):
root with Shana. So it's it's there's no North Korea.
It's China. It's China's little puppet. Yeah, they say box box.
You know, it's convenient for Chinese to have it, you know.
So it's not US, it's not Korea. Look the threat
in the US.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah, rocket rocket man. Trump, Trump calls him the rocket man.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Come on, man, this is like Belarus. You know, he's
nobody putting putting calls and says jump. He's asked how high.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, that's a good point. I mean, I think the
Belarus comparison is really good. And he's fucking crazy, like
look at well that they grounded the or forced the
Ryanair flight down right to pull the journalist off the plane,
Like that's why they don't fly into Minsk anymore.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
So what what's credit? What's crazy? If he could have
killed him publicly, that would be crazy. No need to
fly over abilities think.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yeah, I know, it's it's but it's a fucking crazy
world we live in. That's still even though it's puppet controlled.
You have this huge country that's basically just so isolated,
cut off from the rest of the world, and the
population is struggling. I mean, fuck, man, just open this

(19:26):
country up some capitalism and watch it flourish. But the
Chinese are sounds like they have a tight, tight news.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
I don't know, you know, it's uh, it's very difficult,
uh uh to manage the transformation. You know, yeah, you
you open that country with you I'm sorry, but with
illiterate people, what you're gonna do, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
They'd probably be shocked. I mean even I was. I
was looking at a few of the articles some of
our guys wrote for the Soft Rap and they captured
these North Koreans in Ukraine. Ukrainians captured them, and they
were like, fuck, we thought we were told we were
fighting South Korea and that we should kill ourselves rather

(20:17):
than be captured. And how They're like, fuck, why is
it so cold? And who are these Ukrainian guys speaking
this different language, like fuck man, that's insane, just like
cannon fodder.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
Yeah, well that's insane. Also insane. It is insane, as
you know, I just came back from Mexico looking at
the caratels, speaking to the caratels and speaking to the
police and everything. It's also insane when coyotes, you know,
take people drive around in a fucking truck and release
them in Mexican desert and tell them this is us
and go straight, you know, and they arrived back to

(20:52):
their hometown after a three days.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
No, it's crazy. Even said, I was doing stem cell
procedure and in Colombia and one of the guys there,
he's an American guy that works for the clinic. He
was he broke his neck and he got treatment there.
Now now he's like one of the employees. And he
was telling me he was dating this woman who was

(21:18):
I think she was from he did Columbia or Panama.
But she's like, yeah, I'm going to America. And he's like,
what do you mean You're going to America. That's crazy
and she's like no, it's I know, I know the path,
like this is under the Biden administration. So he's showing
me the photos she was sending him. He took the
she hopped the train. She gets to the border, and

(21:39):
they pay some money to the like a version of
the coyote, and then they take them across the border
and then get refugee status. She sends them a picture
of American hotel. She's then they give her forty dollars
US cash, Biden gives Biden Administration gives her a lawyer
to kind of get the asylum. And it's like, fuck,
they all know this is like a path to the

(22:01):
US that's super easy.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Wash you forgot?

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah, it was crazy. I was like, this is nuts.
So yeah, no, wonder you know we have issues with
our border. When when when everybody knows, even some young
Columbian girl or whatever, knows that you can go to America,
get money, have it. She went for a vacation. She's like,
I just want to see the America. And she had
this like free vacation and the money and the lawyer

(22:30):
and it was nuts, man. And then eventually she's like, yeah,
I go I'm going home.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Now. Do you think it's connected with the boating without
the I d no.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
I think it's fucking insane. It's insanity. But that's again
part of the I mean, who votes without ID that's insane.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
California state, well, it's like California with the K and the.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Crylic K did be the California with the big Russian flag. No,
it's nuts. I think it's ridiculous, Like California. I love
California because I grew up there, but that state is ruined.
Like it is. Absolutely it could be. It should be
the most beautiful, flourishing state in America. And it's a

(23:18):
fucking disaster. I mean, the traffic and the eco issues,
the homeless issues, it's just like a failed state and
it's one of the largest economies in the world, and
it's just a sad thing. And I think the governor
now is realizing, like, Okay, this like experiment is not
working so well with the homeless. Even they were like

(23:42):
closing these stores down, like a Best Buy store because
they were allowed to rob up to I think five
hundred or one thousand dollars and not get prosecuted. So
these guys would come in the stores and just take everything,
and security guys are like, okay, what can we do?
And the stores like we gotta close. You know, it's
like insane and sanity. But yeah, that's a whole nother,

(24:05):
whole nother I think.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
I think you know, I was just at the border
US and Mexico.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
So which one is near San Diego Tijuana or.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
I've been in Tijuana a few years ago, but this
time I went to Norgles.

Speaker 5 (24:21):
Okay, which is near Texas, right, yes, yes, yes, so
so listen, there is there is a fence in the city,
but below the fence, it's like a Swiss fucking cheese man.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
The tunnels our Swiss fucking cheese. So I've been in
those tunnels. I've been in the US. I have US visa,
so it's so good.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
I've been. I've been. I've been both sides. And one
hour you know, from the city, you go to the
cartel controlled territories. That is a bit of small fence,
like you know, half of my size you can easily cross.
And to control dis immigration, to control the human flow,

(25:13):
the drug trafficking, the gun smuggling, people smuggling is just
not possible, as it's not possible. No, I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
I think I think one important thing Trump did was
label the cartels as terrorists organization that that gives him
much more powers to like drone strike, do all sorts
of crazy things. But to me, that's part of the strategy.
You and I know from running business, everything has to
do with incentives. You have the right incentive structures in place,

(25:49):
and it flourishes. The incentive structures are not there, people
are going to take advantage and you have to create
an incentive like, look, if you come to America, you're
not going to get a job. You're going to go
right back on the fucking plane. You're going to make
life hell for these people. But you have to change
the whole incentive structure or else people are just going
to float across and keep coming. And I think that

(26:13):
it's good. We need we need migrant workers. Nobody wants
to do this kind of work in the US because
America is very wealthy and a lot of people getting lazy.
But create a legal path for them to come through,
document them, collect tax from them, and yeah, make this
program and punish all those who does, like severely punish

(26:35):
those who don't play by those rules. And then I
think you have a better situation because to your point,
you can't stop it, like the tunnels are there. I mean,
it's very easy to get across the border.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
The border is what two thousand miles.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, it's insane, but you have to yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
You know. So. So migration is we have a problem
in Europe with migration and why we have a migration
because it's too fast, too big, and completely different culture.
When Mexicans come to America, at.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Least they you know, some similar culture.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
Similar culture, right, they are Catholics at least values, they
have family values similar, right, they understand the value of capital.
In Europe have a completely different situation. You know, it's
Islam people. You know, they don't care, they don't want
to work, they want to get you know, money, they

(27:32):
want to stab you, they want to rape you. You know,
it's completely different. So migration, migration is one thing. But
the drugs, I've seen the trend, the new trend, the
Fentanil dance.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
It's crazy, man, No, that's sentinel is. It's crazy what
that drug does. It's like I watched a video of
this guy was his parents were going to get him
the drug because he was so much pain. He had
already had one leg cut off. Because it's rotting your body.
It's insanity man like, but yeah, it's and again, like

(28:11):
you know, that's one of the things part of the
drug problem in US. You have to educate the people.
And we have a lot of problems in America right now,
like it's a it's a great country, but huge problems
with healthcare, education and this the food supply as well.
Like the one thing I noticed living in Europe now

(28:31):
for two years, I struggled to eat the food when
I go back, even in New York City, I'm eating
avocado toast and I'm tasting this like gmo and this
avocado that I'm saying like, yeah, it's nasty. And so
you know, the one thing I like about the Trump
appointing the RFK junior is he's like, yeah, we have
to get rid of this, like no more fast food

(28:53):
in school. They're feeding the kids' pizza hamburgers. But it's
all about education. You want us, Like, I think you
just have to let this current generation. It's as harsh
as it sounds, like, look, these drug addicts are gone.
It's already too late. You have to focus on educating
the young people. One of the greatest things we did
in America was make smoking not cool, like through marketing

(29:16):
and government efforts like you you see, like there's not
a lot of smoking in the US, and you cannot
smoke in any restaurant. You have to apply the same
philosophy to do these drugs and educate the young people
or else it's gonna you're gonna keep having this demand
and people are gonna yeah, people will.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Exactly no, no, no army, no army will stop the
drug flow to us. You know, it's all bullshit. You know,
of course he needs to talk to this. He now
he pulled the military around the Mexico border. You know
how the Mexico violence grows like this, Yeah, did and
then and then so so you attack a cartel, there

(30:00):
is like five more bond. Yeah, the one guy, there
is another. There's a fractions, you know, fractions after fractions.
You know, the Mexico is a huge inequality, huge inequality.
In Mexico is like one hundred and thirty million people,
one hundred and twenty million people, maybe fifty million are
below poverty line. So whatever the penalty you make twenty

(30:25):
years for liye, whatever the fuck it is, it's better
for them to take a chance than die from hunger tomorrow. Right,
So if we talk about the drug problem, I think
the only way to fix it is, as you said, education,
which is long term and probably severe punishment, or legalization. Yeah, cocaine,

(30:46):
that would be good.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
No, actually I think it's actually not a bad thing,
like to legalize the same as that we did with
the marijuana on most stays, because now they see it.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
Fantom or maybe not ye too much addictive people would
not be ready. But you know Fentanel starty, you know
how you know that this is American capital. He started
the company Purdue Oxyquontin opiate.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
Yeah, they brought it to the market. You know, they
put contented to the doctors, and doctors start writing prescriptions,
Oh I have a two fake. Here's some oxy quentin
for you. Oh I have it. Here's some oxy quonium
for you. You know. And then when they pulled this
drug from the market, the empty space and Mexicans came
in with fentanyl. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
And so then these ad opiate addicts had nowhere else
the turn except the cheap alternative. And I just read
this new book that it's Revenge of the Tipping Point
by Gladwell, Malcolm Gladwell. It's amazing book. I highly recommend
But he talked about the phatanyl on the book and
the and the Purdue, and he said some states there

(31:53):
was some weird law where the doctors had to submit
a triplicate form and get government approval for this type
of hard prescription drug. These states had no fentanyl problem,
no opiate problem because the doctor's too lazy to submit
the trificate to the government for approval because there was
this like accountability. But the states that had no accountability,

(32:15):
these doctors are writing like something like two hundred prescriptions
per day. Yeah it was not, but yeah, it's it's
it's crazy. But talk to me about the Mexico City
because I know I was down there living for some months,
and you went on this tour with the police in

(32:35):
Mexico City, Like, what was the craziest ship you saw
in Mexico City or even Mexico.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
So Mexico City, I spent only no good places I spent,
you know, last time I went to Tipedo on such areas,
you know, but this time owned in the good places
because Mexico City was like a base for us to
you know, the group. The most crazy ship, of course,

(33:02):
kilograms of cocaine in Nogales, narco corridos, you know, gang
members talking to gang members looking at the tunnels. Uh
that that's also fine. But what was sad and and
and uh and and depressing? Is a capulco? Yeah, a

(33:25):
copulico for me? You know, I was born in in
Soviet Union, so you know, a copulco. Best times was
in eighties and I'm born in eighties, you know, so
is like an imaginary, like an Avatar planet. You know, like, yeah,
it's a good time, you know, Monroe, Elvis Presley, you know,
convertible cars, the blue ocean, the nice weather, and now

(33:50):
it's just funked up. Man, it's after hurricane they had
last year or one year and a half ago. All
the front line of the buildings is demolished, is destroyed.
Every third building is working, some of them are not thinking,
being like restructured. And you have violence, a lot of violence.

(34:12):
So you know, we went to patrol police. So you
see dead bodies, dead bodies, dead bodies like kids, and
of course collateral damage all sad. It's collateral damage. So
if let's say this Icardo culture came from Columbia, So
in Colombia they were like, let's say more targeted more,

(34:34):
you know, more more, more targeted, more how to say,
more accurate. And when they attack you, you know, it's
like three bullets, six bullets. Macs in Mexico, they spray bullets,
you know, they spray like twenty rounds, thirty rounds, forty rounds.
So of course they kill, you know, like kids and

(34:56):
killed women, and everybody else decides the victim. Victims dead
for sure, but yeah, also people around it. So so
you have these dead people in one street, then you
have like a block or buildings, and then you have
people patting in another street. That's but people. When I

(35:18):
say people, it's not like tourists from Europe or from US.
It's like people from Tepito coming.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
No, man, I have the same I was in Acapoco.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
When was I enough.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Like my parents, we took the sailing trip and when
I was turning. I turned sixteen in Acapoco on my parents'
sailboat and my mom and sister went to California to
spend time with my grandmother. It was just me and
my dad and Acapoca Yuch club and I had met
a couple of guys. They were older than me, and
they're like told my dad, Hey, we're taking him out

(35:55):
for birthday. And it was like Acapoca. You imagine, right,
this was.

Speaker 6 (36:00):
In the this was in the late eighty and it
was beautiful, man, it was beautiful. And yeah, I lost
my fucking virginity in Acapoco. I had met this like
twenty eight year.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Old hot Mexican girl. God it was no guy, no
guy person. Yeah, but it was amazing, man. And I
didn't even tell my mom like until years later, but yeah,
a Capoco was amazing, man. Yeah, what I remember. But

(36:36):
I also know I have friends that are Mexicans and
they're like, dude, it's crazy down there, the violence, and
I just can't even imagine.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
I'll tell you, in fact, is now in the most
Dangerous cities in the world. Top three.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Number one Porto Prince obviously, number two, I don't remember
what the fuck was that, but number three I remember April.
So if you look at top most dangerous cities in
the world, and it's probably based on murder per capita,

(37:15):
so you have probably ten cities from you know, in
top thirty.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Now I'm looking now Mexico. I mean, this is a
city is by homicide rate, Mexico has out of the
top ten, they have eight of the cities Acapoco, Tijuana, Zacateas, Glima,
like it's all like Mexico has like eight of the
top ten most dangerous. Then it's Brazil South Africa, but

(37:45):
they dominate. That's crazy. I didn't realize that.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
So Mexico right now is it's very surreal, you know,
because because if you go to Hayati, if you go.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
To Porter Prince, Let's talk about Haiti too, because I
want to talk about the tributes up there.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
So let's yeah, if you go to if you go
to Hyatis, like complete chaos, you know. And yeah, but
in Mexico you have this, as I told you, you know,
one street dead bodies, another street people living their life
and partying. And you know, so there was this dead body.

(38:33):
We went to you know for this, we went to
the police. It was eleven am a pm. Not like
imagine what happens at one, two, three are Yeah, it's
the pieces. So it was eleven pm Fursday night. So
there was this dead guy lying on the street. It

(38:55):
was about thirty or forty you know, army soldiers, maybe
ten trials whatever the fuck. And there was this like
street foot Kiosk, you know, fifteen minutes from the dead
body still operating.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Probably the soldiers buying that top.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
They're gonna close the tacos for this dead guy, you
or tomorrow another dead guy. So this is surreal, you know,
and that brings me also to Haiti. You know, so
I wanted to go to a place where the violence
will be at the peak, you know that the war
will be at the peak, and to find such a

(39:38):
place it's very difficult, you know, because you know how
it goes, the conflicts, they migrate, right, Yeah, they peak,
they go down, they scudalize, you know, they move.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
So but also it's tough to go as civilian, right
like you can. Another challenge is you're basically running a
business in Lithuania and like, a okay, where how do
I get to this crazy conflict?

Speaker 3 (40:03):
Though? Yeah, well that's a whole you know, another industry.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
There's no like booking dot com. You know, I'm going
to filter out the most dangerous city and make a
booking at the tour company.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
Well, actually, you know there is like let's say, backstage
booty dot com is like the whole fixer industry, the
whole movie industry. Journalist industry, Unite, CNN, BBC industry. You know,
so you all use the same fixers, you know. So
I go as a journalist, Yeah, so I want to
get to the front line, so to find this conflict

(40:36):
at its peak, Like it's so difficult. Usually have a
few places in the world like okay, Mexico right now, Tijuana.
But still this is not like a foot blown conflict.
There's a different type of conflict in Mexico. Gangs kill
each other. You may get into cross fire, might not.
You go to Ukraine war, there is a front line, yeah,

(40:57):
but you know, you come closer, you get killed by
snype the drone. You don't see any action. Action is
in Gaza. Cannot get in, you cannot cannot gather. Yeah,
Gaza cannot get in. And Haiti Haiti is where the
action happens. And you know that in two weeks or

(41:18):
in amount, you're gonna run. It's gonna be at its peak.
So so we went there and the city is in
a chaos. The city is destructed and is destructed not
And I'm like, who destroy all these buildings because some
of the buildings looks like they've been destroyed with the

(41:40):
heavy ammunition, like two gangs do it. He said, no, no,
police do it. You know, government do it. I'm like,
where the fuck they did it?

Speaker 2 (41:48):
You know.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
So if if they lose the war with the gang
and the local police have to retreat, they don't leave
anything behind. So gang doesn't have a place, you know,
to kidnap people and to live and everything. So they
destroy everything, you know. So gangs are destroyed the city,
fucking police and military destroy everybody's destroying everything, you know.

(42:12):
And I spoke to these guys. I spoke to NGO
and it said, so listen, you know, so what's the solution.
And the problem is that, you know, Haiti has nothing.
If hait it would have some old us would come say,
hey boy, I'm gonna help you out. You know, here's
some guys give me a while. I mean, sle yeah,

(42:34):
you know, I'm gonna help you out. But now now
they have nothing, right number one. Number two, they are
in the fucking island. They are contained. You know, it's
not like you there is a war in Egypt, like
one hundred million people and you know you're gonna have
twenty million refugees, so they cannot swim. Maybe they for
someone you tried, but you know, they end up dead.

(42:56):
So nobody in the world gives a shit about that place.
And the only people who should and could give a
ship it's themselves. The problem is that they should reach
the bottom and then they should say enough, it's enough, right,

(43:16):
But apparently they reached.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
The bottom, start to dig, took the shovel and start
to dig that ca they hit the rock bottom.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
So so so this this brings me to them, This
brings me to the human nature. You know that humans
are animals, and humans can't get used to anything if
it's done for a long period of time, and if

(43:50):
it's done slowly, ah, they get violence for years, you know,
and they get accustomed to that violence, you know, and
they get accustomed to the war. They get accustomed to
the sound of gun, you know, they get accustomed to rape.
You know. You come to them, you say, listen, man,
yesterday ten people were shot next door. You know, He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah,

(44:10):
let's talk about football better.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
C So so this is human nature, you know, and
I don't know what it takes. I don't know. And
you see a lot of you know, you see families.
There's this big problem of displaced people. So refugees, they
have internationals like legal status, and you have to help them.

(44:38):
Like there are procedures, certain international procedures for refugee right,
but for displaced people. In terms of displaced people who
lost their home or they had to move out because
of the gang, you know, there's no fucking procedure nothing,
you know, it's just you're you're, you're on your own.
And we went to this displaced community where there are
a lot of kids, and there are all these families.

(44:59):
You know, some of them mechanics, blue collar workers, and
some of them are teachers and everything. And many people
ask me, no, oh, you know you see all these kids,
you know, don't you feel sorry for the kids? And heck, no, man, no,
look why you're heartless? No, I don't feel sorry for
the kids because kids adapt like that next day, you know,

(45:21):
they have they smiling, they adapt. What I'm sad for.
There's all these adults because they understand what happened. Kids
can't understand what happened. You know, it's different house, no house.
You know this, and that. You know, they play, they
get together, you know, food, no food. But the adults,
you can see so much sadness in their eyes. Because

(45:41):
they understand what happened to them, understand what happened to
the country. They understand what happened to the kids because
from those kids from ten nine will be thieves, robbers, murderers,
whatever the fuck terrorists.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
You know that to your point with the human nature,
like the environment is everything, right, Like you know that
you're in. One of the things I like about the
program we did at Harvard is like, you're in this
group of people and everybody's pushing for growth, personal growth,
business growth, but you're in this great environment that influences

(46:16):
each other's behavior. But on the low end of the scale,
the same thing happens. Right, you're in this environment. The
kids that are innocent are all that's the way of life.
They know nothing more than they have to be a thief,
kill people, join a gang. It's crazy. And I actually
as much as the people get triggered when Trump says, oh, look,

(46:38):
we need to wipe out Gaza and start over, Like
I think that's the solution. Like you have to totally
remove this environment Hamas. The Palestinians can't stay there. Where
the fuck are they going to stay in the You
see this Gada Lego set right It's just like a
crumbled building, like you need to push everybody out, resettle them,
and build over again. That's it. Maybe they register if

(47:02):
they're legitimate Palestinian, they can register, come back and get
land when it's rebuilt. But until you eliminate the situation,
you have an unsolvable problem with Hamas and this never
ending fucking conflict. I agree with Trump what he's trying
to do, and a lot of people don't understand. The
Middle East is so complex, right. It goes back to

(47:25):
the UK England dividing up the whole Middle East, stopping
it up into pieces. But it's it's insane, man, and
nobody wants they think of the Palestinians, that these other
Arab countries, which a lot of Americans don't realize. The
Palestinians are kind of the Gypsies of the Middle East.
Nobody wants them. That's why you don't hear this big

(47:47):
push from Saudi UAE. There's not big involvement. Still, the
US is kind of leading this negotiation. It's crazy, man,
But that's a whole other topic for a different day.
But maybe gods the next Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
Well listen you as also, you know it didn't help,
you know, putting the petrol into the fire. And you know, listen,
it's so complicated, it's so complicated. You know, you go
to that Middle East region, it's you know, I can

(48:23):
let me do this. I can draw you as six,
but from your perspective it would be what nine, yeah, nine, yeah, yeah,
for sure for me it's six. You know, that exercise
explains me from which perspective you're looking at. Looking from
aur perspective. As soon as is Israel appeared there, it
became a problem. Conflict after conflict of the conflict. Okay,

(48:47):
looking from European perspective, you probably don't want Muslims invading Europe,
you know, so maybe it real is good. You know,
So it's depending, you know. And and the problem is
that people when they get you know, like good you know,
the good enough money and everything, and they work for
some corporate you know, there's this whole wogue culture you know,

(49:10):
which I don't like, you know, like they think, oh,
let's be good, you know, let's accept those immigrants. You know,
you don't understand what's gonna happen another five ten years.
You know, we are not at that level of consciousness
and education that we can assimilate large quantities different cultures.
Not there yet, man, Yeah, yeah, no, it would be

(49:31):
like I'll be there.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Yeah, we'd be like taking all these people from Haiti
and dropping him into illness, right.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Yeah, because because because we're humans, they're humans. We have
to help, We have to do something. Aren't you concerned?
You know? And I remember there was this guy, you know,
Swiss guy, you know, and they said, listen, you have
to help these Ukraine people. You know, you have to
accept them. He's like, there are kids dying. He's like why,
but if your kid dying, you will be worried. He's like, yes,

(49:58):
So is there a difference between swis Ky Ukrainian kids. Yes,
the guy was very the guy was very blund but yes,
for him, it is a difference.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
The resources are not infinite, right, resources are finite. The
cultures are different, you know. And I think I like
Trump politics that he says, listen, let me go back
and take care of America first, so we all better

(50:32):
off when everybody's taking care of their own business.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
You know, exactly exactly.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
Don't go to Afghanistan, try to fix Afghanistan and then
fucking leave twenty years later with people dropping from the plane.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
You know, No, that's crazy. I've been talking about this
for twenty years. It was happening like we when I
was in Afghanistan, the mission was killed, the terrorists, destroy
the training camps, put the Taliban out of power. That
was it. And we did in one year, maybe a
little less, and we should have left by two thousand

(51:05):
and two, almost leave Afghanistan because I had friends that
were going on missions twenty ten, sometimes twice in one night,
coming back killing people on the direct action mission, coming
back loading the bullets in the magazine, and the government
lawyers coming in, hey, why did this guy? Why did
you shoot this guy on this thing on the corner here, Bob,

(51:26):
Like literally getting investigated as they're preparing to go out
on another mission at like three in the morning, and
they're like, why the fuck are we here, Like what
are we doing here? Like my friends were telling me this,
like we don't know why we're in Afghanistan. Rules of
engagement changing. When I was there, fifteen year old fighting
Mail Brown, and the joke was if you're if he's brown,

(51:49):
he's down, you know, because.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
You're shooting it.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
But the it got crazy, man, and then fucking trillion
dollars in Afghanistan gone, Like we left the exercise equipment,
the weapons, the all these military hardware for the Taliman.
Now the Taliban back in power, stronger than ever.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
You brought this country or comunies move together with Russia.
We're fucking us brought this country back kind of years back.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Yeah, no, for sure America. Also the pulling out of
the Middle East, the Northern Iraq, it caused a refugee
crisis in Europe. Like people don't understand this cause and effect. Like,
and that's one thing I like about Trump. He is
foreign policy is a guy time the fuck out, Like
we don't need Yeah, let's get our house in order.

(52:42):
And and he's he knows to negotiate. You have to
have this dialogue back and forth. You cannot put your
head in a fucking stand and pretend like, oh, I
don't want to speak to putin. No, he's a fucking
world leader. Like, talk to the guy, come up with
a solution and negotiate some peace. But yeah, it's it's

(53:03):
uh for Trump. Look, there's a lot of things I
don't like about Trump, but a lot of things I like.
And I think the fact that he's not a career politician.
He's not bought and sold by the lobbyist donating his campaign.
He doesn't give a fuck And I love it. Man
and people going after Elon Musk. I'm like, guys, this
guy could buy his own island, could probably buy Haiti

(53:23):
and live the rest of his life however he wants.
But no, he's volunteering the time to like fix all
this government inefficiency. You know, Oh he's stealing from the government. Guys.
He doesn't need any more money. What the fuck? You know,
he's the richest guy in the world, like one, but
it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
He's getting his power. You probably is the top drug
in the world. You know, all these phantandem guys this stupid.
You know, they could have run off the power. Power
is number one. It is much more powerful than But
you know, it's coming back to wasting money. So when
I was in you know, I was with the Taliban,
Uh was with these local gangs and you know, crime leaders,

(54:05):
and you know we can't we see to eat eat
food in the dinner and there's this guy is like, oh, yeah,
a good business day today, And I said, what happened?
He's like, I burnt six trucks today. Like, whose trucks
you burned? Like my own, man, my own so's where

(54:27):
where is the fuck? Where's the fucking business? And not
to buy your six trucks? He's like, you don't understand.
So he's in contract to deliver fuel to US military,
and the contract in case of accident, pays amount of
the truck and the load. So the truck is ten k,

(54:50):
the lord is sixty K like diesel. Okay, So he
burns six or ten empty trucks and he gets half
a meal.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
And he shares that with US military.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
They pay him on the spot, probably cash, yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
Yeah yeah, And then he shares some money with the
with the local So so it's all business, you know,
and nobody wants to leave. Also, Bhanistan was a very
good training ground for for for for US ceremony perfect
you know, whatever the fuck you like, you know, should
not shoot drone? No drone? You know. So you know,

(55:30):
when you when you start the infrastructure, when you start
the machine going, you know, for example, you establish an
HR department in the company, it will grow man suddenly,
new procedures, new policies, and it will start thinking of
the new uses for himself more budget and everything. You know,

(55:51):
so as soon as you start the war machine, it
will grow. It will not stop. It's not like okay,
we enter, we leave.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
You know, Well that's the this is back. This burning
of the truck is back to this incentive. You have
to really watch the way that you create these incentives
and because people will find a way to abuse it
if they can. Even when I was in magazine getting
the stem cell treatment, I took the tour of this

(56:20):
commune of thirteen, like Pablo Escobar's crazy part of town.
And when the new government came in, they were saying
to the army, if you get a bonus, you get
cash bonus for every gorilla you kill. So what they
do they start killing civilians and putting them in the clothes,
like dressing them up. So they're getting the money and

(56:40):
they're just killing everybody. It's going to get this incentive
in place. So yeah, you have to be really careful
about these incentives because it thinks you think that that
would be a good thing, and actually it's something that
could be totally abused, like the burning of the truck.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
So I think, you know, the idea of the globalization
is over like that, we're all going to be friends,
and you know, everybody's going to produce what is cheap,
and we're gonna trade and we're gonna agree. It's done.
I think we're not there yet. I think the democracy

(57:18):
is being tested right now. Yeah, it's really tested because
the best example of democracy is European Union. Who the
fuck is European Union? Who is our leaders?

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (57:33):
Who knows what policy we do? Will somebody supports rush,
somebody against us, somebody want to find somebody want to
put money to, somebody that want to put you know,
let's discuss, you know, let's discuss for one one for
two months. So I think democracy is also being tested
right now. We'll see if we survive. Everybody upset about
putting in Zelensky and not putting Trump and Zelenski like,

(57:57):
oh how come Trump treated him this? On the other listen, man,
he comes, he needs something, he should shut the fuck up.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Yea, And you.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
Shut the fuck up right. You are not getting minerals
that you're not gonna get yourself. You know you're gonna
keep it for what to keep fighting. You're gonna keep
the position. You know, you're like, man, you want this
sport to be. You lost it you lost the war,
once your country split in opinion, once your house is

(58:31):
not or you lost already, you know, somebody else will
come take your market share. You know, so so very
tough of course, you know, how could they treat and
they ask him about the suit and you know he's
in military, he's fighting, you know, so what this is life?

(58:52):
So not many people understand what is the real life?
You know what it takes to win, you know, and
everybody is saying that, oh, poor chicken, you know, wanted
to play with the lion. Lion made the cheecken, so
exactly what chicken wanted to play? Well, yeah, but this
is a fucking line he wanted to eat. So what

(59:12):
to do?

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Yeah exactly. Well, Hey, hey brother, we're coming up on
an hour. I don't want to take up too much
of your time. I would love to have you back
on the show.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
But let's talk about stem cells.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Yes, yeah, talking quickly about the stem cells. And then
I do want to say when I was so, Sammy
took took me up to the hunting lodge.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
Can you hold on a second, our closed my eyes? Yeah, yeah,
I need to.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
M so Sammy, I'm up hunting birds with Sammy like
the black doves and this capri Kelli which looks like
a cross between a fucking turkey and an eagle, crazy
crazy looking bird. But we're Massana, We're talking about o

(01:00:01):
PM and you come up. He's like fucking Urugus. He's
like that crazy motherfucker. He's like, I he asked me
if I want to help with Ukraine and donate some
money for the guns. And then he's like, my secretary
calls me up next day she's like, hey, I got
this wire information from Yurgus, but it says like Hell's
the Angels Lithuania. She's like, he's like what the fuck?

(01:00:23):
He says he calls you and you're like, hey man,
this ain't fucking Lego Land. You know, like this is
this is the real deal.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
So you know what the funny story he said to me.
He said to me, I want to donate money to Ukraine,
but I want to know that that the sheep will
get delivered. Yeah, so so you wanted to get delivered.
This is the club. This is the people who deliver directly.
You know, you want to donate the un you self don't. Yeah,

(01:00:52):
So then his lawyers got scared.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
And yeah, it was funny. He told me the story.
So the stem cells. So look I was dealing with.
I would say when I maybe six years ago, I
started having pain in my right leg and I went
to the doctor. Doctor said, hey, have you had the
injury and this leg. I was like, yeah, I had
skydiving accidents. She's like, oh, you chipped your hip socket.

(01:01:17):
So you hit so hard you chip the bone and
there's like a piece of bone on the X ray.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Yeah, yeah, arthritis. So she sends me the pilates with
the broken ballet dancers in New York. So I'm doing
which is good. I'm single. I'm like, okay, this could
be good, good for me. But I'm in there doing
the pilates. So then I get my leg starts getting
stronger and I have no problem. But then it's still
like some arthritis, and I'm like, fuck, this pain is

(01:01:43):
just like constant. So I start researching. Then I'm swimming
and I fucking get the shoulder issue. And now I'm like, fuck,
my whole body is breaking down. But it's all from
the seal teams, right, it's like ten years, just go,
go go. So I'm researching. I don't want surgery. And
my friends with Tony Robin's son Jarek, and Jack says, look,

(01:02:04):
my dad did themselves on the shoulder, like doctors in
US that guaranteed surgery, no way around it. He's like, no,
there's gotta be another way. So he went to Panama
and got one of the first guys to get the
injection in his shoulder.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Let's talk about the injury. Let's look, let's get more specific. Okay,
because I did a surgery on my right shoulder because
of the torn labrum. So labrums, we're not fixed, but
you but there was a tricky issue, so they they recommended.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Yeah, so they so look the US doctors want They
were like, look, you have to get the hip.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Surgery and I'm okay. Replaced, the replace, the replace the joint.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
And then same with the shoulder. Oh we can fix
it easy with a surgery because I don't have a tear.
It's it's just I have a small tear.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
I have a small okay, but it's like one out
it's worn out.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Yeah yeah, so yeah, but the thing is the stem
cells they regenerate cartilage and tissue, so they regrow. Like
even the surgeon that go into the if there's a
problem with the baby. Maybe the fingers are growing together.
The surgeon will cut the finger off and separate and
the stem cells will grow the finger back. Like it's crazy.

(01:03:23):
So anyway, I did all the research. I had a
couple of friends tell me, hey, this has been really
good for me. I actually called Chuck Ledell that was
one of the first UFC champions. I messaged it on Instagram.
I was like, hey, man, I'm about to do this.
It's a lot of money. He's like, just call me.
He sent me his number. I called Chuck and he's like, man,
I couldn't. He's like, I couldn't hold my son like this.

(01:03:46):
I couldn't put a backpack in the overhead of the airplane.
Now he's like, I have a full range emotion, bull shoulders.
He's like, it's saved me. So so I said, fuck it.
I went down. I put my money. I flew to Managine.
There's two clinics, one in Panama. The same one in
Panama has one in Mexico as well. But and then
this bio accelerator and in a Metagine and I talked

(01:04:11):
to the US office. They did the consultation. I paid
the money. I flew to Medagine. They meet you at
the airport directly to the hotel. They take you and
then the clinic is. Then the hotel is right next
to this high high end shopping mall and Metagine and
Tsro District and it's connected to the mall. So you

(01:04:32):
walk across the mall to the medical tower and it's
five star service. Like I've never had any nicer medical facility,
nicer than anyone and I've been to in the US.
So I did both shoulders, both hips, and I was
awake for this hip. And to prep your body for
the stem cells, they put you in an oxygen chamber,

(01:04:53):
take you down two atmospheres, like sixty six feet pure oxygen,
and even they have the tube and they have the
Netflix and you can watch them because I'm in there
for an hour in this chamber. But but I'm watching
like f one series on Netflix in the chamber. Then
I had an orthopedic surgeon to look at the MRI

(01:05:14):
and then he knew he knows exactly where to put
the stem cells in the shoulder, the prolemari and he
has the ultrasound, so he's got the ultrasound and then
he's put the needle in and he's like finding and
then he injects and I'm awake.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
No anesthesia for this, and well, that's that's your loss,
you know, I like an No.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Well, I think I don't know why they don't use anesthesia.
Maybe to save money. But it wasn't that painful other
than the initial poke and then when they inject you
can feel this like pressure going in. But I was
They take you out of the injections right in the
crowd chamber to just help with the inflammation. That was
on the Wednesday, Thursday, neurosurgeon comes that they put me

(01:05:57):
out for and they put from S one to L five.
You injected twenty million stem cells each disc and then
around the fascia more stem cells. And the ideas it
grows back the disc, it grows back, repairs the damage
and it takes minimum six weeks to a year. These
stem cells are inside you, just working, working, working. Also,

(01:06:19):
I got the IV two rounds of IV stem cells.
And the thing is with the stem cell it goes
to your body and it finds the areas that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Yeah, where they need to repair. I know, I know,
I know, I want I want to know from the practice.
So yeah, so done.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
So when I got by Friday, this hit pain. I
had five years holy gone, like someone took a switch
and turned it off. The pain like insane. And I
was not only that, I was hearing these stories direct
from the patients because some guys have been there second time.

(01:06:57):
They have really big problems. One guy had multiple of
rosis MS from Canada. He's like, it's totally helping me
with my MS. Another guy was a firefighter in America,
broke his back, paralyzed. First trip, they put stem cells.
He's up and walking like fucking crazy stuff man. And
he was back second time for more treatment because they

(01:07:19):
they give him a spinal tap with the stem cell.
They sucked the spinal fluid out and then put the
stem cell back in its place. It's crazy, and I'm
hearing the stories from these guys. Guy paralyzed now walking
guy he had a cane and a walker for his hips.
They injected him. Now no cane, no walker, Like it's

(01:07:40):
just I'm directly from the patients. It was crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
So do you think there was any placebo effect world
as well? In pain? Not with me?

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Man, Like this is like I can deal with pain,
like I just got used to it, right, and I
think I know what he's paying.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
I'm in pain, back pain, but yeah, psychological, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
But I told part of this, but dude, this was
like gone. Man. I mean I wake up every morning
now just going fuck, it's still gone. Because I'm in
my head, I'm worried it's coming back.

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
Yes, yes, yes, yeah so and for my.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Back, I cannot. I can't recommend it enough.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Could I just talk to so many people directly. It's
not some bullshit marketing video. These guys are like, dude,
I was in fucking severe pain and this solved my problem.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
Just over and over and over.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
Guys showed me after he had the stem cells IV
and for his hip, he went back to America, wealthy
developer from Miami. He's like, I burned my arm on
the on my He has a huge car collection and
he had a classic car. He's like, I thought my
car breaks down in the freeway. I thought I was
undoing the reservoir cap for the radiator. It was the

(01:08:53):
actual radiator itself. So he had this second third degree burn.
He's like one week later gone because I had recently
had the stem cells and he showed me the photos
and I was like holy shit, no scar nothing. So
these are like, it's amazing, man, and I'm shocked that
we don't have this in America. I think you can

(01:09:14):
get it in Switzerland now. But these are these stem
cells are harvesting from umbilical chords from sea sections because
I guess the c section has much less bacteria because
when a canal birth, they have a lot of bacteria.
So they only take this cord umbilical cord stem cells

(01:09:35):
from sea sections. I mean, it's all like the consent
of the mom. So I got it from two different women.
And they don't even need to match blood type because
anyone can stick to take the stem cells.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
So there's two questions with it, you know. One question
is the traceability off the stem cells, because you don't
know what you're getting. So I guess this is a reputation.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
But they give you the lab is right in the
clinic and you get a Q and A with the
head of the head doctor of the laboratory and they
tell you you get your certificate and it shows me
exactly where your stem cells come from. All the treatments,
the protocols, everything is listed. I have a certificate. It
shows everything because they say, look yeah, so it's good.

(01:10:23):
And these guys I like them because I got there
on Saturday night. Sunday, then Monday you go to the clinic,
and then Monday night they have a social for all
the patients and they want you to talk to each
other because they know the best marketing is the people
that have had the procedure before telling you that the story.

(01:10:46):
They're not hiding anything, and so I was really impressed.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
Question one, you know the traceability, which you said it's
question two.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
Side effects, Yeah, there are some mild side effects.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
I'll forget about those temporaries. I'm talking about the cancer tip.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
No, I don't. I don't. The temporary stuff is I'll
talk about quickly. It's more like you get maybe some
mild fever, like I had small chills the first night
I had. Stem cell IV's working. Yeah, it's working, so
I but I had the temporary side effects and are
pretty much negligible. I've heard of no, like real adverse

(01:11:26):
side effects like I've heard of really none that I
know of. In the stories. There was only one guy
out of I talked to probably twelve people that were
at the clinic getting like professional football player, professional two bodybuilders,
like this guy and his girlfriend. They were like she

(01:11:48):
was like huge, and I thought, yeah, man, it was crazy,
but she had had her knees done and she's like, yeah,
I'm back to full training. And first of all, I'm like, fuck,
your knees are fixed, Like why do you go back
to the gym and like ruin them? And again you
know you should be doing yoga and swimming. But the
only one guy that he was from Serbia and he

(01:12:08):
has a security company in Vegas. Super nice guy, but
we I went out to dinner with him and he
orders this huge tomahawk steak and all I could think
to myself like, man, they nutrition has just said don't
eat any red meat because it impacts the stem cells.
Like they it puts false inflammation in the body and
the stem cells are gonna get confused. And the first

(01:12:30):
thing guy does order a fucking tomawk steak at the
restaurant and I was like, yeah, I'm like, no, wonder
you're having Like you're not getting like good results though,
But that was the only guy I that I uh,
who was that I heard like anything that wasn't like
like a really five star.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
Experience, But who said what be specific? Who said what
he said something that no.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
He just said he had it for his back and
he wasn't getting he wasn't getting the results he was
hoping for. But also I was like, man, you got
to lose some weight. You need to do yoga, and
he had that Eastern European He's like, oh, fuck yoga,
It's for faggots, you know. I'm like, guy, like, look
if a navy sea can do fucking yoga pilates, like,
come on. So he was like I got to him.

(01:13:16):
He's a super nice guy and he at the end
of this trip. I think because of my background, he
was like, Okay, I think I should do yoga class, like,
because you can't just you can't take a pill or
do one thing, and you have to make lifestyle adjustments. Man,
you can't. You have to like adjust, maybe not go
so hard in the gym.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
I am thinking about themselves because.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
I told your wife was Ranata.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
I was like, for sure, yeah, yeah, she told me so.
So you know I had this issue. I had this
uh you know, shoulder issue. You know, go to physiotherapy,
do this, do that? Yet yeah, you know it doesn't help.
I cannot live to waste. I cannot do boxing. You know,
it's just my hook is not the same hook how

(01:14:02):
I do it. And I've been for twenty years in
martial arts, so I do amri. Usually I do a
lot of ameris. I'm like hyperhondrack. But this was I
was avoiding and then I did it and they said, oh,
your shoulder is fucked. It's full about trade is. Man,
You're gonna be sold joint replacement, you know in ten years.
I'm like, fuck, you know, so I'll just torn labor Yeah,

(01:14:27):
And apparently from the you know, punching bag where you
put the heavy pressure, I fucked up the complage. So
I did the surgery because the laborom is not gonna heal. No,
no stemselves will help if you heal the torn labrum,
you know, but a tritus is still there, you know,

(01:14:47):
and I can hear this.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
I think this. I think will help because I have
the same arthritis in my hips and it's fucking gone.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
It took away all the inflammation. So I think I
would do I would do both shoulders, fucking if you
can afford it, I would do everything. Man backed shoulder
hips because you know, like we get older and stuff.
It's like a carriage and it's certain parts are gonna
start wearing out, especially if you use it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
So two things on my mind, you know, uh, stem
cell and thirty and.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
What what's tiert oh testosterone? Testosterone. Now, the good thing
is I did the full I lost a friend, one
of my oldest friends from the military. He was a
captain for FedEx and also a Navy pilot captain like
my age gone cancer took him last year, wife, two kids,

(01:15:41):
and it freaked me out. So I did the full
full uh like CEO level MRI contrast scan where they
they put you in the CT scan and inject the
dye blood in your in your IV so the circulates
they can see a blockage and the arteries. Because I

(01:16:02):
was freaked out, man, and I did the DNA test
for all the nutrients, but the testosterone with the blood.
The doctor's like, dude, you have a high testosterone of
like some twenty year old guys, like, yeah, that's why
I'm I'm jerking off once a day minimum.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
Yeah, but but you need to look examine close to
the testosterone and the free testoteral bioavailable testoster. I need
to look at the range you know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Yeah, well we can talk about this because Sammy also
was telling me the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
Yes, yes, yes, So it's complete difference, complete difference in
the time you're feeling, you know, in terms of your motivation,
sleep performance, physical performance. Crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
But I noticed, I noticed from this treatment, I have
more energy. Obviously, the pain is gone on my hip.
And I'm waiting, like it's taking six weeks. I've only
had almost three weeks now, so I'm still waiting for
their Hopefully it gets better and better results. But so far,
so good.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
I would just for the pain relief I got in
my hips. I would spend the money on that just that, because.

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
Just the pain, I agree, because the pain every time
you bend, every time.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
Terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
I know. I lived with pain for years and I
still do in some in some cases.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
And even for like I'm not worried about this wrinkles
and all this bullshit, but you get naturally the stem
cells kind of like take care of the aging process too.
They get rid of wrinkles, and now they're when I
was down there, I saw the video they're actually rather
than boattox. They put the stem cell injections and in
the woman's face and it's like taking everything away naturally, right,

(01:17:45):
it's like a really reversing the clock in a natural way.
You're not putting this crazy fucking botox or any of
this other stuff. But yeah, I think we're gonna see,
you know, the like what I saw in front of
my eyes, unequivocable results and testimonials from these people. Guy
fucking paralyzed in a wheelchair and he's walking because themselves.

(01:18:09):
It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Man. So I think I think the stem cells field
will bring a lot of innovation in one year, you know,
yeah for sure, just a question, as I said, two
questions tressability, and that's side the sect, you know, because
imagine if it grows cartilage, what else it can grow?
You know, But hopefully they say that No, it's just
just you know, just targeted area. Yeah, I will check

(01:18:35):
it out.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
Yeah, check it out. The I mean I think I said,
or not at the length?

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
Yes, I accelerate. Yeah, yeah, you said me before we
talked about it a year ago and you said you're
considering this.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
And if you want to intro I can email you
to the to the woman in the US. But brother, dude,
so the videos is going up on all these crazy travels.
But let's let's come back in April on the podcast.
Then the audience will watch the videos and then we
can talk about more crazy ship about yeah, man, and

(01:19:07):
let's we got to get together the summer.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
Man, So you tell me where you have a plane,
You have a plane. Come, I'm going to Dubai in
the Cup in May, and then you know we we
we're buying some properties in Asia, I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
So maybe I'll come to visit you in May. I'll
come to.

Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
Dubai, come to I'll show you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
Just don't just don't fucking bring that guy with the
cocaine problem that you told me, that crazy, crazy story.
We should tell the story next time we're on the podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
That's a crazy without names, without names.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Yeah, without names? All right, brother, same, all right, dude,
let's keep the touch next man, Right

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
You've been listening to a self red lady.