Ep. 318 - Andrew Wilkow - SOFREP Radio

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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(01:32):
soft rep dot com on time on Target. I don't
think the audience heard what you originally said, so you know,
I'm just saying I feel very sloppy because I was
out drinking with a couple of army buddies yesterday and
pretty hungover right now. Anyone that this audience may be
familiar with, No, just one guy I know from Colombia
and another guy uh I met. He actually worked or

(01:55):
used to work for a news agency. But um, both
really good guys. We we're wearing an offensive T shirts. No, No,
I wasn't, so I should say in studio with us.
First goal for the first time and Andrew Andrew, Well, cow,
who is really the reason that that I'm here? Yeah,
and Andrew would have me as a guest and Brandon
as a guest all the time on his show. And

(02:15):
that's you know how we met Andy and how he
came to meet you don't call him and that he
could get away with it. There's been guests before that
you've said, Well, it depends if somebody's just there's there's
two ways of doing it. There's one who somebody's thinking
that they're you know, we're comfortable enough to say. Then

(02:36):
there's that condescending Andy, you know, like you know the difference,
you know, the difference when somebody's doing it to be
condescending and when somebody's doing it because they're just they
think they've gotten into the comfort zone. I don't get mad.
It's you know, I remember Senator Jim de Mint calling
you Andy and and getting fine with you. It's fine. Which,
by the way, whether people like his politics or not,

(02:57):
super nice guy from when he's come on, like, I
don't think anybody could have a problem with that guy
personal even Dailish, even John Stewart said he was like
the nicest person. Yeah, he really was. Um. So for
those who don't know, I should at least give an
introduction if who Andrew is? Andrew the host of the
willcal Majority on Serious Sex and Patriot. Uh, you're going
to be hosting You're on show Will cow on CRC

(03:17):
up back on TV, which we'll get into. I guess
the first big announcement for this audience that you could
get into is that the software dot Com paywall is down,
which is yeah, UM, you know, the guys made the
decision to take it down. So we were a subscription
website for I mean we were we were open first

(03:38):
like what six months, eight months or something, went to
a pay subscription model, yeah, fairly quickly early on, and
so like the last five years or whatever, we've been
a subscriber website. UM. And now that's the paywall is
taken down. Anybody can go read anything on the website. UM.
So it's wide open, and you know, hopefully that helps
get the word out more and more people will be

(03:59):
able to read UM. You still have to be subscribed
to uh, make comments on the website, UM access some
of the other functionality of the website. UM. The people
who are existing subscribers, they're gonna get you know, like
UM free upgrade. They're gonna become like the premium membership
we have and all that. They're gonna go into that automatically.

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And I don't I hope on not speaking out of turn,
but I believe they're going to have access to softwarep
TV as well. That's that's going to be part of
the part of the deal that we're gonna grandfather all
the existing subscriber subscribers into Yeah. I think with the
success of Create Club, it's allowed us to have more
free content than we originally did because we know, for
a while it was like we were trying to figure

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out how to make the podcast profitable and we to
pay wall for that and to pay wall for the website.
And now it's like Create Club has allowed us to
do that. So it's all this free content. And if
you really want to support the writers, I would say,
more than anything, subscribe to Create Club because that's the
business as a whole, and and pow, we're getting revenue. Yeah.
I mean, it's no what it's really figured out this

(05:01):
whole media thing, and it's changing so much that what's
the what's the model to use? And you know we're
doing we were just media, we were just news, but
now we're you doing also products and that's helping to
pay the bills. Well, you know, it's funny. When I
first went to Sirius in two thousand and six, Um,
you know, I was just a weekend guy on w
ABC here in New York City and I was full

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time upstate New York w g Y, and I had
people say no one's gonna pay for radio, No one's
no one's gonna pay for that. And it was funny
that the people that were sure nobody would pay for radio,
we're probably also sure that nobody would pay for television. Right.
And as the radio industry added more and more inventory
and the commercial breaks got the six seven minutes long

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you know, when you're when you're at when you're looking
at a minor league subscription fee annually, when you break
it out over twelve months to not have you know,
almost a half hour of your hours programming be commercials,
you know, and and and the the universe of bandwidth
that it opens, you know, you find that there are
people that after enough annoyance from from commercials, they don't

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want to hear. It's amazing what they're willing to pay for. Yeah,
I mean it's uh, we we were very very fortunate.
I think that people paid to subscribe, paid to read because,
like you said, no, you know that it's a joke,
but people are on the ground floor of the military
independent journalism. I would say, you guys almost created it, right, Yeah,

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in a in a sense, yeah, the idea that you know,
a journalist can also be a source I mean you're
bringing these kind of personal experiences to the table. Um.
I've always said that you and Brandon founded Nick show
like the perfect time. It was when he put out
The Red Circle. There wasn't this saturation of Navy seal books.
It was kind of rare. There was Chris Kyle, there

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was Brandon, not much else for modern day snipers and
that type of thing, and then there was the Bin
Laden shooting and there was this explosion of interest in
the special operations community. I think we we had a
lot of articles, a lot of content that no one
else had, and you know, people are willing to pay
for that kind of thing. I think the problem only
issue we ran into and every run into is being

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a special operations news website is that's a that's a niche.
You know, it's pretty small. It's smaller than even say
defense like we don't normally cover like the F thirty
five or like Navy ships, you know, so it's even
it's a niche within defense journalism. Um. So there could
be some scaling issues, of course, um, And I think
that was the only real difficulty we ran into. But

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this will go into your TV show. One of the
things that I was going to mention, sorry, that's your phone,
completely unprofessional. Uh, all right ahead this but this goes
into your TV show. As I can't make eye contact
with Andrew. Here is that I feel like less and
less you're gonna get it for you. There you go

(07:57):
to truly lie and as we've said, this is pirate,
there you go for um no. So with your TV show,
I feel like less and less people are subscribed to
the major cable companies. I can't tell you the last
time that I've, like, for an extended period of time
watched whether it's CNN, MSNBC or Fox News, I get
at all. Yeah, I get pretty much all of my
news from alternative sources. And I think that there's, you know,

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for what you're doing with CRTV, there's a conservative audience
that wants to hear what you're up to with Stephen
Crowder is up to and what Michelle Malkin is reporting
on and not have to have it filtered through these
you know. One of the problems too, is like when
you're on Fox News or CNN, which you've been on,
you literally have two minutes there to get out whatever
you want. One intelligent comment, and you did a pretty

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good job. But you know what's you know, I'll address this.
This is the part where I'm supposed to say, well,
this is because of the cord cutters. You know, when
the networks complain about chord cutting cord. I don't believe
that there's a phenomena of cord cutting. I believe there's
a phenomena of bad programming. And that I think when
you when when networks want to say a, people are

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cutting the chords. There that's their excuse for some of
the stale programming. And that instead of saying to their
their network higher ups, or or their their parent company
or even their board of directors and investors that we
have to get creative, they said, well, it's just a
trend people, a chord cutting. Well, I think if you're
putting on good programming, especially in a country with three

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people and this this internet environment where the gatekeepers and
their walls have kind of come down, that if you're
putting on good programming, good programming has an audience. It
doesn't matter if it's a m FM, Serius accent podcasting,
it doesn't matter if it's satellite, cable or or new
media Roku or whatever it is. I think if you're
doing a good program that an audience has been looking for.

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They're gonna they're it's it's a match. Yeah. But one
thing is if you if if I have a Roku box,
right and I just want to watch Andrew Wilco on
see our TV, I can do that as opposed to
paying like one to two hundred dollars for this big
subscription when most people are watching what two or three
channels regularly. You know. So I think that I do

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think the cord cutting plays into that, is that people
don't want to be subspoken. But again their cord cutting
because what's on the cord is not what they want.
There there is that, I mean, there is also there
is also you know, there are some people, many people
are creatures of habit that it's what's on TV. Right,
they turn on their television. And that's that's a generational

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thing too. Though these young people they're not going to
the TV. That's well, you know, Brandon said that just recently.
He was saying that he took a long skiing trip
with his three kids, you know, who are various age groups,
and he's like, they didn't look at the TV once
they The one thing they said is like the WiFi
sucks here. Yeah, I mean I was staying in hotels
all the time when I was doing this TV show,

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And I mean I think TV show an actual TV show.
And this is the funny thing about it. Yeah, I'm
on TV and I tell people, I'm like, I can't
even watch this thing because I don't have cable television. Um.
And but it's funny because I don't turn the television on.
I mean, I'd rather just watch videos on YouTube or
something like that then watch television or watch Facebook live.

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The the opportunities for people who have been who are
not the networks type. You know, this is the opportunity
that if you're not the network type for whatever that
whatever reason that is, they don't think you're pretty enough,
or they don't think you're pretty enough that you know

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that that that that whatever their standards are for sort
of I guess television perfection if people are looking for
more than that. Now I'm not saying I'm not a
handsome guy, because I am. Um, but you know this
is this is like bands who didn't get played on
the radio or ignored by MTV. You know, it's kind

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of funny. You look at a band like Metallica that
was ignored by radio, largely ignored by MTV. They finally
agreed to put out a video. Now the world came
to them. So you know, the industry is going to
have to at some points say, Okay, what did we overlook?
Who did we miss here? Who's getting popular out there?
And then we're gonna have to do But believe it

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or not, CRTV has actually kind of taking that model.
They've looked around at some of the biggest conservative faces
on YouTube like Stephen Crowder and said, how do we
bring that to us and make it a part of
what we're doing? The same thing for for Ali Stucky
and a few others. Isn't that like Frank Zappa said
something like that. Back in the day, He's like, you know,
when you had these fat cat business executives working at

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record labels, they didn't know what was cool, so they
would take a chance on somebody. But he said, you know,
then what happened was all these hippies came in. They
took over the record labels, and they thought they knew
what was cool. They thought they knew what kids wanted,
and they wouldn't take any risks because it was very
narrow of what they thought. And then in the late
seventies you had the punk explosion, so you know, and
then the record company started signing up. You know, you

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saw that with Nirvana. Nirvana got signed and all of
a sudden it was like five thousand grunge bands. Uh.
But yes, I think the networks and I'm not trash
talking any of the networks because I want to go
on them. It's see you twice, um that I think
when it when it comes to their next evolution of
of programming, they're gonna be forced to look at the

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metrics of what no different than someone saying what's hot
in the clubs right now? Right what's hot in the clubs?
There are bands, there are DJs. There, there's something out
there that's not on the radio and it's not under
contract with the record company, and they have to go
out and get it. Well, when that time comes, they're
gonna be networks like CRTV, like Software Radio, like whatever
it is that have been putting on popular programming, and

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they're gonna say we want that, we we want to
we we want to add it, we want to buy it,
we want to partner with it, we we we need it.
Because whatever we're doing is causing is still causing people
to cut the chord and go this way. It seems
like these networks have these like corporate committees that just
fresh everything though. I mean, if you watch Netflix, it
seems like they give a lot of creative freedom to
people and that's why they have these very good television

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shows on Netflix, and by comparisons, stuff on cable TV
just seems so pedestrian. Well, you know, it's funny is
that you get that's like death ray. I mean, I'm
just being frank about it. You know, well, you know
what's funny is that And still and still, this is
the one thing I hang my head on with with
serious x M is there's still taking risks putting on channels,

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putting on people that probably had no chance at AM
and FM, you know, and and and that's the guy
that I they brought me in from from AM talk
and and put me on. But they've put on a
lot of people that you know, probably if it was
just you know, to competing news talk radio stations, are
two competing sports programming or you know your heritage classic

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rock and new rock station, probably you know they're there,
We're putting on people that probably if the program doctor
didn't like you, like in the movie Airheads, Like I
read the trades, you know that they're putting on people
that probably in in a more controlled radio environment, might
not have got on the air. Well. Speaking on this subject,
I mean, tell us about your TV show. How what's

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it gonna be? How how are you going to draw
people in? I had another TV show at a and
you know, it was going fine for a while and
something's happened. Um, not here to address those things, but
the show. The show went away very unceremoniously. And this company,

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It's funny. I was contacted by the people who were
building the infrastructure for this company. I think it was
the day or two days after I lost that TV show.
I get a call and, uh, the guy on the
other line says, Hi, you don't know me, but I'm
I'm starting up my own, my own network. And I
was like, okay, I've I've been through this before. And

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and we started talking, and UM, you know, I wasn't
sure what I that I wanted to leave Sirius x M.
I didn't know what I wanted to do next. And
they started, they started laying their groundwork and Their first
big sign was was Mark Levine, which I think was
a really good UM choice given that you look at

(16:18):
how many people are locked up in the business, whether
on radio and have a TV side gig. He was
kind of, you know, the one that was available with
a really big platform following to build on. And we
shot a pilot last year UM in a studio they
had they had up in Vermont, And if I remember correctly,
Brandon was on right and actually and and we actually

(16:41):
did we actually did a a segment that never actually ed.
We did this really cool thing about how the politicians
have gotten so comfortable just saying well, special operations, right,
It's like, well, you can't just shake the Special Operation
Stree in North Korea. It's a different animal. It's it's
you know, and and Brandon and and in the general
we're in agreement that this was not bring back our girls.

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This is not Syria, This was not an insurgency we
were dealing with. This wasn't a symmetrical warfare. This was
the threat of a nuclear you know, showdown in an
isolated country. And I remember when we shot the segment,
like God, why we should be able to air this,
like this is this is good stuff. But what they
were doing was they were bringing in people and kind
of kind of throwing them against the wall, giving them

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a time to do a a demo or or a pilot.
And out of that they picked mine and and you know,
like our studios are gonna be literally one block from you.
Guys were literally up the block here, Yeah, up the block,
and um, you know the studio spaces obviously down here
a much smaller we're gonna have. It's it's a startup,

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it's a it's a new enterprise. Um. But I think
the content is going to be similar to the old
TV show. But what they want, and I think this
is kind of smart. They want something that feels like
that network show but doesn't take an hour to get to.
So whereas I was doing probably seven or eight minute monologue,
are probably gonna be doing two minutes, which I should add,

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unlike network TV shows, you wrote the entire Yeah that
when I was working with you, you know, like you
were spending an insane amount of time writing these monologues,
doing the radio show, going to do the TV show
because you refused to do with these other networks. Do
where you read something that your producers read well, and
to to to credit people who are good at reading prompter.

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I have friends in the business, and I have a
friend who's a local newscaster, and he's like, some people
could own the prompter and some people can't. And when
I started doing the TV show, I had literally never
read a teleprompter before, and I thought, Okay, when you're
reading lines, it sounds like you're reading lines. Yeah. Well,
but but some people are good at making it, really

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owning it. And I didn't think I had that talent.
But I knew if I wrote it, if something went
wrong or I had to look away for a second,
I wanted. I knew if I wrote it, nothing can
go wrong because I wrote it. And you know, when
we first started that show, we had a very young staff,
very passionate staff, great bunch of young people. But I

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remember there would be times when there would be an
intro and somebody would just say sergeant. I would say, well,
master sergeant, sergeant for first class sergeant what or referring
to marines as soldiers. And it was no fault. It
was ay. We were a very small staff, were always rushed.
One of the things I had to I had to
kind of take back from that was knowing you guys,
and and and respect that I have for the military,

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was if we were gonna intro a military guests, we
had to get it right. You know. We always had
to make sure we got it right. If it was
we couldn't just say, well was it fifth Special Forces
Group or seven Special Forces Group? There's a difference, you know,
that sort of thing. And the writing became very natural
to me because I, again it was my relationship with
with doing the show, but I didn't have the experience

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of so many other people that are just organically good
at reading prompt So I thought, know, if you want
something done right, you better do it yourself. And that's
not to insult any of the people that you both
know that worked on my show. It was that we
were all inexperience and I felt that too. To succeed,
I couldn't read other people's words. So what's the show

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going to be about? What's the format going to look like?
It's it's it's gonna look like a news program. It's
very nice studio. I think we're gonna have shortened monologues
and get right to the point with guests. They've hired
a great stable of really mostly young conservatives um and Crowder,
Stephen Crowder. You have also Gavin McGinness is a little

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to than me, say young, one of the co founders
of Vice News. They have a really eclectic group of people,
from social conservatives like Steve D's to libertarians like Matt Kibbey.
So it's it's not gonna be stodgy conservative, it's not
going to be full on libertarian, but you're gonna get that.
You're gonna get everything from the social conservative of side

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to the libertarian side. And I think I think libertarians
mostly get kind of left out a lot from from
you know, the sort of right left paradigm. Libertarians offer
something that's that's kind of neither right nor left. It's
more um, you know, airing on the side of limited government.
So I think that's gonna be a big thrust. Is

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kind of filling in where some of the networks have
kind of ignored certain personalities and and and streams of consciousness,
especially libertarian. That's what we're gonna be looking for. It's
interesting to see how libertarians have gotten a bad name
too over I noticed this trend just really over the
last couple of years really, and I think libertarians have
to own a little bit of it because um some

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went down that whole anarcho capitalism road, Uh so okay,
or or that that they were very bad diplomats for
their belief system because it was almost it was almost
as smug as liberalism could be. Sometimes that if if
you don't know everything that I already believe, I don't
have time to walk you through it. And if you're
not with Ron Paul get Away, many of us, many

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of the audience that just say said that about the
guy we had on he was running for president Austin
very like, I'll be honest, came off as very arrogant
with us at times when when he said to me,
I remember that. The part that that that rings out
to me and I've heard I've seen people tweet me
about it was when he said basically, we don't need
a border patrol, and I was like, well, then how

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would you protect you know, the border that that's why
we have it back to that and everything should freely
flow with their Second Amendment right could protect the border,
Like that's really what you want? You want? And yeah,
so as I wear my border patrol. Had he's been
on your show too, but I think he had that
libertarian like arrogance. And I'm a libertarian, you know, like

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lawless countries are not a fun place. Well, and and
what the problem A lot of problems with libertarians is
on a there's no kind of half measure, like why
isn't the fire department privatized? You know, it's okay? And
I get I get the argument. I've read my lout Rock, well,
my Mariy Lot, Mariy Rothbar just for good measure. But

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you think most voters think the biggest problem with their
government department, you know, like you guys, you gotta you
gotta pick some more obvious targets. And the problem with
with libertarians sometimes and it's not all libertarians, um, is
they are almost as absolutist on the whole, you know,
taking a whole ideology. And can you see that a
lot with with progressives that if you aren't a pro

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trans vegan, uh, then you're a nazi, right, you're right
if you're not, if you're not all checking all these
boxes all at once. And I think I think libertarians
have great ideas, but they also have to be willing
to share them with people who don't really understand them.
And I think you once you to explain why you
believe what you believe. If you're a libertarian, yeah, the

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government should be out of marriage. Okay, good, Yeah, and
understand that we have a democracy and it's going to
be a blending of ideas between different boy, it's never
gonna be a pure ideological government. I don't know we
want an ideological government. I just want a government things
like me. Well, that's that's everybody, isn't it going into
you know what? When you were saying what the TV
show is going to be about? I think that's the

(24:14):
cool thing that you always break down these political philosophies,
like the origin of them, the writers who started them.
Like I know you're big on Boss Stiat and all
this stuff, and Jack and I have said on the
podcast really often like you turn on network news and
it's all their commentary on what Trump tweeted, and you're like,
I could go to Twitter and I could read Donald
Trump's twitter. I don't need you to give you know,

(24:36):
a twenty minute break. Then that's why pros and cons
what you were talking about about, why people aren't tuning
into television because why do I need to see somebody
on television. Tell me what Trump tweeted. We we can
go there and read how dumb he looks ourselves. I mean,
we can see it. I actually like a lot of
his tweet. But that's a separate argument for a separate day.
One of the things I get to do also is
and you guys are down the block, is I like

(24:58):
that in depth variance military journalism? You know this? I
mean I want to. I want to hear those stories.
I don't I don't want to just be like are
we launching a missile or or were not? I want
the nuances. I think. I think the audience is going
to come to this program and it's go, oh, these
guys have been there, done that, and their opinions are
based on their experiences. And it's not just this surface

(25:22):
level d o J bureaucrat, foreign policy bureaucrat, academic bureaucrat,
uh sort of opinion. It's like, hey, I put boots
on the ground here, this is a bad idea, or yeah,
we could accomplish this, but you know it's gonna have
to have political will. It's not just the the UM
network contributor who you know is saying what the network

(25:45):
chieftains want them to say, which I again, I'm never
privy to the stuff. I would rather sit down with
you or Brandon or whoever. And all right, guys, you know,
even if it's not your area expertise, I mean, like
you know, maybe launching nuclear missiles is not you have
experience with, but I still respect your opinion on it
because you know, special operations pretty much as always at

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the four of all these things, and I want those
special operation guests to give me their experience based opinion.
So would you have some ideas as far as uh
kind of topics to cover? I mean, you mentioned La Nicola, Tesla,
was was there a death ray? Yes, a lot of
the stuff that we're gonna be doing. Um. You know,

(26:27):
obviously people have their opinions on Trump, but when you
get past the tweets and the Democrats being apoplectic, you
take an example like DOCTA. Whether you agree or disagree
with DACA, the fact that he said this is an
executive order that never should have been written. The job
of Congress. You know, if you cut through, If you

(26:49):
cut through, I guess what excites some people and get
to was it constitutional for him to push it back
to the Congress? Absolutely, and we're I think we're gonna
be doing more of that than spending time on what
the president tweeted, Um, who's angry at him for tweeting it? Um?
You know, the social media part of it. Yeah, I mean,

(27:10):
I guess if we're forced to cover. But I think
we're gonna go more into policy and the constitution. And
it seems like there's a lot of folks out there
who needs some help with like basic civics, like how
your government works, and see people getting so angry about stuff,
and like you realize, you know, the president doesn't have
that big of a role to play with the economy especially.

(27:31):
I mean, I'm not well, you know, we always say this,
and I know that conservatives get accused of being, um,
I guess, conspiratorial with public education. But when you look
at public education, what's the incentive of government run education
to teach you about the limits of government? Because you
might go, well, then why am I in a government classroom?

(27:51):
It doesn't say anything about that in the Constitution. I
think we have, for political purposes, dumbed down our teaching
of civics and made it more about what is the
greater good? Who's trying to achieve a better, a better
tomorrow for this, rather than saying is the government good
at this? And should they continue doing this? Where is
the government belong? Where doesn't it belong? Where the states belong,

(28:14):
where the cities belong, Where to you know, where the
charities belong. I think we've we've been taught to believe
that our president is supposed to be are our moral
lord and savior. And you know, our president is not
supposed to be our moral lord and savior. We're not
a king, is not a king, and we shouldn't treat
him like a king. And you know the scary thing
is is that when you when you look at the way,

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and I'll make this my conservative complaint that the Democrats
kind of thought that Barack Obama should be unleashed to
do all these good things, and then as soon as
Donald Trump became president, Well, we have a constitution and
president no, no no, no, no no, either we are consistent in
the limits of the executive branch and the judicial branch
and the legislative branch. Or we are opening ourselves up

(28:58):
to a sort of un anarchy that well, the Supreme
Court said so, well, are they empowered to say so? Well,
they're Supreme Well, that's not what it says an article.
I know you've seen the meme, uh you know when
liberals and they've told me this too. I'm sure you've
heard it where they say, look, we don't need the
Second Amendment anymore, like we're never gonna have this authoritarian,
dictatorial government. You know, there's no need for the second

(29:20):
elected trumpet they right now under under Barack Obama states
right to equal racism. And as soon as Donald Trump
got elected, it's California threatened to secede. So it's like
it's kind of like it's it is that kind of
crazy today. I like it tomorrow. I don't kind of
thing and separate from from from libertarians. I think constitutional conservatives,

(29:45):
you know, whereas I have my personal opinions on social issues.
But I go, yeah, it's not in the constitution, so
really it's not for government. And I think one thing
that we're going to try to do and I I
will lay this blame on on liberals. Liberals don't separate
their opinions from government if they believe it it's government right.
Whereas everyone has emotions place I, as a constitutional conservative, say,

(30:09):
do I believe in traditional marriage? Yes? Do I believe
it's the cornerstone for society. Yes. Do I think it's
the base best way to raise a child? Yes? Do
I think the government should be involved? No? And I
think that's a hard full stop for a lot of
people to make that when they capture the whims of
the wheels of power, like what can I what of

(30:29):
my personal agenda can I can? I can I place
upon the society? And as a constitutional conservative, I like
that full stop that you can have your opinions, you
can live your way. You could say your freedom to
be you include my freedom to be free from you
don't want to bake you a cake or bake me
an f and cake or whichever cake you want baked. Um.

(30:51):
But I think the full stop has to come is
does the government need to be here? And you know,
if you're being honest with yourself, sometimes you know the
government does belong. There's there's an interesting conversation there too
about the whole nature of freedom and when you give
people freedom, they're also going to do stupid things. But
that but see that, But I am, well, I am
one of these people, Like right right now we're debating

(31:11):
pot laws and the Tenth Amendment, doesn't say one word
about the marriage. I wanna government regulating what we put
in our bodies. People say, well, if we didn't have
an FDA, well, you know, maybe we should inspect coming
in from foreign countries, find that's cross border you know, dealings.
But as far as whether or not the federal government
should tell people they should should or should not smoke marijuana,

(31:34):
as someone who doesn't smoke marijuana isn't gonna smoke marijuana
is in a state where it's gonna be legal real soon,
not gonna change my my use of it. You want
to drink raw milk, knock yourself out, knock yourself out,
that's that's up to you. You want to raise your
kids to believe this debt of the other thing, go
right ahead. Yeah, all of these things, uh, you know,
with the freedom of speech, the right to bear arms,

(31:54):
they have negative consequences also. But I think it's like socially,
it's a question of if we accept this, we we
accept the trade off. Essentially. Now you give people freedom,
some people are gonna do dumb things with it. They're
gonna hurt each other, but they're gonna do that. But
we we've also I think we've proven without a shadow
of a doubt that the law doesn't always protect us,

(32:15):
or we wouldn't be talking about tide pod challenges right now,
you know. And and I joked on Twitter, I said,
here's a tide pod challenge from millennials. Do your own laundry.
But but if somebody's gonna put a tide pot in
their mouth, But how does the government stop that from happening? Yeah,
you can't stop people from being dumb. You are right,
even if the mornings right there, Yeah, shouldn't eat that

(32:39):
and it's going right, you know. I mean, even even
even with a mechanized law that is supposed to prevent
us from doing harm to ourselves, people will find a
way to do harm to themselves. And you know there
are old sayings about dangerous freedoms. Well, yeah, freedom is freedom.
Freedom is Dane dress. It's unpredictable, it it's it's it's

(33:03):
hard to account for. And I think that scares people
in in certain functions of government that well, what if
we can't control people. Well, we're not talking about opening
ourselves up to the waste land of the road Warrior,
but you know, I think when the government meddles too much,
you know when the government treats people like children and

(33:24):
wonders why they can't make good decisions. Yeah, just just
to reset here since we are doing the live stream,
we're here with Andrew will Cow hosted the willcal Majority,
guy I worked with for probably like seven years about
something like that until I never yelled at him once. Yeah,
that's probably true. Yeah, it's absolutely We always got along
very well. Don't want anybody, Yeah, no, we get along
very well. Only on the air. I have a passionate voice, passionate,

(33:49):
passionate voice, but I don't really yell. Yeah, So I
mean that's really where I personally, you know, for those
watching Ian Scotto producer here and other on air town.
But yeah, that's where I met Brandon, where I met
Jack can wear this whole thing. The only person missing
from the party is Mike Ben's well, he's busy cutting
up audio and running logs back at serious Sex. I've
told you before, and you know you already know this,

(34:11):
not to name any names. There's been guests. Mikey is
just such a funny one wine guy that I've seen
guests just listen to Mike kind of ramble in the
control room and steal his lines on air with you
and you feel like they were there, and I'm just like,
you just said this, And Mike is just the type
of guy is just like whatever. He doesn't get Piste
off about it. I would kind of get Piste and

(34:31):
be like, dude, that was money because he he always
has those lines. But I wanted to get into the
last Veterans Stay broadcast because the thing I know about
you from working with you for so long is like
the Veterans Day and Veteran Issues is not something that
once a year you get into. Year round, you do
things for veterans, whether it's going with um Rickayanucci at

(34:54):
the ranch in New Mexico, riding horses with vets who
have post traumatic stress issues, and that what you pretty
much donate to year round. It's not a one time thing.
And you guys donated like tens of thousands of dollars.
We raised over thirty thousand dollars at emin O, Looney
Is a Bar and Times Square this year and for
operations show, I read Circle Foundational Horses for Heroes, Semper

(35:18):
five Funds. Uh, yeah, it was. It was really exciting.
Um we had some fans in the n y p
D who When we found out that they were they
were fans and we got to hang out with them.
They said, you know, we want to get involved in
your Veterans Day thing. You know what could we do?
I said, you know, look, I got bikers who want
to come to this thing. You know, I mean, if

(35:39):
you can help me park a hundred bikes. And you
know what a column of a hundred Harmony Davidson looks
like coming down the street. It's it's huge and like
we're on it. And next thing I know, I got
I got guys from the north West, the Northwest Jersey
Chapter of HOG, talking to n y p D, talking
to Serious ex Sam, talking to emmin O looneys. And
this year we was like, we put this thing out

(36:01):
on social media. Hey, you want to ride, you gotta
make a minimum twenty dollar donation to get your T shirt.
And I'll say nobody made the minimum twenty dollar donation.
I mean people, we we had one guy donate five
grand for one T shirt, and you know, it was
it was amazing the passion of these these guys. Some
of them were cops, some of them were firefighters, many

(36:22):
of them were veterans themselves. Uh, just for a little record.
Del Gotto pulled his bike up right as the riders
were coming in. Del Gotto jumps on his bike and
just goes, hey, I'm here, like like he just wrote
out in front. And we had all these guys and
we were We put an order form up on the
internet and people were mailing money to my merch provider, mailing.
He said to me, called me be goes. I can't

(36:42):
believe in this day and age of PayPal, people are
handwriting one check for a donation and then handwriting another
check for the shipping and handling for the shirt. And
when when, even when we were done, money was still
pouring in from people who didn't no matter what they don't,
they just wanted. It wasn't even about the shirt, which
was a pretty cool shirt, but they wanted to donate

(37:05):
to these charities. Because what we were doing was one
direct giving. We didn't set up an H five or
one C three. We didn't hire an administrator, we didn't
hire an accountant. Basically, what we asked on the order forms,
you picked one of six charities or donate to all six.
You write the check directly to them, We mail you
the shirt, and we give the check to the charity.

(37:26):
So when Stop Soldiers Suicide sold up, I handed them
a stack of checks and I remember saying, I don't
know if it was from from the from Red Circle
of Stops Solder Suicide. They're looking all these checks and go, hey,
that's a good problem to have, right Well, I was like,
what about me? Because I was the only one who
even knew anyone from Red Circle Foundation other than Drew
d Wire. I have nothing to do with the foundation,

(37:46):
and you get you gave me the envelope of like
all this cash and checks. I think I went on
the train with like how much would it have been?
It's like five thou dollars December five? What do I
do with this? Separate five fund was a late addition
because we got to meet J. W. Cortez, who plays
Detective Alvarez on the Fox show Gotham. So they were

(38:08):
very late additions. We didn't raise as much money for them, um,
but each of the other five charities got a little
over five thousand each, and I think it was like
about a thousand for Semper five. I'm sorry I didn't
make it this year. We'll get you next. I was
doing the TV stuff and Emmett is always great, we
should say, if anybody's ever in the area and once separate,

(38:29):
like you know, in a vast amount of liberalism, we
were talking about. The Socialist Workers Party is like down
the block. You know that it's four doors down from you.
They have a red star on a banner out there
that's the second floor is the Socialist Workers Party Holy ship.
So yeah, my my point, yeah, maybe you should do
some investigative investigative work there. But yeah, my point being

(38:52):
like in this city, Emmett is a very proud supporter
of veterans, a proud openly conservative guy has you know,
everything from your stickers to at with shrug posters on
the Tonto signed books to brand the branded web sandwich
I think. And yeah, so he's just a great guy.
I would recommend people. But we're already planning VET Ride

(39:16):
eighteen because and we figured it out, like you know,
the reason why we're gonna do it this year's because
it fell out on a Saturday, and next year it
falls out on a Sunday, and it's probably gonna be
a few calendar years before we have a weekend to
do it again. So we've already got our parade permits
foreen for this year. We've already got the go ahead
from Serious Action, we already got the go ahead from Emmett.
We already got the charities ready to line up again.

(39:38):
And I mean this year was it was difficult because
there was such a crush of people that I was
so distracted on the year. It was hard to get
our guests. People want one. I'm right in the middle
of the broadcast. One guy walked ocau, Hey, how do
I get a T shirt? I'm like over there, over there,
you know, So I think we're gonna set up the
T shirt and merch table. We had one of the

(39:59):
where the ride up began at Tremont and Harley in
New Jersey, and then we had another one at Emmett's,
and they decided to put it like kind of next
to the broadcast with them like, I think we're gonna
have to separate things and be able to get our
guests in and out much quicker. But NYPD, I mean they,
I mean, we had Jersey State troopers taken the writers
from New Jersey to the Lincoln Tunnel and n y
p D picked them up. And when you stand there

(40:19):
on a street and a hundred Harley's in a column
are coming. First of all, it's loud, and it was
just it was an incredible, incredible day that we to
raise that kind of money. So yeah, throughout the year
I worked with Rick, I I donate money. I don't
brag about it, um, but yeah, to be able to
send him about six grand or whatever it was, you know,

(40:42):
for operations, chillout, that's life changing money. If you don't
know what to do for homeless veterans, right, yeah, they
they get they work with a network of homeless shelters
and if they get a call or they get they
get a veteran who was arrested for a petty you know,
kind of like if there's a homeless veteran who basically
gets himself arrested to get a little shell there, the
police will call them or the homeless shelter will call them,

(41:03):
and they will come with a backpack of supplies immediately,
which they keep backpacks with socks, shoes, underwear, change all
kinds of you know, toiletries, and then they get them
into a halfway house and then they try to get
him a job. I'm gonna I'm gonna take some questions
from the audience at that point, because I know that
there's a ton of them coming in. People want to
ask Andrew stuff. I always try to get them in

(41:25):
and they're always like, you know, be interactive here because
that's why we do Facebook Live. But UM, I'll look
through them. I'm the only one here with the computer
near me. But I did want to ask you about
um just because I haven't been there with your show
every day. I actually do tune in when I can.
What's like the biggest story that the media is avoiding,
DOCA avoiding, Because what I was gonna say is that,

(41:46):
for example, when I worked on your show, I remember
you were talking about the Uranium one deal with Hillary
Quentin long before the media was, and you were talking
about it every single day. So I'm just wondering, like,
what are they not covering that you think they need to. Well,
it's funny that the bigger excuse now is that John
Solomon at the Hill has been doing amazing reporting on

(42:07):
some of these these this Uranium one, the money that
was flowing people who have been indicted, um, most notably
one of these trucking company executives who was working with
the Clintons. It's amazing to me how they want to
prosecute everything Donald Trump says, any accusation from the past.

(42:28):
And yet when you're like, yeah, okay, grabbin by the
P word, that probably wasn't the smartest thing for him
to say, but it was kind of said in you know,
just and not meant for public commentary. But you know,
if you had a Secretary of State and former president
who were working a deal to you know, sell not
for transfer for nuclear weapons. One of the biggest conspiracies

(42:50):
about this that we were trying to give the Russian's
nuclear weapons. They have nuclear weapons, they have all the
nuclear weapons you know they could possibly but to give
them partial control of an energy market or a strategic
asset market was something that absolutely made no sense. And
you know, it was the New York Times that when
conservatives got you know, backlash in the media for this

(43:11):
is like I was like, I'm reading this in the
New York Times. That story the story kind of came
and went, and you can't go, whoa hold on a second.
You do a whole piece about the Clintons taking a
hundred fifty million dollars leading up to this uranium deal,
and we're supposed to go yeah, moving on to something else.
Donald Trump tweeted, Andrew, can you break down the story
a little bit. I know it's very complex, but I
actually have not followed its. Starting in two thousand five,

(43:36):
Bill Clinton started working with a man named Frank Gistro
who was a Canadian kind of mining magnet. And he
was traveling with Gistra as he was expanding operations of
places like Uzbekistan, and I guess it was nice to
have the former president of the United States with Bill
Clinton played a big role in Kazakhstan and other countries.

(43:58):
On Kazakhstan, he helped open up that after he was
touring with Frank Gistra and some of these these mining
investors and they were securing, you know, big mining contracts,
and over the years, um, you know, there was this
this building relationship. And then when Hillary Clinton became Secretary

(44:19):
of State, a mass load of donations started coming into
the to the Clinton Foundation. And when they say nine
agencies had to sign off on this, yeah, but what
those other nine agencies didn't know that only the d
o J in the State Department apparently knew, was that
the FBI was investigating some of these these mining operations
and the money that was flowing in, and then Peter

(44:41):
Schwitzer put out the book Clinton Cash, and then the
New York Times put out their piece in so, you know,
it's it's a lot to do right here without me
kind of having notes in research in front of me.
But the the it was reminiscent of the Johnny Chung
Chinese missile Laurel Space and Communications deal, where you had
money coming in from high ranking Chinese officials. You had

(45:05):
money coming in from Bernard Schwartz and Laurel Space and Communications,
and then all of a sudden, Bill Clinton kind of
lifted sanctions on missile technology to China, and it was like, well,
did the money play a role in this? Now? You know,
you would have many in the media who would say, well,
we don't know if it played a role, want it um.
But when you're talking a hundred and fifty million dollars um,

(45:28):
you have to ask the question did it play a role?
It's so I mean, I think that's how the Clinton's
and the Clinton Foundation have always operated, that it's this
quid pro quo that they're very smart about how they
go about it, because it's hard to foundation, it's hard
to prove well, you know, you look at their actions
in haiti Um. We got to interview the former the
head of their parliament, not the not the prime minister,

(45:50):
and he said that one of the things that Clinton's
wanted for for relief was to change the constitution about mining,
and Tony Rotten walked away with gold mining rights. So
you know, and that's not not not anything I'm made
we're supposed to believe. It's all just a was just
a coincidence. And you know, look, I know that conservatives
get a bad rap for being kind of the vast

(46:11):
right wing conspiracy and we hate Hillary and all that stuff,
but there are some things that you know, as a
journalist or whoever, there are things that are worthy of
looking into. And what's what's bizarre is when I ping
off of a New York Times report, I take angles
because you hate the Clinton's It's in the New York Times.
I'm not making this stuff up. It's in the Hill,

(46:31):
It's you know, it's in it's in Reuters of the
Associated Press. You always yeah, and I look, I have
I have rubbed people the wrong way with that. I
love my my brother in a bright bar, I love
my friends. A conservative review which I will be on
their TV platform. But I try to stay with the
Associated Press and Reuters and AFP and even use the
New York Times in Washington Post because people can't, well,

(46:52):
you're just getting that from the right wing blog? Is here?
Is that the Washington Post? Because I mean the last
time I checked that wasn't you know that wasn't the
home of right wing thought. By the way, it would
be a funny thing that I just have to mention here.
And I know you have no idea what he's up
to now, like most of us, But before Steve Bannon
was Steve Bannon, I just knew him as a guy
filled in for you A. Yeah, it was you know,

(47:14):
I've I've had people like, oh you and Bannon. I'm
like I had. I was around Bannon a couple of times.
There's the funny photograph that Mike will show you. He
was at Sea Pack and he was broadcasting and I
just kind of walked behind him when the cameras are
there and started doing a yoga pose while he was
in the middle of some kind of thing. He didn't
even like seem to know I was there. And after

(47:35):
Sea Pack I saw him. He used to sit at
this coffee house in the first floor of our building,
but there was very few interactions between myself and him.
He was never in the office when I was there.
I never went to any of the bright Bar Embassy parties. Um,
I kind of shy away from, you know, when we're
at the RNC or Sea Pack, the kind of after

(47:58):
parties that go on and sometimes go on too too
late into the night. I just kind of make my
way back to my hotel room. I have a few drinks,
you know, Mike, you guys, whoever. But I'm not I'm
not a scene a party scene person, so you know,
I don't I didn't really spend that much time with it.
I just thought it was interesting because I don't think
any of us would have predicted that Stephen caban And

(48:20):
would be like one of the most famous men in America. Notorious. Yeah,
I you know, I I gotta be honest. I didn't
see it coming either. Yeah. Um, So I'm looking at
the questions here. This is actually a good question that's
connected to what I just asked. But did Dale as
Linger watching on Facebook? We've what's the biggest national security

(48:40):
threat that the mainstream media isn't reporting? Both of you really,
But um, well, I I've said on I think it
was on your program or no, maybe it was. No,
it was on your program when you had a guest host. Um,
and I said China. And actually since that time, I
think the media has picked up on that story that

(49:01):
China is a revisionist power and a serious threat to
the United States. And I think that that's being covered
now a lot more than um than it was, you know, say,
two years ago. Well, I think one of the things
the media is ignoring, and we've had Gordon Shang on
about this. There was a story that was actually in
Chinese media that one of their test sites, I believe

(49:21):
the place when I want to try to pronounce this right,
I don't want assault that it was pungi Ree they
had a test fail that caused an avalanche, and Chinese
scientists were warning the Chinese government like, hey, maybe their
safety standards aren't up to par. And I didn't see
much in the in the media about this that you know,

(49:42):
maybe it was time to kind of work with the
Chinese because if the North Koreans are ill equipped to
handle nuclear weapons, think about what a misfire would do.
E M P wise to China. So you know, given
that we have a trade relationship, their economy relies on
trade partners. Us be the trade partners, European trade partners.

(50:02):
Let's try to use trade and the fact that the
North Koreans might be not the best at handling this
kind of stuff kind of like you know, like this, um,
maybe we could encourage them to be better allies or
partners in dealing with North Korea because you know, potentially

(50:23):
if the North Koreans have a misdetonation, it would have
effects for negative consequences for China. How about this Hawaii
uh fake the fake news? Yeah, that was crazy, Gary.
I mean, imagine getting one of those that there's I
c b ms incoming. Yeah, especially you know, you imagine
it here people people get a text that Starbucks run

(50:43):
in a pumpkin spice, you know, like it right, I
was saying, imagine that text was in Texas as opposed
to like Hawaii. I feel like people would be like
gearing up in the zombie apocalypse immediately, you know. I
I guess because I didn't get the text, some part
of me thinks that I would wait for confirmation, you know,
because my my wonder was you know, when people put

(51:06):
you in those you know, what would you do if
the plane was going down? Right? Well, what if the
plane didn't go down? What what if you thought you
were about to get hit with a nuclear weapon and
you only had a half hour to live, But then
you don't get hit with a nuclear weapon. You know,
It's like I have explained some explaining to the neighbors
to do you know, like what what did anyone act

(51:29):
on that? In this sort of like, hey, I got
a half hour to live? What do I do with
that half hour? And then the half hours up when
you're still there and they're they're broken a strip called Yeah,
that's gonna leave a mark. I wonder if there is
that out there we saw putting people and you're putting
kids in the sewer. I mean, I don't know I

(51:51):
would want to believe that that you would you would
see that and go okay, I need I need more.
I didn't need more, I need more clarification here, like
you know, um. It reminded me of the story that
you hear about war the worlds that when they announced
that alien invasion happened in New Jersey and people were
freaking out. I was like, hold a whole on a second. Yeah,

(52:12):
I feel like culturally we've also been kind of desensitized
because like every time there's like a thunderstorm, you get
a little word on your phone. The weather channel's going
crazy saying we're all gonna die, there's a flash flood
come in, blah blah blah. They're running at a pumpkin
spice when I mean, what what was that turn they're
using for that snowstorm? It snowed like six inches snow mgeddon.
It was like death cycle, cyclone bomb or something like that that.

(52:36):
I drove right through it. I drove. I just put
my car and foil drive, went right through it like
it wasn't even there. So yeah, I wonder if that,
like that message did go out well back to your
mean thing that you know, causing a panic, you know,
and this is this is a fear that when you
when you have twenty four hour coverage of snow Mageddon

(52:56):
or the cyclone bomb and then real you have three
inches of snow and people aren't dead, The power grid
hasn't gone down, you know, there isn't there isn't like
war for the last gallon of milk. You know, how
many times do you cry wolf before people go and
then you get a text nuclear weapons being launched. That's

(53:19):
the same thing too. With that, you know, not to
go back to Trump's Twitter, but every single day it's
could you believe what Trump tweeted? And that's believe it?
Something about that Basbok. He was like, yes, I believe it,
no matter before you even tell me what he tweeted.
And he was like, thank god, Congress has you know
power in our country. We don't live in a dictator

(53:39):
I forgot who said it, but they said they said
Twitter is the laser point. Trump is the laser point,
and the media is the cat. You know that, Like
he probably I would not be watched this. I'm gonna
tweet something out here. We go, there you go. I
can't I sneaky Diane, I can't do it. I can't
do that. I can't do the daily outrage. I just
can't do it. I agree. There's there's one guy who
always tweets me wants me to be as outraged as him.

(54:02):
Aren't you outraged? Yeah? Why aren't you outraged? So this
this is actually probably a question you get a lot
on your radio show. I just know, as a guy
who screens phone calls when I was there. Um, Steve
Lindberg Lindbergh, baby, okay on on YouTube, that's the next
episode of Jack's TV show. We're digging, Baby, We're gonna
find it. Do you feel there's a massive case of trees?

(54:25):
And with the Quintin's, I think they learned to perfect
early on in Arkansas. If you go back and read
their relationship with Tyson foods um and and the you
know when here's the weird thing. My understanding of that
started with Jerry Brown. It wasn't anything that I was like,
can I find something there? Jerry Brown in the ninety

(54:46):
two primaries looked right at Bill Clinton, said you had
you were looking the other way while Tyson Food was polluted,
polluting the white water and your wife was the attorney
for Tyson food ship. Well your states. Yeah, So this
this started with Jerry Brown. And before Bill Clinton was
the Bill Clinton, the be got really interested in his

(55:08):
relationship with the Walton family and and Mena Arkansas. There's
a lot of nefarious activities that went down. There's that too,
cocaine cowboys. But before Bill Clinton became you know JFK
two point oh um or as Colin Quinton what said
JFK had Mari Monroe and Bill Clinton went for the
first pair of acid wash jeans that fell out of
the butt rock, which I love him. That the media

(55:33):
was very willing to report more heavily on on their
sort of their pay for play. And I think it
only grew as as their influence grew. I think the
money got bigger and the the interests got bigger. So
you started with, you know, environmental issues in the White
River and pollution and the biggest two biggest employers in

(55:56):
Arkansas are Walmartin Tyson Foods. And then you move up
to uranium. Yeah, you move up to uranium, and I
just I can't This is what I don't understand about
the Clints. How much is enough? You know, at what
point do you say we are really potentially creating something

(56:18):
that could threaten the United States? And when I when
I'm not one of these people I've argued. I argued
with Mark Cuban about this. Mark Cuban kind of came
after me, like you don't really think that the Clintons
are sending uranium to RUSSI I'm like, no, no no, no, no,
not loading up an a C one thirty and sending
it over there. But they are giving them entrance into
the market where if the Russians are the worst thing
in the world, why would you want them controlling even

(56:39):
one percent of American mind uranium. By the way, that
was one of those things that just started as like
tweets back and forth, right and then you know, after
after tweeting back and forth and me saying, look, I
actually respect some of your your you know what, you
what you believe, I think you're barking up the wrong
tree looking for me is like some sort of you know, crazy,

(56:59):
you know person. And then he came on the program.
It was kind of like, you're not so bad. I
did get. What was more out there than Mark Cuban
randomly kind of calling in or Caitlyn Jenner randomly calling
have you seen the pictures of that? Yes? Okay? Um?
That I think was more bizarre for people at Serious
x M, because I had one executive recently say to

(57:22):
me that you are the cross sided, redheaded stepchild at
this company and I and she's like, I mean that
in the best way possible. That Look, it's it's Manhattan,
It's the entertainment industry. It is it is what it is,
you know, this is this town. And I think that
the people who don't like conservative media, we can't understand

(57:44):
how a Caitlin Jenner could possibly possibly like my program. Um.
The same thing goes for Kristen Beck. Kristin Beck Lessons
calls regularly that Kristin Beck cole recently and said, Andrew,
you know your beliefs on on a free society. They extended,
well like me, and it's a yeah, okay, thanks, hung
up satisfying you know that that that that's where that's

(58:08):
the libertarian and me talking, you know. But when Caitlyn
Jenner came in and was set to do this the
big book release from Andy Cohen from BABO, and Caitlyn
Jenner is sitting in the in the green room and
they said, could we get you anything? He said yeah,
Caitlyn said yeah. Andrew Andrew wilco and they're like wait, wait, wait,
wait what? So he and ian Ian and I get

(58:29):
summoned to the green room and there's the Caitlyn Jenner
sitting there, you know, and just hops up and both
of them. Remember I saw the picture. It was like
when the kind of persia has his hands on me
and shoulders like, I think, first of all, the inscription
of the book is to my work in progress. And

(58:50):
I was like, that's ironic, um, But forgetting this siss
mail versus zimsayser, what we know is Bruce Jenner and
I and I said this to Caitly, I said, you
will always be the Bruce Jenner on the wheaties box
to my generation. I said, but if you want to
live your life this way, this is entirely up to you.

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You still have to remember this is a world class
athlete who is larger than most men and now wearing
high heels. Caitlyn Jenner hops up off the chair and
just douges my shoulder with and I'm using gender Caitlin's
thumb and I'm like AOI and spins me around and

(59:34):
we take this picture, and I was I kind of
looked at Ian with a kind of sly smile as
as I'm getting this kind of like finger in the face.
But you know, it was, it was, It was very
It was more surreal to see the look on the
people's faces in the room, like what am I seeing here?
This guy is you know, in my mind, this right

(59:55):
wing monster and here is the person who is you know,
bray barriers for the transgender community and this person likes him,
you know, so that was that was a very weird.
The pictures were phenomenal. Yes, they do, they do. They
do speak a lot to picture, can say a thousand
words what they are. I have no idea should show

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it to the camera, Yeah, I'll repost it or something.
And we took it. Yeah. It almost reminds me, to
be honest of like when we've met Trace Atkins, who
was a friend of the show. Just powers above everybody,
like you know you talk about on the show Behind
you know, the plastic surgery, like Kitlin, what was Bruce
Jenner as you said, it's like a genetic freak of
a man, you know, and you know, without sending people

(01:00:43):
to the angrily, you know, send things to you. Yes,
Caitlin was once a you know, just like Kristen Beck
was once. I remember saying to to to Chief Beck.
I was like, well how about you bench and Chief
Beck was like three fifteen. I'm like, yeah, you know,
most women don't bet pounds. So you know, even if

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that is that that they're chosen lifestyle, you can't give
up on the fact that you were a Navy seal
that you know, hoisted lugs over your head and stuff
like that. I mean, you are big beef. I heard
Kristen Beck went the last well, one of the last
times Kristen Beck was on the show, and you were
in studio with John Gillham, and Kristen Beck was like, John,
how much do you bet? Exactly kind of conversation that

(01:01:31):
we're having here, You know, like, I don't discuss. When
I tell my wife how much I bet, She's like,
I don't care. She's like, I don't care. Yeah, that's funny. Um,
So I'm looking at some other questions here. This is
actually a pretty good question for all of us. I think, um,
do you think that radio shows or podcasts can eventually
overpower the twenty four hour news cycle? How can small
media companies stand a chance against CNN, MSNBC and Fox

(01:01:55):
when they seem to have large bases of revenue streaming
in I think it's already happening. Yeah, well, I think
the truth is and I, you know, not to discount myself,
I think that the network chieftains. You look at the
kind of money that's been lost on the signing of
of of some big media personalities. Recently without naming names. UM,

(01:02:18):
I think the days of throwing a twenty million dollar
contract at somebody. UM. I think that because people want
into this business, I think that they're gonna that. You
look at podcasters who edit their own podcast or people
that do their own YouTube channels. You know. I'll be

(01:02:38):
honest with you, at the new CRTV studio, myself and
my producer maybe wielling out the desk for the first
few months. And I think where this business has m
built some prima donnas. I think the new sort of
rogue new media types are a little bit more rough

(01:03:01):
and tumble and don't expect that twenty million dollar pay day,
you know that Like when you look at some of
the network news salaries. I think eventually, when they don't
get their bank for that buck anymore, you know, and
when people start subscribing to new media, and when you
see that revenue lost at some of these networks, I

(01:03:26):
think that that's when you'll see either the networks adopt
programs like mine or like yours or whoever's or their
business model will get outdated. I don't know. I I
think the audience is to even like that kind of
rough and tumble they don't. They don't want it to
be like overproduced. They wanted to feel you know, natural, authentic.

(01:03:46):
Don't get me wrong. The Fox News called me up
and said, look, you know we're buying you out. I will.
You know, look, we're all in this business to make money.
But you know, I've watched, I've watched. I remember when
I first got into radio and some of the paychecks
that you'd hear about morning anchors on local station. We're
not talking the big you know, syndicated shows. It was like,

(01:04:09):
oh my god. And then as the years went on,
it was kind of like, you know, DJ salaries almost
became like an hourly wage. Um. You know, I think
that that the the audience is spreading out. When you
only had three channels and three network anchors, right, you're
paying for one third of the market. I think as

(01:04:30):
these networks kind of lose market, I would say it's
almost like the brewing companies. Right at first Sam Adams
wasn't really a threat, and then you had all these
up start breweries and then the big brewery started buying
up some of these some of these brewing companies kind
of get them out of the way, or at least
own their market share, that those brewing companies were surviving
without the kind of revenue of an Anheuser Bush And

(01:04:50):
I think as long as there are people who will
survive on the salaries and revenue they drive for their
new programs, it will force the networks to reefing their
business models. I would argue that Joe Rogan, I think
has a bigger audience than just about anybody. You know,
I don't really hear people talk about that. You hear
what this host said on this show, but I constantly
hear about who Joe Rogan had on He's always like

(01:05:13):
the top of the the Apple podcast chart. And that's why,
Like when a Lance Armstrong wanted to do an in
depth interview about his steroid use about everything, that's where
he went. He didn't go to a major network or
UM Barack Obama. When he did that in depth interview,
it was with UM Mark Mark Barron, So you know,
I know Mark Barron, and that's a whole another subject.
Like not very successful with the liberal talk radio, but

(01:05:35):
he found his niche with this podcast thing, and like
there's podcasts that have way bigger listenership. Then stole the
versions of podcasting from where I said, yeah, I know,
I'm just you know, well, Sirius XM is great as well,
and it is also an alternative to like the traditional
am FM thing going on. You know, you've talked about
it before, the fact that you're competing in the time slot.

(01:05:55):
Rush Limbos says at eleven years and almost twelve, um,
this is a good one for you, Andrew from Marshall
Goally um watching on Facebook give We all know that
the first term mid term elections are a bad are
bad for the president's party. Any predictions about Republican loss
is also what happened with Jeff Flake, as I remember
he started out as one of the quote good guys. Well,

(01:06:18):
first of all, I think you can be offended at
the President's tweets, right, I know plenty of could serves
that don't like it. They think the candor is terrible,
they think it's a distraction. They would they wish he
would just govern. You know that that that that all
that should have been left on the campaign trail and
now he should you be giving up? I I get
all that. I mean, even though as somebody who thinks

(01:06:38):
that we kind of if you're gonna have, if you're
gonna drain the swamp. You're gonna have to cause kus
if you're gonna cause casting it a chaotic figure, right,
You're not gonna get one without the other. That's that's
my belief on it. Jeff Flake trying to refer to
you know, normally it's reducto at Hitler room right. It's like,
I don't like you, you're Hitler two. Claim that Donald

(01:07:00):
Trump has any relationship to a man who starved millions
of people and what's known now historically as food as
a weapon. I think this extreme comparisons. It's like comparing
telling a dirty joke to rape, which is happening with
the Me too movement that some feminists are now starting
to worry that that that trying to put everything in

(01:07:21):
one big best like he looked at me funny. That's
not like rape, you know. But but when you put
when you start to compare Donald Trump to Joseph Stalin
and Adolf Hitler, you're really downplaying what kind of absolute monsters,
To be fair, you did compared with because of its propaganda.

(01:07:44):
As far as the Republican losses. Here here's the thing,
you know, could this be a stock market bubble? Yes?
Could these bonuses be a one off thing. But if
he gets the economy right, if unemployment stays low, if
manure the unemployment like unemployment is historic lows, if people

(01:08:04):
are having more money to spend and they're genuinely happy,
the Democrats message having to be something other than that
is gonna be well, we want to take this all
away from you. I mean, how if they can't. You
can't argue with success. That was why Bill Clinton got
reelected right. The Republicans didn't have an argument against what

(01:08:27):
was seen as it's the economy stupid, right. Bill Clinton
worked with Republicans and got it right on the economy. Um,
if Donald Trump gets it right on the economy, what's
the argument against it? What? What is what is the
argument against for the average voter. If there's more money
in their back pockets, if they have more money to spend,
if therefore, oh one case, or performing better, if jobs

(01:08:49):
are being created in communities that were once decimated by
job loss. Now jobs are coming back. I mean, Grant
Dodge just announced that the RAM factories are opening back
and they're moving in their production from Mexico back into
the United States. If this trend continues for the next
two years. All I would ask anyone from the other
side of the als, what's your argument against it? Yeah,

(01:09:10):
I mean people vote with their pocketbooks at the end
of the day. Yeah, although, um, you know to to
give the other side, as we often do on here.
We were talking about the tax cut plant, you know,
the tax cuts, and you were saying, like people like
you hurts people like my parents, and which is kind
of weird. You like, I was under you know, I
think people are under the impression that if you're in
a higher tax bracket, whether you live in New York

(01:09:32):
or you live in you know, Louisiana, the Republicans are
good for you know, your paycheck, and like people like
my parents and are getting absolutely screwed, which is kind
of surprising, right I think. Look, I still I I
still advocate for the flat tax. Um. You know, if
you want to make a constitutional equal protection order the law,
we should play pay a single rate for the fair tax,

(01:09:53):
no deductions. I live in New Jersey. You know, I'm
one of these people that's gonna, you know, have to
deal with the state and local tax deduction. And you're
a property owner. Um the I I guess, um, And
you see the kind of panic. You know, Phil Murphy
got inaugurated today. You know, the question is, okay, so
what are we democrats in these high tech states do
you know? You know, it's real easy, it's real easy

(01:10:16):
to virtue signal. Look at us. We're in Massachusetts. We
invest in all kinds of these things. Yeah, but now
you gotta pay for it. So when when California and
New York, New Jersey, Illinois have to pay for these
wildly generous salaries and pensions for their public employees, when
they want to brag on their investments in in in
infrastructured education. It was real easy so long as everybody
was able to write it off, right, what do you care? Right?

(01:10:37):
And these taxes, that is write it off. But once
you can't write it off, then you gotta You're gonna see,
you know, what I say publicly and what I do privately.
It's kind of like these Hollywood people like I live
in Malibu, but your production companies in Sun Valley, Idaho.
You know, so that's where you're really paying taxes. You're
you're gonna The question is what are the blue state
voters going to do the next time they could elect

(01:11:00):
a new state government. I gotta get your opinion before
you get out of here. On and by the way,
I should point out Andrew just did a three hour
radio show that right here, and I'm going over to
what your TV show in a bit? Did I did
I miss my window to do? Oh boy? Um, I'm
supposed to be over at at at uh at um
CRTV right now on their Facebook feed. Damn. All right,

(01:11:22):
well let's wrap this up, all right, um, but it's funny.
Mike Bins has often said, like you could wake Andrew
out of a deep sleep like Andrew do a radio
show right now and you'd be able to which I
really believe. I was just gonna ask real quick, then
what's your take on Oprah running for president? I'm sure
you've an interesting all right. Look, they're getting very really
mad at me. Where are you? What are you close?
What are you doing? You're supposed to be on Facebook

(01:11:43):
now or I see your live on Suffering though, Eric,
I'm coming right over. It's a half block away. Tell
them you are. I am live on UM. The thing
with Oprah, I think my only question would be Donald
Trump came into an established field of Republican to it
all lined up their ducks and he had a he
had a bullet strike. Is she willing to walk in

(01:12:05):
and do that and bullish strike and knock Elizabeth Warren
out of the way, not Corey Booker out of the way,
not Kamala Harris out of the way, because and are
they gonna let her do it? Are they going to
have to come back around? It's like you have no experience,
you have no idea what you're doing. It would I
I think, just like it's set off a war in
Republican circles, it would set up a war in Democrats circles.

(01:12:26):
I'm not gonna all right, I'll let you go and
I'll and I'll plug everything by the way, Thanks man, dude,
thanks for doing this as always, Andrew appreciate it. And
I will plug everything and Andrew up to. So check
out crtv dot com if you want to become a subscriber.
If you again, when you have some more time, Andrew's
Uh Andrew Show is gonna debut this month, So it's

(01:12:48):
crtv dot com. Andrew's website is willcow Majority dot com
at willcow Majority on Twitter. That's really funny that we
totally un into his time there. But I enjoyed the
man really Andrews, you know, the most high energy guy
in the world. He just did a three hour show,
ran over here, did this now going over to He's

(01:13:09):
got the right person. You know. I feel like I'm
too boring for for radio and uh in television. Also,
I never thought I'd be on TV for that reason,
Like who wants to sit there and watch Jack Murphy
like read a book for three hours or something like.
You know, it was very high energy in your community
that I'd say, I think you already know him to
say Terry Shophard, Oh, Terry great, yea, yeah, he's always

(01:13:30):
extremely high energy. Um So I guess before we get
to the why the just reads here and wrap everything up.
I got plugs, yeah, do it? Go for it tonight? Uh,
episode three of the Tesla show airs where we went
to Serbia, and that'll be pretty interesting and um right
now it should be published already. UM. I wrote an

(01:13:51):
article about this movie twelve Strong that's coming out where
Thor plays a Special Forces captain. UM. I wrote an
article about I haven't seen the movie. I talked to
people who have some awareness of it, and uh, some
of this stuff that was going on in the set
and anyway. So it's like kind of a background or
about the film, and it's I'm kind of notorious for
writing like negative film reviews and trash and movies. I'm

(01:14:14):
not I'm not trashing the movie. I'm just saying, understand
what it is and what it isn't when you go
and see it. And if you read that article, I'll
give you a little bit of a background on it. Said, Um,
you said that, so that's this movie, right, Uh, yes,
which we are going to try to get. Doug Stanton
actually reached out. So really it'll be interesting, Uh, I'll

(01:14:36):
try It'll be interesting because the civil the guys tell
me that the book is in the movie are both
pretty inaccurate. Their experience was interesting, but we didn't have
that conversation of course. Yeah. Um, so we covered this earlier,
but a trillion thoughts asks and I think this is inaccurate.
Sol correct it, but says what made you guys bring
down the paywall for soft rep TV. The paywall is

(01:14:57):
not down for softwarep TV correct, just down for for
software soft rep dot com. And as for what made it,
I think we covered some of that. I don't know
if there's anything we Yeah, I mean I don't. I'm
an editor and I deal with the content, so I
don't know. I can't like walk you through the numbers
and everything of like why, But I think it's just
about getting more more page views, getting very well. So yeah,

(01:15:18):
so we're not relying just on soft reap anymore. We
have all these other endeavors. There's a whole constellation UM
underneath Hurricane, and soft Rep is one of them. So
we're not totally relying on soft Rep subscriptions for UM
for revenue. So we're able to kind of open up
that door and share our material with a much larger audience.
Now I see that Andrew's producer wrote, Yes, this is

(01:15:40):
Andrew's producer. He's totally late. That's funny. Um. Yeah, no,
that's great to see. So we have a shot show
coming up next week, a bunch of us next week
already hotly sh it, we're a week away, buddy treating
up on me. Um. I'm trying to think if there's
anything else that we haven't covered. Um. I think we
we got into a lot here. So that's yeah, that's

(01:16:02):
about it, man. Yeah, we have some great people coming
on soon. Daniel Bezier will be back in studio. Who
um is now full time at there's full time at
the side or part time right, she's full time with us, Yeah,
full time at the site as a writer. And people
really enjoyed her um last time she was on an
enteral loving her articles. So yeah, I know it's super
cool that she's on board now writing for us, and

(01:16:24):
I'm sure it'll be a fun conversation. I dig it man,
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I'm psyched, man, So I think this was cool. This
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news and all that, but Andrew is just not only
a friend to the site, but like the guy who
introduced me to everybody. I'm glad we could have Andrew on.
Instead of us being a guest on his show, you
can be a guest on ours. Yeah, well technically I've
I've never you know, I'm the guy who answered and

(01:18:32):
Brandon just one day texted me. And while I was
part time there, I became full time around the same
time that Brandon texted me and said, do you want
to do the podcast with us? And it was like absolutely,
why not. So it's been a blast doing it. I
mean it's been over four years at this point, so
it's really all thanks to Andrew Wilkew. Like, if you
want to look at Faeton all that, if I had

(01:18:55):
I have not met Andrew, wouldn't have met you guys.
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Oh yeah, soft reap dot com. There there's some zingers
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(01:19:38):
as like journalism is on there um and many many
other great writers that we've had working for us. Um.
So it's exciting that all that stuff is shared with
a larger audience. Now. Yeah, I you know, I didn't
have time to get into it in the whole intro
with Andrew because I didn't want to, you know, waste
too much of his time. But the thing that I
always think of is that I think there's certain investigative

(01:19:58):
pieces you have written in particular that I could very
well see being like top of Drudge Report linking to
soft rep. But for the most part, these type of
websites don't want to link to a paid subscription service.
So I think it will really help us get page
views up and get our name out there to bigger outlets.
I'm sure it will. Um. You know, because we were

(01:20:20):
a subscriber service, UM, and we we had this very
interesting thing going on, and it was it was a
niche and um, in some way it was kind of
elitist because it's like you have to be a member
to read, which I personally liked because you could see
the pandemonium on the internet and on social media and
how it's like a free fer all. Um and the

(01:20:42):
comments section, Oh my god, the comments section will never
read the comments. And I mean, look, I'm I'll tell
you right here on Facebook Live, like I don't read
the comments often on our Facebook page response sometimes though,
but sometimes once in a while, but I very rarely
read them to begin with, because most people are just
having an emotional sort of you know, lashing out about

(01:21:05):
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like to soffer it because we had a subscriber service
and like the people who are there were people who
wanted to be there and they could disagree with what's written,
of course and have that conversation. But it wasn't um,
the sort of like free for all name calling childish
nonsense that we see on social media. But um, nonetheless,

(01:21:26):
I mean we it's still is that way, if you
want to leave, you have to be a member to
leave a comment on the site. So for the people
who do hang out on the website and enjoy those conversations, um,
it's not going to be that free for all that
they find on it. And there's other incentives to be
a member to, you know, like the team room party. Um,
hopefully we'll do another one of those next year. Yeah,
there's a lot of other functionality on the website. There's

(01:21:48):
people who like the chat functions and all that kind
of stuff. So yeah, very cool. And yeah, I think
of like an article, you know, like the dick by
sixth article de peaceably would have been picked up by
other news news agency. Here's here's some news on on
DP six Uh, CNN is producing an article on it.
Then they've been down far to interviewing people. Will you
at least get any credit for any probably notably, they're

(01:22:10):
probably gonna claim that they're breaking this story. I'm sure, Um,
but yeah, they're they're following on my heels, I guess.
I mean they were interested in I don't know how
they got a tip about this story to begin with,
but they were already attempting to work on this story
around the same time that I started working on the story, Okay,
because I was gonna say, I do you know and

(01:22:31):
you know this too. I even just see from who
follows us on Twitter and stuff. There's plenty of news
agencies and news news hosting stuff who follow stuff wrap,
who read all of our stuff watch, and there are
outlets um like CNN. Honestly, I mean, I don't know
what they're gonna do. And it's not a criticism of
the story they're working on about DP six and all that,

(01:22:53):
all that good stuff. Um, but CNN has in the
past hijacked my work. I mean there's one woman they
had working for them for a wile that would read
my stories and then she just rewrite them in her
own words and go upon there. It's like, man, really,
um who from the Hive? The Chive? Even foreign Policy? Um,
you know, I did a big story about how technology

(01:23:14):
was impacting espionage and I interviewed a bunch of CIA
people and one Massad uh former MASSAD officer, and um,
like to three weeks later, there's a story on Foreign
Policy about the same subject. Uh. They went and tried
to cut rolling Stone. They took they wanted to talk
to me about the Wayne Simmons story, and I refused

(01:23:35):
as because I don't talk to Rolling Stone as just
a matter of principle. And um, they like basically rewrote
my story and they even used the same pictures. It
was pretty incredible, all right. Well, thanks as always for
tuning in guys. Uh, Andrew entertaining as always. Um, you know,
and I know tomorrow he's off to Disney World of
all places. Guy's busy, man. Yeah, he is, like I.

(01:23:58):
I I'm single and don't have It's I don't know
that whole life, but I'm sure like you, having one kid,
there's a lot to manage. I can't imagine having three.
And immediately when I saw him, he was like, fall
it's not falling asleep, you know. So he just telling
me like a lot of stuff. He was out to. Um,
but thanks again to him for coming on. Um, leave
us a review and uh, I think we're out see

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