Francelle White, Author of 'The Paris Girl'

Francelle Bradford White first learned about her mother’s exploits in World War II when she was six years old and has been fascinated by her achievements ever since. She is a Director of the international art and antiques transport company Gander & White, and lives in England with her husband. As a fundraiser in her spare time, she has raised thousands of pounds for charitable causes, including Alzheimer’s, the disease from which her mother now suffers.

Movingly written by her own daughter, this captivating and intimate biography chronicles the astonishing courage Andrée Griotteray, a teenage girl in Nazi-occupied Paris who would become a hero of the French Resistance through her harrowing work as an underground intelligence courier. For readers of Three Ordinary Girls, A Woman of No Importance, Lis Parisiennes, The Girls Who Stepped Out of Line, and the many other untold stories of WWII’s “hidden figures.”

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And I also want to welcome, without any further ado,
Francelle White, who has written the book The Paris Girl,
and it is about her mother in the French Resistance,

(01:35):
and I would like to welcome her all the way
from London on our show this morning.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Welcome, good afternoon. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
You noticed with you, You're very welcome. I was so
excited to have you on. And you notice how I
said good morning and you said good afternoon. That's because
right now I'm filming this and it's eight am in
Utah and it's about what three pm instory.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Is three pm here? Yeah, yeah, I've already been to
the gym and I've done the cook and everything else.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
That's funny. And have you already had some tea today?

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Sorry?

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Have you had tea today?

Speaker 3 (02:06):
No, not tea yet. It's only three o'clock. We don't
have tea till four.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Oh four o'clock. Is tea time is about four o'clock?

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Oh, so I've got you until about tea time. Perfect now, now, Anne,
you know your publicist reached out and said, hey, Rad,
we'd love to have you know, francell on and talk
about a Paris Girl and the book Paris Girl, it
kind of it's very captivating when I start reading it

(02:34):
and I realize that it's your mom. Yes, it's my mother,
and that's like you're like the daughter of the French Resistance.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah, it's her story, it's her wartime story. She's an
amazing person. But this part of her life is which
I've written about, was between the ages of nineteen and
twenty four, which is when she was in the resistance
and probably through some of the most dangerous times of her.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Life, the actual Gestapo, you know, like she was living
through the Gestapo and like you know, nineteen thirty nine
and nineteen forty, you know, she was working at the
passport office, trying to well.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
That's the extraordinary think. She was working at police headquarters
when Moore was declared and the Germans marched into Paris.
And when they marched into Paris, they took over police
headquarters because obviously they became responsible for the police, and
she was she had to stay there. She was a
civil servant, and she wasn't allowed to sort of resign,

(03:35):
which she probably would have liked to have done, and
it worked her advantage. She stayed there for four years.
She had to work with the Nazis who were there,
and by working with them, she was able to fool
them around a bit, and she was able to become
a courier type type up an underground newspaper under their

(03:55):
eyes without them noticing what she was doing. It was
quite remarkable looking back on it.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
You know, she was just involved in all of the
chatter going on. Right She's in the office. She's like
in the police headquarters or police station of any facet
right where we didn't really have the internet, didn't have
you know, radio communications, but she's in there listening to it.
All that's right over here and so and so down

(04:21):
the street over there, and so she's able to like
just capture all this intel.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yes, yes, so well, I think her resistance work was
separate to what she was doing at police headquarters. She
was at police headquarters because she was responsible for issuing
passports and ID cards to the people of Paris or
the people who needed them.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
So yeah, yeah, and it's a very detailed job, as
you talk about in the book, where you know, there's
just like little things on the passports that they have
to always be you know, in all details, yes, all
the little details, because people are coming in and they're like,
how long are you staying here? Are you here for
two months? Three months? With your purpose?

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yes? Yes, yes, but I think that was her, That
was her cover because as the war progressed kind of
by nineteen forty, late nineteen forty, my uncle who was
her brother, started up and started up an underground newspaper
and they needed somebody who would type up that newspaper.

(05:29):
So they needed a kind of typewriter, and then they
needed paper, they needed ink, they needed roneo machines, ronio
machines with the machines that built today it's photo copying
machines to print out this this newspaper that they had
drawn up and that she typed up and then printed,
and having done all that, they took it out into

(05:52):
Paris and distributed, distributed.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
And it's like the students mainly at that time, right,
because here she is eighteen, nineteen twenty years old, right,
and her circle of influence is a younger generation of
her friends.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Right, Yes, that's right, that's right, and they see what's
going on. They see the infant station, infestation of like
fascism and communism coming in and.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah, well, they earmarked, they earmarked the students, They earmarked
the youngsters because they knew that they were young and
they were the ones that they were trying to entice
to join the resistance and join them. And also what
her group were doing as the war progressed, they were
trying to get young men who were mainly students, to
escape France, and so they would arrange for their travel

(06:41):
down to the Pyrenees in between France and Spain and
get them across the Pyrenees and then they'd make their
way to French and North Africa where they join up
with the French army. So this was another very big
part of the work that they were doing.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
And then she became a mom with you, you know,
I mean, let's think about all of this for a second,
like the whole spectrum here, she lives through all of this,
does all of what she does in your book, which
we could talk about it all the time. I want
my reader, I want my listener to go and get
your book, right, it's going to be out there.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
That's wonderful. It'd be great if they'd buy it.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, yes, yes, yes, buy the book and read about
her mom. But her mom then became her mom like
and had to deal with, you know, raising a family
and raising well, it's.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
Unusual what happened because she was French and at the
end of the war, when the Americans and the British
arrived in France, she started going out with the Gis
and the British officers, and along the way she met
my father who was British. So she married him and
then came to England and left France behind.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah, she's okay, time for a new life. And what
was your what is your dad? What was your dad's
what was he was?

Speaker 3 (07:54):
He was he was in the Royal Air Force at
the time. He was in the Royal Air Force. He
served for four years and Royal Air Force. He was
in the Middle East first and then he came back
to Europe and he was sent to France to arrange
for the RAF the logistics to leave France, not the aircraft,
but all the land land things that belong to trucks

(08:15):
and things to leave France. But that that's how they
met because of she because she'd been in the resistance.
She was on the French embassy I'm sorry, on the
British embassy list. And so when there was a party.
She was invited to go to it where my father
was also.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Right, and then also your mom was kind of hanging
out with social lights of the scene and you know
actors and playwrights, right, did I read about that?

Speaker 3 (08:42):
That was earlier on?

Speaker 2 (08:43):
That was that was that was earlier on. But I
mean she did have this just ability to.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
All. She had an amazing life. I mean, she was
living in central Paris. Her her half sister was one
of France's leading actresses at the time, her brother in
law was one of France's leading playwrights. So she had
access to an awful lot of what was going on
artistically in Paris at the time, apart from her resistance

(09:11):
work and her work at police headquarters. Yeah, so it's
quite an involved life. But she loved America. She loved
America because after my father died in nineteen sixty six,
she took over his business and she used to have
to go to New York on business and just loved
her time there.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
She's just all over. And so your father passed away
relatively young on her.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
He was sixty one, and he was in art logistics.
He had an art logistics company called Gandra and White,
and she took it over from one day to the next.
She was only forty five, and one of the first
things she had to do was go to the United
States to talk to her clients who were in America,
and she just loved it. And they were so kind
to her and helpful and kept her going.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
You know, and just to kind of like talk about
your book a little bit here, you know, I'll read
the press release out loud, and so if you'll bear
with me, the Paris Girl, the young woman who outwitted
the Nazis and became a World War two hero by
francell Bradford White. And you know, of course that's who
we're talking with, is France. All so let me read
this paragraphs here. In the dark days of World War Two,

(10:23):
as millions of people were suffering, a powerful resistance movement
was being established in France. Citizens were starving, German soldiers
patrolled the streets of Paris. French scigns were replaced by
their German equivalents, and the French flag was hidden away.
It was during this time as the Gestapo took control
of Paris. That is it andre gritature.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yes, yes, then.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
We would make a remarkable contribution to the war effort
with a dazzling combination of bravery, modesty, and energy. She
would go on to become one of the most highly
decorated women of World War Two. Her success in outwitting
and fighting the Nazis knew no boundaries. The Parish Girl,
written by Andre's daughter Franzel, which we have will be

(11:12):
based upon her mother's journals written in detail throughout World
War Two from nineteen thirty nine to nineteen forty five.
So not only is this a fascinating glimpse into life
during wartime through these vivid journal entries, but an examination
of the character of bravery by one of the most
decorated women women of World War Two for her role
in defeating the Nazis. So what makes a resistance fighter?

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How does one become a fearless patriot? Is it genetics, language,
presence of mind, access, being eccentric, having initiative? The book
uses Andrea as a look into characteristics of someone waging
a personal fight for the greater good with a combination
of wit, cunning, bravery, and courage. You know your mom

(12:01):
is awesome and I've learned to say that Mom's rock.
You know I'm a huge. I love my mom, and
you know, and I know you love your mom, and
this is your way of being able to put your
mom out there and immortalize more of her in a book.
From your first hand account of mom, you know, she'd
probably talked to you, she'd probably sing to you. She'd

(12:22):
probably say little things to you that now that you're older,
you pick up on.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Well, that's quite interesting what you're saying. Because I grew
up with the French Resistance, I mean right from being
a very small child, and she would tell me anecdotes
and stories, but I never really understood the bigger picture
of what she was doing. And it was when she
developed dementia and I decided that I was going to
write her wartime story because I thought I would write

(12:47):
this book and I would make it. I would use
it to raise money for dementia research and support Lovely.
So that's what happened. And when I started to write
the book, obviously I had the anecdotes, I had the journals,
the diaries, I had several books which had been written
about the war and the group by my uncle and
his friends. But I still didn't understand the bigger picture.

(13:08):
So I had to research it. I went to Paris,
I went into the archives of police headquarters. I went
into the archives of the Ministry of Defense, which explained
exactly why she was so highly decorated. I went down
to the Pyrenees to the Chateau d'urion, which was their
center where they used to go to and take the
intelligence too, from where it was taken over the mountains

(13:31):
to the British and the American consulates in Spain in Santandero, Bilbao.
So it was quite a journey writing this story because,
as I say, I had all these little stories which
kind of I couldn't write a book with just a
lot of hearsay stories. I needed the constructive back up

(13:51):
to it. I mean, for example, she told me that
she'd slept in a brothel one night, and she told
me about that because she was annoyed at that where
I slept when on a trip and I slept somewhere
where I was worried about, you know, mosquitoes and malaric
airing mosquitoes, and so she suddenly told me about having

(14:12):
to sleep in a brothel. But I didn't understand why
she'd had to sleep in the brothel during the war.
I thought she slept in the brothel because the train
got delayed. But it was much more than that. She
was traveling from Paris down to the south of France,
down to the Pyrenees, and you know that the train
got delayed and she had nowhere to go, so she went,
as she told me, she went to the local police

(14:33):
station and they said to her, well, all the hotels
are full, but we do have a safe house, which
is a brothel, and you could go and stay there.
And because she had a police headquarters, I d and
in France you always have id on you. You still did
this day. She was able to say who she was,
and she was looked after.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Right and probably caringly too, Like you know, I understand
the word brothels sound scary, but you know it's it's
full of ladies inside the place that are going to
be like, hi.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
We couldn't tell me everything because I remember when she
tells us the story I was telling about twenty one,
but I remembered it.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, yeah, right, you're just you were a young woman
right there at twenty one listening to mom and you're
like mosquitos and she's like back in my day, let
me tell you, right, Yeah, now. Now, the other crazy
thing is like, let's put ourselves in the mindset of
a nineteen year old girl who's working in the police
department as a passport reception and meeting all these people,

(15:34):
and now she's going down towards the Pyrenees where they
are obviously knowing that this is probably a crossing, right,
people are trying to escape. So I'm sure the Gestapo
has like set like a net of like, you know,
the train's coming through. It's like, why are you going
to the Pyrenees? Right? So your mom?

Speaker 3 (15:52):
They didn't they didn't. I mean, they couldn't be on
top of what everybody was doing obviously and a scar
where as she was concerned, They thought she was just
somebody working at police headquarters. Because she was working at
police headquarters, she had the advantage of being able to
obtain Auschwitz Aspitz were permits to allow you to travel

(16:13):
around France, which unless you had a very good reason,
you couldn't get them. But because she was working at
police headquarters and she knew that the Germans and the Nazis,
she'd say, I want to go and see my aunt
in the Pyrenees. She's not well or whatever, and she'd said,
can I have a permit and they'd say, yes, you can,
here you go. So that was unusual. So her position
the police headquarters really helped her traveling around.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
That's what I was wondering, right, because if you're just
trying to wander around like head that way on a train,
there would probably be nets, you know, like certain checkpoints
like but she was already working, and so they were
just like, oh, she has a pass, she's good to go. Yeah,
and she I love that. I love that.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Yeah. Yeah. But one of the lovely stories that I
love again, it was an anecdote and it's never been
written about anywhere. So it's what she told me is
that as time moved on, the group were working for
the OSS, which is today's CIA, And my uncle was
parachuted blind into occupied France by an American an American

(17:19):
Air Force aeroplane, and he was parachuted with a suitcase
full of dollar notes this is into the Pyrenees in
an area called Orion, and also with a kind of
bagful which he had in his pocket of gold coins
which was to be used for their what one would
call wartime chest, so that they could bribe people, they

(17:39):
could pay for their expenses. Anyway, she got all this money,
which her job was to take it back to Paris.
So my uncle was parachuted blind into occupied France. The
money had to be got back to Paris, and the
gold coins had to be sewn into a girdle, so
that issue was searched, nobody would find them. So if

(18:01):
she had them in her handbag and someone searched a
handbag or the dollar notes, they would have thought, well,
what are you doing. So she wrapped all this around her. Now,
this story was something she told me. It hasn't been
written about in any books. It's just an anecdote which
happens to be true because she joked about the fact
that with one of the gold coins which she tried

(18:22):
to get into a gird or, she couldn't get into it.
She couldn't get gold coined into it. And so my
uncle said to her, well, why don't you go and
buy those shoes you so wanted, And so she went
and bought the shoes, and we still have the shoes
that she bought during the Second World War, courtesy of
the OSS.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
I love that. I love that.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
Okay, there's some of the anecdotes, yeah, which did you
ever wear them?

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Did you ever get them?

Speaker 1 (18:50):
No?

Speaker 3 (18:50):
I don't wear them.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Have you ever though? Were you ever a size to
fit in your mom's shoes? No?

Speaker 3 (18:55):
I did not know, right, No.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
No, I know why.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
I just haven't. I've worn the jewelry, but I haven't.
Not those jees that's.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Tried on the ruby slippers. No, no, you haven't tried that. No.
I just went and saw that last night with my family. Wicked,
and that was a really great uh you know, Wizard
of Oz and I'm just thinking, oh, well, special shoes.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Yeah, I think they sold for a lot of money,
didn't they. Julie Garland's shoes so much. Shoes they sold
recently for I think millions millions.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah, those ruby shoes, those ruby shoes, and what a
great show. I do suggest going to see Wicked if
you haven't seen the movie. It was really entertaining. Yeah. Yes,
as well as buying your book, The Paris Girl. Okay,
let's put it out there to my listener. You know
it's going to be it's going to be out and
you can probably get it at any popular place, and

(19:53):
especially local bookstores. If somebody local in your area is
supplying the books. Try to buy it from a local bookseller.
That would be the first place I would recommend.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Am I about to say, who mean bands and Noble?
I know have it and it's on Amazon. I don't
know your shots very well. Walmart. I think it's at Walmart.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Oh yeah, yeah, you're probably all. Have you made it
to the airport yet? Are you at the airport?

Speaker 3 (20:17):
It would be great if it was at the airport,
that would be wonderful.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
I don't know a Heathrow or something where they're going through,
you know, great A lady in Red Virgin read walking
by grabbing your book, you'll be able to maybe you'll
be able to go in. So I talk to authors
all the time, right, and so uh, maybe you'll be
able to go in and just sign a couple of copies.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
That would be wonderful. I love I love meeting people
who buy the book because those who buy the book
are so interesting, and they come and tell me all
sorts of extraordinary stories, their wartime stories, and lots of
them tend to be older, but they still tell me
all sorts of stories about their parents and their grandparents.
Be they American, be they British, be they French, the

(20:58):
French tend to be more reserved, but the Americans in
the British are very open about things.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Oh I bet, I bet right? Wow. So do you
speak French as well?

Speaker 3 (21:08):
I do speak French.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, I need to learn that.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
I need to learn because my mother was French.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
So yeah, exactly, Yeah, I love that. Well, my ancestry
is French. I'm very yes, very much European right here, Yeah,
very much. Yeah, I think I'm related to Louis the fourteenth.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Oh, that's good. That goes back a long way. Well,
he did amazing things. He built beasaill Is, you know, right.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Right, right right, yeah right. And it was as I'm
reading through your book, I'm like, wait a second here,
I'm like, why do I feel so French? Well?

Speaker 3 (21:42):
The book, the book takes you through Paris an awful lot.
It takes you to all the main places in Paris.
It takes you past the lourever, it takes you to
police headquarters, it takes you to Notre Dame, which you
know your future president or your incoming president has just
been to. It takes you along the river, it takes

(22:02):
you down to the Pyrenees. It's very much a journey
through France. Through a resistance fighter in the eyes of
the resistance fighter.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
And as I read it, as I was reading your book,
it feels like it just kind of came to life
in my head. And I'm just thinking about that as
you're talking even more because you know, when I said,
I feel like I'm kind of French more French. It's
pulling something out of me as I'm reading it, almost
like I'm able to see your mom walking down the
street or like look over her shoulder, or you know,

(22:33):
just whatever the like in the passport office, you know,
maybe walking with a clipboard because there was no technology
of like cell phones, you know, there was nothing or
the typing, you know, like my father in law, my
father in law was a typewriter guy in the sixties,
and so when he went to Vietnam, it was very
coveted that he is a US Marine got a typewriter,

(23:00):
like here's your gun, here's your bayonet, and typewriter, and
he had to take that everywhere. Fact in fact, my
dad called him a Remington Raider because he knew Remington Raider. Okay, okay,
because the typewriter was called Remington, and so he'sator, you know,

(23:20):
And so your mom had a skill set to type. Yes, yes,
I mean that wasn't normal back then.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
I suppose so, because you know, by the time I
was her age, the whole system had changed. I mean,
we were into computers, we were into completely different.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Changing ribbons on the machine and just pulling the letter
backs because it's so we're doing it.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Yeah, they have these things in museums. We don't have
them anymore.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
I still have my dad's typewriter, yes, yes, oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
But one of the things that people have enjoyed about
my book is is the fact they say that the journals,
which is she was writing about some of the things
she did, and a lot of people have told me
it's the journals that bring the story to life. You
get a lot of historical novels, or you get a
lot of history written by historians, but it's the diaries

(24:12):
that really bring it to life. The fact that she says,
I can't tell you how much I hate the Germans.
I wish they oway, you know, and different things like that.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
There's inserts like that, well she talks to her journal,
Well we made it this far journal, we made it
into the police station, or we made it here journal,
you know, like well, you know, she's like today, I
think there's a quote in there that says war was declared. Yes.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
She describes how she describes on the I think it
was the fourteenth of June nineteen forty the Germans walked
down the Chancelicia and marched into police headquarters. And she
talks about her diary entry that day is she said,
I've been so brave until now, and then I completely
fell apart and I cried for ten minutes. I cried
solidly because it was so awful for them.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yeah, yeah, and what just and then there was a
couple of days where there's like maybe there was injuries,
but you just didn't put them in the book. Right.
It was like there's like a three day period where
there was no jury of I think it was like
the eleventh or the fourteenth of a certain time frame,
and I was like, oh, what do w I should?
So I'm captivated by her daily life. I'm like, wait, wait, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa,

(25:20):
where's the days that these other days there's like, you know,
you feel what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
Like yeah, yeah, But she would she would say that
a lot of living was very normal. You know, life
was normal. You might have had the Nazis and they
were awful and the situation was horrible, but life was normal.
You just had to carry on in a normal way
and you went about your business. You went to work
by bicycle, or you went on the metro, or you
went on the bus, and life carried on and the

(25:50):
country was occupied and went from time to time you just,
I suppose burst out crying and think, how is it
ever going to finish?

Speaker 2 (25:59):
You know, there's so much of like how history seems
to repeat itself in this world, and how you're saying
we have to still live life and keep moving forward
and not just let it drag us down. Even though
the situation may seem dire, we still have to keep
internally upbeat about it. And you know, yeh boy, you know,

(26:20):
because we don't need history to keep repeating itself.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
No, and it does, sadly with what's going on in
Europe at the moment with Ukraine, it's really history repeating itself.
It's horrendous.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
And here in the US with our with our politicians
just not seeing any agreement like you know we got,
they're just completely split. It's like, you know, stop it
sound Yeah, And England's definitely, like, hey, we back everything
going on with Ukraine. We're here for support for you,

(26:52):
and I also support them as well. So I don't
want it to come to your shores. I don't want
it to come to our shores because it's just going
to be that's just a crate. It's late. London's already
had enough.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
Yeah, I went.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
I went down to Southampton with a friend of mine
and my wife a few years back, and we were
looking at the Isle of Wight and you see kind
of like the coastline of France. Yes, And then they
were telling me the story about how back in the
World War two time frame, the LUFWAFFA, the Air Force
would fly over to do bombing raids and just indiscriminately

(27:30):
bomb right, just drop bombs on lights or whatever they
think they want cities. And when the when they would
fly back over Southampton, they would try to drop bombs
on those lights, but they were ships. There were fake
lights out in the water. They made a fake city.
So I think, how many bombs are just all over
that place? You know, like just from all these previous conflicts.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
You know, it's horrendous, horrendous what people do to people. Yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
What a beautiful country.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Though.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
I love England. I tell you what, you know. I
got to travel over there with my wife and go
down the tray and see my friends and go eat
it the Mad Hatter, Holy cow, it was so good.
A lot more.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Please do. Like London, I kind of like the States.
I love you. I love New York. It's so lime.
I know you're a new jah, but I love I
love it.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah, oh yeah, you know. And and staying up oh yeah,
you know, staying in East London and walking around at
three am trying to find fish and chips. You know.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
Yeah, I put.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Vinegar on my fish and chips. And somebody would like,
you put vinegar on your fish and chips. I'm like,
that's what they do.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
That's what they do. It's pretty horride I do, but.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
I yes, And they're big pieces to east Side, and
I like west Side. I walked all over Hyde Park when,
all over the place. But you know, I just think
about all of the conflict that's happened through the ages
in England.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Well, it's it's interesting you're saying that because I refer
to it in my book. But my mother, before the
war was sent to England to learn English, and she
spent a year in England and she at the time
she came through Southampton and then by train came up
to Victoria And one of the things she said that
when she came back to England in nineteen forty five,

(29:20):
she was devastated by what she saw in central London
around Victoria Station because she'd left and it was a
normal built up area. She came back in nineteen forty
five and everything was destroyed and that must have had
a huge impact on her. And I mean obviously on everybody,
but somebody who'd been away from it and then comes

(29:40):
and sees it absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Right now, let's talk about current events. I have friends
that had meet business meetings in Kiev like three and
a half years ago. For some reason, I just didn't
make the meeting, right I wasn't like on the invite
to fly out and have this nice Kiev you know,
swore a for four days that everybody else went to
a little jealous. But now today my friends like rabbits,
you can, Ukraine's getting hit. You know, things that we

(30:08):
saw that we went and traveled and saw are devastated.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Right now, Yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
I'm not I'm not able to fathom that because here
I am sitting at my home with my fireplace on,
and I'm not having any super missile blow up something
randomly next door.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Yeah yeah, yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
And and for your your your sweet mom who's hardcore, okay,
for being of social life and being undercover and such
a young age, you know, for her to go back
and see it devastated, I'm sure there's a lot of
PTSD post traumatic stress that ill.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, I think everybody with everybody went
through an awful lot.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Such a violent situation, Yeah, such a war. I mean
it was such a war, like of a war, right,
there was more trench fighting and just like brutality and.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
You know, it's it's unreal what people do to people.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yeah, over what? Over what?

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Well that the Germans the Nazis wanting to take Europe
and the Russians wanting to be part of it.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah, that worked out real well, didn't it for Germany? Huh?
That really worked out well. They moved right into Russia
and surrounded themselves.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
Yeah. Once they went into Russia, the Russians weren't going
to have it, and they stopped it. It was very
nasty when you think that fifty five million people died
during the Second World War.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah, it's awful. It's awful, you know, and your mom
had friends that were that were Jewish, you know, that
were being hidden. There's families hiding them and gestopo everywhere.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
The Jewish situation was horrendous. You know, there's nothing and
it must never be forgotten. And I think that, you know,
the younger people people don't really take on board what
it was about. I mean, obviously I knew Jewish people
who'd lost I have Jewish friends who lost their parents
and their grandparents, and now it's all kind of disappearing.
That generation is completely gone and you don't really hear

(32:14):
about it first and and we mustn't ever ever forget
just trrendous and what happened in France to the Jewish people,
what happened in Germany, what happened everywhere in Europe?

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yeah, around like they all just got tagged, you're it
and then all of a sudden, it's like wait, like
the one there's a photo that really resonates about what happened,
and there's so many photos, but it's a box of
like wedding rings, right, and it's just like they would
take them off of them before they would have before
they would execute them. They would take their wedding rings

(32:47):
off of them, all the Jewish and put them in
a box. And the piles of shoes like those right
there are so saddening in the distance. But what the
hell why even I mean, I'm so sorry to say
that like that. It's like, you know, it's like unneeded.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, surrendous.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Because somebody was just like you know, I don't know,
like freaking out in his room saying I got to
do this with my country and my army, and I'm
freaking out. I gotta go wipe another people off the earth.
It's like, bro, calm down, man glove across his face.
I'm talking about Hitler. I'm saying, like that guy was
nuts to go. He was nuts. He was on all

(33:33):
sorts of amphetamines.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
I didn't think it was I don't think it was nuts.
I think it was evil. It was evil. And the
group of them, the group of them you know who
were with him, they were evil as well. They were nuts.
They were evil. They knew what they were doing.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
They were like power drunk. They were drunk on all
of this power and no one wanted to tell him
he was wrong because they were eating off the same
plate exactly.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
You're absolutely right.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, but they knew it was wrong, did they? It
was wrong?

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Oh, of course it was wrong. But how did they
see it? That's they knew they what they were doing
was what they wanted to do.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
I don't know. I don't think that like a Jewish
seven year old has any threat, No, of course not.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
I mean, yeah, absolutely horrendous.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Or some guy with a gun and a leather jacket.
What's the threat from that seven year old or that
twenty two year old or yeah, really you know who's
the one walking around with the guns?

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Yeah? Yeah, it's it's the most horrendous part of history.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Well, and that's why your mom was so like, I'm
this is not okay.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Well it wasn't it okay for anyone?

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah, but I mean like not everyone was. Well, I mean,
I guess the French resistance is, you know, try to
like blend in and then disrupt from within, you know,
so that no one kind of picks up on it,
And that's the resistance right there, right, it's like just
resist the situation. But you know, I'm sure that there
was some scary looking leather wearing whip hold and dude

(35:09):
that walked in front of your mom and he was like,
where are your papers? That's something I mean.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
One of the things in her daries she refers to
a very close friend of hers who was only twenty
two and he just disappeared from one day to the next.
You know, he decided he ought to get into the
free zone. France was divided into the occupied zone and
the freezer and the free zone. You tended to be
able to do a bit more what you wanted to do.

(35:40):
You didn't have the naxies quite on top of you.
And he escaped to the free zone, but he still
completely disappeared. This was a twenty three year old, one
of her closest friends, and that was just one person
of the people she knew. And I think that would
have left an awful legacy with with her and with

(36:00):
anybody who lived through it, those people who knew Jewish
people who had friends who just disappeared. And she would
talk about that, and I didn't know very much about
it because she didn't really talk about it. And I
remember one day, I must have been in my late twenties,
asking her about the Jewish situation, and she just looked
at me and just went into a kind of trance

(36:23):
because it was something she just didn't want to be
reminded of or talk about because it was just so horrendous.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yeah, it is. And I did read that in the
book where her friend who went to the Freedom.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Yeah, and from the friends of my friends of my
grandparents as well. I mean, my grandmother was a very
sociable person. She loved people. But you know, when I
knew how she didn't have that many friends, and I
think it was partly because a lot of them who
were Jewish, and a lot of them just disappeared. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Yeah, I mean it's just like it's awful. You know,
like you know your best friend or someone that is
a really close friend and he's like, I'm going to
try to make escape, and you don't ever hear from
him again. You would think that they would try to
reach out to a homie, like a good friend, you know,
like you know, hey, Franzelle, I made it. I'll reach
out to you some other way later, you know, just

(37:18):
just to be gone, you know. And so here here
you are as a legacy of your mother, you know,
powerful female with a pen and you know, able to
write your book and put it out there for us
to have to read. Really just in the archives of

(37:38):
the world's books. Now.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Well, I hope, I hope the readers enjoy the book.
I mean, I've had I've had a lot of feedback
on it, and it's it's very interesting how people look
at it. The historical bit in it was very difficult
to write about. Some of it was very difficult to
understand the landings in French North Africa, for example. The research,

(38:04):
I mean, just just what my family was doing was
was difficult to comprehend and how they lived compared to
the way we live with freedom. We are free, and
I don't think we value our freedom enough. No, you
lose it, but you really understand what you have.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
It's true. Over here in the US people are like, oh,
you know, they're coming after our freedoms and this, that
and the other thing. There's a lot of like, oh,
we got to protect I'm like, look, if this is
me being like oppressed as freedom, I guess I'm okay
with it, all right. If this is if I'm oppressed
somehow or in some stimulation and I don't know it,

(38:42):
you know, okay, cool? I love my family, I have
a fireplace. I'm fortunate and I'm blessed. You know, podcast,
I can say what I want. I mean, stay with you, right,
And that's all I think anybody really wants, whether they're
they didn't.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Realize how we are to be in a democracy.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Correct, right where your voice and my voice are equal.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Yeah, that had you can say what you want to say.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
That's right. There's places where they're still oppressing women, even
over here in the US, trying to like get involved with,
you know, their rights. I tell people all the time, man,
I can't make a human inside of me. I come
from a woman. Hello, birthday should be the birth from

(39:30):
the mom's day, but somehow I get spoiled with the
presence for being born. Yeah, I'm like, I hope you
see what I'm saying here.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
You know, it's interesting what It's interesting what you're saying
because it made me think about this young Jewish man,
a very close friend who she lost. And I think
it's written in the book. She says that every every
year on his birthday, he used to give flowers to
his mother to thank her for giving him.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
That's right, you know, I read that and I I
resonate with that, okay, because I'm of the same thought
process that mom. Where do I start, you know, how
do I tell you I love you? You know?

Speaker 3 (40:12):
That's very nice?

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Yes, you know? And so and I hope that others
that listen to this will at least take some of
this back and go and if your mom is still around,
go give her a call, you know, and say I
love you.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
It's a lovely thing to say. It's a very lovely thing. Yes,
they appreciate just enough.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
There's just three words we want to hear in public
from our kids, and that's I love you. Ahead and
be embarrassed, go ahead and blush about it. Go ahead
and say it. Say it to me in public. Maybe
I'll buy you what you want. My son loves me,
go ahead and give him the new car he loves
and he loves me. That's that's as a father, that's
what I'm after, right, And.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
I got daughters, and I.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Want my daughters to see this interview and be like, hey,
we can be her. We can write a book, you know.
We can watch our dad go to audition for Broadway
and maybe get rejected, but at least he's trying.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Yeah, yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Know, we have to be the role models for our kids.
Looking at you being so brave and so awesome for
your son, right who we got to meet, who helped
you get on this put together? Right, they're very.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Long suffering children.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
I think, wait till he gets your diary and writes
your book. The year was nineteen sixty nine and it
was the summer of love. Mom. I had to stop
reading your diary. What's going on? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Oh
my goodness, oh my. Now, now I have to ask you,

(41:45):
with it being such a vivid book and you know,
come into life off the pages when you're reading it,
has anybody approached you about like turning this into some
type of like a theatrical or a you know, or
a movie or a TV.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Yeah, yeah, there is, which my publishers in America, Kensington Books,
have kindly organized. And yes, of course I'd love it
to become a film because if it turned into a film,
I'd make serious money for adventure research. So that would
be very very good. Yes, And it has the makings
of a film. It's an amazing story. It is an

(42:19):
interesting story. It's a different story. It's a different story
to typical resistance fighters story because she was working at
police headquarters, and that's a difference. I think that was
a big difference to most resistance fighters. And also the
fact that they were trying to get youngsters out of
France to join the army, which I don't think a

(42:40):
lot of the resistance groups were doing. That was not
part of their agenda. They got one thousand young men
out of France through the Pyrenees who went through Spain
and made their way to French. Tangerian joined up the army.
And this is when my uncle was recruited out of
the French Army into the OSS because the OSS wanted

(43:02):
youngsters who would work for them as intelligence gatherers in France.
So that is when he was recruited by the OSS.
And then he was dropped blind into occupying France with
these dollar notes with him and the gold coins to
carry on his wartime effort.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Just him, just his story alone of all right, you're
the chosen guy, you're the uncle. We could meet your
mom in the movie, but his own getting the gold
to her is its own.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's well, it was. There were
several of them in the group. I mean it was
a group of there were fifteen of them who were
recognized by the Goal at the end of the war
as having been in the resistance, and he integrated them
at the end of the war into the French army.
And the reason he integrated them into the French army

(44:00):
so that they could be given back pay for having
been in the armed forces. I mean, it's the most
extraordinary thing. I gave a talk in London and there
was a general in the audience who was just in
fits of laughter. How do you give people back pay
and pull them into the army But it's after they joined.
It's a lovely story, but yeah, it is. I mean,

(44:22):
I reread the book today again because I knew I
was talking to and it does cover very many aspects.
It covers the relationship of my uncle and my mother
with the overseas Strategic Services, which is very interesting to
the Americans because the Americans didn't have many agents in
France because France was supposedly intelligence wise the territory of

(44:46):
the British intelligence services, so that was an unusual situation.
And my uncle, who was called al Angriatry, was the
first foreign journalists working for the figure Row to be
interviewed or who was a to interview President Reagan when
he became president. And I can't remember the name of
the chap who was in charge of the chap who

(45:07):
was in charge of the CIA at the time. It
was a chap called William Casey, and he organized the meeting.
So it was all wow things.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Yeah, yeah, and there's so much and I would love
to see this come to the screen, you know, the
big sh yes. And if you're listening and you happen
to have the means to get this done, you should
check out this book and and give it a read. Yes, yes,
and then and reach out and get Yes.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
It does make it's a good story because there are
so many aspects to it.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
It could be a series. It could be like a series.
You know, you could have like you know, you could
binge sixteen episodes.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Yes, yes, it could work that way as well.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Oh yeah, because I just want to see I just
want to see your mom, like you know, kind of
being your mom in the passport and like I can
see it already, like someone who like all if there's
if there's a a film company in Hollywood that wants
to recreate all of the gear of the police officers
and had that on them and all of the set

(46:09):
dressing and like that whole period. Man, what a show
to be a part of that would be. And you
have to be in it. You have to have a camera,
you have to even like a regular like oh yes,
uh huh, yes, you need to send this letter over
to the Gestapo.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
Yeah. Well, the military people in the military in this
country who've read the book, like, is that the chapter
about when my mother was arrested by the vermart and
subsequently interrogated by the Gestapo. And they loved that because
they loved the soft while the way she handled the

(46:45):
people interviewing her or people questioning her, and she just
didn't put up with any nonsense. She wasn't going to
be intimidated by them. She was a strong personality, she
was young, and she just treated them with content and
she got away with it. And she basically told the
Gestapo chat who had been sent to interview her, but
he didn't know how I was to do his stop
that he wasn't doing his job properly. And the reason

(47:08):
and she's as an explanation, she said, if you were
doing your job properly, you would phone my senior offices
at police headquarters and you would find out what I
did at police headquarters and how I'm not involved in
any form of resistance. And that's a very good chapter.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
You know, you yourself have kind of followed along with metals
in like your mother, right, talk about how your mother
had medals on and they're like checking out her medals. Okay, okay,
I put my hands in air quotes if you're listening
to this. Her mom would wear her medals, and I

(47:54):
think someone would get jealous about the medals because they
were like in the area of her bosom buzza Maria,
her cleavage and she knew what she was wearing a
low cut dress and she'd have her medals.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
They went to a ball, and I don't know how
it works in the United States, but in the UK,
if you go to official evenings, you're allowed to wear
your medals. And obviously at the time, not many women
had medals of that nature. And she was at an RAF.
She was at an RAF ball with my father and
somebody in the RAF. An RAF officer saw this medal,

(48:27):
which is the quadiger and was a bit surprised that
she had it, and I think he was half looking
at the medal, half looking.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
At her yes, exactly right.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Good story. But that's how I first learned about the
whole whole episode of what she'd done.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
And then you received an honor as well. Would you
want to explain what that is from? Was it from?

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Yeah? It was very nice. I was given what's called
a British Empire Medal. I don't know how you compare
it in America, but it was given to me by
the Queen and it was given to me for services
to charity. So I've done a lot of fundraising in
my life. I did a lot for cop death babies
who died within the first three or four months of birth.

(49:08):
I did a lot of fundraising for that. And then
I've done a lot of police work. I've done a
lot of political work, and more recently this raising money
for dementia research and support. And so I don't know
how works in the United States, but in the UK,
somebody puts you forward, they write reports on you, and
it goes to the Prime minister. Prime Minister at the

(49:31):
time agreed to give me the award, and therefore he
puts it forward to the Queen, who then signs it
off and gives you the medal. The last queen, sorry,
Queen Elizabeth.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Yes, yes, and I was at her jubilee, so it
was a very yes yeah, good time, right, yes, yes,
love that and we love Duran also. Okay, so I'll
let you know. Okay, very very much. Western boys and
wess Western girls, the Eastern boys. No, very much.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
But it's very interesting. It's very interesting you you asking
me about about the medal, because I don't know if
it's because we're kind of more reserved in England. But
people don't really often ask me about it. They know
about it, but they don't really ask why I got it.
And yet when I was in the United States on
business last when was it in April? I was at

(50:24):
San Francisco, one of our clients had looked me up
and said, what was all that about? How did you
get it? But nobody would normally do that. In England.
It's unusual. They don't ask about it. I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
Well, maybe you should just wear it, you know, so
you're not.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Meant to you're only a laugh. There a strict conditions.
The queen has these conditions. Yeah, you're only meant to
wear medals. It must be the same in the United States.
You can only wear medals at certain functions, so they
have to be official functions, so I wouldn't wear it
in the street.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
In the US. So when I went over to England
a few times, and I would see all my sas
friends and all these other blokes, if you will, in
their suits all proper, and they'd have like a big
rack of their ribbons. But they've been retired. Over here,
we don't really have that. They don't the former military.
They don't really wear anything to social events like that.

(51:17):
For example, I just did a social event for a
huge military charity and everybody was just kind of like
in Texas, but nobody had like except for the guy
that won the Medal of Honor. He was wearing that
on stage to kind of signify he had earned that,
right yeah or yeah, And I was awarded. But when
I went over there, I thought it was so cool
that if you wore them on one side, it means

(51:40):
you earned them, right, yeah, exactly, but you could represent
like your husband on the other side. Yes, with the medals.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
It's quite interesting you saying that, because I got all
my parents' medals, which I think I can wear on
that side, and then mine, which is very very insignificant,
but sad.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
I love it's very insignificant, you know.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
And and also like, you know, right here, I have
this as a remembering. I have the poppy right here,
you see, like the little Oh yes, this is a
Royal Irish regiment. Give it to me.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
It's very special wearing that very special.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Oh yeah, this is a gift by a friend of
mine over in uh you know, and I just keep it,
buy me, give it a kiss there.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
It's the one. It's a wonderful charity. It raises money
for the military.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
I wish we still did that over here. You know,
back in the day, we used to have the poppy.
You know, there would be veterans Remembers Day. Yeah, in
the US they would have. I looked it up. I
was like, how come England has the poppy everywhere every
time I go over there. I've been over there a
few times and it's always around Remembrance Day and I've
done special events and everybody's got so many poppies and

(52:46):
they're at the airport. You can give them, you put
a couple of bucks in the.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
Yeah, it's very clever raising money.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yeah yeah, And I'm like, how come we stopped wearing it?
In the US, and I'm like, bring the poppy back. Yes,
it just kind of it fizzled out, is what I
learned from reading about it one time. So yeah, yeah,
but I still wear it. I still have a beret
that I wear that I haven't it, you know. And

(53:16):
I just want to say, you know, I've had you
for just about an hour of your time, and I
know we're across the pond and across the world to
talking to each other. And this is the first time
you and I have ever met. And I want to
show people that you can have a totally normal conversation
with another human being on this earth after just meeting them.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
Yes, yes, it's been lovely chatting to you, really interesting.
As you say, it's strange that you're so far away.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Yes, but yeah, here we are. Like when I get
on an airplane and I fly over there, I just
close the window on the plane and then I open
it up and I guess I'm there. Is it a simulation?
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm very lucky to be able to
travel so freely. Because coming back to my mother, she'd
been in England, as I said, for a year before
the war. That then come the walls. She wasn't able
to travel. So for five years you couldn't go across
the channel. I mean, now you just go to Paris,
you know, at the drop of her hat at that
time that at the time you couldn't because it was

(54:19):
very expensive anyway. But during the war you couldn't travel,
You couldn't go anywhere. So yeah, yeah, we don't value
our freedom enough.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
No, No, I think I do, but I don't think
I do enough. So I'm just born into the situation.
You know, as an American, Right, there's people who come
to this country that know more about this country than
I know about my own country.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
That's true, and I'm honest about it. Okay, the test
that somebody has to naturalize themselves to become a naturalized
citizen here, the test, I would be scared.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Yeah, yeah, they know more about it. The people who
naturalize know more about the country than we do.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
And I'm like, why are we Like it's just like helloy,
And they're so proud too. It's like, oh, the thirteenth
Law of the Land is and I'm like, what what
is it? What is it? What's the thirteenth We just
know the first of the second, what's the third, fourth, fifth, thirteenth? What?

Speaker 3 (55:17):
Yeh?

Speaker 2 (55:17):
I'll tell you what. We need to appreciate what we have.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Don't we You know we do? We need to.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
We're very lucky and friendships, so I want to appreciate this. Okay,
So you and I will be friends. And I just
want to say thank you so much for being on
the show today. And I want to talk about one
more time The Paris Girl, the young woman who outwitted
the Nazis and became a World War two hero, which

(55:45):
is out at all bookstores, Barnes and Noble, It's on
the Amazon. It's probably at your local airport, and if not,
just go there. Oh, you want to know a trick
her before I sign off? You want to know a
trick I heard a really popular author do. He will
take his book and take it to the airport and
it has a UPC number on the back of it.

(56:07):
You'll have one, and if there's not one there, he'll
hand it to the lady or whoever's at the checkout
and they'll scan it and it'll say like last one,
and it'll make them reorder it.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Oh good, Oh, that's wonderful.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
You see that.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
You see how thank you very much for helping me
promote the book. I really appreciate it hugely. It's my
first book to be published in the United States, so
it's very exciting.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Well, congratulations and congratulations to being a mom as well,
and to your family Okay, and your lovely pearl necklace,
and you're lovely. Okay. I just want to lady, so
you know that.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
I don't want to have to sign off, but I'm
about to sign off. I want to say thank you
to my listener for taking the time to hear mine
and Friendsell's discussion about her mother in the French Resistance
and how powerful women are in this world. And you're
always welcome on the show. And if you ever get
this into theaters or in a movie or a TV show,

(57:05):
and if you ever need a long bearded Viking frenchman,
you just let me know and I'll show up in
that Okay, And you're awesome.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
Well, thank you so much. Thank you for the opportunity
of chatting to you and meeting you in particular. I
really enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Same and behalf of France. El White and myself here
at Soft Rep Radio and my producer Callum who's over
in London? Okay, why am I not in London right now? Anyways,
if you're watching this during the holidays, happy holidays. And
if not, go check out her book everywhere books are sold.

(57:42):
And this is rad On behalf of France El saying peace.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
You've been listening to self Red Radio