December 16, 2019 • 29 mins
When Julia Harris’ cheating boyfriend is found dead on the side of the road, she’s quickly convicted. But two years into her sentence, she maintains that her boyfriend's true killer is still at large. Can you solve if Julia’s a master manipulator, or the fall woman in this complicated crime?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
H m hmmm. Ship. Hey mel Hi, Dady? Where I am? Oh?
(00:22):
I'm still at my house. Sorry, baby, I know I'm late.
I'm on my way over to Jesus. Damn, you scared me.
What are you doing here? Wait? Wait, we have breaking
news in the search for the missing Eastwood College student.
(00:44):
The police are telling us the young man's vehicle has
been the body of year old Rob Holt has been
discovered in the back gunshot and the murder of the
Eastwood students. Today painted the picture of Alice arrested year
old Julia. Her verdict is in. Julia Harris has been
found guilty of first degree murdering. Judgment today ended out
(01:05):
life sentence. This is a call from an inmate at
a federal detention facility. For two years, I've been locked up,
away from my parents, my friends for something I didn't do.
(01:30):
I've used up all my appeals. I tried hiring new lawyers.
Nobody believes me. But I know that these podcasts sometimes
they queer people's names. Right, get them a new trial. Listen,
you're my last chance. Here, I swear to you, I'm innocent.
(01:57):
Welcome to Solve the Interactive Mystery podcast Where you don't
just hear about crimes, you solve them. Each episode will
present you with a different case inspired by a true crime.
You'll interrogate suspects, piece together evidence, and investigate the crime scene.
You're the detective. This is your case? Can you solve it?
(02:19):
Solve presents the real killer. I used to listen to
these true crime podcasts all the time. I never thought
there'd be one about me. To everyone who's listening, I
just want you to know that I don't belong here.
(02:41):
I've never even broken the law and never gotten a
parking to get I'm not a violent person. Robbed me
have turned out to be a tack in the end.
But when we were together, I really cared about him.
I loved him. What I feel like I'm back in
(03:03):
high school. Were you often in the back seats of
guas cars? In high school? I had a steady boyfriend,
thank you very much. And yeah we did have some
fun in the back seat. Not in random parking lots
like this though, because that guy wasn't a romantic like me,
because he wasn't trying to hide me like you. Who's hiding?
(03:23):
Oh come on, Rob, everyone knows you're the biggest player
on campus. You're probably sleeping with what like at least
one other girl, and you'd rather her not find out?
Is that right? Other girls? I've been saving myself for you.
You're my first, your first. You've stolen my innocent, oh boy, innocent? Right?
(03:46):
All right? Look, real talk, I'm not hiding. I don't
care who knows about us. I really did you m
don't run lines on me, Rob, I'm serious. I've never
meant anyone like you before, really, really, And I want
(04:07):
to ask you something. Okay, do you really have to
put your clothes back on? You're an asshole? Mm hm.
(04:27):
And so the great womanizer Rob Holt finally settled down
and we were happy for a year before things blew up.
But do you really think I'm capable of murder? Where
did I even get the gun? They never found it.
The whole thing was raped from the start. The cops
(04:50):
wanted to believe they solved the case, especially Detective hams Up,
and once they decided I was a suspect, they only
look for things that come from their theory. It was
total tunnel vision. Look, I've never had any doubt about
her guilt. Okay. It was as open and shut a
(05:10):
case as you could get. Julia Harris wanted to kill
the man who broke her heart, and that's exactly what
she did. Hey boo, Hey, how's it going? Well? I
just booked our plane tickets to room and now I'm
planning our itinerary and Corney just send me this list
of restaurants here and Jamie went to when they were there.
(05:32):
Yeah about that. I was actually thinking that maybe we
should like not go right now. What why rob tickets
are nonrefundable? Heye, we've been talking about this for weeks.
Well you were talking about it. Okay, what is your problem?
I don't have a problem. I'm just saying we shouldn't
(05:54):
be going on trips when things aren't so good between
us aren't so good? What are you even talking about?
Come on, Jules, don't you think things have been a
little flat lately? Lot? Yeah, like we're not having as
much fun as we used to. I guess what I'm
getting at is I don't really think I should be
in a relationship right now. There are some things I
(06:16):
need to sort out and I just really need some
time to focus on myself or he seriously breaking up
with me right now over the fucking phone. He completely
blindsided me. We never even had a fight one day.
It's just a boom, It's over. I mean even his
(06:36):
best friend Adam will tell you it was a comeback
thing to do. I've got to get to class. Can
we do this another time? Actually, you know what, let's
just get this over with. Yeah, it wasn't fair the
way Rob treated Julia. You know, she was good to have,
but it's not like he didn't feel bad about it.
(06:59):
The thing about Rob is he was impulsive. He just
do things and not think about the consequences until later.
But Rob didn't die because he was selfish. He died
because Julia lost her ship. People they make it out
as if I like snapped or something, But the truth
is it really didn't affect me the way they said
it did. He was just so heartless. No, honey, I'm
(07:29):
so sorry. He said, he just needs time to sort
himself out. So I don't know, maybe when he does that,
it really is how good we are. He told you that. Yeah, what,
I don't know if I should say anything, Courtney. What Well,
(07:53):
When I was walking through the Quady the other day
with Steph, we saw Rob holding hands with Melody Austin.
That thinks they're together. What the fun? It was a
full on betrayal. He started seeing her while we were
still together. I guess I shouldn't be surprised you were
(08:14):
seeing other girls when we were fooling around. How he
was probably cheating on Melody in the end too, And
Julia said that, I mean, what else would you expect.
She's crazy. Look, I'm already late for work. If you
want to talk to me, you'll have to get in
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Rob was the love of my life. It was one
of those instant connections. It was like you could actually
feel the electricity between us. You know. I'm sorry that
it just so happened. She was with Julia at the time.
But what are you supposed to do when you meet
your soulmate? Well? Did you do it? Yeah? I just
(09:02):
got off the phone with her. How do you take
it poorly? I don't know. Maybe I just handled it poorly.
I mean, of course she's going to be pissed. But
you didn't do anything wrong. It's not like we planned this.
I just happened. Yeah, right, It's just one of those things.
(09:22):
Just one of those things. Mm hmmm. Yeah, maybe I
should have at least told her in person, though, you're
a good guy, Rob, I'm not exactly feeling like a
good guy right now. You're just following your hearts. What's
wrong with that, you do? I've never met anyone like
(09:47):
you before. I've never met anyone like you before, and
if this is our first day as an official couple,
we should commemorate it somehow, don't you think? Yeah, it
was painful, as it would be for anyone, but those
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prosecutors in court me, it sounds like I'm some kind
of psycho, Your honor, I'd like to enter the defendant's
diary into the record. Ms Harris, would you read this
page here? Please? Objection? It is her diary. The state
knows my client's diary is irrelevant to their case, and
I'm just trying to create a performance to mislead. Did
you vail her words enough? The objection is overruled. Miss
(10:37):
If you please? How could he do this to me?
Could you speak up? Please? How could he do this
to me? That asshole, that fucking asshole? I've never met
so heartless, great Rick in my entire life. How can
you treat someone you love that way? How do you
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treat any human that way? How fucked up do you
have to be to be that cold and indifferent to
someone you call your dream girl, someone who was so
good to you. The diary showed that she was completely
(11:21):
obsessed with her ex boyfriend. Couple that with the text
messages and you can you can see why the Jerry
didn't deliberate for Loan. Well, you were right. Melody posted
a picture of her and Rob on Instagram that Dick,
I'm in shock. I'm in total shock. I'm so sorry,
(11:42):
Jules Horn Emogi heart Emogi. How can you move on
so fast? Because he's an asshole? You know it hurts
the most. He doesn't even care. He's not trying to
hide that he's with Melody now. He wasn't even feeling
a shame or out. People like Rob only think of themselves.
(12:04):
You're gonna be glad to be free of this bullshit someday.
I'm fucking killing just a figure of speech. I mean,
who hasn't said they felt like killing their ex. The
fact is I never even saw Rob after we broke up.
I never even interacted with him at all. The prosecutors
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in my diary and texts are proof of premeditation when
they were just me inventing processing my feelings and they
used my grief to make me look like a killer.
I still can't believe that's happened to me. And you
know what the worst part is, the real killer is
(12:46):
still out there, just walking around free while I'm in here.
That's the number one thing people ask me. If you
didn't do it, who did? I mean, not that I know,
but the plenty of other suspects the police didn't even
look at even I am. Okay, Yeah, Rob and I
(13:09):
had a falling out. They are you happy childhood friends
and all that, But you know, business came between us.
It happens. We developed an app. It was this one
of a kind puzzle game. It was going to be
the next a Doku. So we need to pay our
ux guys for about another two weeks of work so
(13:29):
that we can smooth out the interface issues before we
start baidat testing. Yeah about that. I actually can't put
up the money for that right now? What are you
talking about? We've budgeted for this. Yeah, man, I know,
but I don't want to be a dick, but I've
got to be allowed. What you know, those guys we
(13:50):
were chatting with at the startup conference were doing that app.
It's like a dating app, but it matches dog walkers
with dogs pass wipe. Yeah. Well they made a good offer,
like a really good offer. They've already got some celebrity
endorsements lined up and everything. The r O Y is
gonna be huge, Rob, we launched in six weeks. You're
the major stakeholder. I'm topped out. I can't replace her investment.
(14:11):
At this point, the app will be dead. I know,
I know, I feel really bad about this, Bro, but
it's just too good an opportunity to pass up. You
do the same, No, I wouldn't. And that was that
the dog people poached him or app fell apart, and
I've blown all my savings with nothing to show for him.
Typical Rob, always looking for something better. We stopped talking
(14:36):
after that. Why is there to say to a guy
who would throw away fifteen years of friendship or something
called post one? Wait? Do you think I killed Rob?
Is that what she told you? Unbelievable? Hey, uh, what's
going on? They're doing a podcast about Julia? Oh yeah,
(14:57):
I was just listening to the latest episode. Look at
for one thing, she is sticking to her story. Yeah,
but it's bullshit. You know what convinced me the brown
hair they found in his car couldn't have been melodies.
She's blonde, and Rob was crazy about brunettes. That's why
I always had to keep him away from Trisha stop by.
I don't want them recording that. The point is is
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that Julia allured him into the back of that car.
Rob couldn't help himself. She shot him and then dumped
his car across town. No doubt in my mind. Anyway,
I'm late enough for classes. It is when I grab lunch. Baby, Yeah,
let's get out of here. Okay, what is that about.
I don't know. I think they think it's me. Oh
(15:46):
my god. The brown hair are you kidding me? That
couldn't come from anyone. There weren't even n on it.
And yeah, sure, Rob had I still can't believe you
left me for that blonde pitch melody. You know she's
the one who you should be looking at. Even though
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I never even said a word to Rob after the breakup,
she was still like crazy jealous of me for some reason.
She says, I'm jealous of her. I'm not jealous of anyone.
She was jealous of me. She's just a pathological liar.
Like when she said she never contacted Rob after the breakup.
(16:29):
She did, and Rob told me, mm hmmm, who's that. Oh,
it's Julia. She's just asking for some of her things
back at two in the morning. Yeah, I don't know.
She's crazy, she's not over you. I could blame her.
(16:52):
Mm hmmm. Puts her phone away, deal with her in
the morning. Good thinking. I'll just put it on silent.
She was clearly obsessed with him. You heard what she
wrote in her diary and those texts. Not to mention,
(17:13):
there was a witness, that guy who saw her driving
Rob's car the night that he was I'm sorry, it's
it's just still so hard to talk about. It's like
my future was stolen from me. You know. That's what
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she did. That's what she took from me, my soul mate.
He's so full of shick. I never chected Rob, and
that's so called eyewitness. He's a liar. First of all,
I was at the library studying her an exam when
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the guy claimed he saw me driving. Nobody saw Juliet
at the library. Camp of security. Footage gets deleted after
a week, so we were never able to get our
hands on it. But if we did, we wouldn't have
seen her because Julia Harris wasn't at the library that night.
Our eyewitness confirms having seen Julia driving Rob's car in
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the direction of the field where it was found at
seven thirty pm that evening. The m E put the
time of the murder between five and eight. You do
the math. Okay, Look, it was a Saturday night. Most
kids were out partying, so there weren't a lot of
people around. But I'm telling you the truth. It's a
(18:37):
phony witness who's lying. You know how you can be
sure he said he saw me driving Rob's car. But
Rob's car is a manual and I can't drive stick.
So you have to ask yourself, is why did he lie?
I mean for her? All we know he's the real killer.
Oh hey, man, he found the place. Name's Dave, don't
(19:00):
mind the mess, and made does not come till tomorrow. Oh.
I gotta tell you. I love this true crime stuff, man,
I love all. I love Bundy, Zodiac and who's that
one had a thing for Brunette's killed all those kids
in those cars. But Berkowitz. Berkowitz started Sam as some
crazy crazy stop man. Yeah, so anyway, I'd already told
(19:25):
the police and uh them court people everything I know,
but you know, I guess I can tell you again
for your radio program there. All right, So I'm watching TV,
excuse me, and the news comes on and one of
those crime stopper things comes up on the screen. Right.
It says that you know, anyone with information about that
boy's killing, call this number. And I turned to my wife, Bev,
(19:48):
and this be my wife. By the way, I think
he gets some sort of reward, you know, if you call.
And then I remembered I've seen that. Yeah, and I've
seen that girl is the one whose picture was on
the news. She was driving the car. Yeah, it was here.
It was Sarah. I'm sure at least you know, I'm
(20:11):
pretty pretty sure. Girl did have brown hair and burgerwits.
Burger wits been all over that man. Yeah, I don't know.
I think it was brown. It was definitely the corn
and news man, I think so. I think so. I'm
pretty sure anyway. But oh, by the way, did you
know I didn't even get a reward. I didn't get sick.
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I'm a victim here too, of sorts. Oh hi, this
is Trish Adam's girlfriend. We did on campus the other week. Look,
I'll get straight to it. I can't listen to your podcast,
(20:54):
and I sort of feel compelled to tell you something.
M Robin. I we were seeing each other, sort of,
we were well, we were sleeping together, Robert, we can't
(21:17):
keep messing around like this. I know, I know. How
come I don't want to stop. I don't want to
stop either, But it's wrong, so wrong. Winky face emoji,
you're the devil? You know that devil emoji? When can
(21:38):
I see you again? We're all going out to the
movies tomorrow night. No, I mean when can I see
you just you, preferably without any clothes? Question mark? Question
mark devil emoji. I'm free Saturday night. I have a
thing with mel, but we can meet up before I'll
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text you already met top secret location. Winky face. Oh
my god, you must really be the devil, because I'm
going straight to hell. It was just a stupid fling
that never should have happened. I think I'm proud of it.
I'm I'm disgusting with myself. I just wanted to tell
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you because the truth is I was with Rob the
night he was killed. So is this where you take
all of your side chicks. No, yeah, yeah, come on,
you know I don't think of you as just a
side chick. You don't, no, Trish, I've never met anyone
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like you before. Rob, Do not go catching feelings if
you insist. Does that mean we can't do this again?
I I don't know. I guess we'll see. Hopefully I'll
think better of it next time you text me. Hopefully not.
Good night, Rob. Wait, let me drive you back to
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your car. Too risky, let's not chance being seen together. Okay,
get home safe? H shit? Hey, mel Hey baby? Where
(23:28):
I am? Oh? I'm still at my house. Sorry, baby,
I know I'm late. I'm on my way over to you.
Jesus damn, you scared me. What are you doing here? Wait? Wait,
I don't know what happened. I didn't see anything. I
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never told the police because I didn't want to hurt Adam,
because I always just figured they caught the killer. So
I start trouble. Like everyone else who's been listening, now,
I'm not so sure. Wow, Rob really did that his
(24:20):
best friend. I mean, what if Adam found out? You
have twice the reason to want Rob dad or Melody?
I mean, I told you how jealous she gets and
what about that Dave guy? He could have easily called
her fake tip on his own crime. These people are
all telling you that I did it when each one
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of them had their own motives. So how are you
going to believe you've reached the end of your investigation.
It's time to decide who you think Rob's killer is.
Here are your suspects. Rob's ex girlfriend Julia gonna fucking
kill him? Rob's best friend Adam. Why is there to
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say it to a guy who would throw away fifteen
years of friendship? Rob's girlfriend Melody. It's like my future
was stolen from me, you know? Or the eyewitness Dave?
Did you know? By the way, I didn't even get
a reward. I'm a victim here too, of sorts. We'll
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be back with the answer after a word from our sponsor.
Now it's time to find out who was really behind
Rob's death. Rob's killer was his girlfriend Melody. She becomes
suspicious that he was cheating on her. Who's that, Oh,
(25:52):
it's Julia. She's just asking for some for things back
at two in the morning, and when she followed Rob
to his hook up spot and had her suspicions confirmed,
she shot him It's like my future was stolen from me.
You know that's she did. That's what she took from me,
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my soul mate. Julia gave a major clue when she
said he said he saw me driving Rob's car. Her
Rob's car isn't manual and I can't drive stick. If
you listen closely, when Melody was driving, you could hear
her shifting between gears and her manual transmission car. Rob
was the love of my life. It was one of
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those instant connections. This episode was inspired by a true
crime that occurred in nine when a young man found
himself wrongfully accused of his girlfriend's murder. He was convicted
two years later and spent years in prison for a
crime he didn't commit, but when a journalist began looking
into his case, he eventually uncovered exonerating evidence that would
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lead to the man's release. At a new trial years later,
he was found not guilty. Julia was played by Nicky
coss Rob by Harrison Callaghan, Melody by John Deney, park
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Adam by Bo Bridgeland, Dave by Eric Martzof Trish by
Cossar Mohammed, Courtney by Natalia del Riego. Detective Hampsa by
Dave Boat, Prosecutor by Joe san Felipo, Defense attorney by
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Brad Venable, Judge by Paul Kirby, Operator by Angela Pantana,
Male anchor one by Andy Chanley Male anchor too by
Richard Greene Female anchor one Atalia Costellanos female anchor to
Andyo Winslow. Written and directed by Corey Search Produced, recorded
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and mixed by Salt Audio Executive Produced by Corey Searge
and Walt Palmer. Sound designed by Jasper van Dyke for
Salt Audio. Original music and score by Noah Gersh and
Jamie Scheffman at Salt Audio. Production Coordinator Liz Lamy recorded
at todd Ao Studios. Next time on Salt, a Miami
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hair stylist at the center of a harassment campaign is
murdered in her own salon. Did a little, little, litle
little lift put the gun down. Okay, we we can
work this out. But with a possible mob connection. Was
there more to LeAnn than meets the eye? You in
the business of taking people out, let's just say, in
the business of album. So tune in next week to
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find out
H m hmmm. Ship. Hey mel Hi, Dady? Where I am? Oh?
(00:22):
I'm still at my house. Sorry, baby, I know I'm late.
I'm on my way over to Jesus. Damn, you scared me.
What are you doing here? Wait? Wait, we have breaking
news in the search for the missing Eastwood College student.
(00:44):
The police are telling us the young man's vehicle has
been the body of year old Rob Holt has been
discovered in the back gunshot and the murder of the
Eastwood students. Today painted the picture of Alice arrested year
old Julia. Her verdict is in. Julia Harris has been
found guilty of first degree murdering. Judgment today ended out
(01:05):
life sentence. This is a call from an inmate at
a federal detention facility. For two years, I've been locked up,
away from my parents, my friends for something I didn't do.
(01:30):
I've used up all my appeals. I tried hiring new lawyers.
Nobody believes me. But I know that these podcasts sometimes
they queer people's names. Right, get them a new trial. Listen,
you're my last chance. Here, I swear to you, I'm innocent.
(01:57):
Welcome to Solve the Interactive Mystery podcast Where you don't
just hear about crimes, you solve them. Each episode will
present you with a different case inspired by a true crime.
You'll interrogate suspects, piece together evidence, and investigate the crime scene.
You're the detective. This is your case? Can you solve it?
(02:19):
Solve presents the real killer. I used to listen to
these true crime podcasts all the time. I never thought
there'd be one about me. To everyone who's listening, I
just want you to know that I don't belong here.
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I've never even broken the law and never gotten a
parking to get I'm not a violent person. Robbed me
have turned out to be a tack in the end.
But when we were together, I really cared about him.
I loved him. What I feel like I'm back in
(03:03):
high school. Were you often in the back seats of
guas cars? In high school? I had a steady boyfriend,
thank you very much. And yeah we did have some
fun in the back seat. Not in random parking lots
like this though, because that guy wasn't a romantic like me,
because he wasn't trying to hide me like you. Who's hiding?
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Oh come on, Rob, everyone knows you're the biggest player
on campus. You're probably sleeping with what like at least
one other girl, and you'd rather her not find out?
Is that right? Other girls? I've been saving myself for you.
You're my first, your first. You've stolen my innocent, oh boy, innocent? Right?
(03:46):
All right? Look, real talk, I'm not hiding. I don't
care who knows about us. I really did you m
don't run lines on me, Rob, I'm serious. I've never
meant anyone like you before, really, really, And I want
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to ask you something. Okay, do you really have to
put your clothes back on? You're an asshole? Mm hm.
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And so the great womanizer Rob Holt finally settled down
and we were happy for a year before things blew up.
But do you really think I'm capable of murder? Where
did I even get the gun? They never found it.
The whole thing was raped from the start. The cops
(04:50):
wanted to believe they solved the case, especially Detective hams Up,
and once they decided I was a suspect, they only
look for things that come from their theory. It was
total tunnel vision. Look, I've never had any doubt about
her guilt. Okay. It was as open and shut a
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case as you could get. Julia Harris wanted to kill
the man who broke her heart, and that's exactly what
she did. Hey boo, Hey, how's it going? Well? I
just booked our plane tickets to room and now I'm
planning our itinerary and Corney just send me this list
of restaurants here and Jamie went to when they were there.
(05:32):
Yeah about that. I was actually thinking that maybe we
should like not go right now. What why rob tickets
are nonrefundable? Heye, we've been talking about this for weeks.
Well you were talking about it. Okay, what is your problem?
I don't have a problem. I'm just saying we shouldn't
(05:54):
be going on trips when things aren't so good between
us aren't so good? What are you even talking about?
Come on, Jules, don't you think things have been a
little flat lately? Lot? Yeah, like we're not having as
much fun as we used to. I guess what I'm
getting at is I don't really think I should be
in a relationship right now. There are some things I
(06:16):
need to sort out and I just really need some
time to focus on myself or he seriously breaking up
with me right now over the fucking phone. He completely
blindsided me. We never even had a fight one day.
It's just a boom, It's over. I mean even his
(06:36):
best friend Adam will tell you it was a comeback
thing to do. I've got to get to class. Can
we do this another time? Actually, you know what, let's
just get this over with. Yeah, it wasn't fair the
way Rob treated Julia. You know, she was good to have,
but it's not like he didn't feel bad about it.
(06:59):
The thing about Rob is he was impulsive. He just
do things and not think about the consequences until later.
But Rob didn't die because he was selfish. He died
because Julia lost her ship. People they make it out
as if I like snapped or something, But the truth
is it really didn't affect me the way they said
it did. He was just so heartless. No, honey, I'm
(07:29):
so sorry. He said, he just needs time to sort
himself out. So I don't know, maybe when he does that,
it really is how good we are. He told you that. Yeah, what,
I don't know if I should say anything, Courtney. What Well,
(07:53):
When I was walking through the Quady the other day
with Steph, we saw Rob holding hands with Melody Austin.
That thinks they're together. What the fun? It was a
full on betrayal. He started seeing her while we were
still together. I guess I shouldn't be surprised you were
(08:14):
seeing other girls when we were fooling around. How he
was probably cheating on Melody in the end too, And
Julia said that, I mean, what else would you expect.
She's crazy. Look, I'm already late for work. If you
want to talk to me, you'll have to get in
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Rob was the love of my life. It was one
of those instant connections. It was like you could actually
feel the electricity between us. You know. I'm sorry that
it just so happened. She was with Julia at the time.
But what are you supposed to do when you meet
your soulmate? Well? Did you do it? Yeah? I just
(09:02):
got off the phone with her. How do you take
it poorly? I don't know. Maybe I just handled it poorly.
I mean, of course she's going to be pissed. But
you didn't do anything wrong. It's not like we planned this.
I just happened. Yeah, right, It's just one of those things.
(09:22):
Just one of those things. Mm hmmm. Yeah, maybe I
should have at least told her in person, though, you're
a good guy, Rob, I'm not exactly feeling like a
good guy right now. You're just following your hearts. What's
wrong with that, you do? I've never met anyone like
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you before. I've never met anyone like you before, and
if this is our first day as an official couple,
we should commemorate it somehow, don't you think? Yeah, it
was painful, as it would be for anyone, but those
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prosecutors in court me, it sounds like I'm some kind
of psycho, Your honor, I'd like to enter the defendant's
diary into the record. Ms Harris, would you read this
page here? Please? Objection? It is her diary. The state
knows my client's diary is irrelevant to their case, and
I'm just trying to create a performance to mislead. Did
you vail her words enough? The objection is overruled. Miss
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If you please? How could he do this to me?
Could you speak up? Please? How could he do this
to me? That asshole, that fucking asshole? I've never met
so heartless, great Rick in my entire life. How can
you treat someone you love that way? How do you
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treat any human that way? How fucked up do you
have to be to be that cold and indifferent to
someone you call your dream girl, someone who was so
good to you. The diary showed that she was completely
(11:21):
obsessed with her ex boyfriend. Couple that with the text
messages and you can you can see why the Jerry
didn't deliberate for Loan. Well, you were right. Melody posted
a picture of her and Rob on Instagram that Dick,
I'm in shock. I'm in total shock. I'm so sorry,
(11:42):
Jules Horn Emogi heart Emogi. How can you move on
so fast? Because he's an asshole? You know it hurts
the most. He doesn't even care. He's not trying to
hide that he's with Melody now. He wasn't even feeling
a shame or out. People like Rob only think of themselves.
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You're gonna be glad to be free of this bullshit someday.
I'm fucking killing just a figure of speech. I mean,
who hasn't said they felt like killing their ex. The
fact is I never even saw Rob after we broke up.
I never even interacted with him at all. The prosecutors
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in my diary and texts are proof of premeditation when
they were just me inventing processing my feelings and they
used my grief to make me look like a killer.
I still can't believe that's happened to me. And you
know what the worst part is, the real killer is
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still out there, just walking around free while I'm in here.
That's the number one thing people ask me. If you
didn't do it, who did? I mean, not that I know,
but the plenty of other suspects the police didn't even
look at even I am. Okay, Yeah, Rob and I
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had a falling out. They are you happy childhood friends
and all that, But you know, business came between us.
It happens. We developed an app. It was this one
of a kind puzzle game. It was going to be
the next a Doku. So we need to pay our
ux guys for about another two weeks of work so
(13:29):
that we can smooth out the interface issues before we
start baidat testing. Yeah about that. I actually can't put
up the money for that right now? What are you
talking about? We've budgeted for this. Yeah, man, I know,
but I don't want to be a dick, but I've
got to be allowed. What you know, those guys we
(13:50):
were chatting with at the startup conference were doing that app.
It's like a dating app, but it matches dog walkers
with dogs pass wipe. Yeah. Well they made a good offer,
like a really good offer. They've already got some celebrity
endorsements lined up and everything. The r O Y is
gonna be huge, Rob, we launched in six weeks. You're
the major stakeholder. I'm topped out. I can't replace her investment.
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At this point, the app will be dead. I know,
I know, I feel really bad about this, Bro, but
it's just too good an opportunity to pass up. You
do the same, No, I wouldn't. And that was that
the dog people poached him or app fell apart, and
I've blown all my savings with nothing to show for him.
Typical Rob, always looking for something better. We stopped talking
(14:36):
after that. Why is there to say to a guy
who would throw away fifteen years of friendship or something
called post one? Wait? Do you think I killed Rob?
Is that what she told you? Unbelievable? Hey, uh, what's
going on? They're doing a podcast about Julia? Oh yeah,
(14:57):
I was just listening to the latest episode. Look at
for one thing, she is sticking to her story. Yeah,
but it's bullshit. You know what convinced me the brown
hair they found in his car couldn't have been melodies.
She's blonde, and Rob was crazy about brunettes. That's why
I always had to keep him away from Trisha stop by.
I don't want them recording that. The point is is
(15:20):
that Julia allured him into the back of that car.
Rob couldn't help himself. She shot him and then dumped
his car across town. No doubt in my mind. Anyway,
I'm late enough for classes. It is when I grab lunch. Baby, Yeah,
let's get out of here. Okay, what is that about.
I don't know. I think they think it's me. Oh
(15:46):
my god. The brown hair are you kidding me? That
couldn't come from anyone. There weren't even n on it.
And yeah, sure, Rob had I still can't believe you
left me for that blonde pitch melody. You know she's
the one who you should be looking at. Even though
(16:08):
I never even said a word to Rob after the breakup,
she was still like crazy jealous of me for some reason.
She says, I'm jealous of her. I'm not jealous of anyone.
She was jealous of me. She's just a pathological liar.
Like when she said she never contacted Rob after the breakup.
(16:29):
She did, and Rob told me, mm hmmm, who's that. Oh,
it's Julia. She's just asking for some of her things
back at two in the morning. Yeah, I don't know.
She's crazy, she's not over you. I could blame her.
(16:52):
Mm hmmm. Puts her phone away, deal with her in
the morning. Good thinking. I'll just put it on silent.
She was clearly obsessed with him. You heard what she
wrote in her diary and those texts. Not to mention,
(17:13):
there was a witness, that guy who saw her driving
Rob's car the night that he was I'm sorry, it's
it's just still so hard to talk about. It's like
my future was stolen from me. You know. That's what
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she did. That's what she took from me, my soul mate.
He's so full of shick. I never chected Rob, and
that's so called eyewitness. He's a liar. First of all,
I was at the library studying her an exam when
(17:53):
the guy claimed he saw me driving. Nobody saw Juliet
at the library. Camp of security. Footage gets deleted after
a week, so we were never able to get our
hands on it. But if we did, we wouldn't have
seen her because Julia Harris wasn't at the library that night.
Our eyewitness confirms having seen Julia driving Rob's car in
(18:17):
the direction of the field where it was found at
seven thirty pm that evening. The m E put the
time of the murder between five and eight. You do
the math. Okay, Look, it was a Saturday night. Most
kids were out partying, so there weren't a lot of
people around. But I'm telling you the truth. It's a
(18:37):
phony witness who's lying. You know how you can be
sure he said he saw me driving Rob's car. But
Rob's car is a manual and I can't drive stick.
So you have to ask yourself, is why did he lie?
I mean for her? All we know he's the real killer.
Oh hey, man, he found the place. Name's Dave, don't
(19:00):
mind the mess, and made does not come till tomorrow. Oh.
I gotta tell you. I love this true crime stuff, man,
I love all. I love Bundy, Zodiac and who's that
one had a thing for Brunette's killed all those kids
in those cars. But Berkowitz. Berkowitz started Sam as some
crazy crazy stop man. Yeah, so anyway, I'd already told
(19:25):
the police and uh them court people everything I know,
but you know, I guess I can tell you again
for your radio program there. All right, So I'm watching TV,
excuse me, and the news comes on and one of
those crime stopper things comes up on the screen. Right.
It says that you know, anyone with information about that
boy's killing, call this number. And I turned to my wife, Bev,
(19:48):
and this be my wife. By the way, I think
he gets some sort of reward, you know, if you call.
And then I remembered I've seen that. Yeah, and I've
seen that girl is the one whose picture was on
the news. She was driving the car. Yeah, it was here.
It was Sarah. I'm sure at least you know, I'm
(20:11):
pretty pretty sure. Girl did have brown hair and burgerwits.
Burger wits been all over that man. Yeah, I don't know.
I think it was brown. It was definitely the corn
and news man, I think so. I think so. I'm
pretty sure anyway. But oh, by the way, did you
know I didn't even get a reward. I didn't get sick.
(20:34):
I'm a victim here too, of sorts. Oh hi, this
is Trish Adam's girlfriend. We did on campus the other week. Look,
I'll get straight to it. I can't listen to your podcast,
(20:54):
and I sort of feel compelled to tell you something.
M Robin. I we were seeing each other, sort of,
we were well, we were sleeping together, Robert, we can't
(21:17):
keep messing around like this. I know, I know. How
come I don't want to stop. I don't want to
stop either, But it's wrong, so wrong. Winky face emoji,
you're the devil? You know that devil emoji? When can
(21:38):
I see you again? We're all going out to the
movies tomorrow night. No, I mean when can I see
you just you, preferably without any clothes? Question mark? Question
mark devil emoji. I'm free Saturday night. I have a
thing with mel, but we can meet up before I'll
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text you already met top secret location. Winky face. Oh
my god, you must really be the devil, because I'm
going straight to hell. It was just a stupid fling
that never should have happened. I think I'm proud of it.
I'm I'm disgusting with myself. I just wanted to tell
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you because the truth is I was with Rob the
night he was killed. So is this where you take
all of your side chicks. No, yeah, yeah, come on,
you know I don't think of you as just a
side chick. You don't, no, Trish, I've never met anyone
(22:42):
like you before. Rob, Do not go catching feelings if
you insist. Does that mean we can't do this again?
I I don't know. I guess we'll see. Hopefully I'll
think better of it next time you text me. Hopefully not.
Good night, Rob. Wait, let me drive you back to
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your car. Too risky, let's not chance being seen together. Okay,
get home safe? H shit? Hey, mel Hey baby? Where
(23:28):
I am? Oh? I'm still at my house. Sorry, baby,
I know I'm late. I'm on my way over to you.
Jesus damn, you scared me. What are you doing here? Wait? Wait,
I don't know what happened. I didn't see anything. I
(23:51):
never told the police because I didn't want to hurt Adam,
because I always just figured they caught the killer. So
I start trouble. Like everyone else who's been listening, now,
I'm not so sure. Wow, Rob really did that his
(24:20):
best friend. I mean, what if Adam found out? You
have twice the reason to want Rob dad or Melody?
I mean, I told you how jealous she gets and
what about that Dave guy? He could have easily called
her fake tip on his own crime. These people are
all telling you that I did it when each one
(24:41):
of them had their own motives. So how are you
going to believe you've reached the end of your investigation.
It's time to decide who you think Rob's killer is.
Here are your suspects. Rob's ex girlfriend Julia gonna fucking
kill him? Rob's best friend Adam. Why is there to
(25:05):
say it to a guy who would throw away fifteen
years of friendship? Rob's girlfriend Melody. It's like my future
was stolen from me, you know? Or the eyewitness Dave?
Did you know? By the way, I didn't even get
a reward. I'm a victim here too, of sorts. We'll
(25:26):
be back with the answer after a word from our sponsor.
Now it's time to find out who was really behind
Rob's death. Rob's killer was his girlfriend Melody. She becomes
suspicious that he was cheating on her. Who's that, Oh,
(25:52):
it's Julia. She's just asking for some for things back
at two in the morning, and when she followed Rob
to his hook up spot and had her suspicions confirmed,
she shot him It's like my future was stolen from me.
You know that's she did. That's what she took from me,
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my soul mate. Julia gave a major clue when she
said he said he saw me driving Rob's car. Her
Rob's car isn't manual and I can't drive stick. If
you listen closely, when Melody was driving, you could hear
her shifting between gears and her manual transmission car. Rob
was the love of my life. It was one of
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those instant connections. This episode was inspired by a true
crime that occurred in nine when a young man found
himself wrongfully accused of his girlfriend's murder. He was convicted
two years later and spent years in prison for a
crime he didn't commit, but when a journalist began looking
into his case, he eventually uncovered exonerating evidence that would
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lead to the man's release. At a new trial years later,
he was found not guilty. Julia was played by Nicky
coss Rob by Harrison Callaghan, Melody by John Deney, park
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Adam by Bo Bridgeland, Dave by Eric Martzof Trish by
Cossar Mohammed, Courtney by Natalia del Riego. Detective Hampsa by
Dave Boat, Prosecutor by Joe san Felipo, Defense attorney by
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Brad Venable, Judge by Paul Kirby, Operator by Angela Pantana,
Male anchor one by Andy Chanley Male anchor too by
Richard Greene Female anchor one Atalia Costellanos female anchor to
Andyo Winslow. Written and directed by Corey Search Produced, recorded
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and mixed by Salt Audio Executive Produced by Corey Searge
and Walt Palmer. Sound designed by Jasper van Dyke for
Salt Audio. Original music and score by Noah Gersh and
Jamie Scheffman at Salt Audio. Production Coordinator Liz Lamy recorded
at todd Ao Studios. Next time on Salt, a Miami
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hair stylist at the center of a harassment campaign is
murdered in her own salon. Did a little, little, litle
little lift put the gun down. Okay, we we can
work this out. But with a possible mob connection. Was
there more to LeAnn than meets the eye? You in
the business of taking people out, let's just say, in
the business of album. So tune in next week to
(29:02):
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