September 29, 2020 • 16 mins
The team shares a major development in the case. Shapearl keeps busy with the Courtney Copeland Memorial Foundation's annual book bag giveaway (www.copelandmemorial.com), as Alison remembers the role of Courtney's own book bag in the murder investigation. And Shapearl memorializes one of Courtney's best friends, Steve Otero.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, hi everyone, this is Allison Flowers from the Invisible Institute.
(00:17):
Before we jump in, we have some big news to share.
After hearing chaparol story and are reporting, the City of
Chicago's Office of the Inspector General has decided to open
an official investigation. They want to know exactly what happened
in Courtney's case. The Inspector General's Office is an independent
watchdog agency that oversees city government. It's a powerful and
(00:39):
important agency, so their investigations can take a long time,
but they can also lead to real change. Their job
is to root out corruption and uncover misconduct among government
officials and sometimes the police. Depending on their findings, they
can recommend a change in rules or even disciplinary action.
(01:00):
Chaprol is hopeful that the Inspector General can uncover even
more about the final moments of her son's life. And
another quick update, there's a new teaching guide for the podcast.
You can find it online at Invisible Dot Institute slash
teach dash somebody with schools mostly online this year. It's
a great way to engage high school students in conversations
(01:23):
around race and policing. Now our episode, we still have
some a few more books backs left. We have about
sanmore left. You did ticket. Every year since Courtney died,
Chapol hosts a free book bag party through the Foundation
in his name. It's a big back to school community event.
(01:46):
There's always a ton of food, music, and some of
Courtney's friends give free haircuts to kids. It's all beautiful.
I love a great day. But this year's book bag
giveaway was a lot to friend Facebook, Facebook, Facebook, Fewer people,
quieter spaced out here, chaparl on Facebook Life. She's a
(02:08):
little muffled because she's wearing a mask. Are you there.
I'm sorry, I'm getting everybody today. We're giving away bookbag
because we have hundreds of bookbags left. We are also
giving away free haircuts today, so I want to turn
around so you can see they have some availability. We're
taking haircuts two at a time because of COVID, but
(02:30):
we do have chaperl and the Foundation still pulled it
off and gave away three hundred book bags this year,
even with schools not reopening full time in the pandemic.
It was a bittersweet start to the school season. Courtney's
own book bag ended up being a recurring theme over
the three years at the Invisible Institute investigated the case
(02:53):
with Chaparl. So today we're going to dive into that
Lebron James book bag and why it was actually pretty
important understanding what happened to Courtney. And then we're going
to remember one of Courtney's best friends who was featured
in the podcast, Steve Otero, Courtney's book Bag. It's become
(03:15):
very special to Chaparl since Courtney's death. When we recorded
our final episode of the podcast, Chaparral brought Courtney's book
back to the studio just to be among us. And
that book bag is the reason why for a long time,
Chapel didn't think Courtney died in an attempted robbery. The
reason why that theory didn't pay for me as far
(03:36):
as a car jack is because nothing was taken from Courtney.
He had a cell phone, he had his wallet, his
book bag, his iPad, his vehicle, all of that was
still in the car. Courtney as a person was very
careful with his surrounding. If he felt like uneasy about
a situation, he would actually leave. So whatever happened to
(03:57):
Courtney that night, it was something that he was blind
aside by. Inside Courtney's book bag, was his iPad, and
even though the police report clearly listed the iPad as
being inside the BMW, it was missing. When Chaparll got
the car back from the impound lot, I x CPD
about his iPad. They said that they didn't they didn't
(04:18):
have the iPad and they never saw iPad. I said,
did you check the iPad to see if your head
and he captured anything. I said, because you know, iPads
do have cameras on them. They said, we have too much.
We don't have space to catalog everything. I said, okay,
this is the type of things when I say inconsistencies
(04:38):
that bother me. So this is why I have little
to no trust in what they're saying. That iPad and
the book bag was a major rabbit hole. Chapelle and
I went down for a long time. We tried that
finder iPad feature and it didn't work. We knew. The
officers on scene after Courtney pulled up to the station
and collapsed, went through his book bag because that's where
(04:59):
he kept his I D and Courtney's BMW co signer
Christian Hernandez told us that when he went to the
impound lot to get the car, the book bag was
dumped out, which was unusual because Courtney kept his car
pretty clean. When as soon as I walk in there,
the car was a mess. That was like somebody was
going through it because his jeans were everywhere. Trip to
(05:22):
me grabbed the book bag at his belongings. His book
back was wide open um if he were parking, how
would we tend to get out of the car, what
steps should we take? Would you reach for anything or
do anything? Like? In general, he's getting out of the car,
who reached for his book back? It will always be
(05:43):
in the back seat, always somewhere in the back seat,
usually on the seats on the floor. We heard the
same thing from Alma, the coworker Courtney was going to
see that night. It's a convertible, you know, it's a
It's a little car for a big guy. So normally
he would get out of his car, pull the seat forward,
(06:04):
and then reach into the back to get his backpack.
He would never leave his backpack in the car. He
would always take it with him. I think it's like
the weight of it, the weight of the backpack, like
he felt. I guess like he wasn't alone. When Alma
got home from the hospital the morning, Courtney died. She said,
everything became clear what must have happened. When she saw
(06:26):
the skid marks by the church where he usually parked.
Everything started to make sense. I feel like he parked,
he was getting out of his car. Maybe he was
reaching for his backpack. That makes sense to me, you know,
if he was shot in the back, I feel like
he probably didn't see who shot him. When we spoke
to a firearms forensic expert, he thought that Courtney was
(06:47):
likely ducking out of the way when he saw danger coming.
Based on the low height of the car and the
angles someone would have had to shoot into the car.
But Chaparral kind of agreed with Alma on this one car.
It's just it's low, so it would have ended he
was getting his back he was getting his bag out,
and that would be all plausible, you know, after how
(07:09):
he got shot in the back. And the tragic irony
is that right as Courtney was probably reaching for that
book bag, that familiar weight that made him feel so safe,
he likely didn't realize the danger that was right there.
(07:47):
Since the podcast aired, many of you from all over
the world have left Chaparral such kind words on our
voicemail and by email. Here's a few of Chaparral's favorite messages.
I am just a single mom with two kids driving
to Hilton Head left Virginia Beach early this morning, and
(08:07):
I have to tell you that those episodes that I
just lifted up to somebody podcast about Courtney Copeland less
all of you here in Sport. When you talk to
that cop my god, oh my god, those are the
peabody to that episode. You are one badass. Okay. You
(08:34):
have the same exact kind of shries that I know
my mom would have for me. It's something like that
happened to me. We're living in a horrible time, UM,
where it is every day mnus and throwing our face
to black and brown bodies do not matter at all,
and it's very heartbreaking and discouraging to live in this space.
(08:59):
By it, I tune in and listen every week. UM,
I hope you find the answers that you're looking for.
And I'm so grateful for this podcast and that you
have a group of people that care enough to help
you in this search. These messages have meant so much
to Chaparral because not only did we release this podcast
(09:19):
right at the beginning of the pandemic and and the
podcast right as conversations around state violence. We're taking hold
of us yet again. But Chaparral's family experienced another loss.
One of Courtney's very best friends, Stephen O'to, died back
in April. He was I'll tell you, this is the
(09:42):
second hardest thing that I ever had to do. It
was just such a beautiful day. The sun was shining.
Steve the sister Kesha, she was crying. I'm like, what's wrong, Kesha,
And she was, well, they're calling my sisters to tell
(10:02):
me that Stephen passed away. When it finally hit me
that Stephen was gone, heart re shattered in a million pieces.
Courtney and Steve met his kids in cis Row and
(10:23):
played baseball together. It was funny because Courney, ever since
he was little, he was super chunky and like he
was still run fast. He was still like be real active.
You know. In our league, he would have a whole
bunch of home runs. Steve was like a son to Chapel.
In fact, she says now that it's like losing two sons.
She used to take him in Courtney all over the
(10:44):
place in her van for sports trips. She threw them
in eighth grade graduation party. She took them to New York.
Stephen told us their friendship really took root at a
school dance party. It was crazy because we're like the
highlight of it. We're getting all the girls. Everybody was
getting crowded around us, and it was the Soldier Boy
had that song, Soldier Boy, and we're doing the dance
(11:06):
and stuff the dance many Superman. We talked to Steve
extensively over the last few years. He was one of
the people who immediately went to the crime scene to
collect evidence after Courtney was shot. Steve saw skid marks
(11:26):
and broken glass by the church, and he talked to
a woman who lived at the corner and heard gunshots.
In the early days of the case, he was right
there with Chaparl investigating. We'd like to let this tape
of Steve play out a little. Producer Bill Healy recorded
Chaparl and him reminiscing back in Courtney. I had like
(11:47):
he's like a leader man, and that guy always told
me like he always tried to push me to do better.
And what two years, three years, three years Corney hit
the type of relationship with his friends, like he would
do anything for his friends. And so with Stephen, he
was like, my Stephen needs to come stay with us,
(12:07):
and I was like stap. I was like, okay, well,
what's cooling on with Stephen? So but he was already
sneaking Stephen in for like three or four weeks before
he told me that, and so I was like okay,
and then he was like, yeah, he's going through something
and I want to help him. I said, okay, we're
gonna help Stephen. And so Stephen, he was like, Stephen,
(12:28):
you gotta finish school, Stephen, you gotta do this. Let's
go to church, and you know, you try to give
them the same kind of guidance that you're giving your
own children. It's just so happened that Stephen stayed with
us for like, like he said, three years, just about
all the high school, right, yeah, definitely. And at that
point for like you know, accepted with the family. And
then it was like something more to me, like more important.
(12:51):
It was like a brotherhood that had a family, and
I haven't already had a family. But you know, it's
crazy are some people that they're not your family, but
they care so much for you, you know, and they
want to do see you do good, Stephen. You also
got tattoo. Oh yes, I didn't really have that much
money or whatever, but I went to the casino. I
(13:13):
was like, man, if I win, it's for Cordney. That
same week, I was able to win like five hundred bucks,
and um, right away I went to go get a
very detailed portrait tattoo of Corney and this picture he
had actually took with his mom. I picked this one
because he looked very happy. That's really nice. My guardian angel. Yes,
his father passed away and he had on his arm
(13:35):
that that's his guarden angel. I took that from him.
I made him my guardian angel. Every time I felt
bad or anything, I just looked down, you know, I
looked down and I see him right there. So you
guys got all these tattoos had my back. They tattoo
buddy at first tattoo. We we got the same tattoo,
(13:56):
matching tattoos. We got an art on our chest across
our chest. You know, since we played a lot of
basketball or whatever, we wrote ball to Life Fall and
we used that model as like to go hard, you know,
to go hard to to the very last of you.
So you recently had a little baby girl. Yes. You know,
(14:17):
after after what happened to Corny, I was like, man like,
it made me think about my life. You know, I
need to get serious and focus, and you know, I
wanted to start my own family. So you know, I
was able to just have my baby. She's four months,
you know, and I know Corney would have been going
crazy because it will be like, oh, uncle Theo, like
(14:39):
that was his niece, you know, and it's something that
I wished he could have seen. You know, that's one
of the main reasons I decided to have a baby too,
just to stay more focused and where about my family,
you know, and sheished them because you never know when
it's your last day. From the Somebody team, we'd like
(14:59):
to in the O Tero's and all of Steve's family,
our love, peace to you, everybody, sood everything. Nobody. Somebody
(15:23):
is a co production of The Invisible Institute, Topic Studios,
The Intercept, and I Heart Radio in association with Tenderfoot TV.
This bonus episode was produced by me Alison Flowers, Rissa Apantaku,
Bill Healy, and Sarah Geye for The Invisible Institute. Jamie
Calvin is executive producer for Topic Studios. Christie Kressman is
executive producer. Sound designed by Rissa open Taku. Our theme song,
(15:46):
Everybody Something is by Chance the Rapper. Original music for
this podcast by Eric Butler and Nate Fox of The
Social Experiment. We'd love to hear from you. Email us
at info at Somebody podcast dot com or leave us
a voicemail at seven seven three two seven zero zero
one to one. To learn more about this case and
for links to additional materials, go to our show page
(16:06):
at topic dot com. Slash Somebody Everybody, Somebody's everything, Nobody's nothing.
Who
Okay, hi everyone, this is Allison Flowers from the Invisible Institute.
(00:17):
Before we jump in, we have some big news to share.
After hearing chaparol story and are reporting, the City of
Chicago's Office of the Inspector General has decided to open
an official investigation. They want to know exactly what happened
in Courtney's case. The Inspector General's Office is an independent
watchdog agency that oversees city government. It's a powerful and
(00:39):
important agency, so their investigations can take a long time,
but they can also lead to real change. Their job
is to root out corruption and uncover misconduct among government
officials and sometimes the police. Depending on their findings, they
can recommend a change in rules or even disciplinary action.
(01:00):
Chaprol is hopeful that the Inspector General can uncover even
more about the final moments of her son's life. And
another quick update, there's a new teaching guide for the podcast.
You can find it online at Invisible Dot Institute slash
teach dash somebody with schools mostly online this year. It's
a great way to engage high school students in conversations
(01:23):
around race and policing. Now our episode, we still have
some a few more books backs left. We have about
sanmore left. You did ticket. Every year since Courtney died,
Chapol hosts a free book bag party through the Foundation
in his name. It's a big back to school community event.
(01:46):
There's always a ton of food, music, and some of
Courtney's friends give free haircuts to kids. It's all beautiful.
I love a great day. But this year's book bag
giveaway was a lot to friend Facebook, Facebook, Facebook, Fewer people,
quieter spaced out here, chaparl on Facebook Life. She's a
(02:08):
little muffled because she's wearing a mask. Are you there.
I'm sorry, I'm getting everybody today. We're giving away bookbag
because we have hundreds of bookbags left. We are also
giving away free haircuts today, so I want to turn
around so you can see they have some availability. We're
taking haircuts two at a time because of COVID, but
(02:30):
we do have chaperl and the Foundation still pulled it
off and gave away three hundred book bags this year,
even with schools not reopening full time in the pandemic.
It was a bittersweet start to the school season. Courtney's
own book bag ended up being a recurring theme over
the three years at the Invisible Institute investigated the case
(02:53):
with Chaparl. So today we're going to dive into that
Lebron James book bag and why it was actually pretty
important understanding what happened to Courtney. And then we're going
to remember one of Courtney's best friends who was featured
in the podcast, Steve Otero, Courtney's book Bag. It's become
(03:15):
very special to Chaparl since Courtney's death. When we recorded
our final episode of the podcast, Chaparral brought Courtney's book
back to the studio just to be among us. And
that book bag is the reason why for a long time,
Chapel didn't think Courtney died in an attempted robbery. The
reason why that theory didn't pay for me as far
(03:36):
as a car jack is because nothing was taken from Courtney.
He had a cell phone, he had his wallet, his
book bag, his iPad, his vehicle, all of that was
still in the car. Courtney as a person was very
careful with his surrounding. If he felt like uneasy about
a situation, he would actually leave. So whatever happened to
(03:57):
Courtney that night, it was something that he was blind
aside by. Inside Courtney's book bag, was his iPad, and
even though the police report clearly listed the iPad as
being inside the BMW, it was missing. When Chaparll got
the car back from the impound lot, I x CPD
about his iPad. They said that they didn't they didn't
(04:18):
have the iPad and they never saw iPad. I said,
did you check the iPad to see if your head
and he captured anything. I said, because you know, iPads
do have cameras on them. They said, we have too much.
We don't have space to catalog everything. I said, okay,
this is the type of things when I say inconsistencies
(04:38):
that bother me. So this is why I have little
to no trust in what they're saying. That iPad and
the book bag was a major rabbit hole. Chapelle and
I went down for a long time. We tried that
finder iPad feature and it didn't work. We knew. The
officers on scene after Courtney pulled up to the station
and collapsed, went through his book bag because that's where
(04:59):
he kept his I D and Courtney's BMW co signer
Christian Hernandez told us that when he went to the
impound lot to get the car, the book bag was
dumped out, which was unusual because Courtney kept his car
pretty clean. When as soon as I walk in there,
the car was a mess. That was like somebody was
going through it because his jeans were everywhere. Trip to
(05:22):
me grabbed the book bag at his belongings. His book
back was wide open um if he were parking, how
would we tend to get out of the car, what
steps should we take? Would you reach for anything or
do anything? Like? In general, he's getting out of the car,
who reached for his book back? It will always be
(05:43):
in the back seat, always somewhere in the back seat,
usually on the seats on the floor. We heard the
same thing from Alma, the coworker Courtney was going to
see that night. It's a convertible, you know, it's a
It's a little car for a big guy. So normally
he would get out of his car, pull the seat forward,
(06:04):
and then reach into the back to get his backpack.
He would never leave his backpack in the car. He
would always take it with him. I think it's like
the weight of it, the weight of the backpack, like
he felt. I guess like he wasn't alone. When Alma
got home from the hospital the morning, Courtney died. She said,
everything became clear what must have happened. When she saw
(06:26):
the skid marks by the church where he usually parked.
Everything started to make sense. I feel like he parked,
he was getting out of his car. Maybe he was
reaching for his backpack. That makes sense to me, you know,
if he was shot in the back, I feel like
he probably didn't see who shot him. When we spoke
to a firearms forensic expert, he thought that Courtney was
(06:47):
likely ducking out of the way when he saw danger coming.
Based on the low height of the car and the
angles someone would have had to shoot into the car.
But Chaparral kind of agreed with Alma on this one car.
It's just it's low, so it would have ended he
was getting his back he was getting his bag out,
and that would be all plausible, you know, after how
(07:09):
he got shot in the back. And the tragic irony
is that right as Courtney was probably reaching for that
book bag, that familiar weight that made him feel so safe,
he likely didn't realize the danger that was right there.
(07:47):
Since the podcast aired, many of you from all over
the world have left Chaparral such kind words on our
voicemail and by email. Here's a few of Chaparral's favorite messages.
I am just a single mom with two kids driving
to Hilton Head left Virginia Beach early this morning, and
(08:07):
I have to tell you that those episodes that I
just lifted up to somebody podcast about Courtney Copeland less
all of you here in Sport. When you talk to
that cop my god, oh my god, those are the
peabody to that episode. You are one badass. Okay. You
(08:34):
have the same exact kind of shries that I know
my mom would have for me. It's something like that
happened to me. We're living in a horrible time, UM,
where it is every day mnus and throwing our face
to black and brown bodies do not matter at all,
and it's very heartbreaking and discouraging to live in this space.
(08:59):
By it, I tune in and listen every week. UM,
I hope you find the answers that you're looking for.
And I'm so grateful for this podcast and that you
have a group of people that care enough to help
you in this search. These messages have meant so much
to Chaparral because not only did we release this podcast
(09:19):
right at the beginning of the pandemic and and the
podcast right as conversations around state violence. We're taking hold
of us yet again. But Chaparral's family experienced another loss.
One of Courtney's very best friends, Stephen O'to, died back
in April. He was I'll tell you, this is the
(09:42):
second hardest thing that I ever had to do. It
was just such a beautiful day. The sun was shining.
Steve the sister Kesha, she was crying. I'm like, what's wrong, Kesha,
And she was, well, they're calling my sisters to tell
(10:02):
me that Stephen passed away. When it finally hit me
that Stephen was gone, heart re shattered in a million pieces.
Courtney and Steve met his kids in cis Row and
(10:23):
played baseball together. It was funny because Courney, ever since
he was little, he was super chunky and like he
was still run fast. He was still like be real active.
You know. In our league, he would have a whole
bunch of home runs. Steve was like a son to Chapel.
In fact, she says now that it's like losing two sons.
She used to take him in Courtney all over the
(10:44):
place in her van for sports trips. She threw them
in eighth grade graduation party. She took them to New York.
Stephen told us their friendship really took root at a
school dance party. It was crazy because we're like the
highlight of it. We're getting all the girls. Everybody was
getting crowded around us, and it was the Soldier Boy
had that song, Soldier Boy, and we're doing the dance
(11:06):
and stuff the dance many Superman. We talked to Steve
extensively over the last few years. He was one of
the people who immediately went to the crime scene to
collect evidence after Courtney was shot. Steve saw skid marks
(11:26):
and broken glass by the church, and he talked to
a woman who lived at the corner and heard gunshots.
In the early days of the case, he was right
there with Chaparl investigating. We'd like to let this tape
of Steve play out a little. Producer Bill Healy recorded
Chaparl and him reminiscing back in Courtney. I had like
(11:47):
he's like a leader man, and that guy always told
me like he always tried to push me to do better.
And what two years, three years, three years Corney hit
the type of relationship with his friends, like he would
do anything for his friends. And so with Stephen, he
was like, my Stephen needs to come stay with us,
(12:07):
and I was like stap. I was like, okay, well,
what's cooling on with Stephen? So but he was already
sneaking Stephen in for like three or four weeks before
he told me that, and so I was like okay,
and then he was like, yeah, he's going through something
and I want to help him. I said, okay, we're
gonna help Stephen. And so Stephen, he was like, Stephen,
(12:28):
you gotta finish school, Stephen, you gotta do this. Let's
go to church, and you know, you try to give
them the same kind of guidance that you're giving your
own children. It's just so happened that Stephen stayed with
us for like, like he said, three years, just about
all the high school, right, yeah, definitely. And at that
point for like you know, accepted with the family. And
then it was like something more to me, like more important.
(12:51):
It was like a brotherhood that had a family, and
I haven't already had a family. But you know, it's
crazy are some people that they're not your family, but
they care so much for you, you know, and they
want to do see you do good, Stephen. You also
got tattoo. Oh yes, I didn't really have that much
money or whatever, but I went to the casino. I
(13:13):
was like, man, if I win, it's for Cordney. That
same week, I was able to win like five hundred bucks,
and um, right away I went to go get a
very detailed portrait tattoo of Corney and this picture he
had actually took with his mom. I picked this one
because he looked very happy. That's really nice. My guardian angel. Yes,
his father passed away and he had on his arm
(13:35):
that that's his guarden angel. I took that from him.
I made him my guardian angel. Every time I felt
bad or anything, I just looked down, you know, I
looked down and I see him right there. So you
guys got all these tattoos had my back. They tattoo
buddy at first tattoo. We we got the same tattoo,
(13:56):
matching tattoos. We got an art on our chest across
our chest. You know, since we played a lot of
basketball or whatever, we wrote ball to Life Fall and
we used that model as like to go hard, you know,
to go hard to to the very last of you.
So you recently had a little baby girl. Yes. You know,
(14:17):
after after what happened to Corny, I was like, man like,
it made me think about my life. You know, I
need to get serious and focus, and you know, I
wanted to start my own family. So you know, I
was able to just have my baby. She's four months,
you know, and I know Corney would have been going
crazy because it will be like, oh, uncle Theo, like
(14:39):
that was his niece, you know, and it's something that
I wished he could have seen. You know, that's one
of the main reasons I decided to have a baby too,
just to stay more focused and where about my family,
you know, and sheished them because you never know when
it's your last day. From the Somebody team, we'd like
(14:59):
to in the O Tero's and all of Steve's family,
our love, peace to you, everybody, sood everything. Nobody. Somebody
(15:23):
is a co production of The Invisible Institute, Topic Studios,
The Intercept, and I Heart Radio in association with Tenderfoot TV.
This bonus episode was produced by me Alison Flowers, Rissa Apantaku,
Bill Healy, and Sarah Geye for The Invisible Institute. Jamie
Calvin is executive producer for Topic Studios. Christie Kressman is
executive producer. Sound designed by Rissa open Taku. Our theme song,
(15:46):
Everybody Something is by Chance the Rapper. Original music for
this podcast by Eric Butler and Nate Fox of The
Social Experiment. We'd love to hear from you. Email us
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