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May 7, 2025 25 mins

Going into the PGA Championship next week, Claude discusses his belief that professional golf is in a really good place because of what we're seeing on the golf course. He then dives a bit deeper into four players in the game and their chances at Quail Hollow ⏤ Scottie Scheffler, Rory McIlroy, Bryson DeChambeau, and Joaquin Niemann.

 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. I'm your host,
Claude harmon Solo Pod. This week, we're going into the
second major of the year next week, the PGA Championship
of Quail Hollow already had the first major of the year.
And over the last four years, you know, with this
whole kind of PG Tour live stuff, I think there's
still a lot of people that look at professional golf
and think in a bad place. There's a lot of turmoil,

(00:22):
There's a lot of stuff going on. Is there a merger,
is there not a merger? All that stuff. But I
think we're in a really good place in professional golf,
and I think the reason for that is what we
are seeing on the golf course, on both the PGA
Tour side on the live side, around the world. I've
been traveling pretty much NonStop this year already been so

(00:42):
far this year to Saudi Arabia, to Australia, to Thailand,
to Hong Kong, to Singapore, to Mexico City, to Korea.
So I've been around the world. I see people interested
in golf, I see people loving seeing the best players
in the world, and I just think golf to me
right now, when I look at the performance side of things,

(01:02):
I think golf is in a pretty good place. And
I'll give two examples on the PGA Tour side. Scotty Scheffler, right,
I mean, first of all, the last cut Scottie Scheffler missed,
I think was in August of twenty twenty two at Memphis.
I mean, that's a joke. He's got fourteen wins now
two majors, just won the Briar Nelson thirty one under

(01:25):
sixty one sixty three sixty six sixty three on Sunday,
won by a million shots. I mean, the golf he
is playing is unbelievably impressive. He was hurt at the
beginning of the year, so he didn't start until Pebble
finished his ninth there Waste Management, which is his highest
finish this year. Tied for twenty fifth, tied for third

(01:48):
at Genesis, eleventh at Bayhill, at the API, twentieth at
the Players, tied second in Houston, fourth at the Masters,
eighth at Harbor Town, and then wins Byron Nelson and
buy a million shots. The guy is I mean, he's
a machine. He's just he's so consistent as a player.

(02:09):
When you watch his game he can kind of win
in a lot of different ways. I think he can
win on incredibly hard golf courses where you know you're
not going to shoot super super low scores, and then
last week at the Byron Nelson, sixty one in the
first round to sixty three's and a sixty six to

(02:30):
throw in there and thirty one under. So he can
win major championships. We know that he has the game
that you need to have to win a major championship,
but he also has the game on a golf course
that's soft and wide open TPC Craig Ranch where they
played the Byron Nelson, you know, it's the bomber's paradise.

(02:51):
He hits the golf ball a long way. I mean
I'm always surprised when I see Scotti Scheffler up close,
you know, when he's standing next to other players. I
mean he's a big guy. I mean, you know, he's
six two six' three maybe even six. FOUR i, mean
he hits the golf ball a long, way and he
is just so. Impressive i've talked about him on the pod,

(03:11):
before BUT i think the things that he is doing
and the way he is playing golf is Very it's.
SPECIAL i think we are in a really interesting time
in professional. Golf the way That scotty goes about playing,
golf the way That Scotty scheffler goes about living his,
life his mental. APPROACH i marvel at watching he and

(03:34):
his Coach Randy. SMITH i got to watch them practice
At augusta at The. Masters and the attention That Scotty
scheffler has to, detail the attention he has to his,
grip to his, setup is very very rare in the modern.
Game WHEN i watch him hit golf, balls and he

(03:56):
is somebody THAT i will sit and If i've got,
Time i'll sit on a driving and just watch him,
Practice watch the work that he And Randy smith do
in the interaction with his, Caddie Teddy. SCOTT i think
it's very, unique it's very. BASIC i think his attention
to his fundamentals is it's fun to watch the. Grip

(04:21):
it's anybody Doing instagram TikTok, videos YouTube videos on the
grip right. NOW i, mean nobody even talks about that, anymore,
RIGHT i, mean there are a lot of instructors that
think grips don't. Matter where back in the, day thirty
forty years, ago your grip was everything. Right AND i
watch the attention to detail That scotty has with the

(04:42):
way that he grips the golf club and the way
that his setup is very very. Specific it's very very.
Practiced he's very diligent in the things that he's doing
before he hits a golf, ball AND i think a
lot of golfers listening could take a lot from. That you,
know he's the best player in the game right. Now

(05:04):
he's the number one ranked player in the game right
now if you still believe in the world, rankings and
he works on, fundamentals and you, know he's got a
very idiosyncratic golf, SWING i guess you could, say but
he has a unbelievably functional golf. Swing SO i just
think we're lucky right now to be watching the golf
that he is, playing the scores and the performances that

(05:27):
he is putting in week in and week. OUT i,
mean the guy just never really finishes. Outside he's had
two tournaments this year where he's finished twentieth and twenty,
fifth right the. Rest he is a player right, now
and he is on this kind of run that all
the great players over the last you, know fifteen twenty.
Years get. On every single week he's the. FAVORITE i,

(05:50):
mean think about. That every single week he tease it.
Up you're putting him AS i, think you're putting him
at the top of the list of people that are
going to. Win and so it's just incredibly impressive to.
WATCH a lot of people are making the comparison That
scotty's kind of on this form right, now this kind
Of Tiger woods type. FORM i, MEAN i see. THAT

(06:11):
i definitely think you could make an argument for. IT i,
think you, know my dad always, says you, know having
been a part of That tiger. Era, YEAH i mean
he's doing things That tiger has. Done can he do
it for the next ten? Years can he do it
for the next fifteen? YEARS i Mean tiger did for
twenty but Can Scotty. SCHEFFLER i, mean LIKE i, said

(06:33):
it's been three years since he's missed. Cut that's basically
What tiger used to, do, Right he never missed. Cuts
every single time he teed it, up he had a
chance to. Win every single time he teed it. Up,
yeah the one finished, second finished top, five rarely finished
outside the top. Twenty every time he teed it, up
and those are the type of things That Scotty scheffler is.

(06:53):
Doing AND i can still remember two THOUSAND i think
it was two thousand and Seventeen Aaron hills When brooks
won his first FEW Us. Open they share the same,
Agent Blake. Smith we played a practicer on With. Scottie
nothing really stood. Out it JUST i look back at
that AND i look at the player he is, today and,
YEAH i mean he was a great college, player he

(07:14):
was a great amateur player and, stuff but it didn't
look back then anything. Extraordinary and what he is doing
now is. Extraordinary he is as complete a player as
there is in the. Game he's as complete a player

(07:35):
That i've seen in a very very long, time both
on the golf course off the golf. Course there just
aren't a lot of. WEAKNESSES i, mean people talk about his.
PUTTING i, mean come, on that can't do what he's.
Doing BUT i, mean he just doesn't have a. Weakness

(07:55):
and it's just it's a pleasure to. Watch it's we
are lucky to be watching the golf That Scottie scheffler.
Played and then another massive, Story roy McElroy finally finally
getting a green, jacket finally getting A major after you,
know almost a, decade over a decade and getting The Grand,

(08:18):
SLAM Us open in twenty, ELEVEN pga twenty, twelve twenty,
fourteen The open in fourteen and now The masters in twenty.
Fifteen it was it was fun to. Watch majors are
hard to. Win and if you need evidence as to
how hard majors are to, win look at What roy

(08:38):
mackel went through On sunday At. Augusta the, ups the,
downs the great, shots you, know the thirteenth hole with
a wedge in his. HAND i, mean you just don't
expect him to hit it in the water. There he
almost didn't even hit the, green AND i think you
see what pressure. Does but everybody, knew every buddy in

(09:00):
the game knew That rory McElroy had the game to
win At Augusta. National there is not a golf, course
in my, opinion there isn't a golf course currently on
the planet that is more set up for his, game
for his skill, set for his toolbox and all the
things he. Had but you said the same thing About
Greg norman as. Well Greg norman had all the. Shots

(09:21):
Greg norman went in there with a big, lead AND
i think that If rory hadn't gotten it done On,
SUNDAY i think it could have been a similar situation
as to what happened To Greg norman when he had
a chance to win there big lead and didn't get
it done and really kind of never recovered and his
greatness just he couldn't get it done around. There AND

(09:43):
i Think rory went Into augusta with all the. Pressure
he was the, favorite having won the players the way
that he plays, Golf but he is another. One when
you watch him play, golf you watch the things that
he can. Do he can make things. Happen that that
is something THAT i love About rory and love about his.

(10:04):
Game there are very few players in the game that
can make things happen the way that he, can with
the way that he drives the golf, ball with how
high he can hit his, irons just Like Scotti. Scheffler
he's a complete a player as there is twenty nine,
wins over one hundred million, dollars two hundred and thirty

(10:24):
three cuts out of two hundred and sixty four eighty
three top, fives almost one hundred and thirty top. Tens
the guy is one of the greatest. Players definitely one
of the greatest Players i've ever. Seen And i've been
lucky enough to be around the professional game pretty much
the majority of my adult, life and due to the
fact that my father has worked with so many great.

(10:45):
Players you, Know i've been on tour for the last
basically twenty five years of my. LIFE i got to
See Tiger woods up close for over a, decade got
to watch my dad work With Greg, norman so two
of the greatest players of the modern, era two of
the biggest. Superstars And rory McElroy is he's as. GOOD i,
mean he's as good As i've. Seen he just has,

(11:07):
everything and you, KNOW i think it's great for the
game that he did get a green. JACKET i think
his career would have been not what it could have
been without. ONE i think he will be an Unbelievable masters.
CHAMPION i think the members At Augusta national and the
people that run that, tournament they couldn't ask for a better.

(11:28):
Winner the fans loved, it the patrons loved. It it
was a WIN i think that the game. Needed and
it's not because of the WHOLE pga. Tour rory McElroy's
too good not to win At, augusta AND i just
think watching him win, there it was great theater on
that back nine On. SUNDAY i think we are, lucky

(11:49):
like we are With Scotty, scheffler we are lucky to
be Watching rory McElroy do What rory McElroy, does which is.
Dominate he dominates in a lot of. Ways he dominates
with the. DRIVER i think if you listen to his
press conferences At, augusta the influence Of Bob rotella of

(12:09):
just trying to eliminate a lot of the white noise
and just you. KNOW i thought it was interesting when
they asked him On saturday if he thought about what
happened when he had a really big lead, there and he,
said it was a long time. AGO i don't even
think about it. ANYMORE i guarantee you can remember every.
SHOT i guarantee you can remember every. Shot BUT i
think the influence Of Bob rotella was to just try
and get him to focus on the controllables right and his.

(12:33):
Game when he plays his, best he's almost impossible to.
Beat he is one of these players and we have
seen him go on runs where you can make an
argument that he's the best player in the, game but,
man what a. Player and then on the other, Side

(12:54):
bryson And wak, O'NEMAN i mean the stuff that they're
doing ON Liv bryson winning week In korea sixty, five sixty,
six sixty, five he said afterwards he feels like it's
the best golf he's. Played and he won THE Us
open last, year and he shot fifty nine at The greenbrier,
sixth that riadd eighteenth And adelaide, Twentieth Hong, kong tied

(13:15):
for tenth In, singapore fifth In, miami had a chance
in that last group at The, masters didn't get it,
done finished fifth, there tied for second In, mexico and
then wins In. Korea SO i think going into THE,
Pga bryson is really really rounding into kind of the
form where you would think he would be one of
the guys that could, win had a chance to win last.

(13:38):
Year so his game, now with the way that he,
plays is major ready and he is going to be
a threat IN i think he's going to have chances
to win every major this. YEAR i think that's how
good his game is right. Now AND i JUST i
continue to be impressed by how this guy. WORKS i

(14:02):
get to see him every single week he's playing on.
Live i've never seen him not go to the driving
range in the entire. Time i've been to EVERY lib,
event so every single tournament That i've been, to he
is the last person on the driving. Range doesn't matter
what he, shoots doesn't matter what the score, was doesn't

(14:23):
matter how good it. Was he and his CADDY gbo
straight to the. Range Dana dlkus was over with him last.
Week he talked about you, KNOW i asked him In Mexico.
CITY i, said, listen you, know we're talking about The
masters and was. TALKING i, said what did you? Learn
and he started talking about his equipment and he started
talking about where he was hitting on the face with the.
Irons the superpower That bryson has is very much the

(14:46):
superpower THAT i Think Scotti scheffler. Has it's, him, right
and that they couldn't be more, different, Right they are
very very different. People BUT i think one Of bryson's massive,
superpowers on top of the length he has and how
far he can hit the golf, ball is him the
way that he approaches the. Game the way that he

(15:07):
approaches golf and the way that he thinks is incredibly.
Unique there's nobody in the game that thinks about the
game the Way bryson, does that practices the game the
Way bryson. Does there's nobody in the game that has
equipment Like bryson. Does there's nobody in the game that
is willing and actively trying to push the envelope with.

(15:35):
Equipment WHEN i talked to him about, EQUIPMENT i have
no idea what he's talking. ABOUT i, mean when you
look at his golf, clubs and when you watch other
people try and hit his golf, clubs they can't get them.
Airborne the drivers that he, uses the grips that he's,
uses you, know he said afterwards in his interview after

(15:55):
he won In korea last, week he was spending this
week working on a GoF. Ball he is a unicorn
when it comes to the way that he thinks about the.
Game AND i think there were a lot of people
When bryson came out that thought that that kind of
quest for, perfection the rabbit holes that he can constantly go.
Down he was With Cobra puma for a long time

(16:19):
AND i got to watch the rabbit holes that he
and The Cobra puma club design team would go, down
and the things that he would try and get them to,
do and the ideas that he would try and throw at,
them and there's just no one in the GAY i
think there's an argument that you could make that there's
never been anybody in the game Like. Bryson his approach

(16:39):
is so, unique it is so specific to him and
the way that he, thinks and it's fun to. WATCH
i don't have a clue what he's trying to, do
and he tries to tell me sometimes what he's trying to,
do And i'm in the game AND i can't figure it,
out but he is figured it. Out and he also

(17:02):
last week on a really kind OF i mean the
greens In korea at The Jack Nicholas course there they
played The. President we were there in fifteen for The President's,
cup And i'd forgotten how small some of those greens,
are how much undulation some of those greens, Have and
with his wedges that are the length of a six
iron seven, IRON i don't Think bryson gets enough credit

(17:22):
for being as creative around the greens as he's been
able to become with a six iron length lob. WEDGE
i love the fact that he wants to try and
figure the game. Out BUT i don't know if that
approach could work for anyone, else but sheres how works for,
him and he's one of the best players in the.

(17:42):
GAME i don't care what the world rankings. SAY i
don't even think he can believe in the world rankings
anymore in my, opinion just my. Opinion but, man is
he good and he works so damn, hard and it
is unbelievably refreshing and cool to watch how hard he,
works and very much in the way THAT i talked

(18:04):
about the Way Scotty scheffler his attention to. Detail bryson's
details are, different they're his, own but the way that
he goes about managing and working on his, game it's
cool to. Watch it's out, there but it is fun to.
Watch and then one of the other STARS i think

(18:24):
in the game right, Now Wacho. Neeman three wins already
ON liv this. Year, Adelaide singapore And Mexico, city three
very very different golf. Courses Adelaide, linksy The test there
is very Different singapore big golf. Course if you look
at the guys that have won there. Before brooks has
won there, Before Adam scott's won there a bunch of

(18:46):
times back in the, Day Phil mickelson, won so it's
a big golf course length power and Then Mexico city
eight thousand feet of. Altitude everybody that week was trying
to figure it. Out BUT i think the thing That
i'm starting to be really impressed by With waco's game
is what he does On. Sundays. Adelaide he wins seven

(19:07):
under On, Sunday, singapore he wins six under On, sunday
four under on the front nine On sunday At, singapore
and Then Mexico city six, Under so he's a. Closer
the kid can. PLAY i hear a lot of people,
saying you, know in majors sometimes when he, plays you,
know you get some of the commentators that like to

(19:29):
play that. Game, yea we don't really know how he, plays.
WELL i can tell you how he plays really damn.
GOOD i think if there was a real world ranking right,
Now i'd Put waco inside the top. Ten the kid can.
Win and if you look at the scores that he
shot At riviera when he was playing on THE Pga,
tour and his game can kind of travel to a

(19:51):
lot of different golf, courses very unique golf, swing BUT
i love, it and he is somebody LIKE i said
With Scotty scheffler Or, Rory i'll watch him hit golf.
BALLS i like the way that he and his COACH E.
DOO i like the golf swing they. Built it's, specific
it's unique to. Him Andrew, cummings who is his physio

(20:12):
and his. TRAINER i think he has a big job
to keep his body. Moving But waco works his ass
off both on and off the golf, course And i'm
interested to see what he can do with THE Pga
Quail HOLLOW i think will set up good for. Him
you need to drive the golf ball a long. Way
this kid hits golf ball. Miles it's a great driver
of the golf. Ball AND i think the test for

(20:34):
all four of the players That i've talked, About Scotty,
Scheffler rory, McElroy rice And. Waco don't be surprised if
all of those guys are on the, leaderboard especially deep
into the, weekend because they have the type of. Game
bryson two time major, Champion Scotti, scheffler two time major,
Champion rory McRoy five time major. CHAMPION i Mean rory

(20:55):
how many times he won it For Quail hollow For
rory is kind of like What bayhill And mamour And
Tory pines was For, tiger. Right he just loves that.
Place he wins there a. Lot it sets up good for.
Him AND i think the way That bryson is driving
the golf ball right, NOW i think that will be a,
huge huge advantage for him. THERE i think the ball

(21:18):
striking That Wako neeman has right now will be a
huge advantage. There so, LISTEN i think the game is
in a good. Place it's A Ryder cup. Year and
if you look at some of the names on This
Ryder cup right, NOW i mean we're looking at some
interesting right. Now top six for The american, Side, Scottie, Xander, Morikawa,

(21:38):
bryson it For Russell, Henley Justin. Thomas but then you
know that's seven to, Twelve maverick, McNeely Brian, Harmon Andrew,
NOVAK Jj, Spahn Patrick, Cantley Harris. English you, Know bryson
posted on His instagram AND i saw That Keegan bradley
posted An american flag on. IT i think that's. POSITIVE

(21:59):
i really do Think bryson's going to be a big
part of This Ryder cup team At. Bethpage and then
on The european, side top Six Rory, Raspus, hoyguard Terryl
hatton And Justin, Rose Shane, Lowry Ludwig oberg and then
that's seven to, Twelve Tommy, Fleetwood Thomas, Detree Matt, Wallace Nikolai,
Norgard Lori. Canter great story AND i think This Ryder

(22:22):
cup we are going to see some new. FACES i Think,
JOHN i Mean john rom is going to be on
The Ryder cup. Team that's For. Europe anybody that thinks
that's not going to happen is. Crazy matt Fitz patrick
make That Ryder cup. Team he hasn't been playing the
golf that we've seen him play in the. Past SO
i think The Ryder cup is going to be a

(22:42):
really great story this year BECAUSE i think we're going
to see some new. BLOOD i think we're going to
see some new players on both, sides on THE us
side and on The european. Side but there has been
so much talk over the last four years, about you,
know where the game is professional golf as. Fractured you,
know we've got to get back the old stuff and

(23:03):
as someone that is watching the best players in the
world on a regular basis up. Close i'll make the
argument THAT i think the game is. Healthy the golf
that is being played on the golf. Course the rest of,
it that's for other people to figure. Out Trevor umlin's
got to figure out the world. Rankings the governing, bodies THE,
usga THE, rna THE pga Of america and The. Masters

(23:24):
they hold the keys to access to the major. Championships
if you look at some of the invites going out
for THE Pga, Championship David, Pooge tom, mckibbon really really
good young, Players so THE pga Of america giving them.
INVITES i think that's really. Cool both those guys play on.
Live so are we starting to see a? Change you,
know wach o'neman winning on live as many times as

(23:46):
one qualifying for THE Us open. Now so a lot
of talk about what's going to happen WITH dp world,
is you, know and the various tours around the. World
but with all the doom and, gloom with all of
the golf is in a bad. Place golf has. Broken
professional golf is. BROKEN i think we're lucky to be
Watching Scottie. SCHEFFLER i think we're lucky to be Watching roy.

(24:07):
McRoy i think we're lucky to be Watching BRYSON. G.
Chambeau AND i think on all the tours all around the,
world there is a tremendous amount of good young talent
AND i just don't think the game is in that
bad of a place BECAUSE i see some great. TOURNAMENTS
i think The majors this, YEAR i mean The masters
always the first major of the, year we had a great,

(24:28):
one AND i think this is going to be a
great year for the. MAJORS i think we are going
to get some great duels with some great. Players there'll
be some people in the mix that aren't necessarily in the.
Mix but say what you. Want don't believe the hype the.
Game from a playing, standpoint there's a lot of good,
golf and we are seeing some special people and some

(24:48):
special players do some special. Things so don't lose sight of,
that some of it which comes to you most every.
Week we will definitely be back next. Week it's THE,
pga the second major of the. YEAR i will be.
There can't wait to up To Quail. Hollow really one
of the good golf courses AND i think it will be.
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