Cameron Avery

Claude welcomes musician Cameron Avery, a touring member of the Australian band Tame Impala, to the podcast to discuss his decision to dive into music instead of golf as a teenager, his return to the game, current golf ventures, and headlining Glastonbury.

 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's the Son of a Butch podcast. I'm your host,
Claude Harmon. So when I started the podcast, the idea
was to get people obviously in the golf space. Players, caddies, coaches,
people that everybody kind of knows are in the golf space.
But I also wanted to talk to people who aren't
necessarily golfers. They're in other walks of life, but golf
is a huge, huge part of their life. And so

(00:22):
I was down in Australia last week for the live
event in Adelaide and got to catch up with Cameron Avery.
Cameron is the bass player for one of my favorite bands,
Team and Paula. I'm a huge fan. And Cameron was
a very very good competitive amateur golfer. He talks about,
you know, kind of thinking about going to play Division
I college golf in America, but chose to forge a

(00:46):
career in music. And like I said, Tam and Paula
they headlined Glastonbury a couple of years ago, a huge
band out of Perth, Australia. And I mean, this guy's
got a very very good golf swing, played in the
US mid Am last year and loves golf. He's doing
some stuff in the golf space. So these are the
kind of podcasts that you know, when you have your

(01:06):
own podcast, you can kind of bring on people you want.
And Cameron, I'm a huge fan of what he does
in music and to get to talk to him about
kind of the merging of music and golf and kind
of that world that a lot of people are getting
into now content creation. So bass player for one of
the coolest bands around and loves golf and golf is
important to his life, So this is a cool one.

(01:29):
And Cameron Avery.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
On The Son of a Butch podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Cameron, first of all, when I started doing this podcast,
the idea was to get people in the golf space.
And one of the cool things about having your own
podcast is you can kind of do what the hell
you want. And so the fact that I'm actually going
to interview you and you love golf, but you're also
in Tam and Paula, which is one of my favorite bands,
is just kind of surreal to me. I think we're

(01:56):
in a really interesting time in golf to where there
seems to be like a crossover between like music, fashion
and people like yourself that are you know, on tour
in huge bands. I mean the fact that you guys
played Glastonbury headline Glastonbury, but you're also a scratch golfer
and golf is a huge part of your DNA, the

(02:19):
mix of golf and music for you.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
What's that like?

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Well at the beginning, in the beginning, it was only golf,
like it was up until I was probably eighteen. That's
all I wanted to be. I used to like buy
these sort of like Diet Burbery shirts. I wanted to
be Adam Scott much to like the you know, the
DNA of like your DNA, literally your DNA. I used
to just I would lord over. I mean I had
the same blades as him. I wanted to be Adam

(02:45):
Scott and Tiger Woods until I was like sixteen or seventeen,
and then I didn't play for like ten years, and
then I went through a pretty weird time in my life,
and golf sort of came back to me and sort of,
I don't want to say like propped me up, right,
but golf has this thing for me that it makes
me very self accountable, just sort of inherently because I
think there's no one else to blame, you know, the

(03:07):
allegory to life. I think is the most amazing thing
that I love about golf. That's the most amazing thing
I think take away from it.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
I think we all want to be Adam Scott, right,
I mean I think everybody. I mean, I've known Scotty
for a long time. My dad and I worked with him.
You know, it's like sometimes I feel like he's a
member of the family, but he is just he's such
a unique character. And I think for those of us
that know him privately, as cool as everyone thinks he is,
like he's even cooler because there's so many things that

(03:35):
he's into. The vintage Rolex stuff. You know, he's big
into fashion. He loves kind of anything vintage. He's into
ye and that's kind of my vibe. I know you're
big into that too. He's always been kind of at
the forefront of golf fashion, from Burberry to Acquascutum to Uniclode. Now,
what do you think is kind of Scotty's style stuff

(03:57):
that everybody loves so much?

Speaker 2 (03:59):
It's he is.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
He has this thing, including his golf swing, including I
think the partnership, like the commercial partnership deals he does
with Rolex in Uniclo on Berby Before that he's just
utterly timeless. Everything he does, it's timeless, but somehow he's
timely as well, So like he's sort of pushing this
sort of yeah, and he's he's always stuck to his guns.
He's never he's never followed a trend. He's always worn

(04:20):
the same kind of tailored pant and the kind of
a silhouette that he's always cut. You can tell that
he puts a lot of thought into that. And I
was surprised when I got to play with him last
year at Castle Pines. I was probably didn't give myself
enough credit for how nervous I was because Bussy, his caddy,
was like I knew Bussy and buscoes, hey mate, are
you playing? And that pro am tomorrow? He goes, what
do you want to play with Scotty and I was

(04:42):
like and I sort of was like yeah, sure, just
sort of like palmed it off, like yeah, this is
gonna be great.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
I'm gonna love this, and yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
I didn't realize how nervous I would be on that
first tea because I was kind of like, you know,
it's been I didn't play golf for ten years, so
I was very much out of the golf community. But
then when he was sending in front of me and
I had to hit a t shot in front of him,
I was kind of just like WHOA. But he definitely
has that aura, and I think it comes from his
attention to detail and his intention with his golf swing,
with what he's wearing. Like you said with you don't

(05:09):
become a collector of vintage rolex Is unless your attention
to detail is you know, unless you very have a
very high attention to detail.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
And he's always kind of been this kind of international
amount of mystery. I mean the house in Switzerland, he
lives in the Bahamas. You know, he's married to a
Swedish you know, he used to have an appointment in Stockholm.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
He's always I didn't know he lived in New York.
He justaid because I lived in Manhattan, and he's sort
of just going like he's like, oh, he used to
live there, and I was like what, so yeah, I
mean it's and I kind of love that, like I've
always you know, and I think it's in the age
of like social media. I think it's the opposite of
what we used to We used to love think about
rock stars or actors. We used to love when there
was a bit of mystery about them, you know. But

(05:51):
now these days people just stick cameras in front of
their faces every single day and broadcast themselves, you know.
So I think it's kind of nice to have someone who's,
you know, just lets his golf do the talking and
his brand identity and everything else that he does.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
He kind of follows the old school model of Hollywood, right.
The worst thing in all Hollywood would be to be infamous.
You were trying to be famous, and Scotty has always
kind of managed this kind of cool. He's he's I mean,
I was with him a couple a month ago in Dubai.
I mean, like you said, he's timeless. He's aging well

(06:23):
and the golf swing is still amazing.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Getting better because I was looking, I mean, I was
just looking. I used to try and swing it like him.
I mean, I'm not as fit as I used to be,
but there's a lot of sort of his DNA in
my golf swing and watching how compact his swing is
becoming now, because I remember he used to have that
really really long high left arm that sort of went
up near his chin, and now he's really flattened it
out and his right arm is a lot closer, like
his hand are a lot more in front of his body,

(06:46):
and it's like he's getting stronger. I feel like, and
watching him hit balls for nine holes that day at
altitude was like with something else was incredible. I can't
believe the flight when it comes off the club base, Like,
how is that possible? The optimal spin with his driver
or his mini driver or whatever he's carrying right now.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
And I think the other thing about Adam is there's
this like synergy with Roger Federer on the tennis side.
You know, they're both role ex ambassadors. They've always kind
of done things kind of in a very very classy way.
They're both uniclo ambassadors now and it's kind of like
they're the gold standard of Like I always say to
the young people that are playing professional golf for the

(07:23):
first time and they're starting out their career, I'm like,
if you could model your career off of an athlete,
especially in the golf space, Adam Scott would be a great,
great person to do.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, he's perfect.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
You mentioned that you took up golf and you probably
could have played division. Did you ever think of going
to the US and trying to play Division one college golf.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah, that's what I wanted to do.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
I remember there was some conversations I had with U
and LV and a little bit with there was someone
and at one of the uzzy ams that was my
grades were terrible.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Let's get that out of the way.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
I was already kind of like goofing around playing guitar
a little bit and surfing every day.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
But yeah, I wanted to go.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
I mean my dream was to like get into a
Division one college team and play golf and then graduate
and then going to the PGA too. That's that was
everything I wanted to be. That was everything I can
think about, so definitely, and then I guess music sort
of just became this thing that like, I think I
also realized I wasn't a killer like I needed to be.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
And I think I read that you said that one
of the reasons why you didn't continue to pursue a
career in kind of professional golf is you looked at
the greatest players and they all have that kind of
killer instincts. Some of them wear that very much on
their sleeve, some kind of have that silent kind of
killer instinct. I think Scotty Scheffler has that right now.
He's such a great guy. The way he lives his

(08:40):
life on and off the golf course. He's kind of
like the Tom Hanks of golf. But he is a
stone cold killer. If he has chances to win, he
is going.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
It in his way.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
He'd off he WIT's what I mean like, And I
kind of recognized that I had, like some pers I
used to play against Jason Scrivner. I played against Danny
Lee a couple of times, and I remember, like I
was like the I think it was like the Lake
Macquarie Championship somewhere in New South Wales, like I'd played
a really great couple of days. Can remember what I shot.
I'm probably even or two one that I can't remember.
Danny won by like eight shots, shot like ten under

(09:12):
or something like that, and just absolutely destroyed, destroyed the field.
And I just was like, I'm watching his focus coming
up the fairway, and I was, you know, already having
a good time.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
And I love having my friends, and I just never
really I loved hitting great golf.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
Shots and I loved competing, But when I really came
down to it, I think I recognized that by the
time I was twenty one, twenty two, twenty three that
I didn't really have that like real killer thing that
I saw other people that other people had. And then
and music sort of just became you know. I think
I said to Brett Rumfort, I had to I felt
so nervous. I had to go to his you know,
went around to his house and we went hit golf balls,

(09:45):
and the ranger I said, I don't know if I
want to do this, and he'd sort of reared me
from a very young age to play golf, and I
sort of looked at him, and I think I remember saying, like,
I think I want to make things, not win things.
You know, like if I make a song or an
album or a film or or like something like, then
you know that's mine forever. Whereas I feel like someone's
gonna win that tournament next year, and I don't know,
I just that's the way I thought when I was
seventeen or eighteen, and you know, up into my twenties,

(10:07):
that's sort of Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
The Melville Glades Championship. You were supposed to play in
that big tournament.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, I mean, like so there's this thing called how
old were you?

Speaker 3 (10:16):
That was probably when I was twenty one or twenty two,
and so I was already into the senior division and
there was this your state Packston Averages and I needed
to maintain a certain level to qualify for the West
Australian state team or qualify for playing interstate events and
things like that, and I just remember I was teetering.

(10:37):
I was wavering on, like the golf thing, and then
I hadn't told Brett that I don't think I want
to compete anymore. I was trying to pick a job,
you know, I was trying to I had these grand
ideas of I had to pick something that I had
to do with the rest of my life. And I
remember like Oasis was playing. It was like I think
it was one of their last shows. I'll have to
find out when exactly what year this was, because I
think it was like one of their last shows in

(10:57):
Australia before they broke up. And they were playing with
I want to say wolf Mother or either them on
kings Leon at this big vestival called Rocket in Jodle
Up and I remember just going like, yeah, I'm going
to go to the Oasis concert.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
So an Oasis concert instead of going and play an
amateur golf from Is that the one where Liam Gallagher
got arrested on the flight coming down to Australia. You
got arrested for drinking excessively on a flight, I think
on a virgin flight down to Australia.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
That's a weird thing to do between England and Australia
because I feel like at the Ash isn't coming to
talk about cricket now. I feel like they have competitions
who can drink the most amount of beers between here
in London. I don't I can't imagine. I mean, I mean,
I don't remember that him getting arrested, but I'm not surprised.
Back then, we'll get back to golf in a minute.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Music. How did you get into music?

Speaker 3 (11:43):
I guess it was my mom was a singer. My
mom sang on the boats. That's how she met my dad.
My dad drove the boat, my mum sang on the boat.
My mom was a musician. What kind of it was
like in these wine cruises they have in Perth, they
have these like wine cruises and my dad drove the
boat and my mom sang on the boat, and that's
the really how they met. So my mom would do
these like floor shows at the end of the like
on the wine cruiser, when everyone had a bit to

(12:04):
drink that you drop them off at a winery. They
get a bit pissed and on the way back, my
mom would you know, start singing these sort of like
show tunes. I eventually got that job, by the way,
because I needed money when I was trying to be
a pro golfer.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
So you sing while you were trying to be a
pro golfer. Your singing a wine.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Cruise, Yeah, I was singing on this little riverboat. Yeah, yeah,
riverboat cruise.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
What kind of music were you singing?

Speaker 3 (12:25):
I can't remember. I think it was like Sinatra songs.
My mom like raised me on that kind of stuff. So,
I mean, but before then, like I would sing in
the car, and I didn't realize how much I was
into music. When I was a kid. I was like, no,
I always wanted to be a sportsman, she's And then
she sent me these pictures I'd turned like tennis rackets
into guitars by putting shoelaces over the thing. And then
like she says, you always wanted to sing, She saying,

(12:47):
when you were little, you would like sing the same
song to a party of people when you would. You know,
I always loved it. I think it's the performing thing.
I don't know if that's egomaniacle or not, but I was.
It was kind of like I always wanted to perform,
you know. And then as I got older, I think
I was a weird looking kid. I was like this big,
sort of lanky, goofy where braces, kind of chubby and weird.
And I figured if I got a guitar and I

(13:08):
could play guitar like at house parties or wherever I was,
I might get a girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
You know. It was just a big ploy. This is
a big ploy to get girls.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
And then I ended up doing it for the rest
of my life, you know, for the next eighteen years
of my life. So I got into that. And then
there's a guy called Adam sort of taught me how
to play. I used to go into the music groom
at lunch times and when he would just teach me.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Stuff and guitar, guitano, guitar.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
I had piano lessons when I was eight, and I
can't read music, and I'm like dyslexic, so I can't
really I could never get the eg BDF kind of
stay I can't still to this day, I still can'try music.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
How many instruments do you play?

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Just the basic like I played guitar first, and then
I started playing piano, and then I played drums for
a ban called Pond, and then I played bass.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Bass was the last one.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Was the last instrument that I sort of really got into,
and that's probably I'm probably the best at bass now,
just from learn Kevin Parker's basslines for the last you
know whatever.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
It is twelve years or so.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
When you're on on tour, when you are playing with
Team and Parla, how many instruments in the show when
you are playing live? How many instruments will you play?

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Mate? It's pretty wiry up there. We've got like.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
How many people are For people that don't know, how
many people are in the band.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
I think there's five of us, and then there's two
drum kits for starters, which is there's only one drummer.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
It's two drum kits.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Jay has something like three or four synths on his
side and kronos like a keyboard. Dom has I want
to say three or four, maybe five, and then he
has five or six guitar lines. I can't remember it's
it's somewhere around that number five or six guitar lines.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
I have a.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Bass line and a bass synth line. Kevin has two
or three guitar lines, So there's like I guess on
stage there'd be something.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
I know there's something like.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Forty channels get like for five guys, like forty channels
going to the mixing console.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
It's probably more. I can't remember, and most bands would
have white if there is.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Let's listen, we've got five.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
You go think there's like ten mics and a drum kit,
you know, and there's five. There's there'd be you know,
someone playing guitar. There's another channel, and then you've got
someone playing bass. There's another channel, and then you've got
someone playing and then a singer, you know, So you'd
probably have twenty maybe twenty twenty five. We have so
many it's absurd. But I think that's literally one of
the funnest things I've been able to do over the

(15:19):
last like ten years is playing in that band is
like they're the best musicians in the world that I've
ever played with in my life, the most talented ones
I've ever met. Like playing bass along to Julian Barbeguello's drums.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Every night is a dream.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
And part of the fun is like we take these
like opuses that Kevin writes and pull them apart and
every rehearsal and go, how are we going to play
this song that Sometimes it's something that Kevin came up
with it, like in the middle of the night after
drinking a bottle of wine, you know, like so and
so we sort of, you know, I learn all the
bass lines, and then Dom will help, like Dom the
keyboard player will help, like synthesize the sounds, like he'll

(15:50):
recreate a synth sound.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
If we can't take that synth.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
On the road, Dom will help recreate it, and you know,
and putting these songs sort of it sounds silly, but
putting these songs back together from these like yeah, amazing
arrangements that Kevin puts on the albums and figuring out
how to make those sounds so that the crowd isn't
disappointed when you know, so they can bring these songs
to life.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Is what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Is one of the funnest things, Like the rehearsal is
nearly just as fun for the for then the shows.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
How much do you think learning music, practicing music, being
obsessed with music is kind of similar to the obsession
that you and a lot of people who listen to
the pod have about golf. Are they similar?

Speaker 3 (16:34):
I would say golf helped me become a better musician
in the sense that because I can't read music, but
I learned how to break down tasks. I remember I
got taught at ver at young age about like practice schedules,
but which obviously we could talk about that for hours,
like in the morning. It would be like, if I'm
trying to learn a skill, you know, like if you're
trying to make a swing change, you need to, you know,

(16:55):
first start doing with like, you know, a fifty percent
shot on the range, and then start speeding it up
a bit, and then eventually you can take it out
into practice rounds, and then eventually.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
You can use it in competition, you know.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
So basically golf helped me become obsessively specific about certain things.
So if I'm trying to learn a song, maybe it's
a baseline that's quite tricky, I will play it two
different tempos and then I'll play it I'll play it
really slow, and then I'll play it really fast. I'll
play it in a swung way, I'll play it in
a different rhythm, and it gives me this ability to
moti memorize songs. So like I think obsessive specificity is

(17:28):
something that golfers and musicians have in kind. Is that
like there's a broad stroke and a broad goal, but
being able to break that task down or that song
down into different sounds and different channels and different techniques
is something that there's massive crossover I think between musicians
and golfers in that sense. Mentally, I think the mental
approach to making a great song or for me, it's
like learning a great song or achieving something on stage. Weirdly,

(17:52):
I like performing a lot more than being in studio.
So if I'm trying to learn a performance, whether it's
me playing solo piano or playing in tamapala or anything,
I think learn a performance and learning how to swing
a golf club became very It came very naturally to
me because of that. Kevin I think even said that
once He's like Cam's more of like a musical jock
than anything else.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Writing music versus making music, like writing songs and stuff.
I read once you said you don't try and write songs.
You wait for the songs to come to.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
You said me, Yeah, I mean it's it's it's a
weird one. I'm not like like spiritual, but it's a
funny thing like I sort of wait for I feel
like sometimes if I like smash my head up against
a wall, like I'm going like write a song, write
a song.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Write a hit.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
Right, Maybe that's why I would never be a great
like sort of you know, one of those like Max
Martin kind of like pop song churning them out, churning
them ot, churing them out. I wouldn't be great at
that because I get no joy out of this kind
of like sitting there and kind of like trying to
write a pop song. And it never really works for
me either. So I think, like I write down lots
of bits and pieces. So if I'm writing a song,
it usually starts with lyrics. Like last night, but right

(18:56):
before I went to bed, I had a couple of
glasses of white and like these lyric came to me.
I was like, I can't remember what it was. I
could probably pull it up on my phone and I
write down three or four more lines that have to
do with that. And so that it's kind of just
like capturing like a feeling or a vibe about the
way I'm feeling, and how do I put into words
about a moment or something I'm feeling. And then usually

(19:16):
a melody will come after that, and then I'll try
and fit chords around that. So I kind of wait
for it to come and then sometimes man, I can
like I'll pull this up. I know the people listening
won't be able to see it, but like these are
all just like bits, bits and pieces of songs like
just this like tiny like yeah, like I guess like
how I'm trying to find one like there go this
is this is sort of how it sort of comes out.

(19:38):
This one says there's a river in a city. They're
all like broken verses and it doesn't make any sense,
but I start with the lyrics because that words have made.
My heroes are Tom Waits and Nick Cave and Leonard Cohen.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
And I read that you were a big Tom Waits
fan when when I was in college, down by Law
of the Jim jur Mooch film, That's What's favorite film
was my favorite film in college. We watched that role
That's religiously I loves.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
To have a poster on the wall, and I lost all.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Of Jim Joy Mussa's stuff, that whole kind of static
that black and white and Tom Waits was his music
was always in those films.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yeah, yeah, this happens with Jockie Philip Bourbon and there's.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
That great scene where they're in the prison cell and
he's like ice Ice scream and they also scream, and they're.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Like because his character is that guy is Roberta. Bernini's
one of my favorite actors of all time as well.
That's my favorite film because John Lewie was in the
Lounge Deards absolutely and Waits is one of my heros.
And Benini is a master. He's the best physical actor
I've ever seen in my life. But I remember, like
I had the poster in my first apartment in New York.
I had this big poster of that scene when they're

(20:40):
all leaning on the bars. Because one of the funniest things,
I made this neon sign that said because he says
I am no criminal, and he says I have a
good egg, and so like I always love I have
a good egg, So I made this sign that said
I have a good egg. Anyway, Waits was like he's
still still like I have a proverbial go bag in
my bank account. Like if we were sitting right now

(21:00):
and someone said Tom Waits is playing in Switzerland tomorrow,
I go see you, claude, have a nice rest of
your day, and would just leave. I'd give my left
arm to see that guy play again.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
You had an apartment in New York that had a
bed and just a piano, and that was it. You
told me the story yesterday, But you've got to tell
the story.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
It's amazing. Well it was I was.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
I moved to New York and my upstairs neighbor is
an amazing producer call Lauren Humphrey, and he said I
said to him. I was like, hey, dude, I had
this big sort of twelve hundred square foot loft that
I got off another musician friend of ours, and I said, hey, man,
do you have a doing one with an upright And
he goes, no, no, no. But I know poor Kostavi
is selling a grand He's a guy from a bank
called Colts.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
So I went up there.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
I wrote in the back the trunk of someone's like
Honda Odyssey, and went up there and checked out this
piano and it's probably. You know, I can't remember what
it was worth, but you know, he said to me,
and he was, so he's the best.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
I love Paul.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
And he was like, I probably need four grand for it,
and I think I said. I was like, well, I've
got three thousand in my bank account. This is everything
I had, and I just I just paid rent, so
I had and it was cheap back then, and I said,
I'll give you two. So I gave him two thousand
dollars for this piano. And then luckily I had a
freight elevator. I was on tour when they put it
up there. So I got home and all I had

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in my bedroom I'm not even drinking. I had a bed,
it's tempopedic mattress and a shag rug and this piano
and that was it. There was nothing in there. It
looked like and people would come over and it was like,
is this an art installation? Like this is literally what
it looked like. So but I was happy then, you know, like,
and I had an ashtray full of cigarette butts. I
used to smoke like a chimney and I would just
sit there. I was really good at piano for that
year because all I would do was sit around and

(22:30):
play piano. So like that was like my best bowhome impression.
You know, you live now in Los Angeles. What's the
difference you think in the vibe between New York and LA.
My daughter's just moved to New York. She's twenty one,
she's just out of college. She's living in Murray Hill.
And I am all I ever wanted to do. When
I was twenty one years old was living in New
York City. So I am living vicariously through being young.

(22:53):
Living in Manhattan.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
You got to do it young, you have to.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Manhattan has a very specific feel and buzz to it.
I've never lived in New York City, but I lived
in LA and LA has a completely different vibe as well. Yeah,
And I think people in LA look at New York
like it's another planet, and people in New York look
at LA like it's another planet. Yeah, but what do
you feel is kind of idiosyncratic about living in New

(23:18):
York and then living in LA.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
I think it's it's tough. I've seen people come and go.
I've come and gone a couple of times in New York,
but New York's my favorite place in the whole world.
I think it's because you've got like, you know, the population,
you know, three quarters of the population of Australia living
on an island that's eleven miles long.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
And then when you count all.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
The burrows, I think it's what is it, twenty something
a million people and you've got everyone all these walks
of life living on top of each other.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
You feel it.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
You can in New York. You can feel in the
city and you can feel the pace.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
And I think, like we always just say the rules
are like ten years sandy or nine to eleven, and
you're kind of in New Yorker like, and I sort
of consider myself part of that DNA. But I feel
like it's like everyone's very everyone in LA. And I
don't like shitting on LA, but I do sometimes because
I feel like everyone's nice, but they're not necessarily kind,

(24:09):
whereas no one in New York is nice, but they're
very kind. Like you can always sell when someone's from
LA and they moved to New York or not from
New York and they move, they're out in the morning.
I think christ To Stephano, amazing comedian, talks about this,
where people go like you're in the coffee shop, and
I used to go in if I have to wait
more than five seconds. There is Oslo, this coffee shop
across the road from my apartment on West tenth Street.
I'd walk in there and they would start making it
for me while I was in the line, and I'd

(24:30):
grab out and go thanks guys, and I would walk
out of there. And then Christi Stefano makes a joke
that everyone's like, if you got someone who's like, hy,
good morning, You're like, don't talk. We're not talking here,
give you the coffee. Go back it, Like I just
I came out here to get cofee. I'm not having
a great conversation. Whereas you know, New Yorkers can be
very harsh.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Rule them too.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
Don't even get in the way of New Yorker while
they're walking. You have people go like, hey, can I
talk to you for a second, like get the out
of my way. But New Yorkers are very kind in
the way that like if you're running towards an elevator,
they'll hold the door open because they know we're all
in the same boat together or the subway, you know,
and we're all in the same boat and we all need.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
To help each other. Out.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
I feel like everyone really cares deep down, everyone really
cares for everybody in New York.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
And I think that's what I like the most about it.
I'm there.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Obviously, if you're a golfer, you want to win a major,
and I think a lot of people the Masters would
be the holy grail of that. As a band is
headlining Glastonbury the top of the mountain, Yes, but without
a doubt, without a doubt.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
I wrote an article a couple of years ago for
publication for Monster Children. It was called, Wasn't the greatest
festival in the mouth, It wasn't the greatest show on Earth.
It's the greatest place on earth. It's my favorite place.
I've never felt anything like I have when I've played
Glastonbury being at Glastonbury. I go every year, whether I'm
playing or not. It's just there's like myths about it
because the festival is never moved. It sits in between

(25:46):
these two lay lines, these religious lay lines, and it's
just something about it's still non for profit, like the
Eves family have been running that for fifty years now,
fifty one years now. And yeah, Glastonbury is for me anyway.
I mean, I could take or leave a Grammy. But
playing Glastonbury is Headlining Glastonbury is probably the greatest, one
of the greatest things I've ever done in my life,
if not the greatest.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
You know, I told you yesterday I watched the YouTube
of when you all played Glastonbury Let it Happen the
first I mean, it is so.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Good, Like it's so good, it's fun.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
It's fun. I mean like that's like the feeling you get.
And I remember Kevin, one of my best friends, the
mother of my godson, Gillian.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
She's she's been going since she was thirteen.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
She's from England, and she said Kevin was there and
she and we were like, we're going to headline Glassy
and Kevin, I think he did something like I don't
even really know what to say. And Gillian, who was
backstage with us is one of my best friends, turned
to Kevin and says, just say Glastonbury at the top
of your lungs, and sure enough he gets out there.
It was like midway through I would have been let
it happen or whatever we'd opened with them.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
We've played a bunch of times. I can't remeber which
time it was that Kevin just goes glasson bray and
the crowd just goes and then it works.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
So when I watched, he's like, wow, look at this.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Yeah, but it was like, oh yeah, it's I mean,
it's like it's a magical feeling. Like I was just
talking about it with Christian Crosby. They're one of the
hosts for Live and just that feeling you get when
you're when you're on the grounds that you get we get,
really I get excited a week out from Glastonbury and
the crowd when they paying respect to one of your
favorite songs. You'll see like five or six at night,

(27:19):
five or six flares will go up in the crowd,
and it's just this kind of everyone's there. No one's
there for Instagram, no one's there for you know, there's
none of that. Everyone you bring your wellies and you
bring your barber coat and you you know, just and
you're out there with your friends and it's still I
don't know, it's I could go on for hours. If
you've got to stop me talking about Glastonbury, I'll just
keep going.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
For those of us that are not rock stars, like
and not in a band, what is it like when
you play a song and the crowd. Really that's to me,
that to me would probably have to be the it could.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
It's got to be the coolest feeling.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
Yeah, I mean it's like when you play in Latin America,
it's like they sing the lyrics back to you as
loud as you're playing it, like when you're in Buenos
Aires or Brazil or Mexico, like Mexico City. We played
a massive show in Mexico a couple of years ago,
and it's yeah, I mean it's like it's you don't
really sort of think about it until it happens, but yeah,
it's stuff that you it's memories that you take.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
You make eye contact with people in your crowd while
you're playing. Are you watching?

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Absolutely? Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah, especially like I'm like where I sit. I sort
of sit in the background next to Julian and I
have a I have a really great vantage point actually,
so I can I can kind of see the people
in the front row and I don't know, it sounds
a bit cheesy, but you know, you make eye contact
with someone and like you can kind of thumbs them
up or you know, if you have that just must
make them So yeah, the joy is like that's I
think that's why you do it. It's like it's cheesy

(28:44):
as it sounds. It's like it's you perform because you
it's it's got it ends up having at that level
when they're singing back to you, It's got nothing to
do with you. It's got to do with making them happy,
you know. Performing Making their day is kind of that's
what you kind of feed off. And it sounds for
me anyway, like it's like it sounds so stupid, but
it's like it becomes very I feel like it becomes

(29:04):
very selfless.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
At that point.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
You're kind of like, what do I do to make
sure that you guys are having the best time. It's
not like clap for me, but it's like I want
you to have a great time. I mean the byproduct is, yeah,
you have one hundred thousand people singing along to one
of your songs, But you know, it's more like I
feel like in those moments, I get so excited to
make them feel great.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
You know. Last music question, because I could literally do
a four hour podcast about team and polin music. What's
your favorite song to play live?

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (29:32):
Let it happened? Yeah, Yeah, it's definitely that. How did
that song come about that or Elephant. I mean, they're
both fun to play, but I remember Kevin working on it.
I had moved to the States, I think I think
I'd moved to the States. Yeah, And we hadn't put
out Currents yet. Pretty soon after I joined the band
in probably in twenty thirteen or something like that. And

(29:53):
I remember were driving to this music store to go
pick up something for the studio, and he goes, what
do you think of this? And he showed me like,
let it the like the bones or like probably it
was probably half cooked version of and I just and
if you think about that song, it's so obvious.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
When you hear it.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
Now, when you hear that song about all the different
stages and chapters. So you were listening in the car, Yeah, yeah,
it's the best. It's you always do the car test.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
But once the movie, once they make the record, you know,
they go into the studio and everything, and they he's like,
all right, we got to do the car test always,
and then you go in.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
You have to have to do the car test. There's
there's rules to the two things. On a team to
set the last thing and saying about music. I remember
him showing it to me, and I was like and
it was just so unique and so and it was
really when I went like whoa, and he'd already done.
If you think about it, Elephant feels like we only
go backwards and da da da da da. But the
first time I ever heard that, I was like, Wow,
this is like so different. And I was like in

(30:48):
the back of my mind. And I've said this to
his face a couple of times, probably upset him as well,
like a couple I was like, is this gonna work?

Speaker 2 (30:54):
But that's that's what takes. That's what great artists are.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
They're brave and they go on fearlessly into the thing
that makes them feel great. They make it for themselves.
I've never had that much as much artistry as someone
like a Kevin Parker, but it's like it takes extreme,
extreme bravery to do that. Think about like the success
of a song like Elephant and the difference between that
and let It Happen. They're two completely different speeds songs.

(31:17):
If you think about it, one is like cocaine Sabbath
and the other one is like this sort of odyssey
that ends up sounding like a dance song, you know,
And so you've got to that's that's the genius. That's
why he's amazing, because he's sort of like he would
never admit it. I've said that to him, like you're
incredibly patient and incredibly brave at what he does. So
I remember hearing that and just going like, wow, I

(31:37):
don't know if it's going to work, but I trust you,
so yeah, I think it's great.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
And then back to the core test. What is the
core test for a musician?

Speaker 3 (31:45):
You get to experience what everyone else gets. You can
drive them down wherever you are, it's at the highway
or the avenue or whatever, and you're blasting it.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
You're like, does this feel good? This feels good?

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Right, put the windows down, let's go just see how
this sounds, see how it feels in the car.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
I think it's that.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
And I always say when people are naming bands, before
you decide on it, you've got to ask yourself two things,
and you go, ah, hello, we are x whatever whatever
it is, and are you going to see whatever? And
if it passed those two things, and you can call
your van manet.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
That's what I think.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Back to golf, you're in the golf space now, and
talk to me about what you're trying to do and
what you want to try and do in golf.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
I mean, I just think golf has created such a
like I said, a stabilizing thing in my life unintentionally,
Like I didn't. I didn't think I'd end up back
in the golf space. If you told me six years
ago that I'd be back playing golf, if you told
me that I'd be sitting and doing a podcast with
Claude Harmon, you know, six years ago, I would have
said bullshit.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
You know.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
So you know, I think golf what i've the fade,
the company that I've just sort of founded over the
last year. I want people to be able to look
in on golf and see it asuse of create these
little like quote unquote on ramps by creating two golf
and the right kind of on ramp I think, and
the right sort of vend diagram. I think about lifestyle,
I think about culture, and I think about performance in

(33:07):
your life.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
You know, there's a lot of there's a lot of.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
I mean, I mean, I love the Bobdos sports guys,
and I love the barstool guys. I think they're incredible,
Like that's one style of golf and the way they
talk about golf, a lot of punditry, a lot of instruction,
a lot of gear reviews and things like that. And
then on the other end of there's a lot of
biohacking when you have two men's other men's interests. Whereas
I just think, if I can help everyone get not
in a preachy way, but it's twenty percent better at

(33:32):
everything that they do. Like if I talk to you
about you know, we were talking about cycling, ass say,
one of my best friends is an amazing cyclist. If
I can ask a cyclist what they get out of
golf and why they love golf and the allegories, because
I think there's so many allegories between life and golf
that nobody thinks about. That's when I started writing about.
Like if I think about just the last three or
four articles that I wrote about golf, which turned into

(33:54):
podcasts where like, you know, a game of millimeters, think
about there's a hole in the ground five hundred and
fifty yards away and you've only got five shots to
get it in there. Like that sounds ridiculous, but you know,
and like a one millimeter part a tap in because
you've lipped something out, is the same number of points
as the three hundred and twenty yard drive that you
just busted down the fairway. I was just saying to Christian, like,

(34:16):
you can tell me, I think the other thing. I'm
rambling a little bit, but I'll land the plane in
a second. Think about this like golf a round of golf.
For me, it's this journey that's for you. The only
thing that anybody else cares about is the number you
go on this saga. You were behind the tree, you
were in the trap, you were in the fairway, doing
all this stuff, and you I can tell you all these,
like you know, fishing stories about golf. At the end

(34:37):
of the day, you're going to look at me like
a would you shoot? So there's a finite thing to
golf like I love storytelling, don't get me wrong, but
I think I love the finite number of golf of
self betterment. And it's like the only game in the
world where we actively make it harder for ourselves as
we get better. I'm going to go further back if
you and me go play golf tomorrow and someone turns
to us and goes the greens are so firm, so fast,

(34:59):
because is playing so tough and they grew the rough up.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
You and me get excited by that.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
We get excited by how hard it's going to be
and the challenge, and it's it's the only game of
the where where we like, we welcome the adversity. So
I think there's so much allegory to life, and so
every now and again, like that's why I started Words
for the Weekend was the first thing I did. These
weekly articles I was writing on the Fade just became Yeah,
I just started seeing all these big crossovers between golf

(35:25):
and life, and I think I'd love to share that
with a demographic of people that love golf, and it
just gets typecast this thing it's for old, fat, white guys,
And I think it's the game is changing and evolving.
Look where we are, like we're sitting at a live
golf event. You know, it's one of the most disruptive
things that's ever happened to golf. But you know where
it comes out is we will never know. Nobody knows

(35:45):
at this point, but I don't know. That's That's what
I'm trying to do with the Fade, trying to create
some culture around the game and the right type of
culture and I.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Think right now we're at a really interesting time kind
of retro golf fashion, the stuff that Steve Marlbarne's doing.
Our friend John, he's big, he's doing retro kind of
stuff for foot Joy. And I think there are these.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yes by John Mimi all Week.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
There are these people that are kind of they love golf,
but they're kind of in like a cool hip world.
I mean the fact that everybody's freaking out about Jason
Day what he's dressed like, I'm like, that's the way
my dad dressed when he played the PGA Tour, right,
that's all the clothes that he wore.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Favorite golf courses, My favorite golf courses, Fish's Island, this
is probably at the top of my list. Friend of mine,
Mateo Birrs, remember out there and he I met him
at the Bill Murray Caddyshack Tournament about five years ago
when I got back.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Into Grandfather might have the course record at Fisher's Island.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Oh really, I think he's got one of these.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
I mean Seminal obviously he's got the course record.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
They're sixty.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
He's got sixty one on both courses at Wingfoot, But
I think Fisher's Island he might have sixty or sixty
one at that. I don't know why that rings a
bell in my head.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Wingfoot's on my list. I've never played wing Foot. I'd
say it's fishes. Love National Golf Links of America. That's
just a dream and like just and the challenge, that's
what I need. I feel like who designed that course?
I'm I don't know someone's gonna like tweet at me
saying how stupid, how stupid I am for not known,
but I love National Golf Links.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Have you done any of the Core Crunchhaw, Friar's Head,
sand Hills, any of that stuff?

Speaker 2 (37:21):
No?

Speaker 3 (37:21):
No, I mean, like, like I said, I only got
back into golf about five years ago, and I've only
just started playing that tier of sort of golf courses
in the last like two or three.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
You played the Midam last year, Yeah, Yeah, I played it.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
I played at elmcrest and the qualifier and missed by
a shot bergie the last three hundred and twenty yard
part four I should have hit a part four iron
down there or maybe it's three fifty and then got
it on the green and I missed by a shot.
I think qualifying you figured just smoke driver and yeah,
and pulled it onto the range and made burgie and yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
No.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
So I've started playing competitively again. I mean golf for me,
that's what I mean. It keeps me really self accountable,
keeps my mind in the right place. If I want
to play great golf, I have to really really I
like I said, it's like planning. I have to plan things.
I have to check my ego at the door. I
play so much a ballet country club. The part five
there is at fourteen just absolutely torments me because it's

(38:11):
it's a fading hole. I hit a draw, you know,
I fly my driver what three ten maybe three fifteen,
So I can't really like, I can't hit driver up
the right hand side because everything is going to run
down into the water. If I hit a draw, it's
going to run into that water. So I'd have to
hit a cut, which I'd struggle with. If I hit
it straight, it's going to go in the water. Then
even if I do hit a good drive, I've still
got to hit like a I've still got a two
hundred and forty yard shot in and there's like about

(38:32):
six feet in front of that green. But my ego
wants to get let me get on the green. It's
all running downhill, down green. What I really should do
is it a three iron, a three iron, A love
words and trying to make birdie.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Or five at worse and then get the buck out
of there. But I can't.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
So like, golf keeps me very humble, and I think
it'll continue to do that for like forever. So like
and the whole comeback thing that we're doing now.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
So talk about the combat.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
Okay, what I'm doing at here is I think with
the help of people like yourself and some of the
best players in the world, I can get to a
level where I can compete it at least US amateur level,
because when I know when I'm playing well, I know
I can feel it again. I can feel that it
was like playing in that USGA event last year. Was
it was like holding onto an electric fence and I
loved it, you know. So I love that feeling of

(39:14):
competing again. So basically this year I'll be out with
I'm aiming to be out at every live event with
a live team and they you know, like this week
I played I had a putting lesson with Herbert on
Tuesday with Lucas Herbert from Ripeater Smith Cam Smith Team
rep A GC and then I got to play with
Bryson de Shamba the next day, which you think about that,

(39:36):
I've never seen anyone with such a low spin rate
control a ball that's traveling three hundred and twenty yards
in the year.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
I was like, it looks like it's fake.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
Just the first thing I said to him, And you know,
he loves talking numbers, and I was like, what is
that spin rate on that driver?

Speaker 2 (39:47):
He's like, I don't know, like two thousand, and I
was like, that's nuts.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
DJ's around the same. DJ when he plays his best,
it's kind of under twenty two hundred. He's like eighteen
hundred to twenty two hundred's the sweet.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Such as knuckling, Well, just what they do, right, It's just.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
The way that you know their kind of movement. You know,
DJ's got you know, really flat little the boat lefters,
but then he threw impact. He's got what the move
they call the cobra where he's got a lot of
forward chafflin and then after that, but yeah, and where
Brooks is kind of in that twenty five to twenty
six range. So everybody's ballflight's different. It's been fascinating to

(40:20):
watch Bryson kind of change his public persona. You know,
he's become a fan favorite. And when he came out
on tour, he was really divisive and he was kind
of the odd ball, like nobody could really relate to him.
He had these weird clubs, he had all this stuff.

(40:40):
What do you like about it?

Speaker 3 (40:41):
What do I like about Bryson? His attention to detail,
his anything. Man, I've spent my life around you know.
The mixing engineer who helped Kevin mix the first two
albums said, the changes that you were making, Dave Fridman
said this. He said, Kevin, the changes you are making
is like changing taking a piece of lint off the
back of the sun.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
That's what he said.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
And I think Bryson does that, and I think it's
because his attention to detail has got to do with him.
He needs to make those checks and balances in order
for him to be mentally in the right place to
play the game. And that's your thing, man, that's swing.
I wrote a thing called swing your swing. You've got
to be able to do what you need to do
to win, like whatever your tick is, and like him
being that obsessive, compulsive about you know, soaking his golf

(41:21):
balls and have some salts, and his attention to detail
is is phenomenal. I wish I could have that much intention.
I'm more of like a feel kind of guy. I'm
a bit robotic with my golf swing. Herbie was trying
to get me to use even more feel with my putting.
He's like, you're very artistic and everything else you do
in your life except.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
For you're trying to paint by numbers when you put Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Well that's what I mean.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
He was trying to get me to He's like, embrace
that sort of artistic side where.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
He's stopped trying to be so rigid.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
You know, that's the reason why you're probably missing putts,
because you're thinking about what's going on at your feet
instead of what's going on up at the holt. He
was trying to get me to work on capture speed.
It's like, do you want it to hit the back
of the cup or do you want it to fall
in the front, things like that, because it changes your entire.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Part capture speed. I've never heard anyone say that about
that concept of speed control. We call it speed control. Yeah,
distance control but capture speed is a really really interesting
kind of way to talk about putting. Yeah, because the
hall is capturing the ball.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
Yeah, I'd never heard it before, and I was like, hmm,
capture speed. So I was working with Herbie. I was
working with him on capture speed earlier this week. But
I mean, bryceon you can just see that. I mean,
he's he's so athletic. The exploit where I was talking
to him about the other sports he said, I played
volleyball when I was young. I was like, that's going
to help you with your fast witch stuff I was
talking with about. Nearly every sport he did was like
an explosion.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
He was a long jumper, That's right.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
He was a long two explosion, which makes you and
that's what I have, Like I'm not a very good
long distance runner. I have a lot of fast switch
Like I boxed really good baseball player, and then golf
came really naturally to me because I could just swing
the golf club really fast and it was trying to
slow everything down.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
So Bryson, the most impressive thing is his like utter
attention to detail.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
And I always say, the best people at any job,
whether it's music or golf or motor sport or anything
like that.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Is your attention to intention how focused.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
You are and how intentionally you are being, the better
you're going to be at anything that you do.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Lastly, where can people find all the stuff you do? Obviously,
Team and Paula, how many records? How many albums?

Speaker 3 (43:12):
I should know this? We've had four. I think the
fifth one is the fifth one. Katy is probably working
on a fifth one right now, would imagine.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
And you do your own music as well, Spotify people
to find you that.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Yeah, I've been I'm working passively on an album right now.
I just had a meeting with my publisher the other day,
so I'll be putting out solo stuff over the next year.
I'm actually going to try and put something out in
the next month.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
The Fade people can find that.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
So the Fade we're sort of going out. You can see.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
The Fade is on Instagram. I have a sub stack.
The Fade dot com will probably up in the next
couple of months. It might be lived and how when
this is going to come out? But the Fade is
on Instagram. And The Comeback is the show that I've
been developing with Convicts, the production company from Australia, my
friend Pete made and Tom Law So I'm partnering.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
That's what I'm doing here this week.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
I'm partnering with Convicts Australia to work and The Fade
are getting together developed the show The Comeback.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
So because we're living in a great time for content, right,
there's so many different avenues for people to get whatever
content they want out. You can get it on YouTube
and get it on Instagram, I mean all the different channels.
I think there is a lot of content for people
that want to see maybe something different in the golf space.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Well, you're able to live. Especially.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
The best thing about the way that's going where content
and where consumption media consumption is going is you can
live in a niche within a niche, and I think
that's the best thing about it. Like, I'm a bass
player who also likes playing golf, So that's the first
question I get asked when someone comes out here, they go,
like the guy from Taman Pilot as a scratch hand,
he gap, that's a bit weird, but you know that's
but And my voice, my voice in golf and in

(44:43):
the Fade, the Fades voice is very different to.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Your voice.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Anyone else's voice because you're talking a lot about more
instruction or like I'm going to go have a talk
to Jonah now and Joan is going to talk to
me about sports psychology. Mine comes from this sort of
cultural artistic side and how I think that can impact
your golf and impact your.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
Life frustrated art, fashion, music. So to get the opportunity
to speak with somebody like you is amazing. And when
I started the podcast, this was my idea. Yeah, I
want to talk to the best players in the world,
the best coaches in the world, the best caddies and
people in the golf space. But I'm fascinated how important
and how much a part of people's lives golf is

(45:22):
because I have to take time away from golf right
because it's so all encompassing for me.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Yeah, and it's like mad with music.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
John George, keyboard player for Rufus Dasol. I've been spending
some time with him. They're about to go on a
two year tour. Yeah, I've hooked him up with a
rap Sodo Launch monitor. He's got a net. He was
trying to get a simulator and he was like, the
roadies are like, dude, we're gonna have to tear this
thing down. Where's it gonna say? So? I got him
the rap Sodo, he's got the Bryson return net, he
got a matt and he's got a little iPad. And

(45:52):
I said, you can play golf courses. So he on
tour is going.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
To be taken. Man, I'm what's John, i'mna be hitting
you up, buddy.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
Let's play. Let's play. That's the best thing is the
last thing I'll finished. Like one of my best friends,
I've become really good friends with a guy called Dom
Cursier and he, you know, found Googenheim Bank. And we
were talking to each other the other day and Dom's
I think he's probably in his late fifties. And Dom's like,
in what world there's a guy who grew up you know,
lower middle class, you know, lower glower class, if I'm
being honest, in Australia from Perth, from Freemantle, Australia, and

(46:22):
someone like yourself who's very self major Cargan, who built
his way up into in what world do we see
eye to I? And we want to spend hours and
hours and hours and hours and hours of time together.
And I love picking his brain about work, you know,
but it all comes from this relationship we built around
playing golf. Let's go play golf and talk about whatever
we're going to talk about. And I think that's that's
the best thing. You would mean, the same thing it brings.

(46:43):
It makes the world a lot smaller when you play golf.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
I'll say that my wife's brother lives in Perth and
he's an avid golfer. So listen, man, really great to
talk to you. I'm excited to see all the cool
stuff you're doing and team and Pola is in heavy,
heavy rotation. Arena Alex one of the golfers I teach,
she just retired from the LPGA. She saw the picture
of you and I together, She's like, you're kidding me, right.

(47:07):
They're one of my favorite bands. So I've got a
lot of street credit for having you. And my daughter
is insanely jealous because she's like, you're gonna meet the
guy from Taman Paula.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Yeah, great talking to you. I thank thank you so much. Man.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
So that was Cameron Avery from tam and Paula And listen,
I could have talked to that guy all day. I mean,
you know, we share a passion for not only golf,
but music, art, fashion and stuff, and those are the
people that I absolutely love talking to because golf is
such an important part of everyone's life. And you know,
there are people that do other things and are famous

(47:41):
for other things. But to listen to to Cameron, I mean,
he only wanted to talk about golf and all I
want to do is talk about music. So really really
cool and uh, I think he's doing some cool stuff.
Check out the projects that he's got, check out the
music that he does, and I don't think you'll be disappointed.
So it was down at the Live event last week
in Adelaide, over one hundred thousand people and listen, it

(48:02):
was a great event. Dom Dalla one of the best
DJs on the planet right now. He played Friday night
and it was crazy. I got to give him a
golf lesson, which was pretty damn cool for me. I
gotta be honest with you. Fisher closed the show. The
golf course is great. A lot of unbelievable bunkering down
in Australia and listen to the fans came out and
it's the third year we've been down there. For the

(48:24):
people that are on the Live tour and it just
gets better and better. They announced the deal that they're
signing to twenty thirty one, and I think it just
shows that Australia is starving to see the best players
in the world, and hopefully the best players in the
world can get down there more often because it is
a very very cool place to go. I got to
do a dinner over at Royal Adelaide across the street

(48:45):
there's a train that goes through the middle of the
golf course and again it looks cool. The golf courses
down there are some of my favorites, and the bunkering
I think in Australia in the sand Belt golf courses
are some of the best anywhere in the world. So
really really cool week. And I can't say enough about
Ludwig Oberg winning at Torrey Pines and the Genesis Kids

(49:07):
stud I'd be absolutely shocked if he doesn't win a
major this year. I mean, that's how good the talent is.
We've had Joe Scavern on the podcast before, longtime caddy
for Ricky Fowler who's now caddying for Ludwig and see,
I think he's got one of the best golf swings
in the game. And I just think that the future
is beyond bright for Ludwig and I think you're going

(49:28):
to see him win majors. I think you're going to
continue to see him win big tournaments because with that
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