September 17, 2025 • 34 mins
In this special bonus episode, Jemele addresses the murder of right influencer Charlie Kirk, who was tragically killed while speaking to students at Utah Valley State University. Jemele shares what makes Kirk’s legacy so complicated, and what the response has been by different communities regarding his death.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
What's up? Everybody here with you?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
On what is a random live if you will. Normally
I like to give a little more time and notice
to do this, but I decided to kind of come
off the cup with this one because there were a
couple of things that were bothering me that were in
the atmosphere.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Number one that I want to address is.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
On Blue Sky, because honestly, I'm trying to spend as
limited time as possible on X on Twitter just because
I hate the energy there, and unfortunately, I'm saddled with
the fact that I have the most follower count on X,
so I don't really enjoy posting on X and I've
been trying to keep that kind of to a minimum
(00:55):
for some time now. You all know where the platform
has become. It's kind of toxic. I don't really fool
with it like that. But nevertheless, some of the thoughts
that I've had as the events have unfolded with Charlie
Kirk I posted on other platforms because it just feels
like the engagement is just.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
A little better, a little more genuine, if you will.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
No social media platform is perfect, that's for sure, but
it just feels a little differently dependent on what platform
we're talking about. Hence I'm on threads Blue Sky fan
base about to get myself stacked popping, so you all
watch for that. And so I posted a La Times
(01:42):
piece that was done in the form of TikTok on
social media where they talked to an expert, because once
it became known that Tyler Robinson, the man who killed
Charlie Kirk, murdered him cold blood right in front of
everybody at Utah Valley State, that there was some market
on the bullet casings that needed to be explained that
(02:02):
we're deeply apart as we know now part of online culture,
deeply embedded online culture, particularly for gamers.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
And so I.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Posted this piece by The Times where this woman is
explaining what this is and which gave us a little
bit more insight because gamer culture, I think those of
us who are sort of trying to be cognizant about
a lot of things that are happening now on social media,
there is a presence of white supremacy in gamer culture
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because of the chads and different stuff that's going on.
So I posted this and I said, man, this might
be a kind of white supremacy on white supremacy kind
of kind of issue here, because certainly, as we know
now that Charlie Kirk faced a lot of criticism. I mean,
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they were coming for him, hard folks like Nick Pointe's
who were quite disgusted by Charlie Kirk for whatever reason.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
I don't know, if it was a jealousy thing, I don't.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Know, then maybe my people, I have no idea, but
something was clearly going on there.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
And so you guys know, the last time I went.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Live, clearly disgusted and appalled about what happened by Charlie Kirk,
as in speaking for myself, but also thought that there
was room for a separate conversation about the fact that
there was this incredible effort being put forth to sanitize
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some of the things that he said. Even now a
few days later, it's funny how a lot of the
things that we can watch for ourselves, and I'm not
talking about watching snippets, see, I watched in full, so
I got the full context of a lot of the
things that Charlie Kirk used to say, and in the
moment when he said them, just because these things tended
to circulate and go viral, And it's funny how just
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in a few days, Charlie Kirk has become the most
misunderstood person ever for someone who made communicy he's for
his living that he made a living being a communicator,
being a podcaster, speaking and reaching new people. Suddenly everything
he ever said about race, about gender, all of that
was taken out of context.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
So it's kind of interesting how that happened.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
So I spoke to that while making it abundantly clear
that him being murdered publicly in such a violent fashion
was unacceptable, and.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
So I.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Clearly made the mistake and thinking we can't handle two
concepts at once. And so I got a lot of
you know, a lot of criticism, a lot of blowback,
a lot of people saying I was justifying, not justifying
that man, no matter what he said, does not deserve.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
To go out like that.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I think I made that very clear, and yet a
lot of people chose to misunderstand, which is their right
to do. And even when talking about the imprint culturally
that Charlie Kirk left with us, it is, you know, no,
(05:10):
I think it's fair to say like he left a
very distinct cultural imprint, and especially as it relates to
young conservatives, and so if you're a young conservative and
you're somebody who rocked with Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
You have the right to remember him however you want to.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
But there's your side, there's my side, and then there's
the truth. And we can see what his words were
for ourselves. And yeah, the people who rocked with them,
the people that consider themselves fans or believers or you know,
a part of his clique, they're allowed to remember him
however they want. I mean, that's the thing about legacy
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and kind of what I was saying before when I
did this live is that you know, you remember people
in totality, but how you remember them is definitely based
off your worldview.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
You know, there's many.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Complicated picture figures that we've seen when they've passed that
there are some people who grapple with what did that
person really mean?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
And I brought up the example of Queen Elizabeth for
that reason.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
There was certainly a huge swathe of people who were
appreciative of Queen Elizabeth, who.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Who really looked up to her, who celebrated her, But
there was another swathe of people who they felt like
her and what she represented.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Directly negatively impacted them because of British colonialism, and so
there were some Africans who felt away, who didn't feel
like that they had to celebrate her or didn't feel like.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
They had the mourner. And I think that's okay too,
there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
But what I do find to be distasteful in this
moment is that there's a lot of people. It's one
thing if you choose to mourn and reflect on Charlie
Kirk in the way that's more positively than others, that
is your right to do. It's another thing where you're
forcing people to remember somebody a certain way that they
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don't want to remember them. It's okay, they're not.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
So this whole this sudden.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Bullying until you have to remember Charlie Kirk as being
this Christian man and who you know, all these positive things,
you're bullying people to feel something that they don't feel. Okay,
And unequivocally I find that discharged from the right about
people celebrating his death. Yes, there are some assholes who
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definitely did that, and that was distasteful, and that was disrespectful.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
And in humane.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
But because you actually had the nerve to remember some
of the harmful things that he said suddenly. That meant
they equated that to celebrating his death, and that's not
what was happening there. I saw more universal agreement that
what happened to him was fucked up than I did.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Seeing people celebrate them.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
It's gonna always be crass people that make crash jokes
in serious situations. But I think I don't think I'm
wrong here by saying the majority of people found it
to be unacceptable. And so it is so that the
right trying to perpetually put themselves in this whole victimhood
and grievance is like really fascinating to me, because literally
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every important political figure on the.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Democratic side all said the same thing.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, everybody that whose position matters,
all of them said routinely that this was unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Political violence is unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I mean, it's unacceptable, but here we have a whole
history to tell it's tolerated.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Unfortunately, So.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I don't even know where this whole sentiment came from
that there was this widespread celebration based off how people
on social media behave to me what matters.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
And this is not to.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Say that people on social media don't have a voice
in the right to feel how they feel they do
as well. But to me, a lot of this was
created outrage over nothing. It's like, yeah, every time, you're
gonna get that. Meanwhile, when you compared it to Nancy
Pelosi and her husband when he was attacked, you had
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people in pretty important positions, Donald Trump Junior Donald Trump
who were saying what would be considered celebrating political violence.
So I'm not talking about internet trolls and random faceless
people on social media with dog photos and Oakley's and
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and Team.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
USA like, I'm not talking about them.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I'm talking about the people who have positions of influence
that matter and widespread.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
It was pretty clear that when that happened, y'all had jokes.
Y'all had a lot of jokes. And even.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
If you want to put George Floyd's murder in this
camp as well, is.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
A lot of people in pretty big parts and pretty big.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Influential pedestals had a lot to say about George Floyd
that was negative, that was.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Disrespectful. George Floyd had kids, you.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Know all those things that we're hearing now about all
you want to say that because Charlie Kirk has kids
and a White, George Floyd, that family as well.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
So I'm not saying that there has not been.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
On the left distasteful things and that they have not
also engaged in political violence or being inhumane in times
of tragedy, But the right now all of a sudden saying,
oh no, it's all on the left. It's nobody on
the right, like, hey, guys, we got too many receipts.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
We see you, we see you.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
So I think that's the part that people are pushing
back on, is them using the murder of this man
to hijack a narrative, and unfortunately not just hijacking narrative,
but now, if you're watching real closely, now they're going
to use this as a suppression of resistance and free speech,
which is really ironic since Charlie Kirk himself said that
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hate speech, all different kinds of speech are all covered
and protected under free speech.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Oh my god, I find that was something Charlie and
I actually.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Agreed on, all right, But suddenly y'all want to change
the rules because you don't like what's being said.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
So there's that part of it. Now.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Today in Utah, we got a little more insight into
why Tyler Robinson did what he did, and I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
That we were ever fully understand it.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
And I came to an understanding and I wanted to
come to this form in this platform.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Who I'm knocking my mic down?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I wanted to come to this form in this platform
to say this, this is what happens when you talk
with their hands.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Is that. I think a lot of people on both.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Sides, and I'll put myself in that I'm not going
to absolve myself any of any responsibility got some things wrong,
because here's something that maybe we should face is that
politically the person who committed this doesn't fit in either camp.
You know, we found out from the Utah prosecutor that,
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you know, even though some of his family said that
politically he was changing. I mean, I don't know what
that means, because we do have people who take bits
and pieces from both the left and the right, and
that's what makes whatever's their political consciousness. From what we see,
this dude never even voted. But immediately I think what
(13:14):
I certainly push back on when this first happened is
immediately they branded him as big a far left radical.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
It's like, are we sure and if the.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
If the pushback is that, well, he's got to be
because his parents are maga, you know, given what we
know of their beliefs, and there seem to be some
level of tension there from what we know, from what
the you know, from what we've been able to learn
through confirmed reporting. You know, there's a lot of people
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who consider themselves Republican. They don't necessarily fuck with Maga.
So what I'm saying is that there is even room
for that nuance and whatever is. All of a sudden
you got people saying, well, he was radicalized in college
at a trade school.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
I mean, like, what.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
We forget that we have this humongous online culture of
social media that you could not even go to anybody's
college and you could come online and whatever it is
is bubbling as part of your belief system. You can
find a group to join, something to confirm it. And unfortunately,
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because there's not a lot of guardrails on social.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Media, you can.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Find a tribe of people who might encourage you to
go further and go to a dangerous place. And then
suddenly there's going to be this conversation about his sexuality,
which I don't it's not on me to define that. Yes,
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he had a roommate that was transitioning who is trans
and they were in a romantic relationship. This is a
fact that was confirmed today by the Utah prosecutor.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
And I see a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
On the right who are saying, well, all that means
he was a leftist. Hey, I'm gonna say this, and
I'm gonna hold your hand.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
There's gay Republicans. There are gay people in the far
right movement.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
And I don't even want to call him far right
because frankly, I don't know that we know left or right.
And it made me slow down because I try my
best not to get caught up in the caught up
in I'm caught up in our division because we at
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this point we have no choice to be. But I
don't want to see the world as so binary that
it's always left to right.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Hell, I don't even fit into I know, I.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Don't fit to the right for sure, and I don't
even fit into everything on the left. Well, I wouldn't
necessarily call myself independent because you know, at this point,
with this current state and iteration of what the Republican
Party is, I can't imagine myself voting for anybody on
that side of things. So, yeah, some of us don't
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comfortably fit into a particular political circle. We may take
bits and pieces of everything, and maybe that's the part
of this, that's the learn as they say in corporate culture,
for all of this. And so I will willingly, you know,
throw myself on the front and say like, yeah, as
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we were learning more details, certain boxes were getting checked,
even in my mind, and I made that publicly clear.
I was like, oh, utah, white, Okay, conservative parents, Okay,
we see where this was going.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
And again some of it would it's just like, oh.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Okay, they're trying really hard to make him fit into
the narrative, like he's a leftist. And now that it's
the old adage that we hear time and again that
the truth is somewhere in the middle, and I think
those on the left end the right might need to
face that that's the real thing here.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
The truth is somewhere in the middle. And so.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
What I'm more concerned is is how this entire, ugly
chapter will be weaponized against the wrong people.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
And as soon as.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
The authorities confirm that he had a romantic relationship with
his roommate, who is a member of the trans community,
we already know where that's going. Even though, lets everybody
be clear, his roommate has fully cooperated with the police.
His roommate had no idea that this was happening, none whatsoever.
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But there's going to be a level of blame that
is put on that community, especially since a lot of
people on the right.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Have framed being trans.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Being near or adjacent or in touch with that community
in any way is like guilt by association, not necessarily
with being trans, but because they have so associated that
with having a mental illness of some kind, like, oh,
he was, he's been indoctrinated.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
It's just like what And it's funny.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
It's interesting how people think about that indoctrination, because I
often think it's pretty comical how people will somebody who
becomes a part of the camer community, born a part
of the camer community, or whatever, at whatever point that
they will are in the community, they will have by
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that time, whatever, whenever they come out, will have undergone
and have seen a lot of for lack of a
better way to put it, heterosexual programming, heterosexuals everywhere on TV,
social media, all around, like we're a strong heteronormative society,
and they obviously will still feel like that doesn't represent
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who they actually are.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
And yet we have this way of.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Treating being a part of the queer community like as
a disease, like as soon as you.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Touch it, you're gonna be one. It's like, what, So,
let me get this straight.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
All the that should let you know, all the hetero
programming that goes on in a person's life that didn't
influence them in any way to be different than the
person they feel like they really are. But let you
touch the hem of a gay person's role and it's over.
Don't understand it. So anyway, I say all this to
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say that, yeah, I will willingly admit it and apologize.
I even rushed to judgment.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
And now that I've been able to soak in all
this information.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
And that we're learning more from the actual authorities who
are actually doing the investigating, it occurred to me like, oh.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
The truth is literally in the middle.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
So yeah, now real quick, because I think you guys
probably saw it in the description and you may have
even seen me in telling people on threads that I
was going to go live. I mentioned that I wanted
to read somebody for filth that's coming, trust me, But
real quick, and to pivot off this Charlie Kirk thing,
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I want to say a few words about Trey Reid.
Trey Reid, as we know right now, he is the
black student who went to Delta State University body found
hanging from a tree of Mississippi. We know all the
boxes in our mind. I was just talking about boxes
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that are being checked. We know all the boxes that
are being checked. And because Mississippi, as we know, has
a pretty nasty history when it comes to lynching black
people in particular, and so as we're trying to figure
out what's really going.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
On, a lot of people are asking questions.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Number One, I want to mention it because I think
it needs to be in the news more. I think
this is something that should be national news.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
That's number one.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
But beyond that, I do I have seen commentary our community,
from the black community that says like we.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
You know, we we don't hang ourselves.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
And I'm stuck on that because I'm looking at the
police have rooted.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
A suicide or did rut it a suicide?
Speaker 2 (22:18):
But I think they're doing some further investigation, and I
think most of us, that's all we're asking is like
do a thorough investigation, because the optics of this don't
look like what you all have described what happened. But
I do think we need to be careful in this
moment because the suicide rate among black men is something
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that is a real issue, and so when we say
stuff like we don't do stuff like that, that's putting
a stigma on something on a mental health issue that.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Not all of us fully.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Really grasp because you know, mental health and black men
is a real It's something that's really serious. And I'm
very glad that compared to when I grew up, the
stigma around mental health, while it hasn't completely disappeared, we're
in a much healthier place in discussing the importance of
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mental health in the black community, because I think for
a long time, the thinking was that black people didn't
even have the luxury to think about such things because
of the weight of the world. And so I would
caution as we're trying to figure out what really happened
to Trey Read and the authorities now that there is
more national attention on this, and I'm hoping because there
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is more scrutiny, that this will this will motivate the
authorities in Mississippi to move in a way with justice
in mind and move against what is the narrative of
their history frankly when it comes to situations and cases
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like this.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
But also.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Need to be aware that because the suicide rates look
like what they do among black men, that when we
say stuff like we don't do stuff like that, that's
again going with that stigma that we are trying to
get away from so that we could create a community
of safety, so that when people are experiencing thoughts about
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suicide and dealing with their mental health, that they won't
feel like, oh, this makes me abnormal, because black people
aren't supposed to feel this way.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
We're human beings. We don't feel how we feel. And
so I just.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Wanted to say that on top of just being among
another media person who is surfacing the fact that this
story deserves more attention, it deserves to be looked in,
and it certainly deserves more scrutiny. Now let me get
to this read. So I saw that Megan Kelly no
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friend of mine. I'm no friend to hers. I don't
even like her. I don't know her. Actually the last
time I saw Megan Kelly. Here's what's so funny. Last
time I saw Megan Kelly, this would have been when
Obama was still in the White House. I cannot remember
if it was first term or second term. I want
to say it was second term. I'm pretty sure it
was second term. Now that I think about it, I'm
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pretty sure it was. But either way, I saw Megan
Kelly at the White House and it really got me
to thinking. I saw her from a distance. I didn't
go up to I don't know this woman, so you know,
of course, she was still at Fox, very aware of
what her reputation was in terms of what she contributed
as a journalist. But what I found so interesting is
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when I saw the White House, it was during the
time of year. It was the holiday season, and what
happens is during the holiday season, White House has a
bunch of parties. There's different groups every night, Like one
night it might be media members, one night it might
be entertainers. Another night it could be a mixture of
the two. Is different audiences, So it was a lot
of media members. This was like, I guess, the media
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version of the Obama's holiday party when they invite people
from both sides of the aisle come there, and sometimes
the President is there and First Lady sometimes or not.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
On this night, they were.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
There, and I remember seeing Megan Kelly in the receiving
line to get a picture with the Obamas, and I
thought that was super interesting because I was thinking, now,
don't you sping pretty much your whole damn broadcast talking
about how this man ain't shit?
Speaker 1 (26:35):
And here you are aligning up to go.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
And that's when I knew, like, oh, for a lot
of people that are in our business, and especially who
are in the position of being considered to be conservative commentators,
a lot of that shit is fake. I was like, oh,
this is like w w in to them. This is
like wrestling where they like playing a character. See what
you see here is for real, Like this is why
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I am. Whether I'm talking to you on YouTube, boyd,
y'all catch me out in the street, I'm the same person,
and a lot of them can't say that.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
And so I was really.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
I was really taken aback and I was like, oh,
I got it. That's the game, peep it right. All
that being said, so, over the course of the years,
Megan Kelly has often had a lot of words for me,
a lot of words about me. I generally try to
keep her name out of her out of my mouth,
because I.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Don't like to amplify the thoughts of stupid people.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
But all that being said, this time I'm gonna make
an exception and I'm gonna tell you why. But first,
let me play the clip of what Meghan Kelly had
to say about me.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
It all wrong. Here's this jerk top fifteen.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Of course, as you all know, in the wake of
Charlie's murder, there was an incredible amount of angry discourse
from the right, blaming the Democrats, blaming liberals, saying you're
the reason this happened. Only to find out, surprise, twenty
two year old white dude loved guns, raised.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
By two parents, lived in a good home. Dad as
a minister. Also a share of didn't check it in
the boxes, y'all thought even checked diddy.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Okay, first of all, a code of mascara would be
your friend. I'm just going to tell this to you,
woman to woman on television.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
You need a.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Little work and you should have them back off the
camera a little bit because you are not attractive enough
to have that extreme close up.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Push away your.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Laptop, jameel and add a filter or two honestly, like,
we actually don't use any on this show, because I
do put on makeup so I look presentable. But you
need work because you can't both be ugly on the
outside and the inside.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
You need to choose one. Oh so she went there.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Now, Generally, when I come back as somebody, especially as
a woman, because I'm very aware and Megan, here you
go all yep, all up in there, get a looking
at uh this non mascara face. That's what you call
natural beauty. You wouldn't know shit about that.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
I know.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
So generally, when I attack somebody for their words, their ideas,
I typically, especially dealing with women, especially dealing with women
on TV, I never.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Say shit about their looks.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
And the reason I don't say anything about their looks
is because this is something that women in television often
have to deal with. Is us being criticized by our
looks back rather than how will we do the job,
how well we speak about issues, how will we control
a broadcast? Like that's usually put to the side and
people judge us based off how we look.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
But I wouldn't expect.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Somebody like you to get that, because that would actually
require your dumb ass to critically think for one of
your life, which we know you don't do, and that
is why.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
I chose to respond. And I'm sorry that.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
You up there, however old you are looking twice as
old as you actually are. My bad, you know, because
that's the thing about the way this melanine is working
in this body. You don't know if I'm twenty eight,
thirty eight, forty eight, fifty eight sixty eight, and I'm
proud to come on live and present myself as I
am in my natural state because I'm not ashamed of
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what I look like. I don't begrudge any woman that
uses makeup, not at all. I use makeup.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
I'm on TV.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
I do that.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Right, That's a part of our job. That's what we do.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
And so your advice to me is to get some
mass scared of my advice to use to actually get
a personality in a persona that doesn't always make you
look like a racist, at a bigot and trash.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I'm comfortable where I am and what I've done.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
You, on the other hand, are known as the lady
who thinks Santa Claus is only white and that black
face is cool.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Me and you ain't the same girl, We ain't the same,
And so what I would say is, you may not
like my opinions. You may not like who I am.
You don't know me. You don't even know me enough
not to like me. Because you don't know me, you
ain't never had a conversation with me, and your whole
fucking life, you don't know shit about me other than what.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
You see it.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
If you want to judge a based off that, that's fine.
It is the challenge that I have accepted. It is
the duty and part of the job. People go about
what they see. They don't know you outside of your
commentary or whatever. So yeah, I get called names all
the time. All what you're not going to do is
call me ugly because this face card ain't never been declined.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
What I would say that you might want to do.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
And shout out to my boy Don Lemon for bringing
this to our attention. Instead of worrying about what the
fuck I look like about what my mescuar I use
or don't lose, perhaps you should be more worried about
what's happening in your house.
Speaker 5 (32:20):
Maybe people would like you and the women would like
you more if you.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Weren't such a what you said about my former colleague.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
And by the way, Megan, let me just say something,
deal with your own house and tell your husband to
stop looking at my husband across the room.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
It's weird, Megan.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
You got you got more pressing things to worry about,
then what the fuck Jamal Hills saying you got more
oppressing things to worry about than.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
What's coming out of my mouth.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
According to Don Lovit, so if I were you, I
deal with that and worry less about what I'm wearing,
whether than worry less about what foundation number I'm using.
If I'm using Mac products of Fency Beauty, I wouldn't
worry about that. I worry about my house because we're
good over here. And finally, let me leave you with
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this in case it was in and out after this
about how I feel about you, I'm gonna make this
abundantly clear.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Here's what I think about you.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Fuck you, uh, I mean that from the bottom of
my heart. Fuck you, Fuck your mama, Fuck your daddy,
fucked the horsehoe rode in on. Fuck everybody who loves you,
who cares about you, who has ever supported you in
your life, who has become a part of making you
the person that you are today. Fuck you, fuck them,
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fuck all of y'all.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Have a good day, Megan Kell and you all out there,
you all have a good day as well.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
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What's up? Everybody here with you?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
On what is a random live if you will. Normally
I like to give a little more time and notice
to do this, but I decided to kind of come
off the cup with this one because there were a
couple of things that were bothering me that were in
the atmosphere.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Number one that I want to address is.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
On Blue Sky, because honestly, I'm trying to spend as
limited time as possible on X on Twitter just because
I hate the energy there, and unfortunately, I'm saddled with
the fact that I have the most follower count on X,
so I don't really enjoy posting on X and I've
been trying to keep that kind of to a minimum
(00:55):
for some time now. You all know where the platform
has become. It's kind of toxic. I don't really fool
with it like that. But nevertheless, some of the thoughts
that I've had as the events have unfolded with Charlie
Kirk I posted on other platforms because it just feels
like the engagement is just.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
A little better, a little more genuine, if you will.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
No social media platform is perfect, that's for sure, but
it just feels a little differently dependent on what platform
we're talking about. Hence I'm on threads Blue Sky fan
base about to get myself stacked popping, so you all
watch for that. And so I posted a La Times
(01:42):
piece that was done in the form of TikTok on
social media where they talked to an expert, because once
it became known that Tyler Robinson, the man who killed
Charlie Kirk, murdered him cold blood right in front of
everybody at Utah Valley State, that there was some market
on the bullet casings that needed to be explained that
(02:02):
we're deeply apart as we know now part of online culture,
deeply embedded online culture, particularly for gamers.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
And so I.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Posted this piece by The Times where this woman is
explaining what this is and which gave us a little
bit more insight because gamer culture, I think those of
us who are sort of trying to be cognizant about
a lot of things that are happening now on social media,
there is a presence of white supremacy in gamer culture
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because of the chads and different stuff that's going on.
So I posted this and I said, man, this might
be a kind of white supremacy on white supremacy kind
of kind of issue here, because certainly, as we know
now that Charlie Kirk faced a lot of criticism. I mean,
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they were coming for him, hard folks like Nick Pointe's
who were quite disgusted by Charlie Kirk for whatever reason.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
I don't know, if it was a jealousy thing, I don't.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Know, then maybe my people, I have no idea, but
something was clearly going on there.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
And so you guys know, the last time I went.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Live, clearly disgusted and appalled about what happened by Charlie Kirk,
as in speaking for myself, but also thought that there
was room for a separate conversation about the fact that
there was this incredible effort being put forth to sanitize
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some of the things that he said. Even now a
few days later, it's funny how a lot of the
things that we can watch for ourselves, and I'm not
talking about watching snippets, see, I watched in full, so
I got the full context of a lot of the
things that Charlie Kirk used to say, and in the
moment when he said them, just because these things tended
to circulate and go viral, And it's funny how just
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in a few days, Charlie Kirk has become the most
misunderstood person ever for someone who made communicy he's for
his living that he made a living being a communicator,
being a podcaster, speaking and reaching new people. Suddenly everything
he ever said about race, about gender, all of that
was taken out of context.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
So it's kind of interesting how that happened.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
So I spoke to that while making it abundantly clear
that him being murdered publicly in such a violent fashion
was unacceptable, and.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
So I.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Clearly made the mistake and thinking we can't handle two
concepts at once. And so I got a lot of
you know, a lot of criticism, a lot of blowback,
a lot of people saying I was justifying, not justifying
that man, no matter what he said, does not deserve.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
To go out like that.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I think I made that very clear, and yet a
lot of people chose to misunderstand, which is their right
to do. And even when talking about the imprint culturally
that Charlie Kirk left with us, it is, you know, no,
(05:10):
I think it's fair to say like he left a
very distinct cultural imprint, and especially as it relates to
young conservatives, and so if you're a young conservative and
you're somebody who rocked with Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
You have the right to remember him however you want to.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
But there's your side, there's my side, and then there's
the truth. And we can see what his words were
for ourselves. And yeah, the people who rocked with them,
the people that consider themselves fans or believers or you know,
a part of his clique, they're allowed to remember him
however they want. I mean, that's the thing about legacy
(05:46):
and kind of what I was saying before when I
did this live is that you know, you remember people
in totality, but how you remember them is definitely based
off your worldview.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
You know, there's many.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Complicated picture figures that we've seen when they've passed that
there are some people who grapple with what did that
person really mean?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
And I brought up the example of Queen Elizabeth for
that reason.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
There was certainly a huge swathe of people who were
appreciative of Queen Elizabeth, who.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Who really looked up to her, who celebrated her, But
there was another swathe of people who they felt like
her and what she represented.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Directly negatively impacted them because of British colonialism, and so
there were some Africans who felt away, who didn't feel
like that they had to celebrate her or didn't feel like.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
They had the mourner. And I think that's okay too,
there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
But what I do find to be distasteful in this
moment is that there's a lot of people. It's one
thing if you choose to mourn and reflect on Charlie
Kirk in the way that's more positively than others, that
is your right to do. It's another thing where you're
forcing people to remember somebody a certain way that they
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don't want to remember them. It's okay, they're not.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
So this whole this sudden.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Bullying until you have to remember Charlie Kirk as being
this Christian man and who you know, all these positive things,
you're bullying people to feel something that they don't feel. Okay,
And unequivocally I find that discharged from the right about
people celebrating his death. Yes, there are some assholes who
(07:39):
definitely did that, and that was distasteful, and that was disrespectful.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
And in humane.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
But because you actually had the nerve to remember some
of the harmful things that he said suddenly. That meant
they equated that to celebrating his death, and that's not
what was happening there. I saw more universal agreement that
what happened to him was fucked up than I did.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Seeing people celebrate them.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
It's gonna always be crass people that make crash jokes
in serious situations. But I think I don't think I'm
wrong here by saying the majority of people found it
to be unacceptable. And so it is so that the
right trying to perpetually put themselves in this whole victimhood
and grievance is like really fascinating to me, because literally
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every important political figure on the.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Democratic side all said the same thing.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, everybody that whose position matters,
all of them said routinely that this was unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Political violence is unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I mean, it's unacceptable, but here we have a whole
history to tell it's tolerated.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Unfortunately, So.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I don't even know where this whole sentiment came from
that there was this widespread celebration based off how people
on social media behave to me what matters.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
And this is not to.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Say that people on social media don't have a voice
in the right to feel how they feel they do
as well. But to me, a lot of this was
created outrage over nothing. It's like, yeah, every time, you're
gonna get that. Meanwhile, when you compared it to Nancy
Pelosi and her husband when he was attacked, you had
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people in pretty important positions, Donald Trump Junior Donald Trump
who were saying what would be considered celebrating political violence.
So I'm not talking about internet trolls and random faceless
people on social media with dog photos and Oakley's and
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and Team.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
USA like, I'm not talking about them.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I'm talking about the people who have positions of influence
that matter and widespread.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
It was pretty clear that when that happened, y'all had jokes.
Y'all had a lot of jokes. And even.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
If you want to put George Floyd's murder in this
camp as well, is.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
A lot of people in pretty big parts and pretty big.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Influential pedestals had a lot to say about George Floyd
that was negative, that was.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Disrespectful. George Floyd had kids, you.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Know all those things that we're hearing now about all
you want to say that because Charlie Kirk has kids
and a White, George Floyd, that family as well.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
So I'm not saying that there has not been.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
On the left distasteful things and that they have not
also engaged in political violence or being inhumane in times
of tragedy, But the right now all of a sudden saying,
oh no, it's all on the left. It's nobody on
the right, like, hey, guys, we got too many receipts.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
We see you, we see you.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
So I think that's the part that people are pushing
back on, is them using the murder of this man
to hijack a narrative, and unfortunately not just hijacking narrative,
but now, if you're watching real closely, now they're going
to use this as a suppression of resistance and free speech,
which is really ironic since Charlie Kirk himself said that
(11:45):
hate speech, all different kinds of speech are all covered
and protected under free speech.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Oh my god, I find that was something Charlie and
I actually.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Agreed on, all right, But suddenly y'all want to change
the rules because you don't like what's being said.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
So there's that part of it. Now.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Today in Utah, we got a little more insight into
why Tyler Robinson did what he did, and I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
That we were ever fully understand it.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
And I came to an understanding and I wanted to
come to this form in this platform.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Who I'm knocking my mic down?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I wanted to come to this form in this platform
to say this, this is what happens when you talk
with their hands.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Is that. I think a lot of people on both.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Sides, and I'll put myself in that I'm not going
to absolve myself any of any responsibility got some things wrong,
because here's something that maybe we should face is that
politically the person who committed this doesn't fit in either camp.
You know, we found out from the Utah prosecutor that,
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you know, even though some of his family said that
politically he was changing. I mean, I don't know what
that means, because we do have people who take bits
and pieces from both the left and the right, and
that's what makes whatever's their political consciousness. From what we see,
this dude never even voted. But immediately I think what
(13:14):
I certainly push back on when this first happened is
immediately they branded him as big a far left radical.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
It's like, are we sure and if the.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
If the pushback is that, well, he's got to be
because his parents are maga, you know, given what we
know of their beliefs, and there seem to be some
level of tension there from what we know, from what
the you know, from what we've been able to learn
through confirmed reporting. You know, there's a lot of people
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who consider themselves Republican. They don't necessarily fuck with Maga.
So what I'm saying is that there is even room
for that nuance and whatever is. All of a sudden
you got people saying, well, he was radicalized in college
at a trade school.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
I mean, like, what.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
We forget that we have this humongous online culture of
social media that you could not even go to anybody's
college and you could come online and whatever it is
is bubbling as part of your belief system. You can
find a group to join, something to confirm it. And unfortunately,
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because there's not a lot of guardrails on social.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Media, you can.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Find a tribe of people who might encourage you to
go further and go to a dangerous place. And then
suddenly there's going to be this conversation about his sexuality,
which I don't it's not on me to define that. Yes,
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he had a roommate that was transitioning who is trans
and they were in a romantic relationship. This is a
fact that was confirmed today by the Utah prosecutor.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
And I see a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
On the right who are saying, well, all that means
he was a leftist. Hey, I'm gonna say this, and
I'm gonna hold your hand.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
There's gay Republicans. There are gay people in the far
right movement.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
And I don't even want to call him far right
because frankly, I don't know that we know left or right.
And it made me slow down because I try my
best not to get caught up in the caught up
in I'm caught up in our division because we at
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this point we have no choice to be. But I
don't want to see the world as so binary that
it's always left to right.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Hell, I don't even fit into I know, I.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Don't fit to the right for sure, and I don't
even fit into everything on the left. Well, I wouldn't
necessarily call myself independent because you know, at this point,
with this current state and iteration of what the Republican
Party is, I can't imagine myself voting for anybody on
that side of things. So, yeah, some of us don't
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comfortably fit into a particular political circle. We may take
bits and pieces of everything, and maybe that's the part
of this, that's the learn as they say in corporate culture,
for all of this. And so I will willingly, you know,
throw myself on the front and say like, yeah, as
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we were learning more details, certain boxes were getting checked,
even in my mind, and I made that publicly clear.
I was like, oh, utah, white, Okay, conservative parents, Okay,
we see where this was going.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
And again some of it would it's just like, oh.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Okay, they're trying really hard to make him fit into
the narrative, like he's a leftist. And now that it's
the old adage that we hear time and again that
the truth is somewhere in the middle, and I think
those on the left end the right might need to
face that that's the real thing here.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
The truth is somewhere in the middle. And so.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
What I'm more concerned is is how this entire, ugly
chapter will be weaponized against the wrong people.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
And as soon as.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
The authorities confirm that he had a romantic relationship with
his roommate, who is a member of the trans community,
we already know where that's going. Even though, lets everybody
be clear, his roommate has fully cooperated with the police.
His roommate had no idea that this was happening, none whatsoever.
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But there's going to be a level of blame that
is put on that community, especially since a lot of
people on the right.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Have framed being trans.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Being near or adjacent or in touch with that community
in any way is like guilt by association, not necessarily
with being trans, but because they have so associated that
with having a mental illness of some kind, like, oh,
he was, he's been indoctrinated.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
It's just like what And it's funny.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
It's interesting how people think about that indoctrination, because I
often think it's pretty comical how people will somebody who
becomes a part of the camer community, born a part
of the camer community, or whatever, at whatever point that
they will are in the community, they will have by
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that time, whatever, whenever they come out, will have undergone
and have seen a lot of for lack of a
better way to put it, heterosexual programming, heterosexuals everywhere on TV,
social media, all around, like we're a strong heteronormative society,
and they obviously will still feel like that doesn't represent
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who they actually are.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
And yet we have this way of.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Treating being a part of the queer community like as
a disease, like as soon as you.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Touch it, you're gonna be one. It's like, what, So,
let me get this straight.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
All the that should let you know, all the hetero
programming that goes on in a person's life that didn't
influence them in any way to be different than the
person they feel like they really are. But let you
touch the hem of a gay person's role and it's over.
Don't understand it. So anyway, I say all this to
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say that, yeah, I will willingly admit it and apologize.
I even rushed to judgment.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
And now that I've been able to soak in all
this information.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
And that we're learning more from the actual authorities who
are actually doing the investigating, it occurred to me like, oh.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
The truth is literally in the middle.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
So yeah, now real quick, because I think you guys
probably saw it in the description and you may have
even seen me in telling people on threads that I
was going to go live. I mentioned that I wanted
to read somebody for filth that's coming, trust me, But
real quick, and to pivot off this Charlie Kirk thing,
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I want to say a few words about Trey Reid.
Trey Reid, as we know right now, he is the
black student who went to Delta State University body found
hanging from a tree of Mississippi. We know all the
boxes in our mind. I was just talking about boxes
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that are being checked. We know all the boxes that
are being checked. And because Mississippi, as we know, has
a pretty nasty history when it comes to lynching black
people in particular, and so as we're trying to figure
out what's really going.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
On, a lot of people are asking questions.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Number One, I want to mention it because I think
it needs to be in the news more. I think
this is something that should be national news.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
That's number one.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
But beyond that, I do I have seen commentary our community,
from the black community that says like we.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
You know, we we don't hang ourselves.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
And I'm stuck on that because I'm looking at the
police have rooted.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
A suicide or did rut it a suicide?
Speaker 2 (22:18):
But I think they're doing some further investigation, and I
think most of us, that's all we're asking is like
do a thorough investigation, because the optics of this don't
look like what you all have described what happened. But
I do think we need to be careful in this
moment because the suicide rate among black men is something
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that is a real issue, and so when we say
stuff like we don't do stuff like that, that's putting
a stigma on something on a mental health issue that.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Not all of us fully.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Really grasp because you know, mental health and black men
is a real It's something that's really serious. And I'm
very glad that compared to when I grew up, the
stigma around mental health, while it hasn't completely disappeared, we're
in a much healthier place in discussing the importance of
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mental health in the black community, because I think for
a long time, the thinking was that black people didn't
even have the luxury to think about such things because
of the weight of the world. And so I would
caution as we're trying to figure out what really happened
to Trey Read and the authorities now that there is
more national attention on this, and I'm hoping because there
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is more scrutiny, that this will this will motivate the
authorities in Mississippi to move in a way with justice
in mind and move against what is the narrative of
their history frankly when it comes to situations and cases
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like this.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
But also.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Need to be aware that because the suicide rates look
like what they do among black men, that when we
say stuff like we don't do stuff like that, that's
again going with that stigma that we are trying to
get away from so that we could create a community
of safety, so that when people are experiencing thoughts about
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suicide and dealing with their mental health, that they won't
feel like, oh, this makes me abnormal, because black people
aren't supposed to feel this way.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
We're human beings. We don't feel how we feel. And
so I just.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Wanted to say that on top of just being among
another media person who is surfacing the fact that this
story deserves more attention, it deserves to be looked in,
and it certainly deserves more scrutiny. Now let me get
to this read. So I saw that Megan Kelly no
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friend of mine. I'm no friend to hers. I don't
even like her. I don't know her. Actually the last
time I saw Megan Kelly. Here's what's so funny. Last
time I saw Megan Kelly, this would have been when
Obama was still in the White House. I cannot remember
if it was first term or second term. I want
to say it was second term. I'm pretty sure it
was second term. Now that I think about it, I'm
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pretty sure it was. But either way, I saw Megan
Kelly at the White House and it really got me
to thinking. I saw her from a distance. I didn't
go up to I don't know this woman, so you know,
of course, she was still at Fox, very aware of
what her reputation was in terms of what she contributed
as a journalist. But what I found so interesting is
(25:49):
when I saw the White House, it was during the
time of year. It was the holiday season, and what
happens is during the holiday season, White House has a
bunch of parties. There's different groups every night, Like one
night it might be media members, one night it might
be entertainers. Another night it could be a mixture of
the two. Is different audiences, So it was a lot
of media members. This was like, I guess, the media
(26:11):
version of the Obama's holiday party when they invite people
from both sides of the aisle come there, and sometimes
the President is there and First Lady sometimes or not.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
On this night, they were.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
There, and I remember seeing Megan Kelly in the receiving
line to get a picture with the Obamas, and I
thought that was super interesting because I was thinking, now,
don't you sping pretty much your whole damn broadcast talking
about how this man ain't shit?
Speaker 1 (26:35):
And here you are aligning up to go.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
And that's when I knew, like, oh, for a lot
of people that are in our business, and especially who
are in the position of being considered to be conservative commentators,
a lot of that shit is fake. I was like, oh,
this is like w w in to them. This is
like wrestling where they like playing a character. See what
you see here is for real, Like this is why
(26:58):
I am. Whether I'm talking to you on YouTube, boyd,
y'all catch me out in the street, I'm the same person,
and a lot of them can't say that.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
And so I was really.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
I was really taken aback and I was like, oh,
I got it. That's the game, peep it right. All
that being said, so, over the course of the years,
Megan Kelly has often had a lot of words for me,
a lot of words about me. I generally try to
keep her name out of her out of my mouth,
because I.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Don't like to amplify the thoughts of stupid people.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
But all that being said, this time I'm gonna make
an exception and I'm gonna tell you why. But first,
let me play the clip of what Meghan Kelly had
to say about me.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
It all wrong. Here's this jerk top fifteen.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Of course, as you all know, in the wake of
Charlie's murder, there was an incredible amount of angry discourse
from the right, blaming the Democrats, blaming liberals, saying you're
the reason this happened. Only to find out, surprise, twenty
two year old white dude loved guns, raised.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
By two parents, lived in a good home. Dad as
a minister. Also a share of didn't check it in
the boxes, y'all thought even checked diddy.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Okay, first of all, a code of mascara would be
your friend. I'm just going to tell this to you,
woman to woman on television.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
You need a.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Little work and you should have them back off the
camera a little bit because you are not attractive enough
to have that extreme close up.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Push away your.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Laptop, jameel and add a filter or two honestly, like,
we actually don't use any on this show, because I
do put on makeup so I look presentable. But you
need work because you can't both be ugly on the
outside and the inside.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
You need to choose one. Oh so she went there.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Now, Generally, when I come back as somebody, especially as
a woman, because I'm very aware and Megan, here you
go all yep, all up in there, get a looking
at uh this non mascara face. That's what you call
natural beauty. You wouldn't know shit about that.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
I know.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
So generally, when I attack somebody for their words, their ideas,
I typically, especially dealing with women, especially dealing with women
on TV, I never.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Say shit about their looks.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
And the reason I don't say anything about their looks
is because this is something that women in television often
have to deal with. Is us being criticized by our
looks back rather than how will we do the job,
how well we speak about issues, how will we control
a broadcast? Like that's usually put to the side and
people judge us based off how we look.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
But I wouldn't expect.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Somebody like you to get that, because that would actually
require your dumb ass to critically think for one of
your life, which we know you don't do, and that
is why.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
I chose to respond. And I'm sorry that.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
You up there, however old you are looking twice as
old as you actually are. My bad, you know, because
that's the thing about the way this melanine is working
in this body. You don't know if I'm twenty eight,
thirty eight, forty eight, fifty eight sixty eight, and I'm
proud to come on live and present myself as I
am in my natural state because I'm not ashamed of
(30:35):
what I look like. I don't begrudge any woman that
uses makeup, not at all. I use makeup.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
I'm on TV.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
I do that.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Right, That's a part of our job. That's what we do.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
And so your advice to me is to get some
mass scared of my advice to use to actually get
a personality in a persona that doesn't always make you
look like a racist, at a bigot and trash.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I'm comfortable where I am and what I've done.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
You, on the other hand, are known as the lady
who thinks Santa Claus is only white and that black
face is cool.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Me and you ain't the same girl, We ain't the same,
And so what I would say is, you may not
like my opinions. You may not like who I am.
You don't know me. You don't even know me enough
not to like me. Because you don't know me, you
ain't never had a conversation with me, and your whole
fucking life, you don't know shit about me other than what.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
You see it.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
If you want to judge a based off that, that's fine.
It is the challenge that I have accepted. It is
the duty and part of the job. People go about
what they see. They don't know you outside of your
commentary or whatever. So yeah, I get called names all
the time. All what you're not going to do is
call me ugly because this face card ain't never been declined.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
What I would say that you might want to do.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
And shout out to my boy Don Lemon for bringing
this to our attention. Instead of worrying about what the
fuck I look like about what my mescuar I use
or don't lose, perhaps you should be more worried about
what's happening in your house.
Speaker 5 (32:20):
Maybe people would like you and the women would like
you more if you.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Weren't such a what you said about my former colleague.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
And by the way, Megan, let me just say something,
deal with your own house and tell your husband to
stop looking at my husband across the room.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
It's weird, Megan.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
You got you got more pressing things to worry about,
then what the fuck Jamal Hills saying you got more
oppressing things to worry about than.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
What's coming out of my mouth.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
According to Don Lovit, so if I were you, I
deal with that and worry less about what I'm wearing,
whether than worry less about what foundation number I'm using.
If I'm using Mac products of Fency Beauty, I wouldn't
worry about that. I worry about my house because we're
good over here. And finally, let me leave you with
(33:21):
this in case it was in and out after this
about how I feel about you, I'm gonna make this
abundantly clear.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Here's what I think about you.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Fuck you, uh, I mean that from the bottom of
my heart. Fuck you, Fuck your mama, Fuck your daddy,
fucked the horsehoe rode in on. Fuck everybody who loves you,
who cares about you, who has ever supported you in
your life, who has become a part of making you
the person that you are today. Fuck you, fuck them,
(33:55):
fuck all of y'all.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Have a good day, Megan Kell and you all out there,
you all have a good day as well.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Politics is the production of iHeart Podcast and the Unbothered Network.
I'm your host Jamel Hill. Executive producer is Taylor Chakoigne.
Lucas Hymen is head of audio and executive producer. Original
music for Spolitics provided by Kyle VISs from wiz FX.
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