February 11, 2025 • 49 mins
Jemele is joined by journalist Carron J. Phillips to discuss the Eagles dominating win over the Kansas City Chiefs in Super Bowl, the overall political themes, if the Eagles are on the verge of dynasty, and a breakdown of Kendrick Lamar’s performance.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Okay, welcome everybody out there. This is I guess in
these podcast streets they refer to this as an emergency pod.
I don't necessarily look at it that way, but welcome
to a live version of politics, Sports and politics. That's
where the name comes from. And of course, as everyone knows,
yesterday's Super Bowl happened. The Philadelphia Eagles absolutely whooped the
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Kansas City Chiefs, who are going for a third straight
Super Bowl, something that had never been done in NFL history.
Joining me right now to break all of these things
down is Karen J. Phillips, who is from the mighty,
mighty city of Saginaw. And I'm sure he will tell
you at some point in this conversation where Serena Williams,
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in his mind really hails from.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
And it is not California.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
It is for the fabulous city that is emblazoned across
his Yes, as we break down everything that has happened,
and you could catch Karn he is.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
He's got a wonderful sub stack.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
He's a sports journalist of many years, acclaimed, award winning,
whatever else. The worst thing about this this young man
is that he's a Michigan fan.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
That's the that's the worst thing.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
He's a combination, a rare combination of Michigan football and
do basketball, which I don't know how that happened.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I feel like somewhere along your lineage something it.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Means I like winners. That's what it means.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
It means I like winners.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Okay, that's really easy. Yeah, And as you all know,
I went to Michigan State, so you already know what
I think about Michigan.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
But we don't put all that aside.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Even though Kendrick Lamar inspires us all to be our
petty yourselves, We're gonna put all of that aside and
focus on what happened in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
So, Karen, what to.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
You were your major takeaway is from that absolute shell
lacking that Philadelphia gave the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
That the Kansas City Chiefs have been exposed twice now
in the biggest stage in sports, and it's always the
same issue.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Okay, the previous time are you referring to Tampa Bay.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Their two losses? In my homes era I'm speaking of
is like your offensive line sucks because this is the
second time we've seen a team go We're just gonna
get pressured before and drop everyone back, and when you
do that, it doesn't go well.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
For Patrick.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
It is a It is a complete As I was watching,
it was like the middle of the first quarter and
I was like, Oh, they just studied the film of
what the Bucks did to them, and like.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yeah, you mentioned it.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I don't understand why teams don't parame towards it's more
and I'm not even being petty, but if you paid
attention to Michigan football this year, it's the same thing
what we did to Ohio State in Alabama. If your
front four is good enough and the way that these
defensive coordinators are creative enough of their schemes, you can
do a lot of things to shut down a really
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good quarterback. If just your four guys getting pressure on
a game, if you want to zone it up, if
you want to put brackets around different receivers with your nickelbacks,
or if you got some linebackers in there who could
cover well enough and with your corners and dbs. And
that's what we saw last night was is exactly what
the Bucks did.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Last time. We seen the Chiefs get blown out like this,
and it's always.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Pressure from the front floor and not a good game
from patching, but that offense as a whole, it was
terrible last night.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
But you said something interesting. You said that you know,
basically they studied what the Bucks did. So then my
question would be, did Buffalo not study this? Did the
Ravens not study Did anybody in the AFC other than
the Bengals we know Joe Burrow has gotten past Patrick Mahomes,
did they not study the same blueprint? Like so to be,
in some ways this is an indictment against the rest
of the AFC, because I'm like, wait a minute, and
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I listen.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I realized that I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Slight the Eagles in any regard because the Eagles defensive
line is something special like that is. Every team isn't
equipped nor has the physicality of that line. So I
want to make it seem like creating that kind of
defensive pressure is anybody can do it. But if you
are Baltimore, if you're a Buffalo, and this is the
one team you can't get past, you would think that
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maybe they would have come up with something that would
have borrowed from what we've seen Tampa Bay do and
certainly from what the Eagles did in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Now what I will think it will do that.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
I will not be surprised if you see the Ravens
in the fields sign or draft some defensive lineen right
this year, because like you said, it's all about you
have to have the talent to do it right.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
And I think this is twice now.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
I do think even the Bengals, if you can throw
them in, I think you're going to see those AFS
teams focused on defensive linemen and just even having some backups.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
They you can keep that defensive lineman on that line fresh.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
And because if you've got a good secondary and a
good linebacker for then you got all and you're good
at all three levels.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Did but if you can just sit four so we.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
See what how many months we got to the draft
or free agency starts we see them signing.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
If Miles Garrett winds up over the AFC.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Or you know, or Baltimore, then we know what we
talked about today is coming to that, all right.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I don't want to get too much in the weeds
of the game. We will certainly get back to it.
And there's some overarching question about whether or not Philadelphia's
championship window is opening further than that they might be
sitting on the dynasty.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
This is what their second super Bowl and I think
like five years or something like something like that.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah, you all know that they've been recently and lost
to the same team. Before we even get all up,
let's just start from the top of this super Bowl, right,
so everybody out there in the chat, maybe y'all knew this.
I didn't know this, So I don't really like pregame shows,
like really, for whether it be a regular season game
a playoff fans like not really my jam. I'll listened
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for a while, but then it's just like, all right,
I just want the game to start, so I'll just
like watch something else. Now, I did hear that Letacy
was performing Lift Every Voice and Sing, and I liked
Letacy and I wanted to see Letta see and I'm
you know, it's about five o'clock. I turned in and
I'm like, the hell is Lift Every Voice and Sing?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
And I was told.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
From the people out of those streets that that didn't happen.
That happened she sung it, but at like four o'clock,
and they had it so early in the program. Now
we already know coming into this that the NFL decided
to take out the end racism slogans.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
You know where I'm going with this.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Then suddenly it's like lift every voice and saying they
wanted to make sure it was on Carava sorta kind of, So.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
What was up with that?
Speaker 4 (07:05):
For maybe the first time ever in my career, I'm
going to defend the league.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Oh my god, you're defending them? Oh my oh.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
I got to hear this because no, there's a report
that they were like the super Bowl that's going to start,
Like is he the thirty minutes or an hour earlier
this year?
Speaker 3 (07:23):
And where I was watching the.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Game, I think it's maybe because we in the industry
and we know these people and we know who is
good and who was not good, which is why we
probably don't watch pre game in postgameing most of the
time halftime either. But I was like, uh, yeah, y'all
we should because it's five thirty. I was like, we
should call it. We should cut it on at like
four thirty. People was like, yeah, this a little early,
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and I'm like, nah, Like lift every voice and sing
anthem America the beautiful starting intros the video packaged montages
kickoff is at five thirty. They gonna start the inner
two caming around like four things about like four fifteen,
four to twenty. We cut it on and then so
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I saw it all and I figured give it about
an hour to get everybody on and off the field,
all these packages.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
They gotta do start line ups.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
I didn't think they were going to do the start
line up the way they did it, But yeah, I
wasn't surprised the way they did it that way.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Scheduling was on time.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
They were not on CP time, even though it felt
very CPS shitting there with the New Orleans stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
But so you do so do you think it was
purposeful or was it just the way things wound up?
Speaker 4 (08:38):
No, it usually goes there early, like because I've covered
the Super Bowl before and that it went with the
normal schedule it does. But me being in the press box,
I didn't really know what time it actually was. But
by the actual schedule that it goes from, it went
like it normally does. But I can understand why you
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have your suspicion.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Because I was thinking it was like road.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
It was just like Lift Every Voice in my mind,
That's how I saw always like Lift Every Voice America,
the beautiful, but like it's just like boom boom, boom,
boom boom. They just kind of get it out of
the way. And I was like, did I did I
miss it?
Speaker 4 (09:13):
No, because they generally do, even like because I covered
to see if pe that year, the actual Jalen hurts
for two a game, I cover that game, and I
remember the pregame entertainment for that way, and it usually
goes that order if they do all three songs and
the anthem is the last one before any starting lineups
or video package they might do for the TV.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
So all right, they they they ain't. They ain't doing
what's wrong, y'all. That's how it goes.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
So what about And by the way, thank you all
for joining us who are on the live stream that's
on YouTube right now. I see your comments. We will
be reading and responding to a few. And also if
you have any questions, make sure that you put those,
you know, in the comments section, because we're we're going
to get to some of those.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
All right, what about in racism? The racism men?
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Is that what they took it out there is own
So the NFL, for those who don't know, they've had
these slogans, and let me be clear, I never liked
the slogans like I never like in racism, all those
performative slogans because.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
It's like it takes all of us. We don't we
didn't start this.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
We just not.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
This is not our problem people, right, Okay, so it
takes all of us in racism. They started doing a
lot of those of course post George Floyd, they started
that performative stuff, just like a lot of people did
who now have walked a lot of that stuff back.
And so they chose on the biggest stage of their
signature event that no, no, not right now, it's not
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gonna be about racism. It's gonna be about choosing love.
So did you think that decision was time to the
fact that President Trump was coming to the super Bowl
and it was going to be the first sitting president
to ever I'm to.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
A super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (11:02):
It is this time and leave a halftime right because
he won't No parts of that, Kendrick Lamar didn't.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
But anyway, we don't get to that. We don't get
to that, all right.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
So did you you said you were going to defend
the league? Are you defending the league about this?
Speaker 3 (11:16):
As what?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Okay? Who is my friend right now?
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Okay, No, like you, I hated it from the start,
especially someone like me that has called out the league
like more time than I cancount. But I was in
the room and what was it twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen,
I think it was twenty eighteen.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Remember the the anthem policy.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Oh yeah, I was at that press conference that lasted
what three days or a couple of weeks. So I
have seen this from the very beginnings to the apology
Goodel did with Acho and all of that, and I
the end zone messages always angered me, and so the
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timing of it one, I was like, they never should.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Have been there.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
I'm happy it's gone. But like you said, yeah, the
coincidence of your boy and the old showing.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Up my boy and.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
That being there and the end, it's just like, come on, man,
But you also have to remember what I found, because
at this point, I'm just finding the comedy in the
In the Last Days of America.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Was that in the final season yea, the final the
final season of America.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
They announced that they were taking it out of the
end Zone. I believe it was like Tuesday morning. I
saw the first tweets and got like thefication. But if
you go back to Goodell's press conference on Monday, it
was him tripling down on DEI stuff, and it was like,
how would it matter of like twelve hours that you
know that we stayed in ten tons down on di
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which all your DEI.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Stuff has been flimsy from jump to ah.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
We're taking like the DEI stuff off the field.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah, it's been confirmed, old boy, it's coming. And it's
just like, this is just the history of what this
league does. They say one thing, they cut a check
for this.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
But when it's time for some something concrete for you
to hold on or for you to believe in, it
gets real some time.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
So to be fair, I'm just gonna provide what the
league explanation was, so for those out there who are
you know, watching or right now live or who'll be
listening later. The league's explanation was that given the wildfires
in California, because of the tragedy in DC with the
plane crash, that they wanted to switch up the messaging
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and also of course the tragedy that happened in New Orleans.
In New Orleans, they wanted to switch up the messaging
to match the fact that you had some other tragedies
that have taken place, and they wanted to make sure
that they gave that a noteworthy acknowledgement.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
It is part of the reason why in that pregame festivities,
you saw Tom Brady, your boy, who looked like he'd
never woonn a T shirt in his life, Like what
was he had on that lab.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
He never wore a T shirt that cheat before.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
So that's how you know you're wealthy.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
You can't even wait, like you so wealthy, the T
shirt don't even fit your body right, because it's like,
this is not the fabric we're accustomed to this regular
He was like.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
This is not Egyptian, like what is happening here?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
So but there was you know, Tom Brady, you know
there of course acknowledging straight hand. Yeah, with the first responders,
the firefighters what they have done. So it did go
on theme. But to your point, I would say that
it's hard sometimes, even if the League is telling the truth,
to give them the benefit of the doubt, because the
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timing of this was a little strange, and there's part
of me that wonders if Trump wasn't coming with they
have still chosen to put in racism in the end zone. Again,
I didn't love it either, just like you did. And
a lot of it is. And you know this from
your history of covering the league. The league loves to
not look racist. They don't mind being racist, all right,
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because this is the same league that just a couple
of years ago they decided to end race Norman.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
And for those out there who do not know what
race Norman is.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
In the concussion settlement, they pretty much tried to use
bogus science to deny a lot of black players part
of the concussion settlement by going with the theory that
black players had lower cognitive ability. So therefore, when they're
trying to prove the trauma, the head trauma they've suffered
the long lasting effects of concussions, they had a much
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higher threshold to prove that based off the baseline theory
that their cognitive abilities was lower.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
To begin with, your NFL out there, people, and we
can go and.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Talk about the Rooney rule and the history of it.
So much like you, when Roger Goodell at the Super
Bowl during his Super Bowl Annual Super Bowl press conference,
when he's talking about how they're gonna stick to DEI
and all that, it really didn't mean anything, because what
is it d I in the NFL ever met You know,
it took them one hundred seasons to get their first
black team president.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I mean, clearly, whatever d I ain't us, it ain't.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Working, all right.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
You said to you said the benefit of the bat,
And that's the perfect term because people don't realize to
receive the benefit of the bat, that means you would
have to earn something enough for people to give that
to you. The league has never earned it, right, which
is why we so rarely give them the benefit of
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the doubt, because we don't have enough history. There's nothing
on their resume for us to believe, Oh, this is
a flip, this is just a misstep. Oh they didn't
actually mean this, and it's just not there. And you
look at the timing of everything and it was just like, wait,
so we can't choose love and they're.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Both kind of the same.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Theoretical concept is like, if you choose love, you probably
don't do racist ship. That's probably like they probably they
probably don't.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
On top of the fact that right after that, you
had a commercial with Snoop talking about we should.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Okay, all right, you brought it up, so we will
go here Now, there was a you know, a lot
of interesting commercials. One of the ones that drew a
lot of reaction from people was Tom Brady and Snoop
Dogg yelling at each other about hate because this was
supposed to be part of an anti hate campaign. And
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let me just say, overall, if you look at the
messages that were in a lot of the Super Bowl
as it was about multiculturalism, about togetherness, it.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Was real.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Right, and it felt.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Very inflicting in the backdrop of what is happening in
our country overall.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
But what what was your.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Because Snoop got flambayed for that choose hate or that
not choose hate? Sorry about the anti hate commercial that
he did with with Todd Brady. So what was your
What were your thoughts about the Snoop commercial?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Look, I wrote about them a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
All of them about him, Nelly, Soldier, Boyd Brick.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
The Trump inauguration festivities.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Yes, man, I have always been about one message, and
it might be controversial, but it is true.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Rappers beat up.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
And I said it that way because they do beat up.
And I had a line in the collar roll and
I was like, it's a little secret like, I don't
think rappers want equality, like rappers want white milk privilege,
and seeing all them rush to perform for a bad
is proof of that. So seeing him in that commercial
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with Tom Brady, it was like, all right, one of
these dudes had a maga hat in his locker. We
got snooped to it this And I think the thing
that bothers people so much about Snoop that if you
are a certain age, if you are us or older,
we were meant to us. It's not the most famous
rapper who he is. He's the most famous. It's not
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the stuff with Martha Stewart. It's not that he can
sell anything because he's snooped. It's that we remember Calvin
Broadest versus and his try so to.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Seem murder was the case in real time.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
To see him go for that, to performing there, it
is like what happened? Yeah, Like the progress in the
growth was one thing, but it's like, nah, bro, I
remember you cussing out Gail Can five years ago about Kobe,
Like as much progress as you can point to, or bro,
every couple of years he's done something that you point
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to and you just like, nah, bro, Like what's what's
going on here? And we see it all the time.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
We see it with Ice Cube every four years as
a presidential election.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
We see it with Waka Flaka, but when we pull
up his voting records team never voted before. We saw
it with jay Z with the deal for chopping it up,
Giggling Key Kid, with Roger Godevils at twenty nineteen. See
it with Kanye every other month. We see it with
Drake Lost. Like you go through the history of rap
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and it's always look Man. As much as we loved
him as artists, as people, we did ourselves an injustice
of labeled them as voices of the community when a
lot of the time these are dudes who can't tell
you the three branches of the government and they should
have never been in these positions to speak for.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Us in that way.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
You know, Here's the thing is, like I wasn't totally
shocked about Soldier Boy.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I was like, yeah, nobody ever shocked. He's the one
I can respect the most because he was.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Like because yes, he never tried to pretend it was
anything else.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
He was like, yo, Obama didn't do this.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
You know, it's kind of dumb, but like whatever, I
kind of expect a certain amount.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Of foolishness from Soldier Boy.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
The surprise with Snoop, and I think much for what
you said is given what his the art of his career.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
We've seen it. We saw where white people.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Did not fuck with Snoop at all, like at.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
All of America's most wonted it ain't nothing.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
We saw that ship in real time.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
We lived it right So and then it's also hard
to because I live here in La like I'm I'm
right next to Inglewood, and it is very true like
Snoop is very embedded in the community. He does great
stuff around here all the time, like everything, and to
see him do that, and then I think this is
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part of that cognitive dissonance you're talking about. Is that
for them, it's just all I'm just taking some money,
I'm just taking a bag. It's just another performance. No,
it's not like it is absolutely not another performance. This
is something bigger. This is something deeper. And especially if
it's check, it's a check you ain't gotta take all.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Right, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
And look, I'm not trying to get in anybody's pocket.
But Snoop is the most marketable rapper ever, like ever
you know what I'm saying. It's like he could sell
what do they say, he could sell ketchup popsicles to
a man in white gloves.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
That is where Snoop is. So he has the ability
to pick and choose what he does.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
And you know, he is not really providing an explanation,
which I appreciate. He just like, let me be me,
let me do my snoop thing, Okay, Nelly. However, to
me in deeper trouble by trying to justify what he did,
I would rather to your point, I would rather use
and like so say, guess what they was offering me?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Too much money? Y'all?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
It just is what it is. Cool, I can I
can respect that to a degree. I don't know, but
I don't have to like it. But at least I
know you're not playing in my face. But for Nelly
to make it about the military, I was like, Bro,
you could go to any any Army base, any Navy base,
any air force base in the world and perform. If
you really think this is about the military, it's not.
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And it's just like respect to America. I'm like, I mean,
did you by not performing, are you disrespecting America? It's
like what right, And then it's sort of there was
reports that Nelly got a million and a half to perform,
and I'll just say this, like had he been like, hey, y'all,
it was a million and a half. All I have
to do is show up and do hot in here,
and that was it.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
I understand, okay, But but the question there I would
ask him be like, listen, I get it. I'm not
trying to turn down one point for anybody, but you
have to ask yourself, why is the price so high?
There's a reason they're paying you so much for this,
and not to go off too far, get too deep,
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you know, in baseball. But we had had conversations about this,
about people, certain people who look like us aligning with
that too, just like they're a certain journalism organization that
made a decision last summer that we had a lot
of conversations about. And those when those things happen, those
are the things that hurt the worst when you see
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it from people or organizations you didn't think it was
coming from. Because yes, you understand, the might about have
been trying to hold them accountable, ask them some questions,
and yes, it might have just been a bag and
you needed that bag. But it's like, are you all
thinking long term? Because they are giving you all this money,
but they're using this opportunity so they can use it
against you in the future. Because that's why at some
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point he's going to be like, hey, Snooper and Elly,
they love me, and the same way that he used
that opportunity last summer to be.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Like, oh is she black?
Speaker 4 (25:04):
I didn't know she just turned black, and then you
have the headline that they can run forever and instead
of talking about the actual issue, we're sitting here and.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Talking about raptors right because.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
You had to go perform for some reason in DC
when there are other things you could have been doing.
We know you got enough money, you didn't need that check.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
No, And it's like, I mean, and I don't love
saying that, because, like you know, we never know people's situations,
and certainly just living life, like a lot of us
have to make these kinds of decisions, maybe not of
that magnitude, small decisions that we kind of have to
do that You and I have both worked in mainstream media.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Our decision to even work the mainstream media.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Is a compromise because we often have work for companies
who do whose values do not align with ours. But
we have chosen to stay in that fight and be
in that fight because we felt like, Okay, if this
platform is mainstream, somehow, we got to be represented in
that even though value alignment is not there.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
What I will, you know, to put a bone on
that part of it.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
What I what I will also say too, is that
I think this administration, in particular, to this person in particular,
they like to use black entertainers as a way to
say fuck.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
You to the black community. Yes, and by that I
mean this is that they.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Like the idea they want to show us like, oh,
y'all so revolutionary.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Here, y'all so political, y'allso against us. Let me watch this,
watch this, right. That's that's basically what they're saying.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
It's like, oh, y'all, y'all think y'all stand for something,
let me show you what you don't stand for.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Here you go.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Watch this.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
All right.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
We're gonna take a quick break and we have more
to come on politics. Hmm, all right, So we have
all that again. This is the first sitting president to
ever come to a super Bowl. And let me just
remind people of something about that you know, because I
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saw bits and pieces of the Fox interview interview that
he did to sort of set up the super Bowl
that it was. You know, since the super Bowl was
air by Fox, it's not a surprise that they would
sort of.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Time just to an interview.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
And I believe, uh, the president's comments were something along
the line of like wanting to basically be a part
of something that is very American and all that.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
But here's the thing. Everybody was like, Oh, it's so
dope the president. Some people, not everybody.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Well, the reason why there's a reason why presidents tend
to not show up for these scenes. Let me tell
you what the president's day was that day. He played
golf with Tiger Woos in the morning.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Whatever. So he played, he play golf, Attacker, Wizard the board.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
It comes to the Super Bowl later on. One is that
self aware presidents understand wherever they go is a huge
amount of money that puts on taxpayers. Him just coming
to the super Bowl costs and estimated ten million dollars.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
That's and traffic and security.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
It just it sends when it's already a big event
and we know what just happened in New Orleans. Maybe
if he would have said like, oh, I'm showing up
because something tragic happened in New Orleans and I felt
like I needed to be there. But that would mean
empathy and common sense, which we know this president doesn't
do right. So we know that's not gonna happen. So
it cost a lot of money for the president to
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go anywhere. And I remember something that former President Barack
Obama said that part of the reason he stopped golfing
basically while he was president, because every time he came
to a course, it caused total disruption in that community.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
So self aware, even George Bush says.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Something similar, not about golf, but like just being mindful
about where you go because it cast a lot of money,
it causes a lot of habit.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
That's why they don't show up. They're too busy. That's
the other thing.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
You just realize we're at a point so bad that
George looks like a sensible present.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Almost every hateful comment I said about that, I don't know.
I don't feel that I'm just being facetious. I don't
actually feel bad about it, but but it's it. But
it does look different, and you know, under the light now,
compared to what we've seen.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
We thought that was the bottom, that we.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Were at the bottom, and then I found out.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
There's another there's another one to go.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
So we have all this before the game has even started,
and and you know, let's now get back to, you know,
the game. A little bit overarching themes here. Jalen Hurts
is somebody that has been maligned the good bit of
his career. You know, he lost his starting job at Alabama,
had to transfer to Oklahoma.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I mean, yeah, oh at that game when he.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Right, Listen, here's the thing about that game which puts
both these points together. You talk about all the stuff
that happens when the president goes be amount of traffic
it costs. I was living in Atlanta driving down seventeen
five eighty five to the stadium. I was the only
car on the highway. I had never seen that before
because people were not driving around that time, because everybody
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was scared of the presidential motorcade and the traffic JamMan
will calls, which led to have the stadium being empty
for most of the first quarter because it took that
long for fans and even media to get to the
press box because of the additional security. Because he showed up,
but that was the game Perks got bitched. For tour,
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we have covered every level of sports, particularly football, from
Preps D two, I've done HBCU D three, Power five, NFL.
Jalen Hurst performance in the first half of that game
and that's the beat NAS Championship game is uga. It's
still to this day the worst performance I've ever seen
from a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
He was absolutely corrageous.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
So from seeing him from that moment to last night,
Jalen Hurts is the epitome of being able to receive
criticism and keep working because he was at the bottom
of the bottom. Even if you think about the year
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after he got pinched, and that very same building is
the game where he came back in the NCC Championship
against Georgia again when Tua got hurt, and he brought
them back to beat Georgia in that game. So he
throughout his career he has shown us that he has
a level of get it back. I guess you wanted
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to call it that when stuff goes bad for him,
he figures out. Because there there were times this season
where people was, you know, they was brilliant man, and
rightfully so. But he has a tendency to show up
at it. Listen, I ain't saying he gonna do well
all the time, but if you need him to show
up and do well when it's time for him to
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come through for you, he has shown us that he
could do on the collegiate level in the biggest moments
and championship games and nowaday in the super Bowl, because
let's be id last super Bowl he was in, he
was really really good.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
He had a couple that costly turnover, but he ain't
really the reason they lost. So you know, shout out
to Jalen Hurts because that man sticks to it.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
So tell me if this analogy is bad, and y'all
tell me in the comments too, whether or not this
is this is a bad analogy.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I don't because I don't want it to come off
like a like an insult.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
But for Patrick Mahomes, like as you mentioned, Jalen Hurts,
I think objectively out played Patrick Mahomes in the when.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
They face each other previously.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yes, uh definitely I played him in this in this
particular super Bowl. And even though he's technically won and
one they very they could have won the previous one, yes,
is is Jalen hurts winning this super Bowl and what
it does for his legacy, and you mentioned how far
he's come along. Is he kind of set up to
be a little bit like Eli Manning And by that
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I mean this is that Like again, this is not,
this is not.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
And Jalen Hurts, it really isn't.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
But what Eli Manning, as you know, and this is
really an appropriate conversation having been that he didn't make
the first ballot Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
He shouldn't have, by the way, he.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Shouldn't even be in consideration.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
He I mean, who you know, you could be a
super Bowl winning heread of quarterback without being having a
Hall of Fame resume, just saying it's like, doesn't have
a Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
At no point in that.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Dude's history was he ever considered the top five best
quarterback in the league ever.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
But I don't want to go on a tangent five.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Record towards career correct, and his awarding meteor and his.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Weight and his superpower is his availability, like the number
of consecutive games played was like what he did, right?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
So anyway, all that.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Being said, I do think Jalen hurts. You know, I
don't think talent wise, like they're not the same. But
from this standpoint, is that given where the Eagles are,
given what he did against Patrick Mahomes both times, is
that is he sort of that unexpected foil to Patrick
Mahomes the same way Eli was to Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
I think it's less about competing for MVPs, and I
look at Jalen Hurts as being the blueprint of what
gms and team presidents and team owners should look for.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Like, let's look at the Eagles last year.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
They won good on defense, so they did what they
needed to do to make their defense good, and they
got themselves a steady running game, got them good running back,
They got some good receivers. You don't need an all
world talent at court.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
We always looked Cam.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Newton got roasted for this last year talking about your
boy party, but then he wound up being right. There's
nothing wrong with having a system quartered that. You don't
need Jayalen Herscher throw for all these yalls. You just
need him to just not mess up. He can run,
he makes the right passes when he needs to. That's
what he was doing last night. If that system actually works,
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because that is an easier system than trying to find
this all world quarterback every year that we still how
long we've been playing football, we still haven't figured out
how to draft qbs and who's the right QB and
who's the right coordinator, what's the right system. It usually
blows up and franchise face. So I'm looking at Jalen Herts, like,
if you're smart, do what the Eagles are doing with
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Jalen Harns.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Yeah, you got to pay them a lot.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Of money because that's just what the market is. But
if you can just surround them with talent and not
let them beat themselves. We saw the Baltimore Reagans do
it with Trent Dilford, Like, you don't need.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
The best quarterback in the world to win.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
It's just that we get obsessed when you got sexy
quarterback who can make all the throws, because it looks
like because quarterback is the no supported position in American sports.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
But are you trying to have a sexy quarterback on
magazine covers or are you trying to have a sustainable
system for your franchise that can compete and win and
be there every year? Which one do you want to do?
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Because you can't have both We've only seen it on
a couple of rare occasions, and it feels like, just
like in life, people want to be the exceptions to
the norm instead of admitting that they are the norm
and figuring out how to be the best norm maker.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
You know, somebody said this in the Chata Young. Don't
know where you're from, Dave, I actually think this might
be a better comparison than like Eli Manning, because I
thought that I was probably shading him.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
It felt like I was shading him. Troy Aikman. Yes,
Troy Aikman is, thank you, Dave Young. Troy Aikman is.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
A perfect solid running game, receivers, offensive line.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
That might be perfect.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
That might be the perfect comparison to what we're seeing
is like Jalen Hurts ceiling is maybe Troy Aikman.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Now look at Troy a You're making all this money, yeah,
working with eighteen weekends a year, like, yeah, be Troy Aikman.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Try to be like Jalen Hurts. That's the way to go. Yes.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
So the other side of this, looking at the other
or other quarterback, Patrick Mahomes, A lot of people were
saying before this Super Bowl happened that if if Patrick
Mahomes won three straight, something Tom Brady never did. Tom
Brady's been in the most Super Bowls, He's got the
most rings for a quarterback. With Patrick Mahomes by winning
three in a row, would that put him over Tom Brady?
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Now that that.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Didn't happen, and it didn't happen, and it happened in
a way that was humiliating for Patrick Mahomes. What would
you say or where would you say? Patrick Mahomes is
now in this gold debate? Is he eliminated or is
it just like two soon?
Speaker 4 (38:20):
First of all, I know what they're going to do
to Patrick Mahomes because of this, which I think is
going to be fair, because I thought it was unfair
to put him in this position. There is like we
just jumped to this conversation of like, oh, Mahomes can't
he catch Brady? Can't he Brady? And I often asked
a question, Hey, y'all, I don't think he's better for Tanna,
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Like how did he just automatically jump Joe Mark.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Not a fan. I'm not mad.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Like where there's there's a list like it's it's okay,
like it to me?
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Is Brady Montana Manny?
Speaker 4 (38:59):
That's the list of top three to me, and I'm like, Okay,
we can see that Mahomes is on the way and
it's coming.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
But people was just putting.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Him and I'm like, he ain't bro like y'all just
assuming he just going reel off all these super Bowl championships.
And I'm like, you mentioned earlier that Jalen outplayed him
in the first one. So if we go by that narrative,
he's been an outplayed in three of his five super Bowls.
Everybody else Brady ain't never been out played. He might
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have lost some, he ain't been out played. I ain't
never seen Joe Montana be out played by nobody. No,
he ain't had a couple of clunkers.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Oh yeah, Oh but now we saw I mean Peyton
Manning took a similar ass with that past against the Seahawks. Correct, yeah,
we saw him face the same thing.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
But it's like, hey man, it's it's let's it's one
of the things people do in our industry that I hate.
It's like, can we slow down comparisons all the time
and just let these guys fell up because I like
to look and compare. If we're going to do that
when everyone's when they're done playing, because it's like the
person you compare them to, their resume is complete. This
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other person is still trying to fill out the resume
lines and the years and the stats and what they
all did. And I think we I know, this next
week of sports talking all these shows, it's going to be, oh,
what the homes need to do. That's just been a
blow to his legacy. And it's just like he lost
the game. He may have more opportunities. He may not
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old enough to remember when the Buffalo Bills with the
four straight Super Bowls and then win won. Like sports
gets weird, sometimes you never know what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
So if you just automatically assume that this level of.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
Goatness that they like to throw out, it is just
automatically being for someone you don't get your feeling.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Well, I'll put this. Put it this way, Tom Brady
got some breathing room now.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
And I already start even be that breathing room you
do with the ten Super Bowls.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
I know, but dude, if he have completed this three
pat I mean, that's something that's never been done in
NFL history, it would have been hard not to say
he wasn't on Brady's.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Neck after that until you get seven.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
We plowed through that part. We got a few a
couple of minutes to go. Let's get in the Kendrick, lamar,
Let's get in the Kendrick all right? What did you
think of his performance?
Speaker 3 (41:22):
A as I tried to get the son in my face?
What happened?
Speaker 4 (41:31):
I thought about this all day because I knew you
were gonna ask.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
I understand why people.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Love it, okay.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
I understand why people hate it okay, And I understand
why people think. And I was trying to find something
their and I figured it out. Think about all the
Kendrick performances, Grammy's difficuencies had. Kendrick likes to get real artistic,
like watching the Kendrick performances like you're gonna need As
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you can see your social media, he is probably covered
with think pieces and people who with a tenth grade
reading level trying to live.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
It break it down for what the brother was trying.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
To Just like you don't know what he was talking about,
the red in the blue for America. I was like
it was also crips of bloods okay, Like let's not.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Wait.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
I'm glad you said that because I'm not gonna lie.
That was my minute. My minute time.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
I was like.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
And I was like, this is.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
I was like, oh, Sam Jackson, Uncle Sam, Yeah, this
is a flag.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
But I was like, look, man, his performances are very
artsy and very deep. Correct you know it reminds me
of Chris Nolan.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Oh yeah, I'm a Chris thing.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
And I love the Chris Nolan movie. You gotta go
back to three times.
Speaker 4 (42:59):
You might to read a review or write up or
interview with him to see what he really meant in
this one scene. And then I have friends who are like, bro,
I ain't go to the movies to do all this thing.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
And that's what last night was.
Speaker 4 (43:14):
There were the people who it was for and they
loved it. And then yes, there's that crowd that is
just like I hate this and we know why they
hate this.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
But then there are some people who are just like, bro,
I didn't.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
Cut on the Super Bowl to have to like read
the source to figure what level is?
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Like, what what is is that? Is that squid game?
Is that a PlayStation buttons? What are they? Is that
a prison? It's like so I get it, because but
this is.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
The thing that made the most rele good point me
and I saw somebody write this some Twitter, like we
had set through enough Errol Smith led Zeppelins and whoever
had times to finally have one for people that was
it for death, Like we're just finally get it into
because of this jay Z deal. And it's like, yes,
the last five or six years in a row, the
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people who never got the halftime for them are finally
getting their chance, and people are angry about it, and
I understand why you ain't, but it's like, to balance
the scales, you gotta go completely in the other way
to even this thing out. Maybe by twenty thirty it'll
be every other year. Maga, non, Magan, you.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Can do it like that. But for now, it's like, hey.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
See this is proof of therapy. Let's just have some
moments America. But we can understand that not everything.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
That's very true.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
I want to read a comment here from Rye Hill
shy Bulls, who says Kendrick does nothing for me. But
I got emotional in a white room recognizing how big
the moment was for hip hop. When the performance was over,
there was no conversation about it but them.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
I mean, I I was just asked that, brother, why
was you in that room watching that game? No safe spaces, Brother,
safe spaces.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
I mean a lot of people I know had issues
with some of the songs that that he chose. Some
people thought like, you know, he should have done the hits.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
But but he did.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Do you know he did some pretty big hits, right,
Like he did some stuff from the Damn.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
I forgot what the song he did from Damn.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
He did the song with Sizza I'm not the one
on just on this one, Luther, but also.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Black Panthers sound all the Stars, All the Stars, which
it was a big hit, like Zelda S. Wallace.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
She said, Kendrick's performance gray B minus C plus. I
wanted to hear Swimming Pools all right, black and the
berry Bitch Don't Kill.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
My vibe for I knew the song I knew he
wasn't doing was not Bitch Don't Kill My vi was alright,
I knew he was. I knew that song wasn't happen. Yes, yeah,
I knew he wasn't doing that.
Speaker 4 (46:00):
But if he would have been like, look, I know
I think this a couple of years ago, but we
need this song more than never.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Right now, That's what's interesting is.
Speaker 4 (46:08):
That he would have had Sam come out and been like,
oh my life, I had some.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
It would have been fits.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Kate Boy eighty one says, you could bet your last dollar.
Next year is halftime, We'll be white. Last five super Bowl.
Oh I'm calling it out. Next super Bowl it's country.
I don't know what it's gonna be country and not
shaboozie and not be out.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Next year is in San Francisco, Santa Clair.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
Oh right, listen, it's gonna be uh uh yeah. I
can't even think of how other way they're gonna swing. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
What's the girl who's seen the Sunday night football that
sold out that inauguration?
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Is that? Is that Carrie Underwood. It's gonna be carried,
but it might be anyway, my my home girl, who
I know?
Speaker 3 (47:09):
You know?
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Kelly Carter said, why not e forty?
Speaker 3 (47:12):
Kelly, Kelly go to bed.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
We know, damn well, I'm here for it. We know
damn well, it won't be forty.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
You think they're gonna like earl in there, They're gonna
earl Earl. A. J.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Jones said, smells like post malone and carry Underwood post
Malone that's a good call.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
That is a really good call, really good call.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
Because this is the super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (47:35):
If you get Post Malone, Post don't have to do
his biggest hit, and Post's biggest hit is when he
was cosplaying as a hip hop ar stay not listen
he who can Who's well?
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Thank you so much, my friend for joining me on
this special edition of Politics where we broke down all
things super Bowl, everything from the rooty to the two
d as they say, can you tell.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
The good people where they can find your work?
Speaker 4 (48:03):
I have a substant called the lead l E D E.
That is a little inside hook for the OG and
the real journalists in the game, the understanding meaning.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
All of us. Hello, covert a pyramid in the house.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
I caught it going with Dash thirty and I was like, God, that's.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Really I would appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
I would love it.
Speaker 4 (48:25):
But yeah, find me there and you know, might have
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Okay, welcome everybody out there. This is I guess in
these podcast streets they refer to this as an emergency pod.
I don't necessarily look at it that way, but welcome
to a live version of politics, Sports and politics. That's
where the name comes from. And of course, as everyone knows,
yesterday's Super Bowl happened. The Philadelphia Eagles absolutely whooped the
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Kansas City Chiefs, who are going for a third straight
Super Bowl, something that had never been done in NFL history.
Joining me right now to break all of these things
down is Karen J. Phillips, who is from the mighty,
mighty city of Saginaw. And I'm sure he will tell
you at some point in this conversation where Serena Williams,
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in his mind really hails from.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
And it is not California.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
It is for the fabulous city that is emblazoned across
his Yes, as we break down everything that has happened,
and you could catch Karn he is.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
He's got a wonderful sub stack.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
He's a sports journalist of many years, acclaimed, award winning,
whatever else. The worst thing about this this young man
is that he's a Michigan fan.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
That's the that's the worst thing.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
He's a combination, a rare combination of Michigan football and
do basketball, which I don't know how that happened.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I feel like somewhere along your lineage something it.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Means I like winners. That's what it means.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
It means I like winners.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Okay, that's really easy. Yeah, And as you all know,
I went to Michigan State, so you already know what
I think about Michigan.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
But we don't put all that aside.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Even though Kendrick Lamar inspires us all to be our
petty yourselves, We're gonna put all of that aside and
focus on what happened in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
So, Karen, what to.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
You were your major takeaway is from that absolute shell
lacking that Philadelphia gave the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
That the Kansas City Chiefs have been exposed twice now
in the biggest stage in sports, and it's always the
same issue.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Okay, the previous time are you referring to Tampa Bay.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Their two losses? In my homes era I'm speaking of
is like your offensive line sucks because this is the
second time we've seen a team go We're just gonna
get pressured before and drop everyone back, and when you
do that, it doesn't go well.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
For Patrick.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
It is a It is a complete As I was watching,
it was like the middle of the first quarter and
I was like, Oh, they just studied the film of
what the Bucks did to them, and like.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yeah, you mentioned it.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I don't understand why teams don't parame towards it's more
and I'm not even being petty, but if you paid
attention to Michigan football this year, it's the same thing
what we did to Ohio State in Alabama. If your
front four is good enough and the way that these
defensive coordinators are creative enough of their schemes, you can
do a lot of things to shut down a really
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good quarterback. If just your four guys getting pressure on
a game, if you want to zone it up, if
you want to put brackets around different receivers with your nickelbacks,
or if you got some linebackers in there who could
cover well enough and with your corners and dbs. And
that's what we saw last night was is exactly what
the Bucks did.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Last time. We seen the Chiefs get blown out like this,
and it's always.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Pressure from the front floor and not a good game
from patching, but that offense as a whole, it was
terrible last night.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
But you said something interesting. You said that you know,
basically they studied what the Bucks did. So then my
question would be, did Buffalo not study this? Did the
Ravens not study Did anybody in the AFC other than
the Bengals we know Joe Burrow has gotten past Patrick Mahomes,
did they not study the same blueprint? Like so to be,
in some ways this is an indictment against the rest
of the AFC, because I'm like, wait a minute, and
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I listen.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I realized that I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Slight the Eagles in any regard because the Eagles defensive
line is something special like that is. Every team isn't
equipped nor has the physicality of that line. So I
want to make it seem like creating that kind of
defensive pressure is anybody can do it. But if you
are Baltimore, if you're a Buffalo, and this is the
one team you can't get past, you would think that
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maybe they would have come up with something that would
have borrowed from what we've seen Tampa Bay do and
certainly from what the Eagles did in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Now what I will think it will do that.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
I will not be surprised if you see the Ravens
in the fields sign or draft some defensive lineen right
this year, because like you said, it's all about you
have to have the talent to do it right.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
And I think this is twice now.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
I do think even the Bengals, if you can throw
them in, I think you're going to see those AFS
teams focused on defensive linemen and just even having some backups.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
They you can keep that defensive lineman on that line fresh.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
And because if you've got a good secondary and a
good linebacker for then you got all and you're good
at all three levels.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Did but if you can just sit four so we.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
See what how many months we got to the draft
or free agency starts we see them signing.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
If Miles Garrett winds up over the AFC.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Or you know, or Baltimore, then we know what we
talked about today is coming to that, all right.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I don't want to get too much in the weeds
of the game. We will certainly get back to it.
And there's some overarching question about whether or not Philadelphia's
championship window is opening further than that they might be
sitting on the dynasty.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
This is what their second super Bowl and I think
like five years or something like something like that.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah, you all know that they've been recently and lost
to the same team. Before we even get all up,
let's just start from the top of this super Bowl, right,
so everybody out there in the chat, maybe y'all knew this.
I didn't know this, So I don't really like pregame shows,
like really, for whether it be a regular season game
a playoff fans like not really my jam. I'll listened
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for a while, but then it's just like, all right,
I just want the game to start, so I'll just
like watch something else. Now, I did hear that Letacy
was performing Lift Every Voice and Sing, and I liked
Letacy and I wanted to see Letta see and I'm
you know, it's about five o'clock. I turned in and
I'm like, the hell is Lift Every Voice and Sing?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
And I was told.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
From the people out of those streets that that didn't happen.
That happened she sung it, but at like four o'clock,
and they had it so early in the program. Now
we already know coming into this that the NFL decided
to take out the end racism slogans.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
You know where I'm going with this.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Then suddenly it's like lift every voice and saying they
wanted to make sure it was on Carava sorta kind of, So.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
What was up with that?
Speaker 4 (07:05):
For maybe the first time ever in my career, I'm
going to defend the league.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Oh my god, you're defending them? Oh my oh.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
I got to hear this because no, there's a report
that they were like the super Bowl that's going to start,
Like is he the thirty minutes or an hour earlier
this year?
Speaker 3 (07:23):
And where I was watching the.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Game, I think it's maybe because we in the industry
and we know these people and we know who is
good and who was not good, which is why we
probably don't watch pre game in postgameing most of the
time halftime either. But I was like, uh, yeah, y'all
we should because it's five thirty. I was like, we
should call it. We should cut it on at like
four thirty. People was like, yeah, this a little early,
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and I'm like, nah, Like lift every voice and sing
anthem America the beautiful starting intros the video packaged montages
kickoff is at five thirty. They gonna start the inner
two caming around like four things about like four fifteen,
four to twenty. We cut it on and then so
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I saw it all and I figured give it about
an hour to get everybody on and off the field,
all these packages.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
They gotta do start line ups.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
I didn't think they were going to do the start
line up the way they did it, But yeah, I
wasn't surprised the way they did it that way.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Scheduling was on time.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
They were not on CP time, even though it felt
very CPS shitting there with the New Orleans stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
But so you do so do you think it was
purposeful or was it just the way things wound up?
Speaker 4 (08:38):
No, it usually goes there early, like because I've covered
the Super Bowl before and that it went with the
normal schedule it does. But me being in the press box,
I didn't really know what time it actually was. But
by the actual schedule that it goes from, it went
like it normally does. But I can understand why you
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have your suspicion.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Because I was thinking it was like road.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
It was just like Lift Every Voice in my mind,
That's how I saw always like Lift Every Voice America,
the beautiful, but like it's just like boom boom, boom,
boom boom. They just kind of get it out of
the way. And I was like, did I did I
miss it?
Speaker 4 (09:13):
No, because they generally do, even like because I covered
to see if pe that year, the actual Jalen hurts
for two a game, I cover that game, and I
remember the pregame entertainment for that way, and it usually
goes that order if they do all three songs and
the anthem is the last one before any starting lineups
or video package they might do for the TV.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
So all right, they they they ain't. They ain't doing
what's wrong, y'all. That's how it goes.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
So what about And by the way, thank you all
for joining us who are on the live stream that's
on YouTube right now. I see your comments. We will
be reading and responding to a few. And also if
you have any questions, make sure that you put those,
you know, in the comments section, because we're we're going
to get to some of those.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
All right, what about in racism? The racism men?
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Is that what they took it out there is own
So the NFL, for those who don't know, they've had
these slogans, and let me be clear, I never liked
the slogans like I never like in racism, all those
performative slogans because.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
It's like it takes all of us. We don't we
didn't start this.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
We just not.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
This is not our problem people, right, Okay, so it
takes all of us in racism. They started doing a
lot of those of course post George Floyd, they started
that performative stuff, just like a lot of people did
who now have walked a lot of that stuff back.
And so they chose on the biggest stage of their
signature event that no, no, not right now, it's not
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gonna be about racism. It's gonna be about choosing love.
So did you think that decision was time to the
fact that President Trump was coming to the super Bowl
and it was going to be the first sitting president
to ever I'm to.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
A super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (11:02):
It is this time and leave a halftime right because
he won't No parts of that, Kendrick Lamar didn't.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
But anyway, we don't get to that. We don't get
to that, all right.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
So did you you said you were going to defend
the league? Are you defending the league about this?
Speaker 3 (11:16):
As what?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Okay? Who is my friend right now?
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Okay, No, like you, I hated it from the start,
especially someone like me that has called out the league
like more time than I cancount. But I was in
the room and what was it twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen,
I think it was twenty eighteen.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Remember the the anthem policy.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Oh yeah, I was at that press conference that lasted
what three days or a couple of weeks. So I
have seen this from the very beginnings to the apology
Goodel did with Acho and all of that, and I
the end zone messages always angered me, and so the
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timing of it one, I was like, they never should.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Have been there.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
I'm happy it's gone. But like you said, yeah, the
coincidence of your boy and the old showing.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Up my boy and.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
That being there and the end, it's just like, come on, man,
But you also have to remember what I found, because
at this point, I'm just finding the comedy in the
In the Last Days of America.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Was that in the final season yea, the final the
final season of America.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
They announced that they were taking it out of the
end Zone. I believe it was like Tuesday morning. I
saw the first tweets and got like thefication. But if
you go back to Goodell's press conference on Monday, it
was him tripling down on DEI stuff, and it was like,
how would it matter of like twelve hours that you
know that we stayed in ten tons down on di
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which all your DEI.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Stuff has been flimsy from jump to ah.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
We're taking like the DEI stuff off the field.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah, it's been confirmed, old boy, it's coming. And it's
just like, this is just the history of what this
league does. They say one thing, they cut a check
for this.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
But when it's time for some something concrete for you
to hold on or for you to believe in, it
gets real some time.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
So to be fair, I'm just gonna provide what the
league explanation was, so for those out there who are
you know, watching or right now live or who'll be
listening later. The league's explanation was that given the wildfires
in California, because of the tragedy in DC with the
plane crash, that they wanted to switch up the messaging
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and also of course the tragedy that happened in New Orleans.
In New Orleans, they wanted to switch up the messaging
to match the fact that you had some other tragedies
that have taken place, and they wanted to make sure
that they gave that a noteworthy acknowledgement.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
It is part of the reason why in that pregame festivities,
you saw Tom Brady, your boy, who looked like he'd
never woonn a T shirt in his life, Like what
was he had on that lab.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
He never wore a T shirt that cheat before.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
So that's how you know you're wealthy.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
You can't even wait, like you so wealthy, the T
shirt don't even fit your body right, because it's like,
this is not the fabric we're accustomed to this regular
He was like.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
This is not Egyptian, like what is happening here?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
So but there was you know, Tom Brady, you know
there of course acknowledging straight hand. Yeah, with the first responders,
the firefighters what they have done. So it did go
on theme. But to your point, I would say that
it's hard sometimes, even if the League is telling the truth,
to give them the benefit of the doubt, because the
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timing of this was a little strange, and there's part
of me that wonders if Trump wasn't coming with they
have still chosen to put in racism in the end zone. Again,
I didn't love it either, just like you did. And
a lot of it is. And you know this from
your history of covering the league. The league loves to
not look racist. They don't mind being racist, all right,
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because this is the same league that just a couple
of years ago they decided to end race Norman.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
And for those out there who do not know what
race Norman is.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
In the concussion settlement, they pretty much tried to use
bogus science to deny a lot of black players part
of the concussion settlement by going with the theory that
black players had lower cognitive ability. So therefore, when they're
trying to prove the trauma, the head trauma they've suffered
the long lasting effects of concussions, they had a much
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higher threshold to prove that based off the baseline theory
that their cognitive abilities was lower.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
To begin with, your NFL out there, people, and we
can go and.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Talk about the Rooney rule and the history of it.
So much like you, when Roger Goodell at the Super
Bowl during his Super Bowl Annual Super Bowl press conference,
when he's talking about how they're gonna stick to DEI
and all that, it really didn't mean anything, because what
is it d I in the NFL ever met You know,
it took them one hundred seasons to get their first
black team president.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I mean, clearly, whatever d I ain't us, it ain't.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Working, all right.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
You said to you said the benefit of the bat,
And that's the perfect term because people don't realize to
receive the benefit of the bat, that means you would
have to earn something enough for people to give that
to you. The league has never earned it, right, which
is why we so rarely give them the benefit of
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the doubt, because we don't have enough history. There's nothing
on their resume for us to believe, Oh, this is
a flip, this is just a misstep. Oh they didn't
actually mean this, and it's just not there. And you
look at the timing of everything and it was just like, wait,
so we can't choose love and they're.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Both kind of the same.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Theoretical concept is like, if you choose love, you probably
don't do racist ship. That's probably like they probably they
probably don't.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
On top of the fact that right after that, you
had a commercial with Snoop talking about we should.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Okay, all right, you brought it up, so we will
go here Now, there was a you know, a lot
of interesting commercials. One of the ones that drew a
lot of reaction from people was Tom Brady and Snoop
Dogg yelling at each other about hate because this was
supposed to be part of an anti hate campaign. And
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let me just say, overall, if you look at the
messages that were in a lot of the Super Bowl
as it was about multiculturalism, about togetherness, it.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Was real.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Right, and it felt.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Very inflicting in the backdrop of what is happening in
our country overall.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
But what what was your.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Because Snoop got flambayed for that choose hate or that
not choose hate? Sorry about the anti hate commercial that
he did with with Todd Brady. So what was your
What were your thoughts about the Snoop commercial?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Look, I wrote about them a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
All of them about him, Nelly, Soldier, Boyd Brick.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
The Trump inauguration festivities.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Yes, man, I have always been about one message, and
it might be controversial, but it is true.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Rappers beat up.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
And I said it that way because they do beat up.
And I had a line in the collar roll and
I was like, it's a little secret like, I don't
think rappers want equality, like rappers want white milk privilege,
and seeing all them rush to perform for a bad
is proof of that. So seeing him in that commercial
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with Tom Brady, it was like, all right, one of
these dudes had a maga hat in his locker. We
got snooped to it this And I think the thing
that bothers people so much about Snoop that if you
are a certain age, if you are us or older,
we were meant to us. It's not the most famous
rapper who he is. He's the most famous. It's not
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the stuff with Martha Stewart. It's not that he can
sell anything because he's snooped. It's that we remember Calvin
Broadest versus and his try so to.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Seem murder was the case in real time.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
To see him go for that, to performing there, it
is like what happened? Yeah, Like the progress in the
growth was one thing, but it's like, nah, bro, I
remember you cussing out Gail Can five years ago about Kobe,
Like as much progress as you can point to, or bro,
every couple of years he's done something that you point
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to and you just like, nah, bro, Like what's what's
going on here? And we see it all the time.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
We see it with Ice Cube every four years as
a presidential election.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
We see it with Waka Flaka, but when we pull
up his voting records team never voted before. We saw
it with jay Z with the deal for chopping it up,
Giggling Key Kid, with Roger Godevils at twenty nineteen. See
it with Kanye every other month. We see it with
Drake Lost. Like you go through the history of rap
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and it's always look Man. As much as we loved
him as artists, as people, we did ourselves an injustice
of labeled them as voices of the community when a
lot of the time these are dudes who can't tell
you the three branches of the government and they should
have never been in these positions to speak for.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Us in that way.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
You know, Here's the thing is, like I wasn't totally
shocked about Soldier Boy.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I was like, yeah, nobody ever shocked. He's the one
I can respect the most because he was.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Like because yes, he never tried to pretend it was
anything else.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
He was like, yo, Obama didn't do this.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
You know, it's kind of dumb, but like whatever, I
kind of expect a certain amount.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Of foolishness from Soldier Boy.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
The surprise with Snoop, and I think much for what
you said is given what his the art of his career.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
We've seen it. We saw where white people.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Did not fuck with Snoop at all, like at.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
All of America's most wonted it ain't nothing.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
We saw that ship in real time.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
We lived it right So and then it's also hard
to because I live here in La like I'm I'm
right next to Inglewood, and it is very true like
Snoop is very embedded in the community. He does great
stuff around here all the time, like everything, and to
see him do that, and then I think this is
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part of that cognitive dissonance you're talking about. Is that
for them, it's just all I'm just taking some money,
I'm just taking a bag. It's just another performance. No,
it's not like it is absolutely not another performance. This
is something bigger. This is something deeper. And especially if
it's check, it's a check you ain't gotta take all.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Right, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
And look, I'm not trying to get in anybody's pocket.
But Snoop is the most marketable rapper ever, like ever
you know what I'm saying. It's like he could sell
what do they say, he could sell ketchup popsicles to
a man in white gloves.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
That is where Snoop is. So he has the ability
to pick and choose what he does.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
And you know, he is not really providing an explanation,
which I appreciate. He just like, let me be me,
let me do my snoop thing, Okay, Nelly. However, to
me in deeper trouble by trying to justify what he did,
I would rather to your point, I would rather use
and like so say, guess what they was offering me?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Too much money? Y'all?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
It just is what it is. Cool, I can I
can respect that to a degree. I don't know, but
I don't have to like it. But at least I
know you're not playing in my face. But for Nelly
to make it about the military, I was like, Bro,
you could go to any any Army base, any Navy base,
any air force base in the world and perform. If
you really think this is about the military, it's not.
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And it's just like respect to America. I'm like, I mean,
did you by not performing, are you disrespecting America? It's
like what right, And then it's sort of there was
reports that Nelly got a million and a half to perform,
and I'll just say this, like had he been like, hey, y'all,
it was a million and a half. All I have
to do is show up and do hot in here,
and that was it.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
I understand, okay, But but the question there I would
ask him be like, listen, I get it. I'm not
trying to turn down one point for anybody, but you
have to ask yourself, why is the price so high?
There's a reason they're paying you so much for this,
and not to go off too far, get too deep,
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you know, in baseball. But we had had conversations about this,
about people, certain people who look like us aligning with
that too, just like they're a certain journalism organization that
made a decision last summer that we had a lot
of conversations about. And those when those things happen, those
are the things that hurt the worst when you see
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it from people or organizations you didn't think it was
coming from. Because yes, you understand, the might about have
been trying to hold them accountable, ask them some questions,
and yes, it might have just been a bag and
you needed that bag. But it's like, are you all
thinking long term? Because they are giving you all this money,
but they're using this opportunity so they can use it
against you in the future. Because that's why at some
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point he's going to be like, hey, Snooper and Elly,
they love me, and the same way that he used
that opportunity last summer to be.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Like, oh is she black?
Speaker 4 (25:04):
I didn't know she just turned black, and then you
have the headline that they can run forever and instead
of talking about the actual issue, we're sitting here and.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Talking about raptors right because.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
You had to go perform for some reason in DC
when there are other things you could have been doing.
We know you got enough money, you didn't need that check.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
No, And it's like, I mean, and I don't love
saying that, because, like you know, we never know people's situations,
and certainly just living life, like a lot of us
have to make these kinds of decisions, maybe not of
that magnitude, small decisions that we kind of have to
do that You and I have both worked in mainstream media.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Our decision to even work the mainstream media.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Is a compromise because we often have work for companies
who do whose values do not align with ours. But
we have chosen to stay in that fight and be
in that fight because we felt like, Okay, if this
platform is mainstream, somehow, we got to be represented in
that even though value alignment is not there.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
What I will, you know, to put a bone on
that part of it.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
What I what I will also say too, is that
I think this administration, in particular, to this person in particular,
they like to use black entertainers as a way to
say fuck.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
You to the black community. Yes, and by that I
mean this is that they.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Like the idea they want to show us like, oh,
y'all so revolutionary.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Here, y'all so political, y'allso against us. Let me watch this,
watch this, right. That's that's basically what they're saying.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
It's like, oh, y'all, y'all think y'all stand for something,
let me show you what you don't stand for.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Here you go.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Watch this.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
All right.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
We're gonna take a quick break and we have more
to come on politics. Hmm, all right, So we have
all that again. This is the first sitting president to
ever come to a super Bowl. And let me just
remind people of something about that you know, because I
(27:11):
saw bits and pieces of the Fox interview interview that
he did to sort of set up the super Bowl
that it was. You know, since the super Bowl was
air by Fox, it's not a surprise that they would
sort of.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Time just to an interview.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
And I believe, uh, the president's comments were something along
the line of like wanting to basically be a part
of something that is very American and all that.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
But here's the thing. Everybody was like, Oh, it's so
dope the president. Some people, not everybody.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Well, the reason why there's a reason why presidents tend
to not show up for these scenes. Let me tell
you what the president's day was that day. He played
golf with Tiger Woos in the morning.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Whatever. So he played, he play golf, Attacker, Wizard the board.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
It comes to the Super Bowl later on. One is that
self aware presidents understand wherever they go is a huge
amount of money that puts on taxpayers. Him just coming
to the super Bowl costs and estimated ten million dollars.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
That's and traffic and security.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
It just it sends when it's already a big event
and we know what just happened in New Orleans. Maybe
if he would have said like, oh, I'm showing up
because something tragic happened in New Orleans and I felt
like I needed to be there. But that would mean
empathy and common sense, which we know this president doesn't
do right. So we know that's not gonna happen. So
it cost a lot of money for the president to
(28:38):
go anywhere. And I remember something that former President Barack
Obama said that part of the reason he stopped golfing
basically while he was president, because every time he came
to a course, it caused total disruption in that community.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
So self aware, even George Bush says.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Something similar, not about golf, but like just being mindful
about where you go because it cast a lot of money,
it causes a lot of habit.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
That's why they don't show up. They're too busy. That's
the other thing.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
You just realize we're at a point so bad that
George looks like a sensible present.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Almost every hateful comment I said about that, I don't know.
I don't feel that I'm just being facetious. I don't
actually feel bad about it, but but it's it. But
it does look different, and you know, under the light now,
compared to what we've seen.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
We thought that was the bottom, that we.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Were at the bottom, and then I found out.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
There's another there's another one to go.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
So we have all this before the game has even started,
and and you know, let's now get back to, you know,
the game. A little bit overarching themes here. Jalen Hurts
is somebody that has been maligned the good bit of
his career. You know, he lost his starting job at Alabama,
had to transfer to Oklahoma.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I mean, yeah, oh at that game when he.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Right, Listen, here's the thing about that game which puts
both these points together. You talk about all the stuff
that happens when the president goes be amount of traffic
it costs. I was living in Atlanta driving down seventeen
five eighty five to the stadium. I was the only
car on the highway. I had never seen that before
because people were not driving around that time, because everybody
(30:33):
was scared of the presidential motorcade and the traffic JamMan
will calls, which led to have the stadium being empty
for most of the first quarter because it took that
long for fans and even media to get to the
press box because of the additional security. Because he showed up,
but that was the game Perks got bitched. For tour,
(30:55):
we have covered every level of sports, particularly football, from
Preps D two, I've done HBCU D three, Power five, NFL.
Jalen Hurst performance in the first half of that game
and that's the beat NAS Championship game is uga. It's
still to this day the worst performance I've ever seen
from a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
He was absolutely corrageous.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
So from seeing him from that moment to last night,
Jalen Hurts is the epitome of being able to receive
criticism and keep working because he was at the bottom
of the bottom. Even if you think about the year
(31:39):
after he got pinched, and that very same building is
the game where he came back in the NCC Championship
against Georgia again when Tua got hurt, and he brought
them back to beat Georgia in that game. So he
throughout his career he has shown us that he has
a level of get it back. I guess you wanted
(32:01):
to call it that when stuff goes bad for him,
he figures out. Because there there were times this season
where people was, you know, they was brilliant man, and
rightfully so. But he has a tendency to show up
at it. Listen, I ain't saying he gonna do well
all the time, but if you need him to show
up and do well when it's time for him to
(32:23):
come through for you, he has shown us that he
could do on the collegiate level in the biggest moments
and championship games and nowaday in the super Bowl, because
let's be id last super Bowl he was in, he
was really really good.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
He had a couple that costly turnover, but he ain't
really the reason they lost. So you know, shout out
to Jalen Hurts because that man sticks to it.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
So tell me if this analogy is bad, and y'all
tell me in the comments too, whether or not this
is this is a bad analogy.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I don't because I don't want it to come off
like a like an insult.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
But for Patrick Mahomes, like as you mentioned, Jalen Hurts,
I think objectively out played Patrick Mahomes in the when.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
They face each other previously.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yes, uh definitely I played him in this in this
particular super Bowl. And even though he's technically won and
one they very they could have won the previous one, yes,
is is Jalen hurts winning this super Bowl and what
it does for his legacy, and you mentioned how far
he's come along. Is he kind of set up to
be a little bit like Eli Manning And by that
(33:29):
I mean this is that Like again, this is not,
this is not.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
And Jalen Hurts, it really isn't.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
But what Eli Manning, as you know, and this is
really an appropriate conversation having been that he didn't make
the first ballot Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
He shouldn't have, by the way, he.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Shouldn't even be in consideration.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
He I mean, who you know, you could be a
super Bowl winning heread of quarterback without being having a
Hall of Fame resume, just saying it's like, doesn't have
a Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
At no point in that.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Dude's history was he ever considered the top five best
quarterback in the league ever.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
But I don't want to go on a tangent five.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Record towards career correct, and his awarding meteor and his.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Weight and his superpower is his availability, like the number
of consecutive games played was like what he did, right?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
So anyway, all that.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Being said, I do think Jalen hurts. You know, I
don't think talent wise, like they're not the same. But
from this standpoint, is that given where the Eagles are,
given what he did against Patrick Mahomes both times, is
that is he sort of that unexpected foil to Patrick
Mahomes the same way Eli was to Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
I think it's less about competing for MVPs, and I
look at Jalen Hurts as being the blueprint of what
gms and team presidents and team owners should look for.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Like, let's look at the Eagles last year.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
They won good on defense, so they did what they
needed to do to make their defense good, and they
got themselves a steady running game, got them good running back,
They got some good receivers. You don't need an all
world talent at court.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
We always looked Cam.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Newton got roasted for this last year talking about your
boy party, but then he wound up being right. There's
nothing wrong with having a system quartered that. You don't
need Jayalen Herscher throw for all these yalls. You just
need him to just not mess up. He can run,
he makes the right passes when he needs to. That's
what he was doing last night. If that system actually works,
(35:43):
because that is an easier system than trying to find
this all world quarterback every year that we still how
long we've been playing football, we still haven't figured out
how to draft qbs and who's the right QB and
who's the right coordinator, what's the right system. It usually
blows up and franchise face. So I'm looking at Jalen Herts, like,
if you're smart, do what the Eagles are doing with
(36:06):
Jalen Harns.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Yeah, you got to pay them a lot.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Of money because that's just what the market is. But
if you can just surround them with talent and not
let them beat themselves. We saw the Baltimore Reagans do
it with Trent Dilford, Like, you don't need.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
The best quarterback in the world to win.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
It's just that we get obsessed when you got sexy
quarterback who can make all the throws, because it looks
like because quarterback is the no supported position in American sports.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
But are you trying to have a sexy quarterback on
magazine covers or are you trying to have a sustainable
system for your franchise that can compete and win and
be there every year? Which one do you want to do?
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Because you can't have both We've only seen it on
a couple of rare occasions, and it feels like, just
like in life, people want to be the exceptions to
the norm instead of admitting that they are the norm
and figuring out how to be the best norm maker.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
You know, somebody said this in the Chata Young. Don't
know where you're from, Dave, I actually think this might
be a better comparison than like Eli Manning, because I
thought that I was probably shading him.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
It felt like I was shading him. Troy Aikman. Yes,
Troy Aikman is, thank you, Dave Young. Troy Aikman is.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
A perfect solid running game, receivers, offensive line.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
That might be perfect.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
That might be the perfect comparison to what we're seeing
is like Jalen Hurts ceiling is maybe Troy Aikman.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Now look at Troy a You're making all this money, yeah,
working with eighteen weekends a year, like, yeah, be Troy Aikman.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Try to be like Jalen Hurts. That's the way to go. Yes.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
So the other side of this, looking at the other
or other quarterback, Patrick Mahomes, A lot of people were
saying before this Super Bowl happened that if if Patrick
Mahomes won three straight, something Tom Brady never did. Tom
Brady's been in the most Super Bowls, He's got the
most rings for a quarterback. With Patrick Mahomes by winning
three in a row, would that put him over Tom Brady?
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Now that that.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Didn't happen, and it didn't happen, and it happened in
a way that was humiliating for Patrick Mahomes. What would
you say or where would you say? Patrick Mahomes is
now in this gold debate? Is he eliminated or is
it just like two soon?
Speaker 4 (38:20):
First of all, I know what they're going to do
to Patrick Mahomes because of this, which I think is
going to be fair, because I thought it was unfair
to put him in this position. There is like we
just jumped to this conversation of like, oh, Mahomes can't
he catch Brady? Can't he Brady? And I often asked
a question, Hey, y'all, I don't think he's better for Tanna,
(38:43):
Like how did he just automatically jump Joe Mark.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Not a fan. I'm not mad.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Like where there's there's a list like it's it's okay,
like it to me?
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Is Brady Montana Manny?
Speaker 4 (38:59):
That's the list of top three to me, and I'm like, Okay,
we can see that Mahomes is on the way and
it's coming.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
But people was just putting.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Him and I'm like, he ain't bro like y'all just
assuming he just going reel off all these super Bowl championships.
And I'm like, you mentioned earlier that Jalen outplayed him
in the first one. So if we go by that narrative,
he's been an outplayed in three of his five super Bowls.
Everybody else Brady ain't never been out played. He might
(39:29):
have lost some, he ain't been out played. I ain't
never seen Joe Montana be out played by nobody. No,
he ain't had a couple of clunkers.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Oh yeah, Oh but now we saw I mean Peyton
Manning took a similar ass with that past against the Seahawks. Correct, yeah,
we saw him face the same thing.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
But it's like, hey man, it's it's let's it's one
of the things people do in our industry that I hate.
It's like, can we slow down comparisons all the time
and just let these guys fell up because I like
to look and compare. If we're going to do that
when everyone's when they're done playing, because it's like the
person you compare them to, their resume is complete. This
(40:08):
other person is still trying to fill out the resume
lines and the years and the stats and what they
all did. And I think we I know, this next
week of sports talking all these shows, it's going to be, oh,
what the homes need to do. That's just been a
blow to his legacy. And it's just like he lost
the game. He may have more opportunities. He may not
(40:29):
old enough to remember when the Buffalo Bills with the
four straight Super Bowls and then win won. Like sports
gets weird, sometimes you never know what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
So if you just automatically assume that this level of.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
Goatness that they like to throw out, it is just
automatically being for someone you don't get your feeling.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Well, I'll put this. Put it this way, Tom Brady
got some breathing room now.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
And I already start even be that breathing room you
do with the ten Super Bowls.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
I know, but dude, if he have completed this three
pat I mean, that's something that's never been done in
NFL history, it would have been hard not to say
he wasn't on Brady's.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Neck after that until you get seven.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
We plowed through that part. We got a few a
couple of minutes to go. Let's get in the Kendrick, lamar,
Let's get in the Kendrick all right? What did you
think of his performance?
Speaker 3 (41:22):
A as I tried to get the son in my face?
What happened?
Speaker 4 (41:31):
I thought about this all day because I knew you
were gonna ask.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
I understand why people.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Love it, okay.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
I understand why people hate it okay, And I understand
why people think. And I was trying to find something
their and I figured it out. Think about all the
Kendrick performances, Grammy's difficuencies had. Kendrick likes to get real artistic,
like watching the Kendrick performances like you're gonna need As
(42:00):
you can see your social media, he is probably covered
with think pieces and people who with a tenth grade
reading level trying to live.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
It break it down for what the brother was trying.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
To Just like you don't know what he was talking about,
the red in the blue for America. I was like
it was also crips of bloods okay, Like let's not.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Wait.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
I'm glad you said that because I'm not gonna lie.
That was my minute. My minute time.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
I was like.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
And I was like, this is.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
I was like, oh, Sam Jackson, Uncle Sam, Yeah, this
is a flag.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
But I was like, look, man, his performances are very
artsy and very deep. Correct you know it reminds me
of Chris Nolan.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Oh yeah, I'm a Chris thing.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
And I love the Chris Nolan movie. You gotta go
back to three times.
Speaker 4 (42:59):
You might to read a review or write up or
interview with him to see what he really meant in
this one scene. And then I have friends who are like, bro,
I ain't go to the movies to do all this thing.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
And that's what last night was.
Speaker 4 (43:14):
There were the people who it was for and they
loved it. And then yes, there's that crowd that is
just like I hate this and we know why they
hate this.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
But then there are some people who are just like, bro,
I didn't.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
Cut on the Super Bowl to have to like read
the source to figure what level is?
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Like, what what is is that? Is that squid game?
Is that a PlayStation buttons? What are they? Is that
a prison? It's like so I get it, because but
this is.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
The thing that made the most rele good point me
and I saw somebody write this some Twitter, like we
had set through enough Errol Smith led Zeppelins and whoever
had times to finally have one for people that was
it for death, Like we're just finally get it into
because of this jay Z deal. And it's like, yes,
the last five or six years in a row, the
(44:06):
people who never got the halftime for them are finally
getting their chance, and people are angry about it, and
I understand why you ain't, but it's like, to balance
the scales, you gotta go completely in the other way
to even this thing out. Maybe by twenty thirty it'll
be every other year. Maga, non, Magan, you.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Can do it like that. But for now, it's like, hey.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
See this is proof of therapy. Let's just have some
moments America. But we can understand that not everything.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
That's very true.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
I want to read a comment here from Rye Hill
shy Bulls, who says Kendrick does nothing for me. But
I got emotional in a white room recognizing how big
the moment was for hip hop. When the performance was over,
there was no conversation about it but them.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
I mean, I I was just asked that, brother, why
was you in that room watching that game? No safe spaces, Brother,
safe spaces.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
I mean a lot of people I know had issues
with some of the songs that that he chose. Some
people thought like, you know, he should have done the hits.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
But but he did.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Do you know he did some pretty big hits, right,
Like he did some stuff from the Damn.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
I forgot what the song he did from Damn.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
He did the song with Sizza I'm not the one
on just on this one, Luther, but also.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Black Panthers sound all the Stars, All the Stars, which
it was a big hit, like Zelda S. Wallace.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
She said, Kendrick's performance gray B minus C plus. I
wanted to hear Swimming Pools all right, black and the
berry Bitch Don't Kill.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
My vibe for I knew the song I knew he
wasn't doing was not Bitch Don't Kill My vi was alright,
I knew he was. I knew that song wasn't happen. Yes, yeah,
I knew he wasn't doing that.
Speaker 4 (46:00):
But if he would have been like, look, I know
I think this a couple of years ago, but we
need this song more than never.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Right now, That's what's interesting is.
Speaker 4 (46:08):
That he would have had Sam come out and been like,
oh my life, I had some.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
It would have been fits.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Kate Boy eighty one says, you could bet your last dollar.
Next year is halftime, We'll be white. Last five super Bowl.
Oh I'm calling it out. Next super Bowl it's country.
I don't know what it's gonna be country and not
shaboozie and not be out.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Next year is in San Francisco, Santa Clair.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
Oh right, listen, it's gonna be uh uh yeah. I
can't even think of how other way they're gonna swing. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
What's the girl who's seen the Sunday night football that
sold out that inauguration?
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Is that? Is that Carrie Underwood. It's gonna be carried,
but it might be anyway, my my home girl, who
I know?
Speaker 3 (47:09):
You know?
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Kelly Carter said, why not e forty?
Speaker 3 (47:12):
Kelly, Kelly go to bed.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
We know, damn well, I'm here for it. We know
damn well, it won't be forty.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
You think they're gonna like earl in there, They're gonna
earl Earl. A. J.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Jones said, smells like post malone and carry Underwood post
Malone that's a good call.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
That is a really good call, really good call.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
Because this is the super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (47:35):
If you get Post Malone, Post don't have to do
his biggest hit, and Post's biggest hit is when he
was cosplaying as a hip hop ar stay not listen
he who can Who's well?
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Thank you so much, my friend for joining me on
this special edition of Politics where we broke down all
things super Bowl, everything from the rooty to the two
d as they say, can you tell.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
The good people where they can find your work?
Speaker 4 (48:03):
I have a substant called the lead l E D E.
That is a little inside hook for the OG and
the real journalists in the game, the understanding meaning.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
All of us. Hello, covert a pyramid in the house.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
I caught it going with Dash thirty and I was like, God, that's.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Really I would appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
I would love it.
Speaker 4 (48:25):
But yeah, find me there and you know, might have
some other stuff clicking up very soon, so stay on looking.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
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for joining me. I appreciate you and the y'all y'all
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(48:52):
be more lives to come. Y'all, be easy out there,
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Speaker 2 (48:56):
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Speaker 1 (48:59):
Go, Get you some therapy, you some water, drink you
some green tea. As my esteame guests, just to suggest it,
you know, have some me time, have some self care.
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Speaker 1 (49:22):
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