Ep 39: The Politics of The Quincy Avery Effect - Featuring Quincy Avery

On this week's filibuster, Jemele shares her thoughts on Donald Trump reportedly preparing to sign an executive order that provides guidance on name, image, and likeness, and the president’s ordering the Washington Commanders and Cleveland Guardians to change their team nicknames back to the Redskins and Indians, which they changed in 2020 and 2022 because they were considered offensive to Native Americans. Jemele is then joined by Quincy Avery, who rose to being one of the top quarterback gurus in football. Avery discusses his Hulu documentary, “The Quincy Avery Effect," how he went from being homeless to tutoring star quarterbacks Jalen Hurts, Jordan Love, and C.J. Stroud, among others, and how he managed to build a relationship with some of the most prominent quarterbacks in the league. 

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, what's up everybody.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
I'm Jamel Hill and welcome to politics and iHeart podcasts
and unbothered production.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Time to get spolitical.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
At this point, Donald Trump is making it pretty easy
to discuss the relationship between sports and politics. In the
last week alone, there have been reports that Donald Trump
will sign an executive order that will govern name, image
and likeness, otherwise known as NIL. And then Trump took
the truth social ordering the Washington Commanders and the Cleveland
Guardians to revert back to their racist nicknames, with Trump

(00:40):
going so far as to threaten to hold up Washington's
new stadium deal if they don't obey his command. That
man doing everything but releasing them Epstein files. Now, most
experts believe Trump's nil executive order would be largely unenforceable,
like so many of his executive orders, but his willingness
to issue the order indicates that Trump has some sinsmpathy
for the NCAA, a sentiment that is undoubtedly guided by

(01:03):
his relationship with Senator Tommy Temperville and former coach Nick Saban.
Remember all those athletes doing the Trump dance? Yeah, fun times.
The NCAA spent a half a million dollars in the
first quarter of this year lobbying Congress. They desperately want
an anti trust exemption because then they wouldn't be subjected
to the same laws that prevent monopolies and promote fair competition.

(01:24):
College sports doesn't want a free market because then they'd
actually have to pay college athletes what there were. They
want to be able to control and limit athlete movement
and the dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
That they have to pay them.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
The recent House Versus NCAA settlement is a victory for
college athletes, but it doesn't address what really needs to
be addressed. It compensates athletes who played in the last
decade for lost nil money, It allows the schools to
directly pay the players, and schools who opted into the
settlement can share roughly twenty one million with athletes across

(01:56):
all sports, but the bulk of it is expected to
go toward football and basketball. By twenty thirty five, teams
are expected to be able to spend thirty two million
dollars each, but that doesn't address fair market value, nor
does it address whether or not college players should be
considered employees, which is something the NCAA definitely doesn't want when.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
It comes to sports. Everything is fair game with Trump.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
And even though nobody was clamoring for Cleveland and Washington,
who dropped their Native American nicknames in twenty twenty and
twenty twenty two, respectively, to bring that old racism back,
Trump is simply performing the hits for his base. According
to Trump, there are Native Americans who want that old
racism back, he said on true Social are great Indian
people in massive numbers want this to happen. Now we

(02:40):
know the President can sometimes play fast and loose with
the facts, as in he rarely actually has any Now
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that
Trump probably hasn't talked to any Native Americans because they
don't all exactly share that opinion.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
We're still here.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
Find out what it really means. It's an English word.
It's in your English dictionary.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Most of you sure look at go look it up.

Speaker 5 (03:19):
So what this is is that's finally standing up. It's
about having children being raised in a society where they
don't have to hear at football games, elementary, middle school,
high school, and college and pros signs, where you got headdresses,
where you got science has killed the Indians, skin them
alive the terminology of slavery. We're only talking about the name.

(03:42):
We're not talking about the football game. We're not talking
about the players. We're not talking about other people who
do make to living off of this football franchise.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
That's not what we're after.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Perhaps he's never had a conversation with Beth Margaret Wright
from the Native American Rights Fund, who released a video
a few weeks ago explaining why presenting Native Americans as
mascots and caricatures are harmful.

Speaker 6 (04:06):
Native mascots harm Native children, distorted imitations of our culture,
disrespectful slogans and taunting from an opposing team, or just
some of the abuses Native children endure when exposed to
disrespectful Native mascots. The American Psychological Association has found that
their racial stereotyping and inaccurate racial betrayals found in Native

(04:26):
mascots are harmful to the identity, development and self esteem
of Native people. There are, of course, exceptions. A Native
team that uses a Native mascot, for example, is not
depicting a stereotype. It is celebrating a strong culture within
the context of that culture. But a team using a
derogatory racist term indulging in fake depictions of Native people

(04:47):
and inaccurate depictions of Native regalia. That's not honoring, that's
not reflecting our past. That's not preserving Native history. That's
mocking vibrant and dynamic Native people and Native cultures.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
There are some on the right point out that President
Barack Obama also pressured teams, not just Washington, to abandon
the use of Native American mascots, but was it pressure
or support. In an interview with the Associated Press in
twenty thirteen, Obama said, quote, I don't know whether our
attachment to a particular name should override the real, legitimate
concerns that people have about these things. He also said

(05:23):
he felt quote pretty strongly about mascots and team names
that depict negative stereotypes about Native American heritage. What Obama
didn't do was threatened to pull funding from a stadium
project if teams didn't change their names. And when Obama
did say that he was opposed to using these negative
Native American images in sports, guests who jumped off the
top rope with an opinion, President should not be telling

(05:46):
the Washington Redskins to change their name. Our country has
far bigger problems focus on them, not nonsense. That was
Donald Trump in twenty thirteen. There is always a tweet. Now,
is every Native American bother that Native and Americans are
used as mascots?

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Probably not.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
There were definitely some who didn't want to see Washington
or Cleveland change their names. Well, there are probably black
people who don't mind if white people use the N
word around them or call them that, even in a
joking manner. There are probably women who don't mind when
men call them bitches. But the question is why, what
is the upside of romanticizing racism? Why do we even
have Confederate flags in circulation. Why don't we have schools

(06:25):
in streets named after Confederate soldiers? Why do we have
statues erected of Confederate soldiers as well? They were traders
who were fighting for the right to preserve slavery. Why
does Selma, Alabama, even have a bridge named after Edmund Pettis,
who notoriously led the klu Klux Klan and was described
by an Alabama historian this way, His fanaticism is born

(06:47):
of a kind of pro slavery belief that his civilization
cannot be maintained without slavery. He lives in an area
full of people who oppose secession. He is going against
the grain. He is not a reluctant pragmicis brought to
secession to go along with the people. He is a
true believer. That's who we build bridges for in the
United States. So instead of doing everything we can to

(07:10):
rectify and atone for committing genocide against Native Americans, the
President is instead advocating to bring back a racist nickname
that symbolizes a time when people received a reward for
scalping indigenous people, also known as scalp bounties. And yet
some people have the nerve to ask, why can't we
simply get over racism.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
I'm Jamel Hill and I approved this message my guest today.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Epitomizes turning nothing into something, though it wasn't completely nothing.
It started with his never ending passion for football. After
graduating from Morehouse, he drove out to California without a
job and no money and basically talked himself into an
unpaid coaching gig at UCLA. He was homeless for a while,
but his dedication and ambition paid off. Today he stands
as the top quarterback guru in football, having coached Jalen Hurts,

(07:59):
Jordan Love, c J.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Stroud, and Patrick Mahomes. His incredible journey.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Is featured in a Hulu documentary that is available to
stream now, but on this episode, I'm going to dive
even deeper into his amazing story. Coming up next on Politics,
Quincy Avery, So, Quincy, I want to thank you so

(08:24):
much for joining me on this episode of Politics. I'm
going to start our conversation by asking you something I
ask every person that appears on this podcast, and that
is name an athlete or a sports moment that made
you love sports.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
My moment or my athlete is Warren Moon, right, and
it is actually when Warren Moon lost in this game,
Houston Oilers to the Buffalo Bills. I'm in my grandmother's
living room. My father's there. My father had beaten Warn
Moon in college, so that was like he always used
to talk about that. He was a quarterback for the

(09:01):
Gophers and Warren was a quarterback for the Washington Huskies.
But just watching the black guy go through that. After
and then my dad explained all the things he had
to go through to be a quarterback in the NFL,
how he had to go play in Canada CFL all
those things. I'm like, man, this dude did all that
to get to this spot, and he was unlike the
cusp of his goals and dreams and he lost it

(09:23):
right here. But like how he walked up the field
that day, I'm like, that's someone I could look up to.
That's someone, you know, who I want to be like.
And that's really where I fell in love with quarterback
position more than anything else.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, I was just about to ask you that same thing.
It's like, is that kind of where that love and
that interest was stoked. What I find to be interesting
is the fact that despite your nickname unofficially or officially
being known as a quarterback whisper, is that you were
a quarterback and then you wound up playing wide receivers.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
So what happened?

Speaker 4 (09:57):
I just wasn't that good, honestly, you know what I'm saying.
Most can say what every they want, like, I just
wasn't good enough. I was, I was good, but they
were like, yo, it was my sophomore year. They're like,
you can start a receiving right now. And I love football.
This is literally all I've ever done. See my dad
coach playing in high school, My dad coaches all I've

(10:17):
ever been around. I just wanted to play. They're like,
you can play right now. And then I thought I'd
be able to make it to the NFL at receiver
and not quarterbacks. So I'm like, I'm all in. Wasn't
good enough to do that either, But the quarterback has
just always been like so near and dear to everything
that I do.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
You know a lot of athletes like once they can't
make it as a player, some transition into sports, some
transition out of it, and that's the end of it.
But what is it that made you want to stay
connected to the game, even though there's a certain amount
of heartbreak that you know that goes along with it,
the fact that you weren't able to make it personally.
But what made you want to stay involved with football?

Speaker 4 (10:58):
It's funny my coach is in college, like, well, you
have to do football after this because I literally can't
do anything else. I've never worked a job, I've never
got a paycheck, I've never done any of those things.
All that I've ever known and really cared about, the
passionate about was football. So as soon as I got done,
I immediately went like, how am I going to find
a job. How am I going to be able to coach?

(11:20):
And I wanted to coach traditionally. I wanted to be
a coach and a college team college head coach, and
that's really what I had my eyeset on when I
went out there and started coaching at UCLA. So that
was the thing that I wanted to do, and I
just didn't think that I could do anything else. I
knew I couldn't work for somebody. If you know me,
I just can't. I don't have the personality to be

(11:41):
able to go into an office and just do the
things that are required to work at traditional nine to five.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
So yeah, let's go back to that moment, because you're
in your documentary The Quincy Avery Effect, which is available
now Hulu, which is a great documentary. And what I
was expecting going in is that I think I just
expected it to be solely about the football, right, and
then you have this incredible personal journey that you have

(12:09):
gone on and once you graduated from Morehouse and you
decide you want to be a part of the game.
You you just picked up and you went to Los
Angeles on a hope and a prayer. I mean, what
were you thinking.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
It's the best.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
So it's the best way to put it.

Speaker 4 (12:24):
I was on a fools mission, honestly, Like the things
that I did looking back on are crazy, silly, foolish.
But it was a new coach at UCLA. Ric knew
how's been there a year. They weren't very good, and
you see in USC was rolling. I'm like, I want
to live in la I think that I could go
coach at UCLA. So I literally packed up everything in

(12:46):
my college department, put it in the back of my
Mustang and I drove out there and now stop. And
I get there and I thought it'd be like an
easy transition. I get into office and the coach comes in.
It's like, what are you doing? Like I want a job?
Obviously I want a job. What else what I'm here for? Like,
that's not how this works. It goes back to his office,
comes out. I'm still there. Next morning he gets there,

(13:07):
I'm sitting on the couch. He's like, what does this
do doing? Like I'm not giving you no job? Those's
office comes out and he's like, yo, if you hear tomorrow,
we'll talk. And I was able. I was fortunate enough.
My dad knew some people that he knew had coaching
his staff, and he's like, all right, well, I don't
have any money for you, but you can. You can
work for us or volunteer essentially, but your volunteer is

(13:29):
going to be one hundred ten hours a week. And
I was good with that because I just wanted the
opportunity because I knew, you know, like in your heart,
you know you're good at something, like I'm sure you
know how good you are at all the things media writing.
That's how I feel like about coaching about football. I
know that I'm good at this in my heart, like

(13:49):
that's what burns inside of me. So that's that's why
I did it. And I knew when I got an opportunity,
I was going to be successful.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
So working a volunteers in Los Angeles is not exactly
something that people would advise. And you know here in
Los Angeles, you know where I am and you're quite
familiar with, is that it's a lot of people that are.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Kind of on a hustle, in the grind.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
So as you're working those kind of hours for UCLA,
how were you supporting yourself?

Speaker 4 (14:23):
I wasn't really. I lived in the locker room and.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
The college, did they know you were living in the
locker room.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
They didn't know, no, but they didn't They had to
know someone was up because sometimes I would just fall
asleep in the office. I wouldn't even go to the
locker room because I'd be working so like, but I
would sleep at the locker room, sleep in the office.
Coaches would be like, yo, go run and get us lunch.
I would just grab extra containers and make sure I
had something for lunch and for dinner and then the
training table. So this was at a time before colleges

(14:54):
allowed like walk ons and support staffs to eat. So
I was just trying to figure out a way every
single day when things got super rough, I had twenty
eighteen cents for taco bell bean burrito, no onions in
a soft taco. And I remember these things so vividly
because it just happened over and over again, and it
was feeling like you can't take care of yourself. Is

(15:17):
something that really like put you in a bad spot,
like you're on the custom of depression just because you know, like,
how am I gonna how am I gonna live like this?
But you know somethings on the other side, So if
you think about it like, oh, I'm trying to get
all the way here. I don't think you can make it.
It was just I got to do really good today
and I'll figure out tomorrow tomorrow, and I just did

(15:37):
that over and over again.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
So was there a point as you're you're doing what
you love in the sense that you're a part of football.
UCLA certainly a big time program, But was there points
during that when you thought to yourself, what the hell
am I doing?

Speaker 4 (15:56):
Yeah, it was a night I woke up at like
three in the morning basically sleep and I'm like cutting
on the switch in the locker room because I've just
been so exhausted. I didn't know what was going on.
It was like is this my life? And that was
that was the last time I really cried, like a
hearty cry, like damn, what am I doing? Is this?

(16:18):
Is this gonna work? And then I just was like,
I know where I'm trying to go, I know where
I'm trying to get to, and I, Uh, that was
the last time I was really like I don't know
if this is gonna work. And I was able to
push through it and just made it through that day,
and that made it through the next one and then

(16:39):
I came on the other side.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
At what point did you kind of gain the confidence.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
There's one thing to think you can coach football, and
I think specifically you can to coach quarterbacks. But when
did you realize, as you said, like, hey, I'm I'm
actually good at this, I can actually do this.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
At that point in time is way later than most
people would probably think. That point in time was probably
about six years ago, and it was training Tyrod Taylor.
And that might sound crazy because I've trained a lot
of at that point, I've trained a lot of really
good quarterbacks between first round draft picks, first rounders, all
those things. But the thing about Tyrod was Tyron had

(17:21):
trained with every quarterback trainer in the country all the
but he decided to train with me and decided to
keep coming back. And it's easy to say that you're
the best or you're really confident in things that you're doing,
like anybody can say that, but for somebody else to
seek you out, then come get the work that you're
provided and be like he's really good, like I've seen

(17:44):
everybody else, and I want to stick with him. That
was the moment in my heart of hearts that I
knew that I was. I was who I thought I was.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
I've read other comments you've made about you know, what
you do in training quarterbacks, and you refer to training
quarterbacks as a Why would you describe it that way?

Speaker 4 (18:03):
I think that a lot of the things that I
went through in my life are exaggerated versions of things
that people go through. A quarterback position, right, it is
the most adverse position you can be in. And I'm
trying to be a dad and a father and like
grow all these things. And they're trying to raise a team,
like they're trying to bring all these men together in
order to do these things. And I think that we're

(18:25):
so tied together in adversity that I face and trying
to do what I want. Their versit is different. Their
versity looks like throwing an interception or letting their team down,
or they lose a game because of one of their
critical errors, and they got to bounce back the next
day in the same way that that night when I
was flipping that switch up off and on, I had
to bounce back, right. I could have quit right then

(18:47):
in there and found something else to do. But and
knowing that I could go through those things, maybe know
that I can help out these young men because they're
the most important people, whether it's at their high school,
their college, camp, their NFL city, Like I can pour
into these young men and be there for them when
when things don't go exactly how they're supposed to.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
As I mentioned a moment ago, your documentary currently available
to be streamed on Hulu, the Quincy Avery Effect about
not just your personal journey, but obviously the relationships that
you've built with some of the biggest names in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
You know C. J. Stroud and Jordan Love.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
You know, you also coach Patrick Mahomes, But you know,
before getting to this point where you've become this known
tactician with quarterbacks, as it relates to the position itself,
what do you feel like mentally is the trait a
quarterback has to have to be successful.

Speaker 4 (19:48):
Resilience, Like you got to be a resilient dude, because
there's some talented people out there, Like the streets are
littered with folks who can throw the football. But when
you go through that difficult moment and things get really
really tough, and I don't think fans know the effect
that they have on people. And when I say this,

(20:09):
like Twitter damages people in ways that I don't think
anybody can imagine. I see nineteen and twenty year olds
who I think are so talented college quarterbacks, they start
looking at their Twitter mentions it and they just cannot
recover from these moments from the things that people say.
And it's that resiliency to block out the noise, ignore

(20:30):
what people say, and be able to be steadfast and
who you think you are in the way that you
communicate to yourself and being able to ignore all that
because when you start listening to things that people say,
you just become a sum of their thoughts, whether it's
good or bad. And that's not consistent enough for you
to be a quarterback of a team.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
So what made you feel like do you wanted to
do a documentary or participate in documentary about your life
and how you go about doing what you do?

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Like, how did this even come together?

Speaker 4 (21:03):
I didn't really want to do a documentary, which sounds crazy.
About four years ago, Tom Brady's company Religious Sports hit
me up, like, hell, you got a really cool story,
it would love to And I think that they saw
just the training quarterbacks. They didn't see the homelessness they
didn't see, like the story about my father, like all
those different key moments in my life that really shaped

(21:23):
who I was and who I am. And I was like, Okay,
let's do the football part. But two years ago I
was like, I'll be open and honest, and that was
a difficult part, like saying that I'll really dive into
who I am as a person and the things that
I went to, the real adversity, right and like the
homelessness was tough. But the part in the movie that

(21:44):
we probably cut down more than I wish is the
part about my father leaving me in a hotel room.
That was one of the most adverse moments I've ever experienced,
because like someone who really loves you something who cares
about you, you know that they do, but they they
don't have the ability to do the things that are
needed to be there to support you. And that's tough

(22:07):
to know that someone who loves you that much can
hurt you that bad. And being able to just tell
that story that was that's difficult. And those are the
things that I didn't know if I wanted to do,
but I thought they were important because there's other people
out there going through stuff and you who have to
deal with things, and I just want people to know
when life gets hard, like you still have a decision, right,

(22:28):
You can make a choice every day to do what
you said you were going to do and live a
life for your words and your actions remain congruent, you know.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
When it came to opening up, and I also found
the part where you know you're talking about your dad
in the dock and also like his presence of the
doc overall your relationship is now. That was really a
wonderful layer to add to this. But going back to

(22:57):
you know, kind of how you all, you know relationship
has been at the time when he left you in
that hotel room, how aware of you were, How aware
were you that he was struggling, you know, with substance abuse.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
I was really aware because the year before when he
was coaching with Tampa Bay Buccaneers and he missed, he
missed a game. This is a you never see this.
I'm literally laying in bed across the ESPN tickets. My
dad is missing. I'm like, what's going on? And I
asked my mom, and I think my mom had an idea,

(23:33):
but she wasn't with my dad at that point. He
had got remarried, called my step mom. She's like she
explained to her exactly what it was, so I knew
at that point. And then I had a long conversation
with my dad before I went on this trip with
him where we were going to get started on this
quarterback journey, and he told me like, hey, I'm it's
all better now, like I got you. And to see

(23:55):
him lose his job in that way, which was tough
because I knew that's all he wanted to do, Like
he really wanted to be an NFL coach and he
had been a college head coach and all these different things.
But to lose his job in that way and then
to do that to me, that's when I was like,
that was the hardest part of really all of.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
It now, healing from something like that. You know, as
you said, everybody goes through something. I think there it's
safe to say there's a significant number of black men
who have had a father wound in various ways. So
what did the path toward healing your relationship with him

(24:32):
look like?

Speaker 4 (24:33):
Probably, honestly, haven't done enough right. And I think that
there's something that black men are really nervous about doing,
like really doing self work in that way, like really
diving in to why they feel the way that they
feel about things. I'm like scared of therapy, Like I
don't even want to go into all the things that
I really went through in order to like be better.

(24:54):
So in terms of like healing, and I think that
people can see, like my relationship with my dad's better now.
It's not perfect, but it's better. I just had to realize,
like that's just who he is and those are things
that he went through. And I'm gonna make some mistakes.
I hope they're not to that level. But I hope
that my daughter will be able to forgive me when
I do make a mistake, whatever that mistake looks like,

(25:16):
so that we can move forward. And I'm gonna just
try my best to do that.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
So with that being said, do you feel like have
you Do you feel like you've you've forgiven him?

Speaker 4 (25:28):
I'm really bad with forgiving people, so I'll say I try,
but yeah, I try to the best of my ability,
But yeah, I don't know if I can say like
I've completely forgiven him. I don't know if I've forgiven
anybody really ever like that in that hotel that probably
changed me like for life in that way. And until
I do the things that are necessary to really become

(25:49):
a better person or work on myself in that way,
I don't know if I'll be able to do that.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
What scares you about therapy?

Speaker 4 (25:57):
Who is all the trauma? And I think that you
have to go through those things. You really have to
see those things. And I try and work with myself
like I talk about those things in myself, but being
really vulnerable with other people that's hard and them knowing
all the scars and yeah they're not they may not
judge you because they're professional, but still things you got

(26:18):
to go through and really like verbalize in a way
that I'm not sure if I'm ready for right now.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
So when you saw this doc, and particularly when it
comes to addressing your father's relationship, how did how did
your father receive it?

Speaker 4 (26:37):
Me and him had a long talk about it, and
a lot of his friends called him disappointed or upset
or frustrated that I would put that in the dock.
But I think that he knows that like that was well,
he knows better now than he did before that that
was something that truly changed me and was pivotal, and
that was a story that was probably important for me

(26:58):
to tell in order for us to move through it,
because I think that I understand like how his friends
or other people may feel in that way, Like why
does he have to bring that up in a story
about him that that is about me? So it was.
We've had a long lot of talks about it, about
how he felt, and I think that we've that was
the most like in depth talk we've had about that.

(27:19):
And she was at fifteen years twenty or something like that.
It's been a long time.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
So how did your relationship with your dad? How did that?
How does that inform you as a father?

Speaker 4 (27:32):
You learned a lot of things that you really want
to do and things that he did really well, but
then you see the gaps that he had, and you hope, man,
it's not a mistake I'm going to make. So I
got to I got a big book on the things
that he did really well that I want to I
want to make sure I hold on to and I'm
able to do those things with my daughter and a

(27:53):
lot of things that I saw him do in a
way that I would not want to do those things
in order to fix it, And I think kind of
we all do that right. We all have that relationship
with our parents where we can learn really cool things
from but we can also learn what do we wanted differently.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Listen, my mother tells me all the time that her
job is to teach me what to do and what
not to do. So I wholeheartedly agree with you that
it works in both ways. That pendulum swings swings in
both directions, what.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
To do what not to do?

Speaker 2 (28:23):
You know, being given how you were able to get
yours out the mud, so to speak, how does that
you know? You talked about how it informs you as
as a father, but how does that inform you as
a coach?

Speaker 4 (28:40):
I think that it provides a perspective, especially when guys
are going to like position battles or situations where they're
not so happy about the exact position that they're in.
I get to provide a perspective of someone who was
not in a position that they wanted to be in
for over a thousand nights. It's really easy to do
things the right way when things are breaking in It

(29:01):
takes a special level of resolve when for seven months
straight you've got up in the water and reached out
the kids hoping that they would respond in order to
come to a quarterback session with you and no one does,
and then get up in the next one and do
it again. And that's that's the backup quarterbacks life. I
got to go out there and practice as hard as

(29:22):
I can, and then I go out there on Sunday
and I don't get to play. It takes you got
to be a special person and get back up and
do that same thing over and over and over again,
because you don't know when your opportunities are gonna break,
and when that opportunity happens, you were gonna look at
yourself in a way that's crazy if you weren't prepared
for that moment or you didn't do the work in
order to be prepared when you got that opportunity. And

(29:45):
I never want to be like that. And that is
something that I messaged to my guys all of the time, like,
if we don't do the work now when this moment happens,
we are not gonna be ready.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, your experience and how you wound up being at
UCLA was not the first time you just picked it
up up and decided, you know what, I'm gonna go
over here and just start this new thing. The whole
reason why your institute, I guess maybe that's that's what
to put it.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
QB takeover happened was because.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
You just picked up and moved it, Lana and was like, Hey,
I'm gonna go out here, and just you know, what
is it about your personality that keeps doing these things?

Speaker 4 (30:21):
I am? I'm probably I got a rational confidence, honestly,
like I have a big dream and I'm like, I'm
gonna do it, and there's literally nothing that's gonna prevent
me from doing the thing that I said that I'm
gonna do whatever that looks like like I'm gonna figure
it out because I don't know. I think if you
work hard enough and you keep like chipping at a stone,

(30:44):
eventually it looks just how you want it, if you're
committed enough to the task and you really want to
do that. And I saw my mom do something very
similar and how she got hurt. She was a flight
attendant and she had three kids and like this isn't
gonna work, Like how do I make some money? So
she went to an interview and it was only for
people with college educations and she didn't have that. They're like, hey,

(31:06):
if you don't have a college education. Just leave. She
didn't leave, she just stuck around and she figured out
how to get that job. And hearing that story about
your mother, especially at a time in the eighties when
black women in executive roles weren't a thing in her
to do this un uneducated, formerly in the college sense,

(31:26):
I'm like, and she could do that, I could do anything.
And that put a battery in my back.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
So you could have gone the traditional coaching path. So
why didn't you elect to do that?

Speaker 4 (31:38):
Yeah? I was actually about to get promoted before I quit.
So I went from about to make six figures to
staying homeless, which is a wild decision. But I had
a meeting with like an associate ad and I'm like, hey,
we got all these guys on our college team. So
many of them are not going to be NFL players.

(31:58):
I think that it's our responsibilit to get these young
men ready for life, Like let's get them a suit
so when they get done here they're good, Like they
can at least have something to go interview in. We
take care of him. He's like, Hey, I think that's
a great idea, but we're our focus is winning football
games right now, Like we got to do that first,
and I'm like, damn, like you guys care more about

(32:22):
like winning games than preparing a bunch of young men
for life. And that's not something I as a young
black man who went to an HBCU and actually I
had coaches who care about me because we weren't what's
the national championship of Morals College, but they cared about us.
You want to be successful people, and that's not what
the goal was there. It was just winning games. And

(32:42):
that's not who I am, right. I want to help
people win in life. I want to help people out
win times to get difficult, and I was like, I'm
gonna do something different. I'm going to go work with
people who are going to shape society, who can change
the world, who can do all of And it's so
cool see someone like Jalen Hurts, like you get to
see him do that right now, the way that he
invested in his community, invest in people. So I'm just

(33:06):
thankful for I'm thankful for that moment, for him to
say that and for me to realize, like, my mission
is bigger than this.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
So were you all?

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Were you at all reluctant to once again kind of
start from Brock from scratch.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
No, No, not at all. I wouldn't no, because I
saw it's crazy. I think that. I think like a
business person. I saw opportunity, right because when people send
their film, and I watched every single high school kids
table send one in who play quarterback. I saw all
these talented kids from Georgia were bad technique. I'm like,
there's an opportunity here, Like I could figure something out.

(33:45):
I know this, And I watched our head coach who
has a training son. I'm like, if this is what
a college head coach is doing in order to make
his son better, he obviously think this is the best practice.
I know I could do this, and I think I
can do it better. So that moment a light bulb
switch hit and it's like, yo, I'm gonna go to
Atlanta and I'm gonna turn this into something crazy, and

(34:09):
I think that I've done that.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
You obviously go through this in the in the doc
but for the sake of those who are listening now
and without trying to get way too much that's already
in the documentary is so walk me through you landing
your first client with TV OFF.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
I know who it was, Okay, So I haven't messaging
people for over a year, just trying to get a client,
and no one responded. I'm like, this is not working.
I need to figure out what.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Are you saying in the message When you were sending it?

Speaker 4 (34:41):
I would so I had my UCLA polo one all this,
so I looked like I was trying to look like
a college coach. But hey, just want to Hey want
to reach out just like Ucla. I'm now training quarterbacks
privately in the Atlanta area. I would love to give
you an opportunity come train for free. I wasn't asking
for you much. I just want an opportunity. I did
that for a year straight and I've got I mean

(35:04):
I remember every single day Facebook will block me. Hey,
you've sent enough messages for it, like you got you?
So I did that. It wasn't working. So I'm like,
all right, I gotta figure out something new. So I
go to this facility. It's the middle of January. I'm like, hey,
I need this to throw this quarterback camp. He's like,
you can't pay to rent it out. I'm like, no,
I can't, but I need it. He's like, all right,

(35:26):
I'll let you do it. At five thirty in the morning.
So I come up with these flyers. Fancy event. I
send messages to all the quarterbacks, send flyers to their
or send this like pamphlet to their head coach, and
no one responds. But that Monday, Josh Dobbs hits me
up and he's an underrecruited kid not really getting they

(35:49):
looks just trying to like hoping to get a scholarship.
We go out there for a session and we worked
for like two hours and it went well. I thought
it went really well, and he was like all right.
His mom was like, we'll talk to you. I just
need to see how it went and we'll figure something out.
They get home, they called me. His mom's like, all right,
we want to work out every day. And we did

(36:10):
that five days a week for a basically a year.
He ends up getting a scholarship college scholarship to Boston
College and Tennessee. Then goes to Lead eleven. And that
moment him going to the Lead eleven literally changed my life.
Like that was the moment, and it was I'm sure

(36:30):
it's a big moment fan, but it was equally as
big for me. It literally gave me a platform to
do all the things that I'm doing today and.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
It lead eleven of course being kind of the pre
eminent quarterback.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
Yeah, for prospects.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
So I mean, what did it feel like for you
to see him, to see the work that you put in,
the work you guys did together, and then see the
progression then for him to go on to the NFL?

Speaker 1 (36:58):
What does that mean to you?

Speaker 4 (37:02):
I wish I could actually put into words like how
proud you could be of somebody, because Josh Dobbs is
a really good football player, but he's not where he
is today just off natural talent. He's where he is
today because he was dedicated about working very very hard
and doing everything it took to be successful. And we
went on that journey together. And I'm literally flying in

(37:24):
from Josh Dobbs' house last night, like I flew in
the Florida from his house, and it's because we spent
all those hours together and we've built this relationship and
seeing him do everything that he dreamed of and him
just saying thing like you, I wouldn't have been able
to do without you. Those things I would really like
those are the moments that you get really excited about.

(37:46):
Because his family's doing well for themselves but he's still
been able to change his life. His life looks nothing
like it would have looked if we want to spend
all those hours on a little middle school football field
trying to do all the things that we did for
him to get where he's at today. So as much
as like I hope that I changed his life, he

(38:07):
changed my mind. And it's seeing him live out his
dream is literally what I live for.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
And Joshua, but I'm mistaken. It needs an actual like
kind of like a rocket scientist.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
Aerope, all that was literally intellect like, he flies his
own planes. He's he's a special human being.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
Listen, he was gonna be successful no matter what it
seemed like.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
He's gonna figure it out.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
He was definitely gonna figure out. Okay, well, there's some
other guys that are under your umbrella. You coached the
guys that I want to ask you about. But before
we get to that and asking you about your foundation,
just going to take a quick break and we will
be back with more with Quincy Avery.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
We were talking about josh Das before the break.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
You have coached hundreds and hundreds of guys, and I
think people have this assumption that when it comes to
professional athletes that it's easy to get in their sphere
of influence. It is not easy, not from what I
have been able to witness in my multi decade career
as a sports journalist. So how is it that, Well,
what do you think has been the key for you

(39:25):
being able to gain their trust?

Speaker 4 (39:29):
Fortunately, I get to I meet so many of these
guys when they're young, ninth tenth grade, and I've helped
them go through the really difficult moments. But the thing,
more than anything is that they know that I care
about them as people. And if you really care about somebody,
I think it's so much easier to coach them and
for them to trust you. And it's like those just

(39:51):
different points of contact. I'm always reaching out to guys
me in my hotel room right now, I've reached out
to fifty eys just checking on them, make sure they're
doing well. And it's not just because it's work, It's
because I want to see them be successful. And it's
as many guys as we see who play professional football
right now who I care about. There's guys who are
now coaching football or in scouting departments. Who's to train

(40:13):
for me? And we still have that same relationship, so
they know that it's authentic, and that is what has
allowed me to go so far because those conversations that
we have, those those keep carrying all like they're gonna
let me know. Like, man, when I went through this
que kind of you know what I'm saying, he helped
talk me through it, or he was there for me
and even talk about just a little bit about like Deshaun,

(40:37):
like when he was going through what he was going through,
what happened whatever, that was the first person in his
house was me. When Deshaun towards ACL in Houston, the
first person at the hospital was me when he towards Achilles.
I'm at the facility that day because I wanted to
check on him because knew he didn't look right. Like
There's all these different moments where I'm just there for

(40:57):
my guys no matter what's going on. I'm going to
be there because I care about out there as people
who they are. And that's what I think separates me
and has allowed me to go in so many different
rooms and be accepted. I'm authentic and I care.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
But you know, I mean, because you work with guys
at every level, I'm sure you're aware of the conversations
because you work with them young, right, So there are
a lot of people who look at the type of
industry that you're in, and there's been a lot of
conversation about where they or not young people if they're
specializing too early, like why are they paying these coaches

(41:34):
specialized coaches you know, like yourself to frame them, and
people wondering about whether or not that really adds any benefit.
Like what do you say to some people who sort
of criticize this movement of young people in listening specialized
training in order to get better at at sports.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
Yeah, well I would agree with them that kids, young
men shouldn't just play one sports. So I would be
all on board with that and not make sure. I
try to best to make sure guys aren't doing that.
But they're gonna do what they want because they have
their own ideas. But if someone would were to say
that about why are you working with this Quincy guy,
I would just point at the track record and it's
not I'm not getting guys just at the end of

(42:15):
the tale, like when they already have made it. I mean,
these guys eighth, ninth, seventh grade, when they're just trying
to figure it out. I've helped kids, like We've had
over five hundred million dollars scholarships that I've helped kids earn.
So I'll be like, the proof is in the pudding.
I'm not. I don't know. The things that I teach
are not opinion based. They're science based, and I think

(42:37):
that has allowed me to be the best in the
world of what I do. When I go to an
NFL facility, they want me to present to them about
how I'm training because I'm really good at my job.
And if you want to question that, I would be
willing to sit down with you and go over every
single thing I do and listen to any argument. And
I think that I'm able to do that because I
truly know this at the highest level and it's and

(43:00):
I think that people oftentimes see me as just a
black man who does this because he thinks he's cool
or it's cool with the kids, or dresses like or whatever.
But when we start talking about the science or the data,
I'm ready to go toe for toe to toe with
anybody because I do the work.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Nevertheless, as you notice, I'm sure in the NFL that
now you know, the gold post is always moving when
it comes to black coaches and their success. At first
it was okay, you got to be a coordinator and
in order to be promoted to the position of head coach.
Then because of the way the league is, there's a
lot of emphasis on offense, a lot of emphasis on
who can work with quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
You look around the NFL and a lot of the
QB coaches are not black. From your perspective, like, what are.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Still some of the barriers of entrigue that remained for
black coaches when it comes to offense, because it's not
just QB coach but offensive coordinator. But like, why do
we rarely hear about guys like you who are the
QB whisper or the QB genius because I know the
other dudes like the Tom Houses and that. Why does
it seem like there's a barrier of entrigue for black

(44:10):
folks when it comes to doing what you do?

Speaker 4 (44:14):
Because so many the people get to talk about the
position of the things that we do our white folks,
and they're gonna same way that a quarterback room is collected,
like the people who they have shared experiences, who they
feel comfortable talking to, who they can chum it up
with those folks are white, right, all the people I
like those major talk shows every day they talk about
this white quarterback trainer every single day. So that's who

(44:36):
people like put on a pedestal. It's not because of
the things that they're doing. I train more quarterbacks NFL
quarterbacks of anybody in the world, and I get called
less by these shows than anybody else. And so it's
not about the work that you're doing. It's about who
people relate to. And I would rather relate to people
who look like you and I. You know what I'm saying, Like,

(44:57):
that's who I relate to. But we don't often times
get the ability to have a talk show that's every
single day, right, So that's why I think that we
don't get enough of the credit. And there's only six
or seven black quarterback coaches in the NFL, and that's
a different kind of coaching than what I do. But oftentimes,
like you know, just go coach receivers, or just go

(45:19):
do this, or go coach running backs, go do something
simple because we weren't given the opportunities. A lot of
the guys who see now coaching are guys who weren't
given the opportunities of like quarterback early on, and I'm
looking forward to that changing, right because there's a lot
of young black quarterbacks in the NFL. Now we're going
to get these opportunities because people are going to know
they know what they're talking about.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
So at this point, giving your success rate, I mean,
has I imagine people have reached out about you you coaching, right,
like coaching for a team or that kind of thing.
So you know, have you come close to maybe going
the quote traditional path.

Speaker 4 (45:58):
Yeah, I almost took a college job a couple of
years ago, quarterback job, but I'm like, no, I don't
want to do that. I want so if I do coach,
it will be in the NFL. And I've worked with
NFL teams and like consulting roles, not necessarily as a
quarterback coach, but it's a big sacrifice. The amount of
time that you're putting in is extensive, and I would

(46:18):
It's something I'm thinking about. I've had a lot of
talks with a lot of folks. Tony Dungee is someone
who really supports me, especially after the things that he
saw before. But he supports me in a real way
and he's like, you need to need to coach like
I want you to do that because he feels like
I'll be really good. I know that I would. It's
just making sure that the moment is right when I

(46:40):
do decide to do it.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Now again, you have an extensive resume of guys, and
one of your players was Jalen Hurts, who is coming
off a fantastic season, won a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
What do you think you helped Jalen Hurts unlock?

Speaker 4 (47:01):
It's kind of like nerdy technical stuff, But so when
he was at Oklahoma and Alabama, I'm been trying to
like he was a very linear thrower, which meant it
was like towards the target really up and down does
not allow you a whole lot of air, right, So
I just helped him become more of a rotational quarterback,
start putting for the ground and being able to throw around,

(47:23):
which provides you a lot more degrees of air, which
he's gonna make you more successful. It's not about your
best of the best. That was always gonna be really good,
but his misses are smaller, and I think that's what
was a thing that helped out the most. And I
think that you get to see some of the fruits
of a lot of the work that was put in
years ago.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Today when you look at and not just him, but
like say somebody like c. J. Stroud, who took everybody
by surprise because of the type of rookie year that
he had. I think, you know, it's fair to say,
maybe not him personally, but it was a little bit
of of a step back because I think the team
of it itself took a step back. So when guys

(48:03):
go through when there's a regression, be it as a
player or a team, how do you approach that?

Speaker 4 (48:11):
Just look at the film. Let's go through all the
things that you did really well the year before, and
you're going to go look at all the things that
we found ourselves struggling with, and we're going to see
what's the difference what caused this? And like you said,
it wasn't just him, It was a lot of team
things and situationally that he found himself in there. We're
just more difficult than the year before, whether it's people

(48:31):
being injured or struggles with the personnel, so things like that.
But then we also got to look at ourselves. All right,
those things went on, but how do I do a
better job? How am I more prepared when those things
do happen, because we don't get to control if everybody
stays healthy or if our starting wide receivers it. What
we get to control is what we can control. So

(48:51):
how do we make ourselves the best versions of that
each and every week despite all the chaos that we
have to go through.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Even that you know you're you're also working with like
high school, you know, college athletes again every level. We've
seen the impact that in il and the fact that
these guys are making a lot of money that that's
had on the game.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
There have been.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Coaches who have observed that they feel as if players
these days are more entitled and that harder to coach.
What has been What have you observed from where you sit?

Speaker 4 (49:26):
I mean it definitely, I mean having that amount of
money definitely changes it. But for me, it's stayed consistent.
The guys want to work and get better. And it
causing a question as these college coaches, were you coaching
based on fear? Was it just fear that we're going
to take away and that's the only tool that you had.
Did you really build a relationship with these young men

(49:46):
in order to help them achieve their goals? Or develop
because guys come to me ready to work, so I
know what they're doing that with me. Then you have
the opportunity with your team in order to challenge them
in a way that's going to allow them who work
just as hard. But you got to figure out what
they're they're motivated factor is. Now it's not just hey,

(50:07):
I can bench you. Oh yeah, I got a bunch
of I got more money than you. What are you
gonna tell me? So they need to figure out how
do we I think it starts with care, Like how
do I care about these people? So they know that
I care about them so I can challenge you. You
can't yell at somebody if you haven't loved them up first.
It doesn't work. No one wants to hear that. It
only works because they know that you put in the

(50:27):
time to care about them and you want to see
them be successful and you're hard on them in order
to make them get to the place that they said
they want to go.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
So when you decide to work with the quarterback, what's
important to you?

Speaker 4 (50:40):
Yeah, I've seen there's been some guys who I talk
about specifically I just don't want to work with. But
it's it's really personality styles. And I think that all
the guys who get the highest level work really hard.
But do we mesh Are you something that I want
to care about? It's the biggest thing for me. Do
I care how you're feeling? And if I feel like

(51:00):
it's just football, it's just transactional in that way. It
doesn't work like I got enough money, Like I'm not
in a position where I'm trying to go do things
for a couple of dollars. I want to be able
to work with people who I can help grow to
get the things that they desire and we can do
that together.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Well, it seems like overall that the helping spirit is
something that you were gifted with. You also have your
own foundation, So what can you tell me about that?

Speaker 4 (51:26):
Yeah, I got the Avery Effect foundation. We see so
many people who are able to afford training services, all
these different things because they come from affluent families. And
I'm really trying to level the playing field no matter
where you are financially, being able to help you earn
these same scholarships that the other kids are able to obtain.

(51:48):
And you see it a lot in basketball now, how
many former players sons are able to get to. It's
just because they have access to things that other kids
don't have access to. I would want it to be
a meritocracy where just the kids who are the best
are able to get the furthest and I'm doing everything
i can to bridge the gap and help guys get scholarships.

(52:11):
So the Avery effect foundations where we do that, where
people can donate and we can make sure that we're
reaching back and making sure we're helping these young men
get the training and services they need so that they
can get scholarships and they can support their family and
give back to their communities in the same way that
so many of our guys do today.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
So how do you handle the sometimes outsize expectations that
parents can have about their kids athletic ability.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
I'm honest, Okay, I'm very honest, and I'm not gonna
make a kid who can't start on their middle school
team a college quarterback. That's not I feel like I'll
tell people all the time, like, this is the level
I think that your son can get to, and I'm
gonna do everything I can help them get there. I
had one my favorite story actually is a kid who

(52:59):
I told is like he's not good enough, your son
cannot play football at high school level, told experience that
they must have had a talk with him. Two weeks later,
he comes back and now he's a starting college quarterback.
And we still he just came to work out last week.
And I think a lot of other people with sugarcoat
things and me not having that conversation probably would have

(53:21):
prevented him from reaching where he is today and earning
this college scholarship. But being honest with folks gives them
opportunities to make choices. I just want to go all
the way in and really figure this thing out, or
am I gonna take what this person said? And I
think that I'm gonna be honest and continue to do
that for forever, to limit those conversations from parents who

(53:43):
are like, no, you need to make you need to
make Johnny starters. Johnny's not a start because the DNA
you gave him, buddy.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
All right, Quincy. I wrap every podcast with what I
call a messy question. This is where you get you
at some headlines. Maybe you in some trouble.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Who knows.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Since you're a quarterback extraordinary in a quarterback guru whisper,
you know this as well.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
As I do.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Super Bowl forty six, that Giants Patriots, Eli Manning probably
made the throw of his life tomorrow Hill Manning him
one of the best throws I've certainly ever seen.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
I know you grew up idolizing Warren Moon.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
You have also coached Patrick Mahomes, who I know you
coached before the twenty seventeen draft.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
I think it was your.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Life savings is on the line. What are you trusting
to make that throw? Is it Warren Moon or Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 4 (54:38):
I gotta go Warren Moon. That's the only ever Black
Hall of Fame quarterback there's honestly non I think throws
a football better than Warren Moon. And Patrick Mahomes a
great player. But if we're just asking for that throw,
give me war So.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
You're starting here first.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Everybody he thinks it's better than Patrick Bull Here she got.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
You know.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
This is a true story.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Is when I was at ESPN, we had to do
our top five, like best quarterbacks like that.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
Our personal war.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
Moon was on my list because I think when it
came to throwing the football, I mean, I just truly
cannot think of somebody who was better than him.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
And it was a producer who.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Was white who pulled me to the side and was like,
you know, this is uncomfortable to say, but are you
sure you're not just saying that because he's black? I
was like, have you seen warm You want to talk
about somebody who got going off?

Speaker 3 (55:32):
Ohone?

Speaker 1 (55:33):
It's like, have you seen war Moon throws?

Speaker 4 (55:35):
You should the task? Right? The task?

Speaker 2 (55:38):
We had a we had a strong conversation and I
was like, don't it telp me by telling me that
that I only put on my list because he's black.
I was like, I put war Mood on the list
because he's warm Moon, all right, right right.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
I have to give him that too, Like so what
what what you're gonna do?

Speaker 4 (55:55):
Though?

Speaker 2 (55:56):
But no, I have a as a football player. You know,
Warren Moon is right up there. That leads me to
you know, and I'm gonna ended for real on this.
Who do you think is.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
The best quarterback in NFL history?

Speaker 4 (56:08):
I mean, I gotta go, Tom Brady's probably the best
in the NFL history. Man Patrick Mahomes is making a
very strong case rapidly because he's amazing.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Do you think Patrick needs to get more rings than
Brady to be the best?

Speaker 5 (56:22):
No?

Speaker 4 (56:22):
Rings are such a team accomplishment. If he just keeps
doing what he does, I think that will allow him
to But how long is against they with any Reid.
I'm actually interested to see what happens when he's in
a different office, because at one point is going to happen.
I don't know how old any Read is, but he's
not now.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
I mean at some point you should like he will
retire and then interesting.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Okay, I see you with the with the subtle hot takes.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Well, Quincy, thank you so much for joining me here
on politics and for everybody again. Your documentary, Quincy Avery
Effect is streaming on Hulu and it's a wonderful documentary.
A lot of yes, it's you know, a lot of
good football in it. But I think your personal journey
is like super inspiring to a lot of people. So
best of luck with everything that you do. And I

(57:11):
would not be surprised to see you in a coaching
capacity for a team one of these days.

Speaker 4 (57:18):
Well. I appreciate you, Thank you, I take care.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
One more segment to go coming up next, the Final Spin.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Time Now for the final Spin.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
The headline Kelsey Plum shades Caitlin Clark doing the WNBA
All Star postgame press conference after she was asked about
the players wearing the pay us what You Owe us
T shirts.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
That caused quite a stirp.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Oh, that was a very powerful moment. We didn't, at
least as players, we didn't know that that was going
to happen, So I think it was kind of like
a genuine surprise. But the T shirt just united front
was determined this morning that we had a meeting for
and you know, not to not to tattle tale, but

(58:13):
zero members of Team Clark were very present for that.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
But no, we were just uh, we had a very
uh I really needed to be mentioned.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
I'm trying to make a situation like, okay, the spin
this is just another example of the persistent jealousy Caitlin
Clark faces in the WNBA. The truth people really have
lost their rabbit ass mines. I mean, all it took
is a couple of blogs to characterize that benign interaction
as an example of Caitlin Clark being shaded, and next thing,

(58:44):
you know, across social media and even in mainstream media,
we are once again back to this dumb, uninformed, lazy
narrative that w NBA players hate Caitlin Clark. First, Kelsey
Plum said Team Clark, as in Katelin Clark's entire team.
The All Star teams were named after their captains, the
Fisa Collier and Kaitlyn Clark because they were the top

(59:05):
two leading boat getters. Kelsey was joking about the fact
that members of Team Clark, of which Sabrito Yuenescu, who
is seated right next to her, is a member of
her team. We're hanging out and partying the night before.
That's why Team Clark missed the morning media. You hear
that other sound when Kelsey was talking. It's called laughter,

(59:27):
which is what her and Sabrita were doing when she
said it was a freaking joke. If there is any
bubbling animosity toward Kaitlyn Clark, the media is to blame
because they simply cannot resist any opportunity to turn Caitlyn
Clark into a damsel in distress. It's weird and it's
giving Stage five clinger. This concludes another episode of Politics.

(59:51):
You can reach me across social media or email. I'm
at Jamail Hill across all social media platforms Twitter, Instagram,
fan based, Blueskot, and three.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Please use the hashtags politics.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
You also have the option of emailing me as Politics
twenty twenty four at gmail dot com. You can also
video me a question, but please make sure it's thirty
seconds or less. Don't forget to follow and subscribe to
Politics on iHeart and follows Politics Pod on Instagram and TikTok.
Politics is spelled s p O L I ti CS.

(01:00:23):
A new episode of Spolitics drops every Thursday on iHeart
podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. This is politics,
where sports and politics don't just mix, they matter. Politics
is the production of iHeart Podcasts and the Unbothered Network.
I'm your host Jamail Hill. Executive producer is Taylor Chakoigne.

(01:00:47):
Lucas Heimen is head of audio and executive producer. Original
music for Spolitics provided by Kyle VISs from wiz fx