August 12, 2022 • 17 mins
Everyone sees the broken bones, torn ligaments and bloodied bodies of injured athletes, but many of their deepest scars are mental. A small group of athletes are pioneering the treatment of their mental health issues with psychedelic drugs, but as Julie Kliegman reports it's going to be a while before the sporting community rejects the taboo stigma and embraces psychedelic medicine.
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Before we get started, please rate and review our show.
It helps people find us. On this episode of Sports
Illustrated Weekly, what do you know about psychedelics? Most likely
what you've heard about drugs like LSD, magic, mushrooms or
ketamine come from movies or anti drug campaigns. But what
(00:20):
if we told you that psychedelics might service therapeutics for
mental health issues? And a report from SI copy chief
Julie Kleigman, we hear from current and former athletes like
Aaron Rodgers, Kenny Stills, and Daniel Carcilo about the potential
medical benefits and the attendant controversy and using drugs like ayahuasca, ketamine,
(00:41):
d m T, and psilocybin in an attempt at improving
mental health. I'm your host, John Gonzalez from Sports Illustrated
and I Heart Radio. This is Sports Illustrated Weekly. The
(01:04):
Dark's minds are closed and it's like the outline of
this temple and it looked like an outline of a
human with like this, Uh it's gonna sound crazy, but
with like this wolf skin like sheep head on it.
And it was just like ascending to the top of
this pyramids. I'm seeing this and I'm like what, like,
(01:28):
I have no I don't understand what's going on. And
then the music changes, so it's almost like immediately my
brain went to the next picture. It felt like some
type of Buddhist temple. And I had this like bird's
eye view of this Buddhist temple that was like all concrete,
just like with fire coming out, and there's all this
(01:50):
like greenery all around. It was like I was in
a jungle. And then the music changed again and I
was inside of a temple and it was just pitch
black dark and I wasn't afraid, but I was by myself.
There was no light, and at that point in time,
(02:12):
I I didn't know if I was still like in
the room, because the academy can be so strong that
it will make you feel like I am I even
still here? You know? Am I on another planet and
I another dimension? Like where am I? So I asked
the therapist like, hey, are you here? And you know,
(02:34):
she came over to me and she held my hand,
and when she held my hand, I knew that I
was like still in the room. For her to come
and hold my hand and give me that piece allowed
me to go deeper into the experience and things started
to wear off, so I took the headphones off and
we started to have a conversation about what I was seeing.
(02:56):
The Vision's former NFL player Kenny Stills, was seeing thanks
to ketamine, a psychedelic drug. Ketamine is completely legal in
the United States, and they're fortunate to be a problem
in the league either. But when media outlets reports stories
like this, they can get lost in the strange and
fantastic things athletes like Kenny we're seeing that isn't as
(03:16):
important as what he was seeking. I was diagnosed with
like a small case of depression into as in the
sixteen and I like to referred to that time as
like being underneath a cloud. You know, it's just like
a dominant cloud because the one depression is just I
guess it's kind of scary, but I think when I
(03:37):
think about that time, I felt like it was just very,
very dark and cloud. Elite athlete mental healthcare overall is
having a moment of greater recognition and support, especially in
light of disclosures from current athletes on the biggest stages
like Naomi Osaka and Simone Biles. It is hard to
talk about mental health because people can't see it they
(03:59):
can't crasp it. For them, it's not an injury, but
it almost is, and it has a worse effect on you.
We're on a daily basis. Seeking therapy for mental health
problems is a widely accepted treatment, but there's still stigma
around taking medication of any kind for mental illness. Traditional
(04:22):
antidepressants often have side effects like mental fog and lethargy,
which don't appeal to athletes. That's why Ronan Levy, co
founder and chairman of Field Trip, a company that provides
psychedelic assisted psychotherapy, I think psychedelics maybe more appealing. I
had this image of the archetype of like a twenty
(04:43):
year old brow from Pittsburgh, as a person who would
probably rather be dead than ever caught in a therapist office.
But then I asked myself, critic convinced that person to
try mushrooms once? And the answer I came back to
is probably yes. And if you get some and to
have that kind of spiritual opening experience just once, then
(05:04):
you open the door for much more meaningful conversations around
mental and emotional health and world being. But psychedelics carry
their own baggage to thanks to a multitude of anti
drug campaigns from seventies p s as to the DARE
program from the nineteen nineties. This is your brain on drugs,
(05:25):
any questions. Daniel Poneman, an NBA agent from Beyond Athlete Management,
knows what places psychedelics hold in the cultural imagination. Some
people still look at it as like something that crazy
hippies do, or you know something you pre parents of
what stock and don't recognize these is legitimate life saving
medicines and tell someone over and over points and statistics
(05:49):
and the clinical studies show how many lives these can save.
But people can still widely stigmatized. So I think, yeah,
there are athletes that I know who have had life
changing experiences with these medicines, but only a few of
them are brave enough to speak out if they're being stigmatized.
When I started researching for this story, that stigma made
(06:11):
it difficult to find any players or former players willing
to talk about their psychedelic use. Then on August three,
Aaron Rodgers went on a podcast and spoke about using ayahuasca,
a psychoactive tea containing the hallucinogenic drug d MT. To me,
one of the core tenets of your mental health is
that self love and that's what Iwaska did for me.
(06:36):
It was help me see how I'm gonna say love
myself and what better way to work on my mental
health and too, to have an experience like that back
to back NFL m v P. Aaron Rodgers was a
strong endorsement for psychedelics, no doubt, but in the wake
of his confession, the media reacted in a way that
(06:58):
showcases exactly why players find psychedelic use so hard to
talk about. D MT is classified as a Schedule one drug,
the same as heroin in ecstasy. Trust me on this,
Roger Goodell is not going to be good with the
way that you went about finding your true self. So
Aaron drank a psychedelic tea that made him hallucinate and yak,
(07:21):
and he said it took him to a different realm. Often,
mental health problems that would compel an athlete to seek
the kind of treatment that psychedelics may provide are shrugged
off by those looking in from the outside, a Simone
Bile said earlier in the show. When people can't see
the trauma, it's harder for them to grasp. But even
(07:41):
if fans watch their favorite players get smashed up, nightly.
They might not understand what kind of trauma they're trying
to escape with psychedelics. We started hitting at four years old,
so I started essentially changing my brain chemistry in for
the worst. That's former NHL enforcer Daniel Carsilo, a man
(08:05):
whose job it was to hit and be hit. Meanwhile,
Carsilo is growing some rights on his own. Garrett Little
Balmar Challenge of March. I got my seventh concussion and
these symptoms were just exasperated. I wanted nothing to do
with my kid. I was isolating. I didn't want to
(08:27):
go to the ring. We want to Stanley Cup. That year,
I didn't go to Banner Raising. I retired pretty abruptly.
I wanted nothing to do with any of the people
in hockey, to be honest. CTE, or chronic traumatic encephalopathy,
is a progressive brain condition linked to repeated blows to
the head and concussions. Ct E may cause mental health
(08:47):
and behavioral issues, including depression, anxiety, impulsivity, and aggression. Daniel
Carsilo had the kind of blows the head that leads
to CTE and had early symptoms of the side effects,
so he started looking for solutions. Just PhD biochemists and
(09:11):
my former teammate met me at this farm and and
surprised me with a large dose of pilocybin. It was
the most difficult two and a half hours of my life.
But what it did was it woke up my brain,
and it woke up my serotonin system and my nervous
system and my brain hemispheres that were definitely shut down
through emotional and physical trauma. And then I went home
(09:36):
with a micro dost regiment because I knew that it's like,
can't just be high doats, because I've had so much
sustained trauma that I need to continue to introduce this
on a perception level. Psilocybin or what we'd called magic mushrooms,
worked so well for Carsilo that he started we sawn
A Health. His focus is now on developing a holistic
(09:59):
wellness program for people with traumatic brain injuries that will
include psilocybin treatment. But the success of his business, which
is attached to names like Mike Tyson and Julianna Painia,
might Hinge on garnering FDA approval for clinical trials of
psilocybin in the US out of the classic psychedelics like
(10:19):
LSD or acid psilocybin or magic mushrooms, mescaline in pyote,
d m T in ayahuasca, and ketamine. Only ketamine is legal.
This means that studies showing their efficacy and dealing with
everything from depression to CTE are slow coming, and the
(10:41):
science community is divided. It is kind of it's interesting
back in source that I see in psychedelic research of
kind of one group describing these is kind of going
to change the world and change psychotry forever in one
group that's psychic that work and it's all a scam.
(11:04):
That's Courtney Campbell Walton, the Mackenzie post Doctoral Research Fellow
at the University of Melbourne. He co wrote the article
Advancing Elite Athlete Mental Health Treatment with Psychedelic Assisted Psychotherapy.
As far as I away, that's the first taper that's
ever um discussed psychedelic work in athletes populations. My interest
(11:26):
at the moment are very much like, how could this work,
how's this going to look in the future, and also
kind of preparing for the facts that it it likely
will happen. Those are the big questions right now. One
does it work anecdotally? Kenny Stills, Daniel Carcilo and others
say yes, but what does the science say. These trials
(11:49):
are so controlled, there is so much planning, there's so
much regulation, there's so much exclusion of you know, anyone,
that they might be some issues. But it's a very
different setting to to someone who's read an article online
about how someone was in a trial and took psychedelics
(12:10):
and they've their depressions cured, and so then they want
to go and do it themselves. You don't want to
shut these things down because they're exciting and promising and
it looks like they could be something there. But at
the same time, I'm very cautious about being like, yeah,
they're amazing if everyone should go and give it a go.
So the jury is out, but results are promising, which
(12:32):
brings up the second question, how would psychedelics even work
in sports? In my opinion, we're a long way, if
from athletes being able to do this outside of trials,
and then in sport, there's a whole bunch of other
things we need to think about. Do athletes using these
substances have negative side effects on their performance? That's obviously
(12:54):
going to be a really key factor in terms of
whether athletes want to engage in these things, whether teams, clubs,
organizations are supportive of ethletes using these substances, and on
the other hand, is you know, if there are positive
side effects outside of mental health. Obviously one improve mental health,
but if these things have, for whatever reason, positive effects
(13:18):
on more kind of physical attributes, then that's kind of
a whole another kettle of fish that that kind of
needs to be explored. So we need to do a
whole bunch of trials to really understand one of the
kind of other effects on top of mental health that
are relevant to sport. I reached out to major men's
(13:41):
and women's pro sports leagues, as well as the International
Olympic Committee to determine whether psychedelic use is allowed. The
World Anti Doping Agency, which governs Olympics policy, fans m
d m A from use during competition, but doesn't mention
other psychedelics. The NBA and w n B a to
prohibit ketamine LSD and m d m A in their
(14:04):
Drugs of Abuse category. MLB prohibits those and also ayahuasca, psilocybin,
and mescaline. None of the other leagues contacted responded with
policy information, so right now it's not looking good. For
psychedelics and sports. Kenny Stills doesn't think the NFL would
be receptive to the idea either. The league has probably
(14:28):
done a good job of keeping those conversations too far
up in out of the headlines. But um, I mean,
obviously don't just takema around psychedelics and being more like
a hippie drug and people really just not understanding the
benefits of the different plant medicines that are out there
(14:48):
and think of how they can out. Generally, leagues are
conservative and reactionary, like cannabis before it. Professional sports won't
green light psychedelics until a sentiment of the people is
overwhelmingly for it. Psychedelics will have to shake off that
taboo stigma. I've started to see more people now talk
(15:09):
about to you see the Netflix documentaries that have come
out for the past couple of years. But yeah, there's
just the stigma around psychedelics and just people I think
honestly are afraid to be transparent about their experiences with them.
The only way that you move the needles through celebrities
(15:32):
or athletes, the only way you be stigmatize is when
they start doing it. The rest of everybody else starts
doing it, right, I think for the athlete community who
may feel that same kind of resistance to conventional talk
therapy and cognitive the annual therapy, then there's certainly a glow,
a real psychedelics that they can seem cool, and I
think that's going to help people take a step into
(15:55):
exploring this, whereas other paths they may have been off limits.
Thanks for listening, and a reminder to please rate and
review the show. It helps people find us. Sports Illustrated
(16:17):
Weekly is a production of Sports Illustrated and I Heart Radio.
For more podcasts from I Heart Radio, visit the I
Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your
favorite shows. And for more Sports Illustrated's best stories and podcasts,
visit SI dot com. This episode of Sports Illustrated Weekly
was produced by Jordan Rizzieri, Jessica your Moski, and Isaac Lee,
(16:39):
who is also our sound engineer. Our senior producers are
Dan Bloom and Harry sward Out. Our executive producers are
Scott Brody and me John Gonzalez, and our theme song
is by Nolan Schneider.
Before we get started, please rate and review our show.
It helps people find us. On this episode of Sports
Illustrated Weekly, what do you know about psychedelics? Most likely
what you've heard about drugs like LSD, magic, mushrooms or
ketamine come from movies or anti drug campaigns. But what
(00:20):
if we told you that psychedelics might service therapeutics for
mental health issues? And a report from SI copy chief
Julie Kleigman, we hear from current and former athletes like
Aaron Rodgers, Kenny Stills, and Daniel Carcilo about the potential
medical benefits and the attendant controversy and using drugs like ayahuasca, ketamine,
(00:41):
d m T, and psilocybin in an attempt at improving
mental health. I'm your host, John Gonzalez from Sports Illustrated
and I Heart Radio. This is Sports Illustrated Weekly. The
(01:04):
Dark's minds are closed and it's like the outline of
this temple and it looked like an outline of a
human with like this, Uh it's gonna sound crazy, but
with like this wolf skin like sheep head on it.
And it was just like ascending to the top of
this pyramids. I'm seeing this and I'm like what, like,
(01:28):
I have no I don't understand what's going on. And
then the music changes, so it's almost like immediately my
brain went to the next picture. It felt like some
type of Buddhist temple. And I had this like bird's
eye view of this Buddhist temple that was like all concrete,
just like with fire coming out, and there's all this
(01:50):
like greenery all around. It was like I was in
a jungle. And then the music changed again and I
was inside of a temple and it was just pitch
black dark and I wasn't afraid, but I was by myself.
There was no light, and at that point in time,
(02:12):
I I didn't know if I was still like in
the room, because the academy can be so strong that
it will make you feel like I am I even
still here? You know? Am I on another planet and
I another dimension? Like where am I? So I asked
the therapist like, hey, are you here? And you know,
(02:34):
she came over to me and she held my hand,
and when she held my hand, I knew that I
was like still in the room. For her to come
and hold my hand and give me that piece allowed
me to go deeper into the experience and things started
to wear off, so I took the headphones off and
we started to have a conversation about what I was seeing.
(02:56):
The Vision's former NFL player Kenny Stills, was seeing thanks
to ketamine, a psychedelic drug. Ketamine is completely legal in
the United States, and they're fortunate to be a problem
in the league either. But when media outlets reports stories
like this, they can get lost in the strange and
fantastic things athletes like Kenny we're seeing that isn't as
(03:16):
important as what he was seeking. I was diagnosed with
like a small case of depression into as in the
sixteen and I like to referred to that time as
like being underneath a cloud. You know, it's just like
a dominant cloud because the one depression is just I
guess it's kind of scary, but I think when I
(03:37):
think about that time, I felt like it was just very,
very dark and cloud. Elite athlete mental healthcare overall is
having a moment of greater recognition and support, especially in
light of disclosures from current athletes on the biggest stages
like Naomi Osaka and Simone Biles. It is hard to
talk about mental health because people can't see it they
(03:59):
can't crasp it. For them, it's not an injury, but
it almost is, and it has a worse effect on you.
We're on a daily basis. Seeking therapy for mental health
problems is a widely accepted treatment, but there's still stigma
around taking medication of any kind for mental illness. Traditional
(04:22):
antidepressants often have side effects like mental fog and lethargy,
which don't appeal to athletes. That's why Ronan Levy, co
founder and chairman of Field Trip, a company that provides
psychedelic assisted psychotherapy, I think psychedelics maybe more appealing. I
had this image of the archetype of like a twenty
(04:43):
year old brow from Pittsburgh, as a person who would
probably rather be dead than ever caught in a therapist office.
But then I asked myself, critic convinced that person to
try mushrooms once? And the answer I came back to
is probably yes. And if you get some and to
have that kind of spiritual opening experience just once, then
(05:04):
you open the door for much more meaningful conversations around
mental and emotional health and world being. But psychedelics carry
their own baggage to thanks to a multitude of anti
drug campaigns from seventies p s as to the DARE
program from the nineteen nineties. This is your brain on drugs,
(05:25):
any questions. Daniel Poneman, an NBA agent from Beyond Athlete Management,
knows what places psychedelics hold in the cultural imagination. Some
people still look at it as like something that crazy
hippies do, or you know something you pre parents of
what stock and don't recognize these is legitimate life saving
medicines and tell someone over and over points and statistics
(05:49):
and the clinical studies show how many lives these can save.
But people can still widely stigmatized. So I think, yeah,
there are athletes that I know who have had life
changing experiences with these medicines, but only a few of
them are brave enough to speak out if they're being stigmatized.
When I started researching for this story, that stigma made
(06:11):
it difficult to find any players or former players willing
to talk about their psychedelic use. Then on August three,
Aaron Rodgers went on a podcast and spoke about using ayahuasca,
a psychoactive tea containing the hallucinogenic drug d MT. To me,
one of the core tenets of your mental health is
that self love and that's what Iwaska did for me.
(06:36):
It was help me see how I'm gonna say love
myself and what better way to work on my mental
health and too, to have an experience like that back
to back NFL m v P. Aaron Rodgers was a
strong endorsement for psychedelics, no doubt, but in the wake
of his confession, the media reacted in a way that
(06:58):
showcases exactly why players find psychedelic use so hard to
talk about. D MT is classified as a Schedule one drug,
the same as heroin in ecstasy. Trust me on this,
Roger Goodell is not going to be good with the
way that you went about finding your true self. So
Aaron drank a psychedelic tea that made him hallucinate and yak,
(07:21):
and he said it took him to a different realm. Often,
mental health problems that would compel an athlete to seek
the kind of treatment that psychedelics may provide are shrugged
off by those looking in from the outside, a Simone
Bile said earlier in the show. When people can't see
the trauma, it's harder for them to grasp. But even
(07:41):
if fans watch their favorite players get smashed up, nightly.
They might not understand what kind of trauma they're trying
to escape with psychedelics. We started hitting at four years old,
so I started essentially changing my brain chemistry in for
the worst. That's former NHL enforcer Daniel Carsilo, a man
(08:05):
whose job it was to hit and be hit. Meanwhile,
Carsilo is growing some rights on his own. Garrett Little
Balmar Challenge of March. I got my seventh concussion and
these symptoms were just exasperated. I wanted nothing to do
with my kid. I was isolating. I didn't want to
(08:27):
go to the ring. We want to Stanley Cup. That year,
I didn't go to Banner Raising. I retired pretty abruptly.
I wanted nothing to do with any of the people
in hockey, to be honest. CTE, or chronic traumatic encephalopathy,
is a progressive brain condition linked to repeated blows to
the head and concussions. Ct E may cause mental health
(08:47):
and behavioral issues, including depression, anxiety, impulsivity, and aggression. Daniel
Carsilo had the kind of blows the head that leads
to CTE and had early symptoms of the side effects,
so he started looking for solutions. Just PhD biochemists and
(09:11):
my former teammate met me at this farm and and
surprised me with a large dose of pilocybin. It was
the most difficult two and a half hours of my life.
But what it did was it woke up my brain,
and it woke up my serotonin system and my nervous
system and my brain hemispheres that were definitely shut down
through emotional and physical trauma. And then I went home
(09:36):
with a micro dost regiment because I knew that it's like,
can't just be high doats, because I've had so much
sustained trauma that I need to continue to introduce this
on a perception level. Psilocybin or what we'd called magic mushrooms,
worked so well for Carsilo that he started we sawn
A Health. His focus is now on developing a holistic
(09:59):
wellness program for people with traumatic brain injuries that will
include psilocybin treatment. But the success of his business, which
is attached to names like Mike Tyson and Julianna Painia,
might Hinge on garnering FDA approval for clinical trials of
psilocybin in the US out of the classic psychedelics like
(10:19):
LSD or acid psilocybin or magic mushrooms, mescaline in pyote,
d m T in ayahuasca, and ketamine. Only ketamine is legal.
This means that studies showing their efficacy and dealing with
everything from depression to CTE are slow coming, and the
(10:41):
science community is divided. It is kind of it's interesting
back in source that I see in psychedelic research of
kind of one group describing these is kind of going
to change the world and change psychotry forever in one
group that's psychic that work and it's all a scam.
(11:04):
That's Courtney Campbell Walton, the Mackenzie post Doctoral Research Fellow
at the University of Melbourne. He co wrote the article
Advancing Elite Athlete Mental Health Treatment with Psychedelic Assisted Psychotherapy.
As far as I away, that's the first taper that's
ever um discussed psychedelic work in athletes populations. My interest
(11:26):
at the moment are very much like, how could this work,
how's this going to look in the future, and also
kind of preparing for the facts that it it likely
will happen. Those are the big questions right now. One
does it work anecdotally? Kenny Stills, Daniel Carcilo and others
say yes, but what does the science say. These trials
(11:49):
are so controlled, there is so much planning, there's so
much regulation, there's so much exclusion of you know, anyone,
that they might be some issues. But it's a very
different setting to to someone who's read an article online
about how someone was in a trial and took psychedelics
(12:10):
and they've their depressions cured, and so then they want
to go and do it themselves. You don't want to
shut these things down because they're exciting and promising and
it looks like they could be something there. But at
the same time, I'm very cautious about being like, yeah,
they're amazing if everyone should go and give it a go.
So the jury is out, but results are promising, which
(12:32):
brings up the second question, how would psychedelics even work
in sports? In my opinion, we're a long way, if
from athletes being able to do this outside of trials,
and then in sport, there's a whole bunch of other
things we need to think about. Do athletes using these
substances have negative side effects on their performance? That's obviously
(12:54):
going to be a really key factor in terms of
whether athletes want to engage in these things, whether teams, clubs,
organizations are supportive of ethletes using these substances, and on
the other hand, is you know, if there are positive
side effects outside of mental health. Obviously one improve mental health,
but if these things have, for whatever reason, positive effects
(13:18):
on more kind of physical attributes, then that's kind of
a whole another kettle of fish that that kind of
needs to be explored. So we need to do a
whole bunch of trials to really understand one of the
kind of other effects on top of mental health that
are relevant to sport. I reached out to major men's
(13:41):
and women's pro sports leagues, as well as the International
Olympic Committee to determine whether psychedelic use is allowed. The
World Anti Doping Agency, which governs Olympics policy, fans m
d m A from use during competition, but doesn't mention
other psychedelics. The NBA and w n B a to
prohibit ketamine LSD and m d m A in their
(14:04):
Drugs of Abuse category. MLB prohibits those and also ayahuasca, psilocybin,
and mescaline. None of the other leagues contacted responded with
policy information, so right now it's not looking good. For
psychedelics and sports. Kenny Stills doesn't think the NFL would
be receptive to the idea either. The league has probably
(14:28):
done a good job of keeping those conversations too far
up in out of the headlines. But um, I mean,
obviously don't just takema around psychedelics and being more like
a hippie drug and people really just not understanding the
benefits of the different plant medicines that are out there
(14:48):
and think of how they can out. Generally, leagues are
conservative and reactionary, like cannabis before it. Professional sports won't
green light psychedelics until a sentiment of the people is
overwhelmingly for it. Psychedelics will have to shake off that
taboo stigma. I've started to see more people now talk
(15:09):
about to you see the Netflix documentaries that have come
out for the past couple of years. But yeah, there's
just the stigma around psychedelics and just people I think
honestly are afraid to be transparent about their experiences with them.
The only way that you move the needles through celebrities
(15:32):
or athletes, the only way you be stigmatize is when
they start doing it. The rest of everybody else starts
doing it, right, I think for the athlete community who
may feel that same kind of resistance to conventional talk
therapy and cognitive the annual therapy, then there's certainly a glow,
a real psychedelics that they can seem cool, and I
think that's going to help people take a step into
(15:55):
exploring this, whereas other paths they may have been off limits.
Thanks for listening, and a reminder to please rate and
review the show. It helps people find us. Sports Illustrated
(16:17):
Weekly is a production of Sports Illustrated and I Heart Radio.
For more podcasts from I Heart Radio, visit the I
Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your
favorite shows. And for more Sports Illustrated's best stories and podcasts,
visit SI dot com. This episode of Sports Illustrated Weekly
was produced by Jordan Rizzieri, Jessica your Moski, and Isaac Lee,
(16:39):
who is also our sound engineer. Our senior producers are
Dan Bloom and Harry sward Out. Our executive producers are
Scott Brody and me John Gonzalez, and our theme song
is by Nolan Schneider.
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On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!