A Crystalized Milestone with Jax

It’s a flipping good time! Jax drops by to chat about mixing cheerleading with drag and reminisces about her first drag number. Alec and Loni have crystallized and are ready to celebrate the 200th episode of RuPaul’s Drag Race and all it took to achieve such a milestone. Then, they don’t drop the ball when it comes to breaking down the looks from The Crystal Ball runway. Plus, after hearing Anetra’s story this week, Loni shares her own heartbreaking story of her mother kicking her out at 16 and how she got her life back. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hello, Hello, Hello, and welcome Welcome back to another episode
of Squirrel Friends, the official RuPaul's Drag Race Podcast. I'm
Alec Mapa and here with me today's the Queen of
Show Business America's sister, Lonnie Love. Alec, how are you,
don I'm late today. I'm so frazzled just being a
dad and working. And I don't know if this happens

(00:27):
to you, Lonnie, Well, you work all the time, so
this doesn't happen to you. But the life of an
actor is you're kind of like a fireman, you know.
It's you can sit around for days or weeks with
absolutely nothing, and then all of a sudden, three buildings
catch fire, and then you're busier than you've ever been exactly.
That's what we love the work. So it's it's yeah, understandable,
and I want Squirrel Friends to know. That's why sometimes

(00:50):
you're doing an interview or I'm doing an interview by
the way, or Amri says hello and that she missed you.
So AH, just wanted you to know that, Oh that's nice.
Oh I missed I missed the Filipino interview. Yeah that's
really bad. That's really bad on my part. But I
was working. It was a great interview though, and she's

(01:12):
a great queen, and this is a great episode RuPaul,
Season fifteen, Episode nine. You know, and what I love
about these episodes that you know, they're getting better and
better because we're losing queens getting better challenges. It's good.
Tell us about the spoiler. Okay, all right, the spoilers.
These are the things that we're going to be covering

(01:34):
on this week's episode. First of all, it's the two
hundredth episode, Lonnie, two hundred episodes. We're celebrating the two
hundredth episode of RuPaul's drag Race. We're going to look
back at some iconic moments in the mini Challenge Chalonge.
We're gonna get crystallized with a Maxie Challenge ball. All

(01:55):
the queens have to come up with three different looks
than coming up. A little bit later, we'll hear my
interview with and of course we're going to talk about
the lip sync, of course, but before we do that,
you know, we have something special because this is season fifteen. Alright,
squirrel friends, it's time for fifteen seconds to say. This
is where Alec and I have fifteen seconds to race

(02:16):
and say all of our most important thoughts and takes
on the topic given to us by the fabulous producers.
It's season fifteen, which means fifteen seconds. So here we go. Okay,
with this being the two hundredth episode drag Race, we
have to share our favorite moment from I guess this
episode from this elode? Yeah, since why shot from all episodes? Well,

(02:42):
it's the two hundredth. So okay, if you want to
do anything, you could do whatever. Okay, I'm sure podcast
you can do what you want to. It's a squirrel
friends you. Okay, So anything your favorite moment from the show,
so Ali, I'm gonna give you fifteen seconds. Okay, ready,

(03:03):
set say if I'm saying from this show so far,
anything that Sasha Colby is in I is my favorite,
especially in the ball this week and then from all time,
um Alyssa Edwards and Tatiana lipsticking you dive seconds. I
was panicked. I was panicked. I was panicked. I was

(03:24):
I was afraid because you weren't using a watch. You
were doing this digitally. I saw you cutting down your fingers.
Score for now. I'm giving him fingers now, Okay, Okay, Okay,
here we go. Okay, ready say, um. I love these
comfort outfits that RuPaul is giving us for this, and overall,

(03:47):
I just love all of the stories that the queens
give um, their personal stories because it shows why we
still have to keep fighting for LGBTQ. Yeah, you did it,
You did it, You did it. I don't know if
I was as accurate as an actual stopwatch, but this
was a really emotional episode, Lonnie. It really really is.
But let's talk about what it takes to do two

(04:10):
hundred episodes. We're talking about I've done the cruise. We're
talking about the producing, we're talking about you know, casting.
I mean, it really is a feat. And for this
type of show to be an Emmy winning show, to
be a show that's about queer rights and you know,
to show the beauty in the of drag race and

(04:32):
drag in particular, it's really something to be proud of it.
I never thought that they would get to two hundred episodes.
Crew never thought that it would be I don't yeah,
I don't think they ever did. And I remember the
one hundredth episode was back in season eight. It was
Bob the Drag Queen's episode, and one hundred episodes, it
seemed like a lot. Yeah, I may or may not

(04:52):
be right on that. Maybe maybe Derek Barry was the
hundredth queen. Listen. You know, we have great producers on
this show, so they're gonna set me right any second. Now,
we're correct. You are correct. I have act of a
talk show. I did one thousand, three hundred and thirty

(05:14):
six episodes. Oh my god. And that's every day for
and actually it might be a little bit more because
they didn't count the test season. We did like four
weeks of the test season. So but you know the
record for me and I did all one thousand episodes.
You never missed the show, never missed a show. Do

(05:36):
you hear that, folks. That's that's why she's the Queen
of show business. She never missed a show. I did
a tour of a Broadway show and I never missed
a show for a year. Eight times a week. Wow,
I don't Yeah, I don't know how many shows that is.
But like you were saying earlier, the achievement that it takes,
the effort that it takes, well, you know this like

(05:58):
working on a show, the people behind the scenes, the writers,
the designers, the hair and makeup people, the crew, the camera.
They're all instrumental in producing the show, and certainly the
cast and crew of RuPaul's Drag Race. I see the
crew people of RuPaul's Drag Race all over town all
the time. The writers and the producers I'm very close with,
and they work really hard. They love this show as

(06:21):
much as maybe ten times more than the fans do,
and they are they are committed to giving the best
show possible, producing the best show possible, and they do
year after year. Well it shows, and that's the reason
why this is an Emmy winning show. So congratulations, clations everybody,
the whole crew at RuPaul's Drag Race on your two episode. Now,

(06:42):
if you want us to say something for fifteen seconds,
DMUs or message us your ideas at Alec Mapa on
Instagram or at common Lonnie Love on Instagram and at
Lonnie Love on Twitter. Let's get into this episode. Alec. Yes, Okay,
So we said goodbye to Jack's last week. Yeah, who
had lip syncd a lot like five six seven five

(07:05):
six seven times, and I felt bad. I was a
little surprised because Jack's was so amazing in the Talent
Show competition. The very first episode she jumped rope with
her own hair and that was absolutely astonishing. But she
didn't seem to be able to kind of plug into
that same energy for the rest of the song because
again because she was flipping, she was tired, you know.

(07:25):
And Marsha Marsha Marsha felt that Jackson's elimination was a
long time comment. She says she lives sync five total times,
which they did show. I don't know if you are
on the bottom that much there. There is something that
it's like, it's possibly wrong, right that you're always on
the bottom. Yeah. Alyssa Edwards lip SYNCD a lot and

(07:49):
she kind of went on to become a superstar. She
never actually won the show, but she certainly won our
hearts definitely. RuPaul is definitely dressing for comfort this season. Yep,
gone are the Epstein Parker suits and now is I
feel like we're having brunch yet Ruse House doesn't feel

(08:10):
He comes into the workroom. It comes to the good
workroom with this very loose fitting shirt. I don't know
where he gets his shirts because he's seven feet tall
and it almost looks like a Gucci print shirt with
like a red and a green stripe going down the
very middle of it. It's like a button up shirt
and it has a floral pattern on it, and a

(08:31):
RuPaul is wearing what appears to be like aviator frame glasses.
I would, Okay, this is what we have to do, Lonnie.
I know we've met, we've both met RuPaul, but I
want to actually become close enough to RuPaul that I
can go. I want to see your clothes. Let's go
into your closet and look at all this stuff. There's
an apartment that he uses an office and a storage space.

(08:53):
He doesn't actually live there. I think he lives there sometimes,
but it's mainly there for the clothes. Oh wow, because
there's so many clothes. Can you imagine having a whole
other apartment that's just clothed. You know, I have to
give it up to him because what the squirrel frames.
You have to realize is that he has to be
part of the show, not just getting into drag, but

(09:14):
also when we're gonna talk about coming up, it's the
Maxi Challenge and he's wearing herd toe shoes. I'm like, dude,
I know you tired because you get your hard toe
shoes on and you standing all day and you're trying to.
You know, you're filming and everything. So I think that,
you know, for season's fifteen, he is a little more
relaxed in his outfits because it seems like they have

(09:34):
him working a lot more right in these episodes, so
you know, he just wants to be comfortable, cool, but
he still looks stylish and it's still the RuPaul that
we know. You know, well, I gotta tell you idea.
I performed with Alaska from RuPaul's Drag Race. We did
Golden Girl's Life. She played Rose, I played Sophia. Jackie

(09:54):
beat was the bi Arthur character, and Sherry Vine played Blanche.
I wore heels for one weekend, Lonnie. It was a
very old lady biscuit heel, kind of a church lady shoe.
I thought I was going to die. I say, it's
going to die. But how did How did the shows go?
The shows were great, I mean everybody showed it. We

(10:14):
were sold out. We did seven shows in three days.
Oh my goodness. And Alaska I fell in love with
so much fun and so funny, but a weird thing.
I don't. You don't wear heels anymore, right, I don't
know if you ever did. I used to, but not anymore.
I'm done. Have you ever gotten a Charlie Horse in
your sleep? Yes? Yes, like with your cat, I got

(10:34):
in a Charlie Horse. Wow. I was interviewing someone. Oh
my god, in the middle of the interview, did you
stop or did you go did you like go stop
I'm about to die? Or did you just muscle through it?
You start kicking a foot, you start kicking a leg
trying to get it out. So tell me about your
abdomic movie like that. Yeah, yeah, it's hilarious. So so

(10:59):
what happened to me was I'm sleeping. I'm exhausted. I've
done three shows in a row. I'm falling asleep. Both
my toes Charlie Horse, doll ten toes all Charlie Horse.
It was gotta eat bananas. That a drink, Yeah, you
got you gotta you gotta gotta drink water, eat bananas constantly.

(11:21):
Your potassiums off, babe. Okay, thank you doctor, you know,
thank you. We gotta take a little quick break, Alec.
But when we come back, I'm talking about that mini challenge.
Will be right okay, hopefully my feet will recover by
then we'll be right back. And we are back yes,

(11:44):
oh my goodness. Okay. To kick off the celebration for
the Mini Challenge and the Magic of Green Screen, the
Queens will photo bomb iconic moments from Drag Race. Her story,
I thought, I they have the photo bomb Challenge a
lot in the previous seasons. Basically, they're giving fifteen minutes
to get in a quick drag, they're gonna pose in
front of the green screen, and they're gonna photo bomb

(12:06):
iconic moments. So they had all the queens like photo
bombing every single Morgan McMichael. They had them bombing Jake's
monsoon winning and a Nietzsche chose to photo bomb Willow
Pill and so she jumped up in the air and
made herself look like she was about to jump into
the tub that Willow Pill had set up for the town.

(12:27):
That was so cool because even you know, this is
where they had rude. They had Rue holding a camera
like he's really taking the pictures. It's like, okay, yeah, really,
so you didn't buy that he's holding the pictures. And
so she says, you know what, she was doing all
the poses. But then she was like, I wanna jump.
I want to look like I'm jumping in the pool

(12:49):
and it kind of seemed like it wouldn't work, but
she was jumping so high with her knees like to
her chest that it worked perfectly. It was the perfect look.
You know. I always amazed, like how quickly they get
into drag. Fifteen minute quick drag. I could not do that.
Mistress Isabel Brooks had a full beat and full wig.
She looked amazing. Marsha Marsha, Marsha chose to look like

(13:12):
a Martian, Martian Martian and she just came out in
booger drag. She was bald, she looked like missus clean
and she photo bombed Jake's mouth soon. That was very,
very funny, but a nature one. Yep. She won twenty
five dollars cash, and I think she should have because
I think that was like the perfect you know, it

(13:33):
was great. Yeah, it was really really good. Now, so
we're done with the Mini challenge. Now we're on to
the Maxi challenge. What is it? Alan? Well, to keep
the party going, RuPaul tells the Queen's for this week's
Maxi Challenge, they are throwing a ball. Huh see, Now,
a ball on RuPaul's drag race does not necessarily mean
you're Cinderella and you're going to a big party. It

(13:56):
means you have to get to work. This comes from
the drag balls in Harlem when they say they're giving
a ball, you got to put together your looks and
the point is to win. They have to come up
with three different looks. And since the traditional fifteenth anniversary
gift is crystal, it's a crystal ball, cristal ball, they
have to serve three sickening looks. Name the looks, Lonnie, Okay,

(14:20):
First it start your engines and other nat of RuPaul's
classic racing suit. I thought that was great. Second, my
favorite ball, they take an eleganza look from a pass
ball and make it their own. And then third was
the crystallize eleganza. They need to make a look from
scratch dripping in crystals. So basically they had two looks

(14:44):
they could get from home, yes, but the third look,
the crystal look. They had this big table and you
see all those crystals and everything that they had. I'm like,
oh god, they have to make it from scratch. Yeah,
from scratch. So would you make your prom suit again?
Since you know how to do, yes, I would. I
would definitely make my prompt suit, I would just and
I would add a little more bling to it. It

(15:05):
was powder blue, it was right below the knee, it
was a fitted jacket, and it was linen, and I
had it lying. That's how That's how I was really good.
I got really good with a certain like. It was
just a regular stitch, so I was able to stitch
and do all that kind of stuff and it didn't

(15:26):
need to use any type of hot glue or anything
like that. But I could really do it again, but
I would add more bling to the suit. Yes, out
of the three of these, which one do you think
you would love to do? Well? Certainly I don't sew.
I don't have your sewing prowess, but gosh, start your engines.
Is I love anything where you have to take an
original take off of an existing idea. And basically, Rue

(15:49):
is in that logo every single time at the top
of the show, in that famous Microuise photograph of her
in the racing outfit with the checkerboard, the pink suit
and the white boots flawless. So I'd want to do
that one. And then they had the added benefit of
Carson coming in and kind of giving them critiques, which
I think This is like he was like Tim Gunn

(16:11):
on Project Runway, kind of giving his thoughts on everybody's designs.
And I think that's really helpful. You know, he told
Spice that we liked your stuff, but it hasn't been
all that memorable or you need to elevate it, you know.
Having his kind of thoughts and critiques on this, I
think would actually help the Queens. You know, I really
appreciate it, the realness of the critiques for the Queens,

(16:33):
especially with Spice, because you know, we know Spice has
Rupau said instantly, since you've had the same silhouette, you
haven't done anything different. I mean it's like, and we
know that you have this great body and everything, but
you haven't done anything different and you need to challenge yourself.
And I agreed with that wholeheartedly. But you know who
also has been doing the same silhouette. Oh, Musha, Musha, Musha.

(16:58):
You know what, I didn't want saying nothing. She has
come out in a short good or bad. I'm just
saying she repeated her entrance look and the first episode,
and she's been coming out in short things that she
can dance in. I think the longest thing she's worn
on the show so far is that nightgown during the
talent show? Yeah, I mean you just have to tell

(17:20):
them the truth. Yeah, you know, and that's the whole
purpose of it. So yeah, I appreciated that it was
funny because they said spice fifty percent less sugar. I
thought that was funny. That was funny. Mistress. They also
spoke to Mistress. They said that she was very saucy
and full of glam. She said that she feels like
the girls are intimidated by her, right and so rue

(17:42):
and Carson was asking her how did she feel about that,
and she was like, well, you know, it is what
it is. Whenever you're a big girl, people do tend
to feel like they're kind of intimidated by you. And
I kind of in a way. I don't know if
it's because I'm a big girl. Yeah, you have to
carry yourself differently when you're a big girl. So okay,
So like when I was on the reel, I was

(18:03):
at the table and they were all when I say
small girls, small girls, like it wasn't you know. And
so when you're dealing with your physical that's a bigger
physical even like when if you say certain things you
have to watch how you say it, really because it
can come off as a bully. It could come off
and if you notice, I don't get that from you.

(18:25):
I don't get a bully energy from you. Well, but no,
it's not a bully energy. But when you're talking about
topics safe, it's a certain topic that you're talking about
and this person is disagreeing with you, you have to
be a little more gentler with that person because it
can look it can be interpreted as bullying, like you're

(18:47):
imposing because of your size. Meanwhile, some citty bitch could
say whatever she wants and kind of, yeah, go off
on people. I really appreciate people who are And what
I like about mistress Isabel Brooks is what you see
is what you get, right. I don't get a two
faced thing from her. I don't get a phony vibe
from her. I get that she's a really genuine person. Yeah, definitely.

(19:09):
But she's also very transparent and she tells you how
she feels. So that's what happens. Also, Selena, as titties
they talk to her, she says that she wants to
try to keep it simple emotionally, her confidence is being
tested because you know, she's been at the bottom. Yeah,
and yeah, she started crying this design this was a

(19:32):
design challenge. I think what and I think we were
talking about this how Selena has been trying to incorporate
her culture, which is a very edgy culture for her,
and she's trying to incorporate it. But it was like,
you know, because she was at the bottom of the
last design challenge, that got in her head. Yeah, it
got into her head and she was very, very emotional,

(19:53):
and she's feeling insecure about it. So I feel kind
of bad for her. You know, I get that inner
sabatour thing. I you know, that's a very real thing.
When you're a performer. You could get in your head
in a really negative way. But I'm always reminded of
that expression you're your biggest problem, but you're also your
biggest solution. And this, like, I don't know if this

(20:15):
is ever happening to you. You know, sometimes I'll be
reading for I'll be testing for a television show and
I'll walk in and it'll be nothing but famous people,
and I'll be going, oh, what am I doing here?
But then now the switch for me has become like
I'm here they called me in you know that this
wasn't by accident. Nobody put a gun to their head
to have me here. I'm here for a reason, So

(20:36):
I think that's what you have to do. You have
to really talk yourself out of those situations. Because if
you can talk yourself and do a bad situation where
you're feeling, you know, insecure and not confident, you could
do the other thing just as definitely. Definitely. Well, there's
a lot of hand play going on, and we're going
to take a break because when we come back, we'n't
talk about work room Elimination Day. I can't wait for
this and some really good stuff coming up. You said

(20:58):
headplay that makes me giggle. We'll be right back. Oaps,
and we're back. So we're back in the workroom Elimination Day.
We find out that Anita doesn't speak to her mom anymore.
That broke my heart. That absolutely broke my heart. The

(21:19):
story that Anita told was that she came out to
her mother and one moment her mother was fine with it,
from my understanding, and then she said her mother came
to her a week later and said, you're making everybody
in our family uncomfortable. You need to move out. Yeah,
she basically Anita was saying that her mother came to her,

(21:39):
like you said, and what I got from stories that
the mother encouraged her to come out and be herself.
Just go out and be yourself. And so that's what
she did. And then, like you said, a week later,
not only tells her that she's making everybody uncomfortable, but
kicks her out. And she wasn't even able to say

(22:01):
goodbye to her sibling, her siblings, and it didn't sound
like the siblings had a problem with her. No, when
we meet a Nitra, we'll ask that question if she's
willing to have that conversation. But I mean to say
to somebody that we're fine with you and then flip
the script a week later is awfully fishy to me.
Let me tell you something about stepdads and boyfriends and stuff,

(22:23):
because when I was sixteen, my mom got a new
boyfriend and I came home one day and all of
my stuff was in trash bags. What my mom told
me to leave, And I'm like, what are you talking about.
It's like I was sixteen years old, I was working
at the automobile factory. It was I was about to graduate,

(22:46):
So I ended up getting like a part time job
at the automobile factory. I had this little car, it's
a little Chevy Chevet. It had a hole in it.
It was my first car, just like Obama's first car. Yeah,
it had a hole in like the Flynn's you can
put your feet down. And I know that it was because,
you know, my mom for such a long time was

(23:08):
this single working mother, and so when she found this
man and he was like, you know, started you know,
living with us, he just popped up or whatever. And
I don't know, maybe because I was sixteen and I
was a young girl, she just didn't want me there.
And I will never forget that. Did you have a
place to go? I didn't have a place to go
because my mother called all of my aunts and my cousins,

(23:31):
my grandma and made up stories about me so that her,
oh it's believe me, it makes you stronger. Um, So
I ended up. I was homeless for about lone I'm
so sorry. That's you know, horrible. What I really got

(23:53):
from this story was that with a Natra, that that
kind of betrayal and that kind of rejection still hurts
well when you talk about it. I mean, if you
can tell like the way I'm crying, the way Nietschra
was crying, it's the same thing. But what I love
about a Nietzsra's story was that it allowed her to
reconnect with her biological father. And her biological father was

(24:16):
the one that actually supported her. And because they had
a rocky relationship and he took her in, he brought
her her first sewing machine, and you know, it's now
one of a Nietra's biggest supporter. And for me, what
it allowed me to do was realized that I need
to get out of this state. I needed to go
to college. And I ended up going to an HBCU.

(24:39):
If you're in a university, and I got my life back.
And you know, but when parents reject you, I don't
care what it is for what it's about, you know,
it's what this happened. What forty years ago, I'm still
so painful. But to hear her story and to hear
the fact that this person wanted to you know, I

(25:01):
don't know. Sometimes I think I really want to talk
to a Nie Trip because of Mike. Was it a trick?
Was your mom? Like you know what I mean? Because
some people just go through stuff like yeah, just come
on out. And in that way, I have a reason
to kick you out. But anyway, you know, I don't
want to get too far into it. I just know
you can go through anything. Yeah. I've done a lot

(25:21):
of work with homeless youth, queer youth that have been
kicked out of their homes through the LGBT Center, And
what happens is they have homes, group homes where they
could all go. These are teenagers, right, And originally it
was called Gay and Lesbian Adolescent Social Services, I don't
know what it's called now Glass and they said a
lot of fund raisers for them, and all these kids
were kicked out for being lesbian, gay, bisexual, or trans,

(25:45):
and they formed families in these homes and they formed
kinships and fellowship. And Sasha Colby spoke about that briefly,
about that she was a Jehovah's witness in high school
and she wasn't out to her parents, but she took
dance classes and the Colby family took her in, took
her to her first drag show, and we're really there.

(26:06):
So out of the ashes, you know, out of these
painful moments in our lives, there there is a possibility
of a rainbow on the other side, and it sounds
like that's what happened to you. You found your education,
you found your calling. Did you ever end up speaking
to your mother again? It's back and forth with her
and at a certain point in your life, you're like,

(26:26):
you know what, I'm done, and so I could relate
to so much of what a nietri. You know, you
miss your mom, but it's like if you call and
then it's gonna be some drama or it's still not
just it's like, look, lady, thank you for birth and me.
But I'm right. It's like you're not. On a certain point,
You're like, I'm just done. You're done, and you have

(26:47):
to It's like, yeah, people don't always understand that forgiveness
is for yourself. It's not for the exactly so that
you can go on, So that you can go on,
and I think that that's what's important. On a lie,
I note, mistress, I want to give you a big hug.
I told you so much I would never sweep. Yeah,
I mean I'm sorry that I know. Yeah. With that,

(27:11):
we go to the main stage and Paul comes out
in an amazing outfit, red patent leather, a red patent
leather boostier red patent leather gloves that had red patent
leather fringe like a cowgirl. And this is another amazing
Zaldi design and a very very short skirt. Ruiseven wearing

(27:34):
a lot of short stuff this season. She showed a
lot of leg and yeah, a red patent leather too too.
And she came out. She had her big kind of
yellowish blonde mane and she did her newest single. She
sang a song and I love seeing her step touch
in two and four kid like I'm grew Paul. This

(27:55):
is all the dancing I'm gonna do. I'm gonna step
touch and then I'm gonna walk forward and then I'm
gonna walk back. That's what you get. I loved it.
I love to see RuPaul perform, and I just think
that it's great because it's like it tells you the
origins of RuPaul and everywhere that she's come from. You know,
that's our mama. So she wants to perform. Let her perform. Yeah.

(28:20):
Her single was called Cake and Candy, and she had
the dancers, there's little chefs and there was plenty of
cake and on that stage, and they had a cake
and they had a cake yea episode, so it was
really good. The special guest judge was Julia Garner from
Ozark to that show She loved Bird. She's so good
inventing Anna. She's just a great actress. Okay. The runway

(28:44):
category is the crystal ball up. Oh yeah, Mistress Isabelle
Brooks doing three of her favorite looks. She came out.
The first one is gentlemen, start your engines. She did
her version of that track suit you know that RuPaul
where she did it in bright fire engine red patent

(29:06):
leather with white stripes, kind of a platinum blonde wig.
And she had sayings all over the suit. I have
stuff that other queens have said, other big girls have said,
so I thought that was amazing. She had you right
up on the side of her leg, which is something
that Madame Lecqueer, another big girl, had said. And this

(29:26):
was really really good. What do you think? I thought?
She looked perfect. It fit her perfectly. I love the
ball outfit. It looks, it looked fun, it looked playful,
but it fit her body. Yeah, I mean yeah, she
does the same thing that Eureka does. She proportionizes for
the second ball outfit she did the ball challenge and

(29:47):
those plastic beach balls. She made an entire catsuit out
of it in all primary colors, in red, green, white,
and she had two giant beach balls as her boobies,
and she had a face Kenny made out of the
beach ball. They had additional tiny beach balls forming like
a ponytail kind of going. That was so smart. That

(30:08):
was so smart to do that, because then it kind
of massed her look. So it was like good that
she could, you know, because you've got three looks in
one run way category, it's like it gives it something
to like look different with. So okay. And what was
her last crystal look? The last one was the crystal
and like Gonza look, she did an all white gown

(30:30):
with a train at the bottom, very form fitting. She
had jewels all around, a decoltage right below her breasts,
and also she had these sleeves, like these sleeves that
went over her shoulders, and from those sleeves she had
like two feet of cascading strings of crystals. And she
made this Lonnie made it. Yeah. Well, you know, the

(30:51):
judges loved all of her looks. They had all of them.
Nothing bad to say they loved it all. They said
she did a great job. So she was up for
contender for winning this channel. She was in the top three. Yeah,
next Spice and she did Gentlemen, start your engines. The
detail on this was amazing. She did a shiny red
fabric and as usual, she did a little mini dress.

(31:13):
But at the hem of the mini dress she had
those racing stripes, the racing checkerboard, checkerboard. It's not stripes, Alec,
it's a checkerboard that they do on that drag race flag.
She had red boots platform boots with a white rally
stripe down the very middle, and the platform was checkerboard.
And she had a little sign that said ding ling

(31:33):
because her song is wears her digger Ling. Well, the
boys want to know where my dagger ling at is
the song that she sings. And I liked this. I
thought this was pretty sure effect. The only issue was
that there was a hymn. She didn't him, oh on
her crystal look, Yeah, on a crystal look. I'll let
you go through all three of them, go through all three, okay, okay, Well,

(31:54):
the second one she did was like there was another
ball challenge, but she did like little kitty like yarn
balls all over her body. It was a similar silhouette.
She had the platform boots again. She had a miniskirt again.
She had yard all through her hair as she coughed
up a hairball. She had those tiny little like rick
rack balls that you see at the bottom of the
curtains as a necklace. So she did look like a

(32:17):
cat toy. It was very cute and for her crystal look,
She's finally, finally in a long dress, and I thought
she looked great. It was a silver kind of almost
like a lama a skirt, and it had slits on
the side with bows. She had a crystal boostier that
crisscrossed around her neck, and she had long black hair.

(32:40):
I thought she looked very pretty. I mean very pretty.
Her face was beat to the gaunts. I don't know,
maybe she could have did something well. They clocked her
because the bottom of her dress wasn't finished. It looked sloppy.
She said it was glued. I didn't notice it at first,
but when the camera zumed in in it, I saw it.
And also Michelle said, it's a long skirts fabric wrapped

(33:00):
around your body. Yeah, that's why I was saying like
maybe if you would have did floy Pans. I mean,
they just wanted Spice to do something different. And then
you could tell that, you know, they could tell that
she had the urge to, you know, not trot her signature.
I know, the one thing I can do, I can

(33:22):
trot Coming up next Blux Noir London. This one is
really really talented. She is a talented designer and sewer.
She did a miniskirt version of the start your Engines look.
It was in RuPaul's signature pink and white. She had
hit boots, lace up boots, white pot leather all the
way to the top, tiny microbe miniskirt, pink in the middle,

(33:45):
white stripes on the side. She was bearing her tummy
because she's a skinny little thing, and she had kind
of like a hot pink top. And instead of the
RuPaul cascading hair, she did a ponytail like Madonna on
the Tour of Truth or Dare. And she had a
great big drag race flag and she was great. She
really worked this. She so I mean when you say

(34:05):
redesign redesign a look, this is what we mean by
redesign a look, not copy it. Yeah, like reimagine it.
It looks great. It's different from pants to a skirt,
hair long to a top bun. This is how you
do it. She knows her body, she knows what to do,
she knows how beautiful. Next was a Terry Muglaire inspired design.

(34:31):
It was all black. She had these two giant black
ponytails coming out of the side and cascading and I
was really really beautiful and black gauntlet gloves on the
side and almost like a black boostier. But it was
made out of braids and the skirt looked like it
was made out of braids too, really really cool. Well

(34:51):
ways cinched to twenty and twenty inches inches A yeah,
so she's a skinny bitch who would not be intimid
in her argument. Meanwhile, Lonnie Love has to apologize. The
world is not fair. She came out for the crystal outfit.
Look at that tinker Bell. She had a blue outfit
and it was a very high waisted body suit, not

(35:14):
a bodysuit, not a cat suit, but kind of like
a leotard. That was like beautiful, and she's sowed this, Lonnie.
So in the middle of it is a white crystal thing,
but there's a transparency that goes all the way to
her shoulder. So cute, so cute, and little wings, crystal wings.
She looked like tinker Bell from Disneyland and absolutely beautiful

(35:34):
and just playing with the colors. The color of her
hair was like a lavender and it matched the outfit,
which you know, I don't know how she got like
the wings were like that, so creative and it will
kind of be afraid, especially because she's a darker hue
to put it up against that lavender. It worked, It
worked perfectly. Everything pops on her and she's like she's

(35:57):
like a project runway. Yeah, contestant. I mean, that's to
have that talent in your arsenal in addition to being
a queen, that you can design things this beautiful, amazing.
Next up we have Marsha Marsha Marsha who did her
version of Start Your Engines in kind of Pastel's which
I wasn't really into it first, but it looked like
it was made really well. She had the drag Race

(36:18):
flag as her boustier as her bra a yellow corset
and she kind of did it in kind of pastel colors.
What do you think? Yeah, I mean, it's just something
about Marsha, Marsha Masha. It's just not I feel like
Marsha Marsha Marsha is very beautiful and she's passing, and
I want to see just a little more. Yeah, I

(36:39):
just want to see a little more drag. She wore
more makeup, Yeah, she wore more makeup. Yea. But here's
here's my issue with the colors. By doing all the
girls have come out in bright reds or bright pinks
or you know, really shiny fabrics, they're really energetic, and
I think by coming out in a pastel it kind
of waters it down. It seemed less energetic to me.

(37:01):
But that's just my opinion. Okay, Now this is what
I'm talking about for her a second fall. Look, she
did bags, and she said bags are made out of fabric,
and so she came out an all beige, kind of
teutonic milk made kind of Look. Now, she's done a
drendal before, she did this kind of silhouette. Before, she
had these kind of like hidy braids, pippelong stocking that

(37:24):
went on the side, a kerchief, this tight little drendal dress,
all one color. It's designed really well, but I feel like,
again we've seen this on her before. Yeah, that's what
I'm saying. It's like, it's nothing different. Nothing that's you
know when we say it's a design challenge for a reason,
it's not just you know, we're gonna give you something
and what can you make it to make it stand out,

(37:46):
to make you look different than what you've done before.
So I mean, beautiful girl, right, and it's a great outfit,
but yeah, it's nothing different. I know. She came out
for her crystal look, dripping in pearl She had ropes
and rope to pearls, kind of like a Marie Antoinette
in her underwear type lingerie type situation was cute. This

(38:07):
was really cute and her makeup was actually very very pretty.
She did her hair in an updu it wasn't down
like Marcia Brady. She looked very elegant. I thought she
looked really elegant, this kind of lingerie Victoria's secret Marie
Antoinette look. Yeah, you know what would have pop though
to me if she would have put that red lip on.
You know that is a pop, a red lip on

(38:29):
their girl and just you know, pop and make that
face pop a little bit more. Because I felt like
with all of the white and the pearls. It's like, okay,
well now this is the chance that you can make
your face pop a little bit, right. But she looks beautiful.
She looks beautiful. She looks beautiful, but she is resting
on pretty. I agree. Selena s titties comes out in

(38:49):
kind of again. Her LA version of the jumpsuit, now
RuPaul's was kind of the way RuPaul does its skin
tight because of her body is amazing and as a
bigger girl, so Stitt has decided to do a baggy
version of a pit crew jumpsuit. It was in light
blue and it had black stripes kind of bisecting the

(39:11):
thighs and the knees and the calves. And she worked
with a white platform shoe. She's get a top knot ponytail.
And I always love her presentations and I think that
because she's a big girl, she chose to do a
baggy fitting outfit. And I always say this because Malaysia
Baby Doll Fox is the next one. I think that

(39:33):
it made her look bigger by choosing a baggy or outfit.
You know, That's what I am finding now in fashion
is that you know, you think that you want to
be baggy because you don't want to show certain parts
of your body because you know the way you might
be shaped. But actually it makes you look smaller, yeah,
you know, and you go tighter. Yeah, so I like

(39:56):
the idea. I wish it had been tighter. And so
she comes out for her second look. It's the paperball
that she did, and she did versions of like abt
checks as like a frill collar and a gown native
also bills and everything, and it kind of looks like
an La palm tree. I get the idea. I get
the idea, but the fit for me is kind of off.

(40:19):
And what Michelle Bassage said is you knock us out
with your presentation, and your drag almost makes it, and
we're in love with you. We want to be in
love with your drag as well. Well, you know, I
thought this was a funny take because it's food stamps
with her face on it. Yes, I thought that that
was really funny. And I love her embracing that when
she said there's no room for shame in this game.

(40:41):
I love that that she kind of owns that. And again,
her last outfit was she chose satin, which Carson said
is a difficult material. She had like a strapless gown
with one gigantic slit on the side, and then she
used the crystals as kind of like a graph over
the satin, and I think it just kind of like
took away from the satin. It kind of made the

(41:03):
satin look bunchy. Yeah, they said that it didn't fit right.
The judges said that they felt like it didn't fit right.
She's trying, Yeah, she's trying. And also she's a great performer,
like it. With each runway she tells me a three
act play and I enjoy every bit of it. But
I agree with Michelle that we love her. We just
want to love her drag as well. Well, even like

(41:25):
the gown, you know, she said you gotta pull it up,
and so that's not fitting. And then they said that
the jumpsuit. This is the judges they were saying it
was bulky and messy. So you know, sometimes what's good
on paper, it's not necessarily good once you start designing
it and you just have to make adjustments to it.
Have you overworn a strapless gown that you had to
keep on pulling up? Oh? Yeah, And I hate that.

(41:47):
That's why I don't wear them. I need some straps. Honey,
give me some, give me some straps, give me some
rubber bands or something. So you know, but we gotta
take a quick little break because we're gonna finish up
when we come right back. Alrighty, and we're back. We

(42:10):
have a bunch of looks to go through. Next up
Malaysia Baby Doll Fox, who did the thing that I
said that a Celenia Stits should have done. She came
out in her version of Striker Engines in a baby
pink catsuit that had a crystal kind of almost crystal
pink belt that bisected her in the middle. She came

(42:31):
out with a pink helmet. I love this on her
because it was like, she's a big girl, but the
shape was beautiful. Well, the whole thing is everybody gets so,
you know, like we have Lizzo, now we have you know,
so many great beat girls. Now you be okay, Yeah,
unless you're gonna lose some weight or whatever you be,

(42:51):
you can't. Yeah. But she and Mistress are like, I'm big,
look at the shape. I'm still exactly yeah, exactly, It's
still a shape of everybody. No matter how big you are,
you have some type of shape and if you put
a shaper on. You know, you can make that shape
so that when you put the clothes on, the clothes

(43:12):
fit properly. And that's what I'm learning about it. It's
like some people feel, no, no, no, you can add
a corset, you can add a shaper, and then when
you lay the right material over, va va va voom. Oh,
it's just gorgeous. And that's what you see here. This
is the perfect example. The hair was laid. She's not
afraid of the blonde, she's not afraid of put makeup

(43:33):
on her face. You know, she's got the heels. This
is perfect. It's this is drag. And when you set
this up against somebody like Marsha Marsha Marsha, it's kind
of like, Okay, if I was that, I'd like, it's
time to step my game up. Episode nine. All right,
So she did the hairball because she's a hairdresser. She

(43:53):
had a nineteen twenties look that was inspired by the hairball.
So she has this black and white or like fringe
that looks like hair as a skirt. She has a
black bodice that looks like it was made out of braids.
There are white braids in the middle. That are kind
of curly cue covering her boobies. And she had this
sidecape that was like a black and white zebra print,

(44:14):
and she had a black and white zebra wig. Beautiful, beautiful.
I wonder how long it took to make this because
this is just this is so creative and it was
so awesome and I'm just wondering how long did it
take because this is just this is just an awesome
look and it's different and it's edgy, and this is

(44:34):
what we're talking about. It's drag. How you're you know,
the hardest part of this game, season fifteen is how
do you make this new? She made her crystal dress
in a day. And this is again, this is a
pink gown. This like like a whisper of a pink
and she took the crystals. It's another form fitting gown,
absolutely beautiful, sleeveless. She took the crystals and she gave

(44:57):
herself a very high waist, like right under her boobs,
and then she adorned Your eyes went straight to her
de colotage, her very deep V neck dress, plunging V neck.
She put crystals all along the side and along her shoulders,
had a bright pink wig beautiful, just beautiful, absolutely beautiful.
The makeup, the lashes were like flying. I mean, it's

(45:21):
just like, this is what I'm talking about. This is
what drag is. This is you know, creativity. If you're
gonna do the run Way season fifteen, this is the
way you do with beautiful. Okay, I could see you
and just Lonnie, you ever myself too. This is gorgeous. Yeah, pink,
but I wouldn't wear pink. I'm not that ball yet.

(45:42):
This is gorgeous. I'm a big fan of hers. I'm
a big fan of her artistry and the way she
knows her body's and the colors. She knows her colors,
she knows you know, what looks good, she knows her lines.
It's just great. Up next, we have Lucy Leduca. Lucy
Leduca did three to Looks her first drag race look Again.

(46:02):
She came out in a pastel version of RuPaul's pink jumpsuit.
This was very glittery. She had a pink heart in
the middle. She had two different colored boots. This was
kind of a girly version of RuPaul's pit crew look.
She had a helmet with a gigantic, bulbous ponytail coming
out and two long, curly que pieces of hair coming

(46:25):
out from the bottom of the helmet. I thought this
was cute. Yeah, it was cute. It was almost kind
of like the Easter Buddy version of She said. It
was a crash chest dummy version of RuPaul's. Look. It
was cute and it was inventive, you know, yeah, I
mean it. Yeah. Lonnie wasn't that impressed. She liked it,
but she's not She's not losing her shit over this one.

(46:45):
The second was the bag one, the plastic bag thing,
and she used little doggie bags to create a crown
of doggie bags. And she had a white short dress,
kind of almost like a peasant blouse dress, and she
used the doggie bags as different colors on the skirt.
But the judges said this felt underdone or unfinished. And
I would have degree it just looked like a white

(47:07):
dress with like little colors on the bottom. Yeah. They
said that it was too simple, that's what the judges
SAIDs Yeah, too simple. Yeah. I mean if you say that,
you're a sower. Yeah, so yeah, you know, come up
with something and make it happen, girl, are you doing honest?
I'm a sower. I'm of this. Okay, yeah, now this
is my challenge. Blah blah blah for her, for her

(47:27):
Crystal look. I'm not meaning to dismiss her. I think
she's very talented. For her Crystal look. She came out
in a mermaid fishtail gown as a runner up, and
she had tears streaked down. She had a story, and
she said that she was a runner up who was
always coming in second place, and it was a very
clever idea. She did a Mermaid pageant gown, and Carson's

(47:50):
idea was that he wanted the mermaid tool, the kind
of trumpet that comes out of a Mermaid gown, to
be lower. And I kind of agree. Yeah, But I
appreciate her story. I appreciate the camp. I appreciate that
she sold and that she tried to tell stories. Like
all three of these yeah looks were about a story

(48:10):
and right, it was very creative and it was just
little minor details, like you know, the judges looked at
and they were like, well, and they're looking at everything.
They're looking at the hams, they're looking at the construction.
What I'm getting from Lucy every week is that she's
absolutely a great performer, and I would love to see
a Lucy Leduca show. Yeah, I'd show up for that party.

(48:32):
Next up, Sasha Colby, Okay, get ready. She turned a
bruise pink and white jumpsuit into a gown. She wore
a long pink gown with a mermaid trumpet bottom. She
had a bandeau top, white rally stripe going out across
her breasts, and she had pink sleeves, and she had
pageant hair. And this was my favorite of the evening.

(48:54):
This was like, it was unexpected. She did, you know,
everybody else swerved to the left. She swerved to the
right and was completely original. Did you like that? Well,
this is what I was saying. If you're gonna wear
a long skirt like with spiced it, you know, take
it all the way to the bottom, like what like
what a saua salsa sala? What salsa Kobe did? Take

(49:17):
it all the way, make it, you know, billow out
a little bit. It just looks different. And now it
doesn't look like you're getting it from forever twenty one.
This is something that looks couture, you know. And then
she's got this body, Oh my god, her body. Her
body's love her brazy. I love her body, and I

(49:37):
love her energy, and I love her story. She's the
one to watch. Her second look was the bag look,
and she came out as a dime bag that was her.
She came out of this too too, as a plastic
bag that had weed in it. She had a weed bodice.
And then she had a split on her head with
a red light in it that looked like it was

(49:58):
a fascinator but it looked like a joint that was
on fire. And she had a short green wig. She
was like marijuana Tinkerbell. I love this one. So creative, creative,
she's great. So for her crystal look, these were the
Christians that she grabbed the goals pystals. She made a
gigantic triangle armor piece for the front that covered her

(50:22):
breast and came down to a triangle at her navel,
and the rest of it was a new delusion gown
with slits up that showed her legs on both sides,
two different slits. And then she had these crystal kind
of twigs growing out of the side and she looked like,
she said, something emerging from the lava field in Hawaii,

(50:42):
and I get this beautiful. She was elegant and sexy. Yeah,
in every single look. Yeah. And like you said before,
this is when they were talking to her, RU was saying,
how proud she's made the House of Kobe just by
her representation, and yeah, I just have to agree. And
you know, and she even paid amage to them, saying

(51:03):
how much they saved her life. Yeah, her house did so. Yeah,
I mean so much of this show is about like
what happens when you were a bandoned, what happens when
your people let you go? Where do you go? And
for her to emerge as this, to pay amash to
her house, to pay amash to her culture, all of
that just absolutely beautiful. And I believe our last Queen

(51:26):
is a Nietzsche. The last one, Yes, coming out in
three different looks her starting your Angels look, another jumpsuit,
this time it was in bright neon green. She used
neon green and black as her jumpsuit. I love this.
She had black patent leather boots and she looked like
a drag queen astronaut. I love this. I thought looked
really really great. She looks great in it, very inventive.

(51:49):
I appreciated it. Right. Her next look that she did
the candy ball, and she had laughy taffy over her breasts.
She had a giant lollipop over her side. She had
ropes of candy over a nude bodice over a nude
illusion bodysuit, and as she had bright pink hair. She
had a long, long ponytail that she whipped around, and

(52:10):
she had a candy rapper kind of ornamentation on the side.
The judges said it felt underdone, and I kind of agree.
I wanted to see more candy. I want candy, I
want candy. I wanted more lollipops. I was like, Oh,
if we're gonna go for candy, which is so colorful
and bright to begin with, add more. But I like
what was there. She was showing her body, honey, she

(52:31):
had time follow it, so I think that's what it was.
But this last look of hers, my god, the last
look Lonnie. She did kind of a rose gold, almost
like a brown crystal mermaid dress. But it wasn't just
any mermaid dress. She took the crystals and she created
a spine in the back out of crystals. It looked
like alien like an anatomical representation of a spine, but

(52:56):
all in crystals, and not only she'd show it on
her back, she did it on her sleeves, on her shoulders.
This was amazing. Yeah, the judges said that she added
a McQueen type of design. Yeah, danger dat now. The
only problem they did have with the Nietsch was Michelle
was saying that she needs to watch her face. She

(53:16):
has resting bitch face. She's like, you know you're doing dragon,
You're walking the wrong way. You gotta look like you're
having fun, and you know, I know, like it looks
like you're about to kill somebody. I always, I always
have resting bitch face. Yeah, I always. I'm like, I
have to force myself a little bit the corners of

(53:39):
the mouth. Yeah, you gotta remember. You know when we
went to the every party together and you were holding
court in that booth, the way you look at everybody
was kind of like, okay, all right, But that resting
bitch face went away when you met people and said
hello and pose for Yeah, you have to remember, you know,
as a wrestling faces, you're just like, I gotta remember,

(54:03):
keep a little smile on your fast. The opposite of
that is Sasha Colby, who the minute she enters the runway.
She has passiont face and she is charming everybody you know.
This week we heard a lot of critiques from the judges,
and I want to say that I did get a
tweet from cornbreadh was on season fourteen, yes, and the

(54:25):
tweet basically she said, Cornbread for squirrel friends purposes. When
you actually judge, it's a lot longer. What you see
is an edited verse. That's true, but they are standing
there so long. The girls take off their shoes right,
and you really have to be real with them and things.

(54:46):
So basically Cornbread tweeted at me. Okay, so Cornbread said,
watching season fourteen finally, this was five days ago, so
she just now watching her season, which I can understand.
It's like sometimes it's really hard to watch and delay.
So she says, I'm on season fourteen, binge truth moment

(55:08):
being on the show, Lonnie Love words didn't sit well
with me, with stubborn me. But eventually I had to
sit back, humble myself and realize the words weren't just
criticism but actually valuable words to help me grow and
I'm super grateful. And she tweeted that out, and I
tweeted back to her that as a judge, I just

(55:30):
want you to excel, and that you did, and I
love you. What I was trying to remember the critique, basically,
it was something like, because she's a big girl, she
always thinks that she has to make food part of
the joke, but it was something about it was a
challenge where I think she maybe has some chicken or yeah, something,
it was like some food. And so I basically said,

(55:52):
you know, we know that you're funny and you don't
have to use props like that to be funny. You
have something deeper in you that you can use and
just be yourself. And it sounds like she felt busted
the first time you said that, and now she's kind
of seeing it exactly and you can tellbody to look
on her face and now she sees So it's like,

(56:13):
was she intimidating because she was a bigger girl? Did
you feel intimidated? Bigger I could take her, you know?
And I understand this whenever I critique about Wait, I
say I'm a big girl, So I know what you
know because that kind of validates know what I'm saying.
I'm a big girl. So I'm telling you because I

(56:34):
used to be like that. When I first started doing comedy,
you know, it was always the food jokes, the food jokes,
and it's okay, yeah, okay, but your whole act doesn't
have to be about oh, bitch, want to eat some
white bread, come on, give it to give it a break?
Is different, Yeah, you know what I mean. So I'm

(56:55):
just glad that you know, they're seeing that. And so
for this season, there's a lot of critiquing happening with
the judges, and they may seem a little harsh, but
they're trying to get them better. They're trying to elevate you.
And they've said on the show before. I remember Rue
saying to Laganga Estranja, it says like, we're here to
make take you to the next level. Right to the

(57:16):
next level. I mean, you've all been snatching dollar bills
and bars and stuff and working your clubs and doing
your club gigs. We want to take your drag to
the next level. So my favorite looks of the night were,
oh gosh, Sasha Koby, just I just I'm such a
big Sasha Koby stand right now. Who was your favorite?
Lux Noir was really good? Yea Lure and the challenge

(57:37):
winner was Sasha Koby. She wins with cash prize of
five thousand dollars. The bottom two was Selena and Spice.
Yes yes for their details. They said the Selena's stuff
didn't fitter very well and spice stuff look unfinished. Their
lip sync song was That's what I Want by Little
nas X, which I love. I got the feeling that

(57:58):
during the lip sync, Selena was doing the song for real,
kind of like kind of finding the emotion, kind of
like what Latrise Royale did with You Make Me feel
like a natural woman, kind of taking the song seriously,
and that's when drag becomes theater and transformative. Spice was
doing her cute TikTok spice stuff, but the judges decided
in experienced. She was an experience, you could tell, Yeah,

(58:20):
and the judges chose Selena. Yeah, so Spice went home.
Spice went home and her exit line was I may
not know how to lip sync, but I do know
how to trot. She trotted out. I got the also
the sense that Spice didn't know the lyrics. Yeah, well
as well, she didn't know the lyrics. She didn't know

(58:41):
what to do. I mean, she ended up trotting again,
like she she got so like in that she started
trotting at the end of the yeah, and I'm like, oh,
you've lost it. I think that's her security blanket, you know.
It's like, this is how I got five billion views
on TikTok, and this is the thing that we do
and so whatever. But this is what we've been saying

(59:05):
since the beginning that you know, experienced verse inexperience, you know,
or experienced verse popularity. Yeah, you can have five million followers,
but you know when you're put to the test, Yeah,
Selena said. You know, the song was about wanting to
be loved and it's I'm lonely and I need somebody
at the end of the day. And Selena took that

(59:26):
very seriously, put her emotion in her art and her vulnerability,
especially after showing her vulnerability in the workroom, and they
saw it and that's what they appreciated. We have to
take a little break, but up next is my interview
with this season's MVP, spelled j a X. I suppose
Jack's don't go anywhere, and we're back. Our guest today

(59:54):
not only jumped roped her hair for the talent show,
but she jumped right into all of our hearts I'm
so flipping exciting. She's here today. Please welcome the program. Jacks, Hello,
how are you? We're so beautiful me with my no eyebrows?
Thank you? They said, no eyebrows? Is this a new phenomenon?
The no eyebrows? Is that what the kids are doing

(01:00:14):
these days? You know, I had a moment a few
days ago where I couldn't find my glue and I
was just like, you want to what? I got an
hour to get to the show. Okay, Well, here's hoping
they grow back. I mean, it's a look, it's passion.
First things. First, How are you. I'm doing good. Yeah, yeah,
we're surviving. We're touring. We're very tired, but like I'm

(01:00:38):
very just happy just to be touring everywhere right now
and meeting all these people in like every corner of
the US. It's amazing. So you're on a tour right now? Yeah,
I mean since the show got announced, I've just been
non NonStop. I'm a hustler. I'm a New York City girl.
I'm used to working four or five nights a week,
so yeah, now I'm just doing that in different cities.
Oh my gosh, that's so exciting. So you're It's sounds

(01:01:00):
like since you've been on the show, the booking started immediately,
like people the phone started bringing or was that how
much of that is is you being on the show
and how much is that is you being enterprising? I
would say like a solid like a good fifty fifty
really like once the first episode came out and people
saw what I could do, yeah, just like okay, like

(01:01:20):
like let's get this girl here, say what you can
really do? So but also I'm thankful that like I
already had a bit of a record for myself and
what I can do and what I bring to a
stage that people were able to see yeah and start
balking me. So it sounds like you had an existing
reputation even before the show. Okay, so you're a Connecticut queen.
Did you know that there were going to be all
those Connecticut queens on the show? Did that come as

(01:01:42):
a surprise. I was raised in Connecticut, but I'm actually
I live in Queens. I live in oh Nice, Yeah,
I live in Queens, New York. So I'm really a
New York queen. But you know, I started playing around
with drag and makeup and stuff like that, and I
work at a Barn, Connecticut every once in a while, Right,
So I knew the other I knew Robin like very
well prior to the show. I'm always interested in your
drag origination story. So you're saying you're playing around roof

(01:02:05):
makeup and everything. First of all, fascinating with your career
as a cheerleader because I was a huge cheer fan
when that was on Netflix the first season. Oh my god,
So you know how to do all of that stuff?
Oh yeah absolutely. I was as a cheerleader for five years,
a competitive cheerleader, but before that, I was a junior
Olympic diver. So I've just been like in sports like
my entire li girl. Yeah, wow, it's been a journey

(01:02:29):
and somehow this all et a drag. Yeah, tell us
about that. Tell us about how all of that athleticism
kind of folded into this because I one thing that
was like you blew us away with was the combination
of things that you did in that first episode. How
it all came together? How did that all come together? Yeah?
You know, people typically they describe me as the acrobatics
and the theatrics of drag, like putting together because I

(01:02:53):
always like love gymnastics, I always want to be a gymnast,
but I only liked floor gymnastics, and I was, oh,
yeahad that male gymnast couldn't do it to music. And
so when I found Cheer and I realized, I'm like, oh,
you do this to music like, this is much fun?
And I started I love that something's missing here exactly.
And then all the voiceovers in the track were also
would be done by Alyssa Edwards and Chandela and so

(01:03:16):
like I would be like running through the floor like tumbling,
and all of a sudden it'd be like it's Alyssa
on the track, and I'm like, who the hell is Alyssa?
And so once I started doing my research, that got
me into drag, like gave me a little bit more
of that background. And once I got into college, I
went to the School Visual Art for Photography and Cinema
and I was studio portrait course where just for practicing
beauty lighting, I invite some drag queens in to practice

(01:03:38):
like shooting makeup. And then eventually in my self portrait course,
I was just like, you want know what I could
do this, Let's try this. So I started playing around
with that, doing a lot of self portrait in drag
with myself and my mom. Actually we worked on the serio.
I would do photo shoots as her daughter essentially, and
from there on I eventually started performing, like a year

(01:03:58):
or two after that, once I finally turned to one
one and was able to And yeah, from that point on,
it's just been go, go go, especially once you what
I'm hearing is it went from an art project a
photography project where you saw yourself in dragon Was it
in full guiche with hair and clothes? Okay, yeah, I
would like get fully ready in my parents house and

(01:04:19):
like be putting on my mom's clothes, like doing self
portraits with her, and like our backyard with our dogs,
just like trying to get the whole Gilmore Girls fantasy.
Oh I love it. I love it. It doesn't sound
like you know because you said you didn't when I
heard you say Alyssa Edwards name was on the track,
you didn't know anything about the show previously, or you
weren't watching. No, I didn't really start because when I

(01:04:40):
was cheering, I was in high school, so I wasn't
really like right well informed on Drag Race yet. But
a lot like ch Angela dtox Monee Alyssa. They all
do cheerleading voiceovers a lot, because you know, they're so
theatric and their voice is so energain. Okay, So a
lot of times I'd beat these competitions and I'm just
like who, Like who does this? Like who makes this?

(01:05:00):
And like cheerleading music is essentially gay rap. So I
figured out who they were that way. So did you
ever make it to the big Daytona thing like on
the series, the Big Finals? So that's actually for collegiate
cheer So I never. I did go the World Championships
every year that year? Nice? Nice? Okay, So tell us
about Okay, I'm hearing that your mother's supportive, and I

(01:05:22):
love that. I love that story. Tell me about like
your introduction to the New York drag scene. Do you
remember your very first performance, what you were wearing, and
where it was? Yeah, no, I do. My first drag
performance was at my now home bar icon in the story, yuh,
and it was it was a queen that I've been
falling for a while. Her name is Guilda Wabbit. She
lives in Kentucky now, but it was her last solo show,

(01:05:45):
guild A Wabb. I love that guild a wap. It
was her last solo show Icon before moving to Kentucky,
and so she offered the stage up. She was like,
we're gonna do an open stage for the whole night,
like if you just like want to come and like
do an were like, come on through, and I was like,
you wonder what, like let me finally go do this.
I was wearing this like sequin like clowny outfit that

(01:06:08):
I thrifted. Honestly it was it was still cute. Yeah,
I don't know where it was cute. And I did
like I wore this like weird like sixties like pink
wig that I thought looked good. It did not. And
I did a Noah Cyrus song of all things just
really random. But it felt really good to like do
my first number, like do my stunts and my tricks,

(01:06:29):
and then the audience just fully just be like where's
your next show? Like where can we see you? Where
can do this? I'm like, I don't my first time
on stage. Oh wow, star is born? Yeah, like people
like fully working queen for a while. So that felt
really cool. Oh I love that. So it's like a discovery.
Was that an exhilarating experience? For you to kind of
get that as big a response as that for your
very first time out. Oh, absolutely, Like I caught the bug.

(01:06:51):
I was just like, oh, I can make money doing this.
I like this. Yeah. Yeah, solidified as you're picking cabbage
and you go home with a big trash bag full
of money. So how long did it take for you
to kind of become like, I'm a New York queen
now and one of the girls. I feel like I'm established.
I got a foothold in New York drag scenes. I mean,
New York is weird because we have so many burroughs
and everything is so distinct Manhattan, you know, I'm like,

(01:07:14):
we have our set bars and our set girls that
you know, they've been there forever and they're going to
stay there. This is good info for our school friends
because they are not everybody lives in the city, so
to kind of hear the politics and the workings of
the city is so fascinating. Yeah. So in Manhattan, it's
more of the established bars that they have their girls.
They have their set shows that they do every week

(01:07:35):
with like one or two hosts working the night for
like a two hour long show where they just stand
there on stage and they do it. Go. Yeah, where
Brooklyn is a little bit more you know, like club oriented.
It's a lot younger and people like come in do
pop up numbers or like whatever the theme night is.
And since I lived in Queens, I had to kind
of like go to every single place and try to

(01:07:57):
make myself work in every scene. So it took a
little bit where like there'd be like a grouping of
people in Brooklyn that like really knew who I was,
but then people in Manhattan like wouldn't. Then I would
have to switch that and then start working there, and
then keep going back and forth until eventually, like you know,
like everybody knew who I was. Everybody knows. The word
spreads really quickly, Okay. Lonnie and I talked about the

(01:08:18):
runways a lot, and one of the things that we
were wondering about was what was the thinking behind the
tie dye look with the orange body suit. I was
going for Nickelodeon Slime. Okay, now see that makes perfect sense. Yeah,
I was going for Nickelodeon Slime. I thought that read
well personally, it wasn't Donald Trump inspired at all. Why

(01:08:42):
would I ever, Yeah, why would I ever? No? No, no no, no,
I was not trying to go bloom. I was going
for Nickelodeon slime. If I wanted to do it, you know,
I would have had to like shorten myself even like
down another peg, but it's Nickelodeon. Yeah. I loved hearing
about your adoption story because I'm an adoptive father. I

(01:09:05):
adopted a black kid, and we my husband and I
adopted our foster kid when he was five years old,
and he was from Compton and growing up, like I
feel like as a queer Asian person, as a queer
person of color, I know what it feels like to
be othered. I know what it feels like to be
the only Asian person in the room. I know what
I often feel like what it's to be the only

(01:09:27):
queer person in the room. So it was really important
for us to affirm our son's black identity by having
a lot of black aunties and uncles around, and we
would have this thing called black tivities where he would
spend the day with a black auntie or uncle and
do exclusively black stuff. Was there any part of your
upbringing that was like that? Not really, sadly, just because

(01:09:50):
you know where I was raised. It was just in
the story. There was just no other There was just
no other people of color really in my town. It
was it was really homogeneous. It was really homogenous. It
is me, my best friend Ford, and our other best friend, Tatiana.
We were the only three people of color that went
to high school actually lived in the town that through
like an inner city program to like go to our school.

(01:10:13):
So we were really really tight knit and we stuck together,
and that really helped us because we were going through
the same things. Sure, it's like finding the other queer
kids in school exactly. It's kind of like it's like
you're the three friends I have that I don't have
to code switch with that I can just be myself
one hundred. But it sounds like you found more of
your tribe in New York City. Yes, I also found

(01:10:36):
more of my tribe, primarily once I started cheer because
once I went to my first practice, like with my
cheer team, it was my first time you know, being
around like just like other just like gay men in
general that like like a little closeted fifteen sixteen year
old and like big tall, like game and come up
to me being like, so, what's your favorite song? What's this,
I'm just like, oh my god. So that really helped,

(01:10:58):
especially being around primarily like POC queer people. Right, So
did you feel like there was like a it sounds
like there was a mentorship there for you. Oh? Absolutely absolutely.
M I huge shout out to just my old chair
team with like my friends Dane Anthony Angel. They were
like a queer Latin X like aunties. Yeah, you know what.
I have that too. Growing up in San Francisco, I

(01:11:20):
had like queer older people who kind of walked me
through things. I worked in a gay restaurant when I
was fifteen years old and they kind of showed me
the ropes. And I'm wondering if that kind of mentorship
and that kind of like stewardship people taking you under
the wing, does that make you want to do the
same kind of pass it on a little bit. Yeah? No,
I yeah, It's like I'm not like I'm not trying
to be like a drag mom with like five kids,

(01:11:40):
but like, yeah, being able to help people out to
the best of my ability. I actually used to coach
and teach arts and crafts for special needs kids, and
so like, I always like love being in a space
where I can like teach people and help people out.
I love that. I love that. So we got to
wrap up pretty quil. I could talk to you forever,
because I want to know your whole story. I want
to get in your whole story. I want to know, like, like,

(01:12:02):
what's what's your best memory of doing the show? Of
being on season fifteen for you? What's your takeaway? I
mean honestly, like the first day, just like being there,
like doing the talent show that was like really just
like hitting it out of the park with that. Was
really happy getting that praise. But truly just like I know,
I once said that that's like the sisterhood. The sisterhood,

(01:12:22):
like like I have made so many like close friends
that I did not anticipate going into this, Like me
and Lucy Cally like FaceTime each other like every single
day to like check in to make sure that we're
doing okay. I love that. And that wasn't an existing
friendship beforehand. Hum No, not really. We like we knew
of each other, but we didn't like we weren't like
close close. Also, like me and Selena like knew each

(01:12:43):
other like through social media, but like being able to
like walk into that room and like see him be like, oh,
we're We're the same, we are the same. Try Oh
I love that. Yeah, we'll wait too. Good a drag
con and like see everybody all at once. A you're
going to be there, Yes, I will be Oh awesome,
Well I'll be there and I can't wait to meet
you in person. So you're on the tour, and so
what's next for you? Just the tour the existing tour? Well,

(01:13:06):
right now, I'm just you know, I'm traveling to every
every space I can, performing as much as possible, showing
in the world what I got. But um, like I
have a lot of things in store. Um. I typically
I call myself the Jacks of All Trades because like,
I just want to do everything. I want to teach
myself every Yeah, I don't like to settle, so you know,
I definitely want to go back into like doing some
event production, continuing performing and putting stuff on. And also,

(01:13:28):
you know, I still have my background in photo and
video and I've been working on a few photo books
that I really want to You are the Jacks of
all Trade? I really want? Yeah, that's that's I think.
I think Jacks of All Trades is a really good
slogan for you for your merch And another good merch
idea for you is you got to make those braid
jump ropes. I think that you'd sell a billion of those.

(01:13:50):
Well I just I just came out with, um, if
you go to the if you go to my merch link, Um,
I have a little enamel pins that are the jump
ropes coming out of my hair. Oh so good. Oh.
I was just about to ask you because as we're
wrapping up, where can folks find you on your social Oh? Yes,
because I think I'm shadow band, so it's a little
bit harder right now. Okay, you can find me on
all of my socials at get Jacks, that's get j

(01:14:12):
x D, except for Twitter, where you can find me
at that bitch Jacks at bitch Jacks. I love it. Well,
we wish you the best of luck. You're so talented,
and I know all the squirrel friends here we're all
expecting great things from you. Thank you. I appreciate that
so much. Okay, no worries, good luck, We'll talk to
you soon. Bye bye, awesome, thank you, and we're back.

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Lonnie boy. That was a lot. That was a lot,
but it's it's a ball and when you have a ball.
I love balls. I love this. I love balls. But
in relation to this challenge, I do love the ball challenge.
And if you love the ball challenge, remember to tip
your queen's show them love on socials. I mean, like
you said, Annie, they show their vulnerability, they share their

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journey every single week by the time they get on
the show. So show them love on their socials. Let's
let's change the culture of the RuPaul's Drag Race fandom.
Don't forget to tweet or d M must if you
have questions or hot takes for the queens at Alec
Mapa on I AM and at comic Lonnie Love on
Instagram and at Monnie Love on Twitter. I'm still I'm

(01:15:24):
trying to hang in there. I'm still on Twitter. I
just you know what. Robin Fierce left me a message
on my DMS at Instagram. She goes, why aren't you
on Twitter? And I said, because it's it depresses me.
So we'll see if elon Musk leaves and it becomes
nicer on Twitter. Judos, butup people owns that. I don't
think you've heard my thoughts on this. You can listen

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