March 17, 2025 • 32 mins
This episode has you blushing one moment, and on the brink of tears the next!
Billy and Amanda are really packing on the PDA, but is it affection overload?
Alison's goodbye to Billy is a total tearjerker, did Courtney draw from her real-life relationship for that scene?Plus, a meet-the-parents moment that just felt weird, and we pose the age old question...When is it too soon to say 'I Love You.'
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney Thorn Smith.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
And Daphne's Aniga an iHeartRadio podcast. Hello friend, how you guys?
I know?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Are you good as you know?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Because you can see I have a different background behind
me with a lot of accolades. I might say this
is my uh my half brother's mom and her husband's
basement and office and baby rooms, so they kind of
I could have this for my podcast needs. There's a
baby bassinette and all kinds of other stuff over there,
which I'm much. It's all pink and soft. Yeah, it's
(00:44):
a girl. She's adorable.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
And who's a girl, Daphney? Do you want to tell
us who's my niece? Yay?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Well could you say? Your name's Zoe?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Daphne's an auntie.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I'm exciting Auntie Zoe. Yeah, it's uh And so a
lot of family and friends are coming by. We're up
in San Francisco where they live where I was born,
oh a few years ago. Yeah, remember last episode. I
think Chuck was there and he's like, we would be
writing and going, oh that's a Melrose moment.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
This episode should be called Poor Allison, Bye Bye Billy
slash Poor Alison.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, yeah, okay, so bye bye, Billy it we'll do
a brief recap here. We open up on Marina del Rey,
which is our marina in La and it's on some
sail boats and beautiful water, and the camera pans up
this very fancy for nineteen ninety two, very modern high rise,
(01:42):
and then we cut inside and we have we see
these close ups of coffee being poured, toast being buttered,
flour putting in a vase, the paper being folded and
put it on a tray. So we don't know who
it is. But then we pull out and hands are
walking this tray and it's a who walks into or
(02:02):
opens her bedroom door and there is a naked Billy
in her bed. So they had a lovely evening and
she's just like adding tulips to coffee and toast and
she's in heaven. And so there they are getting frisky
again and she gets a call and it's her dad,
and her dad said he's coming to town. So she goes, oh, good,
(02:23):
this is a good chance for my dad to meet Billy,
my new boyfriend. But Billy says, well, no, I have
a plan to see a play with Alison. And she's
like oh, come on, nuzzles his neck, talks her out
of it, talks him out of to his previous commitment. Alison,
she is mugged when she's walking to her car at
(02:44):
night after the play. And a little aside behind the scenes,
that head the head thug guy who grabbed you and
pushes you against the fence. That's Lee Ehrenberg, who I
went to UCLA with and who's like the sweetest guy
ever meet, sweetest man. You remember, I do?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
I remember?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yes, he's the sweetest man, Lee Arenberg. He's done a
lot of work and he usually plays those kind of
characters because he has that kind of like menacing look,
but he's like a big teddy bear anyway. So that's
a very traumatic situation for Allison, and she continues to
have flashbacks and fear throughout the rest of the episode.
And it's Keith who is kind of there for her,
(03:23):
and Billy's not so much there for her. So you see,
with Keith in the picture and with this need that
she has, we see Billy kind of like, well, I
guess he has her. So he goes moves towards Amanda,
and then Allison sees that you know, well, he's at
Amanda's all the time, says to Keith, why don't you
(03:45):
want to move into my place? I don't want to
be alone. So she's very fragile now after this experience,
and she says, Billy's never there, so why don't you
move into the apartment and he says, well, of course,
he says, i'd look to. Simultaneously, we have Joe and
Jake are trying to navigate. He has the motorcycle shop now,
and she's trying to figure out how she can be
(04:06):
a partner not step on his toes, and we'll see
that kind of comes to a nice compromise at the end.
But she also tries to help her friend who's been
traumatized by this robbery and does it her way and
takes her to a shooting range and Alison will have
none of it, is freaked out by the guns, and
(04:27):
Joe's kind of gearly getting into it that Allison's like,
I'll be waiting in the car. I can't do this
gun thing. So that didn't work, and then Joe tells
Jake later that she has a gun and he's like,
you need to get rid of it. She will, And
then we also have Rnda and Terrence, and Terrence wants
to decorate this big mansion that he bought and it's like, oh,
you have to go meet the decorator that I hired.
(04:48):
And she's like okay, and she goes over to his
new mansion and it's none other than her old roommate,
Carrie aka Raydon Tong. He plays her again.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
That was fun.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, c D crazy roommate and they have a whole
jealousy triangle that they'll have to work out. So this
really is about navigating the different pairings and of course
at the end everybody. We have the saddest scene in
cinematic history when Belly finds out that Keith has moved in.
So he figures, well, my time is here.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Second only to Casablanca, but serious second only.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Maybe yeah, maybe it was close, though it was close.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I don't know. If we're in the oscars, I don't know.
I think BILLI and Allison scene may have won, just.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Got nominated for very few oscars. I think we do
need to point there's a.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Couple of reasons for that. We can get into that
in a minute.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Well, now that we're streaming on Paramount Plus, we probably
would be eligible anyway. Uh, but yeah, that's a sad,
sad scene. So get your Kleenex and box of wine people,
because you're gonna need it.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Bye Bye Billy, Bye Bye Billy.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
And so that's that's where we end the episode. And
I like we said, let's jump in.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
What a great summary Daphne.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Nice and brief, but really well done, so everyone should
watch it. I just want to reminder.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I think I think the main point that we'd all
like to agree on is there was way too much
making out with Billy and Amanda. I think the main
point we want to make enough of that, am I right?
Enough of that right now?
Speaker 4 (06:22):
I will say there there was less of it than
the last episode, which is much more of this.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Well I noticed the nuzzling, Yes, yeah, because it really
is slightly less pain for me, your only marker of success,
slightly less pain for me.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
I'm just trying to break it to you that, yes,
there was the making out, but to be honest, it
was less than last episode. I'm still very sad for Alison,
because you know much I'm rooting for Alison, and I
am such a spectator in this in these episodes, like
when you say, Daphne that we hope people are watching
(07:00):
these old shows. It is so fun for me to
go back that I'm watching a show I never saw, right,
and so I'm truly an audience member in these first
in this first season, and so I'm getting invested in
these characters. And of course I'm rooting for my friends
Courtney and Daphney, but I'm really rooting for Alison during
(07:22):
this stretch of time where I.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Mean funny also watching that scene court you and I
was thinking, Wow, I'm really feeling like like I feel
so sad and that, and I was like, oh, they're
dating these she's they're using, they're using emotional connection and
probably and imagining like never saying like saying goodbye, like Billy,
You guys are both so good. Andrew was really good too.
(07:44):
I really felt it.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
What a weird reality I was watching the What a
weird reality. We probably drove to work together. Then he
goes and makes that with Heather and I go mack.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Out with and then we.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Get back in the car, drive home, hopefully make out
with each other. Maybe we're just tired at that point.
And they were like, I've had about it.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
You could reality that you can truly see in this
episode that Alison, the character is annoyed by Keith and
not really very warm and fuzzy. She's like talking herself,
and this is what I'm watching, and I'm the audience member,
so I'm like, this is just what I observe.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
I see Alison not very.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Interested in Keith, and she's settling and she's just okay.
And then somehow he manages to like come be the
hero when she's in a dark and scary time in
her life and he happens to be there, and she's
just grateful for that presence, but it's.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Not really she doesn't really like him.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
This is what I see.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
And yet when.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
She's with Billy, it's just warm and fuzzy and perfect
and you know, like there's chemistry and you like each
other and both and it's so sad to see the
relationship that they're not choosing to have be the one
that's so obviously better on screen.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yeah, it's the first scene with Keith and Allison when
I'm so far over to the side of the car,
I'm almost hanging out.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I look about to jump back. Is my car sick?
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Like I literally look sick and so close and I'm like,
but am I really so close.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Like I was a good four feet away in a
car and you were.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
The notes I made on that scene were that he
was harassing you for like and mocking you and teasing
you and being starcastic like, oh, we're just but buddies,
We're just pals, you know, and really, and I thought
that was so annoying, like mocking you and being sarcastic
because you want to go slowly and you're like, do
you not remember I don't trust you, because like he
(09:42):
never told you he was married before, but remember she
delivered okay, well do you what do you need the papers?
I'm divorced. I just thought he was yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Well I think Allison was too, because all those lines
that she delivered in that scene were so were that
same level of annoyance.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Like yeah, he was like literally it did feel like
it was going like this, and then this trauma happens
to Alison, and so then he's there to save her.
Doesn't it there for her? Over and over?
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Doesn't it make you sort of wonder like did Keith
somehow orches straight all this to su I mean, there's
no spoilers here because I don't know where this is going.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
This is just.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Because he does loan her his car car. She says
she needs to feel like it's not that I really care.
I just my car's in the shop. Like I don't
care that you're not going to play with me my cars.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Right, I'm fine going alone. So he knows she's going alone.
He's she's in the borrowed car and you know, going
to the theater district and and all this stuff, and
like just conveniently he's there when she's going down into
the scary laundry room too, like when she thought the
lights burned out? Is that so is that just a coincidence?
(10:53):
Or to watch this is my this is my weariness
level of Keith. I don't trust him at all. I
don't like him at all. And Chuck said very clearly
they needed a villain, they needed a conflict, and like villain.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Is Keith villain? Definitely?
Speaker 4 (11:14):
I see him as villain, even though you know they're
painting it like, oh, this is a relationship for Alison
as an audience member.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Well, I'm taking it very personally. How on Alison's side
you both are? It really feels like that great conversation,
like he's the worst, you're the best. So we really
appreciate it as a I really appreciate the conversation.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
But you guys, the writers aren't dumb what you're feeling, Laura,
as an audience member, as you say, I am two,
we're all feeling it. I think they you know, they
have specific lines and they're writing it in there. It's
in there.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
So we got to see why well be revealed. You
sound like you know where it's going. I don't, and
so I'm super excited. I find out this is just what.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I thought I knew.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
But I forgot this. So Alison goes to play gets mugged.
That scene was terrifying. I completely forgot it. I sort
of remembered it after, but like hanging on the fence
and crying like I didn't remember that at all.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
You know, they grab her, they grab her purse and
take the key and.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
And then he takes you by that back of your
head and over to the.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Yes, shoves your face into the fence. It's it's terrifying,
totally trauma.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Makes me wonder if Keith set it up, because you're
absolutely right, He's there for every moment, and it felt
like the Lee Ehrenberg character made it extra scary for
you to make a bully, and I do remember that.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
And it's funny because I just saw Lee rewatching Seinfeld
for the thousands time and he has, remember, has that
fight with Kramer over the parking space. So if people
don't remember who he is, the guy who's arguing with
Kramer over the parking space.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
He was amazing in that too.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
But I do remember how incredibly sweet he was, which
is great because it was really scary. But so often
don't you find those guys who played that have guys
are the sweetest guys?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, yeah, the sweeting you in between. Yes, you have
to practice, you know, you have to go over the
blocking and stuff.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
But I was surprised, like she couldn't get her key.
I just assumed watching it that she would get her
key in time and go in the car. I was
just as shocked as you or Laura having seen her
for the first time when she got grabbed and really scary.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
And it was shot in that way that's really startling
and frightening, like that tone in Melrose's place. We're going
to see it in subsequent seasons, like it's going to
come up a lot. I think a lot of you know, traumatizing,
scary stuff happens, especially to the women, as we know.
But I think this is kind of you know, although
Billy was he had his car, you know, beating attack
(13:41):
thingy too. This is a really scary, like the music
is scary. It continues through the episode with the laundry
room and she's going down and she's really fearful, and
just the tone of everything about the show, with the
music and.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Also the camera shots. I mean, no, forget that's Victoria Hope.
She's so good at bringing out the emotion. And I
think she uses like steady cam or handheld a lot,
so that when you use steadycam or handheld, it's not
like locked off on a tripod. You feel vulnerable because
it's moving with you. There's no That's what I felt
in that scene. And also down in the laundry room,
(14:17):
there's movement to it, so there's this like creeping feeling
as well.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
And also it's always scary to go down into a
dark laundry room, right like go down into your basement,
go down into a dark laundry room.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
But didn't you think so?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
So Alison goes down into the dark laundry room. The
lights are out, she hears a noise. Keith comes down,
of course her savior. She says, I'm so scared. I'm
so scared, And I literally said, what about your laundry?
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Like, didn't we start to You're going to help you
with your laundry, right, I can't I just.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Abandons the load of laundry.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Well, I'm thinking, yeah, you're traumatized, and why would you
go down in that moment. I'm trying to imagine it
will maybe if I go down in the launderroom and
I'll feel better if I do my laundry right now.
Well that'd be like in bed.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Yeah, I would say forget it. I can do laundry
tomorrow on the light day. But she must have clearly
known there's like another light switch at the bottom of
the stairs, very conveniently, so I'll just like bravely venture
down and hit this southern light switch.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, she's trying to be brave. There's a line like
later on which just got me. It made me laugh.
Start when when Keith says, and I wrote here, Keith
is very sweet and thoughtful post mugging. I'm almost rooting
for him, like he's saying all the right things.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
He actually said.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Don't worry about being strong, being brave. Let me be
all those things for you, at least for tonight. Then
I kind of wanted to hit him because I was like,
that's really taking advantage of Alison's vulnerability, yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Trying to pat himself on the back. I will shoulder
this all for you.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
But he did say the right things right like he
said it was so scary, don't worry about the car.
Like he really did say all the right things. So
I understood.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Why.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Oh, and how about that scene when so it's post mugging,
it's the next morning and Alison and Keith are holding
hands in the doorway and Billy comes in and he
has no id to what happened. He's just coming and
apologizing for the play, and he says, how is the play?
And Allison goes, I don't remember. It all kind of
slipped my mind once I got carjacked, and I was like, oh,
(16:13):
she's a master of passive aggression. And then and then
she walks up and she and he goes, I didn't hear.
She goes, I tried to reach you, and plays the
message and she's sobbing and saying, basically, I've just been
attacked and enjoyed there for me.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
She says, listen to it for yourself, and she leaves
with Keith and he's living listening. Poor Billy's by himself,
hearing you don't traumatize. Yes, He's like, what did I do? Yeah? Yeah, yeah?
Speaker 4 (16:44):
And then you know, alongside this, Billy's navigating his thing
with Amanda, Who's who's really catching on that he's preoccupied
with his feelings about Alison and stuff. And she's going,
you know, you don't seem like somebody who just thinks
of her as a friend. You seem to be thinking
of her an awful lot, you know, this guilt over
(17:06):
her not being there for her.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
And how about that shot when when they're in the
sculpture garden, which sculpture garden that's kind of cool from
place is that?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
And I come in and it's this naked.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Torso of this woman in bronze and we're driving in
and she's talking, we're driving in. The shot is coming
in and you see them coming up in the background.
And did you notice in this scene she says someone
who loves you?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Do we know that they love each other? Have they
said the L word yet?
Speaker 4 (17:33):
That came out and even Billy didn't say anything about it,
and we're going, excuse me, is that is that a
thing we.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Missast moving fast?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Yeah, I know that was the elder.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
And even and before that when he meets the dad,
what about that scene that was hilarious, Like Amanda's father
is teaching Billy the things about whiskey scotch, whiskey scotch, and.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
He's like, well, I drink beer and I'm a camp driver.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
And I'm like wrong. Thing he wasn't.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
He wasn't trying very hard to make a good impression.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I don't think he knew how to be honest. Yeah,
he was like, well i'd drive out, well, I like beer.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I thought he was being so sweet, like he wasn't
putting on airs.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
I just think it was he like didn't care to
impress him. He was like not going to.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Try, well that was that would be dumb. I think
so too dumb.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
I think so true.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Like Amanda, You've just said, You're like it's like dumb,
like do something. Isn't he smarter?
Speaker 4 (18:36):
But like, I don't know, just he was a little
bit like almost defiantly sort of challenging Amanda's dad and
I don't like I don't like Scotch.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
I'm a beer drinker.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Like that is kind of dumb if you're gonna try
to make a good impression. So I conclude, well, then
he just wasn't trying, because.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
So I'm going to bring this back to me again.
I just realized. Yesterday after saying hi to the baby,
David and I went to One A Vista, which is
a famous Irish pub here in San Francisco next to
Giadelli Square. It's where Herbcane went all these writers. And
I had an Irish coffee Irish whiskey, and David had
(19:15):
a Guinness so beer drinker Irish And then I looked
the clock. It was like eleven am.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
He'd probably been up for hours.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
We've been up for hours watching over the baby. It's
so exhausted. It's five o'clock summer. He goes so meanly.
Her dad goes to her asa as an aside in
the kitchen and says, like, we'll see how long this lies.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Yeah, he's not for you. Wayne Tippit is the actor
who plays Amanda's dad. He's so great and yeah he's.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Great another millions and everything.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Yeah, he's just he was perfect but it.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Does feel early, like I know we snuck in that
Amanda loves Billy, but it does feel early for him
to meet her dad right, like, So it's all happening
very very fast, that that real ship is taking off.
Billy and Alison and Keith are moving quickly because of
her trauma.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
And by the end of the episode, she's going to
suggest he moves in. Yeah, it's moving fast. Yes, you know,
we don't talk about the L word, but we're also
moving in together super fast.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Well I feel like, yeah, I don't know, And it
feels doesn't it feel like driven by Amanda this close
close close? Doesn't it feel like she's like I want
him and doesn't feel like it's so pushed and initiated
by Billy. Yeah, it feels like, yes, okay, Well she's gorgeous. Yes,
I dig this, and my roommate slash woman that I
(20:41):
really love is you know, back in Keith's life.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
So also, she's so seductive, like you said, Daphnie started
off with her making a breakfast in bed. She's so
gorgeous obviously, and she's more sure than it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Look it like.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Remember you know, Heather said she felt old coming on
the show. She doesn't look any older than anybody else,
but she definitely is more sophisticated. He looks like an
axe like boy next to her, so I think he
just sort of is letting her lead the way. Who
wouldn't like on who could say no to her. I'll
be like, so beautiful, I'll do this.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Sure he's not. You're right, she is in spite of
how he was.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
But she was driving that and saying all right, we're
in this, I love you and you.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Should move in, and you know that was What do
you think is the competition for her? Like how much
of it is stealing Billy from Allison?
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Or am I sort of looking into the future. But
I think you're looking like you're projecting. Yeah, I think you,
Allison are projecting.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Your lines are really blurred for someone Alison does it
like Andrew Billy, Amanda, Heather Courtney, Elison.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Courtney's really offended by this whole thing.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
For Alison, I do think there's touches of that those
Melrose moments where she's like, well, you know, kind of
gives them ultimatums and nuzzles Isna and like, you know,
I'll take you away from her. But I don't think
it's fully that. I think she really digs them from
the very first episode, way back on what twenty one twelve.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Well, they had more of this, like this scene and
you pointed out, Daphne, I'm still mad at you for
it when they're ice skating and it's so sweet and
you're kind of rooting for them, Still mad at you
for it. But in this one, they're walking down, you're
getting a hot dog and a dirty dog.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
A dirty dog.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Heah, there's dirty others in her, like really fitted sexy plaid.
So here's the dichotomy, a clothing dichotomy.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
She's got this.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Sexy red plaid suit with a half jacket and a
tight skirt, and I've got this huge plaid jacket. I
remember that jacket though, and I remember thinking it was
so cool because had huge shoulder pads that sort of
hung halfway down my arm.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, but it was like an ll bean or whatever
you like, you know what.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I think it was now that we're talking about it.
And I literally had a vague memory of this. It
was because I was so scared. Yeah, I think I
kept that jacket.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
You're still wearing it, come on now. It was a
scene daft.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
You know, this was a scene between you and me
when I'm folding sheets.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
I thought the same thing, like did she just come
over and like you happen to be folding laundry at
the times they're like, hey, help me fold this laundry
and let's chat.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
But doesn't it look like I'm folding up like a
bed that had been on the couch.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
It was very confusing to me.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
It was like you folded or you were just folding
the laundry in the living And.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I just remember things we've said this before early on
in our podcast, like well, what can she be doing?
Or you're saying we walk on set, you know, with
your tea or your water going, well, what am I doing?
Expecting somebody there? So they're like well, and then they're like, well,
we got to do it over here. Well let's do
she's folding laundry. And I don't even know if they
tied it into the laundry scene earlier episode No, right.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Yeah, maybe or maybe that's what it was and we
didn't get it.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Oh she didn't get it.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
But I'm really glowing and talking about because I had
spent the night with Keith who now and it's so
funny because watching it, I didn't at all get what
you guys were talking about about him taking advantage of.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Her in her moment of need. Now I'm furious.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I'm furious now what happened. I'm so angry that he
took advantage of her because he did. It was right
after that I'll be brave for you that they fell
into bed, and then she's all perky and saying, we
had it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Actually it was amazing. Yeah, And I'm like, well, I'll
take care of that. I'm taking you to the shooting range.
You know, we're going to go shoot my SIGs hour.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
I also thought it was sort of funny, like Joe
was being like, oh, I know how that feels. That's
happened to me, Like, oh, yeah, it happened to me
in New York.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
I just, you know, have an evil access in New York.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
She did say that, you're right, I've been mugged. Yeah,
I got this.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Oh well, yeah, I have an idea. Come on, I
know you're scared to go out of the house right
now and you're not going to work, but come on,
let's go.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Let's leave the house.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah, And didn't you think it was interesting that Jake
was so anti gun. So Jake finds out that Joe
has a gun at home and he does this, He
just rails on it, talking about his friends who had
guns and.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
They ended up shooting each other.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I thought that was a nice anti gun message in
the middle of Melrose Place.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Yeah, it was a very like, very clear conversation between
the two characters. That whole scene with Jake.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
And Joe is so sweet because their storyline like refers
to the previous episode where Joe had sort of he
had said to her, you are silent partner, right, and
so all throughout this one when they're having this thread
continue where he's saying, this is my business, you're the
silent partner.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Stopped telling me.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
What to do, and by the end he is She
gives the hey, I'm done with the gun, and he gives, hey,
I'm giving you the books, and like they like both.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Share this do the money part yeah for each other.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
And it's such a sweet scene with the with the
gift that Daphne or not that Daphne that Joe brings
for Ja very blurry.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
The gift that Joe, You're so confused.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
It's just because we're middle aged brain now.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
But Dap, who is the transper guy we saw at
the window. He used to go on those magical motorcycle
rides with all of you guys.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yeah, that's what he was the best I am. Yeah
he was a few times. Yeah, Yeah. I liked how
in the beginning when Joe brings up, you know, I
noticed your business and I'm the silent. You just want
my money and I'm your investor. So she's trying to
figure out but she has ideas and stuff, and he's
so testy, what do you mean you don't think I
(26:31):
can do the money myself. Let's just say it. You
don't think I can run this business by myself. And
then by the end they both give in. She's very
testy when she's defending having a gun and he's like,
you got to get rid of that. I you know,
my friend died in my arms with the gun that
he had, so anyway, it was very I like at
the end they both compromised. The only way you can
(26:51):
move to the middle, and they did with that wonderfully
melrose Place moment of the neon sign that she brings
to him that says Jake's place, and they do that
silhouetted kiss in front of it, and it says Jake's place,
and it's just this beautiful Okay, for now they're coming together.
It's a good game.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
You finally gissed. You guys did a lot less making
out in this story. Yeah, so we haven't talked yet
about Karen's and Rondo, which is great for comic relief.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
That whole storyline. When I saw ray dun Chong's name
in the credit, so I was like, oh, and I
totally understood when Ronda's character says, wait, you haven't told
me what your decorator's name was that you want me
to meet with, and then you're.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Like, I can tell you.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
And it was such a good balance right to these
sort of heavy storylines, especially the poor Alison storyline, So
they're so light and funny, and raydon Chong is so
hilarious and Vanessa does such a great job playing along
with it. Meanwhile, we've got the storyline with Keith and
Allison and Billy where Alison finally asked Keith to move
(27:55):
in and then Billy decides to move in with Amanda. Yeah,
and then we have that sad scene at the end.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
That lasted forever and it was so sad.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Just on Alison being sad, and then she wait a minute, Billy,
and then she goes, do you want your coffee maker?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
And we're like, no, Oh. It wasn't just sad because
of the writing. It was as sad because of the shots,
because she kept turning around and doing close ups on
you and Courtney, you were so real and so just there.
And I just saw she's using, that's really my boyfriend
and I'm never going to see him again. You were
just like and tears were coming in him and then
(28:36):
they cut to him and little Andrew slash Billy was
just like, oh, I don't need the coffee maker. Amanda
has a big german one gives you everything. Oh.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
And then he says, right before this last scene, she's like, wait,
where are you going? And he goes, it's not as
if we thought we were going to spend the rest
of our lives together.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
And I was like, but we did. We did. It's
like and then he also does I think, didn't he say, Corney, Well,
we probably did the best. We like, No, you haven't
even comes the best.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
You can you more, I haven't even kissed you more
busy kissing these other people that we want you to
stop kissing right now.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
You guys were both so good in that scene.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
And it traveled from the bedroom out into the living
room as he goes and he ends up going out
the door, but like every back and forth shot and
the music cues underneath, it was just this gentle piano.
It was like very unique and very like pure lump
in your throat watching scene.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
I mean, and that hugo he goes to the door,
you guys have even hugged and then they cut to
you and you're going bye, and he's like.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
He decides to give me hugs and you're like, I know,
he gives me a kiss on the cheek and like
it's almost a kiss. I thought at first when he
leaned in, I thought he's gonna kiss her me and
then this is what life is bloring again, And then
he didn't. It was a kiss on the cheek and
a hug, and it's like, oh.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
And all we the audience are going, oh, she's left
there with what's his name exactly? Yeah, it was wanting
to seattle the very end. He's like, come on, at
least look at the you know, check out the things
of pamphlets. And please just consider it, and.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
You thought about it till right now. But all through
it she's saying, I don't know if I'm brave enough
to live and work in la anymore. So that's also
working with him saying you want to go to Seattle.
So there's a very good chance.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
And she's got her gonna move walking out the door.
She no longer has a roommate, so yeah, I don't
pay through the end, John, it's a good option to
come in and be her roommate.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
This should have been the cliffhanger. And you know what,
episode twenty four was probably supposed to be the last episode,
but then they kept asking episod ten.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
You're obsessed with how bad the ratings were, and she
thinks every episode we were off air, so this was
probably it.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Well, but twenty four would have been. We did twenty
two then, so twenty four would have been a lot.
So my guess is this was where they were. This
was probably going to be the cliffhanger, but then they
kept adding because the ratings were getting higher and higher.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Maybe well a lot happened in this one, for sure.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
We've got Bill out into Amanda's apartment, Allison's on the
verge of considering if she's going to leave for Seattle.
We didn't see Michael and Jane at all. We saw
Matt for a beat as he's giving advice to Ronda.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
And there and he was also cleaning the pool.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
And Matt was cleaning the boot was mad that mad.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
I don't think that was Matt. I think that was
unnamed pool cleaner guy.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
I think pulled around and seen.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Yeah, they would like he was being paid for the episodes.
They might as well have used his face.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
He was actually cleaning the pool. TV money clean the pool.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
He was just there at work a scene in a
pool duty for you, Doug. You know I'm not doing
anything else right now?
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Can I clean the poole?
Speaker 4 (31:54):
You?
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I can fold your footage.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I'm here all day, my trailer.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
No, I know we have to end. But one quick question,
Laura U. Did you and Doug ever have a scene
together where you're just ever on the show where you're
just talking to each other?
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yes, we have some sids later.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Okay, oh good, I'm exciting.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
I don't know episode I couldn't imagine how Sydney and
Doug would have a conversation there.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
There are some scenes with Sydney and Matt group scenes.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
We're all in group seas together. Something happened somewhere along
the line. Totally all right, I gotta go see the baby, all.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Right, have fun, guys, Thanks for tuning into our episode.
Is still the place to see on a Melrose minute
and say on the next episode.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Bye guys, Bye everyone,
Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney Thorn Smith.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
And Daphne's Aniga an iHeartRadio podcast. Hello friend, how you guys?
I know?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Are you good as you know?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Because you can see I have a different background behind
me with a lot of accolades. I might say this
is my uh my half brother's mom and her husband's
basement and office and baby rooms, so they kind of
I could have this for my podcast needs. There's a
baby bassinette and all kinds of other stuff over there,
which I'm much. It's all pink and soft. Yeah, it's
(00:44):
a girl. She's adorable.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
And who's a girl, Daphney? Do you want to tell
us who's my niece? Yay?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Well could you say? Your name's Zoe?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Daphne's an auntie.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I'm exciting Auntie Zoe. Yeah, it's uh And so a
lot of family and friends are coming by. We're up
in San Francisco where they live where I was born,
oh a few years ago. Yeah, remember last episode. I
think Chuck was there and he's like, we would be
writing and going, oh that's a Melrose moment.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
This episode should be called Poor Allison, Bye Bye Billy
slash Poor Alison.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, yeah, okay, so bye bye, Billy it we'll do
a brief recap here. We open up on Marina del Rey,
which is our marina in La and it's on some
sail boats and beautiful water, and the camera pans up
this very fancy for nineteen ninety two, very modern high rise,
(01:42):
and then we cut inside and we have we see
these close ups of coffee being poured, toast being buttered,
flour putting in a vase, the paper being folded and
put it on a tray. So we don't know who
it is. But then we pull out and hands are
walking this tray and it's a who walks into or
(02:02):
opens her bedroom door and there is a naked Billy
in her bed. So they had a lovely evening and
she's just like adding tulips to coffee and toast and
she's in heaven. And so there they are getting frisky
again and she gets a call and it's her dad,
and her dad said he's coming to town. So she goes, oh, good,
(02:23):
this is a good chance for my dad to meet Billy,
my new boyfriend. But Billy says, well, no, I have
a plan to see a play with Alison. And she's
like oh, come on, nuzzles his neck, talks her out
of it, talks him out of to his previous commitment. Alison,
she is mugged when she's walking to her car at
(02:44):
night after the play. And a little aside behind the scenes,
that head the head thug guy who grabbed you and
pushes you against the fence. That's Lee Ehrenberg, who I
went to UCLA with and who's like the sweetest guy
ever meet, sweetest man. You remember, I do?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
I remember?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yes, he's the sweetest man, Lee Arenberg. He's done a
lot of work and he usually plays those kind of
characters because he has that kind of like menacing look,
but he's like a big teddy bear anyway. So that's
a very traumatic situation for Allison, and she continues to
have flashbacks and fear throughout the rest of the episode.
And it's Keith who is kind of there for her,
(03:23):
and Billy's not so much there for her. So you see,
with Keith in the picture and with this need that
she has, we see Billy kind of like, well, I
guess he has her. So he goes moves towards Amanda,
and then Allison sees that you know, well, he's at
Amanda's all the time, says to Keith, why don't you
(03:45):
want to move into my place? I don't want to
be alone. So she's very fragile now after this experience,
and she says, Billy's never there, so why don't you
move into the apartment and he says, well, of course,
he says, i'd look to. Simultaneously, we have Joe and
Jake are trying to navigate. He has the motorcycle shop now,
and she's trying to figure out how she can be
(04:06):
a partner not step on his toes, and we'll see
that kind of comes to a nice compromise at the end.
But she also tries to help her friend who's been
traumatized by this robbery and does it her way and
takes her to a shooting range and Alison will have
none of it, is freaked out by the guns, and
(04:27):
Joe's kind of gearly getting into it that Allison's like,
I'll be waiting in the car. I can't do this
gun thing. So that didn't work, and then Joe tells
Jake later that she has a gun and he's like,
you need to get rid of it. She will, And
then we also have Rnda and Terrence, and Terrence wants
to decorate this big mansion that he bought and it's like, oh,
you have to go meet the decorator that I hired.
(04:48):
And she's like okay, and she goes over to his
new mansion and it's none other than her old roommate,
Carrie aka Raydon Tong. He plays her again.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
That was fun.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, c D crazy roommate and they have a whole
jealousy triangle that they'll have to work out. So this
really is about navigating the different pairings and of course
at the end everybody. We have the saddest scene in
cinematic history when Belly finds out that Keith has moved in.
So he figures, well, my time is here.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Second only to Casablanca, but serious second only.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Maybe yeah, maybe it was close, though it was close.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I don't know. If we're in the oscars, I don't know.
I think BILLI and Allison scene may have won, just.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Got nominated for very few oscars. I think we do
need to point there's a.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Couple of reasons for that. We can get into that
in a minute.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Well, now that we're streaming on Paramount Plus, we probably
would be eligible anyway. Uh, but yeah, that's a sad,
sad scene. So get your Kleenex and box of wine people,
because you're gonna need it.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Bye Bye Billy, Bye Bye Billy.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
And so that's that's where we end the episode. And
I like we said, let's jump in.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
What a great summary Daphne.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Nice and brief, but really well done, so everyone should
watch it. I just want to reminder.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I think I think the main point that we'd all
like to agree on is there was way too much
making out with Billy and Amanda. I think the main
point we want to make enough of that, am I right?
Enough of that right now?
Speaker 4 (06:22):
I will say there there was less of it than
the last episode, which is much more of this.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Well I noticed the nuzzling, Yes, yeah, because it really
is slightly less pain for me, your only marker of success,
slightly less pain for me.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
I'm just trying to break it to you that, yes,
there was the making out, but to be honest, it
was less than last episode. I'm still very sad for Alison,
because you know much I'm rooting for Alison, and I
am such a spectator in this in these episodes, like
when you say, Daphne that we hope people are watching
(07:00):
these old shows. It is so fun for me to
go back that I'm watching a show I never saw, right,
and so I'm truly an audience member in these first
in this first season, and so I'm getting invested in
these characters. And of course I'm rooting for my friends
Courtney and Daphney, but I'm really rooting for Alison during
(07:22):
this stretch of time where I.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Mean funny also watching that scene court you and I
was thinking, Wow, I'm really feeling like like I feel
so sad and that, and I was like, oh, they're
dating these she's they're using, they're using emotional connection and
probably and imagining like never saying like saying goodbye, like Billy,
You guys are both so good. Andrew was really good too.
(07:44):
I really felt it.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
What a weird reality I was watching the What a
weird reality. We probably drove to work together. Then he
goes and makes that with Heather and I go mack.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Out with and then we.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Get back in the car, drive home, hopefully make out
with each other. Maybe we're just tired at that point.
And they were like, I've had about it.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
You could reality that you can truly see in this
episode that Alison, the character is annoyed by Keith and
not really very warm and fuzzy. She's like talking herself,
and this is what I'm watching, and I'm the audience member,
so I'm like, this is just what I observe.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
I see Alison not very.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Interested in Keith, and she's settling and she's just okay.
And then somehow he manages to like come be the
hero when she's in a dark and scary time in
her life and he happens to be there, and she's
just grateful for that presence, but it's.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Not really she doesn't really like him.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
This is what I see.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
And yet when.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
She's with Billy, it's just warm and fuzzy and perfect
and you know, like there's chemistry and you like each
other and both and it's so sad to see the
relationship that they're not choosing to have be the one
that's so obviously better on screen.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yeah, it's the first scene with Keith and Allison when
I'm so far over to the side of the car,
I'm almost hanging out.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I look about to jump back. Is my car sick?
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Like I literally look sick and so close and I'm like,
but am I really so close.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Like I was a good four feet away in a
car and you were.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
The notes I made on that scene were that he
was harassing you for like and mocking you and teasing
you and being starcastic like, oh, we're just but buddies,
We're just pals, you know, and really, and I thought
that was so annoying, like mocking you and being sarcastic
because you want to go slowly and you're like, do
you not remember I don't trust you, because like he
(09:42):
never told you he was married before, but remember she
delivered okay, well do you what do you need the papers?
I'm divorced. I just thought he was yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Well I think Allison was too, because all those lines
that she delivered in that scene were so were that
same level of annoyance.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Like yeah, he was like literally it did feel like
it was going like this, and then this trauma happens
to Alison, and so then he's there to save her.
Doesn't it there for her? Over and over?
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Doesn't it make you sort of wonder like did Keith
somehow orches straight all this to su I mean, there's
no spoilers here because I don't know where this is going.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
This is just.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Because he does loan her his car car. She says
she needs to feel like it's not that I really care.
I just my car's in the shop. Like I don't
care that you're not going to play with me my cars.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Right, I'm fine going alone. So he knows she's going alone.
He's she's in the borrowed car and you know, going
to the theater district and and all this stuff, and
like just conveniently he's there when she's going down into
the scary laundry room too, like when she thought the
lights burned out? Is that so is that just a coincidence?
(10:53):
Or to watch this is my this is my weariness
level of Keith. I don't trust him at all. I
don't like him at all. And Chuck said very clearly
they needed a villain, they needed a conflict, and like villain.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Is Keith villain? Definitely?
Speaker 4 (11:14):
I see him as villain, even though you know they're
painting it like, oh, this is a relationship for Alison
as an audience member.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Well, I'm taking it very personally. How on Alison's side
you both are? It really feels like that great conversation,
like he's the worst, you're the best. So we really
appreciate it as a I really appreciate the conversation.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
But you guys, the writers aren't dumb what you're feeling, Laura,
as an audience member, as you say, I am two,
we're all feeling it. I think they you know, they
have specific lines and they're writing it in there. It's
in there.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
So we got to see why well be revealed. You
sound like you know where it's going. I don't, and
so I'm super excited. I find out this is just what.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I thought I knew.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
But I forgot this. So Alison goes to play gets mugged.
That scene was terrifying. I completely forgot it. I sort
of remembered it after, but like hanging on the fence
and crying like I didn't remember that at all.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
You know, they grab her, they grab her purse and
take the key and.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
And then he takes you by that back of your
head and over to the.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Yes, shoves your face into the fence. It's it's terrifying,
totally trauma.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Makes me wonder if Keith set it up, because you're
absolutely right, He's there for every moment, and it felt
like the Lee Ehrenberg character made it extra scary for
you to make a bully, and I do remember that.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
And it's funny because I just saw Lee rewatching Seinfeld
for the thousands time and he has, remember, has that
fight with Kramer over the parking space. So if people
don't remember who he is, the guy who's arguing with
Kramer over the parking space.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
He was amazing in that too.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
But I do remember how incredibly sweet he was, which
is great because it was really scary. But so often
don't you find those guys who played that have guys
are the sweetest guys?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, yeah, the sweeting you in between. Yes, you have
to practice, you know, you have to go over the
blocking and stuff.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
But I was surprised, like she couldn't get her key.
I just assumed watching it that she would get her
key in time and go in the car. I was
just as shocked as you or Laura having seen her
for the first time when she got grabbed and really scary.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
And it was shot in that way that's really startling
and frightening, like that tone in Melrose's place. We're going
to see it in subsequent seasons, like it's going to
come up a lot. I think a lot of you know, traumatizing,
scary stuff happens, especially to the women, as we know.
But I think this is kind of you know, although
Billy was he had his car, you know, beating attack
(13:41):
thingy too. This is a really scary, like the music
is scary. It continues through the episode with the laundry
room and she's going down and she's really fearful, and
just the tone of everything about the show, with the
music and.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Also the camera shots. I mean, no, forget that's Victoria Hope.
She's so good at bringing out the emotion. And I
think she uses like steady cam or handheld a lot,
so that when you use steadycam or handheld, it's not
like locked off on a tripod. You feel vulnerable because
it's moving with you. There's no That's what I felt
in that scene. And also down in the laundry room,
(14:17):
there's movement to it, so there's this like creeping feeling
as well.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
And also it's always scary to go down into a
dark laundry room, right like go down into your basement,
go down into a dark laundry room.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
But didn't you think so?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
So Alison goes down into the dark laundry room. The
lights are out, she hears a noise. Keith comes down,
of course her savior. She says, I'm so scared. I'm
so scared, And I literally said, what about your laundry?
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Like, didn't we start to You're going to help you
with your laundry, right, I can't I just.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Abandons the load of laundry.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Well, I'm thinking, yeah, you're traumatized, and why would you
go down in that moment. I'm trying to imagine it
will maybe if I go down in the launderroom and
I'll feel better if I do my laundry right now.
Well that'd be like in bed.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Yeah, I would say forget it. I can do laundry
tomorrow on the light day. But she must have clearly
known there's like another light switch at the bottom of
the stairs, very conveniently, so I'll just like bravely venture
down and hit this southern light switch.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, she's trying to be brave. There's a line like
later on which just got me. It made me laugh.
Start when when Keith says, and I wrote here, Keith
is very sweet and thoughtful post mugging. I'm almost rooting
for him, like he's saying all the right things.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
He actually said.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Don't worry about being strong, being brave. Let me be
all those things for you, at least for tonight. Then
I kind of wanted to hit him because I was like,
that's really taking advantage of Alison's vulnerability, yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Trying to pat himself on the back. I will shoulder
this all for you.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
But he did say the right things right like he
said it was so scary, don't worry about the car.
Like he really did say all the right things. So
I understood.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Why.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Oh, and how about that scene when so it's post mugging,
it's the next morning and Alison and Keith are holding
hands in the doorway and Billy comes in and he
has no id to what happened. He's just coming and
apologizing for the play, and he says, how is the play?
And Allison goes, I don't remember. It all kind of
slipped my mind once I got carjacked, and I was like, oh,
(16:13):
she's a master of passive aggression. And then and then
she walks up and she and he goes, I didn't hear.
She goes, I tried to reach you, and plays the
message and she's sobbing and saying, basically, I've just been
attacked and enjoyed there for me.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
She says, listen to it for yourself, and she leaves
with Keith and he's living listening. Poor Billy's by himself,
hearing you don't traumatize. Yes, He's like, what did I do? Yeah? Yeah, yeah?
Speaker 4 (16:44):
And then you know, alongside this, Billy's navigating his thing
with Amanda, Who's who's really catching on that he's preoccupied
with his feelings about Alison and stuff. And she's going,
you know, you don't seem like somebody who just thinks
of her as a friend. You seem to be thinking
of her an awful lot, you know, this guilt over
(17:06):
her not being there for her.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
And how about that shot when when they're in the
sculpture garden, which sculpture garden that's kind of cool from
place is that?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
And I come in and it's this naked.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Torso of this woman in bronze and we're driving in
and she's talking, we're driving in. The shot is coming
in and you see them coming up in the background.
And did you notice in this scene she says someone
who loves you?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Do we know that they love each other? Have they
said the L word yet?
Speaker 4 (17:33):
That came out and even Billy didn't say anything about it,
and we're going, excuse me, is that is that a
thing we.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Missast moving fast?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Yeah, I know that was the elder.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
And even and before that when he meets the dad,
what about that scene that was hilarious, Like Amanda's father
is teaching Billy the things about whiskey scotch, whiskey scotch, and.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
He's like, well, I drink beer and I'm a camp driver.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
And I'm like wrong. Thing he wasn't.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
He wasn't trying very hard to make a good impression.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I don't think he knew how to be honest. Yeah,
he was like, well i'd drive out, well, I like beer.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I thought he was being so sweet, like he wasn't
putting on airs.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
I just think it was he like didn't care to
impress him. He was like not going to.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Try, well that was that would be dumb. I think
so too dumb.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
I think so true.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Like Amanda, You've just said, You're like it's like dumb,
like do something. Isn't he smarter?
Speaker 4 (18:36):
But like, I don't know, just he was a little
bit like almost defiantly sort of challenging Amanda's dad and
I don't like I don't like Scotch.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
I'm a beer drinker.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Like that is kind of dumb if you're gonna try
to make a good impression. So I conclude, well, then
he just wasn't trying, because.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
So I'm going to bring this back to me again.
I just realized. Yesterday after saying hi to the baby,
David and I went to One A Vista, which is
a famous Irish pub here in San Francisco next to
Giadelli Square. It's where Herbcane went all these writers. And
I had an Irish coffee Irish whiskey, and David had
(19:15):
a Guinness so beer drinker Irish And then I looked
the clock. It was like eleven am.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
He'd probably been up for hours.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
We've been up for hours watching over the baby. It's
so exhausted. It's five o'clock summer. He goes so meanly.
Her dad goes to her asa as an aside in
the kitchen and says, like, we'll see how long this lies.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Yeah, he's not for you. Wayne Tippit is the actor
who plays Amanda's dad. He's so great and yeah he's.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Great another millions and everything.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Yeah, he's just he was perfect but it.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Does feel early, like I know we snuck in that
Amanda loves Billy, but it does feel early for him
to meet her dad right, like, So it's all happening
very very fast, that that real ship is taking off.
Billy and Alison and Keith are moving quickly because of
her trauma.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
And by the end of the episode, she's going to
suggest he moves in. Yeah, it's moving fast. Yes, you know,
we don't talk about the L word, but we're also
moving in together super fast.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Well I feel like, yeah, I don't know, And it
feels doesn't it feel like driven by Amanda this close
close close? Doesn't it feel like she's like I want
him and doesn't feel like it's so pushed and initiated
by Billy. Yeah, it feels like, yes, okay, Well she's gorgeous. Yes,
I dig this, and my roommate slash woman that I
(20:41):
really love is you know, back in Keith's life.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
So also, she's so seductive, like you said, Daphnie started
off with her making a breakfast in bed. She's so
gorgeous obviously, and she's more sure than it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Look it like.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Remember you know, Heather said she felt old coming on
the show. She doesn't look any older than anybody else,
but she definitely is more sophisticated. He looks like an
axe like boy next to her, so I think he
just sort of is letting her lead the way. Who
wouldn't like on who could say no to her. I'll
be like, so beautiful, I'll do this.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Sure he's not. You're right, she is in spite of
how he was.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
But she was driving that and saying all right, we're
in this, I love you and you.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Should move in, and you know that was What do
you think is the competition for her? Like how much
of it is stealing Billy from Allison?
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Or am I sort of looking into the future. But
I think you're looking like you're projecting. Yeah, I think you,
Allison are projecting.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Your lines are really blurred for someone Alison does it
like Andrew Billy, Amanda, Heather Courtney, Elison.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Courtney's really offended by this whole thing.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
For Alison, I do think there's touches of that those
Melrose moments where she's like, well, you know, kind of
gives them ultimatums and nuzzles Isna and like, you know,
I'll take you away from her. But I don't think
it's fully that. I think she really digs them from
the very first episode, way back on what twenty one twelve.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Well, they had more of this, like this scene and
you pointed out, Daphne, I'm still mad at you for
it when they're ice skating and it's so sweet and
you're kind of rooting for them, Still mad at you
for it. But in this one, they're walking down, you're
getting a hot dog and a dirty dog.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
A dirty dog.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Heah, there's dirty others in her, like really fitted sexy plaid.
So here's the dichotomy, a clothing dichotomy.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
She's got this.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Sexy red plaid suit with a half jacket and a
tight skirt, and I've got this huge plaid jacket. I
remember that jacket though, and I remember thinking it was
so cool because had huge shoulder pads that sort of
hung halfway down my arm.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, but it was like an ll bean or whatever
you like, you know what.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I think it was now that we're talking about it.
And I literally had a vague memory of this. It
was because I was so scared. Yeah, I think I
kept that jacket.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
You're still wearing it, come on now. It was a
scene daft.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
You know, this was a scene between you and me
when I'm folding sheets.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
I thought the same thing, like did she just come
over and like you happen to be folding laundry at
the times they're like, hey, help me fold this laundry
and let's chat.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
But doesn't it look like I'm folding up like a
bed that had been on the couch.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
It was very confusing to me.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
It was like you folded or you were just folding
the laundry in the living And.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I just remember things we've said this before early on
in our podcast, like well, what can she be doing?
Or you're saying we walk on set, you know, with
your tea or your water going, well, what am I doing?
Expecting somebody there? So they're like well, and then they're like, well,
we got to do it over here. Well let's do
she's folding laundry. And I don't even know if they
tied it into the laundry scene earlier episode No, right.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Yeah, maybe or maybe that's what it was and we
didn't get it.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Oh she didn't get it.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
But I'm really glowing and talking about because I had
spent the night with Keith who now and it's so
funny because watching it, I didn't at all get what
you guys were talking about about him taking advantage of.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Her in her moment of need. Now I'm furious.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I'm furious now what happened. I'm so angry that he
took advantage of her because he did. It was right
after that I'll be brave for you that they fell
into bed, and then she's all perky and saying, we
had it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Actually it was amazing. Yeah, And I'm like, well, I'll
take care of that. I'm taking you to the shooting range.
You know, we're going to go shoot my SIGs hour.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
I also thought it was sort of funny, like Joe
was being like, oh, I know how that feels. That's
happened to me, Like, oh, yeah, it happened to me
in New York.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
I just, you know, have an evil access in New York.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
She did say that, you're right, I've been mugged. Yeah,
I got this.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Oh well, yeah, I have an idea. Come on, I
know you're scared to go out of the house right
now and you're not going to work, but come on,
let's go.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Let's leave the house.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah, And didn't you think it was interesting that Jake
was so anti gun. So Jake finds out that Joe
has a gun at home and he does this, He
just rails on it, talking about his friends who had
guns and.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
They ended up shooting each other.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I thought that was a nice anti gun message in
the middle of Melrose Place.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Yeah, it was a very like, very clear conversation between
the two characters. That whole scene with Jake.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
And Joe is so sweet because their storyline like refers
to the previous episode where Joe had sort of he
had said to her, you are silent partner, right, and
so all throughout this one when they're having this thread
continue where he's saying, this is my business, you're the
silent partner.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Stopped telling me.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
What to do, and by the end he is She
gives the hey, I'm done with the gun, and he gives, hey,
I'm giving you the books, and like they like both.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Share this do the money part yeah for each other.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
And it's such a sweet scene with the with the
gift that Daphne or not that Daphne that Joe brings
for Ja very blurry.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
The gift that Joe, You're so confused.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
It's just because we're middle aged brain now.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
But Dap, who is the transper guy we saw at
the window. He used to go on those magical motorcycle
rides with all of you guys.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yeah, that's what he was the best I am. Yeah
he was a few times. Yeah, Yeah. I liked how
in the beginning when Joe brings up, you know, I
noticed your business and I'm the silent. You just want
my money and I'm your investor. So she's trying to
figure out but she has ideas and stuff, and he's
so testy, what do you mean you don't think I
(26:31):
can do the money myself. Let's just say it. You
don't think I can run this business by myself. And
then by the end they both give in. She's very
testy when she's defending having a gun and he's like,
you got to get rid of that. I you know,
my friend died in my arms with the gun that
he had, so anyway, it was very I like at
the end they both compromised. The only way you can
(26:51):
move to the middle, and they did with that wonderfully
melrose Place moment of the neon sign that she brings
to him that says Jake's place, and they do that
silhouetted kiss in front of it, and it says Jake's place,
and it's just this beautiful Okay, for now they're coming together.
It's a good game.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
You finally gissed. You guys did a lot less making
out in this story. Yeah, so we haven't talked yet
about Karen's and Rondo, which is great for comic relief.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
That whole storyline. When I saw ray dun Chong's name
in the credit, so I was like, oh, and I
totally understood when Ronda's character says, wait, you haven't told
me what your decorator's name was that you want me
to meet with, and then you're.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Like, I can tell you.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
And it was such a good balance right to these
sort of heavy storylines, especially the poor Alison storyline, So
they're so light and funny, and raydon Chong is so
hilarious and Vanessa does such a great job playing along
with it. Meanwhile, we've got the storyline with Keith and
Allison and Billy where Alison finally asked Keith to move
(27:55):
in and then Billy decides to move in with Amanda. Yeah,
and then we have that sad scene at the end.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
That lasted forever and it was so sad.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Just on Alison being sad, and then she wait a minute, Billy,
and then she goes, do you want your coffee maker?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
And we're like, no, Oh. It wasn't just sad because
of the writing. It was as sad because of the shots,
because she kept turning around and doing close ups on
you and Courtney, you were so real and so just there.
And I just saw she's using, that's really my boyfriend
and I'm never going to see him again. You were
just like and tears were coming in him and then
(28:36):
they cut to him and little Andrew slash Billy was
just like, oh, I don't need the coffee maker. Amanda
has a big german one gives you everything. Oh.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
And then he says, right before this last scene, she's like, wait,
where are you going? And he goes, it's not as
if we thought we were going to spend the rest
of our lives together.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
And I was like, but we did. We did. It's
like and then he also does I think, didn't he say, Corney, Well,
we probably did the best. We like, No, you haven't
even comes the best.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
You can you more, I haven't even kissed you more
busy kissing these other people that we want you to
stop kissing right now.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
You guys were both so good in that scene.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
And it traveled from the bedroom out into the living
room as he goes and he ends up going out
the door, but like every back and forth shot and
the music cues underneath, it was just this gentle piano.
It was like very unique and very like pure lump
in your throat watching scene.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
I mean, and that hugo he goes to the door,
you guys have even hugged and then they cut to
you and you're going bye, and he's like.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
He decides to give me hugs and you're like, I know,
he gives me a kiss on the cheek and like
it's almost a kiss. I thought at first when he
leaned in, I thought he's gonna kiss her me and
then this is what life is bloring again, And then
he didn't. It was a kiss on the cheek and
a hug, and it's like, oh.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
And all we the audience are going, oh, she's left
there with what's his name exactly? Yeah, it was wanting
to seattle the very end. He's like, come on, at
least look at the you know, check out the things
of pamphlets. And please just consider it, and.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
You thought about it till right now. But all through
it she's saying, I don't know if I'm brave enough
to live and work in la anymore. So that's also
working with him saying you want to go to Seattle.
So there's a very good chance.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
And she's got her gonna move walking out the door.
She no longer has a roommate, so yeah, I don't
pay through the end, John, it's a good option to
come in and be her roommate.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
This should have been the cliffhanger. And you know what,
episode twenty four was probably supposed to be the last episode,
but then they kept asking episod ten.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
You're obsessed with how bad the ratings were, and she
thinks every episode we were off air, so this was
probably it.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Well, but twenty four would have been. We did twenty
two then, so twenty four would have been a lot.
So my guess is this was where they were. This
was probably going to be the cliffhanger, but then they
kept adding because the ratings were getting higher and higher.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Maybe well a lot happened in this one, for sure.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
We've got Bill out into Amanda's apartment, Allison's on the
verge of considering if she's going to leave for Seattle.
We didn't see Michael and Jane at all. We saw
Matt for a beat as he's giving advice to Ronda.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
And there and he was also cleaning the pool.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
And Matt was cleaning the boot was mad that mad.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
I don't think that was Matt. I think that was
unnamed pool cleaner guy.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
I think pulled around and seen.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Yeah, they would like he was being paid for the episodes.
They might as well have used his face.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
He was actually cleaning the pool. TV money clean the pool.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
He was just there at work a scene in a
pool duty for you, Doug. You know I'm not doing
anything else right now?
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Can I clean the poole?
Speaker 4 (31:54):
You?
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I can fold your footage.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I'm here all day, my trailer.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
No, I know we have to end. But one quick question,
Laura U. Did you and Doug ever have a scene
together where you're just ever on the show where you're
just talking to each other?
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yes, we have some sids later.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Okay, oh good, I'm exciting.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
I don't know episode I couldn't imagine how Sydney and
Doug would have a conversation there.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
There are some scenes with Sydney and Matt group scenes.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
We're all in group seas together. Something happened somewhere along
the line. Totally all right, I gotta go see the baby, all.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Right, have fun, guys, Thanks for tuning into our episode.
Is still the place to see on a Melrose minute
and say on the next episode.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Bye guys, Bye everyone,
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