April 21, 2025 • 44 mins
Our sexy primetime soap takes a sudden and shocking turn! Just as 'Melrose Place' was doubling down on the cheating, the scheming, the bed hopping, and the bitchy bosses...here comes a sobering and important episode that still resonates decades later. Daphne, Laura, and Courtney explain what was happening behind the scenes that inspired this storyline, and what they remember about making an episode with such serious subject matter.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney Thorn Smith.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
And Daphne's Aniga an iHeartRadio podcast. Hello everyone, are you guys?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
So good to see you, Always good to see you.
The recap today another recap, So wild.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
How this show is not what I in my mind
thirty whatever years later. The show is so much more
than I thought it was.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
It's this episode especially, is very different from what we've
gotten used to in our Melrose world.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Well, yeah, and like the last one too, Like we've
had now had two and row that are kind of
like a little darker, little heavier.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah, it's such an interesting change of pace.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Our expectations are they've gotten going in one direction and.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
It we're like I think, because we're still from like
Melrose whatever it was one point zero, we're getting into
the Melrose You know, we're still in season one and
the show really hit I think in season two and three, right,
so we're not quite to all the like craziness.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
But I don't know if I've mentioned the ratings were
very bad in the beginning. I mentioned that before, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
You've mentioned it once or twice.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
The miracle we're still on that air.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Something about this I think it was from you.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Court It's good great, Courtney was in the studio head
you that much we would gone would have been so over.
As you mentioned, this is a serious one. This is
episode twenty seven. It's called the Test.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
And we're not talking about college admission testing. No, we
are not, or like this is an athletic prowess test.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Not yeah, No. This aired in nineteen ninety three, March
thirty first, and the test we're talking about is an
AIDS test. And this is sort of the height of
a lot of AIDS awareness going on in our media
and on our show, thanks to Aaron and Darren and
the writers, in the world and in the whole world
(02:00):
old after a decade of not enough attention. Okay, so
this episode, episode twenty seven, the test refers to our
a storyline which opens the show with Joe and Jake fill.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
In the blank in ind bed but his time not
in the not in the pink satin sheets, no.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
But sort of move sheets manly plaid manly move and
the plaid it.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
There was maybe move.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
He has a sensitive side, Jake, so I supposed I
think his actual pillowcases were plaid.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
So it's like sort of a preppy.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
At any rate. Joe has to. I had to utter
the cheesiest line ever. Yes, you did. What is it?
Cringe alert?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
It was a sex pun.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
It was a sex pun. We were as if we
had just done it. And then Joe says, I like
it better in the morning, and he says, yeah, why
use it gets my day out? Started with such a bang,
such a guy line.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
I admitted, jaff you committed.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I was so impressed with read it. I had this
sort of like this memory stored in my cells, going,
oh my god, I remember that moment, and I'm sure
when I did it, I was like, who the hell
wrote this? Like I would never have said that.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
But but you guys, the characters laughed at all and
made it fun and funny, like Joe knew she was
telling a dad joke and was getting a kick out
of telling it. Like you played it in such a
way that it was fine and we.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Did all laugh.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Oh well, thank you, Laura, and thank god.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Jake.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I'll say grant aka Jake, We're so was so loving
and it didn't turn him off. He just rolled over
me said, you're crazy girl. You get me going again.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I love dad jokes.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
It was so sweet. Anyway, all right. So we're in
the middle of seeing what happens next with the two
of us, and the phone rings and we hear on
the voice machine his ex girlfriend Perry's voice, which was
on the show several seasons, several episodes back, and she
(04:09):
just says, Jake, I need you to call me right away.
And we do know that we're going to find out
later that she was a drug user, but she got
clean and she was ready to turn her life around.
And that's when the doctor says, you have AIDS. So
when she finally does get him, she tells Jake that
because they had unprotected sex, he needs to get tested
(04:33):
and he should also ask his current girlfriend Joe to
get tested. So at this point, Jake is like, he
represents all of us. I think that in that year
ninety three, you know, those of us who are not
in the gay community, who had friends and lovers and
everybody getting hit with this. We didn't know the masses,
so there there's a lot of misinformation. There was a
(04:55):
lot of fear about it, you know, thinking you could
catch it casual touch, et cetera. So Jake is kind
of scared. He's like, well, I didn't do anything like,
what does does this mean for me? And he's pissed.
He's pissed. Yeah. He has a very aggressive reaction to her, like,
look what you know? It's your fault and and and
(05:17):
then he's says he's as I said, he's terrified, and
he can't bring himself to tell Joe kind of avoids
her one night, says I always want to be alone,
and she knows that Perry is called, so she's kind
of misunderstanding what went on with them on that phone call.
And then Jake actually talks to Matt about it and
(05:38):
asks advice, and Matt, you know, says that he lost
a lover to AIDS. And Jake finally realizes that he
has to break this news to Joe, and he takes
her up to Mulholland at night on his motorcycle and
he breaks the news to her. And I remember shooting
this scene, you know, as you said, this is a
very serious scene, and uh, I just remember shooting it
(06:01):
very well and talking about AIDS, And as you know,
I was aware that we were bringing to our audience
a real issue in the zeitgeist in the world. Right then.
It wasn't just melrose Place drama. I definitely remember that anyway.
So he says, do you remember that time when we
(06:22):
were at that restaurant which we all saw on a
few episodes back when they.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Were at the rest sex capades, the sex.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Capaid and before the food comes, are like, we got
to get out of here, and they run home. And
neither of them wanted to break the mood with pulling
out protection as they talk about there on the overlook
of Mulholland, and so again this is very common. People
didn't want to break the mood, you know. So people
(06:49):
did have unprotected sex, which is exactly how you can
get it. So Joe at the very end of that
scene says, we'll get through this together, Jake, don't worry.
So they get tested and they have to wait twenty
four whole hours, and they escape to the desert to
try to get their mind off it. As we all
know when we try to escape, especially to a place
(07:10):
where there's no distractions, getting our mind off it is
a last thing that happens. But very distracting, is it, No,
But it was a really sweet scene, I thought. By
the campfire and they talk about, you know, they have
a new perspective of life now because they don't know
what this test is going to tell them. They either
(07:30):
have a potentially deadly disease or not. And he says
he talks about how he doesn't want to take life
for granted anymore, and then he uses the L word
for the first time. He says he loves her. She
says she loves him. Good, he said it first. And
(07:54):
then the light, you know, the camera pulls out and
we have that lovely campfire in the desert scene under
the stars, and then he has a nightmare. Jake dreams
that he's tested positive. Of course, we'd use that recently
in another episode where somebody had it. We didn't know
it was a bad dream. I don't remember offhand, but
(08:15):
it's a great device, you know, where it's just a
scene opens and the doctor comes in and says, you know,
you've tested positive, and he's like what, and then boom.
He wakes up in the morning in the desert in
the sleeping bag and gets Joe up and it's like,
come on, we're out of here. Let's go get some
breakfast at a diner, and then they're going to head
back to the city and hopefully get there negative results.
(08:38):
They do both test negative. They each go to their
separate doctor and we have a cut back and forth
where each of them ask very pointed questions about it
so that our audience can get the answers, just as
our characters Joe and Jake will get answers. Doesn't mean
you're immune to it. Keep having sakes, save sex, you
(08:59):
should come, you should get tested again in six months
because it could be in you but not showing up
the virus. So that's another chance to tell our audience about,
you know, about the details of AIDS that they want
them to know. So to finish off the whole, I'm
just going to jump ahead for a minute because Jake,
the good man that he is, ends this whole episode
(09:21):
with going back to Perry after he's gone through this
whole journey and is apologizes for his initial reaction, apologizes
and asks how she really is, and she says, I'm okay,
I take my medicine, and you really get a sense
I thought she Michelle Johnson was it, Yes, Yeah, that
she was really good in this. She just you know,
(09:43):
she's living with it and she takes her medicine. But
some days are bad and most days are okay. And
he says, look, we've never given being friends to try.
Let's give being friends to try, and gives her a
big hug and they have that kind of closes out
the whole show. That's that story. Then come back to
the top and we'll see Alison, who we know from
(10:04):
last episode, has decided to stay and so she wants
her old job back. Makes sense, but unlucky for her. Lucy,
after rolling her eyes, says, well, you have to go
interview for your old job with none other than Amanda,
because she's made Amanda in charge of hiring. So we're like, great,
(10:27):
so we will see this storyline. We'll see Amanda, you know,
totally insulting Allison's work throughout the episode, and Alison trying
to you know, suck up to Amanda and you know,
trying to appease her because Amanda says, well, I think
I can put you on the phones while I interview
(10:48):
all these other people. Of course I don't think we
see any other interviews. But she's just putting her through
the ringer, you know, she's.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Just like, go back to being a secretary.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah, be a secretary. Still. Finally, after a while, Lucy
finally tells Amanda, look, you need to hire her back.
There's no reason to not. This is not a sorority.
I don't care if your best friends or not. You
have to hire her back. So she calls a man
Alison in and lets Amanda take credit for deciding to
(11:18):
bring Alison back.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
She makes Amanda take her credit for it.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, he makes her decide to take her back, and
so she does. I mean, I really noticed the shoulder
pads and you Courtney talked about that just recently in
real life, how you would order them from home Shopping
network or something bulk. This was it.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
It was the look.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
It didn't have a normal shoulder. That was just like,
you had to have this. So she did, and she
did this one. And I especially made a note of
that lime green suit with the corset ties at the back.
I'm sorry, you did it very well. You wore it
very well. But at any rate, So she finally confronts
(11:59):
Amanda and says, look, let's have it out. I know
this is about Billy, and then Amanda insinuates, as she
always does, that she and Billie are still talking and
we're actually talking seeing each other and talking, and Allison's
like what, and she is so gullible and huffs off,
and then we're going to go back to the top
(12:21):
and we're going to see Billy who. His first scene
is with Alison where he is applying his quote, applying
his creative writing skills to his resume without any ethics.
So this resume is full of exaggerations and lies that
he's making for applying for job at Escapade Magazine. And
(12:44):
one of the lies is that he went to Columbia
University for journalism.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
I mean just a little while.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yeah, just you have to have a whole session about
if we've ever like fluffed up a resume or just
tweaked something, because I know people do it, but that's
so obvious. Anyway, he takes this resume. Oh, and then
he says something to you know, Alison, about yeah, I
put you as a reference, but it made you like
(13:12):
the senior editor in charge of something something or other,
like a very high position, and Alison's just like what.
So anyway, he shows up at Escapade Magazine with flowers
and this resume, and he gets past the desk by
saying he has to sing to the boss.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
So she.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Says, okay, go on, it is through there, and he
shows up into the boss's office, so she's very actually impressed,
I think, with the the baldiness of that, and says, Okay,
I'm gonna read some of your stuff, and I can't
take your flowers, but yeah, I'll read some more stuff
and maybe gave you something. I'll let you know. And
then sure enough she brings him on and introduces him
(13:54):
to his coworker Cameron, who actually did go to Columbia
and he busted him for lying on his resume, but
the sexy boss doesn't care and keeps Billy anyway and
then hits on him with weird questions about if he
saw her sweating at the gym and stuff. Very inappropriate woman.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Yeah, I mean, I think the overall feeling of.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
The episode was really heavy, so it is definitely the
primary storyline, and it's the primary like feeling.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I thought of the episode like it was kind of
a downer.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I mean, obviously a very important topic, but just a
total energy shift from where we thought we were going
in the show. And it's definitely like a super important
topic that was.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I think all of us sort of felt like it
was a little bit.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Of a one long episode of a PSA for.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
It was in this issue. You know, it was important
to Aaron Spelling and Daron but Aaron Spelling this very
year produced and the Band Plays On, which was the
Discovery of AIDS, starring Matthew Modine, and it had a
stellar cast. I don't know if you guys remember that
back the day. I remember everyone auditioning for it, and
this cast was amazing, you know, with Matthew Modine and
(15:14):
Richard Gear and Lily Tomlin and I mean Ian McKellen.
It just went on and on and I got an Emmy.
It was, you know, an amazing show on a TV
movie or series on HBO. So I know that, you know,
Darren produced that and this was kind of like a
he really which I really admire him for. You know,
(15:36):
he brought that.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
And I think the reason because we've been just having
two couples making out all through the in the last
few episodes, right like you guys we're making out, they're
making out. One episode it was you and Jake and
Amanda and Billy and me Keith. It was like so
many and I think they couldn't counter this storyline right
with a lot of casual sex and normally in other episodes,
(15:59):
if they had a real heavy, intense storyline, they'd have
a light storyline to counter it. But I think they
didn't want to break the mood with this because they
really wanted to make this point, and every scene was
an education, right, Like for sure, they really had something
they wanted to say. And I think they maybe they
were feeling, I wanted this just camp. Maybe they were
(16:20):
feeling that there was so much casual sex on the
show that they felt a responsibility to say, be careful
because they talked a lot about protected sex. They talked
a lot about the risks. They really talked a lot
about specifically what you should do, how you should handle it.
Like they were saying, you know, it takes six months,
so you get tested now, you get tested later. And
do you guys remember I remember going for that first
(16:43):
HIV test? Do you remember that? And it was five days.
It was terrifying, and you thought of every person you'd
slept with.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
You had to wait for five days.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
In the beginning, like all of a sudden, you're remembering
everybody you'd slept with. Yeah, Like in my early twenties,
the first time when it went on, Oh my god,
there are there are people getting it. Like when we
finally came out of the dark and went, oh, wait
a minute, this is real for everybody. Everybody has to
be aware of this, right.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah, And I think that that And again I think
not only did he want everyone, did they want everyone
to know the details. There's a lot of misinformation and
stigma too, like if you could get it casually, then
you don't want to touch certain people's gaze were being hired.
And you know, thousands and thousands, hundreds of thousands of
(17:31):
gay men had died at this point because it went
all through the eighties pretty much silent. So this nineteen
ninety three was really a time. And then you know,
the drug interfere on I think came on, but there
was more and more in the zeitgeist, and then more
acceptance and compassion, because that's really what was missing. So
I really I liked that it was a story of
(17:52):
two heterosexual couple.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Absolutely, wasn't that. Yes, it was so smart to do
it that way. And when Jake calls Matt to ask him,
sort of in a vague way about what happened, Matt
is this great line. He said, testing positive isn't a
death sentence, ignorance is. And I thought that was such
a great way to say because people were like, you know,
they didn't want to know, didn't want to know, and
they were really trying, you could feeling show they were
(18:17):
trying to get people to test and be conscious and
to understand because you know, Jake was this guy he
didn't do ivy drugs, but he happened to have a
sexy affair with a woman who did and he didn't know.
They're saying, look, you don't know. It's not you're a
good girl, you're a good guy. You can't get it.
They really wanted people to be aware that to stop it,
(18:38):
we all had to be active participants in prevention.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, and it was totally understandable how no one wanted
to break the mood, you know, I mean, who wants
to break the mood? It was a big hurdle they
had to. People had to accept and live with this
idea that this thing is out there. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
And I think what you're saying about like breaking the
mood is that they put that dialogue in the character's mouths,
you know, to say these things that an audience of
all sexualities and orientations and experiences can relate to. Sort
of like all the things like, this is not just
a disease that affects one group of people or whatever.
These are relatable things, and so by having our characters
(19:23):
say this dialogue, it's like, oh, yeah, I get that,
or I've experienced that or whatever. It made it feel
very much like a PSA, but it was covering really
a lot of information, whether the doctor was saying it
and being really specific about now you need to get
tested again in six months, because it was very very
informational in the in the dialogue. But you know, like
(19:47):
like you said, the movie, the HBO movie came out
in the very same year as this, as this storyline
on Melrose's Place, So I was thinking, like, it almost
feels like, you know, we've already made the turn on
Melroe's Place into thinking, okay, we need to definitely make
this more soapy and whatever Heather's already on, we've already
started to see the storyline starting to do this. It
(20:09):
almost feels like these storylines were planned all along Billie's
father passing and this really important storyline, and it almost
feels like they needed to make sure that they were
still telling these stories that they'd planned to tell, even
though it's sort of not consistent with the.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Flow of where they were going.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
So it did feel a little jarring as an audience
member to suddenly have this really important, heavy hitting topic
when we've come to expect sort of like fun and this.
And to your point, Court like, it's really hard to
mix it up and just have a little bit of
this storyline and just get enough so that you can
(20:48):
have a balanced, you know, fun and funny thing.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
On the other side, it's really hard to strike that balance.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
So it felt really heavily all right, let's just tell
this whole story in a really big Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I watched it. I was watching it with a friend
and I was like, I'm prepping for a pop washing thing.
It's so much fun and I was like, oh wow,
this was not the funn Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Yeah, but they had to get it in and so
they just they did the whole thing, and like, we
don't even see Jane and Michael at all in this one,
or or Kimberly.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Which they were very committed.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
We just started to see them maybe heating up in
the prior episode, and then they're not even in this
one because they really needed to cover this aid storyline.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah, I bet they had to fight the network to
do it and to really have this out there because
they got so much good information out to people who
probably needed who wouldn't have been researching it. Right, it's
the audience from Melrose Place and all of a sudden
they're getting all this very specific info.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
You think they really would have to fight the network.
Like I said, Aaron Spelling was a huge producer at
this point, and he did an HBO High Caliber outlet
and the band. Oh.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
I think so HBO was willing to do it, but
Fox was the sexy fun network. I mean, look, they
got it through. Somebody okayed it, but my guess is
that this script was probably challenging to get through. He
probably called him a couple of favors, and it was
great that he did because it really was like Gloria.
Like you said, there was so much direct information, like
they would just have a close up on the doctor
(22:13):
and they would be giving specific information back and forth
between two doctors. It was like, in case you're not
paying attention, we're going to tell you exactly what you
need to do.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, I mean I remember going to an AIDS. It
was a fundraiser with Darren and I think he was
a host on it. And I was asked to say
a few words, and I dawned on me that everyone
and I said this, everyone in this room has someone
has been affected by it. So it was everywhere, and
(22:42):
yet people didn't know the details. It was everywhere. Everyone
had somebody. I had somebody. I told you guys that
my friend Patrick Lippert, who wasn't such a fun guy.
We were roommaids for a while, but we were very
good friends. And he founded Rock the Vote. He got
young people voting with the Vote. He did the first
(23:02):
Elton John Aids party at the Oscars. He you know,
they still had Patrick Lippert Awards after this for years,
but he had Aids. This aired in March July. I
went to his memorial and in fact, me of ninety three,
they gave chip let me leave, said I was working
(23:25):
that day to go to that, and they shifted the
schedule and I so, I just I think that's why,
you know, it just feels heavy because it was heavy,
and these were very dedicated people, are writers and creators,
and they had to make every scene and I feel
like they did balance it with the light.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
I mean to have Billy lying on his resume and
getting obviously busted at this new magazine and then having
that sexy boss hit on him and being weird.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
I thought that was thought that was, you know, a
funny balance to balance it out a bit, the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
It was a little bit lighter. But it wasn't. It
wasn't sexy, right, It was this. I assume it's going
to go somewhere. I assume that the boss is going
to raise the heat on the sexual harassment, but right now,
it's just him trying to make it as a writer,
right and working his way into this business. So it wasn't.
It didn't have that jaunt silly, right, because he's going
(24:29):
to be sexual harassed. We assume, yeah, she's talking about
I'm sweaty.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Caught in his lies too.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
We start to see that his resume lies may come
back to haunt him, although it's not clear if she
is aware that he's lying. But the partner that he's
at the desk with, yeah, one who sort of calls
him out like.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Hey, you went to Columbia, so did I and all
of a sudden, let's year yeah different.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Do you think he knows? Do you think the guy knows?
Speaker 4 (24:58):
I mean, I certainly that because he calls him out
because you know, Billy tries to blow it off and
say it was a big school Well no, it's not,
you know, total, especially like within the journalism department. You know,
like you might know somebody that was only two years
apart in the same department. That is sort of funny,
(25:19):
But it did not seem clear to me whether the
female boss herself was aware that he lied all that
on his resume. She seems mostly just interested in him
because he's good looking and he's a good enough writer
that she wanted to give him the chance of the job.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
And I think she was impressed with how he got in.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Yeah, she's gumption for doing what he did to get
in and lying about his Yeah, or was it always
just that.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
He was cute?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
It just ends on very strong, very fast. There's not
like there's not like a professional right.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
And he was like good enough. Because what she was
really interested is that while he's cute, because we that
whole scene where she's asking him about if you were
next to me at the gym and it was me
and I was sweaty, would you be attracted to me?
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Like totally it was so weird.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
She goes, I go to the gym at five nights
a week. And there's this guy who looked just like you.
So we're really making it clearly like I looked.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Just like you.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I thought he had the hots for me. It's like, wow,
this is so on the.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Nose, super not subtle. Yeah, and he's so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah, this heels going.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yeah, I find that attracted. Well. You know what's funny
too about this episode, like we I like the episode's
best where we're all we're all working with each other.
There's a lot of overlap. Like the last episode with
Billy's father dying, there's a we're all in scenes. It's
really interwoven. This was three completely separate storylines. I think
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Billy and I had one scene together, a couple of
scenes together in the apartment and about him lying and
putting on his resume, and but that was it. Then
we're in these completely separate worlds.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Yeah, right, you guy.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
They send you guys all the way to the desert,
like we're you're not in your apartment anymore. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
And Alison's busy trying to get her job back, and
and can we please can we just talk for twenty
minutes about how bad my hair and close.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Her hair clothes. I know I felt for you.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
It deserves a lot of time I must have. Like,
I'm like, was I growing my bangs up? I had
it back in a French braid that I clearly did
myself and just sprayed off my face like I was
gonna do gymnastics somewhere.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
What was I do? See?
Speaker 4 (27:43):
I'm not assuming that you did it yourself because the
weird thing about that back French braid it was tied
with a giant scrunchy at the.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
End, which I promised you I did myself, I promise you.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Then did you also do Billy's Bosses hair? Because she
had the same exact hairdoo in the same episode.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
She had brandshack with the same scrinch that.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Was very in fashion.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Laura, I don't think you did.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yes, it was it was, don't you remember, like that
little low pony with the big scrunchy. I remember it
was very cool. I got a life.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I mean, every time I saw that or your other
hairdoos against in a scene with Amanda, I'm just like, well,
she please just get a clue and do some nice
highlights and do what Amanda does. Because Heather always looks
amazing and she does nothing but have this hairtail on
your side, and I'm like, why is Alison going all
over and doing all these circus tricks with her hair?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
And then remember the outfit when I'm at the desk
and I've got huge voluminous linen pants, a weird mock
turtle turkur thing, and then a huge tapestry, Like, what
what happened? Did they not have my size and anything?
Everything was huge?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Was Denise on vacation.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
From mad at Me? You were friends with her? Did
I fend her?
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Well?
Speaker 4 (29:03):
I think we see flashes of really really bad nineties nineties?
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Yeah, not all of it is make a note?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
What were you thinking?
Speaker 1 (29:13):
It wasn't fashion though? It was like but there was
no fitted thing. It was three huge layers, and next
to Amanda in her fitted top and tiny skirt.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
It could have been from above. I wonder if Courtney
they said, look, we need to make they've decided that
Amanda's a sexy one, because a lot of things are
they put to you with this baggy stuff because you're
you are sexy and you had this body and I'm
wondering if it came from on top, you know how
they said, shorten the skirts. Well maybe they're like put
her in volume.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Against This is when they got the note this is
probably remember right after this bright tighter and Allison this
more tobably the episode, they were like, what is happening there?
Speaker 3 (29:54):
That has no more bricade?
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Three layers of atpoestry like they just said, it was
like gone with the wind. They're like, you know what,
nobody's using these curtains. Let's make these into a jacket
for Allison.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Well I don't really want to see the giant braid
down the back with a big scrunchy anymore, and a
business suit, even if that business suit is this pale
lime green with corset laces in the back, also bizarre,
like the whole.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Thing in the breasted dress with the person I think you.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Guys wore a lot of those, though, Court. I remember
Alison D and D had a lot of these suit skirts,
suit jackets that were like with the shoulder blades, double breasted,
some big buttons, but older pads like this and then
a little skirt under. That's what I remember a lot
of Well I do know.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Look I've said this before, but I had huge breasts
and I was so self consciously.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
You know, you do keep saying that is there reason?
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I know because because I'm watching it going holy smoked.
I mean I was so self conscious. So that was
kind of Denise was kind of stuck because I wanted
to hide. I didn't know that I should have been
fitted right, It would have been better doing fitted, but
I was trying to hide them, which means you end
up bringing these voluminous things with huge arms. Like I
was looking at the way the arms were fitted and
I was like, there are arms like huge.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Sweaters were like that too.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Nothing fitted. Everything was so huge. And then in this one,
I had this like weird bra that had seen in
the front that looked like those fifties bras that were
made of iron. I have a seam in my woice.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Yeah, you know, not everybody has this like memorializing of
their early twenties or their youth on film, and we
have this weird thing that we're we get to go
back and see it for better or for worse, and
then just went to see the earlier version of ourselves.
Not everybody gets to have that, and everybody has to
have it, and I don't.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Think a lot of it's flattering.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Now, yeah, it's not always easy to see that, and
it brings up those feelings like gosh, I remember feeling
insecure about this or that, and now I have to
watch it all over again, and I know.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
That it's not it's not always easy.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Well, in the defense of all the hair and makeup people,
I had a rule that I would only give them
an hour to get ready. So so I do hair, makeup,
and wardrobe in an hour and I wouldn't give them
any more time. So some of that is my fault
because you're like, well, we got to do the best
we can do it and.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Out so they were halfway through and then you just
went back to your trailer to like do a quick
friend's braid and grab a scrunchy.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
I do my own braid.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
The I wasn't processing it. I never did anything. It
would be there forever.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Do you remember the guys would just breeze in and
breeze out like that.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
I wanted to be like the guys, and I was.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I was the opposite.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
For me.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
I was like, however long it takes, whatever, you know,
if I need actually worked so great, give me some
extra time.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I remember being in the makeup trailer and I was like, Okay,
I'm ready. I'm ready, and then Heather will be next
to me, still getting like teased and this, and then
I'm like, hey, can you I'm not quite ready yet.
Can see what she's doing. I'll be ready in a minute.
So what a what are you using on the lip
over there?
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Lona didn't know and you remember that time too, like
I'm looking, I'm clearly trying a new hairstar where I'm
pulling it back. I didn't know, like now I've settled
on this hairdo that I will have for the rest
of my life. That it was just like I just
now I know. I'm like, this is what works. I'm
not going to try I'm not doing anything different anymore.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
This is it.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
So just lock it in because I feel like I
was trying something new and I was trying it on TV,
like that's where you want to try the huge amounts
of hairspray and the homemade French braik.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
You know, on the topic of trying new hair on
television yet but totally, I kind of had a lot
of experience in trying new things and just like going
out and pin with that, you know, in the under
the umbrella of like it was a character, but still
you know it was like, Laura, don't your hair was
(33:53):
cut short, let's flip it out, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Don't you remember them having instinct and initiating hair. I mean, yeah,
I know went in with my They would kind of
come up with their idea and I would either agree
or not agree.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Well my I mean, I mean my character and the
hair and stuff that was very I was specific and
I think unique on the show because I was definitely
sitting in the hairchair and we're going, what do we
want to do today? And we collectively would come up
with something that was, oh, this is funny for Sydney,
you know. So it wasn't necessarily a reflection of my
(34:27):
personal taste, but it was like, what do we think
is really fun and funny for this character because we
seemed to be given the permission to do so, and
I thought that was a really fun element. Not fun Yeah,
so I did. But other you know, other than that,
Like I I will say, in the nineties and in
the eighties, I had some super bad hair. Like you're
(34:50):
saying Courtney, like you've settled on a haircut that like
this works for me, This is this is what works.
I went through plenty of I tried everything, and I
have real bad I should try to find some really
horrible that I cannot blame on a character.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
That was something I did all by myself, myself.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I picked it out of all the Yes.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
I remember doing a movie in eighty six or seven
and they wanted me to get a perm.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Oh, I got plenty of those.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
I got the perm. We frizzed it out, curled it out,
they died a black and I just had this cool
like thing, Yeah, perm thing, Kartney, did you ever get it?
And shoulder blades? Honestly, I mean shoulder pads. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
My sister gave me a home perm.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
I can show you.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
I have a picture of it right here. I carry
it with me.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
I think we should we should all find a perm
photo and share.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah. Absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
I think that perm that I got lasted two movies
because I remember another one right after. Well, we're just
gonna work with it. My mom.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
There was one photo I remember from the seventies that
my sister and I still just thin because the funniest
thing my mom had just given herself a PERM and
she was standing in the hallway of our house and
her hair filled up almost the whole hallway.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
It's basically curling it and frying it with chemicals.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
But it was there was a there was a bigger
is better stage.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
My sister go to firm once at the beauty salon
and she was riding our bike back and do it
using a hair pic on the way. By the time
it was just like huge.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
She was horrified.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Yeah no, but we thought it looked good. That was
what we were going for. Bigger the better.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
No.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
I wanted that eight is enough the sister and eight
is enough the curly hair and straight bangs.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
That's what I was going for.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I never achieved it.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Hmm. I don't think I ever tried that one.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
I think I just cry it now.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
It's never I should definitely try it. To try it now,
you're like Laura's that just sucker. She'll probably try it
now if I tell her to on you.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
But you try to go You remember, you try to
go in and say I want big loose and you
can't do loose waves with the perm They say you can't,
but you can, and they put on those little tiny
things and the go it'll loosen up.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
It doesn't loosen up.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
It doesn't loosen up ever.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
They're the tiniest little plastic rollers. The kink corkscrew like curls.
And then and it smells like a hard boiled egg.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
It's so bad.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
But so let's talk more about this girl line because
Amanda has this great line that I wrote down. It
made me laugh so hard. She says, so, so she's
Allison is forced on her to work with her again,
and she's making her do all the drudge work, and
she's she's rejecting all of her reports.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
And then Allison in this very I loved my tone.
I was like, we were friends member.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Sucking up, sucking up. Yeah, remember.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
And then she says, let's get one thing clear. In
the past, we let friendship get in the way of
our professional relationship. Let's not make that mistake again.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Oh, and then I have to make this point. This
is on another storyline, but back when I have to
go back to Joe and Jake because I forgot it
about this. So Joe and Jake are in the desert
and they're talking about life and our short life is
and Joe says, out of nowhere, I never thought I'd
lived past thirty. That's how old my mother was when
she committed suicide. Yeah, and she just sort of dropped
(38:14):
it there. Jake doesn't say tell me more than he goes,
I love you, And then that was like, yeah.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
She.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Red flag.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
No, no, no, she has mentioned it before.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Remind me when that was, because I don't remember it
as as like making it makes sense. I felt like
in that scene, like you're saying, Corney, that she really
just dropped it there, and I kind of went, yes,
well that was big, and it wasn't addressed enough because
then I started going, wait, did we already know this?
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Did we?
Speaker 4 (38:48):
And I wasn't clear enough that we already knew this information.
I thought that was such huge information to just leave
there right there.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
And I remember her saying something when she first comes
in the show, and when she first I don't remember
who she's talking to, but.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
That your mother died, not that she committed sue.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
She committed suicide. But it wasn't a lot. It's not
like a memorable part of Joe's history. But I do
remember that, but it's still I think the whole thing is,
don't forget this is that limbo of they've taken the
test and they don't know the result, and they're both
talking about how, you know, really deep kind of like
(39:26):
life changing perspective on life things. And so I think
she's sharing with him, you know, because they're really going deep.
They're both going deep, and so I just feel and
in the desert and all the parameters fall away, and
your roles that you usually are with each other fall away,
and you know, you usually just jump in the sack
(39:47):
and get you know, tipsy or whatever or vice versa.
But you know, I don't. They don't have that. And
I think that I you know, because I think she's
about thirty, right, so she's saying like I thought i'd
be dead soretly, and she could be. You know, they
could be. They don't know. And yeah, scary because Perry
(40:10):
just said we had unprotected sex not that long ago.
You've had it with your girlfriend, I have aids, go
get tested. And so this is a twenty four hours
or whatever where they're, oh my god, what if? And
so you're imagining your life over And that's what I think.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Like that was, yeah, added to the It really.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Was added to their relationship too.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
I think it deserved to follow the question. Let's just
say that I think, yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
You're a little curiosity something it felt like a lot to.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Just buy or buy Jake saying well, what do you
mean by that? How did she do it? Or not?
Speaker 4 (40:44):
Not that kind of follow up question, just more like
acknowledging that that must have been you know, while that's
huge in your life.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Yeah, yeah, you want to talk about it or something.
Who knows.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
But it did feel like just sort of plopped there
and that he didn't follow up.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Well, I guess for me a lot because I feel
like all of their scenes were I mean up up
in the the the muhall overlook at night that was
a big deal. That's where he says I may have
aids and you may have aids. You know, we got
to get tested. So I just feel like everyone, every
scene that they went through was an invitation and a
(41:23):
safety to go even deeper. That's what I felt, Yeah,
remembering these scenes like, wow, we're going so by the
time I got there, it didn't seem like just to
jump out to me. But that's because I was in
the storyline.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
I think, Well, I think in this episode two, we
see that we're firmly we've turned the corner for Amanda
to be bitchy like her character is going to be bitchy,
where as if it started, you know, with maybe not
having her. I think now we're clear that's going to
(41:55):
be okay for her character. And I also think we
leave a established firmly that, like Matt is the go
to guy if you need advice or just a shoulder
or just somebody to listen.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
There's going to be a reason for Matt to be
that guy.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Yeah, and it really sort of moved off Billy Allison,
like they just seem like total roommates again. So they
got really really close and now they seem like roommates again.
So it'll be interesting to see in the next episode.
I did look ahead because I was like, what is next?
Is like this poor friend, this it'll be great fun.
But next is you know, Kimberly and mikeel heating up.
(42:32):
So we kind of get back to the Melrose that
we were expecting coming up in the next episode.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Yeah, so we got these we got these heavy things out.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Yeah, well done, well done, Melrose.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
We can expect some of the typical Melrose probably to
circle backs.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Yeah. Yeah, but it was really great, really good work
in this episode. To Daphne, it really was important, you
guys did a great job.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
And we'll never forget Denise Wingate for your outfits in
this episode. I must say I felt like she was gone.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
I would bring a picture and say, what were you?
What happened?
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Guys?
Speaker 1 (43:03):
I hurt you in some way.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
But I swear to God, you guys, don't you think
if we weren't thirty something years on, if we were
back then, that it wasn't that out there?
Speaker 1 (43:12):
It was. I'm very bad costume. It was a very
bad costume episode for me. But maybe I was supposed
to look like so much the underdog next to Amanda
who looks gorgeous in every single scene. Maybe if so
well done, because that wasn't the goal.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
And to your point, Courtney, about you, about Alison and Billy.
So the last episode you said I'm gonna stay, he
talked to you into staying so you don't go back
to Keith in Seattle. So now you're here, how long
is it do you remember until you guys actually start
to become a couple, Like, how are we gonna work
for that?
Speaker 3 (43:48):
We're gonna have to find out.
Speaker 4 (43:50):
And I just want to reassure you that, like by
the time Sydney.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
Comes on the show, like, you're gonna feel so much
better about your life.
Speaker 4 (43:59):
You're going to see all the hair dos and the
outfits that I was just like, Okay, we're gonna do
like and there's no sense in being like, you.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Know, I want this to be a little bit more
flattering or whatever, like Nope, it's just going to be
a very like yep.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Yeah, I'm just trying to for all of us, like
trying this and trying that, and then you just look
at a man and go, Jesus, she just wears the
same old thing as he looks back.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
She always looks amazing. Yeah, she wins.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
I know.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Oh, ladies, so much fun, all right. I think we
have a couple of guests before the week up, and
it's very exciting. Now we have people coming on.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Yeah, then we can.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
Do and we're getting close to it at the end
of our season, so I'm sure every storyline is gonna
be heating up.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
But always fun to see Ladies steally great.
Speaker 4 (44:45):
Don't forget for our listeners to subscribe and download
Speaker 3 (44:49):
And thanks for listening to still look so bye bye
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And Daphne's Aniga an iHeartRadio podcast. Hello everyone, are you guys?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
So good to see you, Always good to see you.
The recap today another recap, So wild.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
How this show is not what I in my mind
thirty whatever years later. The show is so much more
than I thought it was.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
It's this episode especially, is very different from what we've
gotten used to in our Melrose world.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Well, yeah, and like the last one too, Like we've
had now had two and row that are kind of
like a little darker, little heavier.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah, it's such an interesting change of pace.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Our expectations are they've gotten going in one direction and.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
It we're like I think, because we're still from like
Melrose whatever it was one point zero, we're getting into
the Melrose You know, we're still in season one and
the show really hit I think in season two and three, right,
so we're not quite to all the like craziness.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
But I don't know if I've mentioned the ratings were
very bad in the beginning. I mentioned that before, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
You've mentioned it once or twice.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
The miracle we're still on that air.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Something about this I think it was from you.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Court It's good great, Courtney was in the studio head
you that much we would gone would have been so over.
As you mentioned, this is a serious one. This is
episode twenty seven. It's called the Test.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
And we're not talking about college admission testing. No, we
are not, or like this is an athletic prowess test.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Not yeah, No. This aired in nineteen ninety three, March
thirty first, and the test we're talking about is an
AIDS test. And this is sort of the height of
a lot of AIDS awareness going on in our media
and on our show, thanks to Aaron and Darren and
the writers, in the world and in the whole world
(02:00):
old after a decade of not enough attention. Okay, so
this episode, episode twenty seven, the test refers to our
a storyline which opens the show with Joe and Jake fill.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
In the blank in ind bed but his time not
in the not in the pink satin sheets, no.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
But sort of move sheets manly plaid manly move and
the plaid it.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
There was maybe move.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
He has a sensitive side, Jake, so I supposed I
think his actual pillowcases were plaid.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
So it's like sort of a preppy.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
At any rate. Joe has to. I had to utter
the cheesiest line ever. Yes, you did. What is it?
Cringe alert?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
It was a sex pun.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
It was a sex pun. We were as if we
had just done it. And then Joe says, I like
it better in the morning, and he says, yeah, why
use it gets my day out? Started with such a bang,
such a guy line.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
I admitted, jaff you committed.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I was so impressed with read it. I had this
sort of like this memory stored in my cells, going,
oh my god, I remember that moment, and I'm sure
when I did it, I was like, who the hell
wrote this? Like I would never have said that.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
But but you guys, the characters laughed at all and
made it fun and funny, like Joe knew she was
telling a dad joke and was getting a kick out
of telling it. Like you played it in such a
way that it was fine and we.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Did all laugh.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Oh well, thank you, Laura, and thank god.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Jake.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I'll say grant aka Jake, We're so was so loving
and it didn't turn him off. He just rolled over
me said, you're crazy girl. You get me going again.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I love dad jokes.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
It was so sweet. Anyway, all right. So we're in
the middle of seeing what happens next with the two
of us, and the phone rings and we hear on
the voice machine his ex girlfriend Perry's voice, which was
on the show several seasons, several episodes back, and she
(04:09):
just says, Jake, I need you to call me right away.
And we do know that we're going to find out
later that she was a drug user, but she got
clean and she was ready to turn her life around.
And that's when the doctor says, you have AIDS. So
when she finally does get him, she tells Jake that
because they had unprotected sex, he needs to get tested
(04:33):
and he should also ask his current girlfriend Joe to
get tested. So at this point, Jake is like, he
represents all of us. I think that in that year
ninety three, you know, those of us who are not
in the gay community, who had friends and lovers and
everybody getting hit with this. We didn't know the masses,
so there there's a lot of misinformation. There was a
(04:55):
lot of fear about it, you know, thinking you could
catch it casual touch, et cetera. So Jake is kind
of scared. He's like, well, I didn't do anything like,
what does does this mean for me? And he's pissed.
He's pissed. Yeah. He has a very aggressive reaction to her, like,
look what you know? It's your fault and and and
(05:17):
then he's says he's as I said, he's terrified, and
he can't bring himself to tell Joe kind of avoids
her one night, says I always want to be alone,
and she knows that Perry is called, so she's kind
of misunderstanding what went on with them on that phone call.
And then Jake actually talks to Matt about it and
(05:38):
asks advice, and Matt, you know, says that he lost
a lover to AIDS. And Jake finally realizes that he
has to break this news to Joe, and he takes
her up to Mulholland at night on his motorcycle and
he breaks the news to her. And I remember shooting
this scene, you know, as you said, this is a
very serious scene, and uh, I just remember shooting it
(06:01):
very well and talking about AIDS, And as you know,
I was aware that we were bringing to our audience
a real issue in the zeitgeist in the world. Right then.
It wasn't just melrose Place drama. I definitely remember that anyway.
So he says, do you remember that time when we
(06:22):
were at that restaurant which we all saw on a
few episodes back when they.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Were at the rest sex capades, the sex.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Capaid and before the food comes, are like, we got
to get out of here, and they run home. And
neither of them wanted to break the mood with pulling
out protection as they talk about there on the overlook
of Mulholland, and so again this is very common. People
didn't want to break the mood, you know. So people
(06:49):
did have unprotected sex, which is exactly how you can
get it. So Joe at the very end of that
scene says, we'll get through this together, Jake, don't worry.
So they get tested and they have to wait twenty
four whole hours, and they escape to the desert to
try to get their mind off it. As we all
know when we try to escape, especially to a place
(07:10):
where there's no distractions, getting our mind off it is
a last thing that happens. But very distracting, is it, No,
But it was a really sweet scene, I thought. By
the campfire and they talk about, you know, they have
a new perspective of life now because they don't know
what this test is going to tell them. They either
(07:30):
have a potentially deadly disease or not. And he says
he talks about how he doesn't want to take life
for granted anymore, and then he uses the L word
for the first time. He says he loves her. She
says she loves him. Good, he said it first. And
(07:54):
then the light, you know, the camera pulls out and
we have that lovely campfire in the desert scene under
the stars, and then he has a nightmare. Jake dreams
that he's tested positive. Of course, we'd use that recently
in another episode where somebody had it. We didn't know
it was a bad dream. I don't remember offhand, but
(08:15):
it's a great device, you know, where it's just a
scene opens and the doctor comes in and says, you know,
you've tested positive, and he's like what, and then boom.
He wakes up in the morning in the desert in
the sleeping bag and gets Joe up and it's like,
come on, we're out of here. Let's go get some
breakfast at a diner, and then they're going to head
back to the city and hopefully get there negative results.
(08:38):
They do both test negative. They each go to their
separate doctor and we have a cut back and forth
where each of them ask very pointed questions about it
so that our audience can get the answers, just as
our characters Joe and Jake will get answers. Doesn't mean
you're immune to it. Keep having sakes, save sex, you
(08:59):
should come, you should get tested again in six months
because it could be in you but not showing up
the virus. So that's another chance to tell our audience about,
you know, about the details of AIDS that they want
them to know. So to finish off the whole, I'm
just going to jump ahead for a minute because Jake,
the good man that he is, ends this whole episode
(09:21):
with going back to Perry after he's gone through this
whole journey and is apologizes for his initial reaction, apologizes
and asks how she really is, and she says, I'm okay,
I take my medicine, and you really get a sense
I thought she Michelle Johnson was it, Yes, Yeah, that
she was really good in this. She just you know,
(09:43):
she's living with it and she takes her medicine. But
some days are bad and most days are okay. And
he says, look, we've never given being friends to try.
Let's give being friends to try, and gives her a
big hug and they have that kind of closes out
the whole show. That's that story. Then come back to
the top and we'll see Alison, who we know from
(10:04):
last episode, has decided to stay and so she wants
her old job back. Makes sense, but unlucky for her. Lucy,
after rolling her eyes, says, well, you have to go
interview for your old job with none other than Amanda,
because she's made Amanda in charge of hiring. So we're like, great,
(10:27):
so we will see this storyline. We'll see Amanda, you know,
totally insulting Allison's work throughout the episode, and Alison trying
to you know, suck up to Amanda and you know,
trying to appease her because Amanda says, well, I think
I can put you on the phones while I interview
(10:48):
all these other people. Of course I don't think we
see any other interviews. But she's just putting her through
the ringer, you know, she's.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Just like, go back to being a secretary.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah, be a secretary. Still. Finally, after a while, Lucy
finally tells Amanda, look, you need to hire her back.
There's no reason to not. This is not a sorority.
I don't care if your best friends or not. You
have to hire her back. So she calls a man
Alison in and lets Amanda take credit for deciding to
(11:18):
bring Alison back.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
She makes Amanda take her credit for it.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, he makes her decide to take her back, and
so she does. I mean, I really noticed the shoulder
pads and you Courtney talked about that just recently in
real life, how you would order them from home Shopping
network or something bulk. This was it.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
It was the look.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
It didn't have a normal shoulder. That was just like,
you had to have this. So she did, and she
did this one. And I especially made a note of
that lime green suit with the corset ties at the back.
I'm sorry, you did it very well. You wore it
very well. But at any rate, So she finally confronts
(11:59):
Amanda and says, look, let's have it out. I know
this is about Billy, and then Amanda insinuates, as she
always does, that she and Billie are still talking and
we're actually talking seeing each other and talking, and Allison's
like what, and she is so gullible and huffs off,
and then we're going to go back to the top
(12:21):
and we're going to see Billy who. His first scene
is with Alison where he is applying his quote, applying
his creative writing skills to his resume without any ethics.
So this resume is full of exaggerations and lies that
he's making for applying for job at Escapade Magazine. And
(12:44):
one of the lies is that he went to Columbia
University for journalism.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
I mean just a little while.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yeah, just you have to have a whole session about
if we've ever like fluffed up a resume or just
tweaked something, because I know people do it, but that's
so obvious. Anyway, he takes this resume. Oh, and then
he says something to you know, Alison, about yeah, I
put you as a reference, but it made you like
(13:12):
the senior editor in charge of something something or other,
like a very high position, and Alison's just like what.
So anyway, he shows up at Escapade Magazine with flowers
and this resume, and he gets past the desk by
saying he has to sing to the boss.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
So she.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Says, okay, go on, it is through there, and he
shows up into the boss's office, so she's very actually impressed,
I think, with the the baldiness of that, and says, Okay,
I'm gonna read some of your stuff, and I can't
take your flowers, but yeah, I'll read some more stuff
and maybe gave you something. I'll let you know. And
then sure enough she brings him on and introduces him
(13:54):
to his coworker Cameron, who actually did go to Columbia
and he busted him for lying on his resume, but
the sexy boss doesn't care and keeps Billy anyway and
then hits on him with weird questions about if he
saw her sweating at the gym and stuff. Very inappropriate woman.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Yeah, I mean, I think the overall feeling of.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
The episode was really heavy, so it is definitely the
primary storyline, and it's the primary like feeling.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I thought of the episode like it was kind of
a downer.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I mean, obviously a very important topic, but just a
total energy shift from where we thought we were going
in the show. And it's definitely like a super important
topic that was.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I think all of us sort of felt like it
was a little bit.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Of a one long episode of a PSA for.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
It was in this issue. You know, it was important
to Aaron Spelling and Daron but Aaron Spelling this very
year produced and the Band Plays On, which was the
Discovery of AIDS, starring Matthew Modine, and it had a
stellar cast. I don't know if you guys remember that
back the day. I remember everyone auditioning for it, and
this cast was amazing, you know, with Matthew Modine and
(15:14):
Richard Gear and Lily Tomlin and I mean Ian McKellen.
It just went on and on and I got an Emmy.
It was, you know, an amazing show on a TV
movie or series on HBO. So I know that, you know,
Darren produced that and this was kind of like a
he really which I really admire him for. You know,
(15:36):
he brought that.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
And I think the reason because we've been just having
two couples making out all through the in the last
few episodes, right like you guys we're making out, they're
making out. One episode it was you and Jake and
Amanda and Billy and me Keith. It was like so
many and I think they couldn't counter this storyline right
with a lot of casual sex and normally in other episodes,
(15:59):
if they had a real heavy, intense storyline, they'd have
a light storyline to counter it. But I think they
didn't want to break the mood with this because they
really wanted to make this point, and every scene was
an education, right, Like for sure, they really had something
they wanted to say. And I think they maybe they
were feeling, I wanted this just camp. Maybe they were
(16:20):
feeling that there was so much casual sex on the
show that they felt a responsibility to say, be careful
because they talked a lot about protected sex. They talked
a lot about the risks. They really talked a lot
about specifically what you should do, how you should handle it.
Like they were saying, you know, it takes six months,
so you get tested now, you get tested later. And
do you guys remember I remember going for that first
(16:43):
HIV test? Do you remember that? And it was five days.
It was terrifying, and you thought of every person you'd
slept with.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
You had to wait for five days.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
In the beginning, like all of a sudden, you're remembering
everybody you'd slept with. Yeah, Like in my early twenties,
the first time when it went on, Oh my god,
there are there are people getting it. Like when we
finally came out of the dark and went, oh, wait
a minute, this is real for everybody. Everybody has to
be aware of this, right.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah, And I think that that And again I think
not only did he want everyone, did they want everyone
to know the details. There's a lot of misinformation and
stigma too, like if you could get it casually, then
you don't want to touch certain people's gaze were being hired.
And you know, thousands and thousands, hundreds of thousands of
(17:31):
gay men had died at this point because it went
all through the eighties pretty much silent. So this nineteen
ninety three was really a time. And then you know,
the drug interfere on I think came on, but there
was more and more in the zeitgeist, and then more
acceptance and compassion, because that's really what was missing. So
I really I liked that it was a story of
(17:52):
two heterosexual couple.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Absolutely, wasn't that. Yes, it was so smart to do
it that way. And when Jake calls Matt to ask him,
sort of in a vague way about what happened, Matt
is this great line. He said, testing positive isn't a
death sentence, ignorance is. And I thought that was such
a great way to say because people were like, you know,
they didn't want to know, didn't want to know, and
they were really trying, you could feeling show they were
(18:17):
trying to get people to test and be conscious and
to understand because you know, Jake was this guy he
didn't do ivy drugs, but he happened to have a
sexy affair with a woman who did and he didn't know.
They're saying, look, you don't know. It's not you're a
good girl, you're a good guy. You can't get it.
They really wanted people to be aware that to stop it,
(18:38):
we all had to be active participants in prevention.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, and it was totally understandable how no one wanted
to break the mood, you know, I mean, who wants
to break the mood? It was a big hurdle they
had to. People had to accept and live with this
idea that this thing is out there. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
And I think what you're saying about like breaking the
mood is that they put that dialogue in the character's mouths,
you know, to say these things that an audience of
all sexualities and orientations and experiences can relate to. Sort
of like all the things like, this is not just
a disease that affects one group of people or whatever.
These are relatable things, and so by having our characters
(19:23):
say this dialogue, it's like, oh, yeah, I get that,
or I've experienced that or whatever. It made it feel
very much like a PSA, but it was covering really
a lot of information, whether the doctor was saying it
and being really specific about now you need to get
tested again in six months, because it was very very
informational in the in the dialogue. But you know, like
(19:47):
like you said, the movie, the HBO movie came out
in the very same year as this, as this storyline
on Melrose's Place, So I was thinking, like, it almost
feels like, you know, we've already made the turn on
Melroe's Place into thinking, okay, we need to definitely make
this more soapy and whatever Heather's already on, we've already
started to see the storyline starting to do this. It
(20:09):
almost feels like these storylines were planned all along Billie's
father passing and this really important storyline, and it almost
feels like they needed to make sure that they were
still telling these stories that they'd planned to tell, even
though it's sort of not consistent with the.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Flow of where they were going.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
So it did feel a little jarring as an audience
member to suddenly have this really important, heavy hitting topic
when we've come to expect sort of like fun and this.
And to your point, Court like, it's really hard to
mix it up and just have a little bit of
this storyline and just get enough so that you can
(20:48):
have a balanced, you know, fun and funny thing.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
On the other side, it's really hard to strike that balance.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
So it felt really heavily all right, let's just tell
this whole story in a really big Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I watched it. I was watching it with a friend
and I was like, I'm prepping for a pop washing thing.
It's so much fun and I was like, oh wow,
this was not the funn Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Yeah, but they had to get it in and so
they just they did the whole thing, and like, we
don't even see Jane and Michael at all in this one,
or or Kimberly.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Which they were very committed.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
We just started to see them maybe heating up in
the prior episode, and then they're not even in this
one because they really needed to cover this aid storyline.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah, I bet they had to fight the network to
do it and to really have this out there because
they got so much good information out to people who
probably needed who wouldn't have been researching it. Right, it's
the audience from Melrose Place and all of a sudden
they're getting all this very specific info.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
You think they really would have to fight the network.
Like I said, Aaron Spelling was a huge producer at
this point, and he did an HBO High Caliber outlet
and the band. Oh.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
I think so HBO was willing to do it, but
Fox was the sexy fun network. I mean, look, they
got it through. Somebody okayed it, but my guess is
that this script was probably challenging to get through. He
probably called him a couple of favors, and it was
great that he did because it really was like Gloria.
Like you said, there was so much direct information, like
they would just have a close up on the doctor
(22:13):
and they would be giving specific information back and forth
between two doctors. It was like, in case you're not
paying attention, we're going to tell you exactly what you
need to do.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, I mean I remember going to an AIDS. It
was a fundraiser with Darren and I think he was
a host on it. And I was asked to say
a few words, and I dawned on me that everyone
and I said this, everyone in this room has someone
has been affected by it. So it was everywhere, and
(22:42):
yet people didn't know the details. It was everywhere. Everyone
had somebody. I had somebody. I told you guys that
my friend Patrick Lippert, who wasn't such a fun guy.
We were roommaids for a while, but we were very
good friends. And he founded Rock the Vote. He got
young people voting with the Vote. He did the first
(23:02):
Elton John Aids party at the Oscars. He you know,
they still had Patrick Lippert Awards after this for years,
but he had Aids. This aired in March July. I
went to his memorial and in fact, me of ninety three,
they gave chip let me leave, said I was working
(23:25):
that day to go to that, and they shifted the
schedule and I so, I just I think that's why,
you know, it just feels heavy because it was heavy,
and these were very dedicated people, are writers and creators,
and they had to make every scene and I feel
like they did balance it with the light.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
I mean to have Billy lying on his resume and
getting obviously busted at this new magazine and then having
that sexy boss hit on him and being weird.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
I thought that was thought that was, you know, a
funny balance to balance it out a bit, the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
It was a little bit lighter. But it wasn't. It
wasn't sexy, right, It was this. I assume it's going
to go somewhere. I assume that the boss is going
to raise the heat on the sexual harassment, but right now,
it's just him trying to make it as a writer,
right and working his way into this business. So it wasn't.
It didn't have that jaunt silly, right, because he's going
(24:29):
to be sexual harassed. We assume, yeah, she's talking about
I'm sweaty.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Caught in his lies too.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
We start to see that his resume lies may come
back to haunt him, although it's not clear if she
is aware that he's lying. But the partner that he's
at the desk with, yeah, one who sort of calls
him out like.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Hey, you went to Columbia, so did I and all
of a sudden, let's year yeah different.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Do you think he knows? Do you think the guy knows?
Speaker 4 (24:58):
I mean, I certainly that because he calls him out
because you know, Billy tries to blow it off and
say it was a big school Well no, it's not,
you know, total, especially like within the journalism department. You know,
like you might know somebody that was only two years
apart in the same department. That is sort of funny,
(25:19):
But it did not seem clear to me whether the
female boss herself was aware that he lied all that
on his resume. She seems mostly just interested in him
because he's good looking and he's a good enough writer
that she wanted to give him the chance of the job.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
And I think she was impressed with how he got in.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Yeah, she's gumption for doing what he did to get
in and lying about his Yeah, or was it always
just that.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
He was cute?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
It just ends on very strong, very fast. There's not
like there's not like a professional right.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
And he was like good enough. Because what she was
really interested is that while he's cute, because we that
whole scene where she's asking him about if you were
next to me at the gym and it was me
and I was sweaty, would you be attracted to me?
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Like totally it was so weird.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
She goes, I go to the gym at five nights
a week. And there's this guy who looked just like you.
So we're really making it clearly like I looked.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Just like you.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I thought he had the hots for me. It's like, wow,
this is so on the.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Nose, super not subtle. Yeah, and he's so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah, this heels going.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yeah, I find that attracted. Well. You know what's funny
too about this episode, like we I like the episode's
best where we're all we're all working with each other.
There's a lot of overlap. Like the last episode with
Billy's father dying, there's a we're all in scenes. It's
really interwoven. This was three completely separate storylines. I think
(26:56):
Billy and I had one scene together, a couple of
scenes together in the apartment and about him lying and
putting on his resume, and but that was it. Then
we're in these completely separate worlds.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Yeah, right, you guy.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
They send you guys all the way to the desert,
like we're you're not in your apartment anymore. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
And Alison's busy trying to get her job back, and
and can we please can we just talk for twenty
minutes about how bad my hair and close.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Her hair clothes. I know I felt for you.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
It deserves a lot of time I must have. Like,
I'm like, was I growing my bangs up? I had
it back in a French braid that I clearly did
myself and just sprayed off my face like I was
gonna do gymnastics somewhere.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
What was I do? See?
Speaker 4 (27:43):
I'm not assuming that you did it yourself because the
weird thing about that back French braid it was tied
with a giant scrunchy at the.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
End, which I promised you I did myself, I promise you.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Then did you also do Billy's Bosses hair? Because she
had the same exact hairdoo in the same episode.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
She had brandshack with the same scrinch that.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Was very in fashion.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Laura, I don't think you did.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yes, it was it was, don't you remember, like that
little low pony with the big scrunchy. I remember it
was very cool. I got a life.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I mean, every time I saw that or your other
hairdoos against in a scene with Amanda, I'm just like, well,
she please just get a clue and do some nice
highlights and do what Amanda does. Because Heather always looks
amazing and she does nothing but have this hairtail on
your side, and I'm like, why is Alison going all
over and doing all these circus tricks with her hair?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
And then remember the outfit when I'm at the desk
and I've got huge voluminous linen pants, a weird mock
turtle turkur thing, and then a huge tapestry, Like, what
what happened? Did they not have my size and anything?
Everything was huge?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Was Denise on vacation.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
From mad at Me? You were friends with her? Did
I fend her?
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Well?
Speaker 4 (29:03):
I think we see flashes of really really bad nineties nineties?
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Yeah, not all of it is make a note?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
What were you thinking?
Speaker 1 (29:13):
It wasn't fashion though? It was like but there was
no fitted thing. It was three huge layers, and next
to Amanda in her fitted top and tiny skirt.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
It could have been from above. I wonder if Courtney
they said, look, we need to make they've decided that
Amanda's a sexy one, because a lot of things are
they put to you with this baggy stuff because you're
you are sexy and you had this body and I'm
wondering if it came from on top, you know how
they said, shorten the skirts. Well maybe they're like put
her in volume.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Against This is when they got the note this is
probably remember right after this bright tighter and Allison this
more tobably the episode, they were like, what is happening there?
Speaker 3 (29:54):
That has no more bricade?
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Three layers of atpoestry like they just said, it was
like gone with the wind. They're like, you know what,
nobody's using these curtains. Let's make these into a jacket
for Allison.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Well I don't really want to see the giant braid
down the back with a big scrunchy anymore, and a
business suit, even if that business suit is this pale
lime green with corset laces in the back, also bizarre,
like the whole.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Thing in the breasted dress with the person I think you.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Guys wore a lot of those, though, Court. I remember
Alison D and D had a lot of these suit skirts,
suit jackets that were like with the shoulder blades, double breasted,
some big buttons, but older pads like this and then
a little skirt under. That's what I remember a lot
of Well I do know.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Look I've said this before, but I had huge breasts
and I was so self consciously.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
You know, you do keep saying that is there reason?
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I know because because I'm watching it going holy smoked.
I mean I was so self conscious. So that was
kind of Denise was kind of stuck because I wanted
to hide. I didn't know that I should have been
fitted right, It would have been better doing fitted, but
I was trying to hide them, which means you end
up bringing these voluminous things with huge arms. Like I
was looking at the way the arms were fitted and
I was like, there are arms like huge.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Sweaters were like that too.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Nothing fitted. Everything was so huge. And then in this one,
I had this like weird bra that had seen in
the front that looked like those fifties bras that were
made of iron. I have a seam in my woice.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Yeah, you know, not everybody has this like memorializing of
their early twenties or their youth on film, and we
have this weird thing that we're we get to go
back and see it for better or for worse, and
then just went to see the earlier version of ourselves.
Not everybody gets to have that, and everybody has to
have it, and I don't.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Think a lot of it's flattering.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Now, yeah, it's not always easy to see that, and
it brings up those feelings like gosh, I remember feeling
insecure about this or that, and now I have to
watch it all over again, and I know.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
That it's not it's not always easy.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Well, in the defense of all the hair and makeup people,
I had a rule that I would only give them
an hour to get ready. So so I do hair, makeup,
and wardrobe in an hour and I wouldn't give them
any more time. So some of that is my fault
because you're like, well, we got to do the best
we can do it and.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Out so they were halfway through and then you just
went back to your trailer to like do a quick
friend's braid and grab a scrunchy.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
I do my own braid.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
The I wasn't processing it. I never did anything. It
would be there forever.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Do you remember the guys would just breeze in and
breeze out like that.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
I wanted to be like the guys, and I was.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I was the opposite.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
For me.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
I was like, however long it takes, whatever, you know,
if I need actually worked so great, give me some
extra time.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I remember being in the makeup trailer and I was like, Okay,
I'm ready. I'm ready, and then Heather will be next
to me, still getting like teased and this, and then
I'm like, hey, can you I'm not quite ready yet.
Can see what she's doing. I'll be ready in a minute.
So what a what are you using on the lip
over there?
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Lona didn't know and you remember that time too, like
I'm looking, I'm clearly trying a new hairstar where I'm
pulling it back. I didn't know, like now I've settled
on this hairdo that I will have for the rest
of my life. That it was just like I just
now I know. I'm like, this is what works. I'm
not going to try I'm not doing anything different anymore.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
This is it.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
So just lock it in because I feel like I
was trying something new and I was trying it on TV,
like that's where you want to try the huge amounts
of hairspray and the homemade French braik.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
You know, on the topic of trying new hair on
television yet but totally, I kind of had a lot
of experience in trying new things and just like going
out and pin with that, you know, in the under
the umbrella of like it was a character, but still
you know it was like, Laura, don't your hair was
(33:53):
cut short, let's flip it out, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Don't you remember them having instinct and initiating hair. I mean, yeah,
I know went in with my They would kind of
come up with their idea and I would either agree
or not agree.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Well my I mean, I mean my character and the
hair and stuff that was very I was specific and
I think unique on the show because I was definitely
sitting in the hairchair and we're going, what do we
want to do today? And we collectively would come up
with something that was, oh, this is funny for Sydney,
you know. So it wasn't necessarily a reflection of my
(34:27):
personal taste, but it was like, what do we think
is really fun and funny for this character because we
seemed to be given the permission to do so, and
I thought that was a really fun element. Not fun Yeah,
so I did. But other you know, other than that,
Like I I will say, in the nineties and in
the eighties, I had some super bad hair. Like you're
(34:50):
saying Courtney, like you've settled on a haircut that like
this works for me, This is this is what works.
I went through plenty of I tried everything, and I
have real bad I should try to find some really
horrible that I cannot blame on a character.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
That was something I did all by myself, myself.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I picked it out of all the Yes.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
I remember doing a movie in eighty six or seven
and they wanted me to get a perm.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Oh, I got plenty of those.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
I got the perm. We frizzed it out, curled it out,
they died a black and I just had this cool
like thing, Yeah, perm thing, Kartney, did you ever get it?
And shoulder blades? Honestly, I mean shoulder pads. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
My sister gave me a home perm.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
I can show you.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
I have a picture of it right here. I carry
it with me.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
I think we should we should all find a perm
photo and share.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah. Absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
I think that perm that I got lasted two movies
because I remember another one right after. Well, we're just
gonna work with it. My mom.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
There was one photo I remember from the seventies that
my sister and I still just thin because the funniest
thing my mom had just given herself a PERM and
she was standing in the hallway of our house and
her hair filled up almost the whole hallway.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
It's basically curling it and frying it with chemicals.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
But it was there was a there was a bigger
is better stage.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
My sister go to firm once at the beauty salon
and she was riding our bike back and do it
using a hair pic on the way. By the time
it was just like huge.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
She was horrified.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Yeah no, but we thought it looked good. That was
what we were going for. Bigger the better.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
No.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
I wanted that eight is enough the sister and eight
is enough the curly hair and straight bangs.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
That's what I was going for.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I never achieved it.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Hmm. I don't think I ever tried that one.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
I think I just cry it now.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
It's never I should definitely try it. To try it now,
you're like Laura's that just sucker. She'll probably try it
now if I tell her to on you.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
But you try to go You remember, you try to
go in and say I want big loose and you
can't do loose waves with the perm They say you can't,
but you can, and they put on those little tiny
things and the go it'll loosen up.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
It doesn't loosen up.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
It doesn't loosen up ever.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
They're the tiniest little plastic rollers. The kink corkscrew like curls.
And then and it smells like a hard boiled egg.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
It's so bad.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
But so let's talk more about this girl line because
Amanda has this great line that I wrote down. It
made me laugh so hard. She says, so, so she's
Allison is forced on her to work with her again,
and she's making her do all the drudge work, and
she's she's rejecting all of her reports.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
And then Allison in this very I loved my tone.
I was like, we were friends member.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Sucking up, sucking up. Yeah, remember.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
And then she says, let's get one thing clear. In
the past, we let friendship get in the way of
our professional relationship. Let's not make that mistake again.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Oh, and then I have to make this point. This
is on another storyline, but back when I have to
go back to Joe and Jake because I forgot it
about this. So Joe and Jake are in the desert
and they're talking about life and our short life is
and Joe says, out of nowhere, I never thought I'd
lived past thirty. That's how old my mother was when
she committed suicide. Yeah, and she just sort of dropped
(38:14):
it there. Jake doesn't say tell me more than he goes,
I love you, And then that was like, yeah.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
She.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Red flag.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
No, no, no, she has mentioned it before.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Remind me when that was, because I don't remember it
as as like making it makes sense. I felt like
in that scene, like you're saying, Corney, that she really
just dropped it there, and I kind of went, yes,
well that was big, and it wasn't addressed enough because
then I started going, wait, did we already know this?
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Did we?
Speaker 4 (38:48):
And I wasn't clear enough that we already knew this information.
I thought that was such huge information to just leave
there right there.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
And I remember her saying something when she first comes
in the show, and when she first I don't remember
who she's talking to, but.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
That your mother died, not that she committed sue.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
She committed suicide. But it wasn't a lot. It's not
like a memorable part of Joe's history. But I do
remember that, but it's still I think the whole thing is,
don't forget this is that limbo of they've taken the
test and they don't know the result, and they're both
talking about how, you know, really deep kind of like
(39:26):
life changing perspective on life things. And so I think
she's sharing with him, you know, because they're really going deep.
They're both going deep, and so I just feel and
in the desert and all the parameters fall away, and
your roles that you usually are with each other fall away,
and you know, you usually just jump in the sack
(39:47):
and get you know, tipsy or whatever or vice versa.
But you know, I don't. They don't have that. And
I think that I you know, because I think she's
about thirty, right, so she's saying like I thought i'd
be dead soretly, and she could be. You know, they
could be. They don't know. And yeah, scary because Perry
(40:10):
just said we had unprotected sex not that long ago.
You've had it with your girlfriend, I have aids, go
get tested. And so this is a twenty four hours
or whatever where they're, oh my god, what if? And
so you're imagining your life over And that's what I think.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Like that was, yeah, added to the It really.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Was added to their relationship too.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
I think it deserved to follow the question. Let's just
say that I think, yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
You're a little curiosity something it felt like a lot to.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Just buy or buy Jake saying well, what do you
mean by that? How did she do it? Or not?
Speaker 4 (40:44):
Not that kind of follow up question, just more like
acknowledging that that must have been you know, while that's
huge in your life.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Yeah, yeah, you want to talk about it or something.
Who knows.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
But it did feel like just sort of plopped there
and that he didn't follow up.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Well, I guess for me a lot because I feel
like all of their scenes were I mean up up
in the the the muhall overlook at night that was
a big deal. That's where he says I may have
aids and you may have aids. You know, we got
to get tested. So I just feel like everyone, every
scene that they went through was an invitation and a
(41:23):
safety to go even deeper. That's what I felt, Yeah,
remembering these scenes like, wow, we're going so by the
time I got there, it didn't seem like just to
jump out to me. But that's because I was in
the storyline.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
I think, Well, I think in this episode two, we
see that we're firmly we've turned the corner for Amanda
to be bitchy like her character is going to be bitchy,
where as if it started, you know, with maybe not
having her. I think now we're clear that's going to
(41:55):
be okay for her character. And I also think we
leave a established firmly that, like Matt is the go
to guy if you need advice or just a shoulder
or just somebody to listen.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
There's going to be a reason for Matt to be
that guy.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Yeah, and it really sort of moved off Billy Allison,
like they just seem like total roommates again. So they
got really really close and now they seem like roommates again.
So it'll be interesting to see in the next episode.
I did look ahead because I was like, what is next?
Is like this poor friend, this it'll be great fun.
But next is you know, Kimberly and mikeel heating up.
(42:32):
So we kind of get back to the Melrose that
we were expecting coming up in the next episode.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Yeah, so we got these we got these heavy things out.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Yeah, well done, well done, Melrose.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
We can expect some of the typical Melrose probably to
circle backs.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Yeah. Yeah, but it was really great, really good work
in this episode. To Daphne, it really was important, you
guys did a great job.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
And we'll never forget Denise Wingate for your outfits in
this episode. I must say I felt like she was gone.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
I would bring a picture and say, what were you?
What happened?
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Guys?
Speaker 1 (43:03):
I hurt you in some way.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
But I swear to God, you guys, don't you think
if we weren't thirty something years on, if we were
back then, that it wasn't that out there?
Speaker 1 (43:12):
It was. I'm very bad costume. It was a very
bad costume episode for me. But maybe I was supposed
to look like so much the underdog next to Amanda
who looks gorgeous in every single scene. Maybe if so
well done, because that wasn't the goal.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
And to your point, Courtney, about you, about Alison and Billy.
So the last episode you said I'm gonna stay, he
talked to you into staying so you don't go back
to Keith in Seattle. So now you're here, how long
is it do you remember until you guys actually start
to become a couple, Like, how are we gonna work
for that?
Speaker 3 (43:48):
We're gonna have to find out.
Speaker 4 (43:50):
And I just want to reassure you that, like by
the time Sydney.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
Comes on the show, like, you're gonna feel so much
better about your life.
Speaker 4 (43:59):
You're going to see all the hair dos and the
outfits that I was just like, Okay, we're gonna do
like and there's no sense in being like, you.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Know, I want this to be a little bit more
flattering or whatever, like Nope, it's just going to be
a very like yep.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Yeah, I'm just trying to for all of us, like
trying this and trying that, and then you just look
at a man and go, Jesus, she just wears the
same old thing as he looks back.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
She always looks amazing. Yeah, she wins.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
I know.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Oh, ladies, so much fun, all right. I think we
have a couple of guests before the week up, and
it's very exciting. Now we have people coming on.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Yeah, then we can.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
Do and we're getting close to it at the end
of our season, so I'm sure every storyline is gonna
be heating up.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
But always fun to see Ladies steally great.
Speaker 4 (44:45):
Don't forget for our listeners to subscribe and download
Speaker 3 (44:49):
And thanks for listening to still look so bye bye
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