On today’s episode, Jason discusses the latest on his ongoing ‘feud’ with former NFL MVP Cam Newton that has somehow spilled into the hallways at FS1 (3:33), the four most pivotal plays of the Chiefs’ Super Bowl victory on Sunday (14:14), why it’s fair to say that the Patrick Mahomes-led Chiefs dynasty is just like the Tom Brady-led New England Patriots dynasty… but in reverse (20:13) and whether or not it’s fair to blame Kyle Shanahan for the 49ers players not knowing the new overtime rules (31:17).
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Straight firefam, It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight Fire for Tuesday,
February thirteenth. Hope you already got the Valentine's flowers and
the cards. If you're going to the store for cards,
I mean, goodness, gracious, all the good stuff is picked through.
You're probably gonna get some weak ass flowers. You should
have ordered them last week. I hope you guys are
stepping up your game. Valentine's Week. Got a fun Cam
(00:39):
Newton super Bowl story for you. I think you're gonna
like it. It comes courtesy of Shady McCoy, who is
now according.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
To Cam my guy.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
We'll talk a little bit more about the super Bowl,
and I do have to start with college basketball. Listen,
you guys know, I don't consider myself a degenerate, but
I do like gambling on college basketball and March Madness
is coming up. I have a subscription to Palm and
the other side I go to is bart Torvik. So
every not the first thing I do when I wake up,
but one of the earlier things I do in the
(01:08):
morning is look at the schedules.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
See what kem pom has, see what Bart Torvick has.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
And then I take a look at some other spots
where the early money is, where the line movement is.
And I had a three and zero on a Monday,
wiping the stench away from forty nine.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Ers losing the Super Bowl. Yeah, I'm still a little
salty about that.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
That's what Well, first half was awesome, but three and
o college hoops to start the week is pretty damn good.
But before we get to Super Bowl, because I did
rewatch the game Monday night, I don't know if you
guys saw. It was on NFL network, and I some
interesting thoughts rewatching it. But first I think Rob g
will like this. So, as you guys know, Cam Newton
was at the Super Bowl doing radio row, media row,
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whatever it's called. I'm sure Rob saw him. I got
text from a handful of media people. Oh you got
Cam Newton's here. He is massive. He is enormous, Like
he looks like, you know, a Viking warrior, one of
these like huge, hulking indivis. And I you know, Monday,
I go to the herd and I'm on the set
and I'm going and like getting water, I'm filling up
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my Stanley. Yes, I've become a Stanley guy, as Rob smarks,
I'm sure, but my kids are like riding me. Oh
come on, dad, you can't be a plastic bottle guy.
That's so bad for the environment. Get a Stanley here,
use my Stanley, and get me a new one. So
I'm using a Stanley and I fill it up and
I come back to the set in Shady McCoy's here
and he's just like looking at me wide. I yo,
Cam Newton is all over you. I'm like, what what's
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going on? Cowhard's cracking up? And Shady McCoy, who is
a friend. And I'm not speaking out of pocket. I
think I've talked to you guys about this. Some of
the athletes are pretty cool. I vibe with some of them.
I got to be friendly with them right out of
the gate. Shady McCoy was just a cool guy. We
got along. He can take some ribbing. He will dish
it out, obviously, and he understands. He understands how the
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game is played, like we're here to be interesting and
make comments and back it up. And so he was.
He says he was at the Fanatics party and he's
out with Cam Newton, and all of a sudden, Cam goes, Yo,
your boy MacIntyre's he'd been a little out of pocket,
and Cam starts out and I'm not saying anything.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I'm, you know, shady.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I'm sure he'll tell his if I had him on tomorrow,
and maybe Cam will invite me on this podcast and
we'll discuss it.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
But according to McCoy, Cam Newton.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Felt, I think the gist of it, he felt a
little disrespected that I was putting him in tweets with
Dak Prescott and Brock Purdy and these type of players
when Cam has, let me check my notes here, he
has one MVP award. So Cam, I guess, feels like
I am not giving him the credit he was due.
And listen, Cam Newton at his at the height of
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his superpowers was incredible. There is no denying that he
was awesome. The year he had the MVP Award in
twenty fifteen, the guy threw thirty five touchdown passes. I
believe he had only ten interceptions, running all over the place.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
He was dabbing. It was incredible.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Cam Newton was the jam in twenty fifteen. This is
where it gets kind of sort of interesting and again,
I'm not looking to denigrate the guy. I'm just saying, like, Okay, Kim, yeah,
you were incredible that MVP year.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Got it check. You know what happened the year before that?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I know we remember all like the Superman and the
dab in the fifteen to one they were five, eight
and one. The year before he went fifteen and one,
he had eighteen touchdowns past his twelve interceptions, and the
rushing numbers were not out of this world. And the
year after he won the MVP fifteen and when he
went six and eight nineteen touchdowns, fourteen interceptions, And I'm
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not trying to put down Cam Newton, I'm just speaking facts.
This is like what if if you look at his
entire career, you see the year that he won the
MVP was almost and I'm not saying it was an outlier,
but it definitely sticks out among all the other seasons.
Touchdowns wise, he never topped twenty four except when he
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had thirty five that one year, and ten was the
lowest interceptions he threw as a starter for a full season.
So it was his best season by a mile. Every
other season was up and down as a roller coaster,
and Shady essentially was like Cam was saying, basically, he's
acting like I wasn't him, and that's kind of the
(05:19):
quote he said. And he was like doing these Cam
Newton like motions, which were I thought funny, but I'm
sure in the moment they look cool and whatever. I
don't know, Rob, was it this stuff we do in
the media. I'm not meaning to put him down.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
When you think you hear Cam Newton, you think, what's
the first thing that comes to your mind.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
My first thing I think at Cam Newton now is
the fashion is the hats, is the wild clothes, the
armbands and everything like that, because that's kind of what
he's morphed into recently because he had to play football,
you know, meaningful football at least in a long time. Secondly,
I think of that one magical season twenty fifteen, but
even then, that season is also clouded by the Super
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Bowl where the fumbles right in front of him and
he kind of jumps backwards. Now, yes, I still contend
that he wasn't actually diving away from the fumble. It
was more like guys diving at his legs and he
didn't want to get his knee buckled. Ina kind of thing,
but it's not the best look for him. And then
other than that, I don't think much at all about
Cam Newton. And until he comes up and he starts
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saying things about people or saying things about you and
other media personalities that I started looking into Cam Newton
and looking at his season by season and to your point,
and we talked about this, you know, months ago when
this thing first kind of popped off, the whole Rock
Purty situation. Cam Newton had a fantastic, miraculous, all time
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worthy twenty fifteen season. I mean, he was absolutely phenomenal,
and then like he wasn't the rest of his career.
He was okay, he was good, he was a solid
NFL quarterback. But I don't think he ever had back
to back winning seasons. I don't think he was ever
outside of that one season, like a top five quarterback
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in the NFL. And that's not to denigrate Cam Newton,
like there's a finite number of guys who are consistently
top five or have more than one or two great seasons.
It's just the reality of the situation. And so the
fact that he has you know, anointed himself as the
definitive opinion on quarterback playing in the NFL. It's kind
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of wild to me considering how up and down his
own career was.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Yeah, I mean, it's not an apples to apples, but
he was such a human highlight reel. I think of
a guy like Randall Cunningham who did not win an MVP,
took way too any sacks, but he had like an
awesome highlight reel. He's making crazy bombs, running around, absorbing
hits and making plays like. There was a Cunningham esque
quality to Cam. Of course, he did much more as
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a pro. But like I say, Troy Aikman, what's the
first thing that comes to your mind? Is it announcing
or winning Super Bowls with the Cocaine Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Hit the winning Super Bowls with the Codek Cowboys?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Yeah, I mean, and that's kind of what you want.
And your first thing for Cam was fashion. Anyways, I
don't want to make this about Cam again, but bottom
line is, you know Cam, It's just one of those
weird things where you know, I have nothing against the guy,
but I guess me's piping up kind.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Of got under his skin.
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I had a data let it marinate. I was able
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to watch it again on NFL network. I had a
couple takeaways. Number one, if if we're doing the three
kind of most significant plays in the game, weirdly two
of them I think are about the forty nine ers
screwing up. I think the most significant play in the
game that changed everything was the punt that was a
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social special team's miscue. It goes off the guy's ankle
and instead of just simply falling on the ball, I
believe it was Raybay McLeod, maybe not. He tries to
scoop it up and run, and you're watching it and
you're just, oh, man, and I know in the moment
you want to scoop it up and make a play.
It's easy to say, hey, here's what you should do.
It's like guy like Chris Weber calling the time out
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or something, you know, like in the heat of the moment,
it's really tough and armchair quarterbacks can break it down.
But he doesn't fall on it. Casey recovers they had
gone nine possessions and gotten six points. They were doing
nothing offensively in this game. Flip the field with the
special team's misscue. One play later, MBS touchdown, and it's
the game totally changed. I mean, Niners were in total
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control at that point, So that to me was the
number one play. Number two was the missed extra point
by Moody. And I'm not going to bury the kicker here.
He did make two from fifty plus, but the missed
extra point. So they're trailing in the fourth. All right,
Rock Party, this is the stuff your dream about as
a kid.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
It's the fourth quarter. Can I win the game?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
It's the super Bowl, the top of the mountain. This
is what you dream about as a kid. And Rock
Purty goes down and get the touchdown. You're like, yes, okay,
we got the leader up for she Chiefs who haven't
been able to do shit offensively. You gotta do something now.
And then the missed extra point and it's like, oh, well,
now the Chiefs can just settle for three and tight up.
And you knew that was gonna be huge, And you
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guys can argue there was still a lot of time left,
of course, but it totally changes how Casey's calling plays.
I mean, Casey gets to the red zone six times
and only delivered two touchdowns. One of them was a
gift wrapped trip to the end zone on the fumble punt,
so I thought the mist extra point was massive. And
the third biggest play was a play made by the Chiefs,
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and that would be the third and four blitz where
Trent McDuffie was just unbelievably smart. Essentially, if you watch
the play and you can rewind it and watch it
fifty times, it's one of the great blitzes you'll see
in the Super Bowl. Mcduffy, who is one of the
top tier cornerbacks in the league. I ran it a
Lewis Riddick at the Super Bowl when I was like
in this hotel and we're chatting and you know about
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the game, and of course he's like, I'm just telling you,
Sneid and McDuffie are the best pair of cornerbacks in
the league. And I don't think he's wrong. Sneid was
great against a Yuki. Wasn't perfect, but he was very good.
And McDuffie makes the play of the game where he
backpedals as if he's in coverage. As Perty's calling out
the play, Perty sees him backpedal, and then in an instant,
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McDuffie not only charges the line but times it perfectly.
The Sea's part the garden, the tackle open up, and
Mcduffy's in Perdy's lap in under a second and a half.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Perty had zero chance.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
I know everybody loves Mahomes, Montana, Brady, Ain't nobody getting it.
McDuffie's getting to you and you're not completing the play
and third and four that blew up everything.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
You settled for the field goal.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
You know, if they convert that somehow, and I don't
know how you do. I'm sure Shanahana having nightmares about
that play. If you convert that, I don't think Mahomes
gets the ball and you win the game. Right. It
was at the two minute warning, so Rob those are
my top three. Number four would be after the Mahomes
pick on the first drive where the Chiefs tried to
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fumble on first down where Mahomes had the bad pitch
to Pacheco and they recover it. Then they third and
long and Mahomes is forced to throw an interception because
he's got to make a play on third and long
and the forty nine ers have the ball in case territory.
At the forty four You're like, okay, touchdown here, we're
in business. We get fifteen yards, we get another field goal,
we're up two scores gold and that penalty on second
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down pushes him to second and long and they couldn't
do anything on the next two plays and they punt
it back zero points off a turnover. So those four
plays rob in a nutshell, I thought kind of determined
the outcome.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, that's fair. It's kind of funny that during that
spiel that you went on one play that I had
at the forefront of my mind you never brought up,
and that was the incomplete pass in overtime third and
four inside the ten brock Perdy has two guys open
on that play, Brandon and I. You get the top
of the screen, Jawan Jenning's at the bottom and Chris
Jones gets in his face in er point three seconds
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and everyone's marveling after the game, like, man, how did
Chris Jones being blocked? How Chris Jones being blocked? And
this is a testament to the sport of football, and
how even though there's guys like Tom Brady and Patrick
Mahomes who get all this credit and publicity, is the
greatest players of all time, and it's rightfully deserved because
playing quarterback is the hardest position in all of sports
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in my opinion. But Chris Jones was unblocked on that play,
and everyone's like, how do you unblock their best defender? Well,
lest we forget in the middle of that game, but
halfway through the Niners right guard gets knocked out of
the game with an injury. The guy who was supposed
to slide to the right and pick up Chris Jones
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on that play where she even gets a hand on him,
gives Brock Purty the extra half second he needs to
find one of his two wide open receivers. Apparently he
doesn't know the protection slides the wrong way, Chris Jones
comes flying in, rushes Purty incomplete pass field goal, so
on and so forth. As important as guys are like
Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady and the greatest of all time,
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would you have ever thought that the game ultimately would
have came down in the final minutes to a backup
right guard and him not knowing the right blocking assignment,
and that could ultimately be what decided Patrick Mahomes getting
his third Super Bowl, brock perty Kyleshanna getting their first.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, yeah, unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
I want to drill down for a second on Mahomes
and I was thinking, Rob, do you remember the last
playoff game Mahomes lost.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
That would be the the Bengals right at home?
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yes, at home, And I decided to go back and
look at that and see what the hell happened?
Speaker 2 (16:02):
How did they lose?
Speaker 3 (16:02):
How did Mahomes lose a playoff game? I mean, he's
just so damn clutch. And they had that weird moment
in the end of the first half. They're like running
away from the Bengals and then they went got greedy,
went for the touchdown, could not get in Tyreek kill
was stopped at like the six inch line or whatever whatever.
Bengals slowly come back, but the game, Mahomes leads them
down the field, they get a field goal, and it
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goes to overtime. Chiefs get the ball first and everybody's like,
oh gosh, this is rigged.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Is such garbage.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Of course Mahomes is gonna score, so they're forced into
third and long and Mahomes made a mistake.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
He went yolo.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Josh Allen like similar to Mahomes third and long against
the Niners and he has to chuck it deep and
was intercepted. This one he chucks deep. I think it
was to Tyreek Hill and it was like batted and
then intercepted a deep ball, low percentage chance of completion, interception, turnover,
and is like, oh my gosh, holy cow, Bengals, get
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the ball, go downfield, goal ballgame.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Rob has turned into a game manager, which is not
to knock him or be negative. He was a total
game manager in the Super Bowl with you know, so
obviously adding his legs into the mix, but yeah, which
are game changing. But he was not taking any chances
after that interception down the field. You can look at
the spray chart, it's all short stuff. Now you could say, hey,
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he gave it the took what the defense gave him,
but that's what you're supposed to do, right. You don't
think Josh Allen would kill to be in the Super
Bowl and win one if it meant he didn't have
to go chucking it deep to Digs or Gabe Davis
and try to make these hero ball plays. That was
the last Mahomes loss, and it was like, man, they
were totally different team. They've essentially reinvented themselves. And you know,
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I'm not gonna compare myself to Mahomes, but like, you know,
I got into this newspaper deal out of college.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I was like, oh, I want to write for newspapers. Yeah,
that's where the action's at.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
And then of course by the time I, you know,
within two years of me leaving college, the Internet is
like blowing up, and I'm like, ooh, this is a
bad decision. The newspapers, it's like freaking trying to turn
the Titanic doing anything. They don't want to put anything online.
They're scared of the Internet. F this. So I got
out of newspapers and I pivoted to magazines and I
was reinventing myself there. And then I started a website.
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Let me take advantage of this new fangled Internet thing.
I go into web, reinventing myself once again. Then the
web happens and the website, you know, the big lead
is got a little lucky with that, and next thing,
you know, it's like, oh, let me add and pivot
to radio, and now I'm reinventing myself. Let me, let
me try this radio thing. Then I go podcast, adding
a podcast to the Ledger. Then it's TV, and like
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you're constantly reinventing yourself if you're in sports media. I
don't think this really applies to like accountants and stuff,
but who knows. So I find myself constantly having to
change and evolve, and I feel like the Chiefs rob
have totally done that. They used to be the explosive team.
I remember they went like the length of the field
within like thirteen seconds. I don't think they could do
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that right now, did. I don't think they can pull
that off the way they did against the Bills with
like these splash plays to Tyreek Hill. And they're just
not the same type of team. Sure they can methodically
get down the field, but they're not the old Chiefs.
They've pivoted, just like how the Patriots under Brady were
like defense, First, run the football, Okay, then it's let's
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go two tight ends. Then it's or maybe it was
next was Moss. And when Randy Moss and the fifty
touchdowns for Brady, then it was let's get to the slot. Receivers,
Wes Welker, Edelman, who's the other guy the they add.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Into the way, who Avendola?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Avendola? Thank you?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
The slot receivers. And then it was like, let's let's
do the two tight end sets Gronk and Aaron Ornandez
and and the Patriots were constantly tweaking and evolving. And
the scary part is the Patriots kind of set the
blueprint for the Chiefs, who I think are doing it.
Rob They won this game with defense and essentially Patrick
Mahomes like that was it and and it's it kind
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of sucks for the rest of the league. I mean,
I'm not saying that they're locking up the next five titles.
I just I think every every defensive coordinator who's got
like a playoff ords a team like top ten Super
Bowl odds basically needs to spend half the summer on
how the hell do we stop Patrick Mahomes, whether it's man,
whether it's own, whether it's blitzing, disguising blitzer, what do
you do? Because if he gets the ball late, it
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feels inevitable.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Rub Yeah, it really does. And just to your point,
we started off tking about Patrohans the game manager. In
the Super Bowl. He was six of eleven on passes
beyond ten yards of the line of scrimmage, one touchdown,
one pick. Not great, No, I mean not terrible, but
not great. Nothing you'd expect from a Super Bowl MVP
that is known for having one of the livest arms
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in all of football. That he only pushed the ball
down the field one of every four passes, and he
completed just over half of his pass to one of
them being an interception. So it's definitely a far cry
from what we saw from Patrick mahonmes when he first
got into the league. And I'm glad you brought up
the Patriots because Teddy Bruski said something to the Athletic
last week before the Super Bowl talking about this current
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iteration of the Chiefs, and one thing he said that
really stroke with me is very quite profound. Actually, he
said that these Kansas City Chiefs are exactly like the
Brady Patriots in reverse. When Tom Brady was winning these
Super Bowls early on, lean on defense, don't turn the
ball over. We're gonna win these games. Seventeen, fourteen, twenty
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to seventeen, whatever it is. Just don't make the big mistakes.
Tom and that's how they want three or four. Flash
forward to the end of his time in New England.
The defense was good but not great, you know, save
for that Super Bowl against the Rams, against Sean McVay.
They were the bend but don't break type of defense.
But at that time Tom Brady had fully evolved. He
was throwing the ball more, as you mentioned, to Gronk
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and Aaron Hernandez, Randy Moss and all these different guys,
Wes Welker, and they win three more doing it that way.
This has happened to the same thing with Mahomes, but
he got it done the other way around. He came
into the league slinging the ball over the field, doing
whatever he had to do for throwing it up to
Tyreek Hill, making all these big time plays, and they
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won their first two Super Bowls playing like that. This season,
obviously they don't have the weapons. They had the worst
drops in the NFL, but they had a great defense.
And Patrick Mahomes set himself after the Ravens game, Look,
there's gonna be times where I'm gonna be asked Tom
do things and push them all down the field and
try to make plays, and so on and so forth.
But with the defense like we have when they're playing
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the way they are, part of the game is let's
burn some clock high efficiency passes. Even if we don't score.
As long as we're able to keep the clock moving,
lean on this defense a little bit, we are going
to win a lot of games. And that's exactly what
they did against Baltimore. We talked about it that he
was great to start off the game touchdown, touchdown, and
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then he kind of went into a shell. That offense.
They didn't score the entire second half. It is because
they didn't need to. And just to put into perspective,
the seventeen points the Chiefs scored to beat the Ravens
to make the Super Bowl would not have been enough
to win in any of the previous five of their
six AFC championship games. So he's playing at a different
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style now than even he played two years ago. And
it's a testament to how great he is, and it's
a testament to how selfulware he is, because this is
something that Josh Allen still hasn't learned. You don't always
need to go yolo, you don't always need to make
the you know, twenty five percent pass that when you
make it. It looks fantastic, but it could also lead
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to an interception. Sometimes taking a four yard pass a
seven yard pass, getting a first down or two in
punting is the smart thing to do. And that's why
Patrick Mahomes is back acros off the mountaintop, because he's
willing to humble himself and do whatever is necessary to
get the job done.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Let me just quickly ask you to wrap up.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
We saw the story that a bunch of Niners players
were uncertain of the overtime rules, and everybody's of course,
you know, listen. Kyle Shanahan, for whatever reason is people
just don't like him. I feel like and when I
say people, I'm talking like media members. I don't care
about the cranks and the trolls on the internet.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
My gut tells me the media doesn't like Kyle Shanahan
because a Kyle Shanahan, like you know, is one of
these like I know everything kind of guys like Trump
and a trade up and grab Trede Lance. I know
he's you know, like people want to bag on Shanahan.
Maybe something to do with his dad. I don't know,
the genius label and he hasn't won a Super Bowl
whatever it is. People just don't like him.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
And I saw a lot of media types popping into
my timeline the story that like, oh, Kyle Uchik didn't
know the overtime rules, and neither did this guy and
that guy. And I'm like, all right, wait a minute.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I was at I was at a party with like,
I don't know, fifty fifty plus people, and people are
looking at me like, hey, what are the overtime rules?
And I'm like, I don't freaking know.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
They changed them. Both teams get the ball, and.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Then we're like, oh, okay, okay, both teams get the ball. Well,
both teams will have a chance. And then it was like, well,
why is the clock running? Okay, oh it's a new game.
Ah okay. So when the clock was winding down on
the Hardman play, if the clock had hit the zeros,
it would have gone to what the second quarter, and
we would have like switched sides of the field. Well, okay,
(25:16):
does that mean if we were like tied after I
don't know two more possessions, we would go to a
halftime of an overtime?
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Like how far do you stretch this?
Speaker 3 (25:25):
I There was just so much uncertainty, like I'm not sure,
I know, I know, Jason, come on, you're a guy
with a bunch of random people at a party of
you don't need to know the rules, caution and needs
to know the rules.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I'm listen.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Mikole Hartman caught the touchdown pass and went on air
and didn't like, basically didn't know the game was over.
Patrick Mahomes had to run and be like, you won
the Super Bowl for us, and Maharbman was like stunned.
He they admitted that, So it's not like it was
just the forty nine ers. I'm sure some people in
the Chiefs and I know the Chiefs players did say,
oh yeah, we rehearsed this and that and this. Okay, Well,
Hartman still didn't know the game was over. I don't know, Rob.
(26:01):
I cannot get worked up about Kyle Shanahan. I thought
he had a fine game plan. Obviously people want to
talk about going away from the run in the third quarter.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
That's fine.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
When I rewatched the game, I didn't It didn't look
like the Chiefs made a ton of different changes. The
holes just I don't know, weren't really there. I mean,
McCaffrey wasn't breaking a ton of tackles. I didn't think
he had that great of a game. I mean, he
might have won the MVP if they won. He had
like the long catch and run, but he was just solid.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
I didn't think McCaffrey had like an eight plus game.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
So I don't know. I just can't crush Shanahan, rob,
I don't know. Maybe you disagree.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
I mean I kind of disagree only because I did
say yesterday that he was the doc rivers of the NFL,
and I shared that audio on social media.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Which I did see that, which you did not retweet.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
But it's okay, No, it's okay, don't worry about it.
You know, we're moved on. We've moved past it. But no,
to your point, Christian McCaffrey and that Spagnolo defense, which
was twenty eighth against the Wine coming into the game,
held him to three point six yards per carry, his
lowest yard per carry in any game in which Trent
Williams was active at left tackle.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
So they were great.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I'll tell you what though, with Kyle Shanahan, as far
as the rules go, yes, he's paid to know that rule.
But I can tell you for a fact that a
lot of people who even work in the sport and
cover the sport didn't know those rules. Case in point,
on the Monday night edition of The Odd Couple on
Fox Sports Radio, Rod Woodson, who calls games for the
Baltimore Ravens, he's a Hall of Fame defensive back, one
(27:31):
of the greatest players ever and also a great analyst,
had to get corrected during the interview by Chris Brussard
about the overtime rules because he didn't quite understand them.
And that's not a knock on Rod. I'm sure he
wouldn't mind me sharing that. It's just that's the reality
of the situation because this was the first time I'd
ever been implemented. The only issue that I have with
Kyle Shannhan is it didn't just come down to not
(27:52):
running the football. It didn't just come down to you know,
late gameplay calling, didn't just come down to the overtime rules.
You know, he was uneven throughout that game and just
case in point three of twelve on third down twenty
five percent, which is actually exactly on par with what
his offensive done in the third down in the three
Super Bowl appearances. The one with the Falcons and the
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two here with the Niners. He was good in some spots,
he was pouring other spots. And when you're the head
coach and you have that much talent on your roster,
ultimately you're gonna get a lot of credit when things
go well. You're also gonna get a lot of blame
things go bad, And unfortunately for him, they have a
history of things going bad in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yeah, I mean, I get your point. By the way,
the Doc Rivers thing that was funny so far. So yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
I just I'm a little My biggest takeaway, Rob is
that I think it's a bummer the Chiefs one, because
I don't think it gives us like storylines galore for
like the days after the Super Bowl. You know, you're
having to come down from the NFL season, and it's
just like, oh, Chiefs dying shrug read his back, Damn
Kelsey and Taylor Swift, Which is fine. Patrick Mahomes is
(29:05):
twenty eight years old and now has three Super Bowls
and three Super Bowl MVPs, And it's just to me,
the better storyline would have been the Niners and David
take down Goliath.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
You know, Purdy wins, and then it's like, well, what
do you do with Perdy? Do the Niners have to
pay him all of the money in like a year.
I think he's got one more year on the cheap
and then next offseason they'll have to make a decision
on him. But it's like, there's no you know, Perdy
was fine. You got them in position to win and
ultimately they didn't. But that I don't think that's a storyline.
(29:39):
I don't, you know, the monkey not off the back
of Shanahan. But again, we went over it yesterday, like
Don Shula, I think is two and four in Super Bowls.
You know Marv Levy lost four. We're not going to
do this, Kyle, Shanahan's of a choke artist. I think
it's way too early. I mean Doc Rivers has been
around in coaching for like twenty years. You know that
guy is a choke artist. I think Shannana little premature.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Well just look at Andy Reid. How long do you
think Andy Reider break through?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah, and you took Andy Reid. I think twenty years?
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Right, man, he's living, he's living that almost exact same storyline. Kyle,
Shannvers Andy Rea. Remember any reading the Eagles four straight
ancy championship games, they lose three of them, they win one,
You get to the super Bowl and lose. So he's
he's kind of right on part.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Weren't they rob weren't they at home for like two
or three of those? Yeah? I mean they were, and
they were great teams back then. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Yeah, the defenses were loaded and they just kept coming
up short. And here's the thing that now looking back,
was like almost twenty years ago, wasn't it.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Oh yeah, I think one of the homes. That's all.
He just needs the greatest quarterback ever to join his team.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
But that that is interesting that you bring that up.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
So essentially Reid got close and then finally got a
superstar quarterback, the greatest ever.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
And now read is like on the Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Huh, that's all it takes. Apparently, no boy.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Ksey fans are gonna love us. All right, that's all today.
We'll talk to you tomorrow.
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Straight firefam, It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight Fire for Tuesday,
February thirteenth. Hope you already got the Valentine's flowers and
the cards. If you're going to the store for cards,
I mean, goodness, gracious, all the good stuff is picked through.
You're probably gonna get some weak ass flowers. You should
have ordered them last week. I hope you guys are
stepping up your game. Valentine's Week. Got a fun Cam
(00:39):
Newton super Bowl story for you. I think you're gonna
like it. It comes courtesy of Shady McCoy, who is
now according.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
To Cam my guy.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
We'll talk a little bit more about the super Bowl,
and I do have to start with college basketball. Listen,
you guys know, I don't consider myself a degenerate, but
I do like gambling on college basketball and March Madness
is coming up. I have a subscription to Palm and
the other side I go to is bart Torvik. So
every not the first thing I do when I wake up,
but one of the earlier things I do in the
(01:08):
morning is look at the schedules.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
See what kem pom has, see what Bart Torvick has.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
And then I take a look at some other spots
where the early money is, where the line movement is.
And I had a three and zero on a Monday,
wiping the stench away from forty nine.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Ers losing the Super Bowl. Yeah, I'm still a little
salty about that.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
That's what Well, first half was awesome, but three and
o college hoops to start the week is pretty damn good.
But before we get to Super Bowl, because I did
rewatch the game Monday night, I don't know if you
guys saw. It was on NFL network, and I some
interesting thoughts rewatching it. But first I think Rob g
will like this. So, as you guys know, Cam Newton
was at the Super Bowl doing radio row, media row,
(01:45):
whatever it's called. I'm sure Rob saw him. I got
text from a handful of media people. Oh you got
Cam Newton's here. He is massive. He is enormous, Like
he looks like, you know, a Viking warrior, one of
these like huge, hulking indivis. And I you know, Monday,
I go to the herd and I'm on the set
and I'm going and like getting water, I'm filling up
(02:08):
my Stanley. Yes, I've become a Stanley guy, as Rob smarks,
I'm sure, but my kids are like riding me. Oh
come on, dad, you can't be a plastic bottle guy.
That's so bad for the environment. Get a Stanley here,
use my Stanley, and get me a new one. So
I'm using a Stanley and I fill it up and
I come back to the set in Shady McCoy's here
and he's just like looking at me wide. I yo,
Cam Newton is all over you. I'm like, what what's
(02:31):
going on? Cowhard's cracking up? And Shady McCoy, who is
a friend. And I'm not speaking out of pocket. I
think I've talked to you guys about this. Some of
the athletes are pretty cool. I vibe with some of them.
I got to be friendly with them right out of
the gate. Shady McCoy was just a cool guy. We
got along. He can take some ribbing. He will dish
it out, obviously, and he understands. He understands how the
(02:53):
game is played, like we're here to be interesting and
make comments and back it up. And so he was.
He says he was at the Fanatics party and he's
out with Cam Newton, and all of a sudden, Cam goes, Yo,
your boy MacIntyre's he'd been a little out of pocket,
and Cam starts out and I'm not saying anything.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I'm, you know, shady.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I'm sure he'll tell his if I had him on tomorrow,
and maybe Cam will invite me on this podcast and
we'll discuss it.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
But according to McCoy, Cam Newton.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Felt, I think the gist of it, he felt a
little disrespected that I was putting him in tweets with
Dak Prescott and Brock Purdy and these type of players
when Cam has, let me check my notes here, he
has one MVP award. So Cam, I guess, feels like
I am not giving him the credit he was due.
And listen, Cam Newton at his at the height of
(03:41):
his superpowers was incredible. There is no denying that he
was awesome. The year he had the MVP Award in
twenty fifteen, the guy threw thirty five touchdown passes. I
believe he had only ten interceptions, running all over the place.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
He was dabbing. It was incredible.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Cam Newton was the jam in twenty fifteen. This is
where it gets kind of sort of interesting and again,
I'm not looking to denigrate the guy. I'm just saying, like, Okay, Kim, yeah,
you were incredible that MVP year.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Got it check. You know what happened the year before that?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I know we remember all like the Superman and the
dab in the fifteen to one they were five, eight
and one. The year before he went fifteen and one,
he had eighteen touchdowns past his twelve interceptions, and the
rushing numbers were not out of this world. And the
year after he won the MVP fifteen and when he
went six and eight nineteen touchdowns, fourteen interceptions, And I'm
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not trying to put down Cam Newton, I'm just speaking facts.
This is like what if if you look at his
entire career, you see the year that he won the
MVP was almost and I'm not saying it was an outlier,
but it definitely sticks out among all the other seasons.
Touchdowns wise, he never topped twenty four except when he
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had thirty five that one year, and ten was the
lowest interceptions he threw as a starter for a full season.
So it was his best season by a mile. Every
other season was up and down as a roller coaster,
and Shady essentially was like Cam was saying, basically, he's
acting like I wasn't him, and that's kind of the
(05:19):
quote he said. And he was like doing these Cam
Newton like motions, which were I thought funny, but I'm
sure in the moment they look cool and whatever. I
don't know, Rob, was it this stuff we do in
the media. I'm not meaning to put him down.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
When you think you hear Cam Newton, you think, what's
the first thing that comes to your mind.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
My first thing I think at Cam Newton now is
the fashion is the hats, is the wild clothes, the
armbands and everything like that, because that's kind of what
he's morphed into recently because he had to play football,
you know, meaningful football at least in a long time. Secondly,
I think of that one magical season twenty fifteen, but
even then, that season is also clouded by the Super
(06:02):
Bowl where the fumbles right in front of him and
he kind of jumps backwards. Now, yes, I still contend
that he wasn't actually diving away from the fumble. It
was more like guys diving at his legs and he
didn't want to get his knee buckled. Ina kind of thing,
but it's not the best look for him. And then
other than that, I don't think much at all about
Cam Newton. And until he comes up and he starts
(06:23):
saying things about people or saying things about you and
other media personalities that I started looking into Cam Newton
and looking at his season by season and to your point,
and we talked about this, you know, months ago when
this thing first kind of popped off, the whole Rock
Purty situation. Cam Newton had a fantastic, miraculous, all time
(06:44):
worthy twenty fifteen season. I mean, he was absolutely phenomenal,
and then like he wasn't the rest of his career.
He was okay, he was good, he was a solid
NFL quarterback. But I don't think he ever had back
to back winning seasons. I don't think he was ever
outside of that one season, like a top five quarterback
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in the NFL. And that's not to denigrate Cam Newton,
like there's a finite number of guys who are consistently
top five or have more than one or two great seasons.
It's just the reality of the situation. And so the
fact that he has you know, anointed himself as the
definitive opinion on quarterback playing in the NFL. It's kind
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of wild to me considering how up and down his
own career was.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Yeah, I mean, it's not an apples to apples, but
he was such a human highlight reel. I think of
a guy like Randall Cunningham who did not win an MVP,
took way too any sacks, but he had like an
awesome highlight reel. He's making crazy bombs, running around, absorbing
hits and making plays like. There was a Cunningham esque
quality to Cam. Of course, he did much more as
(07:52):
a pro. But like I say, Troy Aikman, what's the
first thing that comes to your mind? Is it announcing
or winning Super Bowls with the Cocaine Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Hit the winning Super Bowls with the Codek Cowboys?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Yeah, I mean, and that's kind of what you want.
And your first thing for Cam was fashion. Anyways, I
don't want to make this about Cam again, but bottom
line is, you know Cam, It's just one of those
weird things where you know, I have nothing against the guy,
but I guess me's piping up kind.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Of got under his skin.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
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I had a data let it marinate. I was able
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to watch it again on NFL network. I had a
couple takeaways. Number one, if if we're doing the three
kind of most significant plays in the game, weirdly two
of them I think are about the forty nine ers
screwing up. I think the most significant play in the
game that changed everything was the punt that was a
(10:10):
social special team's miscue. It goes off the guy's ankle
and instead of just simply falling on the ball, I
believe it was Raybay McLeod, maybe not. He tries to
scoop it up and run, and you're watching it and
you're just, oh, man, and I know in the moment
you want to scoop it up and make a play.
It's easy to say, hey, here's what you should do.
It's like guy like Chris Weber calling the time out
(10:30):
or something, you know, like in the heat of the moment,
it's really tough and armchair quarterbacks can break it down.
But he doesn't fall on it. Casey recovers they had
gone nine possessions and gotten six points. They were doing
nothing offensively in this game. Flip the field with the
special team's misscue. One play later, MBS touchdown, and it's
the game totally changed. I mean, Niners were in total
(10:52):
control at that point, So that to me was the
number one play. Number two was the missed extra point
by Moody. And I'm not going to bury the kicker here.
He did make two from fifty plus, but the missed
extra point. So they're trailing in the fourth. All right,
Rock Party, this is the stuff your dream about as
a kid.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
It's the fourth quarter. Can I win the game?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
It's the super Bowl, the top of the mountain. This
is what you dream about as a kid. And Rock
Purty goes down and get the touchdown. You're like, yes, okay,
we got the leader up for she Chiefs who haven't
been able to do shit offensively. You gotta do something now.
And then the missed extra point and it's like, oh, well,
now the Chiefs can just settle for three and tight up.
And you knew that was gonna be huge, And you
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guys can argue there was still a lot of time left,
of course, but it totally changes how Casey's calling plays.
I mean, Casey gets to the red zone six times
and only delivered two touchdowns. One of them was a
gift wrapped trip to the end zone on the fumble punt,
so I thought the mist extra point was massive. And
the third biggest play was a play made by the Chiefs,
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and that would be the third and four blitz where
Trent McDuffie was just unbelievably smart. Essentially, if you watch
the play and you can rewind it and watch it
fifty times, it's one of the great blitzes you'll see
in the Super Bowl. Mcduffy, who is one of the
top tier cornerbacks in the league. I ran it a
Lewis Riddick at the Super Bowl when I was like
in this hotel and we're chatting and you know about
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the game, and of course he's like, I'm just telling you,
Sneid and McDuffie are the best pair of cornerbacks in
the league. And I don't think he's wrong. Sneid was
great against a Yuki. Wasn't perfect, but he was very good.
And McDuffie makes the play of the game where he
backpedals as if he's in coverage. As Perty's calling out
the play, Perty sees him backpedal, and then in an instant,
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McDuffie not only charges the line but times it perfectly.
The Sea's part the garden, the tackle open up, and
Mcduffy's in Perdy's lap in under a second and a half.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Perty had zero chance.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
I know everybody loves Mahomes, Montana, Brady, Ain't nobody getting it.
McDuffie's getting to you and you're not completing the play
and third and four that blew up everything.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
You settled for the field goal.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
You know, if they convert that somehow, and I don't
know how you do. I'm sure Shanahana having nightmares about
that play. If you convert that, I don't think Mahomes
gets the ball and you win the game. Right. It
was at the two minute warning, so Rob those are
my top three. Number four would be after the Mahomes
pick on the first drive where the Chiefs tried to
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fumble on first down where Mahomes had the bad pitch
to Pacheco and they recover it. Then they third and
long and Mahomes is forced to throw an interception because
he's got to make a play on third and long
and the forty nine ers have the ball in case territory.
At the forty four You're like, okay, touchdown here, we're
in business. We get fifteen yards, we get another field goal,
we're up two scores gold and that penalty on second
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down pushes him to second and long and they couldn't
do anything on the next two plays and they punt
it back zero points off a turnover. So those four
plays rob in a nutshell, I thought kind of determined
the outcome.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, that's fair. It's kind of funny that during that
spiel that you went on one play that I had
at the forefront of my mind you never brought up,
and that was the incomplete pass in overtime third and
four inside the ten brock Perdy has two guys open
on that play, Brandon and I. You get the top
of the screen, Jawan Jenning's at the bottom and Chris
Jones gets in his face in er point three seconds
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and everyone's marveling after the game, like, man, how did
Chris Jones being blocked? How Chris Jones being blocked? And
this is a testament to the sport of football, and
how even though there's guys like Tom Brady and Patrick
Mahomes who get all this credit and publicity, is the
greatest players of all time, and it's rightfully deserved because
playing quarterback is the hardest position in all of sports
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in my opinion. But Chris Jones was unblocked on that play,
and everyone's like, how do you unblock their best defender? Well,
lest we forget in the middle of that game, but
halfway through the Niners right guard gets knocked out of
the game with an injury. The guy who was supposed
to slide to the right and pick up Chris Jones
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on that play where she even gets a hand on him,
gives Brock Purty the extra half second he needs to
find one of his two wide open receivers. Apparently he
doesn't know the protection slides the wrong way, Chris Jones
comes flying in, rushes Purty incomplete pass field goal, so
on and so forth. As important as guys are like
Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady and the greatest of all time,
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would you have ever thought that the game ultimately would
have came down in the final minutes to a backup
right guard and him not knowing the right blocking assignment,
and that could ultimately be what decided Patrick Mahomes getting
his third Super Bowl, brock perty Kyleshanna getting their first.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, yeah, unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
I want to drill down for a second on Mahomes
and I was thinking, Rob, do you remember the last
playoff game Mahomes lost.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
That would be the the Bengals right at home?
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yes, at home, And I decided to go back and
look at that and see what the hell happened?
Speaker 2 (16:02):
How did they lose?
Speaker 3 (16:02):
How did Mahomes lose a playoff game? I mean, he's
just so damn clutch. And they had that weird moment
in the end of the first half. They're like running
away from the Bengals and then they went got greedy,
went for the touchdown, could not get in Tyreek kill
was stopped at like the six inch line or whatever whatever.
Bengals slowly come back, but the game, Mahomes leads them
down the field, they get a field goal, and it
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goes to overtime. Chiefs get the ball first and everybody's like,
oh gosh, this is rigged.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Is such garbage.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Of course Mahomes is gonna score, so they're forced into
third and long and Mahomes made a mistake.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
He went yolo.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Josh Allen like similar to Mahomes third and long against
the Niners and he has to chuck it deep and
was intercepted. This one he chucks deep. I think it
was to Tyreek Hill and it was like batted and
then intercepted a deep ball, low percentage chance of completion, interception, turnover,
and is like, oh my gosh, holy cow, Bengals, get
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the ball, go downfield, goal ballgame.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Rob has turned into a game manager, which is not
to knock him or be negative. He was a total
game manager in the Super Bowl with you know, so
obviously adding his legs into the mix, but yeah, which
are game changing. But he was not taking any chances
after that interception down the field. You can look at
the spray chart, it's all short stuff. Now you could say, hey,
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he gave it the took what the defense gave him,
but that's what you're supposed to do, right. You don't
think Josh Allen would kill to be in the Super
Bowl and win one if it meant he didn't have
to go chucking it deep to Digs or Gabe Davis
and try to make these hero ball plays. That was
the last Mahomes loss, and it was like, man, they
were totally different team. They've essentially reinvented themselves. And you know,
(17:47):
I'm not gonna compare myself to Mahomes, but like, you know,
I got into this newspaper deal out of college.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I was like, oh, I want to write for newspapers. Yeah,
that's where the action's at.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
And then of course by the time I, you know,
within two years of me leaving college, the Internet is
like blowing up, and I'm like, ooh, this is a
bad decision. The newspapers, it's like freaking trying to turn
the Titanic doing anything. They don't want to put anything online.
They're scared of the Internet. F this. So I got
out of newspapers and I pivoted to magazines and I
was reinventing myself there. And then I started a website.
(18:19):
Let me take advantage of this new fangled Internet thing.
I go into web, reinventing myself once again. Then the
web happens and the website, you know, the big lead
is got a little lucky with that, and next thing,
you know, it's like, oh, let me add and pivot
to radio, and now I'm reinventing myself. Let me, let
me try this radio thing. Then I go podcast, adding
a podcast to the Ledger. Then it's TV, and like
(18:40):
you're constantly reinventing yourself if you're in sports media. I
don't think this really applies to like accountants and stuff,
but who knows. So I find myself constantly having to
change and evolve, and I feel like the Chiefs rob
have totally done that. They used to be the explosive team.
I remember they went like the length of the field
within like thirteen seconds. I don't think they could do
(19:00):
that right now, did. I don't think they can pull
that off the way they did against the Bills with
like these splash plays to Tyreek Hill. And they're just
not the same type of team. Sure they can methodically
get down the field, but they're not the old Chiefs.
They've pivoted, just like how the Patriots under Brady were
like defense, First, run the football, Okay, then it's let's
(19:20):
go two tight ends. Then it's or maybe it was
next was Moss. And when Randy Moss and the fifty
touchdowns for Brady, then it was let's get to the slot. Receivers,
Wes Welker, Edelman, who's the other guy the they add.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Into the way, who Avendola?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Avendola? Thank you?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
The slot receivers. And then it was like, let's let's
do the two tight end sets Gronk and Aaron Ornandez
and and the Patriots were constantly tweaking and evolving. And
the scary part is the Patriots kind of set the
blueprint for the Chiefs, who I think are doing it.
Rob They won this game with defense and essentially Patrick
Mahomes like that was it and and it's it kind
(19:59):
of sucks for the rest of the league. I mean,
I'm not saying that they're locking up the next five titles.
I just I think every every defensive coordinator who's got
like a playoff ords a team like top ten Super
Bowl odds basically needs to spend half the summer on
how the hell do we stop Patrick Mahomes, whether it's man,
whether it's own, whether it's blitzing, disguising blitzer, what do
you do? Because if he gets the ball late, it
(20:19):
feels inevitable.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Rub Yeah, it really does. And just to your point,
we started off tking about Patrohans the game manager. In
the Super Bowl. He was six of eleven on passes
beyond ten yards of the line of scrimmage, one touchdown,
one pick. Not great, No, I mean not terrible, but
not great. Nothing you'd expect from a Super Bowl MVP
that is known for having one of the livest arms
(20:41):
in all of football. That he only pushed the ball
down the field one of every four passes, and he
completed just over half of his pass to one of
them being an interception. So it's definitely a far cry
from what we saw from Patrick mahonmes when he first
got into the league. And I'm glad you brought up
the Patriots because Teddy Bruski said something to the Athletic
last week before the Super Bowl talking about this current
(21:01):
iteration of the Chiefs, and one thing he said that
really stroke with me is very quite profound. Actually, he
said that these Kansas City Chiefs are exactly like the
Brady Patriots in reverse. When Tom Brady was winning these
Super Bowls early on, lean on defense, don't turn the
ball over. We're gonna win these games. Seventeen, fourteen, twenty
(21:26):
to seventeen, whatever it is. Just don't make the big mistakes.
Tom and that's how they want three or four. Flash
forward to the end of his time in New England.
The defense was good but not great, you know, save
for that Super Bowl against the Rams, against Sean McVay.
They were the bend but don't break type of defense.
But at that time Tom Brady had fully evolved. He
was throwing the ball more, as you mentioned, to Gronk
(21:47):
and Aaron Hernandez, Randy Moss and all these different guys,
Wes Welker, and they win three more doing it that way.
This has happened to the same thing with Mahomes, but
he got it done the other way around. He came
into the league slinging the ball over the field, doing
whatever he had to do for throwing it up to
Tyreek Hill, making all these big time plays, and they
(22:08):
won their first two Super Bowls playing like that. This season,
obviously they don't have the weapons. They had the worst
drops in the NFL, but they had a great defense.
And Patrick Mahomes set himself after the Ravens game, Look,
there's gonna be times where I'm gonna be asked Tom
do things and push them all down the field and
try to make plays, and so on and so forth.
But with the defense like we have when they're playing
(22:29):
the way they are, part of the game is let's
burn some clock high efficiency passes. Even if we don't score.
As long as we're able to keep the clock moving,
lean on this defense a little bit, we are going
to win a lot of games. And that's exactly what
they did against Baltimore. We talked about it that he
was great to start off the game touchdown, touchdown, and
(22:49):
then he kind of went into a shell. That offense.
They didn't score the entire second half. It is because
they didn't need to. And just to put into perspective,
the seventeen points the Chiefs scored to beat the Ravens
to make the Super Bowl would not have been enough
to win in any of the previous five of their
six AFC championship games. So he's playing at a different
(23:10):
style now than even he played two years ago. And
it's a testament to how great he is, and it's
a testament to how selfulware he is, because this is
something that Josh Allen still hasn't learned. You don't always
need to go yolo, you don't always need to make
the you know, twenty five percent pass that when you
make it. It looks fantastic, but it could also lead
(23:30):
to an interception. Sometimes taking a four yard pass a
seven yard pass, getting a first down or two in
punting is the smart thing to do. And that's why
Patrick Mahomes is back acros off the mountaintop, because he's
willing to humble himself and do whatever is necessary to
get the job done.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Let me just quickly ask you to wrap up.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
We saw the story that a bunch of Niners players
were uncertain of the overtime rules, and everybody's of course,
you know, listen. Kyle Shanahan, for whatever reason is people
just don't like him. I feel like and when I
say people, I'm talking like media members. I don't care
about the cranks and the trolls on the internet.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
My gut tells me the media doesn't like Kyle Shanahan
because a Kyle Shanahan, like you know, is one of
these like I know everything kind of guys like Trump
and a trade up and grab Trede Lance. I know
he's you know, like people want to bag on Shanahan.
Maybe something to do with his dad. I don't know,
the genius label and he hasn't won a Super Bowl
whatever it is. People just don't like him.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
And I saw a lot of media types popping into
my timeline the story that like, oh, Kyle Uchik didn't
know the overtime rules, and neither did this guy and
that guy. And I'm like, all right, wait a minute.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I was at I was at a party with like,
I don't know, fifty fifty plus people, and people are
looking at me like, hey, what are the overtime rules?
And I'm like, I don't freaking know.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
They changed them. Both teams get the ball, and.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Then we're like, oh, okay, okay, both teams get the ball. Well,
both teams will have a chance. And then it was like, well,
why is the clock running? Okay, oh it's a new game.
Ah okay. So when the clock was winding down on
the Hardman play, if the clock had hit the zeros,
it would have gone to what the second quarter, and
we would have like switched sides of the field. Well, okay,
(25:16):
does that mean if we were like tied after I
don't know two more possessions, we would go to a
halftime of an overtime?
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Like how far do you stretch this?
Speaker 3 (25:25):
I There was just so much uncertainty, like I'm not sure,
I know, I know, Jason, come on, you're a guy
with a bunch of random people at a party of
you don't need to know the rules, caution and needs
to know the rules.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I'm listen.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Mikole Hartman caught the touchdown pass and went on air
and didn't like, basically didn't know the game was over.
Patrick Mahomes had to run and be like, you won
the Super Bowl for us, and Maharbman was like stunned.
He they admitted that, So it's not like it was
just the forty nine ers. I'm sure some people in
the Chiefs and I know the Chiefs players did say,
oh yeah, we rehearsed this and that and this. Okay, Well,
Hartman still didn't know the game was over. I don't know, Rob.
(26:01):
I cannot get worked up about Kyle Shanahan. I thought
he had a fine game plan. Obviously people want to
talk about going away from the run in the third quarter.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
That's fine.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
When I rewatched the game, I didn't It didn't look
like the Chiefs made a ton of different changes. The
holes just I don't know, weren't really there. I mean,
McCaffrey wasn't breaking a ton of tackles. I didn't think
he had that great of a game. I mean, he
might have won the MVP if they won. He had
like the long catch and run, but he was just solid.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
I didn't think McCaffrey had like an eight plus game.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
So I don't know. I just can't crush Shanahan, rob,
I don't know. Maybe you disagree.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
I mean I kind of disagree only because I did
say yesterday that he was the doc rivers of the NFL,
and I shared that audio on social media.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Which I did see that, which you did not retweet.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
But it's okay, No, it's okay, don't worry about it.
You know, we're moved on. We've moved past it. But no,
to your point, Christian McCaffrey and that Spagnolo defense, which
was twenty eighth against the Wine coming into the game,
held him to three point six yards per carry, his
lowest yard per carry in any game in which Trent
Williams was active at left tackle.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
So they were great.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I'll tell you what though, with Kyle Shanahan, as far
as the rules go, yes, he's paid to know that rule.
But I can tell you for a fact that a
lot of people who even work in the sport and
cover the sport didn't know those rules. Case in point,
on the Monday night edition of The Odd Couple on
Fox Sports Radio, Rod Woodson, who calls games for the
Baltimore Ravens, he's a Hall of Fame defensive back, one
(27:31):
of the greatest players ever and also a great analyst,
had to get corrected during the interview by Chris Brussard
about the overtime rules because he didn't quite understand them.
And that's not a knock on Rod. I'm sure he
wouldn't mind me sharing that. It's just that's the reality
of the situation because this was the first time I'd
ever been implemented. The only issue that I have with
Kyle Shannhan is it didn't just come down to not
(27:52):
running the football. It didn't just come down to you know,
late gameplay calling, didn't just come down to the overtime rules.
You know, he was uneven throughout that game and just
case in point three of twelve on third down twenty
five percent, which is actually exactly on par with what
his offensive done in the third down in the three
Super Bowl appearances. The one with the Falcons and the
(28:13):
two here with the Niners. He was good in some spots,
he was pouring other spots. And when you're the head
coach and you have that much talent on your roster,
ultimately you're gonna get a lot of credit when things
go well. You're also gonna get a lot of blame
things go bad, And unfortunately for him, they have a
history of things going bad in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yeah, I mean, I get your point. By the way,
the Doc Rivers thing that was funny so far. So yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
I just I'm a little My biggest takeaway, Rob is
that I think it's a bummer the Chiefs one, because
I don't think it gives us like storylines galore for
like the days after the Super Bowl. You know, you're
having to come down from the NFL season, and it's
just like, oh, Chiefs dying shrug read his back, Damn
Kelsey and Taylor Swift, Which is fine. Patrick Mahomes is
(29:05):
twenty eight years old and now has three Super Bowls
and three Super Bowl MVPs, And it's just to me,
the better storyline would have been the Niners and David
take down Goliath.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
You know, Purdy wins, and then it's like, well, what
do you do with Perdy? Do the Niners have to
pay him all of the money in like a year.
I think he's got one more year on the cheap
and then next offseason they'll have to make a decision
on him. But it's like, there's no you know, Perdy
was fine. You got them in position to win and
ultimately they didn't. But that I don't think that's a storyline.
(29:39):
I don't, you know, the monkey not off the back
of Shanahan. But again, we went over it yesterday, like
Don Shula, I think is two and four in Super Bowls.
You know Marv Levy lost four. We're not going to
do this, Kyle, Shanahan's of a choke artist. I think
it's way too early. I mean Doc Rivers has been
around in coaching for like twenty years. You know that
guy is a choke artist. I think Shannana little premature.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Well just look at Andy Reid. How long do you
think Andy Reider break through?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah, and you took Andy Reid. I think twenty years?
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Right, man, he's living, he's living that almost exact same storyline. Kyle,
Shannvers Andy Rea. Remember any reading the Eagles four straight
ancy championship games, they lose three of them, they win one,
You get to the super Bowl and lose. So he's
he's kind of right on part.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Weren't they rob weren't they at home for like two
or three of those? Yeah? I mean they were, and
they were great teams back then. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Yeah, the defenses were loaded and they just kept coming
up short. And here's the thing that now looking back,
was like almost twenty years ago, wasn't it.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Oh yeah, I think one of the homes. That's all.
He just needs the greatest quarterback ever to join his team.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
But that that is interesting that you bring that up.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
So essentially Reid got close and then finally got a
superstar quarterback, the greatest ever.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
And now read is like on the Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Huh, that's all it takes. Apparently, no boy.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Ksey fans are gonna love us. All right, that's all today.
We'll talk to you tomorrow.
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