February 12, 2024 • 36 mins
On today’s episode, Jason discusses the Kansas City Chiefs beating the San Francisco 49ers in a mostly underwhelming Super Bowl and why this particular loss has to sting if you’re a Niners fan or put money on San Francisco to win (2:17), the narrative that Kyle Shanahan ‘can’t win the Big One (16:48), Patrick Mahomes’ overall performance in the game and whether or not it’s too soon to declare him the Greatest Quarterback of All-Time (24:37), the early returns on Usher’s halftime performance (35:41) and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. This is straight Fire with Jason McIntire. What
is up, straight firefam, It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight Fire
for Monday, February twelfth. I was torn, ladies and gentlemen
(00:26):
this morning of opening with Oh, what a great super Bowl.
This was so memorable, epic overtime blah blah blah, and
I just I don't know if it was a great game,
a good game, a tense game, an exciting game, maybe
all of the above. All the boxes were checked. I
watched at a buddy's house and a bunch of friends
were over there, you know, and I would I don't
(00:48):
want to say it was evenly split Niners Chiefs fans,
but it was definitely more. Ladies were rooting for the
Chiefs and I was rooting Miners, and they had many
chances to put this game away. They were unable to
do that. I'm not gonna get out here and take
a dump on Kyle Shanahan. I let Rob try to
do that. I certainly am not going to trash Brock.
(01:08):
Perty will get into it. He had, you know, two
very high leverage plays that were massive. Obviously, Patrick Mahomes
was tremendous in the clutch, winning his third Super Bowl
MVP Award. Last week, we talked about how the Sports
Illustrated had the list of the top twenty five greatest
Super Bowl performances Ever. Will this Mahomes performance get down
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that list? Like, I know, he converted a couple third downs,
but folks, this is staggering, absolutely crazy. Next Gen Stats
put out the passing chart for Mahomes forty six attempts,
thirty four completions. You know, ended up throwing a lot overtime. Obviously,
he had one pass completion over twenty yards in the
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entire game. One the bomb early two. It might have
been hardman where the Niners defensive back kind of lost it.
There was two guys there. The guy in front probably
should have picked it, but he lost the ball in
the air. And then if you want to say, okay, well,
so he's not throwing the ball down the field, fine, fine,
fine compleation in completions of over ten yards, Mahomes just
had five. Okay, so five of his thirty four completions
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went beyond ten yards. Everything else dink and dunk short.
I'm gonna give what the defense takes me. On some level,
that is super impressive. The discipline it takes to give
what the defense or take what the defense is giving
you is something Josh Allen cannot do that. A lot
of quarterbacks cannot. They get the yolo. I want to
be a hero, I gotta throw deep. It's just like
in basketball. For instance, we're co we had a game
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my son, and we're facing the zone defense. Well, obviously
our guys want to shoot threes. That's what the defense wants,
and we just so happened to jump out to like
a big lead. I noticed our guys were jacking against
the zone, and I'm not one of the I knew
we were gonna win the game. So I was like,
you know, we get to like I'm like, all right, guys,
why don't we do full court pressure, gets some turnovers,
get a lead, and then you can jack your threes.
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So we do that, and we miss a bunch of
threes and they don't really come back. I think they
cut it to like an eight or seven or whatever.
And then we said, I said, okay, guys, we're gonna
run you know, our playmaker right to the foul line
against the two three zone, and you want to do
pivoting and you're shooting or hitting the guy on the
block or kicking it out. And we did that. We
run away and win. And you know, it takes discipline
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to do what Mahomes did to be a game manager
that so many people are gonna get worked up about.
Patrick Mahomes the game manager. He's not throwing down the
ball down the field. But I mean, if you're winning
the Super Bowl by doing that, I've got no problem with.
I don't care. Just win the game. And that's what
Mahomes did. I'll start here, and I'm starting with this
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because I know Chiefs fans are gonna love it. Everybody
loves when I talk about fumble luck. It is a
legitimate thing. So the forty nine Ers fumbled the ball twice.
They lost both fumbles. Mccafrey on the opening drive approaching
the red zone. Fumbles takes points off the board. Then
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the bigger one gives the Chiefs life when they punt
hits the guy on Kansas City in his ankle. The
Kansas City, I'm sorry, hits a forty nine Ers player
in his ankle, and the Chiefs recover and that leads
to a touchdown one play later at MVS. It's like, oh,
game on there it is thirteen, their first lead. Two
fumbles by the Niners, both recovered by the Chiefs. The
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Kansas City Chiefs fumbled the ball five times in the
Super Bowl. The Niners recovered one of them. That, my friends,
is what you call fumble luck. The Pacheco lost fumble
inside the ten huge, But my gosh, you're telling me
none of those others could just happen to fall into
the lap of a forty nine Ers player. Now, one
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of those was the fumbled snap by Mahomes, which was
low and he ended up throwing it in complete pass, And
you could toss that one out. But what about when
Mahomes pitched it to Pacheco. It was not a crisp
pitch hit some Checo in the shoulder pad fumble. Niners
couldn't jump on that. It would have been first down
at the fifteen year In business, fumble luck matters, guys,
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it does. I'm not saying obviously they won the game
because of fumble luck or because Moody missed an extra point. Ultimately,
this to me came down to two super high leverage plays.
Third down, two minute warning. Brock Purty it was third
and I think four. I'll look it up, but I
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think it was like third and four, third and five.
It was a huge play. You knew if they get
and you can't give the ball back to Mahomes, he
probably will not have enough time, so you've got to
go for the jugular. Well, it was right out of
the two minute warning against third and five. What do
you think happened? Spagno Low dials up a huge blitz
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and as he's done all season, playmaker Trent mcduffee forces
Perdy to dough one and it's incomplete and they have
to settle for the Moody fifty three arder, which is fine.
You know, the worst case scenarios you get no points
turnover than you lose a game. It's fine to get
the three. Now, so you get seven, it's probably game over.
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And Perdy on that third and five like he didn't
really have a chance. I mean, listen, mcduffe's one of
the top defensive back blitzers there is in the league.
He's awesome, and he came right through. There's a good
dial up by Spags and then the other one was
on in overtime on the final drive third and four,
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And wouldn't you know at third and four from the
KC nine yard line, Chris Jones gets to Purdy and
he didn't really have a chance. Another heavy blitz from Spagnolo.
So two high leverage plays were sending the kitchen sink
at the young second year quarterback. We're gonna make it,
throw it away, and you know, those are the two
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big plays. And again it's not the end of the world.
It's not like pretty turn the ball over, but they
had to settle for three each time. And I would
say against ninety percent of the league, you take that,
but against Patrick Mahomes it's not good enough. And Mahomes
is inevitable. When he got the ball down three with
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two minutes left, you knew their scoring. You didn't know
if it was three or seven, but you knew they
were scoring. Mahomes he's inevitable. That's what he does. Over time.
Chiefs facing I think they were facing a fourth and one,
and you know, my son's there. There was a lot
of people there, but my son and a bunch of
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kids in his age group. One of them is families
from Kansas City, and I said, what are you doing here?
And what's a play call? And he goes, oh, you
get Mahomes keeper up the middle quarterback sneak. I was like,
you want the ball in your best player's hands, Mahomes
will make a play, And of course Mahomes did the
little roll out thing and he the defensive back had
(08:04):
a choice do I go to Kelsey or do I
tackle Mahomes And he picked Kelsey and Mahomes scrambles for
the first down, and you just knew the Mahomes was
gonna matriculate the ball down the field and deliver, because
that's what he does. He's incredible and the only way
to really beat Mahomes is if you don't give him
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the ball back right or he makes a bad mistake.
And listen, Mahomes was not having a great game. Yes,
he did win another Super Bowl MVP. He didn't. I
didn't think he had a great game. The numbers will
show that. But the interception was horrific, didn't It was
total game manager situation. But in the biggest, high leverage moments,
he delivered, and he delivered down the field. And I'll
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I don't know. I have some questions about the overtime,
like why didn't the clock stop at the is there
no two minute warning in overtime. I don't know, And
it was just unclear since each team had a chance,
did the clock how much did the clock even matter?
The Chiefs seriously didn't seem to care. They were just
letting the clock go. They had a time out, and
if they had not completed the pass to the touchdown
(09:13):
to Hardman, Uh, would they've had to kick a field goal?
I don't know. But they did get the playoff obviously,
and it was a genius call once again. They made
the linebacker decide do you want to guard Kelsey or
do you want to go to Hardman? And you're not
leaving Kelsey. He killed him in the second half, By
the way, the Kelsey under bet that Rufus talked about that,
I bet was looking awesome. He had one catch for
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one yard a halftime. He was getting in Andy Reid's face.
He was so angry. And then of course the zone
to just drat what's the play in Madden where you
just dragged the tight end across? I mean, you could
run that play relentlessly in Madden and it works. It's
like unstoppable, And of course the Chiefs ran it at
nauseam and they could not stop Travis Kelcey, you know,
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in the second half, and he got his and I
don't know alt listen, the Chiefs rode some late stuff
from Mahomes. I thought Spagnolo was incredible with the defense
that he dialed up. I saw this stat so in
four playoff games against four top ten offenses Miami, I
(10:16):
almost want to throw that out because it was in
thirty negative thirty degree weather, but we'll include it. Miami, Buffalo, Baltimore,
San Francisco for elite offenses, and Spagnolo's defense held them
all to a combined sixty three points. You're gonna want
a lot of games when you can contain elite offenses.
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I'll wrap up with this rob this whole idea that oh,
Kyle shanahand sucks. You can't win the begin Kyle Shanahan's
not good. Let's settle down, Okay, Yes, in the fourth quarter,
(12:32):
up twenty to ten. Last time, the defense melted. The
offense may have been sacred two and they lose in
this one. They had multiple chances to run away and hide.
They could not do it. In the first half, the
Chiefs made some adjustments. San Francisco went like I think
five straight possessions without a first down, or maybe it
(12:52):
was four. Had that being said, Shanahan and Purdy got
them the lead. Now Jake Moodyman missing that extra point
was crushing in the fourth quarter. And then when the
Chiefs tie it up, seven plays, forty yards another field goal.
Then in overtime, sixteen plays, thirty three yards, another field goal.
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Like they moved the ball outside of a really long
stretch in the third quarter that let Casey back in
the game. But I didn't think Shanahan was terrible. And
this idea that he can't win the Big Game, No,
he has not won the Big Game. You know who
else did not do well in the Big Game? Don
Shula two and four in Super Bowls? You know who
else didn't do well in Super Bowls? Marv Levy and
Buffalo oh and four. It's a bummer. He's a Hall
of Famer, just didn't go well from in the Super Bowl,
(13:36):
Dan Reeves oh and four in the Super Bowl with
the Broncos and the Falcons. Not everybody's gonna win every
Super Bowl game. Shanahan is now oh to two. It's
not the end of the world. He's lost both to
Patrick Mahomes, who I believe most people consider the goat.
Nobody's considering Kyle Shanahan the goat, not yet, at least
I don't know. Rob. I can't kill Shanahan. I can't
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kill anyone on the Niners. They certainly can't kill Drake Greenlaw,
who suffered. I thought it was an acl but it
might be an achilles jogging onto the field. I've never
seen anything like that at what point Kittle tapped out
with a shoulder issue, Deebo was helped off like. It
was just a rough one for the Niners injury wise,
(14:18):
but ultimately they came up a little short. I can't
imagine that today Rock Party's gonna catch a lot of heat.
But I don't know, Rob, Maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
No, I don't think Rock Perties can catch a lot
of heat. And you know, even a guy like myself
who is a Brock Party truther and will defend him
to no ends, being objective, it'd be hard to put
any kind of blame on Brock Party when Kyle Shanahan
is sitting right there. I know you don't want to
pile on Kyle Shanahan, but I've been saving this take
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all night into the wee hours of the morning. Kyle
Shanahan is the Doc Rivers of the NFL. Oh Okay,
you want to win in the regular season. You want
to have the good vibes as they were. You want
to be consistently competitive and a consistent contender year in
a year out the gosh darn it, Kyle Shanahan's your man.
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He's gonna put together a unique offense. He's gonna call
some really awesome plays. He is gonna utilize the talent
that he has at his disposal better than anybody else
had before or after him. When he has those guys
a La Julio Jones, Matt Ryan, Now you got Brock Perdy,
Deebo Samuel and so on and so forth. Regular season,
Kyle Shanahan's a monster. You get him in the playoffs.
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More specifically, you get him in the Super Bowl, and
he folds like a cheap tent. He is Doc Rivers
of the NFL. Doc Rivers will get you a three
to one lead and then crumble and give it right
back to you. Like I made a joke last week
on the outcome. I know you listened all the night.
I say, you know you can't blow the three to
one lead if you ever get a three win lead.
That's how bad Doc Rivers has been to start off
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this season in Milwaukee. Kyle Shanahan gets to the Super
Bowl now, been there three times once as an OC,
twice as a head coach. There have been seven teams
in Super Bowl history to give up a lead of
at least ten points in the Super Bowl. Kyle Shanahan
has coached three of those teams. Okay, he blew the
twenty eight three lead. Obviously, we know that one large
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one Superowl.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Wait a minute, isn't that damn Quinn? Is that on?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Nope, that's on, Kyle Shanahan. Do not mess with my mojo.
I've been perfect for this one all night. Okay, the
last two against Kansas City, both of them blew ten
point leads, which would be the second largest blown lead
in Super Bowl history according to the ESPN win probability
metric against the uh Okay, the previous Super Bowl ninety
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five point three percent chance of winning when they were
up by ten with seven and a half left. The
Falcons that infamous when ninety nine point six percent chance
of winning they were up by sixteen to nine minutes left,
And then even last night, this one wasn't as egregious,
only an eighty seven point seven percent chance of winning
when they were up by three with six and a
half minutes to go. Between those three Super Bowls, once
as an OC, twice as a head coach, Kyles teams
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have been outscored a combined fifty eight to twelve in
the fourth quarter in overtime. He's not a good big
game coach.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Okay, so wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, holdo, holdo,
hold on, okay, hold fifty eight twelve. Can you just
tell me who were the quarterbacks in those three fourth quarters?
For him or for the opposition, the opposition that he
was going against.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Okay, So Shan's not even a defensive guy, so you
can't totally blame him. Has the offense bogged down against
Belichick and Spagnolo, Yeah, it has. I mean we're talking
all time greats here, Rob, I think.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
We go to agree.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Brady Mahomes are one two all time or one, yeah,
two to one, whatever you goyep. So there's no, there's no,
there's no. You can't feel bad in that. Now. The
Doc Rivers thing sounds good and it's very funny.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I think it's just way over Okay, Yeah, everything, you're
you're correct, right if you're gonna lose anybody, Brady and
Mahomes are two guys that you know, you don't feel
like two ups at about the problem that I have though,
is Kyle Shanahan is talked about like he's one of
the greatest coaches in football history. No, he's a genius.
His last if his name was Kyle Johnson and not
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Kyle Shanahan. I don't even think he gets to this point.
In San Francisco. They started off so poorly in that
era before Jimmy G was traded, Like I think, they
were one of the worst teams in football the first
two and a half seasons trade until Jimmy G got there.
Now they got a loaded roster, some say the best
roster in all of football, and he keeps finding ways
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to come up short. So you can't, on one hand,
be called a genius, one of the great coaches we've
ever seen, and at the same time also be the
author of three of the biggest blown lates in Super
Bowl history. Both statements cannot be true.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
I can't really argue that. I just don't. I don't
know that Shanahan deserves the history tag. I don't know
who's giving it that. I think it's more of like
a in the league right now, I would say, certainly,
without question, he's a top seven, top five coach in
the league. I don't know that I could find more
guys that have won a lot with Jimmy Garoppolo and
(19:13):
Brock Purty who were not first round draft picks, who
are not who would not be considered as like draft
quarterbacks superstars Like Okay, Andy Reid's winning the Patrick Mahomes
We'll wait a minute. Mahomes was the tenth pick. Overall,
there's a lot of those two work together. Who's another exon? Okay,
So whoever coaches Justin Herbert? Like, Okay, you've got Justin
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Frickin Herbert. Shouldn't you win games? The fact that Shanahan's
winning with his QB being not perceived as incredible, I
think is impressive. And yes, has there been postseason issues? True?
But I mean, Rob, the they did push Mahomes to
the brink, Like Mahomes was melting down against we she
Rice on the sideline. I don't know if you guys
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saw that like Mahomes, I'm you know, the numbers will
say three hundred thirty three yards two touchdowns. I mean
it was genius level on the final drive. Yes, I
mean he was in his bag, no doubt. I'm just curious. Rob.
Let's just say Mahomes had stalled and somehow the Niners
had held on twenty two nineteen Super Bowl win. Who's
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the MVP is that McCaffrey or Party.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Oh, it's got to be McCaffrey.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Okay, that's why we were also debating that he had
a total of one sixty yards rushing and receiving, not
a ton of great plays. The touchdown was incredible, by
the way, over two point five players throwing a pass
that was a huge, huge hit, Very nicely done. You're welcome,
But it definitely felt like McCaffrey was very good. Perty.
(20:44):
I don't know what do you grade him in the game,
and you know what do you great Mahomes in the game?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
It was they were the inverse of each other, right,
So Rock Party came on like Gangbusters. They talked about
during the broadcast Tony Romo, who had a very up
and down game in my opinion, I don't talk about
the broadcast, but when you're singing adel to break like
that's probably not ideal.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Was that happening?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
He was humming it along as they're going to break,
and I think he thought they were already in break
and they weren't.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
It just I heard none of the broadcast.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, he was trying to predict plays and he was
getting him wrong every other time. So it's really not
the not the best rung. It was crazy.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
I was actually, you know, I was obviously very invested
in the game, but I was calling out, where's Kittle?
Can you jam him? And then like three times on
pivotal drives, it goes to Kittle and these people are like,
oh my gosh, how did you know that? How did
you see that was coming? And and I kind of
felt romo ish, but then I called I call. I
called a Kelsey pass and it was a genius level
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passed to McKinnon on a I think it was a
third or fourth down. It was third and short, I think,
and it was to McKinnon. I was like, oh, they
used Kelsey to clear out the side and went to
McKinnon like, listen, read out a damn good game. But
but what's your grade? Like if A plus perfection, amazing
historic stuff, I don't think. I didn't think Mahomes was
an A. I definitely, I don't think Party was an A.
(22:01):
I would f would be you know, like you claim
close to getting benched. I don't know. I would give
Purty a B and Mahomes a B plus.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah. I was gonna say Bert Purdy a B minus
because he didn't make the big mistake. Really, Mahomes, you know,
he's tough to grade because you always grade him on
a curve because you're grading him based on just what
he did yesterday. The final numbers look great, thirty four
to forty six three thirty three, two touchdowns plus sixty
six yards rushing in and a pick. But we've seen
him do so much more than that in history. So
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most guy brock perty did that. That's an A plus game.
But because Patrick Mahomes, you kind of feel like you
were wanting more. Maybe you like a if Purdy got
a B minus, maybe Mahomes gets a B plus. But
like you mentioned, he was lights out there on the
final drive. So the last team, last time they faced
these guys in the Super Bowl, was out three or
four years ago. He was terrible for fifty minutes, last
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ten minutes, he was money last ten minutes to that
first Super Bowl eight of thirteen one fourteen two touchdowns.
You mentioned the final drive eight of eight forty two
yards touchdown, twenty seven yards rushing, including two pivotal first downs.
But if you stretch that out to the last ten
minutes of the fourth quarter in overtime, which is where
you went the last ten minutes of the previous Super Bowl.
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He's fourteen of twenty one to seventeen to touchdown, forty
five yards rushing. Four of them were first down. So
when you had to have it, you know, uneven first
three and a half quarters, you know the offense was
getting bogged down. They had a status that they went
like sixteen drives without a touchdown at one point, it
was the longest in his NFL career. But when you
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gotta have it, when the chips are down, you don't
bet against Patrick Mahomes no matter what anyone says, no
matter who's he going against, he finds a way to
get it done. This time, he got it done with
his legs and it culminates with the touchdown pass. But
Patrick Mahomes is is gonna go down as the greatest
quarterback of all time. I don't even think it's a
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debate at this point.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
So it's funny. I just looked at Eagles Chiefs from
last year, so it was Chiefs down twenty seven. Chiefs
were down a lot of that game, and then of
course fourth quarter seventeen points, Chiefs pour it on Patrick
Mahomes's clutch they went touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, field goal in
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the second half against the eagles vaunted defense. The other
thing in this is granular. I was just pulling my
hair out over Steve Wilkes's decision making. First of all,
I'm not I don't think it's a slam Bucki's back
next year. Shanahan seems very perturbed with his play calling.
Like we saw the Ravens pivot to man to man
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defense in the second half, daring Rice and these guys
to beat them, and they could not. The Chiefs could
not get a first down. Wilkes because the pass rush
was so good in the first half. Remember the pass
rush like ran out of gas in the last Super
Bowl against Mahomes, gave him extra time and he ate
him up well, Bosa, it was just a step late.
It seemed like a lot of the time. Chase Young
(25:00):
did have a sack and played okay. The middle of
the line played fine, But in the fourth quarter, when
they're gassed and not getting there, you have to change,
You've got to adapt. And I was to pull my
hair out. Why is he still in his zone and
Kelsey's eating him up. It was just painful to watch,
just giving away five six seven yards equip and Mahomes
is glad I'll take it. Please hand it on over.
(25:22):
I will gladly take that. And it's just like, I
don't know, Rob, I think you have to. We saw
the Chiefs play a lot of man to man corners
who can play man to man and I think the
Niners are gonna have to kind of retool that or
you're gonna just lose to Mahomes every year. This is
what he does. He just crushes man to man And
(25:43):
I don't know. I guess the other one, Rob, I
was gonna say, were you surprised now given the new
overtime rules, were you surprised that San Frean wanted the
ball first? Because there was a lot of debate where
I was at the party saying, well, wait, if both
teams get a crack, don't you want the ball second.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yes, it's very similar to the college rules where it
always favors the team that plays defense first. The only
thing I could think of when they were making that decision,
because I was confused just by the general overtime rules
to begin with, like I'm so used to first team
scores or now it's one team scores. The other team
gets a chance to come back and score, blah blah
(26:23):
blah blah. But then this one, you know, you get
the full it's like a full game worth of overtime,
and you know, it was a lot of convoluted stuff.
Tony Romo try to explain it, but even I didn't
make sense.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
So yeah, let me ask while we're here. I didn't
I could hear what would have happened if time ran out?
Is it over or no? It's like a second quarter,
so the time so the clock didn't mean anything?
Speaker 2 (26:41):
No, Wow, that's yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
It was. He did not do a good job of
a bit.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Did not do a good job explaining that.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
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I don't. I didn't. I didn't love it, I didn't
(28:19):
hate it. I just kind of existed, don't. I don't
know roller skates is that like a thing. I'm not
a huge halftime show guy, and I know this is
going to be the least popular thing I've ever said
on the podcast, I still maintained Rob, I don't laugh.
This is facts in my opinion, facts in my opinion. Okay,
(28:40):
the best halftime show in the last fifteen years was
Katie Perry, probably a decade ago. I just thought she
was at the height of her fame, obviously extremely attractive.
The songs were upbeat and chipper and cool. It was fun.
It had a cal It was you know when California girls. Hey,
you guys can mock me all you want. I thought
Katie Perry obviously very talented singer, and you know, I
(29:03):
just it was a peppy, fun halftime show. I didn't
who was it? Lil John? Is that who it was?
Speaker 2 (29:10):
It was Usher?
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Okay, I didn't know for a few minutes who that
guy was. There was no like tag on the screen
Lil John appearing, and then it was like, oh, there's
ludicrous And I didn't know who the guy was wearing
the weird like pants shirt combo while Usher was putting
on the roller skates. I didn't know who that guy?
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Am?
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Is that who that was? Yeah? Damn, I'm out of
the loop. Maybe I'm not the target audience, So I
don't know what was the reaction from your folks.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Well, I ended up having a low key Super Bowl party.
I ended up watching it at home with the misses
of my little girl. She's a little bit sick, so
we didn't want to game now sick. And look, that
halftime performance was geared towards guys like me, like my
age group. That's exactly who they were targeting, guys and
the men and women in like between thirty two and
(29:54):
forty two, Like that was the demographic. And my wife
and I were talking, it's like, well, first beginning, they'd
leaned way too much into the veguus element of it.
Like you had the side showed do people doing flips?
You know where your eye was supposed to be drawn.
The cameraman is panning out, so you don't even know
that you're focusing on usher. They're showing everybody else. And
then it was like, in an effort to show what
(30:18):
a great showman he is, he distracted from the performance,
and you brought it up the people that he brought out,
Not to say that they're not superstar, because they all are,
but none of them are superstars now. So when you
show them up there without the tagline, I know exactly
who they are.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
But you know, I am.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, so, but if you have people who are above
the forty two or below the thirty two, you might
be like, I know him from somewhere, but like people
under the age of thirty two might not even know
the Ludachris we used to rap because he hasn't put
out like an album that people care. Yeah, he's dead.
The guy from Fast and Furious is up there wrapping
or look at a who's that girl with the tight
(30:57):
You know she's not Beyonce though that was at least shikey.
You know, she also has not put out an album
that people cared about.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah, decade totally recognized her. Initially I thought she was
she was pretty good. I was a little weirded out.
I was like, is she married to Usher? Wise he
all handsy with her, and then everybody said, no, they're
not married.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
I was like, okay, no, Yeah. The thing on Twitter
was that like it because her she's married to a
famous producer, and it's like, oh, he's got it now,
he's got to put hands on Usher now after that,
now that he did that on during the Super Bowl,
he's got to put hand They got to fight out.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
There's not going back so overall a fun game, I see,
I do. I think it would have sparked a better
off season convo if the Niners had won and Purdy
and then maybe Read walks away like that would have
been like interesting. I don't necessarily know that there's a
slam dunk of where do we go from here, because
(31:48):
it's like, oh, Mahomes won again. That's uh, four super
Bowl trips in five years, and I think they've won
three with the loss of the Bucks and Brady, and
it's like, okay, up, the Niners are right there, They'll
be back here again. There's no Party didn't shit his pants,
Party didn't win MVP like he was fine. He's not
(32:10):
the reason they did not win the football game. And
to me, it's just like, okay, onto the next thing,
not like, oh, I just don't see this dragging out
the Mahomes versus Brady stuff is silly and really really
I don't I just don't think there's any point to it.
I think we were on it like last year, and
now people are just gonna drive it into the ground
now and get worn down. Any Taylor Swift thoughts or
(32:33):
Blake Lively, if you.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Will well quickly last week on the radio on Fox
Sports Radio, we were talking about what would be the
best storyline for winners in the Super Bowl, Like what
was something that people would really gravitate towards. And I
didn't get a chance to say because were up against
it with the clock, but I said, the one that
is like way down on the list, Like I any
think of four or five right off the top of
(32:54):
my head that would be better storylines. But the one
they had really low was the Chiefs winning. I'm Patrick
Mahomes because he wins MVP. He's great, there's nothing changing
about that. Yeah, But if you're comparing him to Tom Brady,
like right now, he's not even halfway home yet, Like three,
as much as three super Bowls is great, they got
it in the middle of a dynasty. He has all
(33:14):
the numbers and everything, but three versus seven is still
like a catechclus like it's a it's a golf apart
from these guys, Like it's it's to me the equivalent
of someone saying right now that Steph Curry had a
better NBA career than Kobe And it's like you might
be excited about what you see now and it's fun
to talk about and money. You really break it down,
(33:35):
it's like the difference between the two guys is still
like another Hall of Fame career. So Tom Brady played forever,
so until he gets to four, it's not even really
a real conversation because even Joe Montana was four and
o in the Super Bowl, right.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Yeah, he's like twenty is he twenty eight?
Speaker 2 (33:51):
He's twenty eight, He's twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
He's gonna be playing another decade exactly.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
So that was the one thing. So I would have
just for storyline purposes, like Brock Perdy winning would have
been a better story. Kyle Shanahan winning would have been
a better story, you know. But that's beside the point.
The Taylor Swift Blake. Well, one thing I thought was
funny is before the game, everyone on social media, all
the different outlets, Bleacher Report, ESPN, SI, whatever, published the
(34:17):
video of Taylor Swift arriving to the story. I haven't
seen that she was there like three hours before, so
shout out Taylor Swift. You know, she tailgates like the
rest of us. She wants the pre game before the game.
But what was funny is right next to her, right
behind her in the way in the Walkway in the
Tunnel is as you mentioned, Blake Lively and Ice Spice.
Not a single mention of either one of those two,
(34:37):
who are both famous in their own right, but because
they're with Taylor Swift, they're like the bag handler. I
thought that was kind of fun.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
It's so weird, but Blake Lively been reduced to a
bag handler. Oh my gosh, So you know, I guess.
I don't remember exactly when Gossip Girl was on, but
I was living in New York City and that show
was huge. Taylor Swift was nobody. I don't think at
the time. Blake Lively was like the next hot like
Scarlet Johanson or whatever. And Blake Lively's on a good
(35:03):
TV show. She's been in a lot of movies, and
you're right, she's next to jailestist. It's like, Okay, whoever
that blonde is? And I'm sure people are like googling her.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
But Ice Spicy is she She's the one who's married
to Ryan Reynolds.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yes, yes, so you're like, oh, crazy she. I think
she has like two or three kids. I don't even know.
But the Ice Spice one was funny because you know,
all the young kids know who Ice Spice is. And
it's funny because there's a picture of her with her
back to the camera talking to Jason Kelcey and the
caption some you know wise ass wrote, I really loved
(35:38):
you on this when when you were singing the sun
will come out tomorrow like Ice Spice was hoar fit.
It was funny. But yeah, anyways, so overall, I think
we enjoyed the game. Obviously, it was an intense fourth
quote or not the most eye pleasing game. I know
that the five fumbles one recovered fumble luck is gonna
(35:59):
really hit really hard Chiefs fans who already hate my
guts for merely merely making one Patrick Mahomes dad Bod
joke or picking against them in the Ravens or picking
against them in the super Bowl. By the way, forty
nine Ers first half cash guys, if you've been listening
to the pod for the last two weeks, I thought
that was like my first bet. Forty nine Ers first
(36:19):
half minus one twenty eight hit as I a productive
super Bowl, I was in the green, that wasn't a
lot in the green, but ended the super Bowl on top.
I will be cashing out here and taking these winnings
and going on a vacation soon. Yeah, so you know,
post football season, we unwind and it's ultimately time to
take a vacation. That's coming up soon, but not quite yet.
(36:41):
We are back tomorrow. I'm sure there'll be more fallout
from Taylor Swift. Maybe her and Kelsey will get engaged,
who knows. We'll talk to you then,
The volume. This is straight Fire with Jason McIntire. What
is up, straight firefam, It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight Fire
for Monday, February twelfth. I was torn, ladies and gentlemen
(00:26):
this morning of opening with Oh, what a great super Bowl.
This was so memorable, epic overtime blah blah blah, and
I just I don't know if it was a great game,
a good game, a tense game, an exciting game, maybe
all of the above. All the boxes were checked. I
watched at a buddy's house and a bunch of friends
were over there, you know, and I would I don't
(00:48):
want to say it was evenly split Niners Chiefs fans,
but it was definitely more. Ladies were rooting for the
Chiefs and I was rooting Miners, and they had many
chances to put this game away. They were unable to
do that. I'm not gonna get out here and take
a dump on Kyle Shanahan. I let Rob try to
do that. I certainly am not going to trash Brock.
(01:08):
Perty will get into it. He had, you know, two
very high leverage plays that were massive. Obviously, Patrick Mahomes
was tremendous in the clutch, winning his third Super Bowl
MVP Award. Last week, we talked about how the Sports
Illustrated had the list of the top twenty five greatest
Super Bowl performances Ever. Will this Mahomes performance get down
(01:31):
that list? Like, I know, he converted a couple third downs,
but folks, this is staggering, absolutely crazy. Next Gen Stats
put out the passing chart for Mahomes forty six attempts,
thirty four completions. You know, ended up throwing a lot overtime. Obviously,
he had one pass completion over twenty yards in the
(01:52):
entire game. One the bomb early two. It might have
been hardman where the Niners defensive back kind of lost it.
There was two guys there. The guy in front probably
should have picked it, but he lost the ball in
the air. And then if you want to say, okay, well,
so he's not throwing the ball down the field, fine, fine,
fine compleation in completions of over ten yards, Mahomes just
had five. Okay, so five of his thirty four completions
(02:17):
went beyond ten yards. Everything else dink and dunk short.
I'm gonna give what the defense takes me. On some level,
that is super impressive. The discipline it takes to give
what the defense or take what the defense is giving
you is something Josh Allen cannot do that. A lot
of quarterbacks cannot. They get the yolo. I want to
be a hero, I gotta throw deep. It's just like
in basketball. For instance, we're co we had a game
(02:39):
my son, and we're facing the zone defense. Well, obviously
our guys want to shoot threes. That's what the defense wants,
and we just so happened to jump out to like
a big lead. I noticed our guys were jacking against
the zone, and I'm not one of the I knew
we were gonna win the game. So I was like,
you know, we get to like I'm like, all right, guys,
why don't we do full court pressure, gets some turnovers,
get a lead, and then you can jack your threes.
(02:59):
So we do that, and we miss a bunch of
threes and they don't really come back. I think they
cut it to like an eight or seven or whatever.
And then we said, I said, okay, guys, we're gonna
run you know, our playmaker right to the foul line
against the two three zone, and you want to do
pivoting and you're shooting or hitting the guy on the
block or kicking it out. And we did that. We
run away and win. And you know, it takes discipline
(03:22):
to do what Mahomes did to be a game manager
that so many people are gonna get worked up about.
Patrick Mahomes the game manager. He's not throwing down the
ball down the field. But I mean, if you're winning
the Super Bowl by doing that, I've got no problem with.
I don't care. Just win the game. And that's what
Mahomes did. I'll start here, and I'm starting with this
(03:43):
because I know Chiefs fans are gonna love it. Everybody
loves when I talk about fumble luck. It is a
legitimate thing. So the forty nine Ers fumbled the ball twice.
They lost both fumbles. Mccafrey on the opening drive approaching
the red zone. Fumbles takes points off the board. Then
(04:05):
the bigger one gives the Chiefs life when they punt
hits the guy on Kansas City in his ankle. The
Kansas City, I'm sorry, hits a forty nine Ers player
in his ankle, and the Chiefs recover and that leads
to a touchdown one play later at MVS. It's like, oh,
game on there it is thirteen, their first lead. Two
fumbles by the Niners, both recovered by the Chiefs. The
(04:27):
Kansas City Chiefs fumbled the ball five times in the
Super Bowl. The Niners recovered one of them. That, my friends,
is what you call fumble luck. The Pacheco lost fumble
inside the ten huge, But my gosh, you're telling me
none of those others could just happen to fall into
the lap of a forty nine Ers player. Now, one
(04:49):
of those was the fumbled snap by Mahomes, which was
low and he ended up throwing it in complete pass, And
you could toss that one out. But what about when
Mahomes pitched it to Pacheco. It was not a crisp
pitch hit some Checo in the shoulder pad fumble. Niners
couldn't jump on that. It would have been first down
at the fifteen year In business, fumble luck matters, guys,
(05:11):
it does. I'm not saying obviously they won the game
because of fumble luck or because Moody missed an extra point. Ultimately,
this to me came down to two super high leverage plays.
Third down, two minute warning. Brock Purty it was third
and I think four. I'll look it up, but I
(05:33):
think it was like third and four, third and five.
It was a huge play. You knew if they get
and you can't give the ball back to Mahomes, he
probably will not have enough time, so you've got to
go for the jugular. Well, it was right out of
the two minute warning against third and five. What do
you think happened? Spagno Low dials up a huge blitz
(05:59):
and as he's done all season, playmaker Trent mcduffee forces
Perdy to dough one and it's incomplete and they have
to settle for the Moody fifty three arder, which is fine.
You know, the worst case scenarios you get no points
turnover than you lose a game. It's fine to get
the three. Now, so you get seven, it's probably game over.
(06:19):
And Perdy on that third and five like he didn't
really have a chance. I mean, listen, mcduffe's one of
the top defensive back blitzers there is in the league.
He's awesome, and he came right through. There's a good
dial up by Spags and then the other one was
on in overtime on the final drive third and four,
(06:40):
And wouldn't you know at third and four from the
KC nine yard line, Chris Jones gets to Purdy and
he didn't really have a chance. Another heavy blitz from Spagnolo.
So two high leverage plays were sending the kitchen sink
at the young second year quarterback. We're gonna make it,
throw it away, and you know, those are the two
(07:01):
big plays. And again it's not the end of the world.
It's not like pretty turn the ball over, but they
had to settle for three each time. And I would
say against ninety percent of the league, you take that,
but against Patrick Mahomes it's not good enough. And Mahomes
is inevitable. When he got the ball down three with
(07:22):
two minutes left, you knew their scoring. You didn't know
if it was three or seven, but you knew they
were scoring. Mahomes he's inevitable. That's what he does. Over time.
Chiefs facing I think they were facing a fourth and one,
and you know, my son's there. There was a lot
of people there, but my son and a bunch of
(07:42):
kids in his age group. One of them is families
from Kansas City, and I said, what are you doing here?
And what's a play call? And he goes, oh, you
get Mahomes keeper up the middle quarterback sneak. I was like,
you want the ball in your best player's hands, Mahomes
will make a play, And of course Mahomes did the
little roll out thing and he the defensive back had
(08:04):
a choice do I go to Kelsey or do I
tackle Mahomes And he picked Kelsey and Mahomes scrambles for
the first down, and you just knew the Mahomes was
gonna matriculate the ball down the field and deliver, because
that's what he does. He's incredible and the only way
to really beat Mahomes is if you don't give him
(08:26):
the ball back right or he makes a bad mistake.
And listen, Mahomes was not having a great game. Yes,
he did win another Super Bowl MVP. He didn't. I
didn't think he had a great game. The numbers will
show that. But the interception was horrific, didn't It was
total game manager situation. But in the biggest, high leverage moments,
he delivered, and he delivered down the field. And I'll
(08:50):
I don't know. I have some questions about the overtime,
like why didn't the clock stop at the is there
no two minute warning in overtime. I don't know, And
it was just unclear since each team had a chance,
did the clock how much did the clock even matter?
The Chiefs seriously didn't seem to care. They were just
letting the clock go. They had a time out, and
if they had not completed the pass to the touchdown
(09:13):
to Hardman, Uh, would they've had to kick a field goal?
I don't know. But they did get the playoff obviously,
and it was a genius call once again. They made
the linebacker decide do you want to guard Kelsey or
do you want to go to Hardman? And you're not
leaving Kelsey. He killed him in the second half, By
the way, the Kelsey under bet that Rufus talked about that,
I bet was looking awesome. He had one catch for
(09:35):
one yard a halftime. He was getting in Andy Reid's face.
He was so angry. And then of course the zone
to just drat what's the play in Madden where you
just dragged the tight end across? I mean, you could
run that play relentlessly in Madden and it works. It's
like unstoppable, And of course the Chiefs ran it at
nauseam and they could not stop Travis Kelcey, you know,
(09:56):
in the second half, and he got his and I
don't know alt listen, the Chiefs rode some late stuff
from Mahomes. I thought Spagnolo was incredible with the defense
that he dialed up. I saw this stat so in
four playoff games against four top ten offenses Miami, I
(10:16):
almost want to throw that out because it was in
thirty negative thirty degree weather, but we'll include it. Miami, Buffalo, Baltimore,
San Francisco for elite offenses, and Spagnolo's defense held them
all to a combined sixty three points. You're gonna want
a lot of games when you can contain elite offenses.
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I'll wrap up with this rob this whole idea that oh,
Kyle shanahand sucks. You can't win the begin Kyle Shanahan's
not good. Let's settle down, Okay, Yes, in the fourth quarter,
(12:32):
up twenty to ten. Last time, the defense melted. The
offense may have been sacred two and they lose in
this one. They had multiple chances to run away and hide.
They could not do it. In the first half, the
Chiefs made some adjustments. San Francisco went like I think
five straight possessions without a first down, or maybe it
(12:52):
was four. Had that being said, Shanahan and Purdy got
them the lead. Now Jake Moodyman missing that extra point
was crushing in the fourth quarter. And then when the
Chiefs tie it up, seven plays, forty yards another field goal.
Then in overtime, sixteen plays, thirty three yards, another field goal.
(13:12):
Like they moved the ball outside of a really long
stretch in the third quarter that let Casey back in
the game. But I didn't think Shanahan was terrible. And
this idea that he can't win the Big Game, No,
he has not won the Big Game. You know who
else did not do well in the Big Game? Don
Shula two and four in Super Bowls? You know who
else didn't do well in Super Bowls? Marv Levy and
Buffalo oh and four. It's a bummer. He's a Hall
of Famer, just didn't go well from in the Super Bowl,
(13:36):
Dan Reeves oh and four in the Super Bowl with
the Broncos and the Falcons. Not everybody's gonna win every
Super Bowl game. Shanahan is now oh to two. It's
not the end of the world. He's lost both to
Patrick Mahomes, who I believe most people consider the goat.
Nobody's considering Kyle Shanahan the goat, not yet, at least
I don't know. Rob. I can't kill Shanahan. I can't
(13:57):
kill anyone on the Niners. They certainly can't kill Drake Greenlaw,
who suffered. I thought it was an acl but it
might be an achilles jogging onto the field. I've never
seen anything like that at what point Kittle tapped out
with a shoulder issue, Deebo was helped off like. It
was just a rough one for the Niners injury wise,
(14:18):
but ultimately they came up a little short. I can't
imagine that today Rock Party's gonna catch a lot of heat.
But I don't know, Rob, Maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
No, I don't think Rock Perties can catch a lot
of heat. And you know, even a guy like myself
who is a Brock Party truther and will defend him
to no ends, being objective, it'd be hard to put
any kind of blame on Brock Party when Kyle Shanahan
is sitting right there. I know you don't want to
pile on Kyle Shanahan, but I've been saving this take
(14:49):
all night into the wee hours of the morning. Kyle
Shanahan is the Doc Rivers of the NFL. Oh Okay,
you want to win in the regular season. You want
to have the good vibes as they were. You want
to be consistently competitive and a consistent contender year in
a year out the gosh darn it, Kyle Shanahan's your man.
(15:09):
He's gonna put together a unique offense. He's gonna call
some really awesome plays. He is gonna utilize the talent
that he has at his disposal better than anybody else
had before or after him. When he has those guys
a La Julio Jones, Matt Ryan, Now you got Brock Perdy,
Deebo Samuel and so on and so forth. Regular season,
Kyle Shanahan's a monster. You get him in the playoffs.
(15:32):
More specifically, you get him in the Super Bowl, and
he folds like a cheap tent. He is Doc Rivers
of the NFL. Doc Rivers will get you a three
to one lead and then crumble and give it right
back to you. Like I made a joke last week
on the outcome. I know you listened all the night.
I say, you know you can't blow the three to
one lead if you ever get a three win lead.
That's how bad Doc Rivers has been to start off
(15:53):
this season in Milwaukee. Kyle Shanahan gets to the Super
Bowl now, been there three times once as an OC,
twice as a head coach. There have been seven teams
in Super Bowl history to give up a lead of
at least ten points in the Super Bowl. Kyle Shanahan
has coached three of those teams. Okay, he blew the
twenty eight three lead. Obviously, we know that one large
(16:14):
one Superowl.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Wait a minute, isn't that damn Quinn? Is that on?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Nope, that's on, Kyle Shanahan. Do not mess with my mojo.
I've been perfect for this one all night. Okay, the
last two against Kansas City, both of them blew ten
point leads, which would be the second largest blown lead
in Super Bowl history according to the ESPN win probability
metric against the uh Okay, the previous Super Bowl ninety
(16:37):
five point three percent chance of winning when they were
up by ten with seven and a half left. The
Falcons that infamous when ninety nine point six percent chance
of winning they were up by sixteen to nine minutes left,
And then even last night, this one wasn't as egregious,
only an eighty seven point seven percent chance of winning
when they were up by three with six and a
half minutes to go. Between those three Super Bowls, once
as an OC, twice as a head coach, Kyles teams
(17:00):
have been outscored a combined fifty eight to twelve in
the fourth quarter in overtime. He's not a good big
game coach.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Okay, so wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, holdo, holdo,
hold on, okay, hold fifty eight twelve. Can you just
tell me who were the quarterbacks in those three fourth quarters?
For him or for the opposition, the opposition that he
was going against.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Okay, So Shan's not even a defensive guy, so you
can't totally blame him. Has the offense bogged down against
Belichick and Spagnolo, Yeah, it has. I mean we're talking
all time greats here, Rob, I think.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
We go to agree.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Brady Mahomes are one two all time or one, yeah,
two to one, whatever you goyep. So there's no, there's no,
there's no. You can't feel bad in that. Now. The
Doc Rivers thing sounds good and it's very funny.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I think it's just way over Okay, Yeah, everything, you're
you're correct, right if you're gonna lose anybody, Brady and
Mahomes are two guys that you know, you don't feel
like two ups at about the problem that I have though,
is Kyle Shanahan is talked about like he's one of
the greatest coaches in football history. No, he's a genius.
His last if his name was Kyle Johnson and not
(18:13):
Kyle Shanahan. I don't even think he gets to this point.
In San Francisco. They started off so poorly in that
era before Jimmy G was traded, Like I think, they
were one of the worst teams in football the first
two and a half seasons trade until Jimmy G got there.
Now they got a loaded roster, some say the best
roster in all of football, and he keeps finding ways
(18:35):
to come up short. So you can't, on one hand,
be called a genius, one of the great coaches we've
ever seen, and at the same time also be the
author of three of the biggest blown lates in Super
Bowl history. Both statements cannot be true.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
I can't really argue that. I just don't. I don't
know that Shanahan deserves the history tag. I don't know
who's giving it that. I think it's more of like
a in the league right now, I would say, certainly,
without question, he's a top seven, top five coach in
the league. I don't know that I could find more
guys that have won a lot with Jimmy Garoppolo and
(19:13):
Brock Purty who were not first round draft picks, who
are not who would not be considered as like draft
quarterbacks superstars Like Okay, Andy Reid's winning the Patrick Mahomes
We'll wait a minute. Mahomes was the tenth pick. Overall,
there's a lot of those two work together. Who's another exon? Okay,
So whoever coaches Justin Herbert? Like, Okay, you've got Justin
(19:34):
Frickin Herbert. Shouldn't you win games? The fact that Shanahan's
winning with his QB being not perceived as incredible, I
think is impressive. And yes, has there been postseason issues? True?
But I mean, Rob, the they did push Mahomes to
the brink, Like Mahomes was melting down against we she
Rice on the sideline. I don't know if you guys
(19:55):
saw that like Mahomes, I'm you know, the numbers will
say three hundred thirty three yards two touchdowns. I mean
it was genius level on the final drive. Yes, I
mean he was in his bag, no doubt. I'm just curious. Rob.
Let's just say Mahomes had stalled and somehow the Niners
had held on twenty two nineteen Super Bowl win. Who's
(20:17):
the MVP is that McCaffrey or Party.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Oh, it's got to be McCaffrey.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Okay, that's why we were also debating that he had
a total of one sixty yards rushing and receiving, not
a ton of great plays. The touchdown was incredible, by
the way, over two point five players throwing a pass
that was a huge, huge hit, Very nicely done. You're welcome,
But it definitely felt like McCaffrey was very good. Perty.
(20:44):
I don't know what do you grade him in the game,
and you know what do you great Mahomes in the game?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
It was they were the inverse of each other, right,
So Rock Party came on like Gangbusters. They talked about
during the broadcast Tony Romo, who had a very up
and down game in my opinion, I don't talk about
the broadcast, but when you're singing adel to break like
that's probably not ideal.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Was that happening?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
He was humming it along as they're going to break,
and I think he thought they were already in break
and they weren't.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
It just I heard none of the broadcast.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, he was trying to predict plays and he was
getting him wrong every other time. So it's really not
the not the best rung. It was crazy.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
I was actually, you know, I was obviously very invested
in the game, but I was calling out, where's Kittle?
Can you jam him? And then like three times on
pivotal drives, it goes to Kittle and these people are like,
oh my gosh, how did you know that? How did
you see that was coming? And and I kind of
felt romo ish, but then I called I call. I
called a Kelsey pass and it was a genius level
(21:40):
passed to McKinnon on a I think it was a
third or fourth down. It was third and short, I think,
and it was to McKinnon. I was like, oh, they
used Kelsey to clear out the side and went to
McKinnon like, listen, read out a damn good game. But
but what's your grade? Like if A plus perfection, amazing
historic stuff, I don't think. I didn't think Mahomes was
an A. I definitely, I don't think Party was an A.
(22:01):
I would f would be you know, like you claim
close to getting benched. I don't know. I would give
Purty a B and Mahomes a B plus.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah. I was gonna say Bert Purdy a B minus
because he didn't make the big mistake. Really, Mahomes, you know,
he's tough to grade because you always grade him on
a curve because you're grading him based on just what
he did yesterday. The final numbers look great, thirty four
to forty six three thirty three, two touchdowns plus sixty
six yards rushing in and a pick. But we've seen
him do so much more than that in history. So
(22:32):
most guy brock perty did that. That's an A plus game.
But because Patrick Mahomes, you kind of feel like you
were wanting more. Maybe you like a if Purdy got
a B minus, maybe Mahomes gets a B plus. But
like you mentioned, he was lights out there on the
final drive. So the last team, last time they faced
these guys in the Super Bowl, was out three or
four years ago. He was terrible for fifty minutes, last
(22:53):
ten minutes, he was money last ten minutes to that
first Super Bowl eight of thirteen one fourteen two touchdowns.
You mentioned the final drive eight of eight forty two
yards touchdown, twenty seven yards rushing, including two pivotal first downs.
But if you stretch that out to the last ten
minutes of the fourth quarter in overtime, which is where
you went the last ten minutes of the previous Super Bowl.
(23:13):
He's fourteen of twenty one to seventeen to touchdown, forty
five yards rushing. Four of them were first down. So
when you had to have it, you know, uneven first
three and a half quarters, you know the offense was
getting bogged down. They had a status that they went
like sixteen drives without a touchdown at one point, it
was the longest in his NFL career. But when you
(23:33):
gotta have it, when the chips are down, you don't
bet against Patrick Mahomes no matter what anyone says, no
matter who's he going against, he finds a way to
get it done. This time, he got it done with
his legs and it culminates with the touchdown pass. But
Patrick Mahomes is is gonna go down as the greatest
quarterback of all time. I don't even think it's a
(23:54):
debate at this point.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
So it's funny. I just looked at Eagles Chiefs from
last year, so it was Chiefs down twenty seven. Chiefs
were down a lot of that game, and then of
course fourth quarter seventeen points, Chiefs pour it on Patrick
Mahomes's clutch they went touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, field goal in
(24:17):
the second half against the eagles vaunted defense. The other
thing in this is granular. I was just pulling my
hair out over Steve Wilkes's decision making. First of all,
I'm not I don't think it's a slam Bucki's back
next year. Shanahan seems very perturbed with his play calling.
Like we saw the Ravens pivot to man to man
(24:38):
defense in the second half, daring Rice and these guys
to beat them, and they could not. The Chiefs could
not get a first down. Wilkes because the pass rush
was so good in the first half. Remember the pass
rush like ran out of gas in the last Super
Bowl against Mahomes, gave him extra time and he ate
him up well, Bosa, it was just a step late.
It seemed like a lot of the time. Chase Young
(25:00):
did have a sack and played okay. The middle of
the line played fine, But in the fourth quarter, when
they're gassed and not getting there, you have to change,
You've got to adapt. And I was to pull my
hair out. Why is he still in his zone and
Kelsey's eating him up. It was just painful to watch,
just giving away five six seven yards equip and Mahomes
is glad I'll take it. Please hand it on over.
(25:22):
I will gladly take that. And it's just like, I
don't know, Rob, I think you have to. We saw
the Chiefs play a lot of man to man corners
who can play man to man and I think the
Niners are gonna have to kind of retool that or
you're gonna just lose to Mahomes every year. This is
what he does. He just crushes man to man And
(25:43):
I don't know. I guess the other one, Rob, I
was gonna say, were you surprised now given the new
overtime rules, were you surprised that San Frean wanted the
ball first? Because there was a lot of debate where
I was at the party saying, well, wait, if both
teams get a crack, don't you want the ball second.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yes, it's very similar to the college rules where it
always favors the team that plays defense first. The only
thing I could think of when they were making that decision,
because I was confused just by the general overtime rules
to begin with, like I'm so used to first team
scores or now it's one team scores. The other team
gets a chance to come back and score, blah blah
(26:23):
blah blah. But then this one, you know, you get
the full it's like a full game worth of overtime,
and you know, it was a lot of convoluted stuff.
Tony Romo try to explain it, but even I didn't
make sense.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
So yeah, let me ask while we're here. I didn't
I could hear what would have happened if time ran out?
Is it over or no? It's like a second quarter,
so the time so the clock didn't mean anything?
Speaker 2 (26:41):
No, Wow, that's yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
It was. He did not do a good job of
a bit.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Did not do a good job explaining that.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
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I don't. I didn't. I didn't love it, I didn't
(28:19):
hate it. I just kind of existed, don't. I don't
know roller skates is that like a thing. I'm not
a huge halftime show guy, and I know this is
going to be the least popular thing I've ever said
on the podcast, I still maintained Rob, I don't laugh.
This is facts in my opinion, facts in my opinion. Okay,
(28:40):
the best halftime show in the last fifteen years was
Katie Perry, probably a decade ago. I just thought she
was at the height of her fame, obviously extremely attractive.
The songs were upbeat and chipper and cool. It was fun.
It had a cal It was you know when California girls. Hey,
you guys can mock me all you want. I thought
Katie Perry obviously very talented singer, and you know, I
(29:03):
just it was a peppy, fun halftime show. I didn't
who was it? Lil John? Is that who it was?
Speaker 2 (29:10):
It was Usher?
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Okay, I didn't know for a few minutes who that
guy was. There was no like tag on the screen
Lil John appearing, and then it was like, oh, there's
ludicrous And I didn't know who the guy was wearing
the weird like pants shirt combo while Usher was putting
on the roller skates. I didn't know who that guy?
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Am?
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Is that who that was? Yeah? Damn, I'm out of
the loop. Maybe I'm not the target audience, So I
don't know what was the reaction from your folks.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Well, I ended up having a low key Super Bowl party.
I ended up watching it at home with the misses
of my little girl. She's a little bit sick, so
we didn't want to game now sick. And look, that
halftime performance was geared towards guys like me, like my
age group. That's exactly who they were targeting, guys and
the men and women in like between thirty two and
(29:54):
forty two, Like that was the demographic. And my wife
and I were talking, it's like, well, first beginning, they'd
leaned way too much into the veguus element of it.
Like you had the side showed do people doing flips?
You know where your eye was supposed to be drawn.
The cameraman is panning out, so you don't even know
that you're focusing on usher. They're showing everybody else. And
then it was like, in an effort to show what
(30:18):
a great showman he is, he distracted from the performance,
and you brought it up the people that he brought out,
Not to say that they're not superstar, because they all are,
but none of them are superstars now. So when you
show them up there without the tagline, I know exactly
who they are.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
But you know, I am.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, so, but if you have people who are above
the forty two or below the thirty two, you might
be like, I know him from somewhere, but like people
under the age of thirty two might not even know
the Ludachris we used to rap because he hasn't put
out like an album that people care. Yeah, he's dead.
The guy from Fast and Furious is up there wrapping
or look at a who's that girl with the tight
(30:57):
You know she's not Beyonce though that was at least shikey.
You know, she also has not put out an album
that people cared about.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah, decade totally recognized her. Initially I thought she was
she was pretty good. I was a little weirded out.
I was like, is she married to Usher? Wise he
all handsy with her, and then everybody said, no, they're
not married.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
I was like, okay, no, Yeah. The thing on Twitter
was that like it because her she's married to a
famous producer, and it's like, oh, he's got it now,
he's got to put hands on Usher now after that,
now that he did that on during the Super Bowl,
he's got to put hand They got to fight out.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
There's not going back so overall a fun game, I see,
I do. I think it would have sparked a better
off season convo if the Niners had won and Purdy
and then maybe Read walks away like that would have
been like interesting. I don't necessarily know that there's a
slam dunk of where do we go from here, because
(31:48):
it's like, oh, Mahomes won again. That's uh, four super
Bowl trips in five years, and I think they've won
three with the loss of the Bucks and Brady, and
it's like, okay, up, the Niners are right there, They'll
be back here again. There's no Party didn't shit his pants,
Party didn't win MVP like he was fine. He's not
(32:10):
the reason they did not win the football game. And
to me, it's just like, okay, onto the next thing,
not like, oh, I just don't see this dragging out
the Mahomes versus Brady stuff is silly and really really
I don't I just don't think there's any point to it.
I think we were on it like last year, and
now people are just gonna drive it into the ground
now and get worn down. Any Taylor Swift thoughts or
(32:33):
Blake Lively, if you.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Will well quickly last week on the radio on Fox
Sports Radio, we were talking about what would be the
best storyline for winners in the Super Bowl, Like what
was something that people would really gravitate towards. And I
didn't get a chance to say because were up against
it with the clock, but I said, the one that
is like way down on the list, Like I any
think of four or five right off the top of
(32:54):
my head that would be better storylines. But the one
they had really low was the Chiefs winning. I'm Patrick
Mahomes because he wins MVP. He's great, there's nothing changing
about that. Yeah, But if you're comparing him to Tom Brady,
like right now, he's not even halfway home yet, Like three,
as much as three super Bowls is great, they got
it in the middle of a dynasty. He has all
(33:14):
the numbers and everything, but three versus seven is still
like a catechclus like it's a it's a golf apart
from these guys, Like it's it's to me the equivalent
of someone saying right now that Steph Curry had a
better NBA career than Kobe And it's like you might
be excited about what you see now and it's fun
to talk about and money. You really break it down,
(33:35):
it's like the difference between the two guys is still
like another Hall of Fame career. So Tom Brady played forever,
so until he gets to four, it's not even really
a real conversation because even Joe Montana was four and
o in the Super Bowl, right.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Yeah, he's like twenty is he twenty eight?
Speaker 2 (33:51):
He's twenty eight, He's twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
He's gonna be playing another decade exactly.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
So that was the one thing. So I would have
just for storyline purposes, like Brock Perdy winning would have
been a better story. Kyle Shanahan winning would have been
a better story, you know. But that's beside the point.
The Taylor Swift Blake. Well, one thing I thought was
funny is before the game, everyone on social media, all
the different outlets, Bleacher Report, ESPN, SI, whatever, published the
(34:17):
video of Taylor Swift arriving to the story. I haven't
seen that she was there like three hours before, so
shout out Taylor Swift. You know, she tailgates like the
rest of us. She wants the pre game before the game.
But what was funny is right next to her, right
behind her in the way in the Walkway in the
Tunnel is as you mentioned, Blake Lively and Ice Spice.
Not a single mention of either one of those two,
(34:37):
who are both famous in their own right, but because
they're with Taylor Swift, they're like the bag handler. I
thought that was kind of fun.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
It's so weird, but Blake Lively been reduced to a
bag handler. Oh my gosh, So you know, I guess.
I don't remember exactly when Gossip Girl was on, but
I was living in New York City and that show
was huge. Taylor Swift was nobody. I don't think at
the time. Blake Lively was like the next hot like
Scarlet Johanson or whatever. And Blake Lively's on a good
(35:03):
TV show. She's been in a lot of movies, and
you're right, she's next to jailestist. It's like, Okay, whoever
that blonde is? And I'm sure people are like googling her.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
But Ice Spicy is she She's the one who's married
to Ryan Reynolds.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yes, yes, so you're like, oh, crazy she. I think
she has like two or three kids. I don't even know.
But the Ice Spice one was funny because you know,
all the young kids know who Ice Spice is. And
it's funny because there's a picture of her with her
back to the camera talking to Jason Kelcey and the
caption some you know wise ass wrote, I really loved
(35:38):
you on this when when you were singing the sun
will come out tomorrow like Ice Spice was hoar fit.
It was funny. But yeah, anyways, so overall, I think
we enjoyed the game. Obviously, it was an intense fourth
quote or not the most eye pleasing game. I know
that the five fumbles one recovered fumble luck is gonna
(35:59):
really hit really hard Chiefs fans who already hate my
guts for merely merely making one Patrick Mahomes dad Bod
joke or picking against them in the Ravens or picking
against them in the super Bowl. By the way, forty
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to the pod for the last two weeks, I thought
that was like my first bet. Forty nine Ers first
(36:19):
half minus one twenty eight hit as I a productive
super Bowl, I was in the green, that wasn't a
lot in the green, but ended the super Bowl on top.
I will be cashing out here and taking these winnings
and going on a vacation soon. Yeah, so you know,
post football season, we unwind and it's ultimately time to
take a vacation. That's coming up soon, but not quite yet.
(36:41):
We are back tomorrow. I'm sure there'll be more fallout
from Taylor Swift. Maybe her and Kelsey will get engaged,
who knows. We'll talk to you then,
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