December 18, 2023 • 47 mins
On today’s episode, Jason discusses what the Dallas Cowboys’ embarrassing road loss to the Buffalo Bills says about their long-term outlook as a potential Super Bowl contender (3:05), why Brock Purdy should be viewed as the heavy favorite to win the NFL MVP award (21:24), the narrative that Trevor Lawrence isn’t as good as his reputation would suggest (27:09), whether or not Baker Mayfield has proven to be a franchise-caliber quarterback this season in Tampa (41:37), if Antonio Pierce has shown enough to earn the permanent head coaching gig with the Las Vegas Raiders (47:36) and much more! Finally, J-Mac closes the show with his Best Bet for the Monday Night Football game between the Philadelphia Eagles and Seattle Seahawks (51:26).
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up
Straight Firefam? It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight Fire for Monday,
December eighteenth. We are one week away from Christmas. I'm
so excited. Obviously there will be no Christmas podcast. We
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do have to do the Herd on the twenty sixth.
I gotta check the schedule on the twenty fifth. I'd
rather not record on Christmas night. I'm sure Rob would
not want to, but I guess we'll cross that bridge
a little later in the week. Gotta start the podcast
on a massive, massive positive, like what a monster weekness
was in gambling four and one in the contest, but
I feel like our guest Adam Churnoff gave out a
(00:52):
million winners. The only miss was that Rams Commander's over Frickin'
Rams and Kyrien Williams and his fumbles missed. I think
it was forty nine and fifty with the numbers, I
got it landed forty eight. If Washington, I mean Rivera
goes to kick it gets blocked. They're making fun of
him because he didn't go for two like the analytics
say you're opposed to. Then I would have got a
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hit and a push whatever. You can't win them all,
but I tell I thought I was gonna win everything.
Just an amazing weekend. Unbelievably won both of our fantasy matchups.
One of them. I had to start Nick Mullins and
somebody named Wix on the Packers. I don't even know
his first name, but Rob g'z Raiders came through me, huge,
huge on Thursday night. Rob hasn't got a chance to
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chime in. Maybe we'll touch on the Raiders later, but
we obviously have to start the week fifteen podcasts where
the favorites when a staggering ten to three and two
against the spread, favors just continue to dominate. And that
includes the Buffalo Bills, who took the Dallas Cowboys out
behind the woodshed and gave them a beatdown. I mean, folks,
this was over early third quarter. You could say half,
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but you never want to rule anybody out. The Dallas
Cowboys get smoked, and a lot of questions begin to swirl.
I mashed on the brakes, you know, right after the game, like,
oh boy, they got problems. And then you know, some
sanity prevails and you're like, all right, it's not the end.
Of the world for Dallas. Buffalo looked like a train
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and Dallas was just unlucky. They look like those videos
you know where like there's a car stuck on the
train tracks and everybody gets out of the car and
then the train just comes through. It just destroys it.
Like that's what happened to the Dallas Cowboys. I mean
James Cook running wild. I mean the guy had two
hundred and twenty one scrimmageyards. The Cowboys had not allowed
a one hundred yard rusher this season. James Cook, Dalvin's
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little brother, had one hundred at halftime the game of
his career, and the Cowboys were never in it. Now
here's the scary part. Okay, all week I told you
putting its everywhere, said listen, Dallas outdoors, they're not friendly
confines of being at home. Keep an eye on his
Buffalo team. We talked the last two weeks about betting
on Buffalo to when the AFS East Buffalo to make
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the playoff, Buffalo to come out of the AFC, And
you can't argue. After a dismantling of a red hot
Cowboys team where Josh Allen completed seven passes for ninety
four yards. He joked after the game that he was
the kid who was part of the school project who
didn't contribute anything, and the team got an a I
know you've all been there. I've been there, but not
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I wasn't really one of those guys. Just a thorough
beat down. The Dallas Cowboys through three quarters had ninety
two yards of total offense. I have here in the notes,
worst in a game since twenty ten. And here's where
it gets a little scary. So I'll get positive and
a second Cowboys fans relax. So part of the pressure
on Dak Prescott was like they were getting home with
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a four man rush. Zach Martin left the game hurt.
Obviously that's big. But when you get home with four
guys and get sacks on third down because you're confusing
Dak in the secondary, mixing up zone and man like
that ain't good. Dak looked confused. Everybody's killed and I
had to like stop looking at Twitter during the game
because Everybody's like, oh, Cam Newton was right, he's a
(04:05):
game manager. And then like to the first first two
Jibbroni's I was like, yeah, Rock Purty too, I'm Jared
GoF yesterday as well. I didn't say anything, and then
you know the torn of diarrhea comes out of these guys.
Bounce Dak. How about this one. Dak is now six
and thirteen in his career on the road against teams
over five hundred, six and thirteen. Now you could say, okay,
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his career has span many years. Who cares? Okay, fine,
you know what, pick yourself up off the mat, head
down to Miami this weekend on the road against the
team over five hundred. Miami took apart. My jets eliminated them.
We're not doing jets on this podcast. I don't give
a shit about that team right now. Nobody cares about them.
They stink. They missed the playoffs again, good riddance. One
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other note before Rob t gets all excited about this
Buffalo Bill's juggernaut, there was someone missing on the cowb
who kind of mattered. His name is mister Hankins, and
I know he's not the MVP of the team. He's
not even a top two or three defensive player. Everybody
talks about Bland, everybody talks about Michael Parsons. Hankins is
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their big DT, their big run stopper. In the middle.
He is a factor. He missed the game with a
knee injury, and it looked shaky stopping the run. Now,
you could also argue Dallas as I think Glaser was
the first to report this. A big flu bug swept
through the Cowboys team and like maybe half a dozen
dozen guys were impacted. Listen, it's this time of the year.
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Everybody gets sick. You know, you're not one hundred percent.
You try to plow through it. It's me, it's one
thing for me, like a rec league basketball guy playing
in men's leagues or playing pickup on weekends. I'm sick,
but I'm gonna play through it. And it's fine. You
play for an hour or two whatever. It's not the
end of the world, you know what, It's just another day.
This is the NFL, Like, you know, sixty minutes, lots
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of money at stake, lots on the line, probably twenty
five million people watching. Like, that's tough when you're sick
and down to dumps. I'm not I'm not making excuses
for the Cowboys. Buffalo beat their ass, But when you
factor in the Hankins missing in the middle and Buffalo
running for over two hundred yards, when Dallas two hundred
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and sixty six, when Dallas hadn't allowed one hundred yard
rusher all season. I think that's a factor. And then
this illness. I'm not giving Dallas a pass because you
know I was on Buffalo. I'll just say, if they
go ahead to Miami and get their doors blown off, Remember,
all three of their losses are kind of bad. They
lost Arizona on the road, they got smacked by San
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fran on the road, and now they get smacked by
Buffalo in the road every other game. I mean, they're
pretty much dominating. The close loss to the Eagles on
the road. I don't think they go to Miami and
get smoked. That would be my guess. Miami is coming
off a thirty to nothing beat down of the Jets.
That kind of game where oh, one team's coming off
a shutout win, the team is coming off an embarrassing
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loss like this feels like an auto play on Dallas.
I will tell you the line as I call it
up here. Dallas goes to Miami. We don't know Tyreek
Hill's status, and as we record this, Miami is a
one point favorite at home against Dallas. I'll tell you
right now, I'm looking at the Cowboys, but I'm not
automatically taking them Rob.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Yeah, And I don't blame you. I mean, I don't
know why anybody would feel great about Dallas after the
performance they just had. And it sucks because you and
I had said last week we were singing their praises
and how impressed that they looked, and how Dak Prescott
was looking like an MVP favorite. I had him one.
I believe you had him two. So we were both
very high on Dallas Cowboys. And shame on me for
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not realizing that the Dallas Cowboys may be the most
Jeculin high team in NFL history. Okay, the Cowboys seven
to zero at AT and T home Stadium this season, averaging
just under forty points a game former and thirty one
yards per game, absolutely dominant. One of the great teams
in all of football, not just this season, but any season.
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When you're putting up those kind of numbers and you
have that kind of record, that's all time great at
home for the Dallas Cowboys. On the road though, three
and four, averaging twenty one point seven points per game
and only three hundred and four total yards per game.
All Right, they've outscored opponents at home by plus one
seventy one. On the road, they are minus four at home,
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their turnover margin plus ten and on the road minus one.
And I know this seems like a lot of numbers
to throw out. You, well, let me throw it to
you in this context, all right. In the Super Bowl era,
the largest home road point differential in NFL history is
nineteen eighty two Steelers at minus twenty home versus road splits.
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The Cowboys this season have the third largest home road
split in NFL history, at minus eighteen point two point
one per game. Okay, you can say things about the
Miami Dolphins because they have this reputation as being a
paper tiger. They beat up on bad teams. Apologies to
your New York Jets, and that's fair, and that's fine,
(09:11):
I understand it. But it's one thing to be great
against the bad teams and bad against the good teams,
because in all actuality, in any sport you play, the
goal is beat up on the shitty ones. If you
play five hundred against the good teams, you're probably going
to be one of the upper echelon teams in whatever
sport you're in. Baseball, basketball, football, whatever. The other argument
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of that is, you want to win all your home games,
which Dallas is doing, and you want to be above average,
win three out of four, sixty six percent, whatever it
is on the road, and that's usually the mark of
a great team. The Dallas Cowboys are historically great on
one end and just flat out bad on the other.
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And this wouldn't be much of a problem except for
the fact that all indications are they are going to
be playing on the road in the postseason if they
finish with the same record as the Philadelphia Eagle. I
know jayleen Hurst is kind of going through. He might
not even play tonight. But if they have the same record,
Philadelphia wins that division, which means Dallas is gonna have
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to go on the road in the postseason. And they
are absolutely horrendous relatively speaking on the road. This is
not good for Dallas right now.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah, it looks like as of now, Dallas would visit
Tampa Bay in the opening round. Now. They did go there,
I think it was last year and smacked them pretty good.
Was that Frady's final? Okay, thirty one to ten, it
was a beatdown. Listen, I was gonna talk about Baker
We'll see if we can get there. Baker Mayfield been
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one of the sneaky good stories in the NFL this season. Man,
I don't think that's a layup. But the Bucks defense
is not good. The Dallas defense should feast. I don't
think they're in that much trouble there, but you're right.
The following week they would likely visit Detroit, assuming Detroit's
able to beat Minnesota or Rams could be feisty. But yeah,
(11:08):
I don't know that Dallas could go into San France
and win that game. I mean, there's nothing I've seen
from Dallas on the road that has shown that. Now,
let's quickly go to Dak Prescott, Like I just wonder,
you know, sometimes you got to fade the hype and
the narrative in the hype all week was Dax MVP,
Dak's a favorite, blah blah blah, and it was you
half expected this this kind of thing was coming. I
(11:30):
think we both think Dak is a good quarterback. Ultimately
limited in the postseason, Like I need to see it.
You know, it's funny the whole Cam Newton game manager,
game changer thing. There was a play in the Ravens
game on Sunday Night Football where Lamar like scrambled out
of a sack, it was amazing, and then just chucks
it up for his tight end into double coverage. Normally,
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you know, twenty nine quarterbacks in that league throw that
and it's picked off. Lamar just got lucky that the
tight end pulled it away. It was like the announcers
were freaking out. I want to play by Lamar like
it was lucky as hell and not sustainable. I feel
like Dak, that's one of those plays that Cam Newton
think is a game changer. Like you escape a sack,
run around, and then chuck it up and you pick
up thirty yards first in goal. That's a game changing play.
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Zack would have been minus eight or whatever. I don't
feel like a lot of quarterbacks can do that. But
I don't know Rob that those plays are sustainable, which
is why I'm so pro game manager and Brock Perdy,
who is not making superstar highlight reel plays but just
making the right throws and you know, making good decisions,
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not turning it over, and Dak is largely doing that.
I thought the Bills were all over him. This was
a bad matchup. Zach Martin the Zach Martin injury felt
like it took a toll. The Dallas offensive line could
not protect at all. I don't want to overreact and
kill Dak here. I will say the game against Miami,
he needs to rebound right. He pooped his pants against
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San fran I don't want to say this was a
pants soiling. They never really had a chance and not
like he was terrible again Samford and I think he
had a couple of picks, maybe three, But ultimately, Rob,
I don't think this loss was on Dak was it?
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Speaker 1 (15:27):
This was as a collective of a team effort loss
as I've seen, because they were absolutely manhandled in the trenches,
mostly on offense and defense. I mean, when a team
like Buffalo, who's not known for being a great running
football team, can just jam it down your throat over
and over and over and gaining these not just like
three yards in the cloud of dust like Cook was
(15:47):
getting chunk yards. And that's why Josh Allen had that
viral quote after the game. And then offensively at one
time in the third quarter. They said that Buffalo had
sacked him like three times, but it felt like he
had been sack six or seven because they had no momentum.
Anytime he snapped the ball, there was guys in his face.
And you know, dak Met up until yesterday was having
(16:08):
an all time great, you know, two month stretch. Basically
he threw two touchdowns and seven straight games like that's
that's even in today's NFL. That's almost unheard of. And
so for him to have a come doown game, it's
it's not just on him at all, not at all.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah, I will say if you want to give a
little bit of caution for Cowboys fans, you just got
run over by Buffalo and James Cook your next two
games at Miami. Miami's a top five rushing offense, right
he moster by the way. I mean, he's got like
twenty touchdowns. I think he's tied with Cemac for the league,
and they got eight chan back there. They run the
ball a lot. After that is Detroit and they're a
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top five run offense with Montgomery and Gibbs. So we're
gonna learn a lot about Dallas here in the coming
two weeks. I think that Hankins injury is one you
certainly have to watch. All right, let's get to the
best team in the NFL and who I think should
win the MVP. Brock Perty. He's now the favorite. Those lines,
I don't know, they just moved the lines, put a
headline on it, and hope people bet into a rotten market.
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When Purdy was twenty five to one earlier this season,
freaking week one on this podcast, I was so impressed
with Perdy. I mentioned the word MVP. Go listen to
it like you could see, like damn okay, it wasn't
a one year wonder. And then he just keeps slaying
and Purty another monster game, four touchdown passes, and he's
(17:26):
so damn humble afterward. Afterward, brock Purty, Oh, I think
Christian McCaffrey's the MVP. He just does so much for us,
which is just genius, just smart deflected off me. Hey man,
I'm on the aw shucks kind of guy. Don't need
to hype me up. Meanwhile, brock Purty still number one
in the league in pass completion. Browning doesn't have enough
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games to qualify. Brock Purty number one in yards per
attempt nine point nine. Rob I saw an insane stat
This didn't totally make sense. But brock Pery has such
a good completion percentage in these nine point nine it's
like one of the greatest all time. When you're I
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mean number two is Jake Browning at eight seven, then
two at eighty five, nine point nine yards per attempt
on over three hundred and fifty passes. It's incredible. So
he's first in completions, number two in yards per attempt,
number one BR attempt, I'm sorry, number one in yards
p attempt, number one in QBR dak fell to a
distant two, and he's number one in quarterback rating. Again,
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these are just for data points. We can go on
success rate EPA like you could look into whatever you want.
Nobody's been as good as brock perty That's the bottom line, guys,
that's it. And then you go, oh, Trent william Yeah,
Trent Williams okay, and Christian McCaffrey A deebo Samuel and Okay,
I'll just put this out there. Trevor Lawrence, he didn't
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have another great game. Two wacky fumbles, lack of situational
awareness here at the end of the half, and Lawrence
ain't having a great season. And I like Trevor Lawrence
a lot. Is the generational talent I think he is.
This is what year three and it's like, okay, we
had the Urban Meyers stinker. Then last year they make
the playoffs, they win a game, they pushed, the Chiefs lose.
You expected Lawrence to make the jump like number one
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seed in play and he has not been great. And
I actually Rob saw somebody put out there Jaggs have
to go out and get some help for Trevor Lawrence.
I was like, whoa hold on what you got? Travis
Etn who's the first round pick? He's he's awesome, top
seven eight back in the league. He's very good. You
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go out and get Calvin Ridley, who's excellent. You spend
a lot of money on Christian Kirk. Okay, Zay Jones
is pretty damn good. The tight end is Evan Ingram,
who is I mean, not top notch, but he's a
good tight end. They've got a great skill position group
and you're not You're saying like Trevor doesn't have enough weapons,
Like are we really doing that? So now it's brock
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Perdy has so many weapons it's not about Purty, but
Trevor doesn't have enough. Rob, why the hell? And again,
I'm not picking on the guy who put this out there.
I should mention his name, Jordan Reid. He's looks like
an NFL draft guy for ESPN. Okay, I'm not bashing him.
I'm just saying I saw that. I'm like the excuses
we continue to make for some people and then the
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lack of respect we continue to give others. Rob. It
just kind of irks me. And the brock Purty slander's
coming this week. You can just bet your bottom dollar
brock Purty. Oh come on, he even ceted himself. But
Godfrey's the MVP. I almost can't do this anymore. Rob.
I don't want to continue to waste bandid on it.
But like, this is the number one team in the league.
And just for anybody who's gonna say, who wha wait,
the defense with the Cardinals rush for two hundred and
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I have the number here because I wrote it down.
I'm a dork two hundred and twenty four yards. By
the way, I'm the idiot who bet When Kyler Murray
came out, I thought he was injured and they were
gonna just shut him down. Hey, we don't want to
risk it. Clayton tune comes in. I've seen Clayton Looney tune. Okay,
instantly I bet Niners minus twenty and they were only
up by like fourteen. It was stupid, just a little bit.
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And then of course the Cardinals score with like fourteen
seconds left in the game to cover the minus twenty
in game bet. I was ah, it was house funny whatever.
This forty nine Ers team was missing their top two
defensive tackles, gave up two hundred and twenty four yards
on the ground to Arizona and still kick their ass.
They were up by over twenty in the final minute
before winning by sixteen. Okay, this team is a beast.
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I don't rob rob six to ozho hot streak. They're
averaging thirty four point five yards per game. Oh and
I just found the stat in the Super Bowl era
the highest yards per attempt for a single season. Kurt
Warner was number one nine point eight eight two. Brock
Purty currently number one above Kurt Warner and the Greatest
(21:45):
Show on Turf nine point eight eight three. So again,
Kurt Warner's a Hall of Famer. It's just one stat
that's how historically good brock Purty's been.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Yeah, And for all the people who say, well, you know,
the reason why he has these yards open attemp is
because all this yeah yardage, right, it's the yak yardage.
It's Debo, it's Eu gets Kittle, it's McCaffrey. Brock Purty,
sorry to burst your bubble, has a lower YAK percentage
than MVP season Aaron Rodgers number one, MVP, Aaron Rodgers
number two, the last two MVP season Patrick Mahomes. So
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brock Party is doing not doing it himself, but he's
doing it on par or even better than the previous
three MVPs. Okay, just get that out of the way.
Outside of the Lamar Jackson unanimous season, he's right there
with all the other MVPs. He actually gets less of
his percentage of YAK than the other guys do. I'm
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so frustrated that you brought up Trevor Lawrence because that
was like my ace in the hole, Like this is
gonna be aid drop on j Matt's head because Trevor Lawrence,
outside of like a six game stretch last season when
I think he was fourteen touchdowns, one pick, has been
the definition of mediocre since he got to the NFL
okay as of this morning, as of this recording in
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his career, fifty five touchdown passes, fifty five turnovers. His
passer rating this season is fifteenth. His passing yards per
game is twelve. He is a middle of the road
average quarterback, and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm a
Raiders fan, you're a Jets fan. I'd killed to have
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an average, middle of the road quarterback, right like I
would just I'd be doing backflips with that if everyone's
on my quarterback agreed. The problem, though, is because he
was drafted number one, because he was hyped up as
the greatest prospect since Andrew Luck, that he was one
of the great all time quarterback prospects we had ever seen,
and that probably was true if you go back and
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look at it from college. He gets the benefit of
the doubt all the time. Right, no matter what he
does or in this case, what he doesn't do, he's
gonna be viewed in this prism as being an upper
echelon quarterback because he fits them of what you would
expect a great quarterback to look like. He's big, he's strong,
he throws a good ball, he's handsome, he has a
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strong jaw like that kind of stuff. Right, and then
you have Brock Purty, mister irrelevant, you know, a nondescript
college career, even if he started a lot of games,
and no matter what he does, as you mentioned first
in passer rating first and passing touchdowns first, and TD
in interception ratio first, and TD to per atten first,
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and yards per atten first and yards per completion first,
and wins his EPA, the gap between him and Dak
Prescott is the same gap between Dak and Geno Smith. Okay,
he is lights out. He has been fantastic all season long,
even in those three games where he was struggling, he
was concussed, and he was still leading game winning drive.
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They just happened to miss a field goal. Right. But
because he's mister irrelevant, because he doesn't look the part,
people have decided he can't possibly be that good. He
can't possibly be the MVP. Christian McCaffrey is the MVP.
And that argument alone doesn't make sense to me because
even if you were to say that Christian McCaffrey is
a better player, which I would say, so, I think
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Chrisian mcffrey is just a fantastic football player. There is
no good argument where you could say that Christian McCaffrey,
as great as he is, has been more valuable to
his team than the quarterback who leads the NFL in
like every single major passing category in the year of
(25:30):
twenty twenty three. In the Quarterback League NFL, Brock Party,
with all of his gaudy numbers and his efficiency and
his wins. Somehow the running back is the guy who's
most valuable. We need to give Brock purty. If he
was drafted number two, like Zach Wilson, there would be
no question. I don't think that Brock Party should win
(25:50):
the MVP, but because he's mister Irrelevant, people have these
biases against him, and I just don't get it.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
You got us off on the Lawrence tangent, although I
technically did by bringing him up, so I know you're
not gonna like this argument, Rob, Long story short, I'm
willing to give Lawrence a little bit more time. And
I know the two plus seasons. You're like, wait, you
guys are done with fields? Well, that's unique. The Bears
now have the number one overall pick. Like, sorry, it's
(26:17):
easier to restart the clock than pay fields. Blah blah blah.
Zach Wilson, Well you got Aaron Rodgers. He Wilson's not
supposed to be the starter. Nobody likes him anyway, He's done.
I looked at one career of a guy who went
number one, who was thought to be a generational talent.
And I'm not comparing him to this guy, but number one.
His name is Peyton Manning. Comes in the league, leads
(26:39):
the league in picks, They go three and thirteen, he
turns it around. They get to the playoffs thirteen and three,
but they lose in the playoffs ten and six, losing
the playoffs six and ten. So Peyton Manning four years
in zero playoff wins, five years in zero playoff wins.
Peyton Manning could not win a playoff game until two
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thousand and three, his sixth year, and that's the year
they went to the Super Bowl. But it so if
you look at his numbers, like he did lead the
league in yards once and in touchdowns. But if one
thing that changed a lot for Manning from his first
five years rob is the turnovers. He led the leaguan interceptions.
Then it was fifteen, fifteen, twenty three, nineteen. It's a
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lot of freaking interceptions. So what happened? Super Bowl year?
Down to ten? After that? Ten, ten, ten, nine, fourteen twelve.
Started to pick up again near the end in Indy,
but when he was at his best, he cut down
the turnovers. I don't know. I've never played quarterback in
the NFL, ROB, I don't know how easy it is
to simply say, stop throwing interceptions, stop trying to force shit.
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Trevor Lawrence, hold on to the damn ball. You had
one of these seminal runs in college football in the
last fifty years. With the shout out to Tommy Fraser
of Nebraska, that game costs me money. I had Florida, Yes,
you know the game I'm talking about. Tommy Fraser breaks
fifty tackles on an amazing run. But the Trevor Lawrence
run in the playoff off against Ohio State, to me,
I was freaking out. Of course. I had Clemson in
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that game, and I just remember it as, oh my gosh,
this is a quarterback sprinting away from an entire team.
What the hell. Trevor Lawrence does the same thing against
the Ravens and then just vomits the ball up in
the red zone like whoa. He was like it was
like the ball, it wasn't raining or anything. And then
he has another fumble that was just a killer. It
was it was not a great game, and a spotlight
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and a spotlight move spotlight spot there for him. I'll
just say this, I believe in Lawrence. The only thing
I heard, Rob that isn't great. Uh and I and
I didn't use this when I first heard it. But
some of these guys like absolutely love football, eat breathe
like Peyton Manning. I mean, it's freak about love for football.
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Tom Brady just absolute love everything to him. The one
thing I heard about Trevor Lawrence say is yeah, he
loves football, but he doesn't like love it. Look like
it's everything to him. He's breaking down tape and like
freaking out about football and how can I get better
and be the greatest player ever? Like the only thing
I heard from someone who'd been around him and the
team was that, yeah, he he likes football. Of course
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he loves it. This is not a knock. It's just that,
do you know what I mean? Rob? He's like, yeah,
well it's not every it's not his life. He's very religious,
he's family guy. He has a life away from football,
like he is gonna be himself and like football is
his job, you know. And I'm not saying he's gonna
be the next Andrew Luck and walk away at thirty
or whatever, but that was the only thing I heard.
(29:28):
It's just Peterson is like a football lifer, you know,
that kind of deal. And I don't know if that
is Lawrence and I don't think there's friction there or anything.
I just you know, they're two different people. And like,
I don't know how you would find that out about
somebody coming out of college, Like I don't know, Kayleb Williams,
do you love Like how do you know if someone
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loves football or not? You got to really really know them,
and that's kind of sort of impossible. I don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Well again, I don't want to seem like I'm tearing
down Trevor lns no, because like I said, I would
love if he was my quarterback, right, I'm right, I
would be very excited if Trevor Lawrence got traded to
the Raiders today. And going back to your point about
whether or not he loves football, I don't know if
you remember this, but he right before the draft did
a feature in Sports Illustrated where he said something along
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those lines where it was like, that's not what drives me?
Is you know? Winning football is not the primary focus
in my life. And friend of the podcast for end
of the show, Daniel Kelly, who is a scout for
the Jets. Remember he said as soon as I heard
that quote, it solidified my stance that are his stance
that Trevor Lawrence is going to be a bust.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Now.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I don't think he's been a bust type quarterback, no,
but you know it's it's pretty well documented that he's
one of those Nikola jokicch tis where he's like, I'm
good at it. It provides me a good living i'd
want to be. I'm gonna give all my effort into it.
But to say that my life is defined by what
I do in this sport would be incorrect. He's one
of those guys.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Yeah, over under one and a half Super Bowl appearances
for Trevor Lawrence in his career, oh way under way.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
So you're saying zero, I guess if you have to
said it at half for me to even think about it.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Well, the thing is, I mean he's up against Burrow
and Mahomes. We'll see who Herbert's get gets as a coach.
Lamar Jatt, like all these guys are his age. Like
it's gonna be tough, like when it was Brady and Peyton,
it was it's tough to crack through, right, Yeah, I
mean it's not gonna be easy. I would say one
and a half. I mean, but what have.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
You seen that makes you confident that he's a multiple
super Bowl caliber quarterback or Super Bowl appearance caliber quarter.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I mean, just the ability to make every throw when
he has big screw ups. I undaunted. I want to
go on a Baker Mayfield rant after this. But like
he he seems fearless, Like you see a guy like
Zach Wilson when he gets sacked in the air as
a fumble, it's like totally shook, like he's seen a ghost.
You know, it's I mean, some of these guys, listen,
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the spotlight is bright. He just doesn't seem phased by anything.
I I mean, I commanded the offense. I feel like
he can I feel like there's really nothing he can't do.
I mean, when you look at them last yesterday against Ravens.
Drive down, that guy hits the upright miss drive, another
missfield goal. Then he had his fumble, very random. Then
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they lose track of the clock. The guy's tackled and
bounds no points like they should have had at least
minimum ten points, maybe thirteen in the first half like that.
This is just fluky, unlucky stuff. But yeah, I'm a
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feel like I got to give this guy some props
because of Baker Mayfield. Now, I liked green Bay in this.
In the Pickham contest, which you guys, I know you
care deeply about this pick this season long pick them contest,
I got roped into with a guy on the herd.
It's like, I don't know, over one hundred people are
in it. I'm up to fourth now, and I think
I had to ask now because i'm top ten. I
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think it pays fourteen thousand dollars if you win. I
don't think I can win. I'm six out. I have
Seattle tonight three and a half. You can't see the
other guy's picks because you can change him up until kickoff.
I'm assuming everybody's gonna have Seattle with the Philly injury.
But in this pick them thing, I had green Bay.
The guy who's first for whatever reason, I don't know
who he is. He apparently's won it in the past
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based on an email, but he basically just goes with
most favorites. Eventually that will hopefully end here. But I
had Green Bay, as did he. I said, green Bay.
You know the two weeks ago Green Bay was like,
oh this is a spicy team. They're dangerous. Lookout took
down the Chiefs, took down the Lion. Look Out. Then
they lose to Tommy Defiedoma and net Football, and then
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they are at home against Baker Mayfield. Baker turns it over,
fumbles inside the Packers, five touchdown Packers, they take the lead.
I'm like, okay, that's probably it right seven to three.
Green Bay's gonna step it up. They got Jordan love Folks.
I had to be a top five performance on the
road for any quarterback I've seen this year. Baker after
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that turnover was lights out. I saw that he had
a perfect quarterback rating. I don't know how you can
do that with a fumble. But he threw for three
hundred and eighty one yards his best game in Tampa
this season. Four touchdowns, three of them in the second
half on the road. Okay, on throws of ten or
more yards. And he was coming into this game on
any throw down the field like he's not great for
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whatever reason. Forty completion percentage on throws of ten or
more yards a season. He was ten of eleven for
two hundred and four yards and two touchdowns in Lambeau. In
a big spot where the Packers needed it, Baker Mayfield
was shredding. I don't even I've never heard of the
guy more who he threw his last touchdown to a
great pass. Folks. This is a Tampa team that I
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had been fading because of the defensive injuries. Right, they
lose Devin White, they lose a cornerback, and I'm like, oh,
these guys can't stop a fucking noseblease. Come on, and
Baker Mayfield keeps coming back and pulling rabbits out of
hats and rob I gotta say, listen, I get it. Baker.
When he was the guy in Cleveland, he did get
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them to the playoffs. I mean, he was on a
good team. And then he tried to play through an injury.
It did not work. He tried to rebound, and I
think it was Charlotte. It was a bust, and then
the rams for five minutes. Sometimes it just takes a
little while. I mean the NFL, the speed and everything,
it's just so much different than like college, whatever level
you played at. I almost don't know what you do
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with Baker. He's a free agent, So what are the choices? Rob?
You can't if you franchise tag him, he's gonna jump
from like, you know, ten mil or whatever, fifteen mil
whatever he's making, to like thirty mill or thirty five million.
I don't know what you do. Do you sign him
to a couple of years. It seems like Todd Bowles
is gonna keep his job. But Bucks look like they're
going to the freaking playoffs and Baker has a lot
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to do with that because the defense has not been great.
I was talking about this team as a teardown. Oh
you trade Evans, you trade Godwin, you tank and you
fire balls, and you can come on, you can make
something happen. Like none of that is even close to
happening now. They do end the season, I believe with
the Saints in a game that is going to determine
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probably who wins that division. But the weird thing, Rob,
they I think Tampa Bay can get into the playoffs
without winning the division because the NFC has been so wretched.
I don't know. Listen, I know people are out on Baker,
and you know, we do love a good redemption story
in America. But for whatever reason, people just like are
just discounting or not even talking about Baker Mayfield. This
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Tampa team, Rob, I don't know that they're scary. Rashan White,
by the way, when did he get good? He is
so fast? I don't know. I'm just kind of smitten
with them. Usually when people beat me and I fade them,
I hate it and I get angry. I'm sorry. Tampa
goes Jacksonville, then New Orleans, then Carolina in the final
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game of the season, so two of three are in
the division next week at home against your boy, Trevor Lawrence.
I don't know. Baker Mayfield in the playoffs is kind
of sort of wild.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Yeah, And you know what I got to, you know,
take some egg on my face because I've gone viral
like two or three times, to the extent that someone
like me can go viral. But one of the reasons
why I went viral is because it may have actually
been on this podcast when I said that Baker Mayfield
in a year is going to be working for the
Big twelve network. Oh and that he's you know, going
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to be out of the NFL, that his days are numbered.
He's going to be hosting some very popular podcast or
be on television in Texas again, you know, in a
year from now. Obviously that did not pan out because
he's having a solid season, you know, three to one
TDD interception ratio and they've won three straight. I, like you,
was ready to throw dirt on his grave, and when
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they lost six of seven there between October and November,
they looked absolutely terrible. And credit to him, because I
still don't think he's a franchise caliber quarterback. I still
would not feel comfortable if he was my starting quarterback
on a week to week basis. But the one thing
that you can say about Baker Mayfield is what you
alluded to, his ability to bounce back, to pull the
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rabbit out of his hat, like as you mentioned, and
that's even going back to college, right, Like, when when
you don't expect a whole lot from Baker Mayfield or
you feel like he's, you know, down in the dumps
and this is going to be the end for him,
he has that quote unquote it factor that allows him
to rise to the level of the occasion and either
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win a big game or have a big throw or
make the key play at the right time, because even
in this three game winning streak, I know he played
great against Green Bay. The previous two games each week
against Carolina and Atlanta, two defenses that are not great
twenty eight of fifty eight, three hundred and forty six
yards across two games. But in both of those games
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that were both one possession, he made the key plays
late to ensure that his team got the win. And
there's something to be said about that. So I'm not
a big Baker Mayfield guy, but kudos to Baker Mayfield
today for having a fantastic game against the Packers.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Do you want to spend any time talking about your
Raiders and that big win? Like you know? If you
If I could find a negative angle for you, it's
that they moved to six and eight out of the
top ten now drafting. By the way, I don't know
if you saw this, but with Carolina's win over Atlanta,
by the way, Desmond Ridder, holy effing what on earth
that passed that he threw? So they're up seven to
six with like I don't know, four minutes left in
(40:29):
the red zone. He scrambles out of pressure. You're like, ooh,
nice wheels, and then he's approaching the sideline and just
throws like right to a Carolina guy. You're like, what
the fuck is that? I could not believe it, Like
one of the worst passes I've seen this season. And
Ritter does that in the red zone. He panics and
Carolina goes right down kicks the field goal at the buzzer,
and it's like, oh my gosh, Atlanta, they missed the
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playoffs now, but that win for Carolina pushes their record
at two and twelve. They are only one game up
on New England for the number one pick.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Now.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
I don't know who in a tiebreaker would get that,
but Rob, this situation with Belichick is getting real interesting.
If they get the number one pick, do you just
say we're moving on from Belchick and like starting over
with a new regime and the number one or is
Belichick like, Bro, you're not gonna fucking fire me when
you get the number one pick. Come on, I got
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a chance to rebound with my guy. I mean, this
is getting fascinating. By the way, Jets with the loss
are now tied with Bears, Giants, Chargers, and Titans. They're
all five through nine. But it's what's weird is if
you look at those five through nine Bears starting justin
Fieldzer starter six at Jets, Zach Wilson ain't gonna be
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their guy. It looks like it's going to be simming
and going forward, Giants are starting to veto slash tyrod.
Chargers are on Eastern stick, Titans are on will Levis,
all of those guys are on backup. So those are
like quiet tanks for teams that have been eliminated. But
your thoughts on the Raiders dropping US sixty three Burger
on the Charges.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Well, I turned it off at halftime, and even as
a Raiders fan, I had no interest in watching a
team get evstrated like that.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Look.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
The one thing I'll say about this, I mean, it
was cool to see him win, and obviously in a
blowout fashion. At one point when it gets to like
forty two to nothing, though, it almost becomes comical, like
it's just like, are we really that good or they
are just vomiting all over themselves and everything that we
do seems to be working right. We're doing trick plays,
we have a Jack Jones makes one of the great
interceptions you've ever seen, where he reads the play so
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quickly he actually has to reach back to make the
interception because he was so ahead of Austin Eckler on
that screen pass. But the only thing I'll say about
that game is, on one hand, yes, it sucks that
we win by lose or lose by winning because we
drop in the draft and I think we still need
a quarterback. But anybody who thinks that after that game
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that Antonio Pierce is absolutely the answer a head coach,
he is fooling themselves and this and I'm a Raider
fan telling you that because you cannot go Week fourteen
against Minnesota off a bye and lose three to nothing
fair and then you have this blowout win against a
team that obviously had quit on their coach and just assume, well, obviously,
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and Antonio Peers is the guy. It's like, No, it's
much more nuanced than that, because the same guy who
ran up sixty three on the Chargers got shut out
coming off a bye, playing against the Vikings in a
game that if you wanted to make the playoffs realistically,
you had to win. So he may be the coach
going forward. I'm not going to eliminate him from that conversation.
But I'm also not going to be like, well, we
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absolutely found our coach and we had our quarterback just
because we beat up on Eastern Stick. And the soon
to be podcast host Brandon Staley.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Oh damn, I don't even know if he's gonna be host.
Maybe podcast guest.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
There you go podcast guests.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yeah, little harsh By the way, I heard somebody shoot,
I forgot the running back. But like, there was a
guy on the Packers who before Dylan, before Jones, who
was like heavy, he might have gone to Alabama Eddie Lacy. Yes,
so he was like good and then he got like fat, right,
and they called him fat Eddie Lacy? Do you remember that?
Speaker 1 (44:10):
I want to be a Fantasy Championship.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Somebody in my somebody hit me with when did Austin
Eckler turn into Eddie Lacy? And I was like, wow,
First of all, I didn't know Austin Eckler look fat,
but I guess he His hands are going and he's
like losing speed. Ats just very Ekler was so freaking
good last year and now it's like, yeah, he's not good.
I don't know, Rob poor Charger. I don't even think
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the roster's that good. You know, we might have to
get Steve Hartman on I had somebody send me a
link that Hartman said the NFL made the Chargers fireprinted
w Hartman is he's that guy's crazy. I do. I
do appreciate his uh his bombs. He does look to
drop atomically, So maybe this week we'll have to get
him on. But I guess we guess we technically have
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to do a best bet for Eagles Seahawks tonight from Seattle.
The line was four and a half, then four, and
then Glazer reported that Jalen Hurts is very sick. If
the game was Sunday, he would not have played the
lines down to three in that pick'em contest. I got
three and a half. I don't know. I have a
(45:17):
hard time seeing the Eagles losing this game, but I
don't trust them to get margin here. Yeah, for me,
it's gotta be Seattle or nothing. I don't think I
could lay it with the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Again, I hate agreeing with you, but I think you're
spot on because the Gale Hurst thing is obviously a
question mark, but there's also underreported Gino Smith is a
question mark two, so it's entirely possible to give it.
Marcus Mariota versus Drew Locke, and in those kind of
situations when if one or both of those backups have
to play, it's hard to feel good about either team. Yeah,
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and so in those situations usually end up where it's
a tough, usually ugly, disjointed a game, and in those
instances it's usually cited by a late field goal or
a late touch down something like that. So again, I
wouldn't bet on this one, but if I were to
be taking Seattle.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
And there was the other report about the Eagles defense.
So they're ten and three, and there was one report
that like they moved on from their defensive coordinator Sean
de Sai and now Matt Patricia's calling plays. But then
they were like all the reporters at the same time
must have got the same text from the Eagles. No, no,
sorry for clarification. Desi is still the defensive coordinator, but
he's gonna move upstairs and Patricia will call plays from
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the field or something along those lines. And it's just like,
this is a lot of weirdness for a ten and
three team. I don't know. I don't want to act
like it's an overreaction. And people are talking about the
big Dom, that big Mead, heead on the sideline, who
put his hands on green Law and now he's suspended
for the rest of the season. Can't be suspended, can't
be on the sideline. So there's just a lot happening
with the Eagles. I just I could see Seattle kind
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of playing like they did against Dallas and ultimately losing.
But yeah, give me the three and a half or
three for the Seahawks here. All right, that's a lengthy
Monday pot. I feel like I say that every Monday,
but listen to the NFL. Only has a few weeks
left before the playoffs are here, one week to Christmas.
We will talk later about planning for the week. Talk
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to you tomorrow.
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up
Straight Firefam? It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight Fire for Monday,
December eighteenth. We are one week away from Christmas. I'm
so excited. Obviously there will be no Christmas podcast. We
(00:30):
do have to do the Herd on the twenty sixth.
I gotta check the schedule on the twenty fifth. I'd
rather not record on Christmas night. I'm sure Rob would
not want to, but I guess we'll cross that bridge
a little later in the week. Gotta start the podcast
on a massive, massive positive, like what a monster weekness
was in gambling four and one in the contest, but
I feel like our guest Adam Churnoff gave out a
(00:52):
million winners. The only miss was that Rams Commander's over Frickin'
Rams and Kyrien Williams and his fumbles missed. I think
it was forty nine and fifty with the numbers, I
got it landed forty eight. If Washington, I mean Rivera
goes to kick it gets blocked. They're making fun of
him because he didn't go for two like the analytics
say you're opposed to. Then I would have got a
(01:13):
hit and a push whatever. You can't win them all,
but I tell I thought I was gonna win everything.
Just an amazing weekend. Unbelievably won both of our fantasy matchups.
One of them. I had to start Nick Mullins and
somebody named Wix on the Packers. I don't even know
his first name, but Rob g'z Raiders came through me, huge,
huge on Thursday night. Rob hasn't got a chance to
(01:33):
chime in. Maybe we'll touch on the Raiders later, but
we obviously have to start the week fifteen podcasts where
the favorites when a staggering ten to three and two
against the spread, favors just continue to dominate. And that
includes the Buffalo Bills, who took the Dallas Cowboys out
behind the woodshed and gave them a beatdown. I mean, folks,
this was over early third quarter. You could say half,
(01:55):
but you never want to rule anybody out. The Dallas
Cowboys get smoked, and a lot of questions begin to swirl.
I mashed on the brakes, you know, right after the game, like,
oh boy, they got problems. And then you know, some
sanity prevails and you're like, all right, it's not the end.
Of the world for Dallas. Buffalo looked like a train
(02:16):
and Dallas was just unlucky. They look like those videos
you know where like there's a car stuck on the
train tracks and everybody gets out of the car and
then the train just comes through. It just destroys it.
Like that's what happened to the Dallas Cowboys. I mean
James Cook running wild. I mean the guy had two
hundred and twenty one scrimmageyards. The Cowboys had not allowed
a one hundred yard rusher this season. James Cook, Dalvin's
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little brother, had one hundred at halftime the game of
his career, and the Cowboys were never in it. Now
here's the scary part. Okay, all week I told you
putting its everywhere, said listen, Dallas outdoors, they're not friendly
confines of being at home. Keep an eye on his
Buffalo team. We talked the last two weeks about betting
on Buffalo to when the AFS East Buffalo to make
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the playoff, Buffalo to come out of the AFC, And
you can't argue. After a dismantling of a red hot
Cowboys team where Josh Allen completed seven passes for ninety
four yards. He joked after the game that he was
the kid who was part of the school project who
didn't contribute anything, and the team got an a I
know you've all been there. I've been there, but not
(03:22):
I wasn't really one of those guys. Just a thorough
beat down. The Dallas Cowboys through three quarters had ninety
two yards of total offense. I have here in the notes,
worst in a game since twenty ten. And here's where
it gets a little scary. So I'll get positive and
a second Cowboys fans relax. So part of the pressure
on Dak Prescott was like they were getting home with
(03:45):
a four man rush. Zach Martin left the game hurt.
Obviously that's big. But when you get home with four
guys and get sacks on third down because you're confusing
Dak in the secondary, mixing up zone and man like
that ain't good. Dak looked confused. Everybody's killed and I
had to like stop looking at Twitter during the game
because Everybody's like, oh, Cam Newton was right, he's a
(04:05):
game manager. And then like to the first first two
Jibbroni's I was like, yeah, Rock Purty too, I'm Jared
GoF yesterday as well. I didn't say anything, and then
you know the torn of diarrhea comes out of these guys.
Bounce Dak. How about this one. Dak is now six
and thirteen in his career on the road against teams
over five hundred, six and thirteen. Now you could say, okay,
(04:28):
his career has span many years. Who cares? Okay, fine,
you know what, pick yourself up off the mat, head
down to Miami this weekend on the road against the
team over five hundred. Miami took apart. My jets eliminated them.
We're not doing jets on this podcast. I don't give
a shit about that team right now. Nobody cares about them.
They stink. They missed the playoffs again, good riddance. One
(04:49):
other note before Rob t gets all excited about this
Buffalo Bill's juggernaut, there was someone missing on the cowb
who kind of mattered. His name is mister Hankins, and
I know he's not the MVP of the team. He's
not even a top two or three defensive player. Everybody
talks about Bland, everybody talks about Michael Parsons. Hankins is
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their big DT, their big run stopper. In the middle.
He is a factor. He missed the game with a
knee injury, and it looked shaky stopping the run. Now,
you could also argue Dallas as I think Glaser was
the first to report this. A big flu bug swept
through the Cowboys team and like maybe half a dozen
dozen guys were impacted. Listen, it's this time of the year.
(05:35):
Everybody gets sick. You know, you're not one hundred percent.
You try to plow through it. It's me, it's one
thing for me, like a rec league basketball guy playing
in men's leagues or playing pickup on weekends. I'm sick,
but I'm gonna play through it. And it's fine. You
play for an hour or two whatever. It's not the
end of the world, you know what, It's just another day.
This is the NFL, Like, you know, sixty minutes, lots
(05:57):
of money at stake, lots on the line, probably twenty
five million people watching. Like, that's tough when you're sick
and down to dumps. I'm not I'm not making excuses
for the Cowboys. Buffalo beat their ass, But when you
factor in the Hankins missing in the middle and Buffalo
running for over two hundred yards, when Dallas two hundred
(06:19):
and sixty six, when Dallas hadn't allowed one hundred yard
rusher all season. I think that's a factor. And then
this illness. I'm not giving Dallas a pass because you
know I was on Buffalo. I'll just say, if they
go ahead to Miami and get their doors blown off, Remember,
all three of their losses are kind of bad. They
lost Arizona on the road, they got smacked by San
(06:40):
fran on the road, and now they get smacked by
Buffalo in the road every other game. I mean, they're
pretty much dominating. The close loss to the Eagles on
the road. I don't think they go to Miami and
get smoked. That would be my guess. Miami is coming
off a thirty to nothing beat down of the Jets.
That kind of game where oh, one team's coming off
a shutout win, the team is coming off an embarrassing
(07:02):
loss like this feels like an auto play on Dallas.
I will tell you the line as I call it
up here. Dallas goes to Miami. We don't know Tyreek
Hill's status, and as we record this, Miami is a
one point favorite at home against Dallas. I'll tell you
right now, I'm looking at the Cowboys, but I'm not
automatically taking them Rob.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Yeah, And I don't blame you. I mean, I don't
know why anybody would feel great about Dallas after the
performance they just had. And it sucks because you and
I had said last week we were singing their praises
and how impressed that they looked, and how Dak Prescott
was looking like an MVP favorite. I had him one.
I believe you had him two. So we were both
very high on Dallas Cowboys. And shame on me for
(07:46):
not realizing that the Dallas Cowboys may be the most
Jeculin high team in NFL history. Okay, the Cowboys seven
to zero at AT and T home Stadium this season, averaging
just under forty points a game former and thirty one
yards per game, absolutely dominant. One of the great teams
in all of football, not just this season, but any season.
(08:06):
When you're putting up those kind of numbers and you
have that kind of record, that's all time great at
home for the Dallas Cowboys. On the road though, three
and four, averaging twenty one point seven points per game
and only three hundred and four total yards per game.
All Right, they've outscored opponents at home by plus one
seventy one. On the road, they are minus four at home,
(08:30):
their turnover margin plus ten and on the road minus one.
And I know this seems like a lot of numbers
to throw out. You, well, let me throw it to
you in this context, all right. In the Super Bowl era,
the largest home road point differential in NFL history is
nineteen eighty two Steelers at minus twenty home versus road splits.
(08:51):
The Cowboys this season have the third largest home road
split in NFL history, at minus eighteen point two point
one per game. Okay, you can say things about the
Miami Dolphins because they have this reputation as being a
paper tiger. They beat up on bad teams. Apologies to
your New York Jets, and that's fair, and that's fine,
(09:11):
I understand it. But it's one thing to be great
against the bad teams and bad against the good teams,
because in all actuality, in any sport you play, the
goal is beat up on the shitty ones. If you
play five hundred against the good teams, you're probably going
to be one of the upper echelon teams in whatever
sport you're in. Baseball, basketball, football, whatever. The other argument
(09:35):
of that is, you want to win all your home games,
which Dallas is doing, and you want to be above average,
win three out of four, sixty six percent, whatever it
is on the road, and that's usually the mark of
a great team. The Dallas Cowboys are historically great on
one end and just flat out bad on the other.
(09:56):
And this wouldn't be much of a problem except for
the fact that all indications are they are going to
be playing on the road in the postseason if they
finish with the same record as the Philadelphia Eagle. I
know jayleen Hurst is kind of going through. He might
not even play tonight. But if they have the same record,
Philadelphia wins that division, which means Dallas is gonna have
(10:19):
to go on the road in the postseason. And they
are absolutely horrendous relatively speaking on the road. This is
not good for Dallas right now.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah, it looks like as of now, Dallas would visit
Tampa Bay in the opening round. Now. They did go there,
I think it was last year and smacked them pretty good.
Was that Frady's final? Okay, thirty one to ten, it
was a beatdown. Listen, I was gonna talk about Baker
We'll see if we can get there. Baker Mayfield been
(10:47):
one of the sneaky good stories in the NFL this season. Man,
I don't think that's a layup. But the Bucks defense
is not good. The Dallas defense should feast. I don't
think they're in that much trouble there, but you're right.
The following week they would likely visit Detroit, assuming Detroit's
able to beat Minnesota or Rams could be feisty. But yeah,
(11:08):
I don't know that Dallas could go into San France
and win that game. I mean, there's nothing I've seen
from Dallas on the road that has shown that. Now,
let's quickly go to Dak Prescott, Like I just wonder,
you know, sometimes you got to fade the hype and
the narrative in the hype all week was Dax MVP,
Dak's a favorite, blah blah blah, and it was you
half expected this this kind of thing was coming. I
(11:30):
think we both think Dak is a good quarterback. Ultimately
limited in the postseason, Like I need to see it.
You know, it's funny the whole Cam Newton game manager,
game changer thing. There was a play in the Ravens
game on Sunday Night Football where Lamar like scrambled out
of a sack, it was amazing, and then just chucks
it up for his tight end into double coverage. Normally,
(11:52):
you know, twenty nine quarterbacks in that league throw that
and it's picked off. Lamar just got lucky that the
tight end pulled it away. It was like the announcers
were freaking out. I want to play by Lamar like
it was lucky as hell and not sustainable. I feel
like Dak, that's one of those plays that Cam Newton
think is a game changer. Like you escape a sack,
run around, and then chuck it up and you pick
up thirty yards first in goal. That's a game changing play.
(12:15):
Zack would have been minus eight or whatever. I don't
feel like a lot of quarterbacks can do that. But
I don't know Rob that those plays are sustainable, which
is why I'm so pro game manager and Brock Perdy,
who is not making superstar highlight reel plays but just
making the right throws and you know, making good decisions,
(12:36):
not turning it over, and Dak is largely doing that.
I thought the Bills were all over him. This was
a bad matchup. Zach Martin the Zach Martin injury felt
like it took a toll. The Dallas offensive line could
not protect at all. I don't want to overreact and
kill Dak here. I will say the game against Miami,
he needs to rebound right. He pooped his pants against
(12:58):
San fran I don't want to say this was a
pants soiling. They never really had a chance and not
like he was terrible again Samford and I think he
had a couple of picks, maybe three, But ultimately, Rob,
I don't think this loss was on Dak was it?
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Speaker 1 (15:27):
This was as a collective of a team effort loss
as I've seen, because they were absolutely manhandled in the trenches,
mostly on offense and defense. I mean, when a team
like Buffalo, who's not known for being a great running
football team, can just jam it down your throat over
and over and over and gaining these not just like
three yards in the cloud of dust like Cook was
(15:47):
getting chunk yards. And that's why Josh Allen had that
viral quote after the game. And then offensively at one
time in the third quarter. They said that Buffalo had
sacked him like three times, but it felt like he
had been sack six or seven because they had no momentum.
Anytime he snapped the ball, there was guys in his face.
And you know, dak Met up until yesterday was having
(16:08):
an all time great, you know, two month stretch. Basically
he threw two touchdowns and seven straight games like that's
that's even in today's NFL. That's almost unheard of. And
so for him to have a come doown game, it's
it's not just on him at all, not at all.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah, I will say if you want to give a
little bit of caution for Cowboys fans, you just got
run over by Buffalo and James Cook your next two
games at Miami. Miami's a top five rushing offense, right
he moster by the way. I mean, he's got like
twenty touchdowns. I think he's tied with Cemac for the league,
and they got eight chan back there. They run the
ball a lot. After that is Detroit and they're a
(16:45):
top five run offense with Montgomery and Gibbs. So we're
gonna learn a lot about Dallas here in the coming
two weeks. I think that Hankins injury is one you
certainly have to watch. All right, let's get to the
best team in the NFL and who I think should
win the MVP. Brock Perty. He's now the favorite. Those lines,
I don't know, they just moved the lines, put a
headline on it, and hope people bet into a rotten market.
(17:06):
When Purdy was twenty five to one earlier this season,
freaking week one on this podcast, I was so impressed
with Perdy. I mentioned the word MVP. Go listen to
it like you could see, like damn okay, it wasn't
a one year wonder. And then he just keeps slaying
and Purty another monster game, four touchdown passes, and he's
(17:26):
so damn humble afterward. Afterward, brock Purty, Oh, I think
Christian McCaffrey's the MVP. He just does so much for us,
which is just genius, just smart deflected off me. Hey man,
I'm on the aw shucks kind of guy. Don't need
to hype me up. Meanwhile, brock Purty still number one
in the league in pass completion. Browning doesn't have enough
(17:48):
games to qualify. Brock Purty number one in yards per
attempt nine point nine. Rob I saw an insane stat
This didn't totally make sense. But brock Pery has such
a good completion percentage in these nine point nine it's
like one of the greatest all time. When you're I
(18:09):
mean number two is Jake Browning at eight seven, then
two at eighty five, nine point nine yards per attempt
on over three hundred and fifty passes. It's incredible. So
he's first in completions, number two in yards per attempt,
number one BR attempt, I'm sorry, number one in yards
p attempt, number one in QBR dak fell to a
distant two, and he's number one in quarterback rating. Again,
(18:32):
these are just for data points. We can go on
success rate EPA like you could look into whatever you want.
Nobody's been as good as brock perty That's the bottom line, guys,
that's it. And then you go, oh, Trent william Yeah,
Trent Williams okay, and Christian McCaffrey A deebo Samuel and Okay,
I'll just put this out there. Trevor Lawrence, he didn't
(18:53):
have another great game. Two wacky fumbles, lack of situational
awareness here at the end of the half, and Lawrence
ain't having a great season. And I like Trevor Lawrence
a lot. Is the generational talent I think he is.
This is what year three and it's like, okay, we
had the Urban Meyers stinker. Then last year they make
the playoffs, they win a game, they pushed, the Chiefs lose.
You expected Lawrence to make the jump like number one
(19:15):
seed in play and he has not been great. And
I actually Rob saw somebody put out there Jaggs have
to go out and get some help for Trevor Lawrence.
I was like, whoa hold on what you got? Travis
Etn who's the first round pick? He's he's awesome, top
seven eight back in the league. He's very good. You
(19:36):
go out and get Calvin Ridley, who's excellent. You spend
a lot of money on Christian Kirk. Okay, Zay Jones
is pretty damn good. The tight end is Evan Ingram,
who is I mean, not top notch, but he's a
good tight end. They've got a great skill position group
and you're not You're saying like Trevor doesn't have enough weapons,
Like are we really doing that? So now it's brock
(19:56):
Perdy has so many weapons it's not about Purty, but
Trevor doesn't have enough. Rob, why the hell? And again,
I'm not picking on the guy who put this out there.
I should mention his name, Jordan Reid. He's looks like
an NFL draft guy for ESPN. Okay, I'm not bashing him.
I'm just saying I saw that. I'm like the excuses
we continue to make for some people and then the
(20:17):
lack of respect we continue to give others. Rob. It
just kind of irks me. And the brock Purty slander's
coming this week. You can just bet your bottom dollar
brock Purty. Oh come on, he even ceted himself. But
Godfrey's the MVP. I almost can't do this anymore. Rob.
I don't want to continue to waste bandid on it.
But like, this is the number one team in the league.
And just for anybody who's gonna say, who wha wait,
the defense with the Cardinals rush for two hundred and
(20:39):
I have the number here because I wrote it down.
I'm a dork two hundred and twenty four yards. By
the way, I'm the idiot who bet When Kyler Murray
came out, I thought he was injured and they were
gonna just shut him down. Hey, we don't want to
risk it. Clayton tune comes in. I've seen Clayton Looney tune. Okay,
instantly I bet Niners minus twenty and they were only
up by like fourteen. It was stupid, just a little bit.
(21:00):
And then of course the Cardinals score with like fourteen
seconds left in the game to cover the minus twenty
in game bet. I was ah, it was house funny whatever.
This forty nine Ers team was missing their top two
defensive tackles, gave up two hundred and twenty four yards
on the ground to Arizona and still kick their ass.
They were up by over twenty in the final minute
before winning by sixteen. Okay, this team is a beast.
(21:24):
I don't rob rob six to ozho hot streak. They're
averaging thirty four point five yards per game. Oh and
I just found the stat in the Super Bowl era
the highest yards per attempt for a single season. Kurt
Warner was number one nine point eight eight two. Brock
Purty currently number one above Kurt Warner and the Greatest
(21:45):
Show on Turf nine point eight eight three. So again,
Kurt Warner's a Hall of Famer. It's just one stat
that's how historically good brock Purty's been.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Yeah, And for all the people who say, well, you know,
the reason why he has these yards open attemp is
because all this yeah yardage, right, it's the yak yardage.
It's Debo, it's Eu gets Kittle, it's McCaffrey. Brock Purty,
sorry to burst your bubble, has a lower YAK percentage
than MVP season Aaron Rodgers number one, MVP, Aaron Rodgers
number two, the last two MVP season Patrick Mahomes. So
(22:18):
brock Party is doing not doing it himself, but he's
doing it on par or even better than the previous
three MVPs. Okay, just get that out of the way.
Outside of the Lamar Jackson unanimous season, he's right there
with all the other MVPs. He actually gets less of
his percentage of YAK than the other guys do. I'm
(22:39):
so frustrated that you brought up Trevor Lawrence because that
was like my ace in the hole, Like this is
gonna be aid drop on j Matt's head because Trevor Lawrence,
outside of like a six game stretch last season when
I think he was fourteen touchdowns, one pick, has been
the definition of mediocre since he got to the NFL
okay as of this morning, as of this recording in
(23:03):
his career, fifty five touchdown passes, fifty five turnovers. His
passer rating this season is fifteenth. His passing yards per
game is twelve. He is a middle of the road
average quarterback, and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm a
Raiders fan, you're a Jets fan. I'd killed to have
(23:25):
an average, middle of the road quarterback, right like I
would just I'd be doing backflips with that if everyone's
on my quarterback agreed. The problem, though, is because he
was drafted number one, because he was hyped up as
the greatest prospect since Andrew Luck, that he was one
of the great all time quarterback prospects we had ever seen,
and that probably was true if you go back and
(23:45):
look at it from college. He gets the benefit of
the doubt all the time. Right, no matter what he
does or in this case, what he doesn't do, he's
gonna be viewed in this prism as being an upper
echelon quarterback because he fits them of what you would
expect a great quarterback to look like. He's big, he's strong,
he throws a good ball, he's handsome, he has a
(24:06):
strong jaw like that kind of stuff. Right, and then
you have Brock Purty, mister irrelevant, you know, a nondescript
college career, even if he started a lot of games,
and no matter what he does, as you mentioned first
in passer rating first and passing touchdowns first, and TD
in interception ratio first, and TD to per atten first,
(24:29):
and yards per atten first and yards per completion first,
and wins his EPA, the gap between him and Dak
Prescott is the same gap between Dak and Geno Smith. Okay,
he is lights out. He has been fantastic all season long,
even in those three games where he was struggling, he
was concussed, and he was still leading game winning drive.
(24:49):
They just happened to miss a field goal. Right. But
because he's mister irrelevant, because he doesn't look the part,
people have decided he can't possibly be that good. He
can't possibly be the MVP. Christian McCaffrey is the MVP.
And that argument alone doesn't make sense to me because
even if you were to say that Christian McCaffrey is
a better player, which I would say, so, I think
(25:10):
Chrisian mcffrey is just a fantastic football player. There is
no good argument where you could say that Christian McCaffrey,
as great as he is, has been more valuable to
his team than the quarterback who leads the NFL in
like every single major passing category in the year of
(25:30):
twenty twenty three. In the Quarterback League NFL, Brock Party,
with all of his gaudy numbers and his efficiency and
his wins. Somehow the running back is the guy who's
most valuable. We need to give Brock purty. If he
was drafted number two, like Zach Wilson, there would be
no question. I don't think that Brock Party should win
(25:50):
the MVP, but because he's mister Irrelevant, people have these
biases against him, and I just don't get it.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
You got us off on the Lawrence tangent, although I
technically did by bringing him up, so I know you're
not gonna like this argument, Rob, Long story short, I'm
willing to give Lawrence a little bit more time. And
I know the two plus seasons. You're like, wait, you
guys are done with fields? Well, that's unique. The Bears
now have the number one overall pick. Like, sorry, it's
(26:17):
easier to restart the clock than pay fields. Blah blah blah.
Zach Wilson, Well you got Aaron Rodgers. He Wilson's not
supposed to be the starter. Nobody likes him anyway, He's done.
I looked at one career of a guy who went
number one, who was thought to be a generational talent.
And I'm not comparing him to this guy, but number one.
His name is Peyton Manning. Comes in the league, leads
(26:39):
the league in picks, They go three and thirteen, he
turns it around. They get to the playoffs thirteen and three,
but they lose in the playoffs ten and six, losing
the playoffs six and ten. So Peyton Manning four years
in zero playoff wins, five years in zero playoff wins.
Peyton Manning could not win a playoff game until two
(27:00):
thousand and three, his sixth year, and that's the year
they went to the Super Bowl. But it so if
you look at his numbers, like he did lead the
league in yards once and in touchdowns. But if one
thing that changed a lot for Manning from his first
five years rob is the turnovers. He led the leaguan interceptions.
Then it was fifteen, fifteen, twenty three, nineteen. It's a
(27:21):
lot of freaking interceptions. So what happened? Super Bowl year?
Down to ten? After that? Ten, ten, ten, nine, fourteen twelve.
Started to pick up again near the end in Indy,
but when he was at his best, he cut down
the turnovers. I don't know. I've never played quarterback in
the NFL, ROB, I don't know how easy it is
to simply say, stop throwing interceptions, stop trying to force shit.
(27:42):
Trevor Lawrence, hold on to the damn ball. You had
one of these seminal runs in college football in the
last fifty years. With the shout out to Tommy Fraser
of Nebraska, that game costs me money. I had Florida, Yes,
you know the game I'm talking about. Tommy Fraser breaks
fifty tackles on an amazing run. But the Trevor Lawrence
run in the playoff off against Ohio State, to me,
I was freaking out. Of course. I had Clemson in
(28:04):
that game, and I just remember it as, oh my gosh,
this is a quarterback sprinting away from an entire team.
What the hell. Trevor Lawrence does the same thing against
the Ravens and then just vomits the ball up in
the red zone like whoa. He was like it was
like the ball, it wasn't raining or anything. And then
he has another fumble that was just a killer. It
was it was not a great game, and a spotlight
(28:24):
and a spotlight move spotlight spot there for him. I'll
just say this, I believe in Lawrence. The only thing
I heard, Rob that isn't great. Uh and I and
I didn't use this when I first heard it. But
some of these guys like absolutely love football, eat breathe
like Peyton Manning. I mean, it's freak about love for football.
(28:47):
Tom Brady just absolute love everything to him. The one
thing I heard about Trevor Lawrence say is yeah, he
loves football, but he doesn't like love it. Look like
it's everything to him. He's breaking down tape and like
freaking out about football and how can I get better
and be the greatest player ever? Like the only thing
I heard from someone who'd been around him and the
team was that, yeah, he he likes football. Of course
(29:08):
he loves it. This is not a knock. It's just that,
do you know what I mean? Rob? He's like, yeah,
well it's not every it's not his life. He's very religious,
he's family guy. He has a life away from football,
like he is gonna be himself and like football is
his job, you know. And I'm not saying he's gonna
be the next Andrew Luck and walk away at thirty
or whatever, but that was the only thing I heard.
(29:28):
It's just Peterson is like a football lifer, you know,
that kind of deal. And I don't know if that
is Lawrence and I don't think there's friction there or anything.
I just you know, they're two different people. And like,
I don't know how you would find that out about
somebody coming out of college, Like I don't know, Kayleb Williams,
do you love Like how do you know if someone
(29:49):
loves football or not? You got to really really know them,
and that's kind of sort of impossible. I don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Well again, I don't want to seem like I'm tearing
down Trevor lns no, because like I said, I would
love if he was my quarterback, right, I'm right, I
would be very excited if Trevor Lawrence got traded to
the Raiders today. And going back to your point about
whether or not he loves football, I don't know if
you remember this, but he right before the draft did
a feature in Sports Illustrated where he said something along
(30:14):
those lines where it was like, that's not what drives me?
Is you know? Winning football is not the primary focus
in my life. And friend of the podcast for end
of the show, Daniel Kelly, who is a scout for
the Jets. Remember he said as soon as I heard
that quote, it solidified my stance that are his stance
that Trevor Lawrence is going to be a bust.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Now.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I don't think he's been a bust type quarterback, no,
but you know it's it's pretty well documented that he's
one of those Nikola jokicch tis where he's like, I'm
good at it. It provides me a good living i'd
want to be. I'm gonna give all my effort into it.
But to say that my life is defined by what
I do in this sport would be incorrect. He's one
of those guys.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Yeah, over under one and a half Super Bowl appearances
for Trevor Lawrence in his career, oh way under way.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
So you're saying zero, I guess if you have to
said it at half for me to even think about it.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Well, the thing is, I mean he's up against Burrow
and Mahomes. We'll see who Herbert's get gets as a coach.
Lamar Jatt, like all these guys are his age. Like
it's gonna be tough, like when it was Brady and Peyton,
it was it's tough to crack through, right, Yeah, I
mean it's not gonna be easy. I would say one
and a half. I mean, but what have.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
You seen that makes you confident that he's a multiple
super Bowl caliber quarterback or Super Bowl appearance caliber quarter.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I mean, just the ability to make every throw when
he has big screw ups. I undaunted. I want to
go on a Baker Mayfield rant after this. But like
he he seems fearless, Like you see a guy like
Zach Wilson when he gets sacked in the air as
a fumble, it's like totally shook, like he's seen a ghost.
You know, it's I mean, some of these guys, listen,
(32:00):
the spotlight is bright. He just doesn't seem phased by anything.
I I mean, I commanded the offense. I feel like
he can I feel like there's really nothing he can't do.
I mean, when you look at them last yesterday against Ravens.
Drive down, that guy hits the upright miss drive, another
missfield goal. Then he had his fumble, very random. Then
(32:23):
they lose track of the clock. The guy's tackled and
bounds no points like they should have had at least
minimum ten points, maybe thirteen in the first half like that.
This is just fluky, unlucky stuff. But yeah, I'm a
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feel like I got to give this guy some props
because of Baker Mayfield. Now, I liked green Bay in this.
In the Pickham contest, which you guys, I know you
care deeply about this pick this season long pick them contest,
I got roped into with a guy on the herd.
It's like, I don't know, over one hundred people are
in it. I'm up to fourth now, and I think
I had to ask now because i'm top ten. I
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think it pays fourteen thousand dollars if you win. I
don't think I can win. I'm six out. I have
Seattle tonight three and a half. You can't see the
other guy's picks because you can change him up until kickoff.
I'm assuming everybody's gonna have Seattle with the Philly injury.
But in this pick them thing, I had green Bay.
The guy who's first for whatever reason, I don't know
who he is. He apparently's won it in the past
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based on an email, but he basically just goes with
most favorites. Eventually that will hopefully end here. But I
had Green Bay, as did he. I said, green Bay.
You know the two weeks ago Green Bay was like,
oh this is a spicy team. They're dangerous. Lookout took
down the Chiefs, took down the Lion. Look Out. Then
they lose to Tommy Defiedoma and net Football, and then
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they are at home against Baker Mayfield. Baker turns it over,
fumbles inside the Packers, five touchdown Packers, they take the lead.
I'm like, okay, that's probably it right seven to three.
Green Bay's gonna step it up. They got Jordan love Folks.
I had to be a top five performance on the
road for any quarterback I've seen this year. Baker after
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that turnover was lights out. I saw that he had
a perfect quarterback rating. I don't know how you can
do that with a fumble. But he threw for three
hundred and eighty one yards his best game in Tampa
this season. Four touchdowns, three of them in the second
half on the road. Okay, on throws of ten or
more yards. And he was coming into this game on
any throw down the field like he's not great for
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whatever reason. Forty completion percentage on throws of ten or
more yards a season. He was ten of eleven for
two hundred and four yards and two touchdowns in Lambeau. In
a big spot where the Packers needed it, Baker Mayfield
was shredding. I don't even I've never heard of the
guy more who he threw his last touchdown to a
great pass. Folks. This is a Tampa team that I
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had been fading because of the defensive injuries. Right, they
lose Devin White, they lose a cornerback, and I'm like, oh,
these guys can't stop a fucking noseblease. Come on, and
Baker Mayfield keeps coming back and pulling rabbits out of
hats and rob I gotta say, listen, I get it. Baker.
When he was the guy in Cleveland, he did get
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them to the playoffs. I mean, he was on a
good team. And then he tried to play through an injury.
It did not work. He tried to rebound, and I
think it was Charlotte. It was a bust, and then
the rams for five minutes. Sometimes it just takes a
little while. I mean the NFL, the speed and everything,
it's just so much different than like college, whatever level
you played at. I almost don't know what you do
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with Baker. He's a free agent, So what are the choices? Rob?
You can't if you franchise tag him, he's gonna jump
from like, you know, ten mil or whatever, fifteen mil
whatever he's making, to like thirty mill or thirty five million.
I don't know what you do. Do you sign him
to a couple of years. It seems like Todd Bowles
is gonna keep his job. But Bucks look like they're
going to the freaking playoffs and Baker has a lot
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to do with that because the defense has not been great.
I was talking about this team as a teardown. Oh
you trade Evans, you trade Godwin, you tank and you
fire balls, and you can come on, you can make
something happen. Like none of that is even close to
happening now. They do end the season, I believe with
the Saints in a game that is going to determine
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probably who wins that division. But the weird thing, Rob,
they I think Tampa Bay can get into the playoffs
without winning the division because the NFC has been so wretched.
I don't know. Listen, I know people are out on Baker,
and you know, we do love a good redemption story
in America. But for whatever reason, people just like are
just discounting or not even talking about Baker Mayfield. This
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Tampa team, Rob, I don't know that they're scary. Rashan White,
by the way, when did he get good? He is
so fast? I don't know. I'm just kind of smitten
with them. Usually when people beat me and I fade them,
I hate it and I get angry. I'm sorry. Tampa
goes Jacksonville, then New Orleans, then Carolina in the final
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game of the season, so two of three are in
the division next week at home against your boy, Trevor Lawrence.
I don't know. Baker Mayfield in the playoffs is kind
of sort of wild.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Yeah, And you know what I got to, you know,
take some egg on my face because I've gone viral
like two or three times, to the extent that someone
like me can go viral. But one of the reasons
why I went viral is because it may have actually
been on this podcast when I said that Baker Mayfield
in a year is going to be working for the
Big twelve network. Oh and that he's you know, going
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to be out of the NFL, that his days are numbered.
He's going to be hosting some very popular podcast or
be on television in Texas again, you know, in a
year from now. Obviously that did not pan out because
he's having a solid season, you know, three to one
TDD interception ratio and they've won three straight. I, like you,
was ready to throw dirt on his grave, and when
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they lost six of seven there between October and November,
they looked absolutely terrible. And credit to him, because I
still don't think he's a franchise caliber quarterback. I still
would not feel comfortable if he was my starting quarterback
on a week to week basis. But the one thing
that you can say about Baker Mayfield is what you
alluded to, his ability to bounce back, to pull the
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rabbit out of his hat, like as you mentioned, and
that's even going back to college, right, Like, when when
you don't expect a whole lot from Baker Mayfield or
you feel like he's, you know, down in the dumps
and this is going to be the end for him,
he has that quote unquote it factor that allows him
to rise to the level of the occasion and either
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win a big game or have a big throw or
make the key play at the right time, because even
in this three game winning streak, I know he played
great against Green Bay. The previous two games each week
against Carolina and Atlanta, two defenses that are not great
twenty eight of fifty eight, three hundred and forty six
yards across two games. But in both of those games
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that were both one possession, he made the key plays
late to ensure that his team got the win. And
there's something to be said about that. So I'm not
a big Baker Mayfield guy, but kudos to Baker Mayfield
today for having a fantastic game against the Packers.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Do you want to spend any time talking about your
Raiders and that big win? Like you know? If you
If I could find a negative angle for you, it's
that they moved to six and eight out of the
top ten now drafting. By the way, I don't know
if you saw this, but with Carolina's win over Atlanta,
by the way, Desmond Ridder, holy effing what on earth
that passed that he threw? So they're up seven to
six with like I don't know, four minutes left in
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the red zone. He scrambles out of pressure. You're like, ooh,
nice wheels, and then he's approaching the sideline and just
throws like right to a Carolina guy. You're like, what
the fuck is that? I could not believe it, Like
one of the worst passes I've seen this season. And
Ritter does that in the red zone. He panics and
Carolina goes right down kicks the field goal at the buzzer,
and it's like, oh my gosh, Atlanta, they missed the
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playoffs now, but that win for Carolina pushes their record
at two and twelve. They are only one game up
on New England for the number one pick.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Now.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
I don't know who in a tiebreaker would get that,
but Rob, this situation with Belichick is getting real interesting.
If they get the number one pick, do you just
say we're moving on from Belchick and like starting over
with a new regime and the number one or is
Belichick like, Bro, you're not gonna fucking fire me when
you get the number one pick. Come on, I got
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a chance to rebound with my guy. I mean, this
is getting fascinating. By the way, Jets with the loss
are now tied with Bears, Giants, Chargers, and Titans. They're
all five through nine. But it's what's weird is if
you look at those five through nine Bears starting justin
Fieldzer starter six at Jets, Zach Wilson ain't gonna be
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their guy. It looks like it's going to be simming
and going forward, Giants are starting to veto slash tyrod.
Chargers are on Eastern stick, Titans are on will Levis,
all of those guys are on backup. So those are
like quiet tanks for teams that have been eliminated. But
your thoughts on the Raiders dropping US sixty three Burger
on the Charges.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Well, I turned it off at halftime, and even as
a Raiders fan, I had no interest in watching a
team get evstrated like that.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Look.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
The one thing I'll say about this, I mean, it
was cool to see him win, and obviously in a
blowout fashion. At one point when it gets to like
forty two to nothing, though, it almost becomes comical, like
it's just like, are we really that good or they
are just vomiting all over themselves and everything that we
do seems to be working right. We're doing trick plays,
we have a Jack Jones makes one of the great
interceptions you've ever seen, where he reads the play so
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quickly he actually has to reach back to make the
interception because he was so ahead of Austin Eckler on
that screen pass. But the only thing I'll say about
that game is, on one hand, yes, it sucks that
we win by lose or lose by winning because we
drop in the draft and I think we still need
a quarterback. But anybody who thinks that after that game
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that Antonio Pierce is absolutely the answer a head coach,
he is fooling themselves and this and I'm a Raider
fan telling you that because you cannot go Week fourteen
against Minnesota off a bye and lose three to nothing
fair and then you have this blowout win against a
team that obviously had quit on their coach and just assume, well, obviously,
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and Antonio Peers is the guy. It's like, No, it's
much more nuanced than that, because the same guy who
ran up sixty three on the Chargers got shut out
coming off a bye, playing against the Vikings in a
game that if you wanted to make the playoffs realistically,
you had to win. So he may be the coach
going forward. I'm not going to eliminate him from that conversation.
But I'm also not going to be like, well, we
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absolutely found our coach and we had our quarterback just
because we beat up on Eastern Stick. And the soon
to be podcast host Brandon Staley.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Oh damn, I don't even know if he's gonna be host.
Maybe podcast guest.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
There you go podcast guests.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yeah, little harsh By the way, I heard somebody shoot,
I forgot the running back. But like, there was a
guy on the Packers who before Dylan, before Jones, who
was like heavy, he might have gone to Alabama Eddie Lacy. Yes,
so he was like good and then he got like fat, right,
and they called him fat Eddie Lacy? Do you remember that?
Speaker 1 (44:10):
I want to be a Fantasy Championship.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Somebody in my somebody hit me with when did Austin
Eckler turn into Eddie Lacy? And I was like, wow,
First of all, I didn't know Austin Eckler look fat,
but I guess he His hands are going and he's
like losing speed. Ats just very Ekler was so freaking
good last year and now it's like, yeah, he's not good.
I don't know, Rob poor Charger. I don't even think
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the roster's that good. You know, we might have to
get Steve Hartman on I had somebody send me a
link that Hartman said the NFL made the Chargers fireprinted
w Hartman is he's that guy's crazy. I do. I
do appreciate his uh his bombs. He does look to
drop atomically, So maybe this week we'll have to get
him on. But I guess we guess we technically have
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to do a best bet for Eagles Seahawks tonight from Seattle.
The line was four and a half, then four, and
then Glazer reported that Jalen Hurts is very sick. If
the game was Sunday, he would not have played the
lines down to three in that pick'em contest. I got
three and a half. I don't know. I have a
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hard time seeing the Eagles losing this game, but I
don't trust them to get margin here. Yeah, for me,
it's gotta be Seattle or nothing. I don't think I
could lay it with the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Again, I hate agreeing with you, but I think you're
spot on because the Gale Hurst thing is obviously a
question mark, but there's also underreported Gino Smith is a
question mark two, so it's entirely possible to give it.
Marcus Mariota versus Drew Locke, and in those kind of
situations when if one or both of those backups have
to play, it's hard to feel good about either team. Yeah,
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and so in those situations usually end up where it's
a tough, usually ugly, disjointed a game, and in those
instances it's usually cited by a late field goal or
a late touch down something like that. So again, I
wouldn't bet on this one, but if I were to
be taking Seattle.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
And there was the other report about the Eagles defense.
So they're ten and three, and there was one report
that like they moved on from their defensive coordinator Sean
de Sai and now Matt Patricia's calling plays. But then
they were like all the reporters at the same time
must have got the same text from the Eagles. No, no,
sorry for clarification. Desi is still the defensive coordinator, but
he's gonna move upstairs and Patricia will call plays from
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the field or something along those lines. And it's just like,
this is a lot of weirdness for a ten and
three team. I don't know. I don't want to act
like it's an overreaction. And people are talking about the
big Dom, that big Mead, heead on the sideline, who
put his hands on green Law and now he's suspended
for the rest of the season. Can't be suspended, can't
be on the sideline. So there's just a lot happening
with the Eagles. I just I could see Seattle kind
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of playing like they did against Dallas and ultimately losing.
But yeah, give me the three and a half or
three for the Seahawks here. All right, that's a lengthy
Monday pot. I feel like I say that every Monday,
but listen to the NFL. Only has a few weeks
left before the playoffs are here, one week to Christmas.
We will talk later about planning for the week. Talk
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to you tomorrow.
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