December 28, 2023 • 39 mins
On today’s episode, Jason discusses the Denver Broncos’ decision to move off of quarterback Russell Wilson at the end of the season (2:28), identifies the six NFL teams that make the most sense as the next landing spot for Wilson (5:06), how Wilson’s sudden availability might impact Justin Fields’ NFL future (20:22) and whether or not the Los Angeles Lakers should include Austin Reaves in a potential trade for Dejounte Murray (29:45). Finally, J-Mac closes the show with his Best Bet for the New York Jets vs Cleveland Browns Thursday Night Football showdown (41:26).
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This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up, fire, fam,
It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight Fire for Thursday, December twenty eighth.
Ordinarily we would have an exciting Thursday night football game
Jets are playing. I'd be all fired up, alas their
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season is over. It looks like Trevor Simmons the quarterback,
and I don't give a rats ass about Thursday night football.
I will bet the Browns. We'll talk about it later
on Pickspool. Obviously huge. We'll get into that later in
the pod. I need to start with the big NFL news.
We got a lot of NBA to cover. With this
Lakers scuttle butt. I know robb Gie's all worked up.
I'm a little worked up. Anytime I hear Austin Reeves
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potentially being traded, I'm like, yo, not Austin Reeves. I
think he's probably got to be number two on the
team in Jersey says you can't move him anyways. Let's
start with the huge NFL news that dropped Wednesday morning. Now,
it kind of looked like it was coming right. We
saw some reports after that devastating Broncos lost to the Patriots,
On Christmas Eve, we saw reports that Listen Russell Wilson's
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future is uncertain in Denver, and they started throwing around
the money numbers, and then it became very clear that
Russell Wilson's future in Denver was in jeopardy. We saw
the blow up on the sideline with Sean Payton. Russell
Wilson has now been benched, benched in favor of Jared Stidham.
This is not a performance benching, folks, this is Russell
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Wilson's future in Denver is over. He has been benched
so he doesn't get injured. They're on the hook for
massive nearly forty million dollars next year, and then the
following year nearly forty million dollars also guaranteed. So if
they are able to cut him five days before the
new season or the school not the school year, the
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NFL off season begins, they're able to save a lot
of money. So without ding you down with the salary
cap in the numbers, I will make this interesting for you.
A was it a surprise, Not totally, given how sour
it went late in the season. Now, they did lose
a bunch of close games, they did get blasted in Miami. Listen,
it's been an up and down season. Russ has not
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been great. The team was a little fugazi built on
a bunch of turnovers they had during the four or
five game win streak. They got hot, and then reality
said it. And you know, either Peyton doesn't trust Russell
Wilson or Russell can't run the offense a Peyton once.
Either way, it's over. And here's what I got. I'm
gonna hit you with six landing spots for Russell Wilson.
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RUSS just turned thirty five in November. He's coming off
a good, not a horrible season. I know people want
to trash Russell Wilson. I'm calling up the stats here. Okay,
he's sixty six percent of his passes, twenty six touchdowns,
eight picks, by the way, twenty six TV's way up
from last year with Hackett eight picks way down. Here's
an interesting is sacks taken are down significantly with I
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don't know, forty percent less attempt or forty less attempts.
This is what I found interesting. Four fourth quarter comebacks,
four game winning drives, tied for the league lead right now.
So Russ has had some clutch moments. What's hurt him
obviously is you know late in the season, that game
in Houston, multiple turnovers in the red zone, game on
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the line, throws a bad interception against the Patriots ty
game they stormed back in a game they looked awful,
and Russ yeah, I mean I couldn't even get a
first down on that final drive. Patriots come down and
Bailey Zappi beats you. That's humbling. So Russell Wilson done
in Denver. Here are my six landing spots, no particular order,
will go AFC and then NFC. So I think when
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you look at the standings, this is not in any
particular order. I think the first team that jumps out,
without question is the New England Patriots. Big asterisk, since
we don't know if Belichick's gonna be back, but we
know it ain't gonna be back. Jones, his time in
New England has done. You don't get bench multiple times
and comeback. It ain't happening. Maybe he's the backup, but
he is not the starter in any way, shape or form.
Bailey Zappi has been competent. That's about all you could
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say about Bailey Zappy. So they are either in the
market to draft one high or go shopping in free agency,
and Belichick can hopefully spin some magic the way he
kind of was competitive with Cam Newton for half a
season before that fell apart. Obviously, you would love to
draft Caleb Williams, Drake May. They may play themselves out
of that, and then it's like, Ooh, do we want
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Belichick drafting the future of this franchise? Does Belichick like
Russell Wilson? Do they even have the weapons? No? To compete?
Like a lot of questions. Now, I'll say this about
the Patriots defense. They're gonna get the kid Gonzales back,
the great corner from Oregon who was having a great
rookie year before the injury, judah On and company. They
got talent on that team, undeniably. Barmore has been a
beast in the middle. They just don't have offense. I'm
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not saying they're a quarterback away, but they're a quarterback
away from being in contention for a wildcard spot. Could
that be Russell Wilson. I don't think it's an amazing fit.
He goes from a division with Herbert and Mahome to
his division with Tua and Josh Allen who have both
been lights out this year. Not ideal. And oh, by
the way, that Aaron Rodgers guy comes back next year.
So I don't love the Patriots fit, but I think
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it's certainly in play number two. You gotta look at
the Pittsburgh Steelers. As Steelers fans vomit in their mouths
at me saying Russell Wilson in Pittsburgh, let's just consider
their situation. A quarterback. I like Kenny Pickett a lot
coming into this season. I was bullish He's not that guy. Okay,
it's very clear Kenny Pickett has not delivered to the
extent they expected him to. He's been injured. It just
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hasn't been pretty. He clearly does not look like a
franchise quarterback. There haven't even been like wow moments from
him consistently. Okay, So then you look at Mitch Trubisky,
not gonna be him. I'm sorry, I think his time's
over in Pittsburgh. Mason Rudolph has been what has he
been there? Six years? Five? Six years? Like he's a solid,
solid third string quarterback. He may be serviceable as a
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backup enter Russell Wilson. But does Russ even want to
go to that division. He instantly walked in the door
and is competing for third best quarterback in the division.
Burrow's better, Lamar's better. And then it's like, oh, Deshaun
Watson or Russell Wilson, I don't know, and then you
kind of you just make jokes about those two in
their contracts. Listen, I don't love the fit, but but
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if Pittsburgh can get Russ for the right price, it's
certainly an upgrade over Picket. And I'll just remind you
guys like a motivated Russell Wilson can be a dangerous
Russell Wilson. Now. I know he's struggled mightily against the
too high shell. I don't know if the Peyton offense
was too confusing for him. I don't know if he
just couldn't make the throws he was afraid of getting hit.
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I'm not sure what it was, and nobody really without
being in that building, you can source stuff and it's
still not going to be as concrete as whatever Sean
Payton knows. So I think Mike Tomlin would strongly consider
that there's not a great market for free agent quarterbacks.
I think Russ and Justin Fields kind of topped the list.
I don't know if fields works in Pittsburgh. Finally, in
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the AFC, this one will not be popular. But the
Tennessee Titans, now everyone will say, but Jay, hey, they've
drafted quarterbacks the last two years. Oh, Will Levis started
a lot, and Rabel will now have missed the playoffs
back to back years. After three straight years of making
the playoffs, this franchise is teetering on a massive reboot.
We heard Derrick Henry with it what the last ten
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days say, Hey, I'm probably playing my last game here
in a tennise uniform. It's been a great run. Like
he is essentially conceding his time is over. I don't
do you go a full on reboot. Could Rabel survive that?
I don't know. He's a very good coach. Is there
a world where Russell Wilson comes in and it's like, oh,
we convinced Derrick Henry to stay. We have new Hopkins
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who showed pretty well. We got a healthy birds, the
young tight end whose name I won't butcher starting to
show well. We just got to fix the offensive line.
And oh, by the way, the division kind of sort
of stinks. I know. Three teams are in the playoff
mix smoking mirrors. With the Colts, we don't know what
they'll be like with Anthony Richardson, Trevor Lawrence trend downwards
without question, and then CJ. Stroud will see how he
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bounces back from the concussion. He was excellent, no doubt,
and they should anny up in the wide receiver department.
But I think of those three AFC teams, the best
chance of winning quickly would be in Tennessee, for sure,
mostly because of the division. Now you go to the NFC.
We just did the AFC. You go to the NFC,
and this is where it gets a little sexier. I
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will start with I don't know about a long shot,
but I have been discussing it. I don't want to
say I have inside information. I've been discussing it on
the Herd. I've been discussing it here. I believe the
Washington Commanders will be in the market for a splashy,
big name coach and b a splashy quarterback, whether that's
trading up to one or two in the draft or
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going for a big name like Russell Wilson. I think
the Commanders and their new ownership group will be looking
to change things in this franchise, shall we say from
the Daniel Snyder era. Now, some people will just say, listen,
he's washed, He's not our guy. We got the receiver,
were wasting Terry mclaurin's prime. Listen, Sam Howell had his moments.
He's not gonna open the season as a starter. If
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he goes into the battle with Russell Wilson and wins it,
so be it. Jacoby Brissette has been solid, but he's
not a starter in this league. We know he's a
valuable backup. I believe Russell Wilson would probably win that
starting job. The offensive line is shaky. Let's see what
happens on the coaching front. I don't know if Harbaugh
is going to be in play, but I'm just telling
you right now, the new ownership, Harrison Company, will be
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willing to write checks. And if you want to get
a quick face to the franchise, quick everybody, who's the
face of the Washington Commanders franchise? That's what I thought,
right It was Chase Young a few years ago. He's gone,
he's now in San Francisco. It can't be Terry mclauur.
And he's really good. But he's not a faceing franchise guy.
It ain't Howell right like you don't have one. This
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franchise has no identity whatsoever. Russell Wilson gives him that,
and I do believe a big name coach would help.
I think I think Washington's firmly in play for his
s although not gonna be easy to win going against
Philly in Dallas. The next one is Atlanta. Everybody and
their mom's gonna have Atlanta. Russell Wilson obviously went to
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high school in the Richmond area, which is close to DC. Also,
you know, not that far from Atlanta. The regional connection
of Russell Wilson in Atlanta would certainly work. This team
feels ready made for a quarterback. Okay, you got Arthur
Smith kind of failing, but the ownership group a maybe
we move him out bringing a new guy. A lot
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of chatter about the enemy. I think what's clear is
Atlanta does not have a quarterback. Desmond Ritter he's not
that guy. Okay, then you look at Taylor Heinike. He
could be your backup. Those two can slug it out
for the number two guy. Russell Wilson comes in. He's
got b Jeon Robinson, He's got Kyle Pitts, Drake London.
That's a good foundational crew. I think Atlanta's a lot closer.
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The coaching has been suspect, the defense has been even worse.
But Atlanta makes a lot of sense. And I will
close with the team that I perer only think makes
the most sense, and that would be the Minnesota Vikings
and head coach Kevin O'Connell. Kirk Cousins was their guy. Remember,
he was going to be a free agent regardless of
what happened in the season. Okay, ruptures, the Achilles stinks,
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awful injury. As of now, we don't know where kirk
Cousins is going to be. There's not a robust market
for a guy coming off in Achilles. Now. Maybe he
just returns to Minnesota on the cheap, that's possible. Maybe
he moves on to another city and you have a
vacancy at quarterback. O'Connell is very smart. I love what
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I saw with him and Josh Dobbs. I like what
I've seen with him and Nick Mullens. They got talent. Okay,
talk about Hockinson, Addison, justin Jefferson, Maybe they found something
with this kid ty Chandler in the backfield with him
and Madison like they got talent in the defense, played
above the rim all season. I think if Russell Wilson
goes there, and the key here is look at that division. Okay,
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Bears number one pick. We don't know what's going on
Green Bay. I'm not as high on Jordan Love as
some people are. And the other team in that division
is Detroit. They have had an amazing season, they like
Jared Goff and now they're probably going to lose Ben Johnson,
the offensive mastermind, So could be some flux in Detroit
bottom line. I think Russell Wilson and Minnesota with Kevin O'Connor,
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who's a great play caller indoors don't have to deal
with the inclement weather. I think Russell Wilson makes a
hell of a lot of sense in Minnesota. All right,
Rob g, I've just tossed six teams at you for
Russell Wilson's services. Do any of them light your fire?
Do you hate any of them? And did I miss anyone?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
I was taking notes as you were speaking there, because
you had a lot of sound, strong arguments for each one. Oh,
but I'm gonna break down each one as to why
I think or don't think this would be a good fit.
Number One, the Patriots, absolutely not. Bill Belichick is gone.
It's been multi reported multiple times now that he's even
telling guys on his staff that his future is uncertain.
And when you're telling guys my future is uncertain, that
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means that you're gone, right, it's going to be a
full blown tear down in New England. If Bill Belichick's
not there, you have no reason I have a veteran quarterback.
Look for them to try to get someone at the
top of the draft. If not, maybe even a Jade
and Daniels will Lewis me Bo Nicks type later in
round one something of that. But either way, no veteran
quarterback there. The Pittsburgh Steelers a resounding yes, oh one.
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You mentioned they have a win now roster. That defense
is excellent. The receivers. I know that Pickins is getting
a bad rap because of those viral videos about a
week and a half ago, but their receiving corp is pretty good.
It's up there with some of the best in the AFC. Obviously,
the offensive line help, but they're kind of like the
inverse of the Philadelphia Eagles in that they're eight and
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seven with the minus thirty four point differential right like,
if they even get competent quarterback play, this is an
eleven twelve win team. That's how good that defense is.
Their offense right now is only averaging seventeen point one
point per game. Russell Wilson got benched for averaging just
a shade under twenty two points per game. Can you
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imagine the backlips they be doing in Pittsburgh if their
office was getting you twenty two points a game right now?
Russell Wilson has limitations, but he can do enough with
that team and that defense to be highly competitive. So
I would definitely say yes to the Steelers. The Titans,
I'm gonna say no. I'm not a big will Lewis guy.
We've kind of said that now since he got drafted.
But I think he's shown enough flashes in the limited
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time that we've seen him this season that he's gonna
get one more year to kind of prove whether or
I can be the guy. I don't think the clock
is ticking on Mike Rabel until a twenty twenty five season.
I think that Levis and that pairing alone kind of
gives him a stay of execution, so to speak. So
we'll see on that one. The commanders, I'm gonna say yes,
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assuming now they miss out on the top two quarterbacks,
which as as we're recording right now, they would be.
I believe they're picking fourth. In that situation they should.
You still have a chance, though, to get their choice
of the best offensive lineman, the best wide receiver, the
best pass rusher in the draft, because the quarterbacks were,
assuming're gonna go one two. However way you frame it,
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their owner clearly wants to win right now. Okay, that's
been well documented. He wants to, as you say, get
away from the stench that was Daniel Snyder. They're going
to They can be competitive with a decent, non turnover
prone quarterback. The wide receiving corps again is very good,
headlined by Terry McLaurin. Their running back room again is
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very good. The defense is terrible. But if you can
get Russell Wilson on a team friendly contract, which I'm
assuming he's gonna have to take to kind of rehabilitate
his image after what's gone now the last year and
a half, you're gonna have some resources available to you,
both via the draft and in free agency to kind
of replenish that defense. Remember they made that trade, the
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Montese sweat trade and the Chase Young trade, so it'd
have a couple of extra picks in the cupboard. Atlanta,
I'm gonna say flat out no, I think that your
argument in favor of getting Russell Wilson actually works against them.
The weapons that they have there are very good, they're
very young, they're very cheap, which means you can push
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all in instead of on a guy like Russell Wilson
on a higher ceiling quarterback, a Lah Kirk Cousins, a
Lah Justin Fields.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Wait wait, hold on, so you have Fields as more
desirable than Russ.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I think that his ceiling is absolutely higher. I think
his price tag as a result, is going to be higher.
But because the weapons they are in Atlanta are so
young and they're all mostly on rookie deals, you can
afford to take the riskier move and pay more for
a Justin Fields or Kirk. Cuts obviously would be the
ideal situation, assuming his health is already. So if I'm Atlanta,
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the last thing I want to do is take a
shot on a quarterback who as of right now is
viewed as just the guy. You know, I don't think
Russell Wilson was the problem in Denver, but he obviously
wasn't the solution. And in Atlanta, in that division as
mediocre as it is, you don't want another quote unquote
mediocre quarterback. You want someone who kind of gives you
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the upside that he just doesn't offer. Right now, Minnesota,
I thought that was your sneakiest pick of the of
the whole segment there, because I'm gonna say yes. I'm
gonna say yes with them because again, all this hinges
on Kirk Cousins. If Kirk Cousins prices himself out, which
he is more than in his rights to do given
the season that he was having before he got hurt,
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or he seeks a shorter term, fully guaranteed deal, and
Kirk Cousins is that guy he is gonna hold out
for that kind of a contract because he's already shown
to do that multiple times. Now, you know, Deshaun Watson
gets the credit for getting the first fully guaranteed deal. No,
it was Kirk Cousins who did that. People forget about that.
Kirk Cousins is a business man all right, And I
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don't see him taking a hometown discount to stay in Minnesota.
If they're not gonna, you know, back up the brinkstrip
for him and give him a four or five year
deal or a two to three fully guaranteed year contract,
I don't see him staying in Minnesota. You also got
the TJ. Howkinson contracts about to kick in. There's gonna
be a massive all time contract extension coming for Justin Jefferson.
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You know he's not gonna sign anything less than the
highest paid wide receiver in NFL history by a good margin.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
That's tough.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
So with all that factored in, it might make sense
then to go after Russell Wilson, who can still fit
the win Now roster while also not being as expensive
at Kirk Cousins and allows you to build out the
rest of that roster.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Interesting. I think one of the things that I did
not even consider that you said that made me perk
my ears up is the justin fields. You would rather
have justin fields. So for Russell Wilson, you can get
him in like the dollar store right now, right, I
mean right. You could get Denver to eat most of
the contract and probably attached like a late round pick,
like they got to get him off the books. I
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think Fields would probably cause if they can get some
kind of bidding war the Bears. I don't see why
a team wouldn't give like a second round pick for
Justin Fields the right team or a three and a four.
You know, Fields, he's done some things and again I
know that you know the record is what everybody get
caught up on rob but like Fields is more mobile
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than Russ, I don't know about the I don't think
the accuracy is there. I don't even know about the
deep ball accuracy. I guess it's just more of an
opportunity to mold Justin Fields and have him grow, as
opposed to getting a guy who's now been basically dumped
by the last two places where he was. That's gotta
be a tough moment for Russell. Will any teams we
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forgot you think well?
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I saw a lot of people talking about the Raiders.
I don't think that would be a fit number one
either way. I don't think anyone's gonna trade for Russell Wilson,
point blank period. I think that they understand that Denver
is in such a position of weakness, given that they're
already benching him given his contract, and now they've had
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two coaching regimes who have decided that he's not good enough.
So any leverage that they might have tried to had
over someone is out the window. To me, You're just
gonna wait and wait and wait until they cut him
with the post June one designation and you can get
him for free. And by all accounts, you're gonna be
able to get him on a bargain basement contract because
as you alluded to open things up, he's gonna have
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about ninety million dollars coming to him, you know, guaranteed
not bad, so you know he can afford to beat
to take something less. And that's why if you're a
team like Atlanta or My Raiders for that matter, if
you want to secure a quarterback, then you're not feeling
confident about where you're drafting in this upcoming draft. Maybe
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you don't like bon Nicks, you don't like Michael Pennix
because of the injury. You don't believe that Jaden Daniels
is the truth. That is, he kind of a flash
in the pan one year type guy. You can take
a flyer on a Justin Fields instead, And like you said,
only give up a second round pick, and you'll still
have at least a year or two to evaluate him
before you have to decide whether or not he's the
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real deal.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Just to be clear, I like Fields a lot more
than others. Everybody just is writing them off, and I
get that he makes some bad mistakes here, but it's
not like he's been in a great system. So I'll
give him a bit of a pass. I'm not giving
up a lot for him. A second round pick is
pretty rich, but it depends, Like you know, some of
these teams are like, if you're Atlanta, I think you
could go with a second round pick. Honestly, like you're close,
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You're at a crap division. You know, even Tampa lucks
out with the division or the Saints when like, neither
of those teams scare you going forward. I think Justin
Fields could certainly help in Atlanta. I think Russell Wilson
could too.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
But yeah, question for you, so you know, if it
comes down to those two guys and you're a quarterback
needy team, if it's Field or Wilson, do you pay
the premium and trade for Justin Fields earlier so that
you secure him, or do you wait until the draft.
They draft Caleb Williams and suddenly the pri the price
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comes down. But now you have a whole field of
guys or teams who are looking to get involved in
that mix.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
The price comes down for who for Russ?
Speaker 1 (22:36):
No for Fields, because I think Russ's price is going
to be it is what it is, like, it's never
gonna be anything more.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah, well, you got to sort out the coaching stuff, right,
You've got to figure out what's happening, Like who's the
coach in Atlanta? Are they keeping him? I mean, if
he doesn't have a vote of confidence from the owner,
not great. I think the one guy who probably has
the clout to do the quick deal for him would
be Tomlin. But I don't know if he wants to
get involved with Justin Thomas is not an offensive guy.
I don't know. That's a tough one. Like who's their
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offensive coordinator? Remember they fired Canada? They got the interim.
I don't know if he's gonna be the guy. The
coaching stuff has to trickle first. But I do like
to strike early and get my guy. If they identify
fields and see he's the dude, boom you get him.
I did see one of the silliest takes I saw
and listen, I'm not trying to be a hater Christmas week,
but I saw somebody say, boy, Rock Purty so bad
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tonight against the Ravens. Imagine what Justin Fields could do
with all those weapons. And I was like, Bro, you
do know Fields was in the draft where the Niners
traded up for Trey Lance. They could have had Fields
traded up, stay put. They could have had him. They
didn't want him. He's not a good fit in that offense.
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Is he more talented than Party, Well, certainly he's a
way better athlete, but is he a better fit? That's
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Rob a couple interesting stories, but we're just gonna hammer
this Lakers story because obviously out in LA we can
see the analytics. We know we got a lot of
Los Angeles listeners and Schams Sharania and I will go
as a side real quick. He's a reporter for Yahoo
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and Stadium and all these places. Schams Sharania also he
reports a lot of clutch sports stuff. He is in
with that camp is reporting that the Lakers have either
been offered or discussed or in discussions with the Atlanta Hawks,
and the potential deal would be Jackson Hayes and Austin
(25:59):
Reeves for Dejanta Murray of the Hawks. Now just background.
I like Dejana Murray. I've liked him since that deal
was done. I think he's a really talented player. He's
not quite an All NBA guy, but he's very, very good.
It hasn't totally worked out with Trey Young there in
Atlanta the backcourt. Some had predicted it wouldn't. I was
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trying to be more optimistic and it just it hasn't
happened yet. It's you know, they're on the second coach,
but we'll see. I just want to nit this in
the butt right now, Rob number one. Under no circumstances
of my trading. Austin Reeves not untouchable, but it would
have to be a trade that like is you'll laugh
at me for sake, But I value Austin Reeves in
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such high regard. I wouldn't trade him for anybody who
wasn't at the minimum minimum an NBA All Star, and
in all honesty, I like Austin Reeves. I think he's
got a future with the Lakers. I think he's got
a future in this league. He's an Olympian over the stuff.
But like, the guy can play, he can play in systems.
He's got a chip on his shoulder in side outside
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scores at all three levels, plus defender, great length, like
he's awesome, can create his own shot. Go look at
his playoff numbers. Man. Guy's freaking awesome as a young
guy playing with Lebron. I'm not trading Austin Reeves for
de Johanta Murray. No way, just not happening. Now. If
you want to get idiotic and be like, Okay, what
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about Jalen Brown for Austin Reeves, Well that's a totally
different discussion. Boston's not doing that. You know, Austin Reeves
got like a sixty million dollar contract. Jalen Brown's gonna
be like a fifty million a year guy. Totally different players,
and I love Austin Reeves and Rob's probably chuckling that
has no chance of happening, just to be clear, but
it's like, that's how highly I think a Reeves. Now,
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obviously there are issues with the Lakers as they continue
to hemorrhage points, they continue to struggle on offense. Darvin
Ham is like, have you guys seen bird Box with
Samantha Bullock? Oh, sorry, Sandra Bullock And she's rowing the
boat with the kids in it and she's like blindfolded.
That's when it feels like Darvin is doing right now
with his substitution patterns for the Lakers. I mean this idea. Hey,
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let's get Reached to the bench. Now, let's get Delo. Okay,
let's get Delo to the bench too. Let's start ver
Jared Vanderbilt like he's just grasping it. Straw's bro, like,
what are you doing? Okay, Lakers got some problem. I
don't know why Christian Wood. I think I asked you this.
A lazy Laker sees a ticket holder, buddy, Why is
it christian Wood playing? I know Jason doesn't play defense.
Does anyone in the league like Christian Wood could make threes.
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He I mean, he's a valuable piece. For you're asking me,
I don't undershare why Christan Wood isn't playing. And remember, folks,
last year, I was like, mister Lonnie Walker. I was like,
why is it Lonnie Walker playing? He's good, get him
out there. He didn't play forever came up big late.
I liked the cam Reddish move. The one guy that
I'm seeing that's just not really delivering. I don't know
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if it was the injury to the face or whatever
he had going on, but ruiy Haachi Mora doesn't look
like the same guy he did in the playoffs last year.
Obviously that's not great for his trade value. But if
it's me, yeah, whatever, Let's see what we can get
for D'Angelo, Russell and RUI. I don't think you can
get much. I'm not ready to ship Gabe Vincent yet.
I just haven't seen enough. I liked what I saw
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in Miami. People thought, oh, he's gonna bring the heat
culture to LA. You just haven't seen it. He's heard,
he's not playing a lot, and when he does play,
it's very little. So I'll just go on a record.
I hate this deal. B I don't believe it. I
don't think Sham's is straight up lying. I think what
happens a lot with NBA chatter is when everybody knows
the team is looking to make a move, like the Lakers,
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you get the zach Lavine stuff by everybody in their
mom and to get everybody in their mom off the scent,
what do you do? You got a little misdirection over
here where you say de Jona Murray, Austin Reeves, boom,
let's put him in the deal and can you get
that name out there? Deal's not happening, but it's a
great piece of misdirection to get people now talking about
that while you can now work in the shadows to
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get the real deal you want elsewhere. I'm telling you
they're not getting de Jon to Murray. Guys, that's not happening.
I don't know if it's zach Lavine, you know I
like him? Is it Carus show? I don't know. But
rob Gie, mister Laker, where are you on the de
Jante Marie stuff?
Speaker 1 (30:09):
I would love to get John to Murray, but I,
like you said, I would not give up Boston Reeves,
and not just because I'm a Lakers homer or I
have some kind of a blind allegiance to Austin Reeves.
It's because he is a proven high level rotation player
in the NBA and the biggest thing are two biggest things.
Number One, he's shown his ability to play off of
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and alongside Lebron James, and that is something that I
know that people will scoff at. But it is not
as easy as it sounds. There's a reason why guys
like Chris Bosh, Kevin Love, you know, their numbers have
to take a back seat alongside Lebron because Lebron is
such a dominating figure in the NBA. You know, he
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likes a certain archetype of guy. He wants you to
kind of stand in the corner space out shoot threes
and defend. And if you can do anything more than that,
you almost have to become a subservient player because Lebron's
doesn't really allow you to be the best version of yourself.
Where Austin Reeves is unique is that he doesn't need
the ball to be successful. He can attack close outs,
he can create a little bit, so he fits in
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good with Lebron. But the other reason is his contract.
They got in some kind of loophole because of the
RESTIKTA free agency the next three years, he's only going
to be making about thirteen million dollars a year. I know,
it sounds like a lot of putting into perspective. Here,
some guys who you are making about fifteen million dollars,
Luke Kennard, Kris LeVert. Okay, the aforementioned Rujya Chia Murray
is making fifteen point seven. You mope to seventeen million.
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You got Jonathan Isaac barely even in the NBA right now,
Marcus Morris Senior's riding the bench in Philadelphia, Davis Berton's
in OKC. So to get a guy who is that
good for thirteen million dollars and you have him under
team control, you better get something great in return. De
Jontay Murray is very, very good. He'd be a huge
upgrade for the Lakers, but not at the expense of
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a of a chip like Austin Reeves, who is good
number one and two under team control. So unless you
can find a way to flip Ruy and d Low
and some pick swaps and a first round pick, then sure,
but I don't think that's possible. And the other thing,
which is the Dirty Little Secret. Dady is NBA de
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John Tay Murray is a clutch sports guy. Anytime there's
a clutch sports client, or excuse me, anytime the Lakers
are involved in a player, check to see who they're
represented by. Because earlier this year I saw they were
linked to Miles Bridges coming off of domestic violence allegations.
I think it was actually a conviction. I'm almost positive
and sure enough, Well, the Lakers will be interested if
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the Horners want to trade for him or want to
trade him. So, if it's a clutch sports guy, promise
you the Lakers are going to be linked to him
between now and the trade deadline.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Yeah, it'll be interesting. Lakers kind of flailing paper clips
playing well, it's still too early to get excited, but
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your out watching the game. He's making money while you
do it. Here's your best bet. We've got the Cleveland
Browns and my Jets. I to be honest, guys, this
is the least interested I've been in the Jets. I
barely watched the Washington game. In full disclosure. I was
so upset, so upset when the Washington commanders appeared to
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be quitting and it was seventeen nothing that I live.
Bet the Jets at like minus seven and a half.
I was like, you pricks, you're gonna win this. Fine,
You're gonna blow them out. Let me just back it. Well,
you know, how that turned out not good is how
I should put it. So let's get to the big
game tonight. It's the Jets in Cleveland, Trevor Simeon against
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a Browns defense that has shut down just about everyone
they've played. I would be beyond floored if the Jets
got to thirteen and a half, or I would guess
their team total is probably thirteen and a half points.
Maybe there's a Flacco mistake and the Jets score a
defensive touchdown, you get some fluky stuff penalty down the field, Garret,
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whatever it is. There's a chance also that the Jets
cannot move the football here. I'm just being real with you, guys.
This Cleveland defense at home is nasty. Trevor Simeon Night game.
Come on, this has seventeen to six written all over it.
I don't see how you're not on the Browns here.
The total is thirty five with a spread of seven
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and a half. How does that so you're saying that
it'll be so you're saying Brown's twenty one Jets thirteen, right,
that's pretty much what the line is saying, or thereabouts
twenty one fourteen right in that vicinity, I would go
Jets team total under thirteen and a half, I would
go Browns, mind a seven and a half, I would
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go under for the game. Jets defense is good. No
doubt that Flacco will struggle. It's not like Amari Cooper's
gonna have two hundred and forty yards receiving. Again, I
don't know that the Browns will be able to run.
This is probably a big in Djoku game. This is
probably an Elijah Moore revenge special member, the former Jets receiver. Yeah,
I'll go Browns. Give me the Browns twenty and the
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Jets nine. How's that just a crap, Gabe Thursday night.
The smart people are probably staying in and hydrating four
New Year's Eve. Rob. I know you're going heavy on
this one, obviously.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Right, absolutely, And I'm actually going the exact opposite of you. No, Mike,
give me the Jets with the points and the over.
I know everyone loves Joe Flacco, the elite Joe Flacco,
Super Bowl MVP Joe Flacco. You know he's currently in
the race for a comeback Player of the Year because
he was on his couch as recently as November.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Lost in the sauce of this whole Joe Flacco comeback
story and everyone's so excited about it, and the Browns
are live in the AFC North. He's thrown seven interceptions
in four games. True that Jets defense is going to
be able to turn the ball over on Joe Flacco.
I don't know if now again, I don't know if
the Jets offense will be able to convert those turnovers
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into touchdowns. But I would not be surprised to see
them get a lot of short fields. I would not
be surprised if we get a defensive score from the
New York Jets. So I believe the Browns win, but
I believe it's going to be a Jets cover. And
I think that total in today's NFL is just way
too low.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
So it's funny you say that Joe Flacco was on
his sofa two months ago. You know where Joe Flacco
was last year, right, everybody? He was on the New
York Jets team. So Nathaniel Hacket comes in, Oh, we've
got Rogers, we got Zach as the back. We don't
need Joe Flacco. Okay, we'll move on from him. Then
Aaron Rodgers goes down, and you know one might think
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the Jets GM would you know, by the way Joe
Douglas was in Baltimore knows Flacco. You would think Douglas
would have said, let's give Joe Flacco a call, see
what he's up to. Played with us last year, maybe
he could give us something. They went, they went and
called Trevor Simeon and that was after starting. Oh my gosh,
I've already forgot the guy Rob who was the guy
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that started after Zach was benched. I mean Tim Boyle,
Tim Boyle, this is how, this is how moronic. The
franchise I root for is could have called Flacco. They
went Tim Boyle, and they went Trevor Simeon. Meanwhile, Cleveland
calls up Joe Flacco. He comes in and he's just
slaying comeback Player of the Year in the mix, chucking
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it all over the field, making some pretty ridiculous throws,
like I know, some of it's luck and the Rams
game he had that bad interception deep and like Rob said,
he's got a bunch of interceptions. Cousin's also went the
playoff mix with a guy who was raking leaves two
months ago, and the Jets could have called him because
they had him last year and they didn't even think
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to do that, Like, just wrap your head. What kind
of organization operates like that? A clueless one? Like all
it is, oh, well, yeah, let's get Flacco in here.
Rogers has done for the season. We gotta get dudes,
Cleveland gets Flacco. Cleveland's going to the playoffs. And listen,
if they go to Kansas City for that for that
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playoff game. You know who's not gonna be scared January
Joe Flacco. He's not gonna be scared. Man. Just let
that sink in. Jets could have had Joe Flacco didn't
even make a move, did not even make a move,
and he's thriving in Cleveland. All right, that's a lengthy
Thursday pod. We'll be back tomorrow with the usual Friday
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gambling fair. I'll talk to you then,
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up, fire, fam,
It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight Fire for Thursday, December twenty eighth.
Ordinarily we would have an exciting Thursday night football game
Jets are playing. I'd be all fired up, alas their
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season is over. It looks like Trevor Simmons the quarterback,
and I don't give a rats ass about Thursday night football.
I will bet the Browns. We'll talk about it later
on Pickspool. Obviously huge. We'll get into that later in
the pod. I need to start with the big NFL news.
We got a lot of NBA to cover. With this
Lakers scuttle butt. I know robb Gie's all worked up.
I'm a little worked up. Anytime I hear Austin Reeves
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potentially being traded, I'm like, yo, not Austin Reeves. I
think he's probably got to be number two on the
team in Jersey says you can't move him anyways. Let's
start with the huge NFL news that dropped Wednesday morning. Now,
it kind of looked like it was coming right. We
saw some reports after that devastating Broncos lost to the Patriots,
On Christmas Eve, we saw reports that Listen Russell Wilson's
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future is uncertain in Denver, and they started throwing around
the money numbers, and then it became very clear that
Russell Wilson's future in Denver was in jeopardy. We saw
the blow up on the sideline with Sean Payton. Russell
Wilson has now been benched, benched in favor of Jared Stidham.
This is not a performance benching, folks, this is Russell
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Wilson's future in Denver is over. He has been benched
so he doesn't get injured. They're on the hook for
massive nearly forty million dollars next year, and then the
following year nearly forty million dollars also guaranteed. So if
they are able to cut him five days before the
new season or the school not the school year, the
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NFL off season begins, they're able to save a lot
of money. So without ding you down with the salary
cap in the numbers, I will make this interesting for you.
A was it a surprise, Not totally, given how sour
it went late in the season. Now, they did lose
a bunch of close games, they did get blasted in Miami. Listen,
it's been an up and down season. Russ has not
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been great. The team was a little fugazi built on
a bunch of turnovers they had during the four or
five game win streak. They got hot, and then reality
said it. And you know, either Peyton doesn't trust Russell
Wilson or Russell can't run the offense a Peyton once.
Either way, it's over. And here's what I got. I'm
gonna hit you with six landing spots for Russell Wilson.
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RUSS just turned thirty five in November. He's coming off
a good, not a horrible season. I know people want
to trash Russell Wilson. I'm calling up the stats here. Okay,
he's sixty six percent of his passes, twenty six touchdowns,
eight picks, by the way, twenty six TV's way up
from last year with Hackett eight picks way down. Here's
an interesting is sacks taken are down significantly with I
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don't know, forty percent less attempt or forty less attempts.
This is what I found interesting. Four fourth quarter comebacks,
four game winning drives, tied for the league lead right now.
So Russ has had some clutch moments. What's hurt him
obviously is you know late in the season, that game
in Houston, multiple turnovers in the red zone, game on
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the line, throws a bad interception against the Patriots ty
game they stormed back in a game they looked awful,
and Russ yeah, I mean I couldn't even get a
first down on that final drive. Patriots come down and
Bailey Zappi beats you. That's humbling. So Russell Wilson done
in Denver. Here are my six landing spots, no particular order,
will go AFC and then NFC. So I think when
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you look at the standings, this is not in any
particular order. I think the first team that jumps out,
without question is the New England Patriots. Big asterisk, since
we don't know if Belichick's gonna be back, but we
know it ain't gonna be back. Jones, his time in
New England has done. You don't get bench multiple times
and comeback. It ain't happening. Maybe he's the backup, but
he is not the starter in any way, shape or form.
Bailey Zappi has been competent. That's about all you could
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say about Bailey Zappy. So they are either in the
market to draft one high or go shopping in free agency,
and Belichick can hopefully spin some magic the way he
kind of was competitive with Cam Newton for half a
season before that fell apart. Obviously, you would love to
draft Caleb Williams, Drake May. They may play themselves out
of that, and then it's like, Ooh, do we want
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Belichick drafting the future of this franchise? Does Belichick like
Russell Wilson? Do they even have the weapons? No? To compete?
Like a lot of questions. Now, I'll say this about
the Patriots defense. They're gonna get the kid Gonzales back,
the great corner from Oregon who was having a great
rookie year before the injury, judah On and company. They
got talent on that team, undeniably. Barmore has been a
beast in the middle. They just don't have offense. I'm
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not saying they're a quarterback away, but they're a quarterback
away from being in contention for a wildcard spot. Could
that be Russell Wilson. I don't think it's an amazing fit.
He goes from a division with Herbert and Mahome to
his division with Tua and Josh Allen who have both
been lights out this year. Not ideal. And oh, by
the way, that Aaron Rodgers guy comes back next year.
So I don't love the Patriots fit, but I think
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it's certainly in play number two. You gotta look at
the Pittsburgh Steelers. As Steelers fans vomit in their mouths
at me saying Russell Wilson in Pittsburgh, let's just consider
their situation. A quarterback. I like Kenny Pickett a lot
coming into this season. I was bullish He's not that guy. Okay,
it's very clear Kenny Pickett has not delivered to the
extent they expected him to. He's been injured. It just
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hasn't been pretty. He clearly does not look like a
franchise quarterback. There haven't even been like wow moments from
him consistently. Okay, So then you look at Mitch Trubisky,
not gonna be him. I'm sorry, I think his time's
over in Pittsburgh. Mason Rudolph has been what has he
been there? Six years? Five? Six years? Like he's a solid,
solid third string quarterback. He may be serviceable as a
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backup enter Russell Wilson. But does Russ even want to
go to that division. He instantly walked in the door
and is competing for third best quarterback in the division.
Burrow's better, Lamar's better. And then it's like, oh, Deshaun
Watson or Russell Wilson, I don't know, and then you
kind of you just make jokes about those two in
their contracts. Listen, I don't love the fit, but but
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if Pittsburgh can get Russ for the right price, it's
certainly an upgrade over Picket. And I'll just remind you
guys like a motivated Russell Wilson can be a dangerous
Russell Wilson. Now. I know he's struggled mightily against the
too high shell. I don't know if the Peyton offense
was too confusing for him. I don't know if he
just couldn't make the throws he was afraid of getting hit.
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I'm not sure what it was, and nobody really without
being in that building, you can source stuff and it's
still not going to be as concrete as whatever Sean
Payton knows. So I think Mike Tomlin would strongly consider
that there's not a great market for free agent quarterbacks.
I think Russ and Justin Fields kind of topped the list.
I don't know if fields works in Pittsburgh. Finally, in
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the AFC, this one will not be popular. But the
Tennessee Titans, now everyone will say, but Jay, hey, they've
drafted quarterbacks the last two years. Oh, Will Levis started
a lot, and Rabel will now have missed the playoffs
back to back years. After three straight years of making
the playoffs, this franchise is teetering on a massive reboot.
We heard Derrick Henry with it what the last ten
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days say, Hey, I'm probably playing my last game here
in a tennise uniform. It's been a great run. Like
he is essentially conceding his time is over. I don't
do you go a full on reboot. Could Rabel survive that?
I don't know. He's a very good coach. Is there
a world where Russell Wilson comes in and it's like, oh,
we convinced Derrick Henry to stay. We have new Hopkins
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who showed pretty well. We got a healthy birds, the
young tight end whose name I won't butcher starting to
show well. We just got to fix the offensive line.
And oh, by the way, the division kind of sort
of stinks. I know. Three teams are in the playoff
mix smoking mirrors. With the Colts, we don't know what
they'll be like with Anthony Richardson, Trevor Lawrence trend downwards
without question, and then CJ. Stroud will see how he
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bounces back from the concussion. He was excellent, no doubt,
and they should anny up in the wide receiver department.
But I think of those three AFC teams, the best
chance of winning quickly would be in Tennessee, for sure,
mostly because of the division. Now you go to the NFC.
We just did the AFC. You go to the NFC,
and this is where it gets a little sexier. I
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will start with I don't know about a long shot,
but I have been discussing it. I don't want to
say I have inside information. I've been discussing it on
the Herd. I've been discussing it here. I believe the
Washington Commanders will be in the market for a splashy,
big name coach and b a splashy quarterback, whether that's
trading up to one or two in the draft or
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going for a big name like Russell Wilson. I think
the Commanders and their new ownership group will be looking
to change things in this franchise, shall we say from
the Daniel Snyder era. Now, some people will just say, listen,
he's washed, He's not our guy. We got the receiver,
were wasting Terry mclaurin's prime. Listen, Sam Howell had his moments.
He's not gonna open the season as a starter. If
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he goes into the battle with Russell Wilson and wins it,
so be it. Jacoby Brissette has been solid, but he's
not a starter in this league. We know he's a
valuable backup. I believe Russell Wilson would probably win that
starting job. The offensive line is shaky. Let's see what
happens on the coaching front. I don't know if Harbaugh
is going to be in play, but I'm just telling
you right now, the new ownership, Harrison Company, will be
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willing to write checks. And if you want to get
a quick face to the franchise, quick everybody, who's the
face of the Washington Commanders franchise? That's what I thought,
right It was Chase Young a few years ago. He's gone,
he's now in San Francisco. It can't be Terry mclauur.
And he's really good. But he's not a faceing franchise guy.
It ain't Howell right like you don't have one. This
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franchise has no identity whatsoever. Russell Wilson gives him that,
and I do believe a big name coach would help.
I think I think Washington's firmly in play for his
s although not gonna be easy to win going against
Philly in Dallas. The next one is Atlanta. Everybody and
their mom's gonna have Atlanta. Russell Wilson obviously went to
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high school in the Richmond area, which is close to DC. Also,
you know, not that far from Atlanta. The regional connection
of Russell Wilson in Atlanta would certainly work. This team
feels ready made for a quarterback. Okay, you got Arthur
Smith kind of failing, but the ownership group a maybe
we move him out bringing a new guy. A lot
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of chatter about the enemy. I think what's clear is
Atlanta does not have a quarterback. Desmond Ritter he's not
that guy. Okay, then you look at Taylor Heinike. He
could be your backup. Those two can slug it out
for the number two guy. Russell Wilson comes in. He's
got b Jeon Robinson, He's got Kyle Pitts, Drake London.
That's a good foundational crew. I think Atlanta's a lot closer.
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The coaching has been suspect, the defense has been even worse.
But Atlanta makes a lot of sense. And I will
close with the team that I perer only think makes
the most sense, and that would be the Minnesota Vikings
and head coach Kevin O'Connell. Kirk Cousins was their guy. Remember,
he was going to be a free agent regardless of
what happened in the season. Okay, ruptures, the Achilles stinks,
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awful injury. As of now, we don't know where kirk
Cousins is going to be. There's not a robust market
for a guy coming off in Achilles. Now. Maybe he
just returns to Minnesota on the cheap, that's possible. Maybe
he moves on to another city and you have a
vacancy at quarterback. O'Connell is very smart. I love what
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I saw with him and Josh Dobbs. I like what
I've seen with him and Nick Mullens. They got talent. Okay,
talk about Hockinson, Addison, justin Jefferson, Maybe they found something
with this kid ty Chandler in the backfield with him
and Madison like they got talent in the defense, played
above the rim all season. I think if Russell Wilson
goes there, and the key here is look at that division. Okay,
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Bears number one pick. We don't know what's going on
Green Bay. I'm not as high on Jordan Love as
some people are. And the other team in that division
is Detroit. They have had an amazing season, they like
Jared Goff and now they're probably going to lose Ben Johnson,
the offensive mastermind, So could be some flux in Detroit
bottom line. I think Russell Wilson and Minnesota with Kevin O'Connor,
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who's a great play caller indoors don't have to deal
with the inclement weather. I think Russell Wilson makes a
hell of a lot of sense in Minnesota. All right,
Rob g, I've just tossed six teams at you for
Russell Wilson's services. Do any of them light your fire?
Do you hate any of them? And did I miss anyone?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
I was taking notes as you were speaking there, because
you had a lot of sound, strong arguments for each one. Oh,
but I'm gonna break down each one as to why
I think or don't think this would be a good fit.
Number One, the Patriots, absolutely not. Bill Belichick is gone.
It's been multi reported multiple times now that he's even
telling guys on his staff that his future is uncertain.
And when you're telling guys my future is uncertain, that
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means that you're gone, right, it's going to be a
full blown tear down in New England. If Bill Belichick's
not there, you have no reason I have a veteran quarterback.
Look for them to try to get someone at the
top of the draft. If not, maybe even a Jade
and Daniels will Lewis me Bo Nicks type later in
round one something of that. But either way, no veteran
quarterback there. The Pittsburgh Steelers a resounding yes, oh one.
(13:24):
You mentioned they have a win now roster. That defense
is excellent. The receivers. I know that Pickins is getting
a bad rap because of those viral videos about a
week and a half ago, but their receiving corp is pretty good.
It's up there with some of the best in the AFC. Obviously,
the offensive line help, but they're kind of like the
inverse of the Philadelphia Eagles in that they're eight and
(13:45):
seven with the minus thirty four point differential right like,
if they even get competent quarterback play, this is an
eleven twelve win team. That's how good that defense is.
Their offense right now is only averaging seventeen point one
point per game. Russell Wilson got benched for averaging just
a shade under twenty two points per game. Can you
(14:06):
imagine the backlips they be doing in Pittsburgh if their
office was getting you twenty two points a game right now?
Russell Wilson has limitations, but he can do enough with
that team and that defense to be highly competitive. So
I would definitely say yes to the Steelers. The Titans,
I'm gonna say no. I'm not a big will Lewis guy.
We've kind of said that now since he got drafted.
But I think he's shown enough flashes in the limited
(14:28):
time that we've seen him this season that he's gonna
get one more year to kind of prove whether or
I can be the guy. I don't think the clock
is ticking on Mike Rabel until a twenty twenty five season.
I think that Levis and that pairing alone kind of
gives him a stay of execution, so to speak. So
we'll see on that one. The commanders, I'm gonna say yes,
(14:50):
assuming now they miss out on the top two quarterbacks,
which as as we're recording right now, they would be.
I believe they're picking fourth. In that situation they should.
You still have a chance, though, to get their choice
of the best offensive lineman, the best wide receiver, the
best pass rusher in the draft, because the quarterbacks were,
assuming're gonna go one two. However way you frame it,
(15:11):
their owner clearly wants to win right now. Okay, that's
been well documented. He wants to, as you say, get
away from the stench that was Daniel Snyder. They're going
to They can be competitive with a decent, non turnover
prone quarterback. The wide receiving corps again is very good,
headlined by Terry McLaurin. Their running back room again is
(15:34):
very good. The defense is terrible. But if you can
get Russell Wilson on a team friendly contract, which I'm
assuming he's gonna have to take to kind of rehabilitate
his image after what's gone now the last year and
a half, you're gonna have some resources available to you,
both via the draft and in free agency to kind
of replenish that defense. Remember they made that trade, the
(15:56):
Montese sweat trade and the Chase Young trade, so it'd
have a couple of extra picks in the cupboard. Atlanta,
I'm gonna say flat out no, I think that your
argument in favor of getting Russell Wilson actually works against them.
The weapons that they have there are very good, they're
very young, they're very cheap, which means you can push
(16:17):
all in instead of on a guy like Russell Wilson
on a higher ceiling quarterback, a Lah Kirk Cousins, a
Lah Justin Fields.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Wait wait, hold on, so you have Fields as more
desirable than Russ.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I think that his ceiling is absolutely higher. I think
his price tag as a result, is going to be higher.
But because the weapons they are in Atlanta are so
young and they're all mostly on rookie deals, you can
afford to take the riskier move and pay more for
a Justin Fields or Kirk. Cuts obviously would be the
ideal situation, assuming his health is already. So if I'm Atlanta,
(16:58):
the last thing I want to do is take a
shot on a quarterback who as of right now is
viewed as just the guy. You know, I don't think
Russell Wilson was the problem in Denver, but he obviously
wasn't the solution. And in Atlanta, in that division as
mediocre as it is, you don't want another quote unquote
mediocre quarterback. You want someone who kind of gives you
(17:20):
the upside that he just doesn't offer. Right now, Minnesota,
I thought that was your sneakiest pick of the of
the whole segment there, because I'm gonna say yes. I'm
gonna say yes with them because again, all this hinges
on Kirk Cousins. If Kirk Cousins prices himself out, which
he is more than in his rights to do given
the season that he was having before he got hurt,
(17:42):
or he seeks a shorter term, fully guaranteed deal, and
Kirk Cousins is that guy he is gonna hold out
for that kind of a contract because he's already shown
to do that multiple times. Now, you know, Deshaun Watson
gets the credit for getting the first fully guaranteed deal. No,
it was Kirk Cousins who did that. People forget about that.
Kirk Cousins is a business man all right, And I
(18:03):
don't see him taking a hometown discount to stay in Minnesota.
If they're not gonna, you know, back up the brinkstrip
for him and give him a four or five year
deal or a two to three fully guaranteed year contract,
I don't see him staying in Minnesota. You also got
the TJ. Howkinson contracts about to kick in. There's gonna
be a massive all time contract extension coming for Justin Jefferson.
(18:29):
You know he's not gonna sign anything less than the
highest paid wide receiver in NFL history by a good margin.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
That's tough.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
So with all that factored in, it might make sense
then to go after Russell Wilson, who can still fit
the win Now roster while also not being as expensive
at Kirk Cousins and allows you to build out the
rest of that roster.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Interesting. I think one of the things that I did
not even consider that you said that made me perk
my ears up is the justin fields. You would rather
have justin fields. So for Russell Wilson, you can get
him in like the dollar store right now, right, I
mean right. You could get Denver to eat most of
the contract and probably attached like a late round pick,
like they got to get him off the books. I
(19:17):
think Fields would probably cause if they can get some
kind of bidding war the Bears. I don't see why
a team wouldn't give like a second round pick for
Justin Fields the right team or a three and a four.
You know, Fields, he's done some things and again I
know that you know the record is what everybody get
caught up on rob but like Fields is more mobile
(19:38):
than Russ, I don't know about the I don't think
the accuracy is there. I don't even know about the
deep ball accuracy. I guess it's just more of an
opportunity to mold Justin Fields and have him grow, as
opposed to getting a guy who's now been basically dumped
by the last two places where he was. That's gotta
be a tough moment for Russell. Will any teams we
(20:01):
forgot you think well?
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I saw a lot of people talking about the Raiders.
I don't think that would be a fit number one
either way. I don't think anyone's gonna trade for Russell Wilson,
point blank period. I think that they understand that Denver
is in such a position of weakness, given that they're
already benching him given his contract, and now they've had
(20:25):
two coaching regimes who have decided that he's not good enough.
So any leverage that they might have tried to had
over someone is out the window. To me, You're just
gonna wait and wait and wait until they cut him
with the post June one designation and you can get
him for free. And by all accounts, you're gonna be
able to get him on a bargain basement contract because
as you alluded to open things up, he's gonna have
(20:47):
about ninety million dollars coming to him, you know, guaranteed
not bad, so you know he can afford to beat
to take something less. And that's why if you're a
team like Atlanta or My Raiders for that matter, if
you want to secure a quarterback, then you're not feeling
confident about where you're drafting in this upcoming draft. Maybe
(21:08):
you don't like bon Nicks, you don't like Michael Pennix
because of the injury. You don't believe that Jaden Daniels
is the truth. That is, he kind of a flash
in the pan one year type guy. You can take
a flyer on a Justin Fields instead, And like you said,
only give up a second round pick, and you'll still
have at least a year or two to evaluate him
before you have to decide whether or not he's the
(21:29):
real deal.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Just to be clear, I like Fields a lot more
than others. Everybody just is writing them off, and I
get that he makes some bad mistakes here, but it's
not like he's been in a great system. So I'll
give him a bit of a pass. I'm not giving
up a lot for him. A second round pick is
pretty rich, but it depends, Like you know, some of
these teams are like, if you're Atlanta, I think you
could go with a second round pick. Honestly, like you're close,
(21:52):
You're at a crap division. You know, even Tampa lucks
out with the division or the Saints when like, neither
of those teams scare you going forward. I think Justin
Fields could certainly help in Atlanta. I think Russell Wilson
could too.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
But yeah, question for you, so you know, if it
comes down to those two guys and you're a quarterback
needy team, if it's Field or Wilson, do you pay
the premium and trade for Justin Fields earlier so that
you secure him, or do you wait until the draft.
They draft Caleb Williams and suddenly the pri the price
(22:28):
comes down. But now you have a whole field of
guys or teams who are looking to get involved in
that mix.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
The price comes down for who for Russ?
Speaker 1 (22:36):
No for Fields, because I think Russ's price is going
to be it is what it is, like, it's never
gonna be anything more.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah, well, you got to sort out the coaching stuff, right,
You've got to figure out what's happening, Like who's the
coach in Atlanta? Are they keeping him? I mean, if
he doesn't have a vote of confidence from the owner,
not great. I think the one guy who probably has
the clout to do the quick deal for him would
be Tomlin. But I don't know if he wants to
get involved with Justin Thomas is not an offensive guy.
I don't know. That's a tough one. Like who's their
(23:02):
offensive coordinator? Remember they fired Canada? They got the interim.
I don't know if he's gonna be the guy. The
coaching stuff has to trickle first. But I do like
to strike early and get my guy. If they identify
fields and see he's the dude, boom you get him.
I did see one of the silliest takes I saw
and listen, I'm not trying to be a hater Christmas week,
but I saw somebody say, boy, Rock Purty so bad
(23:23):
tonight against the Ravens. Imagine what Justin Fields could do
with all those weapons. And I was like, Bro, you
do know Fields was in the draft where the Niners
traded up for Trey Lance. They could have had Fields
traded up, stay put. They could have had him. They
didn't want him. He's not a good fit in that offense.
(23:45):
Is he more talented than Party, Well, certainly he's a
way better athlete, but is he a better fit? That's
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responsible gaming resources. All right, let's pivot to the NBA.
Rob a couple interesting stories, but we're just gonna hammer
this Lakers story because obviously out in LA we can
see the analytics. We know we got a lot of
Los Angeles listeners and Schams Sharania and I will go
as a side real quick. He's a reporter for Yahoo
(25:33):
and Stadium and all these places. Schams Sharania also he
reports a lot of clutch sports stuff. He is in
with that camp is reporting that the Lakers have either
been offered or discussed or in discussions with the Atlanta Hawks,
and the potential deal would be Jackson Hayes and Austin
(25:59):
Reeves for Dejanta Murray of the Hawks. Now just background.
I like Dejana Murray. I've liked him since that deal
was done. I think he's a really talented player. He's
not quite an All NBA guy, but he's very, very good.
It hasn't totally worked out with Trey Young there in
Atlanta the backcourt. Some had predicted it wouldn't. I was
(26:19):
trying to be more optimistic and it just it hasn't
happened yet. It's you know, they're on the second coach,
but we'll see. I just want to nit this in
the butt right now, Rob number one. Under no circumstances
of my trading. Austin Reeves not untouchable, but it would
have to be a trade that like is you'll laugh
at me for sake, But I value Austin Reeves in
(26:40):
such high regard. I wouldn't trade him for anybody who
wasn't at the minimum minimum an NBA All Star, and
in all honesty, I like Austin Reeves. I think he's
got a future with the Lakers. I think he's got
a future in this league. He's an Olympian over the stuff.
But like, the guy can play, he can play in systems.
He's got a chip on his shoulder in side outside
(27:00):
scores at all three levels, plus defender, great length, like
he's awesome, can create his own shot. Go look at
his playoff numbers. Man. Guy's freaking awesome as a young
guy playing with Lebron. I'm not trading Austin Reeves for
de Johanta Murray. No way, just not happening. Now. If
you want to get idiotic and be like, Okay, what
(27:21):
about Jalen Brown for Austin Reeves, Well that's a totally
different discussion. Boston's not doing that. You know, Austin Reeves
got like a sixty million dollar contract. Jalen Brown's gonna
be like a fifty million a year guy. Totally different players,
and I love Austin Reeves and Rob's probably chuckling that
has no chance of happening, just to be clear, but
it's like, that's how highly I think a Reeves. Now,
(27:42):
obviously there are issues with the Lakers as they continue
to hemorrhage points, they continue to struggle on offense. Darvin
Ham is like, have you guys seen bird Box with
Samantha Bullock? Oh, sorry, Sandra Bullock And she's rowing the
boat with the kids in it and she's like blindfolded.
That's when it feels like Darvin is doing right now
with his substitution patterns for the Lakers. I mean this idea. Hey,
(28:04):
let's get Reached to the bench. Now, let's get Delo. Okay,
let's get Delo to the bench too. Let's start ver
Jared Vanderbilt like he's just grasping it. Straw's bro, like,
what are you doing? Okay, Lakers got some problem. I
don't know why Christian Wood. I think I asked you this.
A lazy Laker sees a ticket holder, buddy, Why is
it christian Wood playing? I know Jason doesn't play defense.
Does anyone in the league like Christian Wood could make threes.
(28:27):
He I mean, he's a valuable piece. For you're asking me,
I don't undershare why Christan Wood isn't playing. And remember, folks,
last year, I was like, mister Lonnie Walker. I was like,
why is it Lonnie Walker playing? He's good, get him
out there. He didn't play forever came up big late.
I liked the cam Reddish move. The one guy that
I'm seeing that's just not really delivering. I don't know
(28:48):
if it was the injury to the face or whatever
he had going on, but ruiy Haachi Mora doesn't look
like the same guy he did in the playoffs last year.
Obviously that's not great for his trade value. But if
it's me, yeah, whatever, Let's see what we can get
for D'Angelo, Russell and RUI. I don't think you can
get much. I'm not ready to ship Gabe Vincent yet.
I just haven't seen enough. I liked what I saw
(29:10):
in Miami. People thought, oh, he's gonna bring the heat
culture to LA. You just haven't seen it. He's heard,
he's not playing a lot, and when he does play,
it's very little. So I'll just go on a record.
I hate this deal. B I don't believe it. I
don't think Sham's is straight up lying. I think what
happens a lot with NBA chatter is when everybody knows
the team is looking to make a move, like the Lakers,
(29:31):
you get the zach Lavine stuff by everybody in their
mom and to get everybody in their mom off the scent,
what do you do? You got a little misdirection over
here where you say de Jona Murray, Austin Reeves, boom,
let's put him in the deal and can you get
that name out there? Deal's not happening, but it's a
great piece of misdirection to get people now talking about
that while you can now work in the shadows to
(29:54):
get the real deal you want elsewhere. I'm telling you
they're not getting de Jon to Murray. Guys, that's not happening.
I don't know if it's zach Lavine, you know I
like him? Is it Carus show? I don't know. But
rob Gie, mister Laker, where are you on the de
Jante Marie stuff?
Speaker 1 (30:09):
I would love to get John to Murray, but I,
like you said, I would not give up Boston Reeves,
and not just because I'm a Lakers homer or I
have some kind of a blind allegiance to Austin Reeves.
It's because he is a proven high level rotation player
in the NBA and the biggest thing are two biggest things.
Number One, he's shown his ability to play off of
(30:31):
and alongside Lebron James, and that is something that I
know that people will scoff at. But it is not
as easy as it sounds. There's a reason why guys
like Chris Bosh, Kevin Love, you know, their numbers have
to take a back seat alongside Lebron because Lebron is
such a dominating figure in the NBA. You know, he
(30:52):
likes a certain archetype of guy. He wants you to
kind of stand in the corner space out shoot threes
and defend. And if you can do anything more than that,
you almost have to become a subservient player because Lebron's
doesn't really allow you to be the best version of yourself.
Where Austin Reeves is unique is that he doesn't need
the ball to be successful. He can attack close outs,
he can create a little bit, so he fits in
(31:15):
good with Lebron. But the other reason is his contract.
They got in some kind of loophole because of the
RESTIKTA free agency the next three years, he's only going
to be making about thirteen million dollars a year. I know,
it sounds like a lot of putting into perspective. Here,
some guys who you are making about fifteen million dollars,
Luke Kennard, Kris LeVert. Okay, the aforementioned Rujya Chia Murray
is making fifteen point seven. You mope to seventeen million.
(31:38):
You got Jonathan Isaac barely even in the NBA right now,
Marcus Morris Senior's riding the bench in Philadelphia, Davis Berton's
in OKC. So to get a guy who is that
good for thirteen million dollars and you have him under
team control, you better get something great in return. De
Jontay Murray is very, very good. He'd be a huge
upgrade for the Lakers, but not at the expense of
(32:01):
a of a chip like Austin Reeves, who is good
number one and two under team control. So unless you
can find a way to flip Ruy and d Low
and some pick swaps and a first round pick, then sure,
but I don't think that's possible. And the other thing,
which is the Dirty Little Secret. Dady is NBA de
(32:23):
John Tay Murray is a clutch sports guy. Anytime there's
a clutch sports client, or excuse me, anytime the Lakers
are involved in a player, check to see who they're
represented by. Because earlier this year I saw they were
linked to Miles Bridges coming off of domestic violence allegations.
I think it was actually a conviction. I'm almost positive
and sure enough, Well, the Lakers will be interested if
(32:43):
the Horners want to trade for him or want to
trade him. So, if it's a clutch sports guy, promise
you the Lakers are going to be linked to him
between now and the trade deadline.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Yeah, it'll be interesting. Lakers kind of flailing paper clips
playing well, it's still too early to get excited, but
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your out watching the game. He's making money while you
do it. Here's your best bet. We've got the Cleveland
Browns and my Jets. I to be honest, guys, this
is the least interested I've been in the Jets. I
barely watched the Washington game. In full disclosure. I was
so upset, so upset when the Washington commanders appeared to
(34:23):
be quitting and it was seventeen nothing that I live.
Bet the Jets at like minus seven and a half.
I was like, you pricks, you're gonna win this. Fine,
You're gonna blow them out. Let me just back it. Well,
you know, how that turned out not good is how
I should put it. So let's get to the big
game tonight. It's the Jets in Cleveland, Trevor Simeon against
(34:44):
a Browns defense that has shut down just about everyone
they've played. I would be beyond floored if the Jets
got to thirteen and a half, or I would guess
their team total is probably thirteen and a half points.
Maybe there's a Flacco mistake and the Jets score a
defensive touchdown, you get some fluky stuff penalty down the field, Garret,
(35:08):
whatever it is. There's a chance also that the Jets
cannot move the football here. I'm just being real with you, guys.
This Cleveland defense at home is nasty. Trevor Simeon Night game.
Come on, this has seventeen to six written all over it.
I don't see how you're not on the Browns here.
The total is thirty five with a spread of seven
(35:33):
and a half. How does that so you're saying that
it'll be so you're saying Brown's twenty one Jets thirteen, right,
that's pretty much what the line is saying, or thereabouts
twenty one fourteen right in that vicinity, I would go
Jets team total under thirteen and a half, I would
go Browns, mind a seven and a half, I would
(35:54):
go under for the game. Jets defense is good. No
doubt that Flacco will struggle. It's not like Amari Cooper's
gonna have two hundred and forty yards receiving. Again, I
don't know that the Browns will be able to run.
This is probably a big in Djoku game. This is
probably an Elijah Moore revenge special member, the former Jets receiver. Yeah,
I'll go Browns. Give me the Browns twenty and the
(36:17):
Jets nine. How's that just a crap, Gabe Thursday night.
The smart people are probably staying in and hydrating four
New Year's Eve. Rob. I know you're going heavy on
this one, obviously.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Right, absolutely, And I'm actually going the exact opposite of you. No, Mike,
give me the Jets with the points and the over.
I know everyone loves Joe Flacco, the elite Joe Flacco,
Super Bowl MVP Joe Flacco. You know he's currently in
the race for a comeback Player of the Year because
he was on his couch as recently as November.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Lost in the sauce of this whole Joe Flacco comeback
story and everyone's so excited about it, and the Browns
are live in the AFC North. He's thrown seven interceptions
in four games. True that Jets defense is going to
be able to turn the ball over on Joe Flacco.
I don't know if now again, I don't know if
the Jets offense will be able to convert those turnovers
(37:11):
into touchdowns. But I would not be surprised to see
them get a lot of short fields. I would not
be surprised if we get a defensive score from the
New York Jets. So I believe the Browns win, but
I believe it's going to be a Jets cover. And
I think that total in today's NFL is just way
too low.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
So it's funny you say that Joe Flacco was on
his sofa two months ago. You know where Joe Flacco
was last year, right, everybody? He was on the New
York Jets team. So Nathaniel Hacket comes in, Oh, we've
got Rogers, we got Zach as the back. We don't
need Joe Flacco. Okay, we'll move on from him. Then
Aaron Rodgers goes down, and you know one might think
(37:57):
the Jets GM would you know, by the way Joe
Douglas was in Baltimore knows Flacco. You would think Douglas
would have said, let's give Joe Flacco a call, see
what he's up to. Played with us last year, maybe
he could give us something. They went, they went and
called Trevor Simeon and that was after starting. Oh my gosh,
I've already forgot the guy Rob who was the guy
(38:18):
that started after Zach was benched. I mean Tim Boyle,
Tim Boyle, this is how, this is how moronic. The
franchise I root for is could have called Flacco. They
went Tim Boyle, and they went Trevor Simeon. Meanwhile, Cleveland
calls up Joe Flacco. He comes in and he's just
slaying comeback Player of the Year in the mix, chucking
(38:41):
it all over the field, making some pretty ridiculous throws,
like I know, some of it's luck and the Rams
game he had that bad interception deep and like Rob said,
he's got a bunch of interceptions. Cousin's also went the
playoff mix with a guy who was raking leaves two
months ago, and the Jets could have called him because
they had him last year and they didn't even think
(39:01):
to do that, Like, just wrap your head. What kind
of organization operates like that? A clueless one? Like all
it is, oh, well, yeah, let's get Flacco in here.
Rogers has done for the season. We gotta get dudes,
Cleveland gets Flacco. Cleveland's going to the playoffs. And listen,
if they go to Kansas City for that for that
(39:24):
playoff game. You know who's not gonna be scared January
Joe Flacco. He's not gonna be scared. Man. Just let
that sink in. Jets could have had Joe Flacco didn't
even make a move, did not even make a move,
and he's thriving in Cleveland. All right, that's a lengthy
Thursday pod. We'll be back tomorrow with the usual Friday
(39:45):
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