On today’s episode, Jason discusses Oklahoma City’s blowout win over the Timberwolves in Game 1, why he still came away mostly unimpressed by Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and that vaunted Thunder defense, how much blame Anthony Edwards deserves for the ugly loss, and what adjustments Minnesota can make to get a different result in Game 2. Plus, J-Mac explains how he had his own Caitlin Clark vs Angel Reese-type moment in a recent rec league basketball game.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
This is straight fire with Jason MacIntire.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
What is up straight by It's me Jason MacIntire, Straight
Fire for Wednesday, May the twenty first. You know who
wasn't fire on Tuesday night? Oh yeah, the Minnesota Timberwolves bench.
Holy hell were they awful. Timberwolves kids smoked in the
second half by okay, see I mean, I'm trying to
(00:33):
do the math here. They were outscored seventy to forty
in the second half on the road. Minnesota had a
great start right out of the gate, looked good and
then folded poorly, extremely poorly, and the thundertake a one
nothing late in the Western Conference Finals. The Game two
line is already out and it's seven and a half,
just like Game one opened. So no overreaction. Although rob
(00:56):
my sense and again this is just a sense. Watching
the pun's on TV, seeing the gauges on social media,
it looks like everybody thinks it's going to be a
runaway and OKAC is clearly a better team. I did.
I guess we're watching two different games, Rob because I was.
I know they won by twenty six points. I just
wasn't that impressed by OKC. I thought Minnesota came out
(01:20):
like a team that was like, Okay, we belong here.
And they hit their early shots and they look good early,
but then they fell into this, Hey, let's just jack threes.
Here is the stat you need to know. From Game one,
the Minnesota Timberwolves attempted fifty one to three pointers. Fifty one. Now,
best I can tell, that is a record for a
conference finals game. That's according to Tom Haberstrow, fifty one
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threes is a record. It's fine when you're hitting them early,
but to just settle in and say, hey, hey, hey,
you know what, We're gonna limit the turnovers. We don't
want to turn the ball over too much, and which
is gonna jack threes? And it was like what I
expect much more from Chris Finch. Obviously you could just
discount the fourth quarter. It was totally irrelevant. But again,
(02:03):
this to me was less about this mighty OKC defense
that Rob is gonna rave about here shortly, and it
was certainly less about SGA. Why is Michael Malone and
everybody kaping up for SGA, folks. He was two for
thirteen in the first half. He was eight for fourteen
in the second half. Oh wonderful. So he was ten
(02:24):
of twenty seven. That's twenty seven shots for SGA and
he scored thirty one points. Am I supposed to be
wowed by that? Twenty seven shots thirty one points, that's
like a Russell Westbrook line. Oh by the way, oh
for four from d But he did make eleven of
fourteen free throws, and yes, the free throw Merchant attempted fourteen.
Minnesota made fifteen as a team, So I'm not even
(02:46):
gonna play that card. Obviously. Okase's bench once again was terrific.
Cason Wallace, that guy is a problem, obviously, very skilled.
He's one of these guys I don't want to say.
And this is going a little overboard, but when Okase
last went to the finals, they had Kevin Durant and
(03:07):
Russell Westbrook as the two stars, and they had a
six man named James Harden who was terrific. He eventually,
you know, coming off the bench, they were like, well,
we got it. We can't pay we can't afford him,
or we're not gonna be able to afford him, which
was stupid. Let's ship amount of town, which Jay did.
I don't think Keyson Wallace has the upside of James Harden.
I feel like James Harden has one MVP, maybe he's
got multiple scoring titles. But Kython Wallace is a version
(03:30):
of that. A young guy who's twenty one on the bench,
who is going to pop eventually. He only took three
shots in thirty three minutes, but seven assists, a steal,
and he was plus twenty one. He's a problem off
the bench.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Now.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Ken Rich Williams, who I don't even remember at all
from the Denver series. They played jay Lynn Williams, not
JW Jaylynn Williams. He did. Jaylen Williams didn't even play
in Game one. He was the backup who showed somewhat
well well against Jokich. Ken Ridge Williams comes on and
he hit eight points by the way, Kenrich Williams had
(04:06):
like I think, two baskets in a row in that
pivotal third quarter. Caruso did well off the bench, Isaiah
Joe came on. Their bench is strong, and I thought
they were a big difference in the third quarter when
they ran away. But ultimately, to me, this was more
about Minnesota having kind of a poor game plan, which
I'm surprised because I think they had the coaching advantage
(04:26):
in Finch fifty one threes makes no sense. Now let
me get to the real bad news. So obviously, Julius
Randall carried in the first half, he had twenty when
Minnesota led, but rob the real problem for Minnesota was
when they turned to their bench because Jaden McDaniels got
in foul trouble, Rudy Gobert got in some early foul trouble.
Then they just decided, you know what, We're not gonna
play him. Nas Reid, Dante Divicenzo and Nikel Alexander Walker.
(04:52):
That trio has had a good postseason. They had a
great regular season. Naz Reid might be the sixth man
of the year. They combined to shoot seven of thirty six,
and they shot five of twenty eight on threes. Nos
Reid particularly was horrific. He's got that funky shot and
I think he made is maybe his first or second one.
And then it was just clang city oh for seven
(05:15):
on threes for nos Reed, Devincenzo three for twelve on threes.
So let me get this right. Chris Finch, Anthony Edwards
plays thirty seven minutes, it takes thirteen shots and nos
Reed plays fewer minutes, attempts eleven, Alexander Walker plays fewer
minutes attempts eleven, and Devin Tenzo plays shoots fourteen shots
(05:36):
more shots than Edwards. I don't really know what happened.
I don't want to blame this on Chris Finch totally.
I would need to like rewatch the game to find
out if this is OKC saying we're not gonna let
aunt beat us Ant was fine, but he was definitely
not a difference maker. I didn't love the four turnovers,
so Rob, Ultimately it's not time to push the panic button.
Obviously you need one at home. I just maybe I'm
(06:01):
just totally missing it as possible. I don't see OKAC
as world beaters despite a twenty six point win. And
now I'm sure I'm gonna get killed in the comments.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Oh yeah, You're definitely gonna get killed in the comments.
I mean, I don't know how you can say a
team wins by twenty six points. You're like, I'm not
impressed by what they did. Look their defense, and I
don't say this lightly is as good as any NBA
defens as I've seen since the Bubble Lakers. Now they're
totally different style of defenses. The Lakers obviously were funneling
(06:33):
everything to the inside with Ad and Dwight and Javail
and all those guys, and they owned the paint. OKC
also owns the paint, but in a completely different way.
We talked about it coming into the series. They were
leading the postseason in point differential in the restricted area
plus eight and a half per game. Minnesota, to their credit,
was right behind him at seven and a half per game.
(06:56):
The difference was in this game, to your point, Minnesota
got completely shut out of the painted area. Not because
chet Holmegrin or Isaiah Hartenstein is just denying everything at
the basket. That wasn't at all their wings. Alice Caruso
keeson Wallas. You mentioned j dubb SGA when he's out
(07:18):
there playing like Lou Dort. They get so into you defensively,
all in your jersey. Their pressure is something that I
can't recall seeing in all of my years of basketball. Now,
we've seen physical basketball before in the nineties and the
two thousands, but the difference was the court was shrunk.
You didn't have as much movement, you didn't have as
much spacing, so it was easy to be physical like that.
(07:42):
OKC in the patient space Era has guys that can
get all in your mug and defend ninety four feet
on a spread basketball court. And that's a big reason
why points in the paint. OKC fifty four Minnesota. And
if that's not good enough for you, I know you're
(08:02):
saying not impressed by the defense. Discount the fourth quarter.
It was a blowout.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Sure, if you want to.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Play that game, that's fine. Here's what Minnesota shot in
the other three quarters. The first quarter eight for twenty
one to thirty eight percent, the second quarter seven for
twenty two to thirty two percent, the third quarter six
for nineteen thirty two percent. This OKSEE defense is gnarly.
And just to put it for our football fans, here's
a comparison that I thought of in the wee hours
(08:29):
of Tuesday and a Wednesday. Let me know if it
makes sense to you. Maybe I'll get cooked in the
comments too. This ok S team reminds me a little bit,
oh boy, of the NBA's version of the Kansas City Chiefs. Okay,
the Chiefs defense was incredible. That's how they won their games.
(08:51):
They lean on their defense. They find ways to win
their best player, Patrick Mahomes, to put it lightly, got
a very soft whistle in the NFL. Did he not ary?
Could you not say the same thing about this current
ok See team. Their defense is going to carry the day.
That's how they win, that's how they make their money.
They're also led by an MVP and SGA, who, to
(09:14):
your point, did not play great, but his style of
play gets a soft whistle. His hurky jerky movements leads
to him getting to the free throw line a lot.
It's not fun to watch unless you're like a real
purist of the game. So I said on Twitter, it's
not ethical basketball if that's how you want to call it,
But goddamn is it effective.
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Speaker 2 (09:46):
Rob It's interesting you say, swallow the whistles. There was
a litany of videos posted online about how soft ass
whistles against Minnesota, And there was one where SGA is
like flying to the left and Anthony Edwards is right
with him, and they call it an an and you
could just see everybody on Minnesota be like what are
you doing? Like, how on earth could you have watched
that Detroit New York series where it was prison rules basketball? Okay,
(10:11):
and call this it's just the lack of consistencies, just
that it just hurts the NBA. Now, I did see
an interesting number regarding the threes rob when Minnesota just
kept settling. So teams are now two to eighteen this
season when attempting forty five or more threes against Oklahoma City.
I hate to break it to Minnesota, but you guys
(10:32):
are not the Celtics. You can't make a million threes.
Like you've got some good three point shooters, but as
the Lakers proved, this is not a great three point
shooting team. Remember the Lakers and Tiberwols were close in
I think the final three games might have been the
final four games, and Minnesota couldn't shoot threes, and that's
why the Lakers were able to keep it close despite
having like nothing on the interior. But ok see, got wise.
(10:56):
They said we're not gonna jack threes. They only took
twenty one threes versus fifty one. Now in the first half,
when Minnesota was jacking threes, rob it wasn't a big
deal because they were collecting offensive boards. They had eight
offensive rebounds in the first half, and then in the
third quarter they're jacking threes and they got zero offensive rebounds.
So all of a sudden, you get, okay, see, we're
(11:19):
just gonna let's rebound the freakin' basketball, not get Julius
Randall in company multiple chances, and you just kind of
turned their water off and now and then they add nothing.
I did see, Rob, I'm sure you saw this. There's
a video circulating Anthony Edwards and Julius Randall are at
the podium. Anthony Edwards picks up the scores sheet and
points at something and him and Julius Randall both laugh.
(11:42):
Now we don't know what they laughed at, but I'm
sure there are some guesses. I will I lead the
speculation that it had to be the free throw merchant
SGA attempting fourteen free throws, folks, Anthony Edwards attempted seven,
Randall six combine SGA attempted more than they did. I mean,
(12:02):
is that what he was laughing at? I don't know.
Is it Jaden McDaniel's fouling out, which I found puzzling.
I thought he kind of got shafted. But whatever. The
only other thing is maybe they were pointing at the
bench and how absolutely awful not was reading company with.
I don't know, what do you think.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
I mean, all of those are plausible, but let me
just say that it is a horrible look. It's borderline
embarrassing that Anthony Edwards and Julius Randa would point at
a box score and laugh, particularly for Anthony Edward. Anthony
Edwards I think only had what was that, like five
points in the second half. He had no points in
the fourth quarter. He was minus eleven in the fourth quarter. Okay,
the final like six minutes were he was a team
(12:41):
worse minus twenty three. He had eighteen points, nine rebounds,
three assists, four turnovers. My brother in christ, you are
supposed to be the face of the league. Your coach
has gone on record several times a saying, we go
as you go. You're the leader of the team. We
need you to be locked in from minute one to
(13:02):
minute forty eight. And I don't know if it was
the ankle turn in that second quarter and that mad
him a little bit hesitant. I don't know if it was,
you know, just the defense and oka. See you know
what are some combination of all the above. Anthony Edwards
played a C minus game himself. Now, of course the
bench was an f period.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Wait, I forgot hold on Rob What was the injury?
Why was he in the locker room?
Speaker 3 (13:25):
I mean he's had an ankle problem for a couple
of weeks now, right. I think he got injured against
the Lakers. Then he reaggravated it against the Golden State,
I think in game one or Game two, and he's
just dealing with it, right, and that's fine. Everybody's hurt
at this time of the year. Basically, and again, the
bench was terrible. But you're the guy, like you're the
(13:50):
one you more than SGA, even your team needs you
to be great on a night to night basis for
them to win. SGA for his team, I know that
he's the leading scorer and he's the focal point of
the offense. They come at you in so much depth
and so many ways, so many waves offensively, but more importantly,
their defense is just lights out lockdown. So no matter
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what he does, even if he doesn't have it going
like he didn't have it on Tuesday night, they're gonna
be in a lot of games because they defend so
well Anthony Edwards when he doesn't have it going offensively,
have you noticed his defense kind of WANs too, Like
he's one of those guys who really feeds off one
end of the other. Have you noticed that outside of
Julius Randall, there's not a single player on that team
(14:33):
that can get his own shot in Minnesota?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
But yeah, that's that dude. That was my biggest issue, rob, Like, after.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Ya, they need him to get it going. So for
him and Julius Randall to have this little chuckle moment
at the podium, I didn't understand it. Julius Randall played
great in the first half. Anthony Edwards played okay in
the first half. Anthony Edwards did jack shit in the
second half.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Oh the hold on Randall did not attempt to three
in the second half. That is bizarre, But his rest
of his team was jacking. I just found out what
Aunt and Randall were laughing at. Rudy Gobert had three
rebounds in twenty one minutes, Isaiah Joe had in thirteen.
That has to be it. They're clowning their own teammate,
Rudy Gobert. But again, do you think this is all
of a sudden, it's gonna be a sweep or something.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Oh not at all, Not at all. I think both
of these teams are relatively evenly matching. Like the way
they want to play is similar, talked about it before
in the in the conference preview. They want to own
the paint, they want to play defense. Neither team is
a really great shooting three point team, as evidence by
of course Minnesota goes fifteen to fifty one, the Thunder
(15:37):
only attempt twenty one threes. Okay, like, neither one of
those is what I would consider it to be sustainable
to win the series. And so which team is either
going to a get hot, which Minnesota obviously did not
and okay, see did just enough for them to keep
him honest. And two, which team is going to own
the painted area? Okay, se won that in a landslide
(15:58):
to your point. Once they took Rooty Go Bear out
of the game, Minnesota had nobody at the rim, so
it was it was not gonna call it a layup line,
but it was free reign to the painted area and
makes them happen. So I still think this is gonna
be a long series. But Minnesota needs to really reevaluate
their game plan against Oklahoma City defense if it means
(16:20):
Julius Ryanno'll bring your point guard. But what they did
in game one obviously did not work.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
I'm wondering I didn't see. I would love to see
a track how many possessions of zone defense they played.
I don't think Minnesota played much, if any. No. I
wonder if Finch was like, all right, you know what,
we're gonna try this and we're gonna save this for
for You know, you can't fire all the bullets in
the chamber. You can't just fire everything early. I will say,
(16:45):
you know, if people are like Jay, you're not giving
any props to uh okay, see, I will say. I
looked it up the kid Kenrich Williams who came on
and was good Rob Do you want me to I
just looked on his game log. Okay, do you have
any gate? How many minutes he played in the in
the non blowout games against Denver, ignoring the two the
two blowouts, zero correct he played when they beat Memphis
(17:10):
by fifty one, he played a bunch, and in another
game against Memphis, he played two minutes. He's barely played
since the end of the regular season, they put him
in the second quarter. Ox I was actually like, who
is that? I don't remember him at all from the
Denver series and it's like this guy who played in
the regular season essentially was relegated to the bench. And
then it's like, hey, Western Conference Finals, second quarter game one,
(17:32):
Kenrich get in there, Like do you know how hard
that is? I mean, I'm just trying to think of myself,
like I personally would have probably quit if I wasn't
playing at all. Like he was just like, that's for
that's a deep bench they got. Oh we know they
got a good bench. Yeah, but like Caruso. By the way,
chet Holgren not a huge factor.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Ludor Wder he was huge. He was great in the
fourth they were up twenty, I mean, but he got
him to twenty, like it was like a ten point game.
Then he got into eighteen, and.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
So lou Dort really a non factor. They just they're
really well built. I don't know what the like, the
how long of a runway they have, because it feels
like they have one one max player and then they
don't have a second, second Max guy and you could
say like, oh, well, this is the new model, not necessarily.
(18:20):
I mean they're hitting all their draft picks, like all
their guys, and then they wisely stole Caruso from the
Bulls in a swap for Josh Ginny. Isaiah Joe was
a great pickup Wiggins, whilet like, I mean, almost everything
they touch is turning the gold. Isaiah Hartenstein's solid. They're
pretty damn good. I mean it's undeniable. They have a
better roster than the Timberwolves. But yeah, overall, I'm not
(18:44):
I don't think Chris Finch is panicking now if they
get blasted by twenty again, right, I think I think
we got a problem, you know. But I fully expect
a different outlook. They will not approach fifty one threes,
and I expect Game two to be an Anthony Edwards referendum.
He will, he will, he will show he's him, He's
that guy, I hope. Yeah, we don't need this ending
(19:06):
this quickly.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I got a wild take for you real quick before
you wrap it up, based off He's okay see in
their depth. I know that you had the viral take
about Austin Reeves that if he was a Lakers okay
sees series that he would be what was the fourth
fourth player picked behind.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Wait wait, wait, no, no, hold on, it would have been
Lebron Luca Shay and then yeah, yeah, yeah, Austin.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Would you if you're the Lakers, we'll get back to
the Lakers, of course, and you know you're building around Luca.
He's the guy, and there's no way standard that's about it.
Would you say, hey, okay, see, we'll trade you Austin
Reeves back to his home state, and we're gonna take
Cason Wallace. We're gonna take Alic or whoever. You know,
the bench guys, the twitchy defenders that can all kind
(19:48):
of do things off the bench for Austin Reeves.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
You know, I'm an Austin Reeves guy.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
I know you are.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
That's why I had to throw it at you real quick.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
It's you know, okay, hold on, let me look at this.
The team salaries. Let me just quickly look at okasee jeez,
where the hell are they? Oh my gosh, they're twenty
fifth in salary. You're not paying anybody other than Jay
Kayson Wallace hard time five point eight million, then a
qualifying offer of seven to four then ten. That's an
(20:17):
amazing contract. Oh my gosh, well, listen, I love Austin Reiz,
but if you're giving me Kayson Wallace, I don't think
you can get Caruso, kiss On, Joe and ken Rich.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Like they just seem like they have a lot of guys.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Who are in that three and d mole that everybody
but but Kenrich Williams is great as you're eleventh guy,
what happens if you have to be like seven?
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I think he could be a seven and a lot
of teams. Maybe I'm not say on the Lakers, but
just hypothetically.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I am curious where Kayson Wallace. I saw somebody say
he would start on like over ninety percent of the
teams in the league. I was like, wait a minute,
that all right, let's but I don't know about that.
I mean, he's not starting over loud Dort, Like, come on,
if he was that brat, he would be over lou Dort.
Now I knew loud Dort's a good player. But yeah,
(21:13):
this team, they're not even gonna lose anybody in free agency,
No shit, man, this team is kind of sort of loaded.
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Speaker 2 (21:31):
We can wrap up by the way, did you watch
the end of the Indiana Fever game.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
I saw the highlight. I didn't get really catch it
that it's weir end.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
What in the lead up to the Western Conference game one,
I'm like, oh, let me check out the Fever and
they're just getting bodied inside by Britney Griner and a
couple other just tall women. And of course Indiana makes
this massive comeback and Caitlyn Clark misses a step back
sixteen footer. They end up losing by one. It was
actually a good game. I think this Fever team is.
(22:01):
They're kind of fun to watch drop listen. Man. Some
of the basketball is not great, especially in the paint.
You've just got people just flailing and tossing up garbage.
But the way that I watch Curry when he's on
the perimeter, I like watching his movements and the way
the team moves around him in screens. The Fever are
not doing for Clark what the Warriors do for Curry.
(22:23):
Curry is an amazing shape and they set a gauntlet
of screens and Curry gets open repeatedly. The Fever aren't
really doing that. You know, there's a screen here or there,
but I'm not seeing the elevator play. I'm not seeing
anything flashy and smart to the corner. I would think
they would be doing that for Clark. I didn't see
that in this game. Now, again it's early. Maybe they
get there's working in new stuff. They've got so many
(22:45):
new players. But yeah, I can't really take my eyes
off Kaitlin Clark because that story. And by the way,
the Angel reaes Caitlin Clark thing is what are we
on day four?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Could we get RG three on?
Speaker 1 (22:57):
No?
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I think pieces that is just really jump.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
It instantly becomes about race, and like, I can't believe
Ryan Clark said, I know, I know, you know he's
he's not talking about black women at the dinner table
because he's had two white wives. Like, yeah, I heard that.
I was like, why would you say that? And let
me wrap up rob just because RG three, if him
(23:22):
and Clark probably would go to blows over that. So
we're in our Men's League game Monday night. I didn't
want to talk about this yesterday on the pod because
I was still heated. So we're playing the team with
the league's leading scorer. This guy is obviously a really
good player. He claims he played at the University of Georgia.
I looked him up. I couldn't find him. But he
has worked as like a scout for the Warriors for
a while. And he's a really good shooter. He was
(23:44):
leading the league in scoring at like twenty eight a game.
But we played him last year, and I know he's
a little you know, he's like, I think thirty eight
forty whatever he is. I know he doesn't want to
work hard to get open. So I say I'll guard
him and I'll pick him a full court and I'm
going to deny him the basketball, right, So that's our strategy.
And I tell I'll start on him, let me go hard,
and then you can rotate in and we'll tag in.
(24:04):
And so he has zero points midway through this first half, okay,
and he starts to get frustrated. So he finally gets
the ball and I'm all over him in the back court.
And then another guy comes to double and as he passes,
he then like shoves me with like a Draymond uses
his arm and I look at the ref. I'm like,
what's that? And he's like, and then the guy goes, well,
(24:26):
if he's gonna be all up on me like that,
I'm gonna throw elbows. I was like, what do you
I didn't and the rest like he didn't touch you.
And then we start this war like back and forth
as one of his teammates turn it over and he
starts saying stuff, and I start saying stuff and I'm
subbing out already, right, I was coming off, and he's like,
you know, start saying more stuff. And then you know me,
(24:47):
I'm mouthy. I'm not gonna back down, and you know,
the commissioner. At this point, the commissioner steps in and
is walking him the guy over to his bench. But
I still hear stuff. I don't know if it's people,
and I'm like, just stop being a whiny bitch. A
play basket. She played basketball, this is you know. He's like, So,
then I guess that really set him off. I think
I said that because in the heat of the moment,
you don't remember. So he is then irate and he's
(25:11):
coming after me, like coming down the sideline to me,
walking around people who are like, what's going on, And
there's like probably fifteen people watching the game. And these
are all guys who play pick up all the time.
And you know, this guy's bigger than me. I mean,
I'm in better shape than him. But he's very angry,
and you know, he's yelling I'm not that guy, I'm
not the what and he's like kind of foaming it that.
(25:33):
He's very heated. And at this point he's walking close
to me, and I'm like, I'm still thinking, like, oh,
nothing's gonna happen, like just what's wrong? And I keep saying,
just play basketball. Stop whining, play basketball. And at one
point he gets like maybe eight feet away from me,
and he's still heated, and I'm like, he's this guy
in my mind, I'm like, is this guy gonna And
(25:53):
I'm just standing there is this guy gonna throw a
punch and like three people grab him, and then the
commissioner pulls us both outside. He's like, listen, guys, I'm
gonna have to write you up for this. You know
we can't have any of this. By the way, if
anybody throws a punch, you are thrown out of this
gym permanently. Your membership's disbanded. And I'm sitting here like,
oh my gosh, was this guy gonna swing on me. Rob,
I swear nobody's ever swung on me in basketball in
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the forty years I've been playing. Never And in my
I go back into the gym and like, I'm talking
to our guys on the team and they're like, dude,
A Liner goes he was gonna put you in the hospital.
Matt Liner's on our team, and I was like, come on,
He's like, dude, he was so angry and I was
like why, and they're like, I don't know. I think
he just snapped and you know, he hadn't been getting
the ball and they were they're a good team. But
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we smashed him. And Rob, have you ever been when
was the last time you got swung them?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Like in a sporting event or just in life? Oh gosh,
it doesn't happen, does it. We're not really, not really.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
I mean, this guy apparently's married with a kid or
two now, and I'm like, who does that? I was
just I was stuck. Now, maybe I popped off too much.
And afterward, you know, we beat him and he's kind
of he's new to this team, so a lot of
the guys didn't know him. And after him and I
had to both sit out. You know, we both rested.
After this. We went on like a fifteen nothing run
or whatever. And after the game, I noticed, like, you know,
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we go to say a good game, his whole team
like walked away from it. He's sitting on the bench
with like his head down. I go around like Chris, hey, man, sorry,
I don't know what I said, but sorry, I lost
my head. He's like, yeah, no, pro, that's all good.
I'm sorry, man. And I'm sitting there and I'm like,
maybe he had a bad day, maybe he lost his job,
something happened to his cat. I don't know, but Rob,
I just have a hard time wondering, like what makes
(27:34):
a grown adult with a family and a job and
like a light, what makes you snap like that.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
It's never that incident, and we think we talked about
on other shows about other people you getting in his
mug and trash talking. I promise you that.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
No, I don't get it. I don't get in people's faces.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
But whatever, in that instance, I promise you that that
was not the impetus behind him potentially swinging on you.
It's something that happened the day before, an hour before,
a week before, or something that's been building and building
and building, and you just happen to be the one
that set him off because either he you know, something
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happened with his wife. I don't know what it is,
and you know he's not gonna hit her obviously, but
he can definitely hit Jason McIntyre. Like, you know, there's
not gonna be any repercussions from that. I like, God,
forbid to kick out of a basketball league. That's the
worst gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Well, not the league. You remember at the gym, you'd
be kicked out whatever.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
But I'm saying, like, relatively, that's not gonna like you're
not gonna punch your boss at work, you know. But
the guy I played with on the rec league that
is not on my team. That's that's it just happens
to be the one.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Do you remember the Chris Child's Kobe Bryant incident?
Speaker 3 (28:39):
I do?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Do we ever get word on what happened? Why that
like that? I mean, like you don't see that in
the NBA Guys just toe to toe, just swinging on
each other. You don't, That's that never happened.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Do you remember the Rick Fox Doug Christie like that one?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Better?
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Oh yeah, yeah, that way they met in the locker
room and they went.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Down the hot tunnel. Yeah yeah, yeah, that is like
it had to be something personal.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
You know, I just it surprises me. Obviously getting heated
and upset and getting in someone's face, but like being
ready to swing on someone is like that's wild anyway.
So I just I don't know why I told that story,
but maybe you could see in Minnesota Timberwlves so some
fight like that in game two.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
That was the version of Clark versus Reese. That little
thing that was your version of it.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I'm waiting for one of the one of the guys
on our team was like, Jam, that wouldn't have been
a bad trade if you both got ejected, you know,
And I'm like I'll take that, you know. I mean,
I think I hit five threes in the game. I
don't know if they posted the box score real quick,
Nicks are four and a half tonight, who you got?
Speaker 3 (29:42):
I mean, I like the Knicks to win, but I
don't know if I don't feel kindable betting upad on
this game at all.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Yeah, I did have. I did a pizza money on
the Timberwolves that it was flushed third quarter, So i'll
i'll do I'll put on the next month, hopefully I
get a four. I think they'll be I think they'll
be okay. In game one. There's a really good Knicks team.
By the way, Garden is going to be just absolutely geeked.
And yeah, I think Nicks Nick's got this one in.
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And by the way, the history of these teams a
lot of double digit wins.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
So it's gonna be a style of play style the
way the Pacers play. It's it's lend us off the
big games on either.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Side unless you're the Cavs. Right, all right, we are
back tomorrow. See you then,
This is straight fire with Jason MacIntire.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
What is up straight by It's me Jason MacIntire, Straight
Fire for Wednesday, May the twenty first. You know who
wasn't fire on Tuesday night? Oh yeah, the Minnesota Timberwolves bench.
Holy hell were they awful. Timberwolves kids smoked in the
second half by okay, see I mean, I'm trying to
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do the math here. They were outscored seventy to forty
in the second half on the road. Minnesota had a
great start right out of the gate, looked good and
then folded poorly, extremely poorly, and the thundertake a one
nothing late in the Western Conference Finals. The Game two
line is already out and it's seven and a half,
just like Game one opened. So no overreaction. Although rob
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my sense and again this is just a sense. Watching
the pun's on TV, seeing the gauges on social media,
it looks like everybody thinks it's going to be a
runaway and OKAC is clearly a better team. I did.
I guess we're watching two different games, Rob because I was.
I know they won by twenty six points. I just
wasn't that impressed by OKC. I thought Minnesota came out
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like a team that was like, Okay, we belong here.
And they hit their early shots and they look good early,
but then they fell into this, Hey, let's just jack threes.
Here is the stat you need to know. From Game one,
the Minnesota Timberwolves attempted fifty one to three pointers. Fifty one. Now,
best I can tell, that is a record for a
conference finals game. That's according to Tom Haberstrow, fifty one
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threes is a record. It's fine when you're hitting them early,
but to just settle in and say, hey, hey, hey,
you know what, We're gonna limit the turnovers. We don't
want to turn the ball over too much, and which
is gonna jack threes? And it was like what I
expect much more from Chris Finch. Obviously you could just
discount the fourth quarter. It was totally irrelevant. But again,
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this to me was less about this mighty OKC defense
that Rob is gonna rave about here shortly, and it
was certainly less about SGA. Why is Michael Malone and
everybody kaping up for SGA, folks. He was two for
thirteen in the first half. He was eight for fourteen
in the second half. Oh wonderful. So he was ten
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of twenty seven. That's twenty seven shots for SGA and
he scored thirty one points. Am I supposed to be
wowed by that? Twenty seven shots thirty one points, that's
like a Russell Westbrook line. Oh by the way, oh
for four from d But he did make eleven of
fourteen free throws, and yes, the free throw Merchant attempted fourteen.
Minnesota made fifteen as a team, So I'm not even
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gonna play that card. Obviously. Okase's bench once again was terrific.
Cason Wallace, that guy is a problem, obviously, very skilled.
He's one of these guys I don't want to say.
And this is going a little overboard, but when Okase
last went to the finals, they had Kevin Durant and
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Russell Westbrook as the two stars, and they had a
six man named James Harden who was terrific. He eventually,
you know, coming off the bench, they were like, well,
we got it. We can't pay we can't afford him,
or we're not gonna be able to afford him, which
was stupid. Let's ship amount of town, which Jay did.
I don't think Keyson Wallace has the upside of James Harden.
I feel like James Harden has one MVP, maybe he's
got multiple scoring titles. But Kython Wallace is a version
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of that. A young guy who's twenty one on the bench,
who is going to pop eventually. He only took three
shots in thirty three minutes, but seven assists, a steal,
and he was plus twenty one. He's a problem off
the bench.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Now.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Ken Rich Williams, who I don't even remember at all
from the Denver series. They played jay Lynn Williams, not
JW Jaylynn Williams. He did. Jaylen Williams didn't even play
in Game one. He was the backup who showed somewhat
well well against Jokich. Ken Ridge Williams comes on and
he hit eight points by the way, Kenrich Williams had
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like I think, two baskets in a row in that
pivotal third quarter. Caruso did well off the bench, Isaiah
Joe came on. Their bench is strong, and I thought
they were a big difference in the third quarter when
they ran away. But ultimately, to me, this was more
about Minnesota having kind of a poor game plan, which
I'm surprised because I think they had the coaching advantage
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in Finch fifty one threes makes no sense. Now let
me get to the real bad news. So obviously, Julius
Randall carried in the first half, he had twenty when
Minnesota led, but rob the real problem for Minnesota was
when they turned to their bench because Jaden McDaniels got
in foul trouble, Rudy Gobert got in some early foul trouble.
Then they just decided, you know what, We're not gonna
play him. Nas Reid, Dante Divicenzo and Nikel Alexander Walker.
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That trio has had a good postseason. They had a
great regular season. Naz Reid might be the sixth man
of the year. They combined to shoot seven of thirty six,
and they shot five of twenty eight on threes. Nos
Reid particularly was horrific. He's got that funky shot and
I think he made is maybe his first or second one.
And then it was just clang city oh for seven
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on threes for nos Reed, Devincenzo three for twelve on threes.
So let me get this right. Chris Finch, Anthony Edwards
plays thirty seven minutes, it takes thirteen shots and nos
Reed plays fewer minutes, attempts eleven, Alexander Walker plays fewer
minutes attempts eleven, and Devin Tenzo plays shoots fourteen shots
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more shots than Edwards. I don't really know what happened.
I don't want to blame this on Chris Finch totally.
I would need to like rewatch the game to find
out if this is OKC saying we're not gonna let
aunt beat us Ant was fine, but he was definitely
not a difference maker. I didn't love the four turnovers,
so Rob, Ultimately it's not time to push the panic button.
Obviously you need one at home. I just maybe I'm
(06:01):
just totally missing it as possible. I don't see OKAC
as world beaters despite a twenty six point win. And
now I'm sure I'm gonna get killed in the comments.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Oh yeah, You're definitely gonna get killed in the comments.
I mean, I don't know how you can say a
team wins by twenty six points. You're like, I'm not
impressed by what they did. Look their defense, and I
don't say this lightly is as good as any NBA
defens as I've seen since the Bubble Lakers. Now they're
totally different style of defenses. The Lakers obviously were funneling
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everything to the inside with Ad and Dwight and Javail
and all those guys, and they owned the paint. OKC
also owns the paint, but in a completely different way.
We talked about it coming into the series. They were
leading the postseason in point differential in the restricted area
plus eight and a half per game. Minnesota, to their credit,
was right behind him at seven and a half per game.
(06:56):
The difference was in this game, to your point, Minnesota
got completely shut out of the painted area. Not because
chet Holmegrin or Isaiah Hartenstein is just denying everything at
the basket. That wasn't at all their wings. Alice Caruso
keeson Wallas. You mentioned j dubb SGA when he's out
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there playing like Lou Dort. They get so into you defensively,
all in your jersey. Their pressure is something that I
can't recall seeing in all of my years of basketball. Now,
we've seen physical basketball before in the nineties and the
two thousands, but the difference was the court was shrunk.
You didn't have as much movement, you didn't have as
much spacing, so it was easy to be physical like that.
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OKC in the patient space Era has guys that can
get all in your mug and defend ninety four feet
on a spread basketball court. And that's a big reason
why points in the paint. OKC fifty four Minnesota. And
if that's not good enough for you, I know you're
(08:02):
saying not impressed by the defense. Discount the fourth quarter.
It was a blowout.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Sure, if you want to.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Play that game, that's fine. Here's what Minnesota shot in
the other three quarters. The first quarter eight for twenty
one to thirty eight percent, the second quarter seven for
twenty two to thirty two percent, the third quarter six
for nineteen thirty two percent. This OKSEE defense is gnarly.
And just to put it for our football fans, here's
a comparison that I thought of in the wee hours
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of Tuesday and a Wednesday. Let me know if it
makes sense to you. Maybe I'll get cooked in the
comments too. This ok S team reminds me a little bit,
oh boy, of the NBA's version of the Kansas City Chiefs. Okay,
the Chiefs defense was incredible. That's how they won their games.
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They lean on their defense. They find ways to win
their best player, Patrick Mahomes, to put it lightly, got
a very soft whistle in the NFL. Did he not ary?
Could you not say the same thing about this current
ok See team. Their defense is going to carry the day.
That's how they win, that's how they make their money.
They're also led by an MVP and SGA, who, to
(09:14):
your point, did not play great, but his style of
play gets a soft whistle. His hurky jerky movements leads
to him getting to the free throw line a lot.
It's not fun to watch unless you're like a real
purist of the game. So I said on Twitter, it's
not ethical basketball if that's how you want to call it,
But goddamn is it effective.
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Speaker 2 (09:46):
Rob It's interesting you say, swallow the whistles. There was
a litany of videos posted online about how soft ass
whistles against Minnesota, And there was one where SGA is
like flying to the left and Anthony Edwards is right
with him, and they call it an an and you
could just see everybody on Minnesota be like what are
you doing? Like, how on earth could you have watched
that Detroit New York series where it was prison rules basketball? Okay,
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and call this it's just the lack of consistencies, just
that it just hurts the NBA. Now, I did see
an interesting number regarding the threes rob when Minnesota just
kept settling. So teams are now two to eighteen this
season when attempting forty five or more threes against Oklahoma City.
I hate to break it to Minnesota, but you guys
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are not the Celtics. You can't make a million threes.
Like you've got some good three point shooters, but as
the Lakers proved, this is not a great three point
shooting team. Remember the Lakers and Tiberwols were close in
I think the final three games might have been the
final four games, and Minnesota couldn't shoot threes, and that's
why the Lakers were able to keep it close despite
having like nothing on the interior. But ok see, got wise.
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They said we're not gonna jack threes. They only took
twenty one threes versus fifty one. Now in the first half,
when Minnesota was jacking threes, rob it wasn't a big
deal because they were collecting offensive boards. They had eight
offensive rebounds in the first half, and then in the
third quarter they're jacking threes and they got zero offensive rebounds.
So all of a sudden, you get, okay, see, we're
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just gonna let's rebound the freakin' basketball, not get Julius
Randall in company multiple chances, and you just kind of
turned their water off and now and then they add nothing.
I did see, Rob, I'm sure you saw this. There's
a video circulating Anthony Edwards and Julius Randall are at
the podium. Anthony Edwards picks up the scores sheet and
points at something and him and Julius Randall both laugh.
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Now we don't know what they laughed at, but I'm
sure there are some guesses. I will I lead the
speculation that it had to be the free throw merchant
SGA attempting fourteen free throws, folks, Anthony Edwards attempted seven,
Randall six combine SGA attempted more than they did. I mean,
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is that what he was laughing at? I don't know.
Is it Jaden McDaniel's fouling out, which I found puzzling.
I thought he kind of got shafted. But whatever. The
only other thing is maybe they were pointing at the
bench and how absolutely awful not was reading company with.
I don't know, what do you think.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
I mean, all of those are plausible, but let me
just say that it is a horrible look. It's borderline
embarrassing that Anthony Edwards and Julius Randa would point at
a box score and laugh, particularly for Anthony Edward. Anthony
Edwards I think only had what was that, like five
points in the second half. He had no points in
the fourth quarter. He was minus eleven in the fourth quarter. Okay,
the final like six minutes were he was a team
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worse minus twenty three. He had eighteen points, nine rebounds,
three assists, four turnovers. My brother in christ, you are
supposed to be the face of the league. Your coach
has gone on record several times a saying, we go
as you go. You're the leader of the team. We
need you to be locked in from minute one to
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minute forty eight. And I don't know if it was
the ankle turn in that second quarter and that mad
him a little bit hesitant. I don't know if it was,
you know, just the defense and oka. See you know
what are some combination of all the above. Anthony Edwards
played a C minus game himself. Now, of course the
bench was an f period.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Wait, I forgot hold on Rob What was the injury?
Why was he in the locker room?
Speaker 3 (13:25):
I mean he's had an ankle problem for a couple
of weeks now, right. I think he got injured against
the Lakers. Then he reaggravated it against the Golden State,
I think in game one or Game two, and he's
just dealing with it, right, and that's fine. Everybody's hurt
at this time of the year. Basically, and again, the
bench was terrible. But you're the guy, like you're the
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one you more than SGA, even your team needs you
to be great on a night to night basis for
them to win. SGA for his team, I know that
he's the leading scorer and he's the focal point of
the offense. They come at you in so much depth
and so many ways, so many waves offensively, but more importantly,
their defense is just lights out lockdown. So no matter
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what he does, even if he doesn't have it going
like he didn't have it on Tuesday night, they're gonna
be in a lot of games because they defend so
well Anthony Edwards when he doesn't have it going offensively,
have you noticed his defense kind of WANs too, Like
he's one of those guys who really feeds off one
end of the other. Have you noticed that outside of
Julius Randall, there's not a single player on that team
(14:33):
that can get his own shot in Minnesota?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
But yeah, that's that dude. That was my biggest issue, rob, Like, after.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Ya, they need him to get it going. So for
him and Julius Randall to have this little chuckle moment
at the podium, I didn't understand it. Julius Randall played
great in the first half. Anthony Edwards played okay in
the first half. Anthony Edwards did jack shit in the
second half.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Oh the hold on Randall did not attempt to three
in the second half. That is bizarre, But his rest
of his team was jacking. I just found out what
Aunt and Randall were laughing at. Rudy Gobert had three
rebounds in twenty one minutes, Isaiah Joe had in thirteen.
That has to be it. They're clowning their own teammate,
Rudy Gobert. But again, do you think this is all
of a sudden, it's gonna be a sweep or something.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Oh not at all, Not at all. I think both
of these teams are relatively evenly matching. Like the way
they want to play is similar, talked about it before
in the in the conference preview. They want to own
the paint, they want to play defense. Neither team is
a really great shooting three point team, as evidence by
of course Minnesota goes fifteen to fifty one, the Thunder
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only attempt twenty one threes. Okay, like, neither one of
those is what I would consider it to be sustainable
to win the series. And so which team is either
going to a get hot, which Minnesota obviously did not
and okay, see did just enough for them to keep
him honest. And two, which team is going to own
the painted area? Okay, se won that in a landslide
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to your point. Once they took Rooty Go Bear out
of the game, Minnesota had nobody at the rim, so
it was it was not gonna call it a layup line,
but it was free reign to the painted area and
makes them happen. So I still think this is gonna
be a long series. But Minnesota needs to really reevaluate
their game plan against Oklahoma City defense if it means
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Julius Ryanno'll bring your point guard. But what they did
in game one obviously did not work.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
I'm wondering I didn't see. I would love to see
a track how many possessions of zone defense they played.
I don't think Minnesota played much, if any. No. I
wonder if Finch was like, all right, you know what,
we're gonna try this and we're gonna save this for
for You know, you can't fire all the bullets in
the chamber. You can't just fire everything early. I will say,
(16:45):
you know, if people are like Jay, you're not giving
any props to uh okay, see, I will say. I
looked it up the kid Kenrich Williams who came on
and was good Rob Do you want me to I
just looked on his game log. Okay, do you have
any gate? How many minutes he played in the in
the non blowout games against Denver, ignoring the two the
two blowouts, zero correct he played when they beat Memphis
(17:10):
by fifty one, he played a bunch, and in another
game against Memphis, he played two minutes. He's barely played
since the end of the regular season, they put him
in the second quarter. Ox I was actually like, who
is that? I don't remember him at all from the
Denver series and it's like this guy who played in
the regular season essentially was relegated to the bench. And
then it's like, hey, Western Conference Finals, second quarter game one,
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Kenrich get in there, Like do you know how hard
that is? I mean, I'm just trying to think of myself,
like I personally would have probably quit if I wasn't
playing at all. Like he was just like, that's for
that's a deep bench they got. Oh we know they
got a good bench. Yeah, but like Caruso. By the way,
chet Holgren not a huge factor.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Ludor Wder he was huge. He was great in the
fourth they were up twenty, I mean, but he got
him to twenty, like it was like a ten point game.
Then he got into eighteen, and.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
So lou Dort really a non factor. They just they're
really well built. I don't know what the like, the
how long of a runway they have, because it feels
like they have one one max player and then they
don't have a second, second Max guy and you could
say like, oh, well, this is the new model, not necessarily.
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I mean they're hitting all their draft picks, like all
their guys, and then they wisely stole Caruso from the
Bulls in a swap for Josh Ginny. Isaiah Joe was
a great pickup Wiggins, whilet like, I mean, almost everything
they touch is turning the gold. Isaiah Hartenstein's solid. They're
pretty damn good. I mean it's undeniable. They have a
better roster than the Timberwolves. But yeah, overall, I'm not
(18:44):
I don't think Chris Finch is panicking now if they
get blasted by twenty again, right, I think I think
we got a problem, you know. But I fully expect
a different outlook. They will not approach fifty one threes,
and I expect Game two to be an Anthony Edwards referendum.
He will, he will, he will show he's him, He's
that guy, I hope. Yeah, we don't need this ending
(19:06):
this quickly.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I got a wild take for you real quick before
you wrap it up, based off He's okay see in
their depth. I know that you had the viral take
about Austin Reeves that if he was a Lakers okay
sees series that he would be what was the fourth
fourth player picked behind.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Wait wait, wait, no, no, hold on, it would have been
Lebron Luca Shay and then yeah, yeah, yeah, Austin.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Would you if you're the Lakers, we'll get back to
the Lakers, of course, and you know you're building around Luca.
He's the guy, and there's no way standard that's about it.
Would you say, hey, okay, see, we'll trade you Austin
Reeves back to his home state, and we're gonna take
Cason Wallace. We're gonna take Alic or whoever. You know,
the bench guys, the twitchy defenders that can all kind
(19:48):
of do things off the bench for Austin Reeves.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
You know, I'm an Austin Reeves guy.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
I know you are.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
That's why I had to throw it at you real quick.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
It's you know, okay, hold on, let me look at this.
The team salaries. Let me just quickly look at okasee jeez,
where the hell are they? Oh my gosh, they're twenty
fifth in salary. You're not paying anybody other than Jay
Kayson Wallace hard time five point eight million, then a
qualifying offer of seven to four then ten. That's an
(20:17):
amazing contract. Oh my gosh, well, listen, I love Austin Reiz,
but if you're giving me Kayson Wallace, I don't think
you can get Caruso, kiss On, Joe and ken Rich.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Like they just seem like they have a lot of guys.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Who are in that three and d mole that everybody
but but Kenrich Williams is great as you're eleventh guy,
what happens if you have to be like seven?
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I think he could be a seven and a lot
of teams. Maybe I'm not say on the Lakers, but
just hypothetically.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I am curious where Kayson Wallace. I saw somebody say
he would start on like over ninety percent of the
teams in the league. I was like, wait a minute,
that all right, let's but I don't know about that.
I mean, he's not starting over loud Dort, Like, come on,
if he was that brat, he would be over lou Dort.
Now I knew loud Dort's a good player. But yeah,
(21:13):
this team, they're not even gonna lose anybody in free agency,
No shit, man, this team is kind of sort of loaded.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
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Speaker 2 (21:31):
We can wrap up by the way, did you watch
the end of the Indiana Fever game.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
I saw the highlight. I didn't get really catch it
that it's weir end.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
What in the lead up to the Western Conference game one,
I'm like, oh, let me check out the Fever and
they're just getting bodied inside by Britney Griner and a
couple other just tall women. And of course Indiana makes
this massive comeback and Caitlyn Clark misses a step back
sixteen footer. They end up losing by one. It was
actually a good game. I think this Fever team is.
(22:01):
They're kind of fun to watch drop listen. Man. Some
of the basketball is not great, especially in the paint.
You've just got people just flailing and tossing up garbage.
But the way that I watch Curry when he's on
the perimeter, I like watching his movements and the way
the team moves around him in screens. The Fever are
not doing for Clark what the Warriors do for Curry.
(22:23):
Curry is an amazing shape and they set a gauntlet
of screens and Curry gets open repeatedly. The Fever aren't
really doing that. You know, there's a screen here or there,
but I'm not seeing the elevator play. I'm not seeing
anything flashy and smart to the corner. I would think
they would be doing that for Clark. I didn't see
that in this game. Now, again it's early. Maybe they
get there's working in new stuff. They've got so many
(22:45):
new players. But yeah, I can't really take my eyes
off Kaitlin Clark because that story. And by the way,
the Angel reaes Caitlin Clark thing is what are we
on day four?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Could we get RG three on?
Speaker 1 (22:57):
No?
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I think pieces that is just really jump.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
It instantly becomes about race, and like, I can't believe
Ryan Clark said, I know, I know, you know he's
he's not talking about black women at the dinner table
because he's had two white wives. Like, yeah, I heard that.
I was like, why would you say that? And let
me wrap up rob just because RG three, if him
(23:22):
and Clark probably would go to blows over that. So
we're in our Men's League game Monday night. I didn't
want to talk about this yesterday on the pod because
I was still heated. So we're playing the team with
the league's leading scorer. This guy is obviously a really
good player. He claims he played at the University of Georgia.
I looked him up. I couldn't find him. But he
has worked as like a scout for the Warriors for
a while. And he's a really good shooter. He was
(23:44):
leading the league in scoring at like twenty eight a game.
But we played him last year, and I know he's
a little you know, he's like, I think thirty eight
forty whatever he is. I know he doesn't want to
work hard to get open. So I say I'll guard
him and I'll pick him a full court and I'm
going to deny him the basketball, right, So that's our strategy.
And I tell I'll start on him, let me go hard,
and then you can rotate in and we'll tag in.
(24:04):
And so he has zero points midway through this first half, okay,
and he starts to get frustrated. So he finally gets
the ball and I'm all over him in the back court.
And then another guy comes to double and as he passes,
he then like shoves me with like a Draymond uses
his arm and I look at the ref. I'm like,
what's that? And he's like, and then the guy goes, well,
(24:26):
if he's gonna be all up on me like that,
I'm gonna throw elbows. I was like, what do you
I didn't and the rest like he didn't touch you.
And then we start this war like back and forth
as one of his teammates turn it over and he
starts saying stuff, and I start saying stuff and I'm
subbing out already, right, I was coming off, and he's like,
you know, start saying more stuff. And then you know me,
(24:47):
I'm mouthy. I'm not gonna back down, and you know,
the commissioner. At this point, the commissioner steps in and
is walking him the guy over to his bench. But
I still hear stuff. I don't know if it's people,
and I'm like, just stop being a whiny bitch. A
play basket. She played basketball, this is you know. He's like, So,
then I guess that really set him off. I think
I said that because in the heat of the moment,
you don't remember. So he is then irate and he's
(25:11):
coming after me, like coming down the sideline to me,
walking around people who are like, what's going on, And
there's like probably fifteen people watching the game. And these
are all guys who play pick up all the time.
And you know, this guy's bigger than me. I mean,
I'm in better shape than him. But he's very angry,
and you know, he's yelling I'm not that guy, I'm
not the what and he's like kind of foaming it that.
(25:33):
He's very heated. And at this point he's walking close
to me, and I'm like, I'm still thinking, like, oh,
nothing's gonna happen, like just what's wrong? And I keep saying,
just play basketball. Stop whining, play basketball. And at one
point he gets like maybe eight feet away from me,
and he's still heated, and I'm like, he's this guy
in my mind, I'm like, is this guy gonna And
(25:53):
I'm just standing there is this guy gonna throw a
punch and like three people grab him, and then the
commissioner pulls us both outside. He's like, listen, guys, I'm
gonna have to write you up for this. You know
we can't have any of this. By the way, if
anybody throws a punch, you are thrown out of this
gym permanently. Your membership's disbanded. And I'm sitting here like,
oh my gosh, was this guy gonna swing on me. Rob,
I swear nobody's ever swung on me in basketball in
(26:15):
the forty years I've been playing. Never And in my
I go back into the gym and like, I'm talking
to our guys on the team and they're like, dude,
A Liner goes he was gonna put you in the hospital.
Matt Liner's on our team, and I was like, come on,
He's like, dude, he was so angry and I was
like why, and they're like, I don't know. I think
he just snapped and you know, he hadn't been getting
the ball and they were they're a good team. But
(26:36):
we smashed him. And Rob, have you ever been when
was the last time you got swung them?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Like in a sporting event or just in life? Oh gosh,
it doesn't happen, does it. We're not really, not really.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
I mean, this guy apparently's married with a kid or
two now, and I'm like, who does that? I was
just I was stuck. Now, maybe I popped off too much.
And afterward, you know, we beat him and he's kind
of he's new to this team, so a lot of
the guys didn't know him. And after him and I
had to both sit out. You know, we both rested.
After this. We went on like a fifteen nothing run
or whatever. And after the game, I noticed, like, you know,
(27:12):
we go to say a good game, his whole team
like walked away from it. He's sitting on the bench
with like his head down. I go around like Chris, hey, man, sorry,
I don't know what I said, but sorry, I lost
my head. He's like, yeah, no, pro, that's all good.
I'm sorry, man. And I'm sitting there and I'm like,
maybe he had a bad day, maybe he lost his job,
something happened to his cat. I don't know, but Rob,
I just have a hard time wondering, like what makes
(27:34):
a grown adult with a family and a job and
like a light, what makes you snap like that.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
It's never that incident, and we think we talked about
on other shows about other people you getting in his
mug and trash talking. I promise you that.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
No, I don't get it. I don't get in people's faces.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
But whatever, in that instance, I promise you that that
was not the impetus behind him potentially swinging on you.
It's something that happened the day before, an hour before,
a week before, or something that's been building and building
and building, and you just happen to be the one
that set him off because either he you know, something
(28:12):
happened with his wife. I don't know what it is,
and you know he's not gonna hit her obviously, but
he can definitely hit Jason McIntyre. Like, you know, there's
not gonna be any repercussions from that. I like, God,
forbid to kick out of a basketball league. That's the
worst gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Well, not the league. You remember at the gym, you'd
be kicked out whatever.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
But I'm saying, like, relatively, that's not gonna like you're
not gonna punch your boss at work, you know. But
the guy I played with on the rec league that
is not on my team. That's that's it just happens
to be the one.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Do you remember the Chris Child's Kobe Bryant incident?
Speaker 3 (28:39):
I do?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Do we ever get word on what happened? Why that
like that? I mean, like you don't see that in
the NBA Guys just toe to toe, just swinging on
each other. You don't, That's that never happened.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Do you remember the Rick Fox Doug Christie like that one?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Better?
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Oh yeah, yeah, that way they met in the locker
room and they went.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Down the hot tunnel. Yeah yeah, yeah, that is like
it had to be something personal.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
You know, I just it surprises me. Obviously getting heated
and upset and getting in someone's face, but like being
ready to swing on someone is like that's wild anyway.
So I just I don't know why I told that story,
but maybe you could see in Minnesota Timberwlves so some
fight like that in game two.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
That was the version of Clark versus Reese. That little
thing that was your version of it.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I'm waiting for one of the one of the guys
on our team was like, Jam, that wouldn't have been
a bad trade if you both got ejected, you know,
And I'm like I'll take that, you know. I mean,
I think I hit five threes in the game. I
don't know if they posted the box score real quick,
Nicks are four and a half tonight, who you got?
Speaker 3 (29:42):
I mean, I like the Knicks to win, but I
don't know if I don't feel kindable betting upad on
this game at all.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Yeah, I did have. I did a pizza money on
the Timberwolves that it was flushed third quarter, So i'll
i'll do I'll put on the next month, hopefully I
get a four. I think they'll be I think they'll
be okay. In game one. There's a really good Knicks team.
By the way, Garden is going to be just absolutely geeked.
And yeah, I think Nicks Nick's got this one in.
(30:08):
And by the way, the history of these teams a
lot of double digit wins.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
So it's gonna be a style of play style the
way the Pacers play. It's it's lend us off the
big games on either.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Side unless you're the Cavs. Right, all right, we are
back tomorrow. See you then,
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