September 6, 2023 • 40 mins
On today’s episode, Jason discusses the short and long term impact of Kansas City Chiefs All-Pro tight end Travis Kelce suffering a knee injury at Tuesday’s practice, whether or not the Colorado Buffaloes’ hype train has already gone off the rails and Rich Paul’s rationale for LeBron James being the GOAT over Michael Jordan.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What
is up, Straight firefam, It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight Fire
for Wednesday, September sixth, first week of NFL, and the
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bodies are dropping like flies. Oh my gosh, little did
I think there would be so many instrumental NFL players
going down for Week one. It's it's brutal, folks. If
you had your fantasy draft I've had several of them
and you got Cooper Cup, you got problems. If you
had your fantasy draft and you have Travis kelce you
might have major problems. We'll talk about the Kelsey situation,
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the Cooper Cup. We'll get into that. Rich Paul, We'll
do a quick little NBA thing because rob G's back,
and we got I know, Robb G loves NBA segments
and it's like Lebron, Rich Paul, Michael Jordan. I mean, listen,
it's September. I know we're in football mode. We'll do
a little more Dion Sanders, but we have to start
with Travis kelcey and the huge news that broke Tuesday
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mid you know, maybe two pm ish Eastern Standard time.
Travis kelce practicing with the Chiefs ahead of Thursday night
Football's season opening matchup Lions at Case and Travis Kelcey
suffers a hyper extended knee. Whatever that means. Andy Reid
has said his availability for the opener is uncertain TBD
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for Travis kelce Well, you know, people could speculate and
have opinions all they want. Let's trust the market. This
line was six and a half Chiefs. It instantly went
down to six and then at some of the respected shops.
I've talked to you guys about it. I downloaded this
app and they're not paying me, so I shouldn't really
promote them. It's called Bett Stamp. And you could just
go ahead and pick the best sports books to monitor
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minute by minute, hour by hour. And I have the
three or the two biggest ones are Bet Chris and
the Super Book. Those are the two big ones. And
you have like Caesar's MGM and FanDuel and whatever. And
you can see where the lines are. Will super Book
one of the sharpest because they take the big bets
went down to five a point and a half on
the Travis Kelcey news. Now, some of that has to
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do with the Chris Jones factor. That Chris Jones. He
ain't playing. Even if they come to a deal right now,
at this very juncture, Chris Jones signs with the Chiefs,
it's all good. He's not playing. He hasn't played any preseason,
hasn't been any staff. You can't rush him back and
have him suffer some kind of soft tissue injury. You
can't have that with Chris Jones. So you're just gonna
be down your best run stopper. And if you look
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around on the internet, the splits for the Chiefs with him,
without Chris Jones, they're bad. Like, yeah, they got some
good defenders, a couple good cornerbacks. I like Bolton, but
they're not gonna be able to stop the run. And
if you look at Dan Campbell, he likes to run
the football. They sign Montgomery from the Bears. They drafted Gibbs,
who's kind of a dual threat, a lot of pass catching.
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I think this could be a slow down game. I
know everybody's saying points and points and that probably will happen,
But there is a world where Detroit says, you know what,
we're just gonna ball control, attack and you know, death
by a thousand. Montgomery's short yardage games, and then all
of a sudden, you've got the defense sucked in to
stop the run and Amara saying Brown is hitting deep
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and this could be a problem for the Chiefs, and
rob we haven't really talked about it because the Chiefs
largely are immune to everything. Okay, Kansas City essentially loses
Tyreek Hill, best receiver in football, and they don't miss
a beat. Their offensive numbers improve and they win the
Super Bowl. Okay, so they're immune to seemingly everything. They
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lose Honey Badger and no big deal. We lost Honey Badger,
really good secondary player, he was excellent with them. Didn't matter.
They lose their two starting tackles and nobody's batting an
eye because it's Patrick Mahomes. Well, now you've got no
Chris Jones and the Travis Kelcey situation. Folks like, are
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we giving too much credit to Andy Reid off a bye? Well,
first game of the season, Patrick Mahomes, I saw a
breakdown for Pro Football Focus. Patrick Mahomes is literally the
best Week one quarterback in the history of football because
he's absolutely lit up everybody in a small sample size
of what five games, like Patrick Mahomes crushes everyone. And
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even if he's throwing a sky Moore and who is it?
Is it Noah Fan or no, I'm sorry, Noah Gray
is the backup tight end. He's throwing a sky Moore
and mvs like Jerrick McKinnon, Isaiah Pacheco, Like that's the
scope position players. If you look at them, remove Kelsey,
what they bring to the table now is inferiors to
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an Alliance. It's inferior to a lot of teams. It'd
probably be below average in the NFL. And yet everybody
still just believes it's read, it's Mahomes, They're going to
be fine. I think there was a stat where Andy
Reid had not lost a September game with Patrick Mahomes
in many, many years, and it's like they're just immune
to everything. Nothing gets touth Kansas City. Well, I don't know, folks.
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I'll admit I took a nibble Detroit to win money
Line plus two forty three and then I saw it
go down quickly and like the hour after that on Tuesday,
and I gotta be honest, you look at this Chargers roster.
I'm reading reports that J. C. Jackson, who suffered that
gruesome busted kneecap J C. Jackson might play and start
against the Dolphins. I'm like, what, how is that possible?
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And it's I don't know, Rob. You look at his Chargers.
I think there's a world where Denver starts out hot.
They could go three and one to start the season.
They should go to and other their favor in the
first two games at home, and Casey's got this tough
one against Detroit. The Kelsey you know, is Travis Kelcey
out a week? Is he out two or four weeks?
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And like, I like Sky Moore as much as the
next guy. I like this Rashid Rice I think is
his name, the young kid they drafted. But coun Patrick
Mahomes turn like this mediocre group of guys into superstars
like that quickly with two new tackles. I don't know, Rob.
I'm not saying your Raiders are gonna come win the
division or anything crazy like that, but it feels like
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a lot is happening with Kansas City, and I might
take a flyer on the Chargers to win the division
just for fun, I do believe. To be clear, for me,
the Chargers are the biggest boom Bus team in the league.
The Chargers will be in the Super Bowl, or they
will be eight and nine miss the playoffs and they
fire their coach and bringing Jim Harble. One of those
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two things happened with the Charger I don't see like
a first round exit. Like there's just too much talent
for them to screw this up unless Brandon Dally messes
it up. But as for the Chiefs, I'm not gonna
lie Rob.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
I'm a little concerned, yeah, and rightfully so. I mean, well,
first off, as it relates to this specific game, I
will go big picture Chiefs in a minute. There's a
lot of hype surrounding these Detroit Lions. Right They've been
the most bet team both in terms of total handle
and in total bets at bet MGM to make the
Super Bowl out of the NFC, more than the Eagles,
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more than the Niners, more than the Cowboys. People are
being with the Lions corn Is Caesar Sportsbook. They have
I mentioned the most bets to win the NFC, the
most bets to win the NFC North, the most bets
to have Coach of the Year, the most bets to
have offensive Rookie of the Year, the most bets to
have defensive Player of the Year, like everybody is betting
on the Detroit Lions. We are going to find out very,
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very very quickly if all of this offseason hype is legitimate.
Because you just mentioned it, Kansas City, for all of
their success recently, a case can be made that they
are a more established, a steroided up version of the
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Rams team that won a Super Bowl with Matthew Stafford.
Because this roster is unbelievably top heavy. It's Patrick Mahomes,
it's Chris Jones, it's Travis Kelcey. A huge drop off
maybe four or five. Really, you mentioned I like Nick Bolton,
a lot of think is a good defensive player. They
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got some good offensive lineman. And then what you're banking
on a lot of unproven guys who haven't done a
whole heck of a lot at this level yet individually
as a team, of course they have because Patrick Mahomes
is that special. Him and Andy Reid and Chris Jones
and Travis kelce they can make you know, lemonades out
of chicken shit, like they are that good. And so
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you're banking on Patrick Mahomes being able to overcome for
my money minus Travis Kelcey is probably a bottom third
group of skill positions in the NFL. I mean, there's
nobody established in that group. People are optimistic about Sky Moore,
Captain Hivey, Fantasy League, that's great. MVS is you know,
very boom or bust. Kadarius Tony, the idea of Kadarius
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Tony is fantastic, but the problem is he's always hurt,
so you don't know if he's actually good or not.
This track, this Travis Kelce thing, is so interesting on
so many levels because, as you mentioned it, what does
it mean for them in the AFC West? What does
it that mean for them in the AFC. The AFC
as a whole is a juggernaut. There's only one by
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a week to go around. If you start off the season,
but the Travis Kelz misses two or three games one and
two or zero to three because they don't have any
other legitimate go to weapons on offense, then can you
just count you know, the first seat, say bye bye
to that immediately, Like can you afford to start off
slowe the AFC? I don't think so. So that's number one.
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The other one, this is something that we didn't even
talk about before we started recording but if I'm Travis Kelz,
I am livid right now as we've recorded this podcast,
not only because of the injury, like that sucks. They
don't wants to get hurt. I understand that. But he is,
without a doubt their most important offensive weapon and has been,
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you know, outside of the quarterback since he's been there
seven straight seasons. Over one thousand yards and NFL record
for tight ends last season, leads the team in both
receptions and receiving yards one hundred ten and three and
thirty eight and yet, according to my research, doesn't have
any more guaranteed money on his contract. Is currently I believe,
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the fourth highest paid tight end in football, and he
has gone on a record at least once. The Vanity
Affair is saying that he knows he's underpaid and that
he sometimes feels like he's being taken advantage of. So
you're giving up money, you're giving up security with a
guarantee contract, so you're the best offensive weapon that they have,
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right and you're doing that with the intention of saying, Hey,
I'm giving up I'm taking less so that we can
surround me with high end talent so that in the
event I do hyper extend my knee, or I sprain
my ankle, or I separate my shold, whatever, something that's
maybe not season ending, but it could take you out
a couple of weeks so that we can weather the
storm until I get back. And now we're talking about
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Sky Moore, Isaiyah Pa Checko, the ghost of Kadarius Tony, Like,
how pissed must you must be that you're doing all
these sacrificing for the franchise. Your second most important player,
Chris Jones is not even there right now. He's gonna
hold out to mid season, he says. And now you
go into the season with zero established weapons on the
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outside because Kelsey's hurt. Not great, It's not good at all.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Now, No, you did bring up an interesting point. You know,
Dan Campbell is not perceived as a great coach. Right,
we agree the offensive coordinator sharp, We like the Aiden
Hutchison pickup defense was still leaky last year. But even
with all these Chiefs problems, Let's be realistic, Rob, even
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with all these issues, top heavy team. I like the
Rams comparison that you had. You know, like, I haven't
heard anybody say that I might have to I might
have to drive that into the ground, Like, I like that.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
That's good. Might see it on the herd coming up?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, I might see that on the herd. But it's
weird because I still can't get over Andy Reid against
Dan Campbell. What is that? Like Mike Tyson against Mike Spinks.
Remember how it was like a thirty second fight, Like
Andy Reid Versusdan? Like, who are you backing in that?
And so part of me thinks, like Reid and Mahomes
will figure this out. But how much can we just
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rely on that? Oh, they'll figure those two will figure
it out. And I just start to wonder, like, Okay,
let's say the Lions pull the upset. Well, guess who
they got in Week two? The Chiefs maybe with no Kelsey.
You know, you said it could be anywhere from a
one to three week injury Jacksonville rematch from the AFC playoffs,
And that was closer than a lot of people thought.
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Jacks played them twice last year. A lot of people
think Trevor Lawrence makes the jump to light speed this
season year two with Peterson, they ad Calvin Ridley. I mean,
let's be real, the Jags have better scale position players
with Ridley and Kirk and ETN. They have better scope
position players right now than the Chiefs do. There's no
doubt about that. Evan ingram over over Noah whatever his
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name is. I think Noah Gray. I think there is
a possibility, Rob, that the Chiefs could could could maybe
start oh to two, that's how big of a deal
Kelsey is. Week three will give them the winning ains
the Bears, well, you know who they have. In week
four they travel to New York for a date with
Aaron Rodgers and the Jets. And if Chris Jones still
a back, Let's say Kelsey's not one hundred percent, but
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you know he's gonna go. That's a big time game.
That is a Sunday night football game. I mean goodness,
that's gonna be a tough ticket in Gotham. And now
it's like one and two, you will give him the
win over the Bears Kansas City Jets changing of the guard.
Like that's why, Rob, when we do these offseason breakdowns
of like, oh, well, this team looks amazing and look
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at their schedule. They get this here and this, like
you could kind of toss that out the window. I mean,
Bosa's not signed in San Franz. Maybe that changes here
in the next twenty four hours. But he's not signed.
Chris Jones not signed. All of a sudden, did you
say this George Kittle news, George Kittle is hurt and
may not play Week one. It's like, damn rock Pertty's
coming back face. The Steelers are no Kiddle, Like, I
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know they still have Debo and c Mac, but George
Kittle's really really good, excellent blocker. And then you start like,
look at around the league in these injuries, I mean,
Denver wide receiver rooms being been gutted, like injuries every
Terry mclaurin's probably not gonna go. Cooper Cup probably not
gonna play in Week one, and of course I kept
him in my fantasy league. I'm so such an idiot.
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I did not think it was as bad. And we
had the draft last week, and you know it was like, oh,
Cooper Cup's not one hundred percent, but it's Cooper Cup.
He's gonna be fine. He was hurt all last year.
He can't be hurt again. Now. It's like, whoa, what
are the Rams gonna do. It's like Matt Stafford working
with two two out well and Van Jefferson and the
kid from Byu who, by the way, I'm hearing through
Rams people that he could be a breakout guy. That
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Stafford's vibing with him. So if you're looking for a
deep flyer, you know, take that kid from BYU who
I think the number three receiver this week. But Seattle's
gonna score, The Rams are gonna have to throw, and
if there's no Cooper cups somebody, he's gonna have to
catch passes. Just file it away. But I don't know
this Chris Jones thing, this Travis Kelce thing rob not
great news for the Chiefs heading into the can I
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call it a Titanic clash with the Lions. It's week one,
of course it's Titanic.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
According to the betters. It's the Super Bowl preview, you know,
so he's got to be prepared for that. And I
must say full disclosure of any of the things I'm
hating on the Chiefs. My Super Bowl pick is Chiefs
over Niners. And you just brought up four key players
on those two rosters.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Wait wait, do you have a Chiefs Niners rematch?
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (15:30):
From like three years ago?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Okay, yes, So I'm not feeling good either about this America.
Like no Chris Jones, no Travis Kelce, no George Kittle,
and no Nick Boson. No, I'm not feeling great about
my preseason super Bowl pick right now.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
It's weird just hearing you say that I haven't. I
don't think I've made a Super Bowl pick. I think
mostly because I'm, like, you know, doing the fantasy and
the gambling in the week to week stuff. It's tough
to project out.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
And you probably have so many bets for futures, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
It's yeah, yeah, it's tough to like keep tracking. But
if you said, Jay, you've got to pick up two,
I guess I would go Bengals Eagles and my backup
Super Bowl would be Chargers.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Eagles. Okay, can I just say quickly before we move
on to something else. I published my preseason division picks,
and you know things like that, me and friend of
the show Peter King have the exact same seven teams
in the AFC, But more importantly, myself and Peter King,
the legend the sharpest football mine in America, also has
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the Jacksonville Jaguars as the one seat in the AFC.
Like I do.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
That is bold?
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Now makes me feel smart. So like if Peter King
says that I feel good.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I hear that they got don't They have an offensive
line suspension and then they've got another issue with the
other tackle.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
And they also have a very light schedule, similar to
the New Orleans Saints where we talked about them last
week on a couple weeks ago on the Pod. Very
light schedule for Jacksonville.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Let's move quickly to college football. We did a lot
on Deon Sanders and folks a peek behind the curtain.
Like I knew the Deon Sanders thing was big, but
when I talked about Dion on the Herd and they
make it, made me some video from what I said,
and they put it online and it did crazy numbers
on Instagram. I'm like, what's going on? They were like,
look at the numbers on TikTok. I'm like, I'm not
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really on TikTok, but I need a TikTok presence now,
I'm told. And the numbers were massive, and I was like, Wow,
people are obsessed with Dion. Now look at the gambling.
Are you ready for this? So we talked about it.
Nebraska was a seven and a half point favorite in
Colorado before last weekend's games. It has now moved to
Colorado favor by three, But it doesn't stop there. Various
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betting websites are now saying and Darren Rovel has tweeted
out that one sports book let me get the exact
name here, but one sports book said that the number
one bet to win the National Title is Colorado. What
who's lighting money on fire betting Colorado to win the Natty?
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The most bets to win the Heisman? This is at DraftKings,
Travis Hunter and Shoulder Sanders are people? Are people dumb?
Are you really betting them to win the Heisman Trophy?
Off one week? And Colorado to win the National Title?
Have you looked at the schedule? I mean, this is insanity,
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rob This has the feel of like the Memestock era
during COVID, where people were just like, oh my gosh,
we gotta get bed bath and body what was it?
Bed bath and beyond? We gotta get that to the
moon and we gotta get an AMC theater. I've already
forgotten what the game stock game stop. People were freaking
out and unloading and you're like, what are we doing here?
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The problem is you could sell those stocks. You can't
sell your tickets here. Yeah, I mean, nobody's buying any
of these. That that's lunacy shoulder. Sanders has one five
hundred yard game, one of the greatest games in school history,
and you're betting him to win the Natty and the Heisman.
I mean, Rob, this has gotten a little out of
control now. As if that wasn't enough, We had this
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guy on here, Dave Mason a bet Online we had
him on last season. He says he's never seen anything
like the Colorado Action. Saturday's game is on pace to
be the biggest bet college football regular season game in
the history of bet online. Not an SEC game, not
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a massive Michigan Ohio State game, Colorado Nebraska there is
According to Dave Mason bet Online, there is now more
cash on Colorado spread than the spread of all thirty
two NFL teams. Rob, if this isn't meme, stop, this
is everybody wanting a piece of Dion, and I gotta
get on board. I love Dion's story and were not
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coming we hear, I mean, I kind of like it.
It sounds good. Dion's a great he's a great Carnival Barker,
pretty good coach. And the other one was, uh, there
was another great line that Dion had. I mean, I
had like fifty of them, because he's he's just a
great public speaker, but he he's got people irrational and folks,
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I think, I'm sorry. I know the audience isn't gonna
love this. The only way to bet Colorado Nebraska is
to take Nebraska. As we get closer to kickoff this,
we'll see how far If it hits like four. If
it's four, we're talking about a eleven point swing on
the line. That's unforeseen, that does not happen. So just
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think about it. Joe Public shoveling all his money on Colorado.
Joey college kid, taking the money his parents gave him
to spend maybe, you know, for the for the month.
He's dumping all that on Shadeur Sanders and Travis Hunter,
two really good players, folks. I'm just gonna preach some
caution now. I know. Rob loves to throw caution into
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the wind. He's you know, the guy's spending money like
it's water. I've been to Disney once in like the
last three years. This guy goes every month and it's
like it was super expensive. But Rob, Colorado Buffaloes. They're
taking all the bets, all the money everybody wants in
on the actions. Are you getting in on this?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I personally am not. But there was another nugget that
I saw that fees into your narrative. Here. According to
bet MGM, there are more bets on Colorado Nebraska than
fourteen NFL games this weekend week one eighty percent of
that money, of course, is on Colorado. Eighty Like this
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is incredible Colorado. Hold on, rob does Colorado? It's legal
to gamble in Colorado?
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Right?
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Ah? That you know when you see the Jets like
Breise Hall and Garrett Wilson and all these bets on
them to like Garrett Wilson Offensive Player of the Year,
like whoa you can legally bet in New York. So
fans of the Jets with Aaron Rodgers are excited. Colorado,
you can legally bet. Everybody's stoked to get in on
the Buffaloes. So I think a lot of that has
to do. Would you agree with the fact that you
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can bet there legally? Where's the state you can't bet? Oh?
I don't know, California. I don't think we're gonna see
everybody backing up the brinks for Caleb Caleb Williams, do you.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Uh no, I mean they should, but they won't.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
That wouldn't that would be wise.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
The thing that I find the most interesting about Colorado
is not just you know, the betting, because betters can
be swayed pretty easily, you know, medium manipulation, things like that.
The thing that I find the most interesting about Colorado
is they're feeling themselves too, like, probably even more so
than Joe public Is. I don't know if you saw
some of the quotes coming out of Boulder, you know,
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Deon Sanders says a'm undisputed earlier on Monday that Travis
Hunter would be a top overall quality pick either in
the NFL, both at wide receiver and defensive back, like
he could go top of the draft in either position.
I disagree with that. I don't know if damn here
anyway anythink Deon Sanders in his prime could have went
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top overall or is a wide receiver coming out of
Florida State. But then you got Shader Sanders telling the
meet and say, hey, what's the difference between playing at
Jackson State and playing at Colorado FBS for his FCS
And He's like, Oh, it's really not that different at all,
you know, other than you know, a couple of defensive
linemen get off blocks faster, but other than that, it's
just guys playing football. It's like, yeah, no, you've you've
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played one game against TCU, who, if memory serves, they
only had three starters from last year's championship team left over,
and you're talking like this is no different than playing
at FBS. Like, I appreciate the excitement. I'm excited about
the story. I'm going to be watching, of course against Nebraska,
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but you gotta pump the brakes a little bit, man
like this. It's only been one game. It's been one game.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
So Rob, I'm looking at the schedule for Colorado. I
just called it up here. They'll they'll beat Colorado State
after Nebraska, but they travel to Oregon. They will be
decided underdogs. The week after that, they host USC so
that's gonna be a brutal back to back. They travel
to your UCLA Bruins October twenty eighth, Halloween weekend. After that,
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they faced Oregon State Oregon States. Very good, folks, they're good.
DJ looked better than the Clemson quarterback, that's for sure.
And they closed the season at Utah and Kyle Winningham
on Thanksgiving weekend. There is no cho I'll just take
I'll shoot my shot. There's no chance that they win
the national time. I will say there's no chance are
in the playoff.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Wait to go out and a limb on that one.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Jason, I mean no chance to win it. I'm telling
you no shot. Like they'll probably beat Nebraska, but I'm
not certain. And you know Matt Rule. Oh, by the way,
decent coach in his time, great coach, is an underdog.
I think he's gonna be motivated. They have extra time
off because they played I think on the Thursday. I'm
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gonna I'm gonna probably bet Nebraska. Probably, we'll see where
this goes. I don't think that's a heavy play. But yeah,
I'm going against your public. Rob will quickly wrap up
with this Rich Paul thing. I gotta be honest. I
saw the clip. Uh Rich Paul went on some podcast
and it's podcast, who oh was it?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah, so everyone's talking slick. I'mnna get with Arena's podcast
these days.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah, people know, Oh, we gotta get some pick up.
I gotta get I gotta get loose and fire the juice.
But for some reason, Rich Paul, this isn't the first
time he's talked about Lebron for Jordan, right, I don't Yeah,
I don't think he is technically PR for Lebron, but
it sounds like he's running PR BRO. What are you
(25:54):
doing talking about Lebron Jordan? Like, I mean, it's easy
to take the bait, right, Steph Curry. One on Gilbert
Reeniz was asking whos the best point guard? He took
the bait. It became an issue. So now Riz Paul,
I didn't love his answer about well, Michael Jordan when
he became the best, who were they comparing him to before?
Like there was no Lebron before Michael to compare him to.
(26:19):
And then it's like, well, Lebron has to deal with
social media twenty four to seven, And I agree, I
thought his point was a little clumsy on that, but
it just comes off. I hate to say this because
I do like Lebron and I do think he's the
greatest of all time. It comes off like Lebron's trying
some type of PR campaign to get people thinking he's
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the goat. Those never work. I don't, at least Robin
my recollection that stuff doesn't really work. Now I know that.
I forget which politician said it, but it was like,
never underestimate the stupidity of the American public. And I'm
sure there's a lot of people who are gonna lap
this up and be like, oh, Rich Paul, he's spot on.
(27:04):
But it's just I can see through it, and it's like, bro,
you gotta isn't either one dating Adele? Or is that
Maverick Carter?
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Now that's Rich Paul.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Oh it is okay, you're dating Adele, You've got a
multimillion dollar company, you're running with Lebron, You're doing great.
What are we doing here? There's no win. You're not
gonna be able to convince people. That'd be like me
trying to convince someone saying I think that the candidate
that we need to get behind in the Republican Party
(27:33):
is Susie Q. We do not want. I need to
convert the DeSantis people to Susieq. I need to convert
the Trump people. I need to convert the vivek Rama Swamanini,
that guy, I need to convert his people. I need
to convert you guys to Susie because that's where the
actions at. You cannot do that. People these days refuse
to come off positions. Now you know this podcast rob me.
(27:57):
We know, hey, new information, and I gotta change. Like,
I don't think the general public. They want to be
with their tribe. They want to be Hey, I'm with
the Jordan guys. Yeah, we will defend forever. Look at
all the teammates Lebron had that were all NBA. Oh,
Michael Jordan didn't have any, and they just keep to
their talking points. It's just like politics, and it's frustrating.
(28:20):
So I try not to get dragged into it. For
the longest time, I got it. I thought magic was
the goat. Obviously Michael Jordan passes it. And then there
was Jordan was the greatest of all time, and then
Lebron's creep and Lebron's creep and I said, oh, and
I said her a video for Fox. If Lebron goes
to the Lakers and he wins another title, basically anywhere
(28:40):
he goes, he's the system. He wins, title doesn't matter,
the coach doesn't matter, the teammates he wins. That's the
goat for me, and he won the title. I know
it was the bubble. So people want to push back
Lakers got to the conference finals after that, like Denver
got to the Bubble Conference finals, Denver got to the
won the championship, like the Bubble was real, guys, And
I don't know, I just rob I can't get worked
(29:01):
up about this. I just don't love the idea of
Rich Paul feeling the need to do this.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah, it's it's it's not the best look, right, especially
when you consider and he's not the only one doing this,
by the way, like there's been, as you mentioned, a
concerted effort by Lebron James himself and some Lebron James
sympathizers in the media to really push you know, his narrative.
And that's fine, Like I understand the game, like I've
(29:29):
been in sports media over a decade, so I know this.
I know the sausage gets made right. My only real
issue with the Rich Paul thing, and we've talked about that,
you mentioned it is his rationale for calling for why
Lebron is the goat and why his is his horns
are dipped in platinum and MJ's are dipped in gold.
You know, like that that was as big.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I don't understand that.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
I didn't that was I mean, I understand what he
was saying. It was just like a weird thing to say.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
What are Steph Curry's what are his horns?
Speaker 2 (29:59):
What is he like? Silver?
Speaker 1 (30:02):
What? Shack? It's just dumb, right, So, but the problem
is he's been working on that for a while.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Right, you can tell he's been work shocking that idea.
But like you know, you brought it up. His reason was, oh,
Lebron came up in the social media era and he
didn't have anywhere to be compared to. And if that's
your argument, that's a really really weak argument. Like, I
know you have Lebron as the greatest, and you have
reasons which are even if I disagree with you, which
(30:29):
I do, your point about him. You know, three different franchises,
winning championships, going to the finals half of his NBA career.
No matter where he goes, team is a contender. All
the longevity stats are in his favor right, first and
scoring fourth and assists. Only player to even be in
the top ten in both of those categories. He averages
twenty five, six and six and nineteen seasons. Next closest
(30:50):
guys at nine. Right, you know, the all the all
NBA teams all the All Star teams like it's it's
it's at some point the NBA record book is going
to say will chamber and Lebron James present the NBA
because their names are just going to be up and
down the NBA record book. So you could make a case,
and whether I agree or discrete, you could make a
strong argument for Lebron being the best player of all time,
(31:12):
but him having to come up during the first take
undisputed era of sports media, or you know, there was
no one to compare, you know, Lebron and Jordan. He
had a fight that goes to Jordan's Yeah, like Larry
Bird and Magic Johnson didn't exist, like Kareem never existed,
Like Wilt Chamberlin and all his staff never existed. Like
(31:33):
just because there was more coverage now doesn't mean you
can just omit certain things in history to fit your narrative.
And that's that was my issue with Rich Paul. It's
like you can make an argument without having to play
mental gymnastics, you know what I mean. I didn't. I
didn't like that.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah, So and again we're we're deep into the pod here.
We don't need to go longer. I just not only
is wherever Lebron goes, and he being the system and winning.
But Rob, this idea, you know, the cross era comparisons
are so difficult. And I love the eighties NBA. That
was my favorite era of all time until you know,
(32:14):
the twenty tens arrived and Steph Curry and Lebron set
the league on fire and went to the finals every
year practically against each other. It was unbelievable. And then
you start drilling down, Rob, and you say, okay, So
the nineteen eighties had, like you know, in nineteen eighty six,
it was like twenty three teams in the league. And
I think I joked on this pod that there are
(32:37):
more Attennacumpo brothers in the NBA right now than there
were international players in like nineteen eighty six when Jordan
was like starting his MVP rise, and I know there
was some Drasen Petrovic and Vlade Divac and okay, I
get a couple good ones. There are MVP international players
dominating the NBA now, Giannis Luca Joker, I'm gonna put
(33:03):
I know Embiid is considered you know, international, but he
went to Kansas, So I if you went to college
in the US. I can't totally call you an international
Is that fair? Like alajo One went to Houston, we
don't consider him an international player, right, Jokic didn't play
in college, he's an international player.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Rob?
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Would you agree that we could just agree to that, Rob?
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Or no? Uh I I could sympathize that. I mean,
Alijo play for Team USA, so it's hard to call you.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, come on, yeah, yeah, that's perfect. I didn't even
think of that. And it's like the era and I'm
not pooh pooing it. By the way, Rob, are you
watching Winning Time on HBO?
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
It is one of the best notions. I mean, I
love it. It is the Magic Riley stuff. The West
is it Westhead or West Paul? I forget which west Head?
The guy they just bounced who's played by Jason Jason Siegel,
Jason Siegel. He's all, I like that guy, but like,
(34:02):
I love the eighties and seeing this, like you forget,
I forgot. Magic demanded a trade. Steph Curry Ever demanded trade.
Lebron Ever demanded trade like Magic openly to the media
was like, I'm demanding a trade. It's me or the
coach some diva action from Magic I forgot. I was
like too, I was a kid, what do I know?
But like, I just feel like the league as a
(34:23):
whole right now is just so much stronger than the
league back then. And I know people are going to say, well,
we had eing A A. Lajahwan and David Robinson and okay, great, Yeah,
there were great players, the great players in every era.
But rob I think you're with me. The players right
now are far and away better than they were in
(34:44):
the eighties and nineties. Would you would you agree with that?
Or no? I know you're a big Kobe guy. Kobe's
closer to this era than the eighties. No, hes like
what so oh so the draft was Kobe by the way,
ode in ninety six, but he didn't really become Kobe
until like two thousand.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Right right right, the first championship is when you really
took off. Yes, the players today are better than they
have ever been, bigger, stronger, faster, more skilled. Anybody who is
objective can see that, and I think talent exactly exactly.
I think I think the where people take that as
like an insult is because they'll point to like the
(35:21):
top of the top. You'll say, oh, well, in the
eighties they had Bird and Magic and Kareem and the
nineties at Jordan and you know Shack, and you can
play that game with any decade. Right the top is
the best players are going to be the best players
no matter where you drop them. If you put Lebron
in the seventies, put Steph in the eighties, like it's
they're always going to be great. Where you see Now,
what I think that you touched it on is because
(35:41):
of the influence of international basketball, just the interest level
in basketball period, there's going to be a higher talent
pool because there's more people who are interested are interested
in it, and I think that's yes. Today's players as
a whole, as a collective, you know, from the first
man to the fifteenth man, up and down the roster,
(36:02):
are better than they were. Definitely in the nineties and
two thousand, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
So let me ask you, a lot of people are
positioning to hate Jason. Remember Clyde Drexler, you leave him
off the talk of like amazing players in that era,
Like all right, how many MVPs for Clyde Drexler, Rob zero?
How many finals for Clyd Drexler? Did you? How many
you win. Oh zero, I don't have first team All
(36:30):
NBAS off the top of my head, but I'm gonna
go ahead and guess it's not many. Who do you
think had a better career? Clyde Drexler or Jerk.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Davitski, Oh, Dirk Davitski.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Yeah, I don't even thinks close, right, And in.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
The middle of pulling up his bio for Clyd Drexler
and want to make sure to.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Okay, yeah, pull okay, how many first Team All NBAS.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
For Clyde one? Two, second team two thirteen?
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Dirk has an MVP, so he was the best player
in the league. But like my point is, I mean
the guys will send me articles. Clyde Drexler was considered
a peer of Mike. It was on the same line
as Michael Jordan. Of course, Jordan took that as a
personal insult and like that's when he had the six
threes in it the shrug. Okay, cool, I got it.
But like, what is Clydedrexeler right now? I'm gonna say
(37:19):
a name, but you're gonna hate it. My guy Zach Lavine.
Like I know, Zach Lavine hasn't been first team All NBA.
But so who's like a comp for like a Clyde Drexler,
who apparently in the early nineties was the man. I
think he went to two finals they lost to the
Pistons and Jordan Uh.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I mean, I guess right now what Jason Tatum just
in terms of accomplishments, No, in terms of accomplishments, right.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Like that two or three times first Team All NBA.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, but I mean Tatum is still halfway through his prime.
So you're saying the first half of Jason Tatum's prime
is the entire career of Clyde Drexler.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Yeah, is there a guard Weekend? I mean, I know
you don't want to hear Levine. He was on the
Olympic team.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
He was really good.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Damian Lillard, Damian Lillard and CRIDs Rexler. I think Lillard's
considered the greatest Portland troublizer of all time.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
No, yeah, he yes, Yes, that's a tough one. Clyde
Drexler is like a unique Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Like space, How good is Clyde? I don't know, And
I'm sure there's a lot of young kids who are
like twenty six listening. It's like, who the hell is
Clyde Rexler. But it's like, it's really tough with the
eighties because we think some of these guys were amazing,
and then you drill down a little, you're like, oh,
this guy was good.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
But like I read somewhere that Karl Malone and John
Stockton combined have a losing winning percentage in the playoffs. No,
I have to fact check that, but I think I
saw that and I was like, wow.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
That's a losing record in the post.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah, yes, holy cow.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
I mean, listen, by the way, those jazz teams that
Jordan beat, it was like Carl and Stockton, and then
after that it was like Jeff Hornaseck Byron Russell. I mean,
are those guys even cracking the rotation of any of
the Curry teams maybe the one that lost in the
(39:10):
playoffs for the Lakers this year, but like no team
of Curries that went to the finals is Byron Russell starting.
I don't even know if he's top seven horn a Seck.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Like again, it's again, if you really want to go
down this rabbit hole, I was We talked about this,
Actually it wasn't with you. It was with one of
the producers, Josh, before we recorded the podcast. I believe
we talk to him about it. I was watching NBA
TV and they showed a replay of Lakers Celtics Game
seven of the twenty ten finals.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Oh go and then the ugly.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah, when you get beyond like the top of the
Kobe and Powe and the big three in Boston, and
you see the Lakers the rest of their roster, it's
like Luke Walton, Josh Powell getting minutes, Jordan far Sasha
Vuja Chichen. It's like none of these would have played
in those cas Warriors finals at all. They wouldn't have
got off the bench.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
And yeah, shit, was Shannon Brown on those Lakers teams?
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Yes he was. He was a skywalker, Yes, Shannon Brown
who could dunk and then not much else.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
But yes, yeah, he didn't have much in his bag. Anyways,
we just spent ten minutes on the NBA where we
shouldn't have. But Rob loves it. I like the sparring.
It's always fun. Anyways, we'll be back tomorrow. We're dabbling
with guest ideas, I think college football, and then of
course on Friday, we will have mister Baker, the great
NFL prognosticator. If you missed ta's interview yesterday. I implore
(40:38):
you to go listen to this phenomenal if you're betting
or doing Fantasy Week one, we're out, see you tomorrow
The volume. This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What
is up, Straight firefam, It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight Fire
for Wednesday, September sixth, first week of NFL, and the
(00:24):
bodies are dropping like flies. Oh my gosh, little did
I think there would be so many instrumental NFL players
going down for Week one. It's it's brutal, folks. If
you had your fantasy draft I've had several of them
and you got Cooper Cup, you got problems. If you
had your fantasy draft and you have Travis kelce you
might have major problems. We'll talk about the Kelsey situation,
(00:45):
the Cooper Cup. We'll get into that. Rich Paul, We'll
do a quick little NBA thing because rob G's back,
and we got I know, Robb G loves NBA segments
and it's like Lebron, Rich Paul, Michael Jordan. I mean, listen,
it's September. I know we're in football mode. We'll do
a little more Dion Sanders, but we have to start
with Travis kelcey and the huge news that broke Tuesday
(01:05):
mid you know, maybe two pm ish Eastern Standard time.
Travis kelce practicing with the Chiefs ahead of Thursday night
Football's season opening matchup Lions at Case and Travis Kelcey
suffers a hyper extended knee. Whatever that means. Andy Reid
has said his availability for the opener is uncertain TBD
(01:25):
for Travis kelce Well, you know, people could speculate and
have opinions all they want. Let's trust the market. This
line was six and a half Chiefs. It instantly went
down to six and then at some of the respected shops.
I've talked to you guys about it. I downloaded this
app and they're not paying me, so I shouldn't really
promote them. It's called Bett Stamp. And you could just
go ahead and pick the best sports books to monitor
(01:48):
minute by minute, hour by hour. And I have the
three or the two biggest ones are Bet Chris and
the Super Book. Those are the two big ones. And
you have like Caesar's MGM and FanDuel and whatever. And
you can see where the lines are. Will super Book
one of the sharpest because they take the big bets
went down to five a point and a half on
the Travis Kelcey news. Now, some of that has to
(02:09):
do with the Chris Jones factor. That Chris Jones. He
ain't playing. Even if they come to a deal right now,
at this very juncture, Chris Jones signs with the Chiefs,
it's all good. He's not playing. He hasn't played any preseason,
hasn't been any staff. You can't rush him back and
have him suffer some kind of soft tissue injury. You
can't have that with Chris Jones. So you're just gonna
be down your best run stopper. And if you look
(02:30):
around on the internet, the splits for the Chiefs with him,
without Chris Jones, they're bad. Like, yeah, they got some
good defenders, a couple good cornerbacks. I like Bolton, but
they're not gonna be able to stop the run. And
if you look at Dan Campbell, he likes to run
the football. They sign Montgomery from the Bears. They drafted Gibbs,
who's kind of a dual threat, a lot of pass catching.
(02:52):
I think this could be a slow down game. I
know everybody's saying points and points and that probably will happen,
But there is a world where Detroit says, you know what,
we're just gonna ball control, attack and you know, death
by a thousand. Montgomery's short yardage games, and then all
of a sudden, you've got the defense sucked in to
stop the run and Amara saying Brown is hitting deep
(03:12):
and this could be a problem for the Chiefs, and
rob we haven't really talked about it because the Chiefs
largely are immune to everything. Okay, Kansas City essentially loses
Tyreek Hill, best receiver in football, and they don't miss
a beat. Their offensive numbers improve and they win the
Super Bowl. Okay, so they're immune to seemingly everything. They
(03:34):
lose Honey Badger and no big deal. We lost Honey Badger,
really good secondary player, he was excellent with them. Didn't matter.
They lose their two starting tackles and nobody's batting an
eye because it's Patrick Mahomes. Well, now you've got no
Chris Jones and the Travis Kelcey situation. Folks like, are
(03:54):
we giving too much credit to Andy Reid off a bye? Well,
first game of the season, Patrick Mahomes, I saw a
breakdown for Pro Football Focus. Patrick Mahomes is literally the
best Week one quarterback in the history of football because
he's absolutely lit up everybody in a small sample size
of what five games, like Patrick Mahomes crushes everyone. And
(04:17):
even if he's throwing a sky Moore and who is it?
Is it Noah Fan or no, I'm sorry, Noah Gray
is the backup tight end. He's throwing a sky Moore
and mvs like Jerrick McKinnon, Isaiah Pacheco, Like that's the
scope position players. If you look at them, remove Kelsey,
what they bring to the table now is inferiors to
(04:38):
an Alliance. It's inferior to a lot of teams. It'd
probably be below average in the NFL. And yet everybody
still just believes it's read, it's Mahomes, They're going to
be fine. I think there was a stat where Andy
Reid had not lost a September game with Patrick Mahomes
in many, many years, and it's like they're just immune
to everything. Nothing gets touth Kansas City. Well, I don't know, folks.
(04:58):
I'll admit I took a nibble Detroit to win money
Line plus two forty three and then I saw it
go down quickly and like the hour after that on Tuesday,
and I gotta be honest, you look at this Chargers roster.
I'm reading reports that J. C. Jackson, who suffered that
gruesome busted kneecap J C. Jackson might play and start
against the Dolphins. I'm like, what, how is that possible?
(05:19):
And it's I don't know, Rob. You look at his Chargers.
I think there's a world where Denver starts out hot.
They could go three and one to start the season.
They should go to and other their favor in the
first two games at home, and Casey's got this tough
one against Detroit. The Kelsey you know, is Travis Kelcey
out a week? Is he out two or four weeks?
(05:39):
And like, I like Sky Moore as much as the
next guy. I like this Rashid Rice I think is
his name, the young kid they drafted. But coun Patrick
Mahomes turn like this mediocre group of guys into superstars
like that quickly with two new tackles. I don't know, Rob.
I'm not saying your Raiders are gonna come win the
division or anything crazy like that, but it feels like
(06:02):
a lot is happening with Kansas City, and I might
take a flyer on the Chargers to win the division
just for fun, I do believe. To be clear, for me,
the Chargers are the biggest boom Bus team in the league.
The Chargers will be in the Super Bowl, or they
will be eight and nine miss the playoffs and they
fire their coach and bringing Jim Harble. One of those
(06:22):
two things happened with the Charger I don't see like
a first round exit. Like there's just too much talent
for them to screw this up unless Brandon Dally messes
it up. But as for the Chiefs, I'm not gonna
lie Rob.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
I'm a little concerned, yeah, and rightfully so. I mean, well,
first off, as it relates to this specific game, I
will go big picture Chiefs in a minute. There's a
lot of hype surrounding these Detroit Lions. Right They've been
the most bet team both in terms of total handle
and in total bets at bet MGM to make the
Super Bowl out of the NFC, more than the Eagles,
(06:53):
more than the Niners, more than the Cowboys. People are
being with the Lions corn Is Caesar Sportsbook. They have
I mentioned the most bets to win the NFC, the
most bets to win the NFC North, the most bets
to have Coach of the Year, the most bets to
have offensive Rookie of the Year, the most bets to
have defensive Player of the Year, like everybody is betting
on the Detroit Lions. We are going to find out very,
(07:15):
very very quickly if all of this offseason hype is legitimate.
Because you just mentioned it, Kansas City, for all of
their success recently, a case can be made that they
are a more established, a steroided up version of the
(07:36):
Rams team that won a Super Bowl with Matthew Stafford.
Because this roster is unbelievably top heavy. It's Patrick Mahomes,
it's Chris Jones, it's Travis Kelcey. A huge drop off
maybe four or five. Really, you mentioned I like Nick Bolton,
a lot of think is a good defensive player. They
(07:57):
got some good offensive lineman. And then what you're banking
on a lot of unproven guys who haven't done a
whole heck of a lot at this level yet individually
as a team, of course they have because Patrick Mahomes
is that special. Him and Andy Reid and Chris Jones
and Travis kelce they can make you know, lemonades out
of chicken shit, like they are that good. And so
(08:20):
you're banking on Patrick Mahomes being able to overcome for
my money minus Travis Kelcey is probably a bottom third
group of skill positions in the NFL. I mean, there's
nobody established in that group. People are optimistic about Sky Moore,
Captain Hivey, Fantasy League, that's great. MVS is you know,
very boom or bust. Kadarius Tony, the idea of Kadarius
(08:43):
Tony is fantastic, but the problem is he's always hurt,
so you don't know if he's actually good or not.
This track, this Travis Kelce thing, is so interesting on
so many levels because, as you mentioned it, what does
it mean for them in the AFC West? What does
it that mean for them in the AFC. The AFC
as a whole is a juggernaut. There's only one by
(09:04):
a week to go around. If you start off the season,
but the Travis Kelz misses two or three games one and
two or zero to three because they don't have any
other legitimate go to weapons on offense, then can you
just count you know, the first seat, say bye bye
to that immediately, Like can you afford to start off
slowe the AFC? I don't think so. So that's number one.
(09:26):
The other one, this is something that we didn't even
talk about before we started recording but if I'm Travis Kelz,
I am livid right now as we've recorded this podcast,
not only because of the injury, like that sucks. They
don't wants to get hurt. I understand that. But he is,
without a doubt their most important offensive weapon and has been,
(09:50):
you know, outside of the quarterback since he's been there
seven straight seasons. Over one thousand yards and NFL record
for tight ends last season, leads the team in both
receptions and receiving yards one hundred ten and three and
thirty eight and yet, according to my research, doesn't have
any more guaranteed money on his contract. Is currently I believe,
(10:10):
the fourth highest paid tight end in football, and he
has gone on a record at least once. The Vanity
Affair is saying that he knows he's underpaid and that
he sometimes feels like he's being taken advantage of. So
you're giving up money, you're giving up security with a
guarantee contract, so you're the best offensive weapon that they have,
(10:31):
right and you're doing that with the intention of saying, Hey,
I'm giving up I'm taking less so that we can
surround me with high end talent so that in the
event I do hyper extend my knee, or I sprain
my ankle, or I separate my shold, whatever, something that's
maybe not season ending, but it could take you out
a couple of weeks so that we can weather the
storm until I get back. And now we're talking about
(10:56):
Sky Moore, Isaiyah Pa Checko, the ghost of Kadarius Tony, Like,
how pissed must you must be that you're doing all
these sacrificing for the franchise. Your second most important player,
Chris Jones is not even there right now. He's gonna
hold out to mid season, he says. And now you
go into the season with zero established weapons on the
(11:19):
outside because Kelsey's hurt. Not great, It's not good at all.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Now, No, you did bring up an interesting point. You know,
Dan Campbell is not perceived as a great coach. Right,
we agree the offensive coordinator sharp, We like the Aiden
Hutchison pickup defense was still leaky last year. But even
with all these Chiefs problems, Let's be realistic, Rob, even
(11:47):
with all these issues, top heavy team. I like the
Rams comparison that you had. You know, like, I haven't
heard anybody say that I might have to I might
have to drive that into the ground, Like, I like that.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
That's good. Might see it on the herd coming up?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, I might see that on the herd. But it's
weird because I still can't get over Andy Reid against
Dan Campbell. What is that? Like Mike Tyson against Mike Spinks.
Remember how it was like a thirty second fight, Like
Andy Reid Versusdan? Like, who are you backing in that?
And so part of me thinks, like Reid and Mahomes
will figure this out. But how much can we just
(12:19):
rely on that? Oh, they'll figure those two will figure
it out. And I just start to wonder, like, Okay,
let's say the Lions pull the upset. Well, guess who
they got in Week two? The Chiefs maybe with no Kelsey.
You know, you said it could be anywhere from a
one to three week injury Jacksonville rematch from the AFC playoffs,
And that was closer than a lot of people thought.
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Jacks played them twice last year. A lot of people
think Trevor Lawrence makes the jump to light speed this
season year two with Peterson, they ad Calvin Ridley. I mean,
let's be real, the Jags have better scale position players
with Ridley and Kirk and ETN. They have better scope
position players right now than the Chiefs do. There's no
doubt about that. Evan ingram over over Noah whatever his
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name is. I think Noah Gray. I think there is
a possibility, Rob, that the Chiefs could could could maybe
start oh to two, that's how big of a deal
Kelsey is. Week three will give them the winning ains
the Bears, well, you know who they have. In week
four they travel to New York for a date with
Aaron Rodgers and the Jets. And if Chris Jones still
a back, Let's say Kelsey's not one hundred percent, but
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you know he's gonna go. That's a big time game.
That is a Sunday night football game. I mean goodness,
that's gonna be a tough ticket in Gotham. And now
it's like one and two, you will give him the
win over the Bears Kansas City Jets changing of the guard.
Like that's why, Rob, when we do these offseason breakdowns
of like, oh, well, this team looks amazing and look
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at their schedule. They get this here and this, like
you could kind of toss that out the window. I mean,
Bosa's not signed in San Franz. Maybe that changes here
in the next twenty four hours. But he's not signed.
Chris Jones not signed. All of a sudden, did you
say this George Kittle news, George Kittle is hurt and
may not play Week one. It's like, damn rock Pertty's
coming back face. The Steelers are no Kiddle, Like, I
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know they still have Debo and c Mac, but George
Kittle's really really good, excellent blocker. And then you start like,
look at around the league in these injuries, I mean,
Denver wide receiver rooms being been gutted, like injuries every
Terry mclaurin's probably not gonna go. Cooper Cup probably not
gonna play in Week one, and of course I kept
him in my fantasy league. I'm so such an idiot.
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I did not think it was as bad. And we
had the draft last week, and you know it was like, oh,
Cooper Cup's not one hundred percent, but it's Cooper Cup.
He's gonna be fine. He was hurt all last year.
He can't be hurt again. Now. It's like, whoa, what
are the Rams gonna do. It's like Matt Stafford working
with two two out well and Van Jefferson and the
kid from Byu who, by the way, I'm hearing through
Rams people that he could be a breakout guy. That
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Stafford's vibing with him. So if you're looking for a
deep flyer, you know, take that kid from BYU who
I think the number three receiver this week. But Seattle's
gonna score, The Rams are gonna have to throw, and
if there's no Cooper cups somebody, he's gonna have to
catch passes. Just file it away. But I don't know
this Chris Jones thing, this Travis Kelce thing rob not
great news for the Chiefs heading into the can I
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call it a Titanic clash with the Lions. It's week one,
of course it's Titanic.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
According to the betters. It's the Super Bowl preview, you know,
so he's got to be prepared for that. And I
must say full disclosure of any of the things I'm
hating on the Chiefs. My Super Bowl pick is Chiefs
over Niners. And you just brought up four key players
on those two rosters.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Wait wait, do you have a Chiefs Niners rematch?
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (15:30):
From like three years ago?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Okay, yes, So I'm not feeling good either about this America.
Like no Chris Jones, no Travis Kelce, no George Kittle,
and no Nick Boson. No, I'm not feeling great about
my preseason super Bowl pick right now.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
It's weird just hearing you say that I haven't. I
don't think I've made a Super Bowl pick. I think
mostly because I'm, like, you know, doing the fantasy and
the gambling in the week to week stuff. It's tough
to project out.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
And you probably have so many bets for futures, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
It's yeah, yeah, it's tough to like keep tracking. But
if you said, Jay, you've got to pick up two,
I guess I would go Bengals Eagles and my backup
Super Bowl would be Chargers.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Eagles. Okay, can I just say quickly before we move
on to something else. I published my preseason division picks,
and you know things like that, me and friend of
the show Peter King have the exact same seven teams
in the AFC, But more importantly, myself and Peter King,
the legend the sharpest football mine in America, also has
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the Jacksonville Jaguars as the one seat in the AFC.
Like I do.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
That is bold?
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Now makes me feel smart. So like if Peter King
says that I feel good.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I hear that they got don't They have an offensive
line suspension and then they've got another issue with the
other tackle.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
And they also have a very light schedule, similar to
the New Orleans Saints where we talked about them last
week on a couple weeks ago on the Pod. Very
light schedule for Jacksonville.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Let's move quickly to college football. We did a lot
on Deon Sanders and folks a peek behind the curtain.
Like I knew the Deon Sanders thing was big, but
when I talked about Dion on the Herd and they
make it, made me some video from what I said,
and they put it online and it did crazy numbers
on Instagram. I'm like, what's going on? They were like,
look at the numbers on TikTok. I'm like, I'm not
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really on TikTok, but I need a TikTok presence now,
I'm told. And the numbers were massive, and I was like, Wow,
people are obsessed with Dion. Now look at the gambling.
Are you ready for this? So we talked about it.
Nebraska was a seven and a half point favorite in
Colorado before last weekend's games. It has now moved to
Colorado favor by three, But it doesn't stop there. Various
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betting websites are now saying and Darren Rovel has tweeted
out that one sports book let me get the exact
name here, but one sports book said that the number
one bet to win the National Title is Colorado. What
who's lighting money on fire betting Colorado to win the Natty?
(18:07):
The most bets to win the Heisman? This is at DraftKings,
Travis Hunter and Shoulder Sanders are people? Are people dumb?
Are you really betting them to win the Heisman Trophy?
Off one week? And Colorado to win the National Title?
Have you looked at the schedule? I mean, this is insanity,
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rob This has the feel of like the Memestock era
during COVID, where people were just like, oh my gosh,
we gotta get bed bath and body what was it?
Bed bath and beyond? We gotta get that to the
moon and we gotta get an AMC theater. I've already
forgotten what the game stock game stop. People were freaking
out and unloading and you're like, what are we doing here?
(18:51):
The problem is you could sell those stocks. You can't
sell your tickets here. Yeah, I mean, nobody's buying any
of these. That that's lunacy shoulder. Sanders has one five
hundred yard game, one of the greatest games in school history,
and you're betting him to win the Natty and the Heisman.
I mean, Rob, this has gotten a little out of
control now. As if that wasn't enough, We had this
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guy on here, Dave Mason a bet Online we had
him on last season. He says he's never seen anything
like the Colorado Action. Saturday's game is on pace to
be the biggest bet college football regular season game in
the history of bet online. Not an SEC game, not
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a massive Michigan Ohio State game, Colorado Nebraska there is
According to Dave Mason bet Online, there is now more
cash on Colorado spread than the spread of all thirty
two NFL teams. Rob, if this isn't meme, stop, this
is everybody wanting a piece of Dion, and I gotta
get on board. I love Dion's story and were not
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coming we hear, I mean, I kind of like it.
It sounds good. Dion's a great he's a great Carnival Barker,
pretty good coach. And the other one was, uh, there
was another great line that Dion had. I mean, I
had like fifty of them, because he's he's just a
great public speaker, but he he's got people irrational and folks,
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I think, I'm sorry. I know the audience isn't gonna
love this. The only way to bet Colorado Nebraska is
to take Nebraska. As we get closer to kickoff this,
we'll see how far If it hits like four. If
it's four, we're talking about a eleven point swing on
the line. That's unforeseen, that does not happen. So just
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think about it. Joe Public shoveling all his money on Colorado.
Joey college kid, taking the money his parents gave him
to spend maybe, you know, for the for the month.
He's dumping all that on Shadeur Sanders and Travis Hunter,
two really good players, folks. I'm just gonna preach some
caution now. I know. Rob loves to throw caution into
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the wind. He's you know, the guy's spending money like
it's water. I've been to Disney once in like the
last three years. This guy goes every month and it's
like it was super expensive. But Rob, Colorado Buffaloes. They're
taking all the bets, all the money everybody wants in
on the actions. Are you getting in on this?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I personally am not. But there was another nugget that
I saw that fees into your narrative. Here. According to
bet MGM, there are more bets on Colorado Nebraska than
fourteen NFL games this weekend week one eighty percent of
that money, of course, is on Colorado. Eighty Like this
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is incredible Colorado. Hold on, rob does Colorado? It's legal
to gamble in Colorado?
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Right?
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Ah? That you know when you see the Jets like
Breise Hall and Garrett Wilson and all these bets on
them to like Garrett Wilson Offensive Player of the Year,
like whoa you can legally bet in New York. So
fans of the Jets with Aaron Rodgers are excited. Colorado,
you can legally bet. Everybody's stoked to get in on
the Buffaloes. So I think a lot of that has
to do. Would you agree with the fact that you
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can bet there legally? Where's the state you can't bet? Oh?
I don't know, California. I don't think we're gonna see
everybody backing up the brinks for Caleb Caleb Williams, do you.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Uh no, I mean they should, but they won't.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
That wouldn't that would be wise.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
The thing that I find the most interesting about Colorado
is not just you know, the betting, because betters can
be swayed pretty easily, you know, medium manipulation, things like that.
The thing that I find the most interesting about Colorado
is they're feeling themselves too, like, probably even more so
than Joe public Is. I don't know if you saw
some of the quotes coming out of Boulder, you know,
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Deon Sanders says a'm undisputed earlier on Monday that Travis
Hunter would be a top overall quality pick either in
the NFL, both at wide receiver and defensive back, like
he could go top of the draft in either position.
I disagree with that. I don't know if damn here
anyway anythink Deon Sanders in his prime could have went
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top overall or is a wide receiver coming out of
Florida State. But then you got Shader Sanders telling the
meet and say, hey, what's the difference between playing at
Jackson State and playing at Colorado FBS for his FCS
And He's like, Oh, it's really not that different at all,
you know, other than you know, a couple of defensive
linemen get off blocks faster, but other than that, it's
just guys playing football. It's like, yeah, no, you've you've
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played one game against TCU, who, if memory serves, they
only had three starters from last year's championship team left over,
and you're talking like this is no different than playing
at FBS. Like, I appreciate the excitement. I'm excited about
the story. I'm going to be watching, of course against Nebraska,
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but you gotta pump the brakes a little bit, man
like this. It's only been one game. It's been one game.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
So Rob, I'm looking at the schedule for Colorado. I
just called it up here. They'll they'll beat Colorado State
after Nebraska, but they travel to Oregon. They will be
decided underdogs. The week after that, they host USC so
that's gonna be a brutal back to back. They travel
to your UCLA Bruins October twenty eighth, Halloween weekend. After that,
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they faced Oregon State Oregon States. Very good, folks, they're good.
DJ looked better than the Clemson quarterback, that's for sure.
And they closed the season at Utah and Kyle Winningham
on Thanksgiving weekend. There is no cho I'll just take
I'll shoot my shot. There's no chance that they win
the national time. I will say there's no chance are
in the playoff.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Wait to go out and a limb on that one.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Jason, I mean no chance to win it. I'm telling
you no shot. Like they'll probably beat Nebraska, but I'm
not certain. And you know Matt Rule. Oh, by the way,
decent coach in his time, great coach, is an underdog.
I think he's gonna be motivated. They have extra time
off because they played I think on the Thursday. I'm
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gonna I'm gonna probably bet Nebraska. Probably, we'll see where
this goes. I don't think that's a heavy play. But yeah,
I'm going against your public. Rob will quickly wrap up
with this Rich Paul thing. I gotta be honest. I
saw the clip. Uh Rich Paul went on some podcast
and it's podcast, who oh was it?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah, so everyone's talking slick. I'mnna get with Arena's podcast
these days.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah, people know, Oh, we gotta get some pick up.
I gotta get I gotta get loose and fire the juice.
But for some reason, Rich Paul, this isn't the first
time he's talked about Lebron for Jordan, right, I don't Yeah,
I don't think he is technically PR for Lebron, but
it sounds like he's running PR BRO. What are you
(25:54):
doing talking about Lebron Jordan? Like, I mean, it's easy
to take the bait, right, Steph Curry. One on Gilbert
Reeniz was asking whos the best point guard? He took
the bait. It became an issue. So now Riz Paul,
I didn't love his answer about well, Michael Jordan when
he became the best, who were they comparing him to before?
Like there was no Lebron before Michael to compare him to.
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And then it's like, well, Lebron has to deal with
social media twenty four to seven, And I agree, I
thought his point was a little clumsy on that, but
it just comes off. I hate to say this because
I do like Lebron and I do think he's the
greatest of all time. It comes off like Lebron's trying
some type of PR campaign to get people thinking he's
(26:42):
the goat. Those never work. I don't, at least Robin
my recollection that stuff doesn't really work. Now I know that.
I forget which politician said it, but it was like,
never underestimate the stupidity of the American public. And I'm
sure there's a lot of people who are gonna lap
this up and be like, oh, Rich Paul, he's spot on.
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But it's just I can see through it, and it's like, bro,
you gotta isn't either one dating Adele? Or is that
Maverick Carter?
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Now that's Rich Paul.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Oh it is okay, you're dating Adele, You've got a
multimillion dollar company, you're running with Lebron, You're doing great.
What are we doing here? There's no win. You're not
gonna be able to convince people. That'd be like me
trying to convince someone saying I think that the candidate
that we need to get behind in the Republican Party
(27:33):
is Susie Q. We do not want. I need to
convert the DeSantis people to Susieq. I need to convert
the Trump people. I need to convert the vivek Rama Swamanini,
that guy, I need to convert his people. I need
to convert you guys to Susie because that's where the
actions at. You cannot do that. People these days refuse
to come off positions. Now you know this podcast rob me.
(27:57):
We know, hey, new information, and I gotta change. Like,
I don't think the general public. They want to be
with their tribe. They want to be Hey, I'm with
the Jordan guys. Yeah, we will defend forever. Look at
all the teammates Lebron had that were all NBA. Oh,
Michael Jordan didn't have any, and they just keep to
their talking points. It's just like politics, and it's frustrating.
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So I try not to get dragged into it. For
the longest time, I got it. I thought magic was
the goat. Obviously Michael Jordan passes it. And then there
was Jordan was the greatest of all time, and then
Lebron's creep and Lebron's creep and I said, oh, and
I said her a video for Fox. If Lebron goes
to the Lakers and he wins another title, basically anywhere
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he goes, he's the system. He wins, title doesn't matter,
the coach doesn't matter, the teammates he wins. That's the
goat for me, and he won the title. I know
it was the bubble. So people want to push back
Lakers got to the conference finals after that, like Denver
got to the Bubble Conference finals, Denver got to the
won the championship, like the Bubble was real, guys, And
I don't know, I just rob I can't get worked
(29:01):
up about this. I just don't love the idea of
Rich Paul feeling the need to do this.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah, it's it's it's not the best look, right, especially
when you consider and he's not the only one doing this,
by the way, like there's been, as you mentioned, a
concerted effort by Lebron James himself and some Lebron James
sympathizers in the media to really push you know, his narrative.
And that's fine, Like I understand the game, like I've
(29:29):
been in sports media over a decade, so I know this.
I know the sausage gets made right. My only real
issue with the Rich Paul thing, and we've talked about that,
you mentioned it is his rationale for calling for why
Lebron is the goat and why his is his horns
are dipped in platinum and MJ's are dipped in gold.
You know, like that that was as big.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I don't understand that.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
I didn't that was I mean, I understand what he
was saying. It was just like a weird thing to say.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
What are Steph Curry's what are his horns?
Speaker 2 (29:59):
What is he like? Silver?
Speaker 1 (30:02):
What? Shack? It's just dumb, right, So, but the problem
is he's been working on that for a while.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Right, you can tell he's been work shocking that idea.
But like you know, you brought it up. His reason was, oh,
Lebron came up in the social media era and he
didn't have anywhere to be compared to. And if that's
your argument, that's a really really weak argument. Like, I
know you have Lebron as the greatest, and you have
reasons which are even if I disagree with you, which
(30:29):
I do, your point about him. You know, three different franchises,
winning championships, going to the finals half of his NBA career.
No matter where he goes, team is a contender. All
the longevity stats are in his favor right, first and
scoring fourth and assists. Only player to even be in
the top ten in both of those categories. He averages
twenty five, six and six and nineteen seasons. Next closest
(30:50):
guys at nine. Right, you know, the all the all
NBA teams all the All Star teams like it's it's
it's at some point the NBA record book is going
to say will chamber and Lebron James present the NBA
because their names are just going to be up and
down the NBA record book. So you could make a case,
and whether I agree or discrete, you could make a
strong argument for Lebron being the best player of all time,
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but him having to come up during the first take
undisputed era of sports media, or you know, there was
no one to compare, you know, Lebron and Jordan. He
had a fight that goes to Jordan's Yeah, like Larry
Bird and Magic Johnson didn't exist, like Kareem never existed,
Like Wilt Chamberlin and all his staff never existed. Like
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just because there was more coverage now doesn't mean you
can just omit certain things in history to fit your narrative.
And that's that was my issue with Rich Paul. It's
like you can make an argument without having to play
mental gymnastics, you know what I mean. I didn't. I
didn't like that.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah, So and again we're we're deep into the pod here.
We don't need to go longer. I just not only
is wherever Lebron goes, and he being the system and winning.
But Rob, this idea, you know, the cross era comparisons
are so difficult. And I love the eighties NBA. That
was my favorite era of all time until you know,
(32:14):
the twenty tens arrived and Steph Curry and Lebron set
the league on fire and went to the finals every
year practically against each other. It was unbelievable. And then
you start drilling down, Rob, and you say, okay, So
the nineteen eighties had, like you know, in nineteen eighty six,
it was like twenty three teams in the league. And
I think I joked on this pod that there are
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more Attennacumpo brothers in the NBA right now than there
were international players in like nineteen eighty six when Jordan
was like starting his MVP rise, and I know there
was some Drasen Petrovic and Vlade Divac and okay, I
get a couple good ones. There are MVP international players
dominating the NBA now, Giannis Luca Joker, I'm gonna put
(33:03):
I know Embiid is considered you know, international, but he
went to Kansas, So I if you went to college
in the US. I can't totally call you an international
Is that fair? Like alajo One went to Houston, we
don't consider him an international player, right, Jokic didn't play
in college, he's an international player.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Rob?
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Would you agree that we could just agree to that, Rob?
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Or no? Uh I I could sympathize that. I mean,
Alijo play for Team USA, so it's hard to call you.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, come on, yeah, yeah, that's perfect. I didn't even
think of that. And it's like the era and I'm
not pooh pooing it. By the way, Rob, are you
watching Winning Time on HBO?
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
It is one of the best notions. I mean, I
love it. It is the Magic Riley stuff. The West
is it Westhead or West Paul? I forget which west Head?
The guy they just bounced who's played by Jason Jason Siegel,
Jason Siegel. He's all, I like that guy, but like,
(34:02):
I love the eighties and seeing this, like you forget,
I forgot. Magic demanded a trade. Steph Curry Ever demanded trade.
Lebron Ever demanded trade like Magic openly to the media
was like, I'm demanding a trade. It's me or the
coach some diva action from Magic I forgot. I was
like too, I was a kid, what do I know?
But like, I just feel like the league as a
(34:23):
whole right now is just so much stronger than the
league back then. And I know people are going to say, well,
we had eing A A. Lajahwan and David Robinson and okay, great, Yeah,
there were great players, the great players in every era.
But rob I think you're with me. The players right
now are far and away better than they were in
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the eighties and nineties. Would you would you agree with that?
Or no? I know you're a big Kobe guy. Kobe's
closer to this era than the eighties. No, hes like
what so oh so the draft was Kobe by the way,
ode in ninety six, but he didn't really become Kobe
until like two thousand.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Right right right, the first championship is when you really
took off. Yes, the players today are better than they
have ever been, bigger, stronger, faster, more skilled. Anybody who is
objective can see that, and I think talent exactly exactly.
I think I think the where people take that as
like an insult is because they'll point to like the
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top of the top. You'll say, oh, well, in the
eighties they had Bird and Magic and Kareem and the
nineties at Jordan and you know Shack, and you can
play that game with any decade. Right the top is
the best players are going to be the best players
no matter where you drop them. If you put Lebron
in the seventies, put Steph in the eighties, like it's
they're always going to be great. Where you see Now,
what I think that you touched it on is because
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of the influence of international basketball, just the interest level
in basketball period, there's going to be a higher talent
pool because there's more people who are interested are interested
in it, and I think that's yes. Today's players as
a whole, as a collective, you know, from the first
man to the fifteenth man, up and down the roster,
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are better than they were. Definitely in the nineties and
two thousand, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
So let me ask you, a lot of people are
positioning to hate Jason. Remember Clyde Drexler, you leave him
off the talk of like amazing players in that era,
Like all right, how many MVPs for Clyde Drexler, Rob zero?
How many finals for Clyd Drexler? Did you? How many
you win. Oh zero, I don't have first team All
(36:30):
NBAS off the top of my head, but I'm gonna
go ahead and guess it's not many. Who do you
think had a better career? Clyde Drexler or Jerk.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Davitski, Oh, Dirk Davitski.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Yeah, I don't even thinks close, right, And in.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
The middle of pulling up his bio for Clyd Drexler
and want to make sure to.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Okay, yeah, pull okay, how many first Team All NBAS.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
For Clyde one? Two, second team two thirteen?
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Dirk has an MVP, so he was the best player
in the league. But like my point is, I mean
the guys will send me articles. Clyde Drexler was considered
a peer of Mike. It was on the same line
as Michael Jordan. Of course, Jordan took that as a
personal insult and like that's when he had the six
threes in it the shrug. Okay, cool, I got it.
But like, what is Clydedrexeler right now? I'm gonna say
(37:19):
a name, but you're gonna hate it. My guy Zach Lavine.
Like I know, Zach Lavine hasn't been first team All NBA.
But so who's like a comp for like a Clyde Drexler,
who apparently in the early nineties was the man. I
think he went to two finals they lost to the
Pistons and Jordan Uh.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I mean, I guess right now what Jason Tatum just
in terms of accomplishments, No, in terms of accomplishments, right.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Like that two or three times first Team All NBA.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, but I mean Tatum is still halfway through his prime.
So you're saying the first half of Jason Tatum's prime
is the entire career of Clyde Drexler.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Yeah, is there a guard Weekend? I mean, I know
you don't want to hear Levine. He was on the
Olympic team.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
He was really good.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Damian Lillard, Damian Lillard and CRIDs Rexler. I think Lillard's
considered the greatest Portland troublizer of all time.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
No, yeah, he yes, Yes, that's a tough one. Clyde
Drexler is like a unique Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Like space, How good is Clyde? I don't know, And
I'm sure there's a lot of young kids who are
like twenty six listening. It's like, who the hell is
Clyde Rexler. But it's like, it's really tough with the
eighties because we think some of these guys were amazing,
and then you drill down a little, you're like, oh,
this guy was good.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
But like I read somewhere that Karl Malone and John
Stockton combined have a losing winning percentage in the playoffs. No,
I have to fact check that, but I think I
saw that and I was like, wow.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
That's a losing record in the post.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah, yes, holy cow.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
I mean, listen, by the way, those jazz teams that
Jordan beat, it was like Carl and Stockton, and then
after that it was like Jeff Hornaseck Byron Russell. I mean,
are those guys even cracking the rotation of any of
the Curry teams maybe the one that lost in the
(39:10):
playoffs for the Lakers this year, but like no team
of Curries that went to the finals is Byron Russell starting.
I don't even know if he's top seven horn a Seck.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Like again, it's again, if you really want to go
down this rabbit hole, I was We talked about this,
Actually it wasn't with you. It was with one of
the producers, Josh, before we recorded the podcast. I believe
we talk to him about it. I was watching NBA
TV and they showed a replay of Lakers Celtics Game
seven of the twenty ten finals.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Oh go and then the ugly.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah, when you get beyond like the top of the
Kobe and Powe and the big three in Boston, and
you see the Lakers the rest of their roster, it's
like Luke Walton, Josh Powell getting minutes, Jordan far Sasha
Vuja Chichen. It's like none of these would have played
in those cas Warriors finals at all. They wouldn't have
got off the bench.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
And yeah, shit, was Shannon Brown on those Lakers teams?
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Yes he was. He was a skywalker, Yes, Shannon Brown
who could dunk and then not much else.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
But yes, yeah, he didn't have much in his bag. Anyways,
we just spent ten minutes on the NBA where we
shouldn't have. But Rob loves it. I like the sparring.
It's always fun. Anyways, we'll be back tomorrow. We're dabbling
with guest ideas, I think college football, and then of
course on Friday, we will have mister Baker, the great
NFL prognosticator. If you missed ta's interview yesterday. I implore
(40:38):
you to go listen to this phenomenal if you're betting
or doing Fantasy Week one, we're out, see you tomorrow
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