HOW TO: Prepare for Law School part 1

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Here with my brother Marcella's row. How are you.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
I'm good? How about you? I'm doing well.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
It sounds kind of funny in this room, guys, because
I'm not in a completely empty house. I'm just being trasfied.
I know Dwayne will tighten up the audio, but I am,
you know, bringing you guys through this journey. You know,
last show, we talked about me relocating to Orlando Law School,
which we're gonna talk about so that is why you
hear a little bit of a go. But my furniture

(01:01):
will be here in the next couple of weeks. I'm
very excited about that. And just you know, I don't
share all my business, but I have been sharing Marcella's
this journey because it is something I'm very excited about
and hoping people find inspiration behind it.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
My daughter goes to college in two weeks, so.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
She's with all my real furniture and all of that,
because I wanted to keep the house, you know, keep
her comfortable.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
You want to just leave, honey, you know, leave in
an empty house. So we have all of that and
so waiting to get her, you know, situated in her
dorm and all that stuff, and then so we'll bring
my stuff on down. And so when both starting college
at the same time. I've been in college for everisodes
and not like this the first time, you know, bachelor's,
masters and all that. But both my daughter and I.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
We are taking a new journey together of a new chapter,
because this certainly is a new chapter for me, meaning
law school is like nothing else. I've been loving educating
you Marcella's on you know what you thought law school was,
you know, really being able to you know, show people,
you know, through my conversations with you that no law

(02:11):
school is like getting into medical school, only very very different.
And it's a journey that I want people to be
inspired by to learn from. And you know, as I
continue to learn knowledge and information no matter what I've
done in my career. There's always something new to learn,
and so it's a new chapter. Me being an empty

(02:31):
nester for the first time, you know, in eighteen years.
I've set myself up to be able to take this
law school journey very serious, because you cannot just oh, yeah,
you got in the bag, you know, tells you you'll
be fine. No, no, no, We're gonna talk about that tonight,
on how to prepare, you know, and to make sure
you know, don't trick yourself. Don't believe the kool aid,

(02:52):
you know what I mean, Like I am setting up
you need to be anxious about making sure you know
that you're on top of your shit, you know, and
not take anything ain't for granted. I don't care what
work I've done, how much case, how many cases out there,
you know. No, I'm setting myself up, you know, which
is what took me so long to do this, setting
myself up that I can give it, you know, my all.
And so there's little things, you know what I'm talking about

(03:14):
tonight on how I did that. I don't want to
trick myself, you know, in the thinking for example, one
part time.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
You know, I could go full time, but.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Why would I go full time when I know when
I'm working, when I know there's other things that I do,
you know, when I do, I don't want things interfering.
Now I can add on a class or two and
still you know, finish it in three years.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
But let's get to that, you know, right now.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Just do the part time so that you can be successful,
you know, and still have the daytime to the things
that I do.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
Work.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
But it don't take my whole you know, I'm pretty
good at working and managing and doing all those things
for Marcels. I don't believe in crashing out, you know,
so if it takes a little bit longer to do
it right, I have nothing to prove at this point,
getting this crudential at the end, this is truly about
just doing something that I just need to have or
want to have. It's not because I haven't been able

(04:09):
to be successful in other things.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
You know, I could just continue.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Many people licensed attorneys don't have the privilege to work
with a law firm and on the largest cases in
the country.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
I've already did that, not as a.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Lawyer, but I've had I've been in proximity to that,
and interns died for those opportunities. You know, they would
love those opportunities. So I've been really blessed to be
exposed to those things. At the same time, I still
want the credential and I want to be successful, so
I would rather do it longer and.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Give me an extra year, you know, to do it
the right way.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
So I'm gonna let you interview me as you always
do that so well, and to just talk about because
for those who have reached out to me on man Tizen,
I really you know, I'm encouraged by what you're saying,
and I want to go back myself and this and
you know, so I just want people to know, you know,
like this is what happen.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
And then the first week orientating, so we had our.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
First week, so backtracking and and my friend eDV k
wizs Is turned to edukate web.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
She said, we are so blessed because.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Because she didn't have this type of setup, you know,
she said, they had a half a day orientation and
then after that, you know, that's it.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
You ain't no prepping you and all of that. So
done an awesome job.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
And I want you to go look and I want
you to look to marcellas I put her on my
wall today.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
The history of the Family Law School, it's so inspiring.
It just brought me to tears.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
You know how they had to fight for it and
they took it away, and you know they started law school,
you know, desegregation, and then when they dissemgate everything, then
they took it away like oh, y'all can go to
the white post. Now they're like, no, we still want
our own, you know. So there's a lot of history
behind that, but a lot from training to thought. What
it was us saying.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
They didn't go to show y'all, Marcellus wasn't listening to me.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
I would I remember, I remember you just talking about family.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
I was talking about ebony, saying they weren't set up
so family, you are excellent job of preparing us before
day one. So we had a class called Lowering Fundamentals
that was designed to be about a two and a
half week It was more than two and a half weeks.
It had in more than two and a half weeks.

(06:15):
It's like maybe fifteen days, fifteen sixteen days, I guess
that's two weeks two and a half weeks, but it
just seemed like it was longer than that.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
But anyway, it was designed.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
It was self pace, and it was a mock and
gave you the idea of the coursework, you know, the
rigor of it, how much information you.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
Need to read.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
It was online where it had a virtual professor, but
still really cool, you know, showing you the Socratic method
where you got where that means you got to recite
stuff bank and so if you did it the right way,
it did not cheat the system, you know, cause you
could just, I guess go through it. But the way
they had it set up was even the professor asking

(06:55):
question and then it paused and it allows you to
answer it, you know, and then it give you the
answer and okay did you get that answer?

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Why did you not get that answer? Okay, go back.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
So it was really quizzes all the way through modules,
all the way through the final all in miss three
by the way, So I got an a but like
literally taking you through every step.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
And when I at first, I was like, oh, can
we finish faster than in two weeks because I'm thinking
I got time, not that I'm the smartest.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
I was just like, oh, you.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Know, if I'm got two weeks and I know I
had time during the day all day every day because
my life is just set up that way.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Even when I'm working, I have more time because I'm
just disciplined. Well, I don't have a life pretty much.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
I'm just you know, I can work, work work, So
I'm thinking, oh yeah, I can get that done way
before that.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
No, my selves, I need it every day. I needed
every day.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
That they gave, and I made sure I paced myself
like I was like, oh man, I got behind. I
should have been done with this by Friday. So now
because they had to set up on just the daytime,
I mean just the weekday, so my weekends. That showed
you a good example on how you can catch up
on the weekends, which is what our time students do.
So I'm supposed to be young with Module six by Friday,

(08:05):
and here I'm on module five going into Friday. But
in order to be on module whatever at Monday, I
need to use Saturday and Sunday just to get ahead,
you know, just to kind of you know, make sure
that I'm going to track because what you thought only
took forty five minutes did not take forty five minutes
for doing it right, you know what I mean, if
you were doing it right, because there's language in it

(08:27):
that you may not ever heard.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
It's very easy to if.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
You see a word that you're not familiar with, you
look up the word, and then that takes you to
something else and something else. You know, if you're curious
for knowledge, you could easily have a forty five minute
module that maybe four hours because you're actually, you know,
trying to pick it up. And so I that was huge,

(08:50):
me knowing, Okay, my regular printer ain't gonna cut it.
I got to invest in a laser printer because printing
off forty pH to Kinkos. The print off one of
the cases, it was forty pages. I kept having the Kikos.
Now they don't let you. They make you paying in
and bance. So that even took because they had to
pay twenty I'm thinking, what twenty dollars is enough? Then

(09:12):
I had to start over another twenty dollars like that.
That ain't enough, you know, because it just stops it.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
It don't let you.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
You know, keygos just let you put the card in,
they do a pending and then you know, let you
printing and charge my back. And now they're like no,
because somebody came there, probably in the paying stuff, So
now where you need to pay in advance, but I
don't know how much I need.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
So it kept stopping and starting.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
So one I gotta dry the Kinkos, you know, got
to put cost forty dollars to print that off my
jet printer, you know the printers that just that you
don't want to have for home, you know, print out stuff.
But it's just like Jude, Jude, dude, like, no, I
need a laser printer. You know you're gonna be sitting
there all day, you know, trying to get out eight
ten pages.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
So I research on that, Okay, how many prints? This
is where Chad GPT is great.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
We're gonna talk about him why it's not great as
we get through the conversation.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
I did research on that. Marcella's like what kind of
printer do I need for law school?

Speaker 1 (10:05):
You know? And it gave me information like, Okay, you're
gonna need a printer that can print twenty two pages
a minute or thirty to try to get thirty two
pages a minute or whatever. So when I went to
the Princeton, when I went to Staples, I went in
armed with the information, which is what being on Terry's
all about giving the knowledge and not just walking in there.
I went, I'm like, okay, this little fret's thirty two

(10:26):
thirty two pages per minute, but that's really expensive. But
can I get the twenty two page a minut you know,
So even going in, you know, knowing these are the
things that I need to look for, the cheaper one
was black and white. Like, no, I don't want to
invest the kind of money I'm investing that can't p
print color even though I don't need color. You don't

(10:48):
want to sit up about a four hundred dollars printer.
You know, Okay, the color. But when I when I
was doing my research, the type of laser printer I
needed that was in my budget was black and white only.
So then I had to injumct you know, and look
at that. So all those different things went in and
they were able to match it because I was able
to find it cheaper, you know somewhere else. That saved
me two undred dollars just that alone. So yeah, So

(11:10):
those types of things. The lesson here in ladies and
gentlemen is, you know, when you take a moment to
try to be prepared. I'm not saying I'm just gonna
ace telling you I have to work hard. I am
not just automatic books smart.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
I have to work.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
And these are the type of things that you do,
you know, that can make it a little bit easier
for you. Another thing, I haven't had a desktop in years.
I used my laptop. My laptop's been just fine. I've
never thought about getting a desktop for I'm like, oh,
my laptop be just fine doing that, lowering frondamentals, eyes crossed,

(11:44):
like you can't. It's too many windows you gotta keep open.
You know, too much information, you gotta read too much.
I'm like, no, I gotta get a desktop. I download
this software. Person like, let me give me another monitor.
Then I found software that allows my laptop to.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Be my second.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
So I found that out. It's called duet. That's like
five bucks a month. That was really neat.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
So I cooked that up.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
You know, Okay, if I need to monitors, I can,
you know, hook it up like that instead of buying
an additional monitor. That say, you know, again doing the
taking the time to do the research. What do you
need to do to be success? Also, I'm showing you
y'all can't see it, but marcells can see it. When
you buy your Mac computer, it comes with a small
mini keyboard, and I didn't know that. So I get
the keyboard and I'm like, wow, is small.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
And I tried it. I was like, let me see
how well that's going to be the type?

Speaker 1 (12:31):
And I started noticaying like it was taking me a
little too long, you know, like even to type.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
It's those so I worried.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
You know, this one a regular keyboard, because so then
my heads are accustomed to, like on my laptop.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
You see what I'm saying, how those small.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Things you make a difference because although you're thinking, oh,
it's just a keyboard, No, when I'm trying to type
and I'm trying to get information out, I'm trying to
move fast, I'm trying this, and that a keyboard actually
does math. The keyboard actually mattered. Get me my desk
set up. I bought the wrong desk. I thought it
was gone because I was buying a disk before I
got here, thinking okay, I remember like an eyeball.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
It that was wrong. So then you know me being
here ahead of time, like they told you, don't try
to move a week. You know that you start This
is what I've.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Been telling Java, do it ahead of time, you know,
don't wait. So because I was in Orlando five days
before orientation, I was able to go to Irakia, you know,
and say now that out in here, okay, I can
measure it.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Now, what kind of disks you know it's gonna work?
Where can I set it up?

Speaker 1 (13:38):
You know in my place where I'm thinking it's gonna
be a one area turned.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Out to be a whole another area.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
I'm in a section like my dining room, but I
made another little space to dining room. I set it
here because they can't see it ourselves, but me looking
out right now the window in the skyline. That makes
a difference in my mental health, you know what I'm saying,
Like those types of things I didn't want to be.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
I got a second bedroom, but I didn't want to
be in the bedroom. I wanted to be you.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Know where I'm looking out where I can see some
light and you do see some tree, you know, just.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
That type of stuff.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Those are the things like if you're sitting at your
desk all day you're trying to study, all of that
makes a difference.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
That that's just the setup alone.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
You know what I mean, Like just making short that
I'm set up, and there's still a couple of things,
you know, I want to do. I want to get
a little side because I bought a side desk. It
was to be at a kid, but I do on
another little writing table next to me. Just have some
more space. But all of those things for ourselves. That
just that alone, taking that one class set me up
for what does my work space look like? You know,

(14:39):
imagine if I didn't have that and you started law
school day one, you already like, what the hell am
I doing? What did I side up for? Just that
alone allows me to know, okay, I can tackle Monday
with at least some understanding. That was the first the
second part, and then I'll let you get into, you know,
ask some questions about that. The second part was actually

(15:01):
having orientation. So we had orientation from Saturday all the
way to Friday. Did not have it on Sunday. So
five days of orientation or yeah, five days was having
day on Friday of orientation each day. You know, Now,
this is the first they're building it, you know, like
they say, building a plane while you fly. So so

(15:22):
the stuff, you know whatn't as organized. They're also you know,
trying to figure out a real time, but I'm still
you know, very appreciative of it. So, you know, different
departments coming by, trying to get us straight on certain things.
You know, parking this that your badge, you know, uh,
financial aid that not being where it need to be,
you know, going this to do this is a city,
a different panel coming from professionals, from students to bar association,

(15:46):
everybody coming, you know, giving you much information as possible.
And then we had two mock classes of actually saying, okay,
read these cases and we're going to have a mock class,
you know, to give you an idea of what you're
going to expect, you know, giving us all the first
readings for next week, all everything that's doing next week,
like already going into so this weekend, I know a

(16:08):
little bit more how to study or what I should
be looking for because of the mock class and the
laurd fundamentals. And that's still gonna be a shock, but
it's not as cold as you know, just throwing you
at the deep end.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Had we not had all of this stuff set up.

Speaker 5 (16:30):
Well, you know, it's interesting because you you went so
fast in the beginning, but I just learned, so you said,
and you know, I'm always shocked about stuff. You said,
law school just like medical school, you know it's right, Well,
I just learned so based on what you said, medical

(16:52):
school you have to be it's competitive as well.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
So oh yeah, only a certain amount of people getting
that too.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Oh yeah, I mean we had they made they click.
We had over two thousand applications. They said, you know,
only one hundred and forty of us made it. So yeah,
I hold where you got that from. You think just
anybody just pop up and yeah, no, yes.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
I hey, I didn't think medical school was competitive though.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
You just saw anybody that dis graduated just under undergraduate
medical school. No, even when you go for your to
get your PhD, there's some level of when I say competitive,
meaning they're only going to take so many you know
what you score, you know on your tests because they

(17:39):
test you for PhD. You know as well you're g
r D, so you're not just It's not like going
to college, you know, you still I mean, people can
say argue that college is competitive, you know, to get
in outside of the community college. Community college let you
just enroll, But for for you university, you know, they
still want at least a basic you.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Know, two point old GPA.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
You know, depending on where you're going, everything says you're
not just walking up and anywhere. But each time it
gets harder and harder. So graduate programs, you know, they
don't accept everybody into that program.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Damn show.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
This is called professional it's called professional school. So medical
and profession and law degree is professional school. So yeah,
you're not just walking up just walking in.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
You know the l SAT. Uh, I have prepped for that.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
I've taken three classes just to prep for the l
SAT tests, and I'm.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Taking it more than once.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Most people take it two three times just to get
the best sport that you possibly can. And then that's
just one part of getting into it. And you don't
and you don't. You can't study for the l SAT.
It's not it's not information that they test you on.
You study to learn how to take the test. That's
why it's very challenging. Nobody has an advantage with anybody.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
With the l SAT. Your go gog with so sample
questions for the l SAT and you'll see what type
of time.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Do you tall?

Speaker 2 (18:58):
You today? Are that alone?

Speaker 3 (19:05):
That that?

Speaker 1 (19:06):
That is very discouraging? Did you like, I ain't no way,
I can't do this? You know didn't know this is hard.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
And I remember yesterday I had Google. Uh why is
law school so hard?

Speaker 5 (19:23):
One of the things is saying, and I still have it.
It was saying that in law school you would not
be able, you would not be able to succeed if
you one of those people that like to like skim
through stuff whatever. They were saying a lot of students
failed because they don't want to read all the material.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
They just want to.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Read all like kind of like you know where I'm
getting ready to go, kind of like.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Did she show you how to put up the step?
And said, yes, she showed me and then put them
a step peep. He said, she showed you. We you
do a b C. No, No, I meant to actually
do the antel step, to do the snipper beach. The
cutting corners is what it's saying. Right, they don't want

(20:13):
to read information. They hate they're ansid. These are things
that will serve to be well my natural building. You know,
but you know they hate reading cash, you know, they
hate cat they hate information. They never wanted to get
the information.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Law school. You have to get the information.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
It's even hard for me because your eyes star blood
starts looking foreign, so it's a lot of information else.

Speaker 5 (20:36):
They said, So Harola said about grading on the curve. Okay,
I'm just gonna be honest. I've heard my teachers say that.
You know that was in school. Still, like, I never
knew what that means. Wait, exactly does that mean when
you gray on the curve?

Speaker 1 (20:51):
That's a great question because the way the lawyer in
the room, the student lawyer who was a three l
he to try to explain it kind of go to
what was them an offline. They explained stuff so complicated.
This is one of my students where I'm just making
real simple because he thought he was explaining, and all they.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Did was left people even more confused.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Because again, real smart people, which is most people then
not meet but most people are out there very very smart,
sometimes too smart, you know, for they could you know
what I mean, And it's hard to explain the bottom
line is what it's saying is we are competing with.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Each other, which is why people don't like the curve.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Your regular way upgrading is Marcella's grade is Marcella's grade.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
You know the curve is gonna be the normal grade.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Just think about what we've just done all through high school, school, college,
one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
You know, ninety two.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
One hundred is a A eighty three B, yeah is
a B and so on, you know, seventy C and
then D and then M. The curve is basically saying,
because remember our class, what they call a cornhorse is
we're all going through this together. It's like when you
start a freshman class, say, you know, the ideas that

(22:07):
you're going freshmen sing, you know, sophomore, you know, until you.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Graduate high school.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
College not necessarily same because even though you may start
with somebody, unless their traditional like Jada, you know her class,
she probably will. But when I started in college, I
wasn't starting, you know, like a traditional freshman.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
You know what I mean. So people I met, I'm
not necessarily people i'na graduate with.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
I may switch my hours up, I may jump over here,
I may take this, I may take that. Law school
the way it's set up is very similar to like
high school. You know, you're in a class class of
twenty twenty eight or twenty twenty nine, and you guys
are going through this together. That was why I waited
until this moment in my life, because I needed to

(22:49):
be able to say do I have three years to
dedicate to this, not eight years that it took for
the Bachelor. You know, stop, start, come back, do this,
do that. Law school don't work that way. You need
to be able to start as stop. So iwever you
own a three year program or a four year program.
I'm saying all that to say is it's competitive meeting.

(23:10):
People want to be at the top of the class,
you know, especially full time. I want to be in
the top ten percent, of the top five percent or
the whatever percent that is. Well, that is determined based
upon if everybody's getting it. Let me give you a
very clear example. So if by when I'm training, which
we got training, y'all make sure y'all go listen to

(23:30):
the training. Uh, We're doing training three this week, and
I'm testing everybody to see do everybody understand you know
what I've talked so far? One two of course, one
course soup. We're gonna set up the percentage standard based
upon who gets the highest. So I'm gonna test everybody,
Marcellus and everybody else. This is a center way of explaining.

(23:52):
I'm gonna test Marcellus and everybody else on push the
line material. Whoever gets the highest the highest may be
eighty five. If the highest is eighty five and everybody
else is lower, the curve basically means that the eighty
five is now an A.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Makes sense?

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Oh, it changes now in eighty five and this world
is an A because the highest that we could possibly
get was in eighty five, And so now it's going
to adjust every other percentage according to that.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (24:35):
So, and because now you're the standard, it's not one
hundred percent is an A.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
That means this teacher, out of all of us, the
highest person that understood anything that you.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Was talking about or whatever, grasp it or how you
set the test up or whatever it is. We're not
because it's kind of I don't like the curve, but
it kind of can be I guess to a benefit.
Because let's if we just on a regular grade sale
eighty five or be a bee, right, but.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
If you got it more than everybody else, you are
considered in A. Does that make sense?

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Right?

Speaker 1 (25:09):
So now we're adjusting it to Now Marcellus is the
benchmarn and everything is gonna adjust to that. So it's
only gonna be a certain amount of a's. It's only
gonna be a certain amount of bees. It's only going
to be a certain amount of c's because now we're
adjusting it to what the standard is. So law school's

(25:30):
very competitive one because people want to get out and
be like I graduated in the top ten percent. I
graduated top twenty percent, top fifteen percent. You know, people
believe that helps them with jobs and all that kind
of stuff.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Me not so much. My goal is different.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Younger students that come out and they want to go
work what they call big law, you know, corporate law,
and it used to play. It doesn't matter even though
one person, it don't matter if you get top timpers
or not. Don't let that borrow you, Bob. Yeah, gotta matter.
It matters to song. You know that A little matters
the song. The absolutely does make a difference. It just
depends on what you want to do. But a lot
of people don't look at it. But they look at like, hey,
end of the day, as long as I got my

(26:04):
bar card, long as I'm gonna esquire me and you
the saying no matter who graduated was but the person
who graduated the top will sound bige.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
The difference because I'm.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Over here at such and such walk card you over
here at such and such lorg.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
You've got everything to do and being at the top.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
For now me because of where I am in my life,
I am not focused on I got to be in
the top twenty percent, on top ten percent, I'm just
not at all.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
I know.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
For me, it is the degree, get in the JD
and passing the bar.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
And even if I don't stand for the bar, the
JD is was most important to me because actually, and
I go through this all the time, I actually can
get more business because of what I do by not
being a license attorney. Because once you are a license attorney,
a lot of things that I do and say I

(27:01):
cannot do. I have to be mindful of that. So
my benefit to attorney Crop and other attorneys is I
can say what they can't without somebody writing to the
bar to say you said this, to say that, because
as an attorney, you're an attorney in all the times.
You don't get to pick and shoes when you're not
want to be an attorney. So there's a professional standard
that you're held to. And I'm not talking about me

(27:22):
clapping back and doing all that. You know, I can
still do all of that, So nowherries, I'm always gonna
be able to spring. I'm just talking about like things
I may say about a case or you know, you
can't talk about a judge, or you can't be like
this is that, you know, just search.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
You just gotta be careful if you're working with a family.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Certain things I can say the turn crop case, say,
I also can go solicit business.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
He cannot. He asked. The people have to come to him,
you know, those sides of things.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
So it's a lot that I can do as a
non attorney in the space that I do. Then it's
beneficial to attorneys. So I wanted the JD to him.
The JD is the actual degree to have the knowledge,
you know, so that I just have the knowledge, and
I love to teach, and you can teach without passing
the bar. But you still want that, Esquire, because you
want to be able to say, y'all ain't no better

(28:06):
than me. Then go back to the ten percent. So
you know, let's not get it twisted. I am a
turn figure roll, you know what I mean. But back
and forth with that. But for me, just because I've
just been really blessed to already be, you know, in
the legal world, somewhat. My goal is not I'm already
being crumeb law firm, So it's either I'm gonna be

(28:28):
with him or somebody else that I know then I
just know, or even my own.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
I'm one of those.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Students that could could come out and start them off.
They tell you don't do that, but a lot of
people do. But I'm actually a student that actually could
come out and practice my own law firm right at
the gate, because a lot of having a law firm
is relationships.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Majority of it is do people trust.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
You, you know, with their case, so I can come
out and do small little cases or everybody doing nothing,
but dwis I already have a brand, already have a name,
already have access, you know, already have those things where
people will feel comfortable enough at least even if they've
just given me legal zone work, you know what I'm saying.

(29:11):
So I'm not talking about trying to be Johnny Carfer
and I'm just saying, you know, the basics at BETS,
I could make a decent living, you know, coming right
out on my own because I've already built that that brand.
And then one of the things that I do love
about Florida I'm very excited about this. It's called a
Certified Legal Intern and in Florida, and I sign up

(29:35):
for now because they takes about six eight months just
to process paperwork and get approved all that by the
summer under this program in the Public Defender's Office, which
is what I want to do, a criminal defense.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
So it works that I can't do with all fields,
but you can go work.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
In the public defenders offer and actually try cases.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
As an intern.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
You can actually represent clients as long as it's under
the direction of an attire and they're guiding you through it.
You can I can take I can go to trial
next year. Florida has that, and that's really cool. I'm
very excited about that. I'm very excited about that. You're
not just an intern just why like you actually can
speak on behalf of the client, represent a client whole nine.
So the program so by the time I get out

(30:19):
would actually have an experience to go to trial.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
My experience in addition to name recognition, which.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Is a whole lot of getting people to business with you,
and then actually having the real trial experience that I
will have access two for three four years me getting out,
I truly can.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Have my own law firm.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Again small o' nobody talking about you know, magic, but
I'm already in proximity. If you go look at people,
go look and just so I post the other day
on my attorney friends. You know, they're doing big things
and the businesses and these are people who are waiting
on me already, you know, to finish, I would just

(31:03):
the names on their law even just in the comment.
You just see a lot of my alturnive friends of
the comments that are in the top two hundred according
to Forbes magazine, you know, being his top one hundred
according to Time magazine. So I'm not around slouches. So
you don't know what to saying that it been like
somebody or you know, it been so so my I'm

(31:24):
not my reason for it. I need to be in
the top ten twenty percent. You know, it's not necessarily
it's still a goal. You know, you want to do
your best, but that's hugely reserved of people that are
trying to get a job so as they get out.

Speaker 5 (31:45):
And in short note, everybody would I also learned this,
I don't I can't remember. I don't think it's I
don't know if it's like nationwide but I did see
that you cannot You cannot represent Like let's say I
wanted to represent you if you you know, you had
a case and I don't have a law license, and

(32:07):
I know you can't do that, Georgia, you can't do that.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
You have to have a law license in order to.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah, then you can represent yourself.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
People got the right like if you you know, you
want to be your own the turn and it's fine, but.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Yeah, you have to be an a turn, you know,
a license of turns. I know they keep until.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Y'all a I can do everything, but an actual human beings.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
That's just see.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
AI is definitely taking a pair of legals work, you know, uh,
legal assistant all of that. It's going to take a
lot of that. But even still I would argue having
a real person is doing your legal assistant work still
matters because hey, I get it wrong. So they did
a lot of that last week of teaching us, of
showing us like what because it's like you know, y'all

(32:51):
need to say so we're not even played in egg white.
We don't how to use it and how.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Not get in trouble.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Like a lot of that's been you know, using it
in their cases and getting caught.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
Well, yeah, you go Google, I'm.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Covered a few thoals on records, club band re ball
may because AI will hallucinate.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
You don't make up shit, so they use an AI
like buying me a case that.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Shows battery between somebody X, y Z and it'll pull
up you know, this and this and that and a
I don't always get it right. So these attorneys you
just go Google put attorneys in AI. I see several
attorneys have been called, you know, like submitting that information
thinking that is true, not necessarily trying to. I don't
think it's always going to be a case of then
trying to be vindiced. They're just trying to work faster

(33:37):
and trying to get it fast and cutting corners. So uh,
in law school you get access to all these databases
that you have to pay for. It costs thousands of
thousand dollars, like Lexus and Nexus, Bloomberg West Law. You know,
there's actual database with case law. So law school we
get access to that. But in your real life firm,
you're not paying all those subscriptions. You know, buy the

(33:58):
six seven thousand dollars a month. They're very expensive, so
a lot of times. People may just be paying for
access to one, or they may use AI, or they
may whatever, you know, and it's pulled out information and
you're not gonna remember all these cases.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Nobody does. You don't know every case.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
So they're using that information and it's wrong. So they
spent a lot of time last week. And this is
how to use it properly. You know, you need to
know what prosts to ask and you need to know
what to upload. You need to know, you know, use
it as a way to kind of get started, you know,
to get whatever. But don't let it be your final answer.
You still need to read this case. But AI is

(34:36):
very good though with like summarizing, but I did it
last It was summarizing something totally different. And then you
go to classes like what they talking about a boat
when line is talking about something totally AI pulled out
something that wasn't relative, it wasn't like, it was not indicate,
you know, pulled out something totally relevant. Everybody else talking

(34:57):
about something MILS and all like them. So I learned
that last week. And when I say A, I'm not
talking about just chat GPT. When they say AI, they
mean Google anything that is artificially intelligent.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
So don't think AI is just chat GPT.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
It's anything, and it's connected to everything, so it's almost
any search. Google got it now where they got AI
assystem on the Google so what you would normally Google.
Google's trying to get smarter and that's why they're using AI.
But pure Google is not training for you. So like AI,

(35:37):
the actual chat GPT, and especially when you pay for
the twenty dollars one or twenty dollars whatever it was,
and case it will start.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
You can start training it on the things you look
for in things. Did you know that?

Speaker 3 (35:50):
No, the I never ever used chat GPT before.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Oh I love it. I love it.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
I mean it's synthesized and stuff. But I'm not even
talking aou philosoph or. I was looking for dentnists and
I was like, what Dennis specially? I want to know
what Dennis close to me based upon reviews because you
get to be.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
A very specific. You can ask some very specific question
what Dennis.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Close to me specializes in teeth whitening based the barn reviews,
and then it will pull up these are the This
dentist has forger five reviews. This one got sixty views.
This one got this based on the information. These are
the top three and then of the stage, and you
also can consider these are that you know. So especially
when you are constantly pulling information like I am. It's great,

(36:34):
but it also can be a lot of error when
you start having it chrying when you black revote news.
The guys that do our page, that do the Revoltman's
page and also do the regular revote, they use ch
GPT to rewrite things, and I've had to work with
them on that. Don't do that for what we do
on the legal side. Now you can do that to

(36:54):
rewrite something about ray J, you know, entertainer on the
other side, but you gotta get care with that too,
because chat GPT gon say what they want to say,
and you might them defamation the character, you know, all those.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Types of things.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
But on our end, do not as chat GPT to
rewrite nothing because they can absolutely. It's not like it's
the same, but it not be the same because every
single word matters when you're talking about policy and law,
and if you don't understand what those words are, you
can't recognize it.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
You're not gonna be able to recognize it.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
You can think, propose means the same thing as something else,
and it look like it, but it may not be
what that means, if that makes sense. Yeah, so your
line's not already if you don't. And that's when the
turn is saying. They're saying, y'all can't do chat GT
like we do. She said, because I can know when
something's off because you're familiar with it.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
If you're still is not gonna be familiar with it.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
So you're reading and thinking, oh, yeah, this is on
point and you don't know it.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
You don't know enough to be of a plan. What's wrong?
What's right? So anytime you master any level of something,
when I say master meaning expert level as something, I
can look at something to say this ain't so with campaigns.
I can look at something or see something or article
see and I can point out they call their issues fining.
I can point out, yeah, this is that. Yep. You know.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
That's why you can see me call a lout say
oh it's gonna come back, you know, because I've don't
it enough.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
So, although people want to think that chad GBT can
do it all, you still need institutional knowledge to be
recognized when chad GBT get wrong because Chad GBT don't
know everything because it is being trained on millions of
people putting information in. So it was like garbage in,
garbage out. You know what I'm saying. GPT don't know,

(38:36):
then it don't know. It's giving you wrong. It sounds
smart and looks smart and you know, oh that looks good.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
But you don't know. Yeah, So that's where people get
in a lot of trouble with that.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
I want to ask. So I know it may maybe
a bad thing, but our attorneys actually allowed to criticize
judges or they can't.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Not publicly to yourself matter of fact. And this is
a sad story, but it just says what it is. Wineline,
who is just so unfortunate. I think he's actually committed
now in the minimal institute of believe or something.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
I hate to say this, but it just is what
it is.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
He was one of the first people I met when
I came to Orland, though years ago, when I came
sharp attorney, he was a Chamber of Congress executive director.
You know he league ran against Virgina, that's beat we
ran against Virgina and uh he got fired in I
think he went to jail for going after a judge
like and going on social media and back.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
And forth and all that.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
So, no, you can, it's how you do it, not.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Necessarily what you do.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
You know, you can say, you know, I disagree with
the judge on X y Z, but like crashing out. No,
there's a certain level of professional decorn that you need
to have as an attorney.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
It turned a criminal way he went to jail.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Yeah, well he was threatening the hurder and all types
of stuff.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
Okay, yeah, me.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
What's going deep with it?

Speaker 1 (40:04):
But yeah, But my point is you just can't say
whatever you want say.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
You can't just crash out.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
You lose some of your First Amendment rights because you
are held to a standard, whether you like it or not.
You are held to a professional stand like a doctor's hell,
to the apracritic goal, like, you're held to a certain standards.
And that's what I was telling my team at Revolt
because one day was God. He was like, well, you know,

(40:30):
we don't have to do that. We don't owe them that.
Oh yeah I do, though I do. On best practices
of journalism, on best practice of being an editor.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
I do. I have to give the context.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
So context is leads with me, not we got too
many characters. It's not gonna be able to get shared
on Facebook. If we can get it down under the characters, great,
But if it is a story that requires more contexts
and y'all don't want to do it because it interferes
with lights and shares, then let's just another story because
I can't make this story.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
You know, some of these stories have to you know,
we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Supreme Court decisions and all of that that those aren't
going to be digital friendly based upon us trying to agree.
You know what, will somebody answer you the They got
a job to do, which is they can go viral
or make people watch it and all that. But I
got a job to do make sure we're not putting
out misinformation and that there's some ethical guidelines and that
the context is there. And sometimes I may have a

(41:27):
context in the caption. Sometimes I may have it on
the slide. Sometimes I want it both. I've had to
go around around with them about that, like, well we
repeated it twice.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
I want to repeat it twice. I wanted to read
I want it end the caption.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
Well, you said last time, as long as it is
in the it was on that case, it was not
on this one, you know what I mean, Like we
go a lot and I love my team, but I'm
always trying to show the just just do it, just
do it.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
I'm doing it for a reason.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
I'm pointing out this particular thing twice for a reason
because this might be something that saves our ass This
might be something that that.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Is correcting misinformation.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
This may be something that I need to make sure
I catch because some people just reading the caption, they
don't swipe.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Some people swape.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
I'm trying to double making sure that this one part
they got it. So just do what I'm asking and
stop looking at it as a entertainment post, you know,
or whatever posts. So those kind of things that I
do as editing, getting into a different conversation. But those
are the challenges too, And those are challenges that you
have with the law, you know, like how much information

(42:34):
is relevant, what's not relevant? You know, what's the issue,
what's the rule, what's the conclusion? Why did this judge
say this, and this judge said that. Every judge don't
think the same. It's subjective. This judge say no, Marcella.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
I don't. I don't agree with this.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
And this is why and then another judge say, I
don't agree with what they said, and this is why.
And then an attorney comes in and say, well, in
Kansas they said this, well we lord, yeah, but let's
live at what Kansas said.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
And then another judge say, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
I kind of agree what Kansas say is so change
our common law here?

Speaker 2 (43:07):
You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
So, yeah, I'm all is very uh yes, it's not
lost of medical school got to be the sharpest to
go there.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
But it's very clear. The bone is the bone, you know.
That's it.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
That's it, that's the ball, it's the burde braate or
whatever it is. Yes, you gotta know how do you
fix it? And how can be this and that? And
you know, nobody's saying they don't have conflict south, you know,
damn okay, this word, Okay.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
I didn't try this, Let me try this, let me
try that. Really, you know, how do you come up
with curable things?

Speaker 3 (43:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Nobody, but that's on the scientist side of things, you know,
but even a good doctor's gonna take you through. Okay,
this didn't work, and let's try this, let's try that.
So I'm not saying you don't don't require this type
of thinking. What I'm saying is law school is broader
in the sense that it's always gonna be fifty do.
Everything we do has both sides of the coin. You know,

(44:00):
everything is brain surgery, or it feels like it is,
if that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Where one thing may.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Be just the common cold sniffles this that an attorney, Okay,
it's the common cold. But how did you get the cold?
Where were you at, where you got the cold? All
those things matter? Who were you next to? Are they
liable for giving you the cold? Is that called transferable liability?
Who do we have pay this medical bill?

Speaker 4 (44:30):
Is it you?

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Is it the healthcare and assurance? Is it the person
you got the cold from? And then how did they
get the cold? Did they do it intentional? You know
that's called intent, the intentional intent. Did they know what
substantial certainty? I'm giving you things that we are literally
learning about in real time, general intent, specific intent. What
substantial certainty did you know then when you had COVID?

(44:54):
You know damn well you had COVID. You came to
stand by me. Now, you didn't intend for me to
get cold COVID, but you knew you had it with
substantial enough certainty to know that it's a possibility that
me standing next to you, you said you could possibly
get COVID.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
So I know enough to know that.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
So can I make you liable or can be the
person that says I know I got COVID. I intentionally
want to make sure that you get COVID. I'm going
to drink out of drink and I'm gonna leave a
drink next to you, knowing you gonna pick it up
because I want you to get COVID. Two different intentions.
You know, people actually do that, like with HIV. That's
a difference between you somebody going to jail, you.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Know something like you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (45:34):
What did you know what enough substantial certainty that this
could cause harm?

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Or did you do it flat out intitially? Do it
all of those things? Matt.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
And that's an example of how a cold can be
looked at totally different than a medical doctor. That's you know,
fixing the problem of the cold. We're trying to figure
out all of the things that caused it. Why, what
is that you know?

Speaker 2 (45:57):
And the solution? And now we need to know that
the rule?

Speaker 4 (46:00):
What is the rule?

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Moving forward? Okay, COVID, everybody gotta wear masks. You know,
we got to set a rule. How do we get
everybody to China? They wear masks all the time they've
been on COVID time, you know, they you know, they
always wear masks because they just believe in that's how
they get out.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
So I said, we ain't gonna wait on x y
Z no, no pandemic. We believe in keeping jarb you know.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Next, like food, I wish fool people would always wear
a mask for real, especially when they talk all my food,
like shit, the chip pole and all that. I think
they should always have on masks. I really really wish
that would be missed. So those types of things, what
is the rule? How do we create the law? That's
why you see attorneys often going to politics and they're like, Okay,
I'm tired of arguing this rule. I'm wanna go make

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the rule and that that is what will serve me well.
Because my mind is set up on the how, and
so a lot of people. Let say you were intern
and you work at a law firm and you know
how to file motions and do all of that, but
then you come to law school.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
You never had the learned the why it became what
it became.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
That's the part that served me well, because the why
is what I do? Why is this this way? Why
did this become the law? How do we make it different?
How do we change it? And then the attorney takes
it and says, this is the law. We need to
make sure you follow the rule of law, and that's why.

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Then we'll wrap it up. That's why a lot of
attorneys get in trouble.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
When they want to be when they have to.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Marry that line between politician and an actual judge, our attorney.
Perfect state is a perfect example. The state attorney Ameress
y'aller in Orlando. She's a state attorney. She lost her
seat because a politician in her did not believe in
the death penalty. So she was, you know, doing it

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how she wanted to do it. And the governor said,
if you're going to do it the way the lass
say do it, this is not about if you want
to change it, go change.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
But you are duly elected as a.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
State attorney to uphold the rule of law whether you like,
whether you think it's fair or not. You need to
go be a state legislator. Then go be a state
representative to change it. But if you are going to
be elected as a state attorney, yes you can do
things the way you want to do it. But they
saw her going too far and not following the rule
of law when it came to the death penalty.

Speaker 5 (48:23):
So would it have been different is she would have
just not gave the death penalty, but not voice to opinion.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Well, it wasn't about.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Boys and opinion, and you can go google because I
don't want to get it wrong. Wasn't about boys and opinion.
She was not following procedure, you know what I mean?
Like it's wasn't about saying I don't think the death
penalty is good or bad. When you run a state attorney,
you say what you can say, what you believe in
and all that bottom line is not about what you
believe in. The law is the law. I can say

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I don't believe in. Like the day where I said,
Marcella said, you're telling me.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
You wouldn't leave if you made a million dollars.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
I don't agree to that.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
I said, you ain't got to unlikely, But that's what
it is. You don't mean. The law is the law,
the rule of law. And I know It's confusing because
right now, Trump a following no rule of law.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
But you know, the rule of law is the actual
rule of law. But see he went and got the
court on his side. He got them to break the
rule of law. So he is the rule of law.
And that's that's why they say dictatorship a ruler. You
know he got them on board. He really said, you
ain't gotta worry about I'll not go try to convince

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you is right or wrong.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
I'm just gonna go.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
That's why we were telling Biden, stacked courts, get another
liberals on the court, expand the Supreme Court.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
They don't want to do that. No, let's follow the rules.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Okay, well, Trump said, way, following no rules. I'm stacking
the court. So even if you're district judges agree with
what y'all saying, that top Supreme on my side whom
they gonna put. I say, that's that's the kind of
mindset he got.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Said up.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
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