June 26, 2025 • 52 mins
Check out this lively debate on how in politics it is important to understand that everything we say can and will be used against us and how to choose your words wisely.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yet to ask you a question.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Real, let's just keep it real, straight shot with No
Chaser and I'm gonna get a little bit rougher. I'm
here for it. Those who really believed in the American process,
all of us street Shot No Chase with your girl
Tensel figure out on the Black Effect podcast network, didnt
even know everybody. Straight Shot No Chaser. Marcellus and I
uh here pulled in a couple of folks for a
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quick live studio audience as we record Straight Shot No Chaser.
I thought this was a great opportunity to do a
quick training for those of you that heard the exchange
that I had a moment ago on uh Instagram live
between uh my good friend Devin, who is who's ran
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for office there in Atlanta, and I want to continue
the conversation. So I'm gonna use this as a training tool,
not to embarrass Devin or anything like that. I know
he would love to come on the live and talk
about it, but we're gonna use this as a training opportunity.
Marcella's and why the training is critically important, especially for
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candidates who are running for office like Devon, who has
ran for city council. I believe in Orlando, I mean
in Atlanta. Have you heard the live earlier we were
talking about and I'm going to get to that in
a moment. We were talking about progressive candidates not spending
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money on black outreach, and I want to be clear
for those of you who are new to me, new
to my world, welcome Marcella's. You might want to give
them the tutorial that anybody can get it at rehime.
I am not in love with these candidates the way
that you guys are. I will definitely speak truth to power.
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I will definitely be fair, but I will always and
I need somebody in the chat to put always, always
ask where is the bag when it comes to black outreach.
That goes for black progressives, that goes for black moderates,
they go for Black Republicans, They go for the Black
Green Party, they go for the Black Tea Party, they
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go for the Black Kitchen Soup party. That go who else?
The Collar of Green Party, the Yams Party? Who else?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Martina? Who miss Meg? The dreads.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I like you like to call is stuffing. I know,
Mathew like to call the stuffing the stuffing party. I
don't give a damn and I need somebody to help
me in the comments. Cheslem Figuaro, don't give a damn
what you represent, blood souewoop business, crip what upcuz pi
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rule you be in rolling sixties, rolling thirty four five
six powru it brims. It don't matter whoever you are,
whatever flag you represent. I am always going to ask
what's happening with the black dollar?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Always. It's no shade against y'all, whoever youall favorite candidate
is of the hour. It's just a simple question that
I'm going to ask every time, every time, what's happening?
Well every time. So when I made the statement, the
black progress that progresses once again should have to the
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hoovers in the building. We're doing the roll call today. Yeah,
we got to do the roll call because it don't
matter who you are, whoever can get the fade. I
just need some of my bloods and crips in the car.
Whoever can get the fade. It's always a fade available,
and it goes to the candidates first, never to the voter.
When it comes to me. Welcome to somebody that actually
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likes to give the fades to the candidates. I said
what I said, and I meant what I said, which is,
overall the money is not spent on black outreach. Now, Marcella's,
I had a long caption. They didn't read the caption,
so I took it out because I saw they didn't
want to read the course materials in the caption. As always,
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I said, let me take out. Let me just be
real plain and clear that if he did not do
and I've also made it clear I set the premise
up in the beginning that said, I don't I'm not
speaking on New York politicians of New York politics.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Did I not correct?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I said, I'm not talking about New York politics. I'm
saying overall, they do not spend the money to get
out the vote. So guys, we call it GOTV called
get out the vote. And overall the people in charge
of the money the white liberals and the white progressives
cause so it ain't black people that are in charge
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with the money. They get very little to black media,
to black organizations, to black outreach to get out the vote. Now,
immediately people started coming into comments Marcella's saying, well, you know,
older voters need to figure out what they want. The
question is we need to be asking why older voters
vote this way and why they vote that way, and
what's wrong with the vote? Y'all missed it. It went over
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your head. In order to convince an older voter, a
younger voter, a toddler voter, a teenage voter, a middle
aged voter, a pre teen voter, a whoever voter. And
this is why y'all need to be in the training
teslmfigure out dot com. It is money allocated for each
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voter to hear a message. Do y'all know that? Put
a five in the chat? Maybe people don't know that,
And that's why y'all need to come to the training.
If I raise five thousand dollars and I say I
have to reach six hundred and seventy six hundred candidates
six hundred. Let's say my win number is six hundred
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and I only and I say, what is the cost?
And I want you all to really get this. I'm
giving y'all this free training, but y'all really got to
come to my class. Not only do we talk about
this in my class, I also talk about how to
implement this in a real way. This is not about
just talking, guys. It's a real strategy which Devin knows.
So that's why I was confused on what he's even
talking about. When Michelle ran her race Marcella's that I
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helped her with last year, and she got on the
ballot sixty days, we know we needed to meet. We
needed to touch X amount of voters. X amount of
voters requires a certain amount of money. You don't have
to have a lot of money, but it requires a
certain amount of money. Meaning if I go print all
five hundred flyers, you know at Kinko's, that's a cost. Correct, Yep,
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that's a call. You're correct, I think I said, Jeremy
to the zero zero five. It is a cost, even
if it is with Michelle Watley, who spent it out
of her own her own pocket. She had to spend
let's just say, a dollar for every flyer that was printed.
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She didn't raise any money because she got on sixty days,
So it was six hundred dollars And I'm just doing
a rough estimate, six hundred dollars a dollar a flyer
to go get those brochures on somebody's debt, on somebody's
door every day. Put a five in the chat. If
that's making prain sense to you, the flyers don't disappear Marcella's.
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It's not what people are saying in the car. We
just gotta each one teach one. That's not how organizing works.
That's not how it works. Organizing is an actual strategy,
an actual budget, and don't have to be but an
actual plan, an actual field plan, an actual when you, guys,
when you win a war, let me tell you something,
as a veteran, do you think we just sitting back
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saying each one teach one? Or is there a plan
in place? Guys? The air force has a plan, our
plan at the air force. Air Force, we monitor the
air I mean when we need a certain amount of
recruits to come in, we need a certain amount that's
gonna protect the planes. We need a certain which was
my job, by the way, M sixty. Gonna protect a plane,
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need a certain aount of people that's gonna fly the planes.
They need salaries, they gotta eat, We gotta take care
of them. They need benefit. Are y'all following me? Put
a five in the chat? Then we got the air
taken care of. Let me use that in a candidate standpoint,
the air If we're gonna use a candidate analogy the
air would be like, what guys advertisement advertisement? Thank you sweetheart,
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So the air let's use it in a candidates standpoints.
The air would be the Air Force would be advertisement.
It costs money to advertise, even if you're advertising on
Facebook for five dollars an ad. I'm not even talking
about big let's dumbness down the just local. If you
ran a race tomorrow, okay, Marcella's Facebook ad, We're gonna
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spend five dollars a day over thirty days. That's advertisement.
That's the Air Force. Then, in order to win the
war with the United States military, we need what the
army on the ground. See, boots on the ground is
not just a song. It's a real thing with boots
actually on the ground. So the Marines and the Air Force,
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the Marines a few good men and the Army are
the two branches that lead infantry on the ground. And
it doesn't mean that the Air Force is never on
the ground, because I tell you all the time, spe
we add infantry as well. But the two that lead
on the ground would be the Marines a few good
men meaning all of y'all can't be a marine. We're
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gonna get to that in a minute. Which is why
I be telling y'all in the comments respectfully. It's levels
to this because in order to be the difference between
being a marine and in the army is your physical fitness.
Somebody in the comments put physical fitness. So no, brother,
I'm not trying to shade you when I say I'm
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bringing more agile, physical fitness to the conversation. Meaning I've
just done more, had more experience outside of one region
doesn't mean I'm better. It doesn't mean I'm diminishing you, Devin.
It means I'm telling you I was in the room.
I need somebody to help me in the room. I
was in the room when these progressives were deciding how
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they were going to spend money on black voters. Doesn't
mean that what you say in Atlanta is not valuable.
It just means that my physical fitness, my ability, agility,
my qualification to be a marine is different than an
air force. I'm on a different ground level, which is
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why so when Devon says I was on the ground, Yeah,
you was on the ground and in the air in
the Army. I was on the ground as a marine.
It's levels to this. It's not about a disrespect, it's
understanding where you are in this guys. That's why I
push the line has a logo, marcellis with each person
somebody pushing the P, the you, the s, the h
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we all have a job to do. I am never
thinking I'm above anybody, Marcelli's because if that's the case,
you wouldn't be sitting here with me as a co
host on a weekly basis. And I met you in
a comment section. What no radio experience, right, So this
is not about diminishing somebody. Move your insecurities out the way.
Let's deal with the issue at hand. Welcome to class.
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Somebody put a five in the chat if you're in
class this evening. So my perspective on saying with the
the new progressive movement that was supercharged by Bernard Sanders,
we all agree, right, he was the one that woke
up this progressive momentum with organizing more progressives ever in
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our generation, Bernie Sanders. So I'm giving you my perspective
of being in the room with the only ten people
who were black in the room with Bernie Sanders in
twenty fifteen when nobody knew who the hell Bernie Sanders was.
So that means my view is going to be different
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than Devin's view in Atlanta. It's not about diminishing him.
It's just we need to understand. I am in the
Marines and you are in the Army. It doesn't mean
that we're both not on the ground. We're seeing different perspectives.
Does that make sense yep. So I clearly laid out
in the caption I'm not talking about New York because
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that's for New York to figure out. I don't know
enough about New York politics. I tell y'all what I
know and what I don't know. There are some things
that go across the board that you can apply in
any city, any state. But I was not speaking on
New York politics. I was simply saying the data that
came out and said that Zaurun, as they put out
his name, did not do well with black voters. And
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I simply said, I'm not speaking on New York because
I don't know. But what I do know is progressive
continue to fail at black outreach. And I also was
fair across the board marcellis and said this also goes
for motteries as well. But my experience being a marine
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with working on the ground with the white multi millionaire
consultants that decided who should get the money, why, where,
what in twenty fifteen, I'm giving you that experience from
a overall view, not a local view. It was not
about minimizing what Devin said in his Atlanta experience. It
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has nothing to do with that. Take the personal off
the table. It was about me saying that my experience
on progressives and what they do not spend with black outreach,
old young are indifferent. If it's six hundred dollars to
print off the flyers, if it's we need to hire
some folks instead of asking volunteers and knock on doors,
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if it's we need to give pizza, we need to
give donuts, we need to give whatever, you know, whatever
it is, I'm saying they don't spend the money. That's
what I'm saying. I'm saying that for moderates. I'm saying
that for progressives, but particularly progressives, because progressives is a
newer model. If you will, if we go by looking
at what Bernie Sanders started in twenty fifteen to now,
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if y'all agree with that, put a five in the
chat where moderates have been taking advantage of black voters
for years because you know, black people have been Democrats
centrist for the most part, but they have a little
bit more roots in on the ground because they were
you know, they've been you know, doing on the groundwork longer,
which is fair, which is why I push even harder
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for progresses to do more, to spend money on the ground.
So I was very clear in laying out this is
not about New York because it is very important Devon
when we lay things out because to Devin, and I'll
tell y'all our conversation we had a great conversation offline
and said, this is not the court of law. It
actually is the court of law. And Devin, you as
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a candidate, I want you to move as if you're
in the court of law at all times. This is
why they say what you say can what be.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
You in the court of law.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
And I particularly want you guys, especially candidates who you know,
I love you, Devin, and I'll let you gives. I
know you dine and say something. But this is just
being the student posture and listen just for a moment.
It's very important that when you say things that you
are that you stand on those things and you can
back it up with evidence. Because the one thing that
a black man needs is evidence. You're what I'm telling yah,
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I'm saying this would love is og love the one
thing that black men and I'm gonna say it again,
the one thing black women too. But the one thing
in case y'all not looking at what's happening every day,
the one thing death. And the reason why I want
you to stand on this, baby, is because the one
thing that you need is a black man in America
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is evidence. And if you do not have that learn behavior,
I wish I had a witness in the building. If
I am not teaching you that learn behavior, I make
Marcellus do it all the time. Guys, I want you
to have that learn behavior, that it is in your walk,
in your talk. I won't give a damn if you
at the barbershop, I won't give a shit if you
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just having a random debate about who's the best ball
player of all times, who's the best this, who's the
best lyricists of all time? I need black people, especially
black men, that when things come out of your mouth,
that you are able to back it up with evidence,
because America is going to make you stand on it.
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We actually are in the court of law put a
five in the chat. If you agree, I'm gonna let
you come on, Devin, but I want you to hear
me first from love, because I'm concerned about you, and
this is from love. You made the statement, and when
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we're gonna move over to the progressive part, because him
and I both agree on that. You made the statement
that killer Mike chose Kemp over Stacy Abrams, and I said,
show me the evidence of that, because that is not true.
And you sent a very long dissertation, very long thesis
about how he could have been a better supporter, and
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I'm paraphrasing a better advocate, a more enthusiastic person for Abrams,
a more let's just say, a better community leader. I
want you to hear me. Good, Devin. You have every
right to feel that way. The debate, or what I
asked you to show me evidence was not evidence on
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if he was not the best community person in your
subjective opinion. The evidence was not based upon could he
have been more favorable to Stacy Abrams in your opinion.
The evidence was not called for to the court about
should he had not praised Kemp. So when you explained,
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you said yourself literally although he did not endorse Kemp.
He still could have blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
And that is my only point, Devin. And when I
said what you said would not hold weight in the
court of law, and you said, this is not the
court of law, it actually is, brother, Because you must,
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especially as a candidate, you must have the mindset and
think like an attorney. I give an example in lawyering Fundamentals,
one of our classes, it says, come up with who
what makes a great song? Now, many of y'all will say,
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what's the greatest song of all time? Who's the greatest
player of all time? You know why I don't have
those debates, Devin and Marcella's because I don't like conversations
without rules. Somebody gonna say Lebron, somebody gonna say AI,
somebody gonna say Jordan's. You know, somebody gonna say. I
don't like those barbershop conversations, Devin. So when you talk
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to me, you gotta narrow down the scope. We gotta
identify the rules. And identifying the rules means what genre
are we talking about? What are we talking about? I mean,
that's the song? What are we talking about stats, who
makes the best player? Are we talking about overall? Who's
the best human being overall?
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Right?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Are we talking about who who is the greatest of
all the time? Because Muhammad Ali did what many many
others would never do. Are we just talking about how
many punches got landed? Are we talking about who took
the Do y'all follow what I'm saying? Put a five
in the chat. You must establish the rules. See, you
cannot just throw something out to me and think I'm
not gonna ask you for the evidence, and black Man,
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you need evidence. Yeah, the reason why the d trial
right now, why they had to drop some of those
charges is because what y'all the lack of lack of evidence.
You cannot afford to say things out your mouth that
you can't back up with evidence. Because I need you
to be thinking like that, Devin, because you are a candidate,
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and you speak often, and the words you say can
and will be and should be expected to be used
against you. So if you want to premise it and
say killer Mike was not the best community partner or
the best community member, or did not support Stacy Abrams
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the way I think he would, you have no argument
with me on that the argument came from he supported
Kemp over Stacy Abrams and you said, well that's just semantics. No, no, no, See,
black men been hanged over semantics. I wish I had
a five in the chat. Black men have been persecuted
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over semantics. Black people have been misunderstood over semann. I
wish I had somebody who was a witness black people,
because see, when you sit in front of that jury appears.
See one person says semantics marcellis. Another one says, show
me where the law is. Another one say show me
where the rico is. Another one say, well, that's domestic violence.
Another one say, well did he really call? See. We
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got to be real careful when it comes down to semantics.
You don't have to like somebody. You can disavow what
they do. You can say I don't agree with how
they move. You can say, well, up to me, I
would have done something different. I don't have no problem
none of that. You said, Devin, the issue came in
he did not endorse kept over aprons. And that was
the only thing that I was set out to prove
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and the only evidence that you didn't provide. That's it,
and that's all. But what I want you to know,
is a black man in America who is in politics.
You must know it's the court of law. You must
know that. You must know that. You must know that
we cannot, especially as political leaders, we cannot just blurt
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things out and not back it up with the receipt.
It's best to say, oh, I'll get back to you,
or hey, this is my opinion, or set the premise
up in the beginning, like I did with the post
when I said I'm not speaking of New York, I'm
speaking of overall. Now, if you chose not to read it,
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if you chose to skip the five print, that's on you,
which is why we talk about that in course four
of five, which is legal and compliance. If you chose
to ignore the rule that I set forth, that's on you.
But I set the rule very plain and clear that
I was speaking overall, and y'all took the comments in
a whole nother direction. But that was on y'all. That
was not on me. Let's bring Steven Devon to the stage.
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This is recorded as a reminder for straight Shadow Chaser podcasts. Hey, Devin,
thank you for listening, and thank you for holding the
space of court. Your faith no, I'm recording.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Speak up.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Just say what you need to say, honey.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
All right.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
So on the point about those particulars or whether or
not he gave an official endorsement Brian Camp over Stacy Abrams,
you were one hundred and fifty percent correct. He did
not give an official endorsement to Brian Camp over Stacey eight.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
So I can see that point.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Okay, that's all, And your opinion is valid. Like, you're
not the first one that I that I heard that
said they were disappointed in Mike. You're not the first
one that said more should have been done. In fact,
I believe that's what compelled him to say, okay, to
reach out to Stacy's campaign and say come to the
west side what she never did. By the way, but
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he can argue that point. But I was not in
any way minimizing your perspective. What I was saying is
we have to be careful black man of just saying
things as fact, because I don't want them to do
that to you. No, and that's hard.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
I think the piece that I wanted to communicate, and
this is about the broader conversation around progressivism.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
You know, I feel like.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
As someone who has contributed to the progressive movement, has
run as a progressive as knows what it's like to
receive some of that institutional support from her aggressive organizations
like Democratic Socialism of America. You know, I when people
call themselves progressive, and I actually don't even know killing
my coffee self are progressive. But when people call themselves
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a progressive, I think it's important that we have to
look at the receipts of progressive behavior. And like I said,
I don't think you know, supporting your right to bear
arms doesn't.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Make you progressive.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
I believe in black people's right to bear arms and
for self determination.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
That's a key part of that.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
With that being said, you know when Stacey, when you're
well known in twenty twenty two, you're down and out,
you're close, you in a tight election, when someone gives
with a platform like killo Mike gets on a national
platform and gives credit to your opponent and says nothing
about you, well, in my mind, as a candidate, I
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know how that's gonna feel. I know how that shows up.
And this shows up as you are supporting my opponent
over me.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Okay, well, well I'm well, let's deal with rules. Because again,
I like rules. I'm not talking about what shows up.
We don't even have to religate that. I hear what
you're saying, and I agree, But the bottom line is
he did not support Kemp over Stacy and I just
deal with the facts. But I want but I hear
what you're saying what shows up because we know that
p R is a real thing, perception of reality, it's
a real thing. But we were only debating if he
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endorsed or not. But I want to go back to
what you said because this is a really healthy part
of the of the argument when you said, if somebody's
not showing up like a progressive, so let let and
I and I love this and I can't wait to
unpack this. There is no where is and see again,
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this is where it goes for the rules. Where is
the I believe. Let me let me say this. One
reason why I don't do YouTube is because there's no entry.
Everybody can do it. Anybody can say they're they're a podcast,
or anybody can say they got a show. Anybody can
say they're a political anybody can say. You know why
I don't like that, Devin, is because I don't like
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anybody can do anything. I actually like very clear rules.
One reason why I do not support shout out to
doctor Steve Perry in the building. One reason I don't
support honorary degrees is because those who don't understand that
an honorary degree and somebody running around calling themselves doctor
is not the same thing as doctor Steve Perry. And
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it's one reason why I refuse to get my PhD,
because I want no confusion between me with a PhD
and some comedian that got honorary doctrine. No disrespect, but
I believe in very clear rules. Let me go further.
I joked today with my friend Michelle, who said, put
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some respect in her junior ROTC. I said, I will
not be putting respect on your junior ROTC because you
are not a veteran and no more than people than
the Divine nine looks at Capital Sweethearts as a real sorority.
I will not be looking at you as a soldier.
With that said, there is no process to determine what
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is a progressive and what is not. Leer me out, Okay,
so your opinion on Hey, if you're saying you're a progressive,
but you ain't showing a like progressive there's no there
has been no process to say. And this is one
reason why I don't like political parties, by the way,
because when you are a Democrat, they actually do want
you to sign as you know, these are the things
that you say you support and don't support. There is
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no progressive movement that has progressive candidates that actually have
a This is what you need to do to be
a progressive voter or a progressive candidate. So the bottom
line moral to the story is anybody can say they
whatever the hell they want to say, and you can
say I disagree, they're not a progressive, and somebody else
say where they are prepared. In fact, we saw many
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monerists do this. We saw many monitorists come out and say, well,
you know, I'm a progressive because I believe in but
but guess what. But guess what though he can say
it's progressive because progressives have not defined any rules to
determine what is and what ain't. See and this applies.
See I love this type of talk, Devin, because in
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act to actually be a blood, let's put it to
the hood so that everybody can know, so that everybody
can know that the rules apply across the board. On
any game you want to be a part of, and
if you want to be a blood, somebody need to
put you on or endorse you. You need to get
beat up, or you need to fight your way in,
or you need to pay your way in. There is
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a process to getting in. So because there's no process
to being what a progressive is or ain't, you can say, well,
she not of progressive, but you don't get to determine
it because y'all don't have no rules. So until the
progressive movement, like I keep telling over and over, y'all
need to go over, especially black, go over to the
Green Party and define the rules. That's what I say.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Oh, I think a couple.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
I thinks one part of the reason why I feel
comfortable in calling myself a progressive is because I know
what it's like to be endorsed by progressive institutions that
have a standard of like, these are the things, the
type of policies that you need to support as a candidate.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
But those are for those institutions. But you're meeting the
mark for those institutions. So if McDonald's says, in order
to get a McDonald's endorsement, you need to eat three cheeseburgers. Okay,
I got I met or exceeded what's required for the
McDonald's endorsement. But that doesn't mean that I get endorsements
from Wendy's and Burger King and everybody else that makes
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a hamburger. Because in fact, somebody could argue that the
organizations that said that you were progressive, there's somebody saying
that they ain't progressive. There's somebody saying, well, no, they're
actually socialist.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
You have that going on right now, right gott of
the Democratic Socialists of America and Working Families parties, that's
right back or oftentimes about who is more progressive than another.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
And I love what somebody said in the chat that progressive.
A part of it is that progressive isn't mine.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Your point is be mindsets are subjective, that's right, so
we're clear.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
So when we say that, so all I just want
to know is it fair or not fair? I just
don't think it's fair for anybody to say such and
such is not a progressive if they're saying they're progressive.
Now what I think the reframing can be according to
my standard. I just like words to be clear. If
you say, according to yeah, yeah, I just like words
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to be clear. And it could even be in the hood.
I can say, according to my according to what I
know about being a blood from the nineties in Inglewood,
such and such rapper do not qualify according to what
it means to be a blood. In nineteen ninety when
Chris Big Blown Chris and his big age became a
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blood Chris Brown, he actually went and fought the homies
in in jail for that reason, because he wanted to
check the box to say I've done, you know, what's
required to be considered what we call reputable. And I
know many people are saying, why are you using gangs
as a example, Well, because politics are gangs, absolutely, and
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it's all tribalism, and gangs actually have more, sometimes more
organization than so called That's right. You don't, Yeah, you
don't get to just be a GD in Chicago just
wake up one day and say I'm a GD.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
So and I'm saying this, and I think a part
of it is a couple of things.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
One.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
You know, to some extent, the progressive organizations that do exist,
maybe with the exception of the Green Party, are relatively
younger in their conception than the more traditional parties and
even the fashions that exist within the traditional Democratic Republican Party.
So I think some of this has just changed, and
the fact that these are newer institutions that are getting
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their legs and so they should be listening to you,
particularly as somebody who has worked for someone like Burning Standards,
you know, who.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Had this national platform. So I agree with that piece.
I feel like for me, why I say and I
speak from I use I statement why I how I.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Judge progressivism is oftentimes rounded in the platforms and priorities
of institutions like the Working Families Party and like the
Democratic Socialists of America, because.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
There is some standard, there's something on paper there.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
You know, when I got endorsed that had to sign
something that said a pledge that I'm going to do
these things. It collected and so there is somewhat of
a standard. Do I think that that needs to be
amplified and increased because you're right, Zoran Will he could
win in November and it will be a major, you know, benefit.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
To the progressive movement.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
But if he if there is not what you say,
that standard that people can easily identify and say, this
is what a progressive is right and hold him accountable right,
and hold him accountable. And so when I said that
I didn't consider of my progressive.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
It was based on what I know.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
I had found, the policy that I had committed myself to,
and how some of the officials that he has supported
has either stood in opposition of that.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Opposed to you.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
No, I got that, And and my only argument is
he was not. Because somebody says I supported a program
you did does not mean that I support you and
everything you do and I and it is very important.
And now I will say that's one thing that progresses
that they do.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Do that.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
If I'm going to generalize this all or nothing purist
tests and and that's that's very bad. Because I can
say I support this program you put together, what she
did with Kemp. That doesn't mean I support everything you
know you bring to the table, and so and and
and that. And I like to use relationships as examples
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because when people hear politicians, they get caught up in that.
You know, I can say in my relationship, ninety percent
of everything you do is on point. You know, if
I if I rank the things that are most important,
if I use ranked voting in my relationship, the things
that are most important to me you do well. That
mean that don't mean I like everything you do, but
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it does mean that I like this.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
He's being married, and my wife tells me about that
all the times.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
I don't have to love everything you do in order
to support.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
People, right, And it doesn't mean right, and it doesn't
mean that I don't love you. And so we have
to have some nuances. That's why nothing's getting done in politics,
because there's no nuance to say I support this, but
(35:45):
I'm not necessarily in favor in this. And so when
you say he's supported Kemp, that's where I took issue
because that, as you said, Howard reads, is I support
all things Kemp does when that wasn't the case, when
he would simply talking about one particular thing that he
may have agreeved.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
That's all the piece set that you're talking about here
around nuance is something that we get all benefit from
because I do think that there were some folks who
took support this program right and the absence of saying
that I support something that Stacey did right before a
major election, and there were a lot of black men,
black voters who were like, oh, he supports Brian camp.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
I had these conversations.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I was there.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
I saw I think you know to your point, like
we as progressive need nuanced because I can't stand the
all or nothing mentality either. Right, there are some pieces,
there's some progressives who will say, if you're not a
completely an anti capitalist, then you can't be a part
of this tent.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
And I'm like, that's not realistic.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Yet if capitalism was too far, some aspects of capitalism
is still going to exist in whatever new should be created.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
And let me give a real time example. If you
don't mind, I'm only saying it because you made it public.
But I think this is a perfect example. You said,
since you've been married, the LGBT invites stopped coming. So
that's not fair. So everything that you've supported now that
you're married, now all of a sudden, you see, how
do they go now all of a sudden? Oh, I
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guess now you can't. You don't wrong with me or
y'all don't think I support you because I'm doing something
that maybe not all of y'all do. So that's why
I like to use relationships as examples. We have to,
and especially when it comes to black people, I'm particularly
talking about black people because the bottom line is white people. Yea,
we talking about black people because white people run the
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progressive movement, the modern movement, the Republican mo they run
it off. But what black people we must We have
to show each other some grace when it comes to nuance,
because all we know is nuance. All we know is
do a little bit of this and a little bit
of that, from cooking, from cooking our food to let
me put a little bit of lour re seasons all
to a little bit of pepper, to a little bit
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of that. No, we know, right, All we know is
a little bit of this and a little bit of that.
So I just want us in the black political space
to not be so quick to say, Okay, he was
against her and he went with the white man, when
number one, it was not true. However, you can certainly
say I did not like the way he did not
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speak up for her in that moment. I don't like
the way he advocated or he did support say what
he liked about Camp and didn't say what he liked
about Stacy. You got every right to say that, because
you know what my answer is to that. Y'all wan't
get to tell me what to say and how to
say it no time. So that's my answer.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
I've been in the same situation with other people.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
There's times where I'm going to because you know, I'm
a lobbyist. I've been a candidate for office, and so
in order for me to get things done in the legislature,
there's gonna be times where I have to talk to
people and lean on my relationships that I have with
people who are not of the same political affiliation. If
you get anything done in the Georgia legislature, there's a
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Republican that you have to talk to.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
In order to get it done right.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
And so I do think that this all or nothing
piece is important. The one piece that I do want
to add is that, well, I know what it's like
to work with Republicans. I also know being the power
of my political capital. So, for example, if we are
in a moment right now with Brian kim On on
some shit, let's say it's medicaid expansion, We've got some
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Republicans to say, well, we'll support Medica expansion. Because Republicans
in other states have supported medicaid expansion, We're one of
the few states that have not, right, and I.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Just got some hit paths with Brian on some other thing.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Right right now we're in this big public fight about
Medicaid expansion.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
I'm going to toll the line.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
I'm not I'm not gonna praise Brian hit right now
because right now.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
We in this.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
I can praise them tomorrow after we sort through this,
but right now I can't get that.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
And and the key word is I. That's you. That's the
key word. So and so, all I'm saying is.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Just to use the political capital the way that fit.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
And guess what, you have the right to critique it all.
All I'm saying, right, all I'm saying is when it
comes to us and black people, when you was like,
oh this this ain't the court of law, that's like, no,
we gotta go live because I just want us to.
I want us to think what a legal mind. Seriously,
I really do, because they're gonna make They're gonna hold
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us to our words more than anybody, you know what
I mean. They're gonna hold us to our work.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
And we just we just don't get grace around it,
that's all. And so we can certainly critique people, we
can challenge people to be better. We can say you
should be a better advocate for X, y Z. You
can this, you can get. What I would say is
what I would caution people, and they can do what
they want to do. But what I would caution people.
What has what has not been working is people trying
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to what I've seen, bully people into saying what they
should and better do at all it makes them do. Yeah,
all it makes them do is say, well, you know what,
I'm never gonna do it just because so No, And
in fact, I.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Think we have that's another conversation.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
But I do think that part of the reason why
Trump this is not a new statement, but part of
the reason why Trump has a certain level of appeal,
and part of the reason why Zorn has the level
of appealing in New York is because people appreciate when
folks stay what's that.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
You agree with, staying on business right.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
And so I do feel like there's a piece of
that where like, you know, killing my key, he defended himself,
he explained himself on the view. You know, some people
felt like that suffice, other people didn't. And that's fine.
That doesn't mean that I also lead from this lens
that I don't view.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Black people as disposal.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
So even if I don't agree with you today, it
doesn't mean that I can't work on some shit with
you tomorrow on something that I do agree with. And
I think that we do a disservice to our movement
and to the work that we have to do as
black people to get free when we feel like this
is all or nothing mentality, or because I've called you
out on something that I didn't like, then that means
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that we can't work together. Kill and Mike want to
call me right there and work on my god boys,
the dispensary program to get inst in Atlanta, to get
a dispensary license, a grower's license under the city so
that young black men can learn how to get in
the industry. And because of his connections at the state,
he can make that happen with the city and the state.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
I'm gonna work with it. I'm gonna advocate. We don't
even ever have to talk. He can go on to
meet with the governor. I'm gonna go to the meetings
at city level. I'm gonna get in front of the
local news.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
I'm gonna advocate, I'm gonna educate the public, and we're
gonna get it done. And I think that's where sometimes
it's political rhetoric. We lose that if we don't name
from the jump that just because I disagree with you
and I don't like everything that you did, doesn't mean
that I can't work for it.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Oh yeah, for sure. And my thing is the reason
why we lose that is because it becomes accusatory, out
the jibt and that, and that's all. That's all.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
I don't think that that's the reason because also the
other thing is, while I feel the way that I
feel about how killing Mike used or dedn't used his
political capital in twenty twenty two, ultimately.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Stacy Abrams was the one who was responsible to win
that race. No killing Mike, you know what I'm saying. Right, So,
like his endorsement wasn't necessarily gonna it might have made
a break yet, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
But ultimately it was her responsibility to win that race,
and her consultancs and the people who worked on the
campaign and all the folks who.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Donated to yeah, the white folks that the white folks
that was in charge, by the way, And that's all
I'm saying, you.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Know that, But a lot of the folks probably listening,
and they don't know that so many of these candidates,
including people that we like or.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Not, right, all of them, yeah, all of them. We
don't We don't have to say so many of them,
all of them. Yes, that's it, And that's my only
point that that was my only point of the original post.
That people win. In another direction is that it's not
about because when I respond to you about you know,
older voters, younger voters, No, what I'm saying, they don't
(44:21):
spend the money on young old in the middle bottom
line like they the money just need Yeah, the money
need to get spent. Yeah, the money need to get spent.
Don't need to been spent last minute, and need to
spend year round, right, year around. That was my only point.
And then my only point was he did not endorse Kemp.
But your your thoughts are valid. What you text me,
(44:42):
I'm not taking away from your perspective. Again, I've invited
you to revote several times, so I know what it is. No,
but I do know, But I want to say this publicly. No,
but I want to say this publicly because it's very important.
Like when somebody like when you like don't diminish what
I'm saying, because I'm like, no, I want to be clear.
If I diminished, I never do that, Like I before
you got on, I was saying, I'm not that type
(45:04):
of person. Marcelle's is my co host, no radio experience.
I met him from the comments. I don't diminish anybody's voice.
If I diminish your voice, you would have never been
invited on my show. So I'm not diminishing anybody. What
I'm saying is we're speaking from different lenses and it
it's important that we just hear each other out, want
to hear you know, like what where we're coming from,
what point we're trying to make. And then my overall
(45:26):
point was no, we gotta always back our stuff up
with evidence. And I'm just saying that just in general,
because they will hold us to everything we say. That's all,
and I just want that to be.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Not that I'm getting in trouble. But you know, if
you elected Christian be a legal counsel and retainer.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Better believe it. You better believe I want my money
up front.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
But but no, and so I'm gonna pay you on
time because I definitely don't want you looking for me
because I know you're right.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Yeah, that's true, that's true. But thank you for the
conversation that I appreciate you. Send love to your wife,
your beautiful baby, your family. Thank you for having the conversation.
This is why the training is so important. I saw
you win and looked at the free preview two guys.
But those of you come to the training. Yeah, come
to the training, guys, because we have got to understand
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how to organize. And that was the whole point of
this tonight's episode. I want people to know there's a
dollar associated Michelle is actually here in the comments. She
joined and I used her as an example. When she
ran for office in sixty days, she still had to
spend five hundred dollars on flyers and a lot of
people that I don't understand. There's a cost associated with that.
It's not just you know, each one teach one. No,
(46:39):
we actually have to spend money with flyers, knocking on doors, donuts, sandwiches.
There's money for outreach, and black people are always left
holding the bag with these multimillion dollar races. And so
I was just saying, I'm not surprised that he did well,
and I just don't want it to always be the quick. Well,
it's the black older voters. They just don't know. No,
(47:01):
let's look at these campaign finance support and see how
much money they spent in to organize black young voters.
They'll give you the answer. That'll give you the answer.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Yeah, that's true. And you know, I love Anthelis, I love.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
Being educated, and so it's nothing for me to come
to the training. Y'all need to come to the training.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Listen. I've done Congressional Black Confice training.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
That's great. Don venturin to training, great, all of the things.
I can even facilitate training. It doesn't matter what your
experience level is. You always need to increase your knowledge
and your skill set.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
Look, while you're learning from tense, you's gonna be learning
from people in these in these courts.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
Yeah, yeah, con with and so it's also a networking opportunity.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
So like get get get plugged in, gime plugged in,
yunk so much.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
All right, I appreciation to Devin, love you too, Okay,
all right, peace, Well guys, that was a great, great impromptu.
Uh we see Michelle's also joined us as well. I
was just talking about Michelle earlier when I was talking
about out again, Guys, organizing actually costs money. It's not
some each one teach one and we just need to
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talk about it more. No, even if you want to
organize people in the comments, it costs time to organize time.
It costs to get phone banking to get people on
the same page. Michelle, who's in the comments, real life candidate,
had to do this in sixty days. I was on
her head for sixty days. She did it out her
own pocket. Guys.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
So when I tell y'all that they are not spending
money on black candidates, I mean that I'm gonna stand
by that. I asked Michelle before, how much are you
willing to spend on this? Because Michelle, I will tell
y'all in real time. This way, y'all need to come
to the training. Michelle's actually one of my trainers. By
the way, they all star marce ellis with, well, how
much do you plan on running? Oh, I'm gonna run
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and raised about ten fifteen thousand. Bet okay, Now, how
much you're gonna spend your own money? Because you know
what I knew. The reality is the reality is if
you get on with only sixty days to win, whatever
she thought she was gonna get didn't get. God, that's
what they don't tell y'all in these trainings. Oh yeah,
all you gotta do is call this one and raised it. No,
the reality is, Michelle, how much are you winning to
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spend out your own pocket? That's what I asked my
candidates right out the gate. That's great, if you go
get that money, go get it, raised it, great, But
how much you gonna put on it? Cause we need
to know what the backup plan is. And if the
backup plan is Marcella's ain't got none on it, then hey,
we need to figure out something else because I need
to know what you got on it, because you know
what it came down to, Marcello's what Michelle had on it.
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Printing out her own brochures, taking them the kink oles
and printing them out for a dollar to make sure
them doors got flyed. That's the reality of running. And
so many candidates have done that on their own with
their own money, and they've organized black voters to believe
in their candidacy on the local level, and then these
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major campaigns come in, These major candidates come in, call
the Michelle and say, hey, mis why don't you help
get them, you know, them thousand people you got to
come to the polls. Why don't you come help them,
get us to the polls and come take a picture
with us. And they leave Michelle in the west spot.
They leave her to continue to organize on her own,
out her own pocket, and then y'all sit around in
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the college and say, just do it because it needs
to be done, do it because it's a laborer love. Meanwhile,
Michelle had to pay brothers and cousins and pay for
donuts and food out her pocket. This is the real
deal that what local candidates go through, and racists that
are nationalized that bring in millions and millions and millions
(50:40):
of dollars to help these people that y'all be sitting
up here defending don't spend a dollar on the ground
when it comes to local candidates like her who can
help bring an extra thousand people to the polls. That's
how it works. That's how it works, guys. And they
don't tell you that because they want you so called
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up in the Trump and Obama and michell of it all,
that they just completely don't tell you how it works.
When you're running for city council, State Rep. Like Devon
ran for city council. So Devin, she'll be able to say,
I can get two thousand people to show up x
y Z right now, but you got to pay to
get that done. Not him getting paid to Greece's palm
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and not like that, just literally paid, you know, like
literally the sandwiches, the donuts, the juice, paying people for
their time. No, they want us to do it, and
then when we don't show up the way they want
us to, well, you know that's the problem. Black people
don't show up. No, they don't show the money. And
I'm sick of that being on us. All Right, guys,
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Yet to ask you a question.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Real, let's just keep it real, straight shot with No
Chaser and I'm gonna get a little bit rougher. I'm
here for it. Those who really believed in the American process,
all of us street Shot No Chase with your girl
Tensel figure out on the Black Effect podcast network, didnt
even know everybody. Straight Shot No Chaser. Marcellus and I
uh here pulled in a couple of folks for a
(00:32):
quick live studio audience as we record Straight Shot No Chaser.
I thought this was a great opportunity to do a
quick training for those of you that heard the exchange
that I had a moment ago on uh Instagram live
between uh my good friend Devin, who is who's ran
(00:55):
for office there in Atlanta, and I want to continue
the conversation. So I'm gonna use this as a training tool,
not to embarrass Devin or anything like that. I know
he would love to come on the live and talk
about it, but we're gonna use this as a training opportunity.
Marcella's and why the training is critically important, especially for
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candidates who are running for office like Devon, who has
ran for city council. I believe in Orlando, I mean
in Atlanta. Have you heard the live earlier we were
talking about and I'm going to get to that in
a moment. We were talking about progressive candidates not spending
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money on black outreach, and I want to be clear
for those of you who are new to me, new
to my world, welcome Marcella's. You might want to give
them the tutorial that anybody can get it at rehime.
I am not in love with these candidates the way
that you guys are. I will definitely speak truth to power.
(01:59):
I will definitely be fair, but I will always and
I need somebody in the chat to put always, always
ask where is the bag when it comes to black outreach.
That goes for black progressives, that goes for black moderates,
they go for Black Republicans, They go for the Black
Green Party, they go for the Black Tea Party, they
(02:20):
go for the Black Kitchen Soup party. That go who else?
The Collar of Green Party, the Yams Party? Who else?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Martina? Who miss Meg? The dreads.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I like you like to call is stuffing. I know,
Mathew like to call the stuffing the stuffing party. I
don't give a damn and I need somebody to help
me in the comments. Cheslem Figuaro, don't give a damn
what you represent, blood souewoop business, crip what upcuz pi
(02:55):
rule you be in rolling sixties, rolling thirty four five
six powru it brims. It don't matter whoever you are,
whatever flag you represent. I am always going to ask
what's happening with the black dollar?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Always. It's no shade against y'all, whoever youall favorite candidate
is of the hour. It's just a simple question that
I'm going to ask every time, every time, what's happening?
Well every time. So when I made the statement, the
black progress that progresses once again should have to the
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hoovers in the building. We're doing the roll call today. Yeah,
we got to do the roll call because it don't
matter who you are, whoever can get the fade. I
just need some of my bloods and crips in the car.
Whoever can get the fade. It's always a fade available,
and it goes to the candidates first, never to the voter.
When it comes to me. Welcome to somebody that actually
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likes to give the fades to the candidates. I said
what I said, and I meant what I said, which is,
overall the money is not spent on black outreach. Now, Marcella's,
I had a long caption. They didn't read the caption,
so I took it out because I saw they didn't
want to read the course materials in the caption. As always,
(04:25):
I said, let me take out. Let me just be
real plain and clear that if he did not do
and I've also made it clear I set the premise
up in the beginning that said, I don't I'm not
speaking on New York politicians of New York politics.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Did I not correct?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I said, I'm not talking about New York politics. I'm
saying overall, they do not spend the money to get
out the vote. So guys, we call it GOTV called
get out the vote. And overall the people in charge
of the money the white liberals and the white progressives
cause so it ain't black people that are in charge
(05:02):
with the money. They get very little to black media,
to black organizations, to black outreach to get out the vote. Now,
immediately people started coming into comments Marcella's saying, well, you know,
older voters need to figure out what they want. The
question is we need to be asking why older voters
vote this way and why they vote that way, and
what's wrong with the vote? Y'all missed it. It went over
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your head. In order to convince an older voter, a
younger voter, a toddler voter, a teenage voter, a middle
aged voter, a pre teen voter, a whoever voter. And
this is why y'all need to be in the training
teslmfigure out dot com. It is money allocated for each
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voter to hear a message. Do y'all know that? Put
a five in the chat? Maybe people don't know that,
And that's why y'all need to come to the training.
If I raise five thousand dollars and I say I
have to reach six hundred and seventy six hundred candidates
six hundred. Let's say my win number is six hundred
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and I only and I say, what is the cost?
And I want you all to really get this. I'm
giving y'all this free training, but y'all really got to
come to my class. Not only do we talk about
this in my class, I also talk about how to
implement this in a real way. This is not about
just talking, guys. It's a real strategy which Devin knows.
So that's why I was confused on what he's even
talking about. When Michelle ran her race Marcella's that I
(06:34):
helped her with last year, and she got on the
ballot sixty days, we know we needed to meet. We
needed to touch X amount of voters. X amount of
voters requires a certain amount of money. You don't have
to have a lot of money, but it requires a
certain amount of money. Meaning if I go print all
five hundred flyers, you know at Kinko's, that's a cost. Correct, Yep,
(06:59):
that's a call. You're correct, I think I said, Jeremy
to the zero zero five. It is a cost, even
if it is with Michelle Watley, who spent it out
of her own her own pocket. She had to spend
let's just say, a dollar for every flyer that was printed.
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She didn't raise any money because she got on sixty days,
So it was six hundred dollars And I'm just doing
a rough estimate, six hundred dollars a dollar a flyer
to go get those brochures on somebody's debt, on somebody's
door every day. Put a five in the chat. If
that's making prain sense to you, the flyers don't disappear Marcella's.
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It's not what people are saying in the car. We
just gotta each one teach one. That's not how organizing works.
That's not how it works. Organizing is an actual strategy,
an actual budget, and don't have to be but an
actual plan, an actual field plan, an actual when you, guys,
when you win a war, let me tell you something,
as a veteran, do you think we just sitting back
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saying each one teach one? Or is there a plan
in place? Guys? The air force has a plan, our
plan at the air force. Air Force, we monitor the
air I mean when we need a certain amount of
recruits to come in, we need a certain amount that's
gonna protect the planes. We need a certain which was
my job, by the way, M sixty. Gonna protect a plane,
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need a certain aount of people that's gonna fly the planes.
They need salaries, they gotta eat, We gotta take care
of them. They need benefit. Are y'all following me? Put
a five in the chat? Then we got the air
taken care of. Let me use that in a candidate standpoint,
the air If we're gonna use a candidate analogy the
air would be like, what guys advertisement advertisement? Thank you sweetheart,
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So the air let's use it in a candidates standpoints.
The air would be the Air Force would be advertisement.
It costs money to advertise, even if you're advertising on
Facebook for five dollars an ad. I'm not even talking
about big let's dumbness down the just local. If you
ran a race tomorrow, okay, Marcella's Facebook ad, We're gonna
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spend five dollars a day over thirty days. That's advertisement.
That's the Air Force. Then, in order to win the
war with the United States military, we need what the
army on the ground. See, boots on the ground is
not just a song. It's a real thing with boots
actually on the ground. So the Marines and the Air Force,
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the Marines a few good men and the Army are
the two branches that lead infantry on the ground. And
it doesn't mean that the Air Force is never on
the ground, because I tell you all the time, spe
we add infantry as well. But the two that lead
on the ground would be the Marines a few good
men meaning all of y'all can't be a marine. We're
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gonna get to that in a minute. Which is why
I be telling y'all in the comments respectfully. It's levels
to this because in order to be the difference between
being a marine and in the army is your physical fitness.
Somebody in the comments put physical fitness. So no, brother,
I'm not trying to shade you when I say I'm
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bringing more agile, physical fitness to the conversation. Meaning I've
just done more, had more experience outside of one region
doesn't mean I'm better. It doesn't mean I'm diminishing you, Devin.
It means I'm telling you I was in the room.
I need somebody to help me in the room. I
was in the room when these progressives were deciding how
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they were going to spend money on black voters. Doesn't
mean that what you say in Atlanta is not valuable.
It just means that my physical fitness, my ability, agility,
my qualification to be a marine is different than an
air force. I'm on a different ground level, which is
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why so when Devon says I was on the ground, Yeah,
you was on the ground and in the air in
the Army. I was on the ground as a marine.
It's levels to this. It's not about a disrespect, it's
understanding where you are in this guys. That's why I
push the line has a logo, marcellis with each person
somebody pushing the P, the you, the s, the h
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we all have a job to do. I am never
thinking I'm above anybody, Marcelli's because if that's the case,
you wouldn't be sitting here with me as a co
host on a weekly basis. And I met you in
a comment section. What no radio experience, right, So this
is not about diminishing somebody. Move your insecurities out the way.
Let's deal with the issue at hand. Welcome to class.
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Somebody put a five in the chat if you're in
class this evening. So my perspective on saying with the
the new progressive movement that was supercharged by Bernard Sanders,
we all agree, right, he was the one that woke
up this progressive momentum with organizing more progressives ever in
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our generation, Bernie Sanders. So I'm giving you my perspective
of being in the room with the only ten people
who were black in the room with Bernie Sanders in
twenty fifteen when nobody knew who the hell Bernie Sanders was.
So that means my view is going to be different
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than Devin's view in Atlanta. It's not about diminishing him.
It's just we need to understand. I am in the
Marines and you are in the Army. It doesn't mean
that we're both not on the ground. We're seeing different perspectives.
Does that make sense yep. So I clearly laid out
in the caption I'm not talking about New York because
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that's for New York to figure out. I don't know
enough about New York politics. I tell y'all what I
know and what I don't know. There are some things
that go across the board that you can apply in
any city, any state. But I was not speaking on
New York politics. I was simply saying the data that
came out and said that Zaurun, as they put out
his name, did not do well with black voters. And
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I simply said, I'm not speaking on New York because
I don't know. But what I do know is progressive
continue to fail at black outreach. And I also was
fair across the board marcellis and said this also goes
for motteries as well. But my experience being a marine
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with working on the ground with the white multi millionaire
consultants that decided who should get the money, why, where,
what in twenty fifteen, I'm giving you that experience from
a overall view, not a local view. It was not
about minimizing what Devin said in his Atlanta experience. It
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has nothing to do with that. Take the personal off
the table. It was about me saying that my experience
on progressives and what they do not spend with black outreach,
old young are indifferent. If it's six hundred dollars to
print off the flyers, if it's we need to hire
some folks instead of asking volunteers and knock on doors,
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if it's we need to give pizza, we need to
give donuts, we need to give whatever, you know, whatever
it is, I'm saying they don't spend the money. That's
what I'm saying. I'm saying that for moderates. I'm saying
that for progressives, but particularly progressives, because progressives is a
newer model. If you will, if we go by looking
at what Bernie Sanders started in twenty fifteen to now,
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if y'all agree with that, put a five in the
chat where moderates have been taking advantage of black voters
for years because you know, black people have been Democrats
centrist for the most part, but they have a little
bit more roots in on the ground because they were
you know, they've been you know, doing on the groundwork longer,
which is fair, which is why I push even harder
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for progresses to do more, to spend money on the ground.
So I was very clear in laying out this is
not about New York because it is very important Devon
when we lay things out because to Devin, and I'll
tell y'all our conversation we had a great conversation offline
and said, this is not the court of law. It
actually is the court of law. And Devin, you as
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a candidate, I want you to move as if you're
in the court of law at all times. This is
why they say what you say can what be.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
You in the court of law.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
And I particularly want you guys, especially candidates who you know,
I love you, Devin, and I'll let you gives. I
know you dine and say something. But this is just
being the student posture and listen just for a moment.
It's very important that when you say things that you
are that you stand on those things and you can
back it up with evidence. Because the one thing that
a black man needs is evidence. You're what I'm telling yah,
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I'm saying this would love is og love the one
thing that black men and I'm gonna say it again,
the one thing black women too. But the one thing
in case y'all not looking at what's happening every day,
the one thing death. And the reason why I want
you to stand on this, baby, is because the one
thing that you need is a black man in America
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is evidence. And if you do not have that learn behavior,
I wish I had a witness in the building. If
I am not teaching you that learn behavior, I make
Marcellus do it all the time. Guys, I want you
to have that learn behavior, that it is in your walk,
in your talk. I won't give a damn if you
at the barbershop, I won't give a shit if you
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just having a random debate about who's the best ball
player of all times, who's the best this, who's the
best lyricists of all time? I need black people, especially
black men, that when things come out of your mouth,
that you are able to back it up with evidence,
because America is going to make you stand on it.
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We actually are in the court of law put a
five in the chat. If you agree, I'm gonna let
you come on, Devin, but I want you to hear
me first from love, because I'm concerned about you, and
this is from love. You made the statement, and when
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we're gonna move over to the progressive part, because him
and I both agree on that. You made the statement
that killer Mike chose Kemp over Stacy Abrams, and I said,
show me the evidence of that, because that is not true.
And you sent a very long dissertation, very long thesis
about how he could have been a better supporter, and
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I'm paraphrasing a better advocate, a more enthusiastic person for Abrams,
a more let's just say, a better community leader. I
want you to hear me. Good, Devin. You have every
right to feel that way. The debate, or what I
asked you to show me evidence was not evidence on
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if he was not the best community person in your
subjective opinion. The evidence was not based upon could he
have been more favorable to Stacy Abrams in your opinion.
The evidence was not called for to the court about
should he had not praised Kemp. So when you explained,
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you said yourself literally although he did not endorse Kemp.
He still could have blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
And that is my only point, Devin. And when I
said what you said would not hold weight in the
court of law, and you said, this is not the
court of law, it actually is, brother, Because you must,
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especially as a candidate, you must have the mindset and
think like an attorney. I give an example in lawyering Fundamentals,
one of our classes, it says, come up with who
what makes a great song? Now, many of y'all will say,
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what's the greatest song of all time? Who's the greatest
player of all time? You know why I don't have
those debates, Devin and Marcella's because I don't like conversations
without rules. Somebody gonna say Lebron, somebody gonna say AI,
somebody gonna say Jordan's. You know, somebody gonna say. I
don't like those barbershop conversations, Devin. So when you talk
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to me, you gotta narrow down the scope. We gotta
identify the rules. And identifying the rules means what genre
are we talking about? What are we talking about? I mean,
that's the song? What are we talking about stats, who
makes the best player? Are we talking about overall? Who's
the best human being overall?
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Right?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Are we talking about who who is the greatest of
all the time? Because Muhammad Ali did what many many
others would never do. Are we just talking about how
many punches got landed? Are we talking about who took
the Do y'all follow what I'm saying? Put a five
in the chat. You must establish the rules. See, you
cannot just throw something out to me and think I'm
not gonna ask you for the evidence, and black Man,
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you need evidence. Yeah, the reason why the d trial
right now, why they had to drop some of those
charges is because what y'all the lack of lack of evidence.
You cannot afford to say things out your mouth that
you can't back up with evidence. Because I need you
to be thinking like that, Devin, because you are a candidate,
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and you speak often, and the words you say can
and will be and should be expected to be used
against you. So if you want to premise it and
say killer Mike was not the best community partner or
the best community member, or did not support Stacy Abrams
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the way I think he would, you have no argument
with me on that the argument came from he supported
Kemp over Stacy Abrams and you said, well that's just semantics. No, no, no, See,
black men been hanged over semantics. I wish I had
a five in the chat. Black men have been persecuted
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over semantics. Black people have been misunderstood over semann. I
wish I had somebody who was a witness black people,
because see, when you sit in front of that jury appears.
See one person says semantics marcellis. Another one says, show
me where the law is. Another one say show me
where the rico is. Another one say, well, that's domestic violence.
Another one say, well did he really call? See. We
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got to be real careful when it comes down to semantics.
You don't have to like somebody. You can disavow what
they do. You can say I don't agree with how
they move. You can say, well, up to me, I
would have done something different. I don't have no problem
none of that. You said, Devin, the issue came in
he did not endorse kept over aprons. And that was
the only thing that I was set out to prove
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and the only evidence that you didn't provide. That's it,
and that's all. But what I want you to know,
is a black man in America who is in politics.
You must know it's the court of law. You must
know that. You must know that. You must know that
we cannot, especially as political leaders, we cannot just blurt
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things out and not back it up with the receipt.
It's best to say, oh, I'll get back to you,
or hey, this is my opinion, or set the premise
up in the beginning, like I did with the post
when I said I'm not speaking of New York, I'm
speaking of overall. Now, if you chose not to read it,
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if you chose to skip the five print, that's on you,
which is why we talk about that in course four
of five, which is legal and compliance. If you chose
to ignore the rule that I set forth, that's on you.
But I set the rule very plain and clear that
I was speaking overall, and y'all took the comments in
a whole nother direction. But that was on y'all. That
was not on me. Let's bring Steven Devon to the stage.
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This is recorded as a reminder for straight Shadow Chaser podcasts. Hey, Devin,
thank you for listening, and thank you for holding the
space of court. Your faith no, I'm recording.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Speak up.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Just say what you need to say, honey.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
All right.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
So on the point about those particulars or whether or
not he gave an official endorsement Brian Camp over Stacy Abrams,
you were one hundred and fifty percent correct. He did
not give an official endorsement to Brian Camp over Stacey eight.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
So I can see that point.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Okay, that's all, And your opinion is valid. Like, you're
not the first one that I that I heard that
said they were disappointed in Mike. You're not the first
one that said more should have been done. In fact,
I believe that's what compelled him to say, okay, to
reach out to Stacy's campaign and say come to the
west side what she never did. By the way, but
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he can argue that point. But I was not in
any way minimizing your perspective. What I was saying is
we have to be careful black man of just saying
things as fact, because I don't want them to do
that to you. No, and that's hard.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
I think the piece that I wanted to communicate, and
this is about the broader conversation around progressivism.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
You know, I feel like.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
As someone who has contributed to the progressive movement, has
run as a progressive as knows what it's like to
receive some of that institutional support from her aggressive organizations
like Democratic Socialism of America. You know, I when people
call themselves progressive, and I actually don't even know killing
my coffee self are progressive. But when people call themselves
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a progressive, I think it's important that we have to
look at the receipts of progressive behavior. And like I said,
I don't think you know, supporting your right to bear
arms doesn't.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Make you progressive.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
I believe in black people's right to bear arms and
for self determination.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
That's a key part of that.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
With that being said, you know when Stacey, when you're
well known in twenty twenty two, you're down and out,
you're close, you in a tight election, when someone gives
with a platform like killo Mike gets on a national
platform and gives credit to your opponent and says nothing
about you, well, in my mind, as a candidate, I
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know how that's gonna feel. I know how that shows up.
And this shows up as you are supporting my opponent
over me.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Okay, well, well I'm well, let's deal with rules. Because again,
I like rules. I'm not talking about what shows up.
We don't even have to religate that. I hear what
you're saying, and I agree, But the bottom line is
he did not support Kemp over Stacy and I just
deal with the facts. But I want but I hear
what you're saying what shows up because we know that
p R is a real thing, perception of reality, it's
a real thing. But we were only debating if he
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endorsed or not. But I want to go back to
what you said because this is a really healthy part
of the of the argument when you said, if somebody's
not showing up like a progressive, so let let and
I and I love this and I can't wait to
unpack this. There is no where is and see again,
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this is where it goes for the rules. Where is
the I believe. Let me let me say this. One
reason why I don't do YouTube is because there's no entry.
Everybody can do it. Anybody can say they're they're a podcast,
or anybody can say they got a show. Anybody can
say they're a political anybody can say. You know why
I don't like that, Devin, is because I don't like
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anybody can do anything. I actually like very clear rules.
One reason why I do not support shout out to
doctor Steve Perry in the building. One reason I don't
support honorary degrees is because those who don't understand that
an honorary degree and somebody running around calling themselves doctor
is not the same thing as doctor Steve Perry. And
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it's one reason why I refuse to get my PhD,
because I want no confusion between me with a PhD
and some comedian that got honorary doctrine. No disrespect, but
I believe in very clear rules. Let me go further.
I joked today with my friend Michelle, who said, put
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some respect in her junior ROTC. I said, I will
not be putting respect on your junior ROTC because you
are not a veteran and no more than people than
the Divine nine looks at Capital Sweethearts as a real sorority.
I will not be looking at you as a soldier.
With that said, there is no process to determine what
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is a progressive and what is not. Leer me out, Okay,
so your opinion on Hey, if you're saying you're a progressive,
but you ain't showing a like progressive there's no there
has been no process to say. And this is one
reason why I don't like political parties, by the way,
because when you are a Democrat, they actually do want
you to sign as you know, these are the things
that you say you support and don't support. There is
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no progressive movement that has progressive candidates that actually have
a This is what you need to do to be
a progressive voter or a progressive candidate. So the bottom
line moral to the story is anybody can say they
whatever the hell they want to say, and you can
say I disagree, they're not a progressive, and somebody else
say where they are prepared. In fact, we saw many
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monerists do this. We saw many monitorists come out and say, well,
you know, I'm a progressive because I believe in but
but guess what. But guess what though he can say
it's progressive because progressives have not defined any rules to
determine what is and what ain't. See and this applies.
See I love this type of talk, Devin, because in
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act to actually be a blood, let's put it to
the hood so that everybody can know, so that everybody
can know that the rules apply across the board. On
any game you want to be a part of, and
if you want to be a blood, somebody need to
put you on or endorse you. You need to get
beat up, or you need to fight your way in,
or you need to pay your way in. There is
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a process to getting in. So because there's no process
to being what a progressive is or ain't, you can say, well,
she not of progressive, but you don't get to determine
it because y'all don't have no rules. So until the
progressive movement, like I keep telling over and over, y'all
need to go over, especially black, go over to the
Green Party and define the rules. That's what I say.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Oh, I think a couple.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
I thinks one part of the reason why I feel
comfortable in calling myself a progressive is because I know
what it's like to be endorsed by progressive institutions that
have a standard of like, these are the things, the
type of policies that you need to support as a candidate.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
But those are for those institutions. But you're meeting the
mark for those institutions. So if McDonald's says, in order
to get a McDonald's endorsement, you need to eat three cheeseburgers. Okay,
I got I met or exceeded what's required for the
McDonald's endorsement. But that doesn't mean that I get endorsements
from Wendy's and Burger King and everybody else that makes
(30:33):
a hamburger. Because in fact, somebody could argue that the
organizations that said that you were progressive, there's somebody saying
that they ain't progressive. There's somebody saying, well, no, they're
actually socialist.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
You have that going on right now, right gott of
the Democratic Socialists of America and Working Families parties, that's
right back or oftentimes about who is more progressive than another.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
And I love what somebody said in the chat that progressive.
A part of it is that progressive isn't mine.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Your point is be mindsets are subjective, that's right, so
we're clear.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
So when we say that, so all I just want
to know is it fair or not fair? I just
don't think it's fair for anybody to say such and
such is not a progressive if they're saying they're progressive.
Now what I think the reframing can be according to
my standard. I just like words to be clear. If
you say, according to yeah, yeah, I just like words
(31:28):
to be clear. And it could even be in the hood.
I can say, according to my according to what I
know about being a blood from the nineties in Inglewood,
such and such rapper do not qualify according to what
it means to be a blood. In nineteen ninety when
Chris Big Blown Chris and his big age became a
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blood Chris Brown, he actually went and fought the homies
in in jail for that reason, because he wanted to
check the box to say I've done, you know, what's
required to be considered what we call reputable. And I
know many people are saying, why are you using gangs
as a example, Well, because politics are gangs, absolutely, and
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it's all tribalism, and gangs actually have more, sometimes more
organization than so called That's right. You don't, Yeah, you
don't get to just be a GD in Chicago just
wake up one day and say I'm a GD.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
So and I'm saying this, and I think a part
of it is a couple of things.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
One.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
You know, to some extent, the progressive organizations that do exist,
maybe with the exception of the Green Party, are relatively
younger in their conception than the more traditional parties and
even the fashions that exist within the traditional Democratic Republican Party.
So I think some of this has just changed, and
the fact that these are newer institutions that are getting
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their legs and so they should be listening to you,
particularly as somebody who has worked for someone like Burning Standards,
you know, who.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Had this national platform. So I agree with that piece.
I feel like for me, why I say and I
speak from I use I statement why I how I.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Judge progressivism is oftentimes rounded in the platforms and priorities
of institutions like the Working Families Party and like the
Democratic Socialists of America, because.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
There is some standard, there's something on paper there.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
You know, when I got endorsed that had to sign
something that said a pledge that I'm going to do
these things. It collected and so there is somewhat of
a standard. Do I think that that needs to be
amplified and increased because you're right, Zoran Will he could
win in November and it will be a major, you know, benefit.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
To the progressive movement.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
But if he if there is not what you say,
that standard that people can easily identify and say, this
is what a progressive is right and hold him accountable right,
and hold him accountable. And so when I said that
I didn't consider of my progressive.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
It was based on what I know.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
I had found, the policy that I had committed myself to,
and how some of the officials that he has supported
has either stood in opposition of that.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Opposed to you.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
No, I got that, And and my only argument is
he was not. Because somebody says I supported a program
you did does not mean that I support you and
everything you do and I and it is very important.
And now I will say that's one thing that progresses
that they do.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Do that.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
If I'm going to generalize this all or nothing purist
tests and and that's that's very bad. Because I can
say I support this program you put together, what she
did with Kemp. That doesn't mean I support everything you
know you bring to the table, and so and and
and that. And I like to use relationships as examples
(34:53):
because when people hear politicians, they get caught up in that.
You know, I can say in my relationship, ninety percent
of everything you do is on point. You know, if
I if I rank the things that are most important,
if I use ranked voting in my relationship, the things
that are most important to me you do well. That
mean that don't mean I like everything you do, but
(35:15):
it does mean that I like this.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
He's being married, and my wife tells me about that
all the times.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
I don't have to love everything you do in order
to support.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
People, right, And it doesn't mean right, and it doesn't
mean that I don't love you. And so we have
to have some nuances. That's why nothing's getting done in politics,
because there's no nuance to say I support this, but
(35:45):
I'm not necessarily in favor in this. And so when
you say he's supported Kemp, that's where I took issue
because that, as you said, Howard reads, is I support
all things Kemp does when that wasn't the case, when
he would simply talking about one particular thing that he
may have agreeved.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
That's all the piece set that you're talking about here
around nuance is something that we get all benefit from
because I do think that there were some folks who
took support this program right and the absence of saying
that I support something that Stacey did right before a
major election, and there were a lot of black men,
black voters who were like, oh, he supports Brian camp.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
I had these conversations.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I was there.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
I saw I think you know to your point, like
we as progressive need nuanced because I can't stand the
all or nothing mentality either. Right, there are some pieces,
there's some progressives who will say, if you're not a
completely an anti capitalist, then you can't be a part
of this tent.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
And I'm like, that's not realistic.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Yet if capitalism was too far, some aspects of capitalism
is still going to exist in whatever new should be created.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
And let me give a real time example. If you
don't mind, I'm only saying it because you made it public.
But I think this is a perfect example. You said,
since you've been married, the LGBT invites stopped coming. So
that's not fair. So everything that you've supported now that
you're married, now all of a sudden, you see, how
do they go now all of a sudden? Oh, I
(37:20):
guess now you can't. You don't wrong with me or
y'all don't think I support you because I'm doing something
that maybe not all of y'all do. So that's why
I like to use relationships as examples. We have to,
and especially when it comes to black people, I'm particularly
talking about black people because the bottom line is white people. Yea,
we talking about black people because white people run the
(37:41):
progressive movement, the modern movement, the Republican mo they run
it off. But what black people we must We have
to show each other some grace when it comes to nuance,
because all we know is nuance. All we know is
do a little bit of this and a little bit
of that, from cooking, from cooking our food to let
me put a little bit of lour re seasons all
to a little bit of pepper, to a little bit
(38:01):
of that. No, we know, right, All we know is
a little bit of this and a little bit of that.
So I just want us in the black political space
to not be so quick to say, Okay, he was
against her and he went with the white man, when
number one, it was not true. However, you can certainly
say I did not like the way he did not
(38:23):
speak up for her in that moment. I don't like
the way he advocated or he did support say what
he liked about Camp and didn't say what he liked
about Stacy. You got every right to say that, because
you know what my answer is to that. Y'all wan't
get to tell me what to say and how to
say it no time. So that's my answer.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
I've been in the same situation with other people.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
There's times where I'm going to because you know, I'm
a lobbyist. I've been a candidate for office, and so
in order for me to get things done in the legislature,
there's gonna be times where I have to talk to
people and lean on my relationships that I have with
people who are not of the same political affiliation. If
you get anything done in the Georgia legislature, there's a
(39:03):
Republican that you have to talk to.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
In order to get it done right.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
And so I do think that this all or nothing
piece is important. The one piece that I do want
to add is that, well, I know what it's like
to work with Republicans. I also know being the power
of my political capital. So, for example, if we are
in a moment right now with Brian kim On on
some shit, let's say it's medicaid expansion, We've got some
(39:29):
Republicans to say, well, we'll support Medica expansion. Because Republicans
in other states have supported medicaid expansion, We're one of
the few states that have not, right, and I.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Just got some hit paths with Brian on some other thing.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Right right now we're in this big public fight about
Medicaid expansion.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
I'm going to toll the line.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
I'm not I'm not gonna praise Brian hit right now
because right now.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
We in this.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
I can praise them tomorrow after we sort through this,
but right now I can't get that.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
And and the key word is I. That's you. That's the
key word. So and so, all I'm saying is.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Just to use the political capital the way that fit.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
And guess what, you have the right to critique it all.
All I'm saying, right, all I'm saying is when it
comes to us and black people, when you was like,
oh this this ain't the court of law, that's like, no,
we gotta go live because I just want us to.
I want us to think what a legal mind. Seriously,
I really do, because they're gonna make They're gonna hold
(40:31):
us to our words more than anybody, you know what
I mean. They're gonna hold us to our work.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
And we just we just don't get grace around it,
that's all. And so we can certainly critique people, we
can challenge people to be better. We can say you
should be a better advocate for X, y Z. You
can this, you can get. What I would say is
what I would caution people, and they can do what
they want to do. But what I would caution people.
What has what has not been working is people trying
(41:00):
to what I've seen, bully people into saying what they
should and better do at all it makes them do. Yeah,
all it makes them do is say, well, you know what,
I'm never gonna do it just because so No, And
in fact, I.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Think we have that's another conversation.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
But I do think that part of the reason why
Trump this is not a new statement, but part of
the reason why Trump has a certain level of appeal,
and part of the reason why Zorn has the level
of appealing in New York is because people appreciate when
folks stay what's that.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
You agree with, staying on business right.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
And so I do feel like there's a piece of
that where like, you know, killing my key, he defended himself,
he explained himself on the view. You know, some people
felt like that suffice, other people didn't. And that's fine.
That doesn't mean that I also lead from this lens
that I don't view.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Black people as disposal.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
So even if I don't agree with you today, it
doesn't mean that I can't work on some shit with
you tomorrow on something that I do agree with. And
I think that we do a disservice to our movement
and to the work that we have to do as
black people to get free when we feel like this
is all or nothing mentality, or because I've called you
out on something that I didn't like, then that means
(42:19):
that we can't work together. Kill and Mike want to
call me right there and work on my god boys,
the dispensary program to get inst in Atlanta, to get
a dispensary license, a grower's license under the city so
that young black men can learn how to get in
the industry. And because of his connections at the state,
he can make that happen with the city and the state.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
I'm gonna work with it. I'm gonna advocate. We don't
even ever have to talk. He can go on to
meet with the governor. I'm gonna go to the meetings
at city level. I'm gonna get in front of the
local news.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
I'm gonna advocate, I'm gonna educate the public, and we're
gonna get it done. And I think that's where sometimes
it's political rhetoric. We lose that if we don't name
from the jump that just because I disagree with you
and I don't like everything that you did, doesn't mean
that I can't work for it.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Oh yeah, for sure. And my thing is the reason
why we lose that is because it becomes accusatory, out
the jibt and that, and that's all. That's all.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
I don't think that that's the reason because also the
other thing is, while I feel the way that I
feel about how killing Mike used or dedn't used his
political capital in twenty twenty two, ultimately.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Stacy Abrams was the one who was responsible to win
that race. No killing Mike, you know what I'm saying. Right, So,
like his endorsement wasn't necessarily gonna it might have made
a break yet, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
But ultimately it was her responsibility to win that race,
and her consultancs and the people who worked on the
campaign and all the folks who.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Donated to yeah, the white folks that the white folks
that was in charge, by the way, And that's all
I'm saying, you.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Know that, But a lot of the folks probably listening,
and they don't know that so many of these candidates,
including people that we like or.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Not, right, all of them, yeah, all of them. We
don't We don't have to say so many of them,
all of them. Yes, that's it, And that's my only
point that that was my only point of the original post.
That people win. In another direction is that it's not
about because when I respond to you about you know,
older voters, younger voters, No, what I'm saying, they don't
(44:21):
spend the money on young old in the middle bottom
line like they the money just need Yeah, the money
need to get spent. Yeah, the money need to get spent.
Don't need to been spent last minute, and need to
spend year round, right, year around. That was my only point.
And then my only point was he did not endorse Kemp.
But your your thoughts are valid. What you text me,
(44:42):
I'm not taking away from your perspective. Again, I've invited
you to revote several times, so I know what it is. No,
but I do know, But I want to say this publicly. No,
but I want to say this publicly because it's very important.
Like when somebody like when you like don't diminish what
I'm saying, because I'm like, no, I want to be clear.
If I diminished, I never do that, Like I before
you got on, I was saying, I'm not that type
(45:04):
of person. Marcelle's is my co host, no radio experience.
I met him from the comments. I don't diminish anybody's voice.
If I diminish your voice, you would have never been
invited on my show. So I'm not diminishing anybody. What
I'm saying is we're speaking from different lenses and it
it's important that we just hear each other out, want
to hear you know, like what where we're coming from,
what point we're trying to make. And then my overall
(45:26):
point was no, we gotta always back our stuff up
with evidence. And I'm just saying that just in general,
because they will hold us to everything we say. That's all,
and I just want that to be.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Not that I'm getting in trouble. But you know, if
you elected Christian be a legal counsel and retainer.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Better believe it. You better believe I want my money
up front.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
But but no, and so I'm gonna pay you on
time because I definitely don't want you looking for me
because I know you're right.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Yeah, that's true, that's true. But thank you for the
conversation that I appreciate you. Send love to your wife,
your beautiful baby, your family. Thank you for having the conversation.
This is why the training is so important. I saw
you win and looked at the free preview two guys.
But those of you come to the training. Yeah, come
to the training, guys, because we have got to understand
(46:18):
how to organize. And that was the whole point of
this tonight's episode. I want people to know there's a
dollar associated Michelle is actually here in the comments. She
joined and I used her as an example. When she
ran for office in sixty days, she still had to
spend five hundred dollars on flyers and a lot of
people that I don't understand. There's a cost associated with that.
It's not just you know, each one teach one. No,
(46:39):
we actually have to spend money with flyers, knocking on doors, donuts, sandwiches.
There's money for outreach, and black people are always left
holding the bag with these multimillion dollar races. And so
I was just saying, I'm not surprised that he did well,
and I just don't want it to always be the quick. Well,
it's the black older voters. They just don't know. No,
(47:01):
let's look at these campaign finance support and see how
much money they spent in to organize black young voters.
They'll give you the answer. That'll give you the answer.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Yeah, that's true. And you know, I love Anthelis, I love.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
Being educated, and so it's nothing for me to come
to the training. Y'all need to come to the training.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Listen. I've done Congressional Black Confice training.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
That's great. Don venturin to training, great, all of the things.
I can even facilitate training. It doesn't matter what your
experience level is. You always need to increase your knowledge
and your skill set.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
Look, while you're learning from tense, you's gonna be learning
from people in these in these courts.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
Yeah, yeah, con with and so it's also a networking opportunity.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
So like get get get plugged in, gime plugged in,
yunk so much.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
All right, I appreciation to Devin, love you too, Okay,
all right, peace, Well guys, that was a great, great impromptu.
Uh we see Michelle's also joined us as well. I
was just talking about Michelle earlier when I was talking
about out again, Guys, organizing actually costs money. It's not
some each one teach one and we just need to
(48:07):
talk about it more. No, even if you want to
organize people in the comments, it costs time to organize time.
It costs to get phone banking to get people on
the same page. Michelle, who's in the comments, real life candidate,
had to do this in sixty days. I was on
her head for sixty days. She did it out her
own pocket. Guys.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
So when I tell y'all that they are not spending
money on black candidates, I mean that I'm gonna stand
by that. I asked Michelle before, how much are you
willing to spend on this? Because Michelle, I will tell
y'all in real time. This way, y'all need to come
to the training. Michelle's actually one of my trainers. By
the way, they all star marce ellis with, well, how
much do you plan on running? Oh, I'm gonna run
(48:50):
and raised about ten fifteen thousand. Bet okay, Now, how
much you're gonna spend your own money? Because you know
what I knew. The reality is the reality is if
you get on with only sixty days to win, whatever
she thought she was gonna get didn't get. God, that's
what they don't tell y'all in these trainings. Oh yeah,
all you gotta do is call this one and raised it. No,
the reality is, Michelle, how much are you winning to
(49:12):
spend out your own pocket? That's what I asked my
candidates right out the gate. That's great, if you go
get that money, go get it, raised it, great, But
how much you gonna put on it? Cause we need
to know what the backup plan is. And if the
backup plan is Marcella's ain't got none on it, then hey,
we need to figure out something else because I need
to know what you got on it, because you know
what it came down to, Marcello's what Michelle had on it.
(49:34):
Printing out her own brochures, taking them the kink oles
and printing them out for a dollar to make sure
them doors got flyed. That's the reality of running. And
so many candidates have done that on their own with
their own money, and they've organized black voters to believe
in their candidacy on the local level, and then these
(49:55):
major campaigns come in, These major candidates come in, call
the Michelle and say, hey, mis why don't you help
get them, you know, them thousand people you got to
come to the polls. Why don't you come help them,
get us to the polls and come take a picture
with us. And they leave Michelle in the west spot.
They leave her to continue to organize on her own,
out her own pocket, and then y'all sit around in
(50:17):
the college and say, just do it because it needs
to be done, do it because it's a laborer love. Meanwhile,
Michelle had to pay brothers and cousins and pay for
donuts and food out her pocket. This is the real
deal that what local candidates go through, and racists that
are nationalized that bring in millions and millions and millions
(50:40):
of dollars to help these people that y'all be sitting
up here defending don't spend a dollar on the ground
when it comes to local candidates like her who can
help bring an extra thousand people to the polls. That's
how it works. That's how it works, guys. And they
don't tell you that because they want you so called
(51:00):
up in the Trump and Obama and michell of it all,
that they just completely don't tell you how it works.
When you're running for city council, State Rep. Like Devon
ran for city council. So Devin, she'll be able to say,
I can get two thousand people to show up x
y Z right now, but you got to pay to
get that done. Not him getting paid to Greece's palm
(51:22):
and not like that, just literally paid, you know, like
literally the sandwiches, the donuts, the juice, paying people for
their time. No, they want us to do it, and
then when we don't show up the way they want
us to, well, you know that's the problem. Black people
don't show up. No, they don't show the money. And
I'm sick of that being on us. All Right, guys,
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Speaker 2 (51:54):
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Speaker 1 (51:57):
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Speaker 2 (51:58):
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