June 30, 2025 • 32 mins
Former national Bernie Sanders Political Director Michele Watley and Former National Racial Justice Director Tezlyn Figaro discuss the behind-the-scenes challenges while organizing for Bernie Sanders as Black operatives.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yea from.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
You don't want to ask your question.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Let's just keep it real straight shot with.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
No Chase it.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
So I'm gonna get a little bit rough. I'm here for it.
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
So that's knowing your role in your characteristics, your personality
is really important because that dictates where you can be successful,
where you can actually contribute. And so you gotta know
that mm hmm, and that's okay with it and be
okay with it. Michelle could do great at so many
other things that I'm just I'm not.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I don't want to have the tolerance and patience for it.
My level of expectations are probably gonna be way higher.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
On saying aren't gonna be way higher. That's not probably
don't need to on this, You'll be way hired.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
There are some things I might be loose about, like
when Marcelle with the podcast you ready to podcast, but
I tell him, I said, hey, stay on me because
I need to be dah dah dad. You know, the
job still get done, you know, But there's still some
things where I'm just like when it comes to like
some stuff. No, marcell No, No, Like, what do you mean?
I was on Michelle ass like when I tap in,
(01:24):
But you need me to tap in because I'm gonna
be okay, that sound good. How many doors you say?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Though?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Again, well I went and did okay, and that would't
translate to what the doors though, I'm trying to get
back to the.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Doors of the day.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yeah, go to go through person with Michelle. Yeah, because
you want to preserve the relationship, because I wan't hear
nothing about No, she emailed it and she was snitching.
You know, Jay was stitching on Michelle plenty times. You
know Michelle is over here being an ab me in
todays work.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Is that type of stuff to make Canada's unlovable. So
I know what it's like to be an unlovable candidate.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Oh no, she's a lovable candid. No, she's a great candid. Guys,
don't know you've had something that you know you ain't
that at all. No, that's not it. No, I'm not
gonna let you. I pick on you, but I'm not
gonna let I'm not gonna let that. No, Michelle is
actually a great candidate. I'm saying for me though, because
my personal expectation for Michelle personally, you know what I mean,
(02:37):
I'm gonna hold her real high because you run around
saying you my damn sister.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
So anybody that listen, yes, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
You don't get to just what you mean. Yes, you
know what I mean. So let's soften the blow and
let's have somebody in the middle and putting it in
Jada in the middle and let her go, you know,
or like I do you mar that like if I
have you reached out somebody like no, just talk to
myself about This's a reason why, right, I don't want
to go out, you know, I want to keep somebody motivate,
(03:08):
you know, people expect you to be and then there's
some people like sending the turn and we could never
have a goal between between us. I would never allow
a goal between between I got to deal with her
head up because the goal between gonna be so nervous
to talk to her about. I'm the only one to
tell her you need to take a nap.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Well, let me ask me ask this last question. This
should be a good one because I like stories. But uh,
Michelle asks you, what surprised you the most about tests
on a campaign since it was like your first time
meet her.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Oh what surprised me the most?
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Like I like it could be a story, you know,
with your witness or whatever.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Oh my what I witness? Oh boy, be endless. You
gotta know what, Yeah, you gotta never you could just.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Give one one good one that you remember the most.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
You know it And I'll keep thinking about this if
it come up. When Tess get to talking, I will
give another answer, but I will never forget her pulling
me to the side, saying, they gonna turn you against me,
and you gotta make a decision. And it happened almost immediately.
(04:34):
I had we had gotten each other's resumes before we
got on the campaign. I remember reading her resume thinking,
oh shite, it brought oh boy, like this, this is
not to be something, because her resume was stacked. And
there's a part of me that wondered if it was
gonna be friction, if it was gonna be a problem.
(04:55):
And I remember just thinking, you know what it is,
what it is, You be excited that you got talent
on the team, and hope for the best, you know,
just be open for whatever comes. And when I came
and picked her up. When I said we hit it off.
We must have went to I don't remember what restaurant was.
It was some chain restaurant. As soon as I picked
her up, we grabbed drinks and we just had an understanding,
(05:17):
like out the gate, no problem, no friction, no nothing.
We just had an understanding. When one of our first
events happened, there was just we fell into our roles
and there was no that first rally out in Iowa,
I think she probably learned a lot about me, and
I learned a lot about how she worked, and it
was intuitive. They had given us the wrong directions, the
(05:39):
wrong location for the Iowa then, but because his operates
at a level of excellence that is beyond most people,
we had left two hours before, being two hours early,
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two hours early drive through the event. So we were
four hours early to an event that was only supposed
to take forty five minutes to get to, and thankfully
we were because we had been driving for an hour
to find out that we were going to the wrong location.
And so you know, the things like that that that
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really showcased who Tess was and allowed me to showcase
who I was. You know, I drove with my foot
up on the side.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Of the glad. You said that, Yeah, learned shells quirks.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Let's get to that about her.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Well, yeah, nowhere reason I gotta eat all outside the
window while driving by the window.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Hey, every twenty minutes.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
The house she packs, you know, getting to the airport.
You know, I'm big on time. Oh my god, the
least go going on. Must always try to put me
to have small talk. She learned, I do not do
small talk.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yet that's the moment. That is the moment. So we
went the lobby at the hotel. And by this point
I've learned she don't like small talk, but I play
all day. You know, Gemini is sagittaries rising, Gemini sign
all I do is play, And she'd have made it
clear she don't like small talk, and I'm gonna move
(07:19):
to play. We sitt look in the lobby one morning
it's this girl out there and she was working on
the campe. Remember who she was, what she was doing?
And she walks us to us and she's, OK, how
are you guys doing? I go we are great, and
Tess does a little I'm about to walk away to
the side because I don't want no small talk and
(07:41):
Jess as she walks away, I said, hey, Tess, me
so and so this is Sarah, Sarah, this is Tess.
And she looks at me and it cuts her eyes
and it looks to kill that moment, I would have
been and walked off like I have no problem like you.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
You're I'm never going to be embarrassed, Marcella. So you
can continue to push the line and I'll just tell
them maham, I don't do small talk, So I don't
know why watch pushing his line. She did it every time,
like a rental counters whatever. Then finally she'd be like
she doesn't like small talk, Yeah, I don't, and you know.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Well, and if we meet somebody at rental counters who like,
it's a probable her now like a small talk. And
this is where I learned to just kind of put
my head in my hands, because why don't people leave
Tess alone? That's an enduring question that I have that
she answers every time, and it never resonates. We at
the counter and she's being polite. One thing about Ted,
she won't be you know, she don't starting at this,
(08:38):
she don't start talking crazy. She'll tell you know, assertively
and politely. Hey, I appreciate this, but I'm not in
the small talk. We're really trying to get to where
we get into and he clicks back, you know, oh,
well I'm just trying to and she's and she does
it again. She gives them a second chance. You know,
I hear you. But you know, we really got somewhere
to go. We just really need to get the car.
(08:59):
And at this point, I already know where this is going.
It's gonna go south, like because if he keeps talking.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
And I say to him, look, look, look, listen, just
it's okay, just give us the car. What what do
you have?
Speaker 1 (09:13):
She goes. You know, they training Marcellus to do with
enter problem, you know, like it's a part of the training.
Like they literally are supposed to do small talk. They
just gotta do it. Yeah, it's a part of the
it's the upsell technique is But some people just are
uncomfortable about just being silent. Just like when I was
at the dinnist last week when I'm clearly playing on
my phone and we're waiting on the stuff to you know,
(09:33):
my mouth to get mom. So, hey, what do you
And I said, it's okay. I'm okay with silence. And
he said, well, you know, I think we were just
sitting here, right and we're just sitting here, just sit here.
So I just so it's a little things like that.
It could be a bunch of stories going on and on,
but it.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Was tell you, and that's the thing. The guy wouldn't listen.
And then it just when it went south, and I
just stood back and I couldn't say nothing at that
point because it's doing you.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
You're not listening. And to this day, when people get
on tensis lives or any of that, people get to
doing what they do, I just be like, but why though,
don't y'all know, don't y'all y'all.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Don't want to live. I don't. Everybody gets a chance
to learn. And Marcellus loves it. By early day when
I was like, I'm physical live, so but I can't
afford to miss it. Just y'all make me think I'm
a terible person. I'm really a nice person. I get
(10:34):
heart for real, like I get my heart leveled out it.
I care about everybody, I really really do, I sincerely do.
But I also, you don't know who I am and
know what it is, and that's just what it is,
you know.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
So, Tens, you've been there for me for some of
my biggest life moments and have been nothing but caring
and loving and empathetic. And so anybody that would would
take any of this and make that their takeaway is
missing the main point. Love also shows up as telling
you what you need to hear. Love also shows up
as putting Jade in the middle because I care enough
about the relationship to make sure there's that space. Love
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is also telling you outright at the beginning that I
really don't do small talk and we really need to
get this car politely before I go in on you back.
And so anybody that thinks otherwise, it's missing the point.
You are loving, caring, loyal, and will go to the depths,
you know, to the ends of the earth for the
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people you care for, which is why, like you said,
you got to have the boundaries and spaces and be
mindful about who you pour into and how you pour
into them, because you can't go to is the earth
if you don't have enough in your taint. So don't know,
I don't want nobody else to think different. Tez I
appreciation in fourth and fifth death.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
No, I appreciate it. And it's people in my life
now that you know. Conversational another day, but just I
offer so much patience and grace, way more than I
ever would Michelle, And they don't have a clue, Like
I'm just how I just be letting you make it.
(12:09):
But that's what love is, yes, patient and kind, and
it sees deeply and not personal, and understanding that your
reaction may not have anything to do with me and
may come from a different level of pain, you know.
And so that's why people close to me is really important,
(12:31):
because I gotta have cause regular everybody else I'm just
gonna deal with you, Ill deal with you. But I
also you know, I try to pour into people when
I can't. Just like when I had the live earlier
and he was like, I know you worked on national campaigns,
but just see my perspective, because what I did matter
to what he was saying wasn't feeling seen, and I
(12:51):
needed to let him know that's not it. I'll invite
you on the show all the time. If I didn't
think you were important, I wouldn't have you on the show.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
But there's a deeper message to he's going through and
I'm not saying I'm just this is hitting me now,
the transition he's going through in life of going from
one community group to another, you know, and feeling kind
of left out and ostracized. That tells me and person's
trying to find their footing. You know, where do they belong?
And I know everybody hasn't walked with the same surety
(13:19):
that I have. And this hasn't been my choice, That's
just what God gave me. Just gave me that gift.
So I try to be I try to be patient,
but at the same time, I do hold an expectation.
Michelle said one day, you know you I watch you
handle such and such a kid gloves. You don't do
me like that, I said, Michelle, because your level of
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greatness requires something different. You know, you have different goals.
And Jay, you're trying to be in politics. You in politics.
You in a dog yet dog world. You're not my
girlfriend that teaches third grade. What the hell are you
talking about. If you want to be the girlfriend teach
third grade, go teach third grade. But if you want
to be a beast in this and you want to
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be representative, Watley or Senator Wattley and all of that.
We ain't got time to be center talking about no kid,
but what are you talking about? You want to go
crayon and color all day, Go do that. But if
you're gonna be in this, you gotta have some armor
built built up in you. So I gotta push you
in ways that. No, it's not gonna be like that.
You gotta be. And it's not that they're weaker. They
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just got different callings on their life. They're designed to
talk softly because of the third graders. Right, you try
to go talk to the governor and you can tak
I got time to be sent up talking to you
about girl. Please, you better figure it out, you know
what I mean. So it just depends on what side
you get, you know. But I've learned a lot, and
I've learned I wanted to give Michelle flaus and I'm
(14:44):
gonna get off for real. I've learned a lot through
my friendship with Michelle. I joke a lot back getting
rid of her. I mean, really wasn't a joke. What's real?
I really was trying to get rid of her she was, Yeah,
I really was because I and it's because having friends
is very overwhelming for me, you know what I mean.
I mean like it's a lifelong thing. It's not a
I've had the same best friends since I was ten
years old. I don't switch up, you know, I don't
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have Oh these are my friends in middle school, and
these are my friends in high school. And these are
my friends in the military, and these are my friend
in college. You know what I mean. These are my
friends when I was married. These are know, I got
the same friends, literally same friends. So I don't have
new boxes that I need checked or field or anything
like that. I hold those positions very sacred to me.
(15:28):
But I am grateful for Michelle in my life because
having my girlfriends my two best friends don't do what
I do. So I haven't had a peer or colleague
girlfriend that I can trust and talk about and you know,
you know, workshop things out push my leadership, make me better,
give me space to unpack certain things that just a
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lot of women are just not gonna understand of being
in this space. And so I'm very grateful for that
for sure, because even if Michelle's calling saying, Okay, I
need to unpactice, I'll make sure I'm not going off
with me too, Am I seeing this right? Girl? Tell
me that you need somebody's familiar with this space at
least kind of you know, walk you through it a
little bit. And I never had that. Nobody My family's
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in this business, nobody, you know what I mean. I
don't have a lot of friends. I know people in
this business, but again I choose not to attach myself
to people. So one thing about politics is having a
close confidant, you know, somebody you can really tell something
and know it doesn't leave. And so Michelle has truly
truly been that for sure. So I guess I don't
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show you enough flowers. It's starting to get.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Uncomfortable, I see, So let's don't. Let's go and bring
it back to a close.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Yep. She's got to be.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Careful what you ask God to bless you with. I've
always wanted someone to put me in a big sister,
and this is what it looks like. And I appreciate
you feeling that.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I appreciate you too for real, and we appreciate you too,
Marcella's you the best. Somebody said the other day they
love your lab. They love having myself, and there's value
of that. I would have never thought of you popping
in from the comments. You'd be sitting there right down
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with me. Ship, I guess five years and.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
After you, yeah, five years we needed we respect.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
I'm loving every moment that I'm still learning.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
I'm learning how you said, I'm learning. You like learning
real time the girls.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
And he is a soldier for the work that you do.
Test I'll never forget. We were at that train and
he marched right up the middle of the house.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
To tell me.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I said, okay, okay, I provide no fear.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
That's what that's what this little role, I said, Marcella,
I need to be doing and such and such. You've
got to be done. He gives damn back in the
middle of the sentence, and none of that. And one
thing that you give him some instructions, he's gonna follow them. Instruction.
Now that's for that right that when it comes to
picking up greens, go all outside of that, because he
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bb ain't all off course. Else you on course, he said,
when to come to the main course myself, can he
get my greens? So she said she got it. She
said she got it all.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
One wait and then and I learned. I think she'd
be trying to set me over. She'd be like, uh,
like if we gonna go somewhere to eat, Oh, you know,
you don't have to be on you know, on time,
just be between this time I still need.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I didn't mean that that day though, I wouldn't Michell
know for sure, but that day I was one of
That day it really was. I was like, no, we're
gonna be between twelve and twelve that we was really relaxing.
But when it comes, because you know, just a casual
kind of pop up, but events like oh yeah, you
already know, I'd like to make sure because I like
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to cover for all the things that could possibly happen,
you know. So anyway, story for another day. We got
a time management a webinar that I know I'm gonna do,
and it just makes it. It makes a difference. He
always missing flights, missing this vincing that I fly all
the time. And I was thinking about you, Michelle. I
was like, no, there's certain things. He's like, No, the
gate gonna be right there. And I was thinking about
how I've worked with you on that, like stop just
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assuming you know, if you if you don't just assume
it's I was gonna be gate fourteen, because if you
were in line when it started boarding, you would have
known they switched to to gate fifteen.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
But you didn't do that. So those small things, Oh,
I still got time, and then you go to the
last minute. Oh what's the point of Russian I'm just
gonna get on and they have to wait, Well, they
switch gates. It's those small little tools, you know, that
just make a difference in efficiency, and we'll we'll talk
about those things. But Michelle has been great with me
giving her different tools that I know just work.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
You know.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
There's systems to things, small things like you know, as
soon as you go through Tessa, put your phone in
your probably, you know, so you won't lose your phone.
Get a system, a habit about where you're putting things
and picking up things. We learn that by living together,
stop scattering stuff all everywhere that way, last minute, you're
not losing things. Keep things the same, you know. So
just little things like that, guys that as we talk
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about training, when I tell y'all that I'm going to
do training training out, I mean it. I'm not just
talking about, you know, just the basics. I'm talking about
when we get done with the basics, webinars, time management,
how to be efficient, how to do you know, officer
of things? And I've bringing on people like Michelle and
Chreasse and so many others. They can just give you
tools that can make a difference in you changing your
entire race around and your entire community around, just by
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knowing one or two little things that could have made
a difference that were very, very small and minute. I
know I'm long winded. I give a lot of information,
but I promise guys, if you just pick up some
of this, it'll make sense.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I've been in training for ten years and again everything
from my political ideology to how I transtravers through airports
I can get through airports has shifted, And so you
don't want to miss out on the opportunity to to
learn those tipbits that could literally make the difference in
your race.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, it could make a big difference. Sufficiency. Michelle is
smart as a web master's degree, traveled abroad, but sometimes
you just need She's has a situation now where she's
looking for some places relocating all that, and I was like, Michelle,
I need to do is go to do blah bla
blah blah blah, don't go in town and look around like, oh,
it did make a difference. Those small little things, you know,
(21:29):
tweeks yep, small tweaks like Marcella's. Did she show you
how to put up the step? Repeat? Yeah, she called
me Michelle. Actually he did. She didn't to put it up? Well,
I thought she showed you. Oh, well she told me
see small things. See when Michelle, I would have known
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and say, did she physically show you? But I mean
like Marcella's. I'm Marcella's. I'm learning now I know she
don't you Marcella's as then put it out? Take that?
Then he cried, and Michelle said, well it was at target.
Well white a man and Marcella's. You had at your
apartment for two weeks straight. What about that? You have
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plenty of time.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
But it was her responsibility to show me.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
You can get no excuses out ten she ad.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
From home. This is basic, Michelle. One on one ship.
I'm way ahead of it. You don't know how many time.
Michelle then did this ship? But she'll walk cross so
you can walk Marcella's. I already did this ship? You
did you? You you coming in late? Already did this?
Oh that's what you mean that ship. Marcella's do it too.
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Oh she'll do that. Michelle's been doing that for ten years.
Like it's so big epiphany. Oh, now I get it.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
It's little tweak your voice from eight to attend that
makes it hit different.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
You said this six times Michelle before you know. Yeah,
but you just say it like this this typing girl night.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
See you got a tweak.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
So try different, you try something different, I said to Michelle.
And already ran every every piece of the game you
was trying to. Now, Michelle did it from a learning
if they passed at the union. But it ain't gonna
pay us, alady, we don't do union politics.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
And I went to the end of the video to say,
I'm like union carpet there. That was my first career,
So I get it. Marcella's this a whole different ball game.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
So Marcella's tried it was gonna call that every time
the best thing batter. See all everybody else accountable. That's
what m.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Voting.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Oh girl, don't to but you too, such and such.
He definitely passed a little bit, like if you gotta
hold the line, everybody else got a hold.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
So and so because what what you know, okay, make
you the best, because I said, I said, where we're
going to eat today, We're gonna go to set such
they got the best.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
And he said, according to me, no tell me something,
because once you say it's the best, you gotta go
back in and add the prentice and say.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
To me, okay, then because I have a disclaiming when
messing with that, Yes.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
You do, because you said, and I'm glad he did it.
And then even when he was in the line, he said,
now that macaroni cheese ain't cheesy. According to me, let
me talk like we do up on the line. You
said it, so we got to on it. You standing
on it too, So you two or three words can
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make a difference like I do. Say cord to me, okay,
I can understand that. What I don't understand is the
absolute because now you got to meet the level of
a standard, and you add it.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Ain't want we the standard. Don't do no volunteer line
vola line.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
You call it with people volunteer lit a lot, Joe Biden,
you stand on it with the disclaimers. Never use the absolutes.
Always allow yourself to scape round, Always get good to go.
We can navigate the conversation. No, sir, they hat to
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make it the best at it though. They won't pull
it on you nowhere to take these tools and get
you promise you that's just.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
How you wear your kid paign. You tell your neighborhood,
your community, all that. That's what you go back here.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
That's exactly if what that can they talking about? This
ain't the court of law. Not you with no with
your handle talking about for x y Z. Yeah, this
actually is the quarter. You gotta know how to operate
with your words. You know what you mean. That's samantas.
It ain't samantas. You said verbatim x y Z. That
ain't semantics. You're moving the gold posts. Just say, let
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me rephrase. They do it in the court of law
all the time. Objection, Let me rephrase, just rephrase it.
Don't go back talking about no what I did? No, No,
no rephrase, Yes, sustain, that's what sustain is about. Let
me rephrase. Let me ask it another way. Okay, this
ain't with Okay, I'm breaking the rules. Let me say
(26:33):
this over rule you understand. That's the reason if you
operate your mind that way. What you mean? This ain't
no court, Yes, it is politics is the law. It
literally the law literally, so you need to be thinking
like that. You need to be barbershop talk. I don't
like barb that's we don't like small talk. When charlotterother
but best small talk, I don't like small talk because
(26:55):
small talk doesn't have a lot of rules. It's just
random talking, and I don't I'm not fulfilled by that.
You know, I do like to have fun. I'm silly, Michelle,
you know, I'm sitting we have when it's the dumb time, downtime.
I'm cool with dumb and silly and all of that.
But if we're gonna really start having some conversations, and yeah,
(27:15):
that's why I don't like having certain conversations. People just hey,
let's just talk about something random. I don't want to
get into this because my mind is only set up
one way. I'm not gonna be set up having no
barbershop conversation. I don't like hypothet What are the rules?
What are we talking about? You know, other than that
who's the best of all time? And then arguing for
forty five minutes and you haven't even set up what
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the best is?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Right? The parameters?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Now we can go into it and see, because that's
gonna change based on what we're talking about. If we
say the greatest athlete of all time, if we talking
about stats and sports and achievements and championships and all that, Okay,
that might be Michael Jordan, but we're talking about doing
something you negroes would never do today and ain't never
did we gonna talk about Muhammad Ali is the greatest
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of all times because y'all would never Michael Jordan would never,
literally would never. He said, keep me out of y'all bullshit.
I don't do politics. So my definition of greatness, according
to what the Bible say, separate the goat from the sheep,
who was standing from the least of these. My subjective
moral compass is gonna lean towards uh Muhammad a Li. Now,
(28:29):
if you want to say who's the greatest, when to
come to stats and all of that, okay, we can
have that conversation. But if you want to talk about
a person's character, I don't exclude the character. Lebron James
is gonna be the greatest to me. I don't have
to because his stats already meet the expectations of greatness. Right,
So we talk about meat and exceed. It already meets
(28:50):
in the big arment. Boyfriend, about this a out of that,
you diminishing ain't not No, Just because I'm saying I
like Lebron don't mean I'm diminishing something else. Y'all need
to understand that just because I like cotton candy don't
mean I don't don't like strawberries. Right, It just mean
I like cotton candy. But if I'm gonna define great athlete, yes,
(29:10):
I'm going to look at again. Let's not forget Lebron
meets the standards on stats, you know, in achievements and
championships and all of that, and now we're going further
with his character as a husband, as a dad, as
his positions. He's taken all of that. That's what I
define subjectively as great. Yes, I'm not gonna define that
(29:34):
with Kobe unless we're talking about a parameter of stats
and you know all of that. But if we're talking
about somebody being silent when it comes to oppression, you'll
never find them in my great category it And it
ain't nothing wrong with that. We just need to know
Tupac is gonna resonate with me different than Jada Kiss
(29:55):
and Jada Kiss can be a better rap. I'm gonna
use that as an example, but that's not where I'm
they They got class classes about Tupac, that's it, just
right now today, thirty years ago. That's greatness to me,
nobody got. They don't have classes about Biggie Small. So
I'm not gonna argue you said that argument every year
about when he make you dance, well, y'all like dancing,
y'all boots on the ground type people. So that ain't
(30:16):
with that ain't how I define legacy and greatness and
stories that inspire, and you know all of that.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
And that's what three classes about Tupac are about, not exactly,
not just his music, but everything else, what he stood for, everything.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Else would he stood for. So no, I'm not gonna
let you say anything about Killer Mike. But he may
be a better rapper. It doesn't matter. The sacrifice is
made to speak on even if you don't agree with
everything he's done. Your favorite rapper ain't says shit about nothing.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
And you and I have seen Killer Mike in the
background do things too.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Checking the single service your rappers, your rapper y'all love
would never so to me, it's his Grammy Awards to
me was a different award based on what God wanted
him to have. Don't I always have to be about
the song or this or that. You know, it's no
You've been awarded here on earth for other reasons that
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maybe y'all can't see.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
It's all about just being subjective and whoever whoever's looking
at it get to define the rules. That's why different
judges let stuff go, some don't, Some write opinions about it,
some disagree. You know that. That's what's fun about it.
The point is, though, whatever you say stand on business.
That's the point. All right, guys, this has been great.
It's been a long one, but I appreciate y'all joining me.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
It's been a good one. Thank you for the questions, Marism.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
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Speaker 4 (32:10):
M HM
Yea from.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
You don't want to ask your question.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Let's just keep it real straight shot with.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
No Chase it.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
So I'm gonna get a little bit rough. I'm here for it.
Those who really believe in the American process, all of
us Street Shot No Chase with your Girls had to
figure out on the Black Effect podcast Network network.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
So that's knowing your role in your characteristics, your personality
is really important because that dictates where you can be successful,
where you can actually contribute. And so you gotta know
that mm hmm, and that's okay with it and be
okay with it. Michelle could do great at so many
other things that I'm just I'm not.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I don't want to have the tolerance and patience for it.
My level of expectations are probably gonna be way higher.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
On saying aren't gonna be way higher. That's not probably
don't need to on this, You'll be way hired.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
There are some things I might be loose about, like
when Marcelle with the podcast you ready to podcast, but
I tell him, I said, hey, stay on me because
I need to be dah dah dad. You know, the
job still get done, you know, But there's still some
things where I'm just like when it comes to like
some stuff. No, marcell No, No, Like, what do you mean?
I was on Michelle ass like when I tap in,
(01:24):
But you need me to tap in because I'm gonna
be okay, that sound good. How many doors you say?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Though?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Again, well I went and did okay, and that would't
translate to what the doors though, I'm trying to get
back to the.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Doors of the day.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yeah, go to go through person with Michelle. Yeah, because
you want to preserve the relationship, because I wan't hear
nothing about No, she emailed it and she was snitching.
You know, Jay was stitching on Michelle plenty times. You
know Michelle is over here being an ab me in
todays work.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Is that type of stuff to make Canada's unlovable. So
I know what it's like to be an unlovable candidate.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Oh no, she's a lovable candid. No, she's a great candid. Guys,
don't know you've had something that you know you ain't
that at all. No, that's not it. No, I'm not
gonna let you. I pick on you, but I'm not
gonna let I'm not gonna let that. No, Michelle is
actually a great candidate. I'm saying for me though, because
my personal expectation for Michelle personally, you know what I mean,
(02:37):
I'm gonna hold her real high because you run around
saying you my damn sister.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
So anybody that listen, yes, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
You don't get to just what you mean. Yes, you
know what I mean. So let's soften the blow and
let's have somebody in the middle and putting it in
Jada in the middle and let her go, you know,
or like I do you mar that like if I
have you reached out somebody like no, just talk to
myself about This's a reason why, right, I don't want
to go out, you know, I want to keep somebody motivate,
(03:08):
you know, people expect you to be and then there's
some people like sending the turn and we could never
have a goal between between us. I would never allow
a goal between between I got to deal with her
head up because the goal between gonna be so nervous
to talk to her about. I'm the only one to
tell her you need to take a nap.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Well, let me ask me ask this last question. This
should be a good one because I like stories. But uh,
Michelle asks you, what surprised you the most about tests
on a campaign since it was like your first time
meet her.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Oh what surprised me the most?
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Like I like it could be a story, you know,
with your witness or whatever.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Oh my what I witness? Oh boy, be endless. You
gotta know what, Yeah, you gotta never you could just.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Give one one good one that you remember the most.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
You know it And I'll keep thinking about this if
it come up. When Tess get to talking, I will
give another answer, but I will never forget her pulling
me to the side, saying, they gonna turn you against me,
and you gotta make a decision. And it happened almost immediately.
(04:34):
I had we had gotten each other's resumes before we
got on the campaign. I remember reading her resume thinking,
oh shite, it brought oh boy, like this, this is
not to be something, because her resume was stacked. And
there's a part of me that wondered if it was
gonna be friction, if it was gonna be a problem.
(04:55):
And I remember just thinking, you know what it is,
what it is, You be excited that you got talent
on the team, and hope for the best, you know,
just be open for whatever comes. And when I came
and picked her up. When I said we hit it off.
We must have went to I don't remember what restaurant was.
It was some chain restaurant. As soon as I picked
her up, we grabbed drinks and we just had an understanding,
(05:17):
like out the gate, no problem, no friction, no nothing.
We just had an understanding. When one of our first
events happened, there was just we fell into our roles
and there was no that first rally out in Iowa,
I think she probably learned a lot about me, and
I learned a lot about how she worked, and it
was intuitive. They had given us the wrong directions, the
(05:39):
wrong location for the Iowa then, but because his operates
at a level of excellence that is beyond most people,
we had left two hours before, being two hours early,
(05:59):
two hours early drive through the event. So we were
four hours early to an event that was only supposed
to take forty five minutes to get to, and thankfully
we were because we had been driving for an hour
to find out that we were going to the wrong location.
And so you know, the things like that that that
(06:20):
really showcased who Tess was and allowed me to showcase
who I was. You know, I drove with my foot
up on the side.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Of the glad. You said that, Yeah, learned shells quirks.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Let's get to that about her.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Well, yeah, nowhere reason I gotta eat all outside the
window while driving by the window.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Hey, every twenty minutes.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
The house she packs, you know, getting to the airport.
You know, I'm big on time. Oh my god, the
least go going on. Must always try to put me
to have small talk. She learned, I do not do
small talk.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yet that's the moment. That is the moment. So we
went the lobby at the hotel. And by this point
I've learned she don't like small talk, but I play
all day. You know, Gemini is sagittaries rising, Gemini sign
all I do is play, And she'd have made it
clear she don't like small talk, and I'm gonna move
(07:19):
to play. We sitt look in the lobby one morning
it's this girl out there and she was working on
the campe. Remember who she was, what she was doing?
And she walks us to us and she's, OK, how
are you guys doing? I go we are great, and
Tess does a little I'm about to walk away to
the side because I don't want no small talk and
(07:41):
Jess as she walks away, I said, hey, Tess, me
so and so this is Sarah, Sarah, this is Tess.
And she looks at me and it cuts her eyes
and it looks to kill that moment, I would have
been and walked off like I have no problem like you.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
You're I'm never going to be embarrassed, Marcella. So you
can continue to push the line and I'll just tell
them maham, I don't do small talk, So I don't
know why watch pushing his line. She did it every time,
like a rental counters whatever. Then finally she'd be like
she doesn't like small talk, Yeah, I don't, and you know.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Well, and if we meet somebody at rental counters who like,
it's a probable her now like a small talk. And
this is where I learned to just kind of put
my head in my hands, because why don't people leave
Tess alone? That's an enduring question that I have that
she answers every time, and it never resonates. We at
the counter and she's being polite. One thing about Ted,
she won't be you know, she don't starting at this,
(08:38):
she don't start talking crazy. She'll tell you know, assertively
and politely. Hey, I appreciate this, but I'm not in
the small talk. We're really trying to get to where
we get into and he clicks back, you know, oh,
well I'm just trying to and she's and she does
it again. She gives them a second chance. You know,
I hear you. But you know, we really got somewhere
to go. We just really need to get the car.
(08:59):
And at this point, I already know where this is going.
It's gonna go south, like because if he keeps talking.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
And I say to him, look, look, look, listen, just
it's okay, just give us the car. What what do
you have?
Speaker 1 (09:13):
She goes. You know, they training Marcellus to do with
enter problem, you know, like it's a part of the training.
Like they literally are supposed to do small talk. They
just gotta do it. Yeah, it's a part of the
it's the upsell technique is But some people just are
uncomfortable about just being silent. Just like when I was
at the dinnist last week when I'm clearly playing on
my phone and we're waiting on the stuff to you know,
(09:33):
my mouth to get mom. So, hey, what do you
And I said, it's okay. I'm okay with silence. And
he said, well, you know, I think we were just
sitting here, right and we're just sitting here, just sit here.
So I just so it's a little things like that.
It could be a bunch of stories going on and on,
but it.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Was tell you, and that's the thing. The guy wouldn't listen.
And then it just when it went south, and I
just stood back and I couldn't say nothing at that
point because it's doing you.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
You're not listening. And to this day, when people get
on tensis lives or any of that, people get to
doing what they do, I just be like, but why though,
don't y'all know, don't y'all y'all.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Don't want to live. I don't. Everybody gets a chance
to learn. And Marcellus loves it. By early day when
I was like, I'm physical live, so but I can't
afford to miss it. Just y'all make me think I'm
a terible person. I'm really a nice person. I get
(10:34):
heart for real, like I get my heart leveled out it.
I care about everybody, I really really do, I sincerely do.
But I also, you don't know who I am and
know what it is, and that's just what it is,
you know.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
So, Tens, you've been there for me for some of
my biggest life moments and have been nothing but caring
and loving and empathetic. And so anybody that would would
take any of this and make that their takeaway is
missing the main point. Love also shows up as telling
you what you need to hear. Love also shows up
as putting Jade in the middle because I care enough
about the relationship to make sure there's that space. Love
(11:08):
is also telling you outright at the beginning that I
really don't do small talk and we really need to
get this car politely before I go in on you back.
And so anybody that thinks otherwise, it's missing the point.
You are loving, caring, loyal, and will go to the depths,
you know, to the ends of the earth for the
(11:29):
people you care for, which is why, like you said,
you got to have the boundaries and spaces and be
mindful about who you pour into and how you pour
into them, because you can't go to is the earth
if you don't have enough in your taint. So don't know,
I don't want nobody else to think different. Tez I
appreciation in fourth and fifth death.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
No, I appreciate it. And it's people in my life
now that you know. Conversational another day, but just I
offer so much patience and grace, way more than I
ever would Michelle, And they don't have a clue, Like
I'm just how I just be letting you make it.
(12:09):
But that's what love is, yes, patient and kind, and
it sees deeply and not personal, and understanding that your
reaction may not have anything to do with me and
may come from a different level of pain, you know.
And so that's why people close to me is really important,
(12:31):
because I gotta have cause regular everybody else I'm just
gonna deal with you, Ill deal with you. But I
also you know, I try to pour into people when
I can't. Just like when I had the live earlier
and he was like, I know you worked on national campaigns,
but just see my perspective, because what I did matter
to what he was saying wasn't feeling seen, and I
(12:51):
needed to let him know that's not it. I'll invite
you on the show all the time. If I didn't
think you were important, I wouldn't have you on the show.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
But there's a deeper message to he's going through and
I'm not saying I'm just this is hitting me now,
the transition he's going through in life of going from
one community group to another, you know, and feeling kind
of left out and ostracized. That tells me and person's
trying to find their footing. You know, where do they belong?
And I know everybody hasn't walked with the same surety
(13:19):
that I have. And this hasn't been my choice, That's
just what God gave me. Just gave me that gift.
So I try to be I try to be patient,
but at the same time, I do hold an expectation.
Michelle said one day, you know you I watch you
handle such and such a kid gloves. You don't do
me like that, I said, Michelle, because your level of
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greatness requires something different. You know, you have different goals.
And Jay, you're trying to be in politics. You in politics.
You in a dog yet dog world. You're not my
girlfriend that teaches third grade. What the hell are you
talking about. If you want to be the girlfriend teach
third grade, go teach third grade. But if you want
to be a beast in this and you want to
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be representative, Watley or Senator Wattley and all of that.
We ain't got time to be center talking about no kid,
but what are you talking about? You want to go
crayon and color all day, Go do that. But if
you're gonna be in this, you gotta have some armor
built built up in you. So I gotta push you
in ways that. No, it's not gonna be like that.
You gotta be. And it's not that they're weaker. They
(14:23):
just got different callings on their life. They're designed to
talk softly because of the third graders. Right, you try
to go talk to the governor and you can tak
I got time to be sent up talking to you
about girl. Please, you better figure it out, you know
what I mean. So it just depends on what side
you get, you know. But I've learned a lot, and
I've learned I wanted to give Michelle flaus and I'm
(14:44):
gonna get off for real. I've learned a lot through
my friendship with Michelle. I joke a lot back getting
rid of her. I mean, really wasn't a joke. What's real?
I really was trying to get rid of her she was, Yeah,
I really was because I and it's because having friends
is very overwhelming for me, you know what I mean.
I mean like it's a lifelong thing. It's not a
I've had the same best friends since I was ten
years old. I don't switch up, you know, I don't
(15:07):
have Oh these are my friends in middle school, and
these are my friends in high school. And these are
my friends in the military, and these are my friend
in college. You know what I mean. These are my
friends when I was married. These are know, I got
the same friends, literally same friends. So I don't have
new boxes that I need checked or field or anything
like that. I hold those positions very sacred to me.
(15:28):
But I am grateful for Michelle in my life because
having my girlfriends my two best friends don't do what
I do. So I haven't had a peer or colleague
girlfriend that I can trust and talk about and you know,
you know, workshop things out push my leadership, make me better,
give me space to unpack certain things that just a
(15:50):
lot of women are just not gonna understand of being
in this space. And so I'm very grateful for that
for sure, because even if Michelle's calling saying, Okay, I
need to unpactice, I'll make sure I'm not going off
with me too, Am I seeing this right? Girl? Tell
me that you need somebody's familiar with this space at
least kind of you know, walk you through it a
little bit. And I never had that. Nobody My family's
(16:14):
in this business, nobody, you know what I mean. I
don't have a lot of friends. I know people in
this business, but again I choose not to attach myself
to people. So one thing about politics is having a
close confidant, you know, somebody you can really tell something
and know it doesn't leave. And so Michelle has truly
truly been that for sure. So I guess I don't
(16:34):
show you enough flowers. It's starting to get.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Uncomfortable, I see, So let's don't. Let's go and bring
it back to a close.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Yep. She's got to be.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Careful what you ask God to bless you with. I've
always wanted someone to put me in a big sister,
and this is what it looks like. And I appreciate
you feeling that.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I appreciate you too for real, and we appreciate you too,
Marcella's you the best. Somebody said the other day they
love your lab. They love having myself, and there's value
of that. I would have never thought of you popping
in from the comments. You'd be sitting there right down
(17:15):
with me. Ship, I guess five years and.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
After you, yeah, five years we needed we respect.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
I'm loving every moment that I'm still learning.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
I'm learning how you said, I'm learning. You like learning
real time the girls.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
And he is a soldier for the work that you do.
Test I'll never forget. We were at that train and
he marched right up the middle of the house.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
To tell me.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I said, okay, okay, I provide no fear.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
That's what that's what this little role, I said, Marcella,
I need to be doing and such and such. You've
got to be done. He gives damn back in the
middle of the sentence, and none of that. And one
thing that you give him some instructions, he's gonna follow them. Instruction.
Now that's for that right that when it comes to
picking up greens, go all outside of that, because he
(18:16):
bb ain't all off course. Else you on course, he said,
when to come to the main course myself, can he
get my greens? So she said she got it. She
said she got it all.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
One wait and then and I learned. I think she'd
be trying to set me over. She'd be like, uh,
like if we gonna go somewhere to eat, Oh, you know,
you don't have to be on you know, on time,
just be between this time I still need.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I didn't mean that that day though, I wouldn't Michell
know for sure, but that day I was one of
That day it really was. I was like, no, we're
gonna be between twelve and twelve that we was really relaxing.
But when it comes, because you know, just a casual
kind of pop up, but events like oh yeah, you
already know, I'd like to make sure because I like
(19:04):
to cover for all the things that could possibly happen,
you know. So anyway, story for another day. We got
a time management a webinar that I know I'm gonna do,
and it just makes it. It makes a difference. He
always missing flights, missing this vincing that I fly all
the time. And I was thinking about you, Michelle. I
was like, no, there's certain things. He's like, No, the
gate gonna be right there. And I was thinking about
how I've worked with you on that, like stop just
(19:26):
assuming you know, if you if you don't just assume
it's I was gonna be gate fourteen, because if you
were in line when it started boarding, you would have
known they switched to to gate fifteen.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
But you didn't do that. So those small things, Oh,
I still got time, and then you go to the
last minute. Oh what's the point of Russian I'm just
gonna get on and they have to wait, Well, they
switch gates. It's those small little tools, you know, that
just make a difference in efficiency, and we'll we'll talk
about those things. But Michelle has been great with me
giving her different tools that I know just work.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
You know.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
There's systems to things, small things like you know, as
soon as you go through Tessa, put your phone in
your probably, you know, so you won't lose your phone.
Get a system, a habit about where you're putting things
and picking up things. We learn that by living together,
stop scattering stuff all everywhere that way, last minute, you're
not losing things. Keep things the same, you know. So
just little things like that, guys that as we talk
(20:18):
about training, when I tell y'all that I'm going to
do training training out, I mean it. I'm not just
talking about, you know, just the basics. I'm talking about
when we get done with the basics, webinars, time management,
how to be efficient, how to do you know, officer
of things? And I've bringing on people like Michelle and
Chreasse and so many others. They can just give you
tools that can make a difference in you changing your
entire race around and your entire community around, just by
(20:41):
knowing one or two little things that could have made
a difference that were very, very small and minute. I
know I'm long winded. I give a lot of information,
but I promise guys, if you just pick up some
of this, it'll make sense.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I've been in training for ten years and again everything
from my political ideology to how I transtravers through airports
I can get through airports has shifted, And so you
don't want to miss out on the opportunity to to
learn those tipbits that could literally make the difference in
your race.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, it could make a big difference. Sufficiency. Michelle is
smart as a web master's degree, traveled abroad, but sometimes
you just need She's has a situation now where she's
looking for some places relocating all that, and I was like, Michelle,
I need to do is go to do blah bla
blah blah blah, don't go in town and look around like, oh,
it did make a difference. Those small little things, you know,
(21:29):
tweeks yep, small tweaks like Marcella's. Did she show you
how to put up the step? Repeat? Yeah, she called
me Michelle. Actually he did. She didn't to put it up? Well,
I thought she showed you. Oh, well she told me
see small things. See when Michelle, I would have known
(21:50):
and say, did she physically show you? But I mean
like Marcella's. I'm Marcella's. I'm learning now I know she
don't you Marcella's as then put it out? Take that?
Then he cried, and Michelle said, well it was at target.
Well white a man and Marcella's. You had at your
apartment for two weeks straight. What about that? You have
(22:12):
plenty of time.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
But it was her responsibility to show me.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
You can get no excuses out ten she ad.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
From home. This is basic, Michelle. One on one ship.
I'm way ahead of it. You don't know how many time.
Michelle then did this ship? But she'll walk cross so
you can walk Marcella's. I already did this ship? You
did you? You you coming in late? Already did this?
Oh that's what you mean that ship. Marcella's do it too.
(22:48):
Oh she'll do that. Michelle's been doing that for ten years.
Like it's so big epiphany. Oh, now I get it.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
It's little tweak your voice from eight to attend that
makes it hit different.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
You said this six times Michelle before you know. Yeah,
but you just say it like this this typing girl night.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
See you got a tweak.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
So try different, you try something different, I said to Michelle.
And already ran every every piece of the game you
was trying to. Now, Michelle did it from a learning
if they passed at the union. But it ain't gonna
pay us, alady, we don't do union politics.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
And I went to the end of the video to say,
I'm like union carpet there. That was my first career,
So I get it. Marcella's this a whole different ball game.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
So Marcella's tried it was gonna call that every time
the best thing batter. See all everybody else accountable. That's
what m.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Voting.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Oh girl, don't to but you too, such and such.
He definitely passed a little bit, like if you gotta
hold the line, everybody else got a hold.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
So and so because what what you know, okay, make
you the best, because I said, I said, where we're
going to eat today, We're gonna go to set such
they got the best.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
And he said, according to me, no tell me something,
because once you say it's the best, you gotta go
back in and add the prentice and say.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
To me, okay, then because I have a disclaiming when
messing with that, Yes.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
You do, because you said, and I'm glad he did it.
And then even when he was in the line, he said,
now that macaroni cheese ain't cheesy. According to me, let
me talk like we do up on the line. You
said it, so we got to on it. You standing
on it too, So you two or three words can
(24:58):
make a difference like I do. Say cord to me, okay,
I can understand that. What I don't understand is the
absolute because now you got to meet the level of
a standard, and you add it.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Ain't want we the standard. Don't do no volunteer line
vola line.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
You call it with people volunteer lit a lot, Joe Biden,
you stand on it with the disclaimers. Never use the absolutes.
Always allow yourself to scape round, Always get good to go.
We can navigate the conversation. No, sir, they hat to
(25:39):
make it the best at it though. They won't pull
it on you nowhere to take these tools and get
you promise you that's just.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
How you wear your kid paign. You tell your neighborhood,
your community, all that. That's what you go back here.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
That's exactly if what that can they talking about? This
ain't the court of law. Not you with no with
your handle talking about for x y Z. Yeah, this
actually is the quarter. You gotta know how to operate
with your words. You know what you mean. That's samantas.
It ain't samantas. You said verbatim x y Z. That
ain't semantics. You're moving the gold posts. Just say, let
(26:11):
me rephrase. They do it in the court of law
all the time. Objection, Let me rephrase, just rephrase it.
Don't go back talking about no what I did? No, No,
no rephrase, Yes, sustain, that's what sustain is about. Let
me rephrase. Let me ask it another way. Okay, this
ain't with Okay, I'm breaking the rules. Let me say
(26:33):
this over rule you understand. That's the reason if you
operate your mind that way. What you mean? This ain't
no court, Yes, it is politics is the law. It
literally the law literally, so you need to be thinking
like that. You need to be barbershop talk. I don't
like barb that's we don't like small talk. When charlotterother
but best small talk, I don't like small talk because
(26:55):
small talk doesn't have a lot of rules. It's just
random talking, and I don't I'm not fulfilled by that.
You know, I do like to have fun. I'm silly, Michelle,
you know, I'm sitting we have when it's the dumb time, downtime.
I'm cool with dumb and silly and all of that.
But if we're gonna really start having some conversations, and yeah,
(27:15):
that's why I don't like having certain conversations. People just hey,
let's just talk about something random. I don't want to
get into this because my mind is only set up
one way. I'm not gonna be set up having no
barbershop conversation. I don't like hypothet What are the rules?
What are we talking about? You know, other than that
who's the best of all time? And then arguing for
forty five minutes and you haven't even set up what
(27:36):
the best is?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Right? The parameters?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Now we can go into it and see, because that's
gonna change based on what we're talking about. If we
say the greatest athlete of all time, if we talking
about stats and sports and achievements and championships and all that, Okay,
that might be Michael Jordan, but we're talking about doing
something you negroes would never do today and ain't never
did we gonna talk about Muhammad Ali is the greatest
(28:02):
of all times because y'all would never Michael Jordan would never,
literally would never. He said, keep me out of y'all bullshit.
I don't do politics. So my definition of greatness, according
to what the Bible say, separate the goat from the sheep,
who was standing from the least of these. My subjective
moral compass is gonna lean towards uh Muhammad a Li. Now,
(28:29):
if you want to say who's the greatest, when to
come to stats and all of that, okay, we can
have that conversation. But if you want to talk about
a person's character, I don't exclude the character. Lebron James
is gonna be the greatest to me. I don't have
to because his stats already meet the expectations of greatness. Right,
So we talk about meat and exceed. It already meets
(28:50):
in the big arment. Boyfriend, about this a out of that,
you diminishing ain't not No, Just because I'm saying I
like Lebron don't mean I'm diminishing something else. Y'all need
to understand that just because I like cotton candy don't
mean I don't don't like strawberries. Right, It just mean
I like cotton candy. But if I'm gonna define great athlete, yes,
(29:10):
I'm going to look at again. Let's not forget Lebron
meets the standards on stats, you know, in achievements and
championships and all of that, and now we're going further
with his character as a husband, as a dad, as
his positions. He's taken all of that. That's what I
define subjectively as great. Yes, I'm not gonna define that
(29:34):
with Kobe unless we're talking about a parameter of stats
and you know all of that. But if we're talking
about somebody being silent when it comes to oppression, you'll
never find them in my great category it And it
ain't nothing wrong with that. We just need to know
Tupac is gonna resonate with me different than Jada Kiss
(29:55):
and Jada Kiss can be a better rap. I'm gonna
use that as an example, but that's not where I'm
they They got class classes about Tupac, that's it, just
right now today, thirty years ago. That's greatness to me,
nobody got. They don't have classes about Biggie Small. So
I'm not gonna argue you said that argument every year
about when he make you dance, well, y'all like dancing,
y'all boots on the ground type people. So that ain't
(30:16):
with that ain't how I define legacy and greatness and
stories that inspire, and you know all of that.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
And that's what three classes about Tupac are about, not exactly,
not just his music, but everything else, what he stood for, everything.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Else would he stood for. So no, I'm not gonna
let you say anything about Killer Mike. But he may
be a better rapper. It doesn't matter. The sacrifice is
made to speak on even if you don't agree with
everything he's done. Your favorite rapper ain't says shit about nothing.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
And you and I have seen Killer Mike in the
background do things too.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Checking the single service your rappers, your rapper y'all love
would never so to me, it's his Grammy Awards to
me was a different award based on what God wanted
him to have. Don't I always have to be about
the song or this or that. You know, it's no
You've been awarded here on earth for other reasons that
(31:10):
maybe y'all can't see.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
It's all about just being subjective and whoever whoever's looking
at it get to define the rules. That's why different
judges let stuff go, some don't, Some write opinions about it,
some disagree. You know that. That's what's fun about it.
The point is, though, whatever you say stand on business.
That's the point. All right, guys, this has been great.
It's been a long one, but I appreciate y'all joining me.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
It's been a good one. Thank you for the questions, Marism.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Absolutely thanks all right. Please, if you like what you
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