The "Do For Self' Debate

Join Tezlyn Figaro as she takes calls to debate and discuss what it means to 'do for self' entrepreneurship vs a job. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:54):
Say I don't want to ask your question real, Let's just.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
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to get straight to the conversation that I keep having

(01:23):
over and over and over on Instagram. Over and over,
I keep having this conversation. I want to do a
live show. I want to invite folks to come in
debate with me, teach me.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
I want to be.

Speaker 5 (01:36):
In the student pasture tonight, Marcellas, can I just get
in the student posture? I want to know why is
it every time I post empathy or any type of
concern for the three hundred thousand folks who are going
to be impacted with the federal layoffs. Why is it

(01:58):
somebody comes in the comments and say do for self?
They always say due for self? And so I want
to know. I want you all to educate me tonight.
I see we got somebody in the building. It's already
ready to go. You can turn your camera off. I
want to know what do you mean when y'all say
do for self? So the question that I have if

(02:18):
a contract administrator who's been working for the government for
the last ten fifteen years, the contract administrator no longer
has a job as the disability adjudicator. I used to
be one at the Social Security Administration. Marcelli's they say
due for self, So we're gonna unpack what due for
self mean tonight because I need I need somebody to

(02:39):
help me on dupe for self.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
So let's invite. This is a live show you are on.

Speaker 5 (02:44):
You are giving me permission to post this on straight Shot,
no Chase or podcasts.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
And we're gonna get into the dupe for self conversation.
Yeah teach me too, Yeah teach Marcella. We want to
be we want to be taught. We want to be taught.

Speaker 5 (02:58):
We did all the due for self is y'all come
on up and let's have a conversation. I just invited
somebody in the room. Y'all welcome. We want to do
a big three way call we're gonna do for self.
Let me let me unmute. It's spelled O p h
E I oh O p h E l I A.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
I'm unmuting you.

Speaker 5 (03:16):
I'm asking you to unmute you ain't got to turn
on the camera because I know y'all doll never like
turn on the camera. Y'all don't never want to talk
about nothing and show nothing. If you don't turn your
mic off, if you don't turn your mic on, then
I'm then I'm thinking you just planning. So turn your
mic on and teach me on do for self. Somebody
got to teach me on this due for self. If

(03:36):
somebody lose their job as a disability administrator at the
Social Security Administration Office, what job or what business are
they supposed to start?

Speaker 1 (03:51):
No? No, do for self? No. See, that's where you're
getting confused.

Speaker 5 (03:56):
Bamma boy, they say, when this person must be playing,
I'm I'm an extra. You out because I don't know
I've invited you, So I need to ask you out.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
If you know if you in here just planning.

Speaker 5 (04:08):
No, they they say, working a job ain't doing for self.
They say working a job is not doing for self.
So their answer continues to keep being do for self.
So somebody educate me on what due for self is.
Let's bring the Sean Fharoh media who commented, do for self?
Educate us love me and Marcellus is waiting I just

(04:30):
accepted you to the Call Live show.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
This is your time to shine and teach me. Hello,
how are you?

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yes? So tip tests with Peace Black Pot with don
Seaun Farah to go through a radio be love it.
When I said you for sure, I was not at
all belitterally anyone who's working in nine to five jobs.
I was really saying that we, as people of African descent,
for quite some time, we have dependent on the very
peaceeople that we complained about in terms of oppressing and

(05:02):
so I was merely re reinner reading. But uh, Elijiah Mohammed,
Marcus Garby Booker T. Washington said, except force, I wasn't
at all trying to cure a lack of empathy for
those who are getting ready to lose their job. But
I was explained against that other communities. You're absolutely correct,
most uh the black middle class definitely was created by uh,

(05:25):
you know, us getting federal jobs. However, I've always stated,
uh me being a Pan Africanist, me coming in the
tradition of Garvey, Elijah Muhammad books in Washington, et cetera.
I've always said that the black community needs to be
economically uh stable in the event that we do get
let go of. So I wasn't at all uh saying

(05:48):
that to be dismissed it. I've always emphasized, as others
have a doctor John in Rick Clark co Many, the
concept of economic uh stability. You know, our brother doctor
Anders Wilson here pris's many much of this in this
book Blueprint for Black Powers. And that's what I was saying.
Oh yes, here's where the economic education comes in. We

(06:11):
have our brother claud doctor Claude Anderson, doctor Boyce Watkins,
who have explained to what's the importance of saving our
money pulling our resources. So that's what I was saying.
So listen something that Elija Muhammad said. He said, Okay,
if you're going to work, quote to the white man
die to five in our para freezing, make sure you
don't make that money still an honest works pig, hit

(06:32):
a job or create one for yourself. So that's all
I was saying. I wasn't all being dismissive, but I
was coming from the tradition that I was raised on. Okay,
I believe in black superronis. I believe in black independence,
something that was advocated by many of our great ones.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Okay, no, okay, well, thank you for joining man.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
I just want to unpack this a little bit though,
because we are of the same mindset.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
For sure.

Speaker 5 (06:55):
I've been self employed for seventeen years, and what I
am finding to be frustrating. Thank you again for joining me.
What I'm finding frustrating is when I am talking about
what is happening in two weeks. You may not have
been dismissive, but there is a conversation that is having,
that is being had in the conscious community, that is saying,

(07:16):
you know, people just need to do for yourself. So
I went to your page and I see you're in media.
Not all forty six million black people are going to
want to have a podcast. We can't all be online
on YouTube all day because what that would mean is
forty six hundred of us are watching YouTube all day,
listening to do for self messages and nobody's actually working
a job. So what I what I find, what I

(07:40):
find and not with you. But what's important in this conversation,
Like I was talking to my brother nineteen kys the
other day, we must be realistic with people also on
what it means to be self employed. We must also
remember that we are in America. So this idea of
complete independence and not having to depend on anything or
nothing at all is getting lost in the conversation because

(08:01):
the reality of it is, yes, everybody is not an entrepreneur.
The reality of it is everybody doesn't have the capacity,
everybody doesn't have the capability.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Everybody doesn't want.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
To take a risky job, so a risky to have
a business. So if we're gonna talk about do for self,
let's actually really talk about Let's talk about how sometimes
two years at a time, I don't get a payment.
Let's talk about how people don't pay their contracts on time.
Let's talk about how I looked at your page. You
got cash app up, I'm taking cash apps, we takeing donation.
One would argue that's not doing for self. Let's talk

(08:32):
about how I don't have health care insurance. If something
happens to me right now, I would not be able
to afford health care insurance. So there is this conversation
of we just need to be totally independent. And the
problem that I'm having with that, brother is as you
just like you quoted doctor Claude Anderson. He also talked
about having political influence as well, So a lot of

(08:54):
what our brothers are talking about in the total reliance
conversation doesn't apply to a If you have a business,
if you want a legal business, you're gonna have to
deal with your city of Orlando, city of Houston, city
of Atlanta. If you're gonna have a legal business, you
actually need to have a permit. If you're gonna have
an actual location, you actually need to have a relationship

(09:14):
with the mayor. You actually need to get that permit.
If you're going to have a legal business, you actually
got to pay insurance, You actually got to pay employees.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
You actually have to have federal guidelines.

Speaker 5 (09:24):
If you're going to be something beyond just on YouTube
and want to say, okay, I want to get into
the media space, there's something called the FCC. So this
idea of we just need to be totally dependent on
each other, to me, when I'm talking about this, the
message of reality is getting lost. And you know what

(09:46):
is actually required to raise a family that costs the
average of forty thousand dollars a year for each child,
four hundred thousand by the time they're eighteen. Missing the
political conversation, I love my brother nineteen keys. You argue
about this all the time. You know you still you
are in America. There's no sovereign land. No, we don't
own lands. It's one percent of black farmers right now,

(10:07):
one percent, and we had to suit a government for that.
So I am about the long term vision, brother, But
what I'm talking about right now is three hundred thousand
black people will be laid off effective April first, March thirteenth.
These are people with transferrable skills that if they're I
was a disability adjudicated for one year with the government,

(10:29):
what other what do for self business?

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Are y'all talking about?

Speaker 5 (10:32):
Start a podcast on how to examine disability documents? I
mean the reality in everybody that I hear saying this
are podcasters.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
I'm just being real. Doctor Boyce Watkins.

Speaker 5 (10:43):
He sells seminars for one thousand dollars, five hundred dollars.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
I'm just keeping it real. They sell books, they sell
nineteen keys. You online, you won lie. Everybody ain't doing that, brother.
So what are these average everyday working folks.

Speaker 5 (10:56):
Supposed to do to pay the bills, to get the
health care, to get the support that they need?

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Right in a right now, not not no forty your vision,
but in right now.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Yep. Now, your point is well taken. It's just that,
you know, what I was really advocating is that oftentimes
when you and I, okay, as journalists, you and I
have covered these conventions that are put on by black professionals,
and whenever I brought up the concept of economic independence,

(11:27):
it's treated us though it is something that is alien
and oftentimes too many members of our community, specifically the
black bush bolseat, the black intellectuals, oftentimes frown upon the
concept of black economic independence. And though that's all I
was saying, well, can.

Speaker 5 (11:42):
You give me an example on black economic independence? What
that that don't have nothing to do with the government.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Okay, Well, here's the thing I'll never forget the time
where you know, you and I woke at APJ and
I remember the New York chapter of the Association of
Black Journalists. We had our monthly meeting, and one of
our national officers came, I forgot the brother's name, give
us some ESPN, and so I asked the question of

(12:09):
this was during the time when people were still a
lot of black journalists were still upset in the MSNBC
for hiring Retend Sharpton and other prominent black figures, so
didn't have a media background necessarily, but they were still hired.
And as you and I know, Mania, if our black
colleagues were upset with Chalkton, I wasn't one of them

(12:29):
because they felt that he didn't do enough to advocate
for black journalists to get hired. So I asked, I'm
a national officer from ANAPJA. I said, brother, what did
APJ consider if not creating a TV network, but at
least a radio network. You know, we see what joint
readers doing, work doing Kate Park to hire qualified black journalists.

(12:54):
And what he said to me, he said, well, brother,
we brother, weren't created for that, and there'll cost millions
and millions of dollars do that. And I said, well,
we spend millions and millions of dollars every year.

Speaker 5 (13:04):
Okay, so so not then interrupt your brother. But we
got that revoting. I don't see people supporting it. We
had it that black news channel.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
That's what point.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Okay, but let's but let me ask you this.

Speaker 5 (13:14):
And I'm I'm and I hate, I know, and I
hate to cut you off, but I gotta ask you
this because again, I want an example that don't don't
have nothing to.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Do with the media.

Speaker 5 (13:23):
Because see, it seemed like to me, everybody say, doude
for self is talking about the media, everybody talking about
being journalists, everybody talking about being podcasters, everybody talking.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
About early would you asked me to quit in the
comment section things? When it comes to entrepreneurship, I've learned
this about putting the comment section. I think tended that
we have to learn how I was always taught to
sell things that are constantly in the bank.

Speaker 5 (13:46):
So for what, So give me an example. So my question,
I asked you, brother, just just and I love this
is a great conversation. I'm putting this on my podcast,
by the way, But I just want to. I just
want a straight answer because I love the conscious brothers,
because you know, y'all love saying, well, you know such
and such doctors others have said in eighteenth you know
so I'm not smart enough all that.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
I just want to.

Speaker 5 (14:06):
I do want a simple answer, which is, wait, let
me just answer, Let me just answer.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Let me ask a question.

Speaker 5 (14:13):
Give give me a due for self product that doesn't
require the government, because I get maybe I'm getting confused
on this not being dependent on the government. I just
want an example of one thing that don't require the
government on this do for self self reliance.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Oh we just ma'am. I mentioned in the common section.
I mentioned just one organization for a month. Simple you have,
for example of the nation of the slum has a
cleaning fresh product.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Okay, but if I'm not But if I'm not but
if I'm not from I'm not a.

Speaker 5 (14:42):
Muslim, So give it to everybody, because the Muslims take
care of the Muslim Let's go and keep that.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Let's let's finish the point. Sure, yes, okay, sir, the cleaning.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
Fresh product just to any Apprican American or like the
purchase necessities you know, such as total people dealderates cleaning
fresh products whole self, not for nations of Aslam members
and that and I'm using that as an example of memory.
We also have the uh what was the name of
that brother that was killed? H Bridgetes?

Speaker 5 (15:10):
Remember, Okay, So can I ask you a question those
products are they not regulated by the government.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yes, this still regulated both the government. Everything we do
is regulated by the government just about. But at the
same time, if you were now working for a government job,
I would recommend getting involved in entrepreneurship. So many things
that are that are necessity.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
No, I got it, and so and we're so we're
on the same page. We're tracking.

Speaker 5 (15:34):
But a lot of the times these conversations, brother, they
act like like that stuff ain't regulated, or you don't
have to deal with the government, or you don't have
to get a license, when you.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
Would never hear me, I'm about on the whole sovereign tip.

Speaker 5 (15:45):
Oh okay, I just want to make sure because because
a lot of when I when I here, do for self.
That's what a lot of them are preaching as if
I go back and forth to my brother all the time,
like okay, if you if you're selling a product that's
going on somebody's body or going on whatever, you still
you're still regulated.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Oh no, listen, you and I are the same things
that listen. I deal with reality people. Yes, I'm a
registered that apple centric et centric cent But at the
same time I recognize that until we separate into an
independent nation of our own that we can call our own,
we still have to hear about the guidelines of the
white beat.

Speaker 5 (16:18):
That's right, and but and I give you some news,
it won't be no nation in America that this is
that now we want to go somewhere else, maybe that
this America's nation ain't giving it up, so.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
We should be doolessen it. You know, w Alice pointed
out that we have a steak here because we do this.

Speaker 5 (16:32):
Oh yeah, we got a stake, but it's theirs and
they're showing us that in real time. So that's why
I'm trying to figure out what to tell people on
March thirteenth.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (16:46):
So my next question is, so, so we're clear you
you and I agree that it takes government, that you
have to deal with the government to sell those things
that you're talking about. So what about somebody who don't
want to sell toilet paper? What are they support? Who's
gonna where's the can? So are supposed to buy it?
Are we all going to be sellers or are there
going to be some consumers?

Speaker 3 (17:05):
You're actually raised an excellent question. Test. Okay, this is
one of the reasons why Oh I'm sorry, someone said
I sound crazy, very interesting, a lot of sounding rather
balance going all black black black. So anyway, uh, definitely
you raised an excellent question. Beve it. This is one
of the reasons why we have to have more conversations

(17:26):
like this in the black spaces. You know the thing
you're doing, I believe on March thirty of your town. Oh,
this is why we have to have conversations that push
us towards uh, you know, independence, you know, something that
always always advocated. He was an Integraecianist and early in
his life, but he always advocated supporting independent black institutions.

(17:46):
And I've always said that regardless of who's in the
White House, as African Americans, we shouldn't even you know,
we should still uh we should still be somewhat self
efficient as little community talk but.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
See what not? But see and that's where I keep
self sufficient.

Speaker 5 (18:02):
Yes, but every community that has to have some type
of level of government interface. So why are we not
talking about, like doctor Claude Anderson said, by your own politicians,
have your own people. And know that's that's the only
thing I'm having a problem.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
We change. Yeah, once again, we're on the same things. Okay,
I think that the African I've always said this the teenager.
I always believe that our community dated backwards. We wanted
to get political power first. The money. When I say
get money first in political power work that way we
can control whoever's in wherever's in office, whether they look
like this or not.

Speaker 5 (18:37):
Well, well, I mean in order to get money again,
in order to get money, it requires political power and
then and and people are going to see that in
real time see these exactly. Yeah, but economics how though?
But economics how though? So we're so we're talking about
forty six uh huh.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Okay Fraser right, this book Black Bush Whiles also.

Speaker 5 (18:58):
Yeah, yeah, but I want to talk about books. I
want to talk a real time.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (19:01):
Let's let's because I got a I got a master's
and political science right, and they got right and all
of them. So if you have a bank, it got
to be regulated with the Department of Treasury. If you
if you're dealing with commerce, it got to be with commerce.
So I just really believe that we have to stop
because I understand what you're saying, but I'm telling you
how the message is landing on people who continue to
keep supporting these podcasts and supporting these dreams and supporting this.

(19:23):
We have to be Black Wall Street will still had
to adhere to some type of government involvement. So the economics,
so the economics that people unless somebody plan on selling dope,
but the economics are doing something illegal. The economists that's
required to open up that storefront. To open up those
things does require political capital. So it's not a matter

(19:44):
of doing it first or second or third, because if
it's up to.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Them, the business won't be open it.

Speaker 5 (19:50):
So I would rather a simultaneous message of how do
we get power?

Speaker 1 (19:55):
That is actually so the event I'm doing on the
thirty perfect example, Tip and t I. One would argue
they do very well. One would argue they do very well.

Speaker 5 (20:05):
They did not was not going to be able to
open up Bankhead Seafood without the mayor getting involved.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
It's a it is an.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
Area speaking to a register booter, Okay.

Speaker 5 (20:19):
But let me I know, but let me just finish
this point because I'm only speaking to him. You said,
we need the money first, and then the political power.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
I gotta.

Speaker 5 (20:25):
I gotta drive home that both are required simultaneously. Because
even though Killer Mike and Tip got plenty of money
to buy the whole block, it is an area that
they are regentified and they did not, repeat did not
want that restaurant open.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
They did not want to continue that black restaurant.

Speaker 5 (20:44):
So they had because of their relationship with the mayor,
the current mayor and the previous mayor. It's however, they
open up their restaurant because we can sit up here
and scream all day. We don't need the government, we
don't need a da da da No, it's having the
right people that can make the right hall, that have
a vested interest in what we're doing. And so the
problems that I'm just having with the dup for sale,

(21:05):
I know it's not everybody, and I'm not against anybody.
You know, I got plenty of conscious brothers that follow me,
so don't I don't have no problem with the independence
of it all. But it's important that we're educating people
about the whole process because at the end of the day,
they still have to have they still have to have
that a place open.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
They still had to have the permit.

Speaker 5 (21:23):
We still got a call down to the city of
the City of Atlanta to make sure we got tents
for the vendors the do for self vendors that are coming.
They actually need tents so they can have their stuff,
you know, display their stuff. So we at the call
city Hall to make sure that they can have tents.
And because Demetrius McCrae, who gives a damn about black
business because he's in a position of power, director of constituency,

(21:47):
gives a damn about having tents. So we can't exclude
that from the conversation and say, oh, we'll just do
it without the tents, because see, if we do it
without the tents, then that gives uh the opportunity for
the police to show up and then shoot somebody, kill
somebody because we because we responded in a hostil way.
So I just want to make sure that as we're

(22:08):
having this do for self self dependent, self reliance, we're
gonna all have our own nation. Just to remind people,
everybody's not a member of the of the Nation of Islam.
Everybody doesn't everybody.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Is not an entrepreneur.

Speaker 5 (22:22):
If we're gonna really be honest about it, brother, if
we're just gonna be real, the nation takes care of
the nation as they should, as they should, I know,
but I'm just using that as an example. But I'm
just using that as an exam because that's the most
self reliant that that is leadership.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
I make no mistake about it.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
There's plenty of it, but it ain't nothing like the nation,
and so we just have to we have to be
honest with people and say, the nation cake your name,
that's why you part of the nation.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
But I'm not gonna be part of the nation, brother, because.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
I'm reading some of the people's comments and perhaps they
tuned elite. I'm gonna have I'm gonna see this again
for those who are trying to get but Sovereign said,
I don't advocate that I'll buy something from that whole
just you don't get a new get a new Lorrish
pass forge. I'm not on that. Okay, what happened on that? Okay,
that's not bi okay. So I'm just letting people know

(23:12):
that I understand. You know, you have to obey the
laws that you live on, just as long as they
don't colic for uman ravity. So I'm just making that clear.
Oh just look up, you know, google me. You see
what I'm about.

Speaker 5 (23:22):
Okayreare No, Well, I don't worry about them. I'm loving
our conversation. Somebody in the classroom, listen, what black media
is missing all the time?

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Not you know, because I should say mainstream black media.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
So well yeah, well yeah, and that's fine. We're having
it now.

Speaker 5 (23:37):
You know I just like I said, I'm glad you
came on to clarify because as I every time I
say somebody these spederal job, somebody comes in and say
do for self. And so I just wanted to make
sure that we're we're having the complete.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
I've always said, okay, yes, as pull blackness athrocentric as
I am, I will never tell the person who don't
work man's job, that's not me. I believe my cheaking
ones get a job, eat one to yourself. I will
never shame a person. Let me let me give you
an example. You and I have both know sisters that
have had to dance ripples even when I was in

(24:14):
my undergrad das. You know our new systems that have
that dance to put themselves through school.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Is that due for self? By the way, is that
due for self? Is that due for self?

Speaker 3 (24:23):
Well, listen, I'm saying yes today, okay, I.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Just wanna make sure it failing to do for self
category right.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
You would never hear me saying, oh, my black pleague,
you're the brother's civilization. Don't dance to support yourself. I've
never been like that. You know why, because my thing
is if I cannot replace what you're making. You're making
ten thousand dollars a week literally, and our new sisters
that made that type of money dancing, I would never
tell her don't dance if I can't replace them in anything. Oftentimes,

(24:51):
and this is the problem that I'm noticing with a
lot of us holistic brothers and sistems. Wean't tell our
people don't eat pork, don't eat red meat. We take
that out of the house, and they don't replace them
in right.

Speaker 5 (25:00):
So let's so let's so let's unpack that with the strippers.
Let's let's let's go there. Somebody somebody gotta tip the strippers.
So yeah, should the the brother that work at the
federal job or the warehouse that ain't doing for self
who working out, don't he got to spend the money
on the stripper.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Somebody gotta pay the stripper.

Speaker 5 (25:19):
I'm just saying this duper said like if we we
all can't be somebody got to be consumers.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
People. When people have accused me of being uh too
involved in the system, and I've let them know. You know, listen,
I've actually had this to dat many times before. You know,
you accuse me of being full because I'm a member
five f the sigama. I said, But brother, I said,
you got you know, since you have a problem so
much with white supremacy and me being quote a Greek uh,

(25:46):
hand over those white person that you have in your pocket,
may tis.

Speaker 5 (25:50):
But but I want to make sure we answered my question.
The one that give a strip of the money besides
the dog dealers and the hustlers, the regular brother that
work at the corporate job, the regular brother, our sister,
if you will, the regular brother that's working for the
man at the warehouse, and all of them non do
for self? How do the striper get to ten thousand
a week if she say, well, you know, we only

(26:11):
going to circle circulate to do for self money. My
point I'm making here is, yeah, my point I'm making
here is everybody cannot do the same thing exactly.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
That's it. It can't. Everybody can't do the same thing.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
That's why I don't I say, I don't knock people
for having nine to five. You know, just recently I
was working two jobs Welco with my podcast.

Speaker 5 (26:33):
Right, yeah, I and I have whether it's uber whether
I've sold shoes or twelve dollars an hour. I don't
have no shame whether I sold cell phones at T Mobile.
I want people to know what really come with this.
Do for self by yourself? Running a business for seventeen years,
and I would think that I'm pretty I'm pretty good
at what I do, and I've made some pretty good accomplishments.

(26:55):
And even with that, even with that, they are whole
years where I don't get a due for self. Doggar
see that due for self means zero many many times.
And so a lot of people can't handle that level
of risk, that level of stress that I have not.
And the reality is, and I was an African American
Ambassador chairperson in Orlando, the reality of it is most

(27:17):
black businesses due for self. Black businesses have one or
two employees at best. It is very hard to scale
up because we got the lack of capital because you
gotta go to the white folks to get the capital.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Say, I know, we say dupe for self, but they
got the capital.

Speaker 5 (27:30):
So a lack of capital or we don't the contracts
we do try to get, y'all say, don't do that
because that ain't doing for self.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Don't go to the government to get no.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
Contract so who's supposed to give us the multi million
dollar contracts to get into an economic position to actually
be middle class, which is eighty thousand, two hundred and
twenty thousand per year. So there's just missing some there's
a lot that's missing from this, and I'm just finding
it very disturbing, and I'm glad you came on to explain.

(27:59):
But overall, Brother, just like somebody earlier said the same thing,
if you didn't come on to explain, I would have
thought you were just like him, because he came on
and said, duke for self, it's just a scare tactic.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
I'm on YouTube.

Speaker 5 (28:11):
But then when I went to the YouTube, it's two
UNDERD subscribers, and I know he ain't monetized on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
So I just feel a lot of people are selling dreams.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
Testament. I've always been derby ballanced. Like I said, you
know my fact you and I wanted. I've always followed
you for quite some time. It's because of the fact
that you're very balanced. You come into miodic balance. You're
not crazy. But I've listened for quite some time. You
may not remember this, but right after brother Typeek's reparations,
marn't you know I covered that the first one. You
and I want Twitter live because someone that put up

(28:42):
a video. I did a commentary and someone put up
a video spiceing it like I was knocking the march. Okay,
but you and I on Twitter line. But every once
in a while we've actually spoken. Okay, but I always
here yourself. You actually you're one of my heroes. I
actually look out actually thank you, yes, ma'am. Now, of
course they're probably gonna say that I'm call a whole
tel running game on you.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
No, no, they call that simping.

Speaker 5 (29:03):
Well, you know, anytime you know you ain't run a game,
that ain't a hotel run a game. Well, anytime a
man is nice to a woman, they call that simping. Yeah,
well I appreciate Can I can I simp for you back?

Speaker 1 (29:16):
If that's what being nice means. Yeah, I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (29:21):
I appreciate you coming on to have the dialogue seriously, because.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
Tony Brown and you know these to have to you know,
one of my one of my fist colleagues, Do it ease?
Are the type of conversation America's black forms. No love.
This is what we do is as you and I
for love it to not just black journalists. We are
revolution every black journeys, right.

Speaker 5 (29:42):
I just I guess, brother, My thing is, I just
know everybody can't be no journalists. You know, everybody don't
have to gift the gap. Everybody can't start a podcast.
Everybody can't. And and most of the people, I'm just
being honest, our brothers and sisters that that are out
here talking about self, they're YouTubers, so so we all
can be on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
I've snapped on people whenever, once again, whenever people have
accused me of being a member of the pool A,
you know, get up there attacking everybody, including other black
media personality such as ourselves. I'll let them know with
Wayne mccleoud, you must not be all that independent because
every night you have people send you thousands of dollars
of the white man's money. Right, you're getting the pool

(30:24):
A money, right.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
That's right, That's right, And that's all I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (30:28):
I just it would be disingenuous of me and not
did this engine wrong cruel if I did not tell
people the reality. I've gotten ten awards, half of them
on business Back to business, I've had three hundred employees
signed in the front of the check. I love entrepreneurship.

(30:49):
I won Entrepreneur of the Year last year with the
Department of Commerce. I'm with you, but I also have
to tell people the other side of that, of what
actually he comes with that? Why most businesses black, white, indifferent,
most businesses fail in the first year. Why I have

(31:11):
had to also work side hustle. I keep a substitute
teacher past every year, no matter what, you know how
much I'll make absolutely.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Let me tell you some attentions when I've had security certifications.

Speaker 5 (31:26):
I've had absolutely insurance certifications. I'm a certified mediator, man.
I make sure you know how much I make with
having two master's degrees at a substitute teacher one hundred
dollars a day.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
I keep that. Yeah, I keep that.

Speaker 5 (31:41):
Because I say, what about if revolt don't pay? What
about if I don't get another contract? What about if
I don't I need to be able to go to
that job and be able to say, if nothing else,
I can put food on the table for my child.
And so people who are intentionally misleading our people and

(32:03):
not focusing on I guess I want more responses focusing
on what do these individuals do three hundred thousand impacted,
the black middle class directly impacted. All of them are
not gonna start a podcast tomorrow. You need four thousand
watch hours, you need four thousand something subscribers.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (32:24):
I'm not monetized on YouTube. So even people with major
platforms don't make this so called money that people are
sitting up here pretending, in lying and capping, acting like
everybody making six figures from online. That's just simply not true.
And everybody don't want to sell products white labeling. If
you will, if we're gonna be honest about it, taking

(32:48):
the white man's product and putting the label on it
and saying, oh, okay, now I'm selling batteries or now I'm
selling this and selling the consumer still has to be
available to purchase the product.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
And that is the working class.

Speaker 5 (33:02):
So we must protect the working class, because if the
working class is not protected, nobody gonna be watching anything.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
I've told everybody, from comedians to rappers to.

Speaker 5 (33:12):
Podcast everybody, all of us have a vested interest and
what is happening to our community right now. I'm not
talking about who wrote what in what book twenty thirty
years ago. I'm talking about what is happening right now
in the next phase. What we are seeing now is
something we have never ever seen in our generation on

(33:32):
how the rug is getting ready to be pulled.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
This is not a scare tactic, it's not a game,
it's not a joke.

Speaker 5 (33:38):
These things that are getting ready to happen to black
people are being done so by policy, by policy. So
when people say policy don't matter, politiz ain't something about you,
I'm just saying, in general, policy don't matter this and that.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Okay, great, I get it.

Speaker 5 (33:54):
I know it's a lot of black conscious brothers not
with the LGBT. Great, but them three hundred something executive orders,
only a handful of had to do with LGBT.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Them mother executive orders. That is literally getting rid. My
grandfather retired twice at the post office. He passed away.
Now this is not for me personally.

Speaker 5 (34:15):
My mother's sixty two found solace in working for the
government and the Face Base Initiative.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
That's what took care of her cancer bills when she died.

Speaker 5 (34:25):
My grandmother that worked as a bus driver for the
school my best friend.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Twenty five years.

Speaker 5 (34:32):
They just went to a four day work week because
they don't have the money to those kids. I got
another friend that suffers with anxiety and took a government job.
She got a job basically because they hire people with disabilities.
Now they're forcing them to go back into office. She's
griddled with anxiety just going.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Into the These are the real things.

Speaker 5 (34:50):
I ain't talking about me because I'm a hustler. I
didn't like working no government job, because government jobs they
only want to reward you based on tenure. I didn't
like that, so I did mine one time, moved on.
But everybody's not me. I cannot sit up here that
like this is not going to effect the everyday middle class,
working class. And a lot of the comments that I'm

(35:11):
seeing in the conscious community, I'm gonna be honest with you.
It's giving jealousy. Oh they're gonna have to come down
here like everybody else. They're gonna have to do this
like everybody else. No more free tickets. What free tickets?

Speaker 1 (35:22):
What is this?

Speaker 3 (35:22):
Anti?

Speaker 5 (35:23):
Mad as somebody who got a degree, mad as somebody
who didn't have a background for the federal job.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Because some of this has given jealousy. Some of this
has given jealousy.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Well that's advised you for quite some time. With elements
of the country community. There's definitely an anti intellectual, anti
prosperity gospel.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
It absolutely is.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
If you're looking like I told you. I can't tell
you how many times I've been accused of being in
the bull a one time I have to put up
on Facebook. I did it several times. I said. Look,
I said, if I'm a member of the Bulet, such
a well connected, secret, powerful organization, I must not being
good staffed because when it was time for me to
pay back my student law.

Speaker 5 (36:01):
And then again, what what I'm trying to figure out?
Why do people waste so much energy? We all need
each other.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
The Bulet, the hood.

Speaker 5 (36:11):
This is that the income gap ratio is too wide
to be sitting around there talking about because see I got.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Let me, let me go on, and you know, I
deal with the hood. That's all I'm gonna ever be
with and I ever will. But let's let but let
me let me remind, Let me remind my hood a's
and hood brother something.

Speaker 5 (36:30):
See, while many of you and not all of you,
but I must put this out here, while many are
celebrating the Boulet, if you, if you will be educated,
losing their jobs and all that, let me go ahead
and remind y'all that America is a hierarchy bottom line.
So if this, if this is a race to the bottom,
guess who's gonna have your job? That federal worker with

(36:53):
that degree that y'all keep talking about, that don't have
the background that y'all keep talking about, meaning criminal background,
that don't have that got the education experience. I want
to make sure why y'all are laughing at them, they're
coming to get your job.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
See, that's the whole thing. And then you're gonna go
even lower. See.

Speaker 5 (37:09):
So no matter what education, skill experience, in this society
that we live in right now, effective right now today,
those people are still gonna be in front of the
line than you.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
That's the reality.

Speaker 5 (37:31):
So if the boulet, if the educated, if the they
need to come down and do for self, and they
need to come get the warehouse jobs.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Bet they're gonna get the warehouse jobs.

Speaker 5 (37:40):
And then where are you gonna go? Brother and sisters?
Look like you going to the fields? Because the immigrants,
who so y'all say, get out, guess who goes?

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Somebody gotta go to them fields.

Speaker 5 (37:49):
So at the end of the day, there's always gonna
be somebody above somebody, So what I would like us
to do? And when I say us, I'm not talking
about no forty six million black people. The reason I'm
doing micro organizing, I'm dumb, brother, with forty six million,
this is about one hundred people in the room. So
the one hundred people I'm putting in the room, raise
your hand. Do you know how to anybody here know

(38:09):
how to sew? Because you know when we don't know
how to sell no more? Do anybody know how to sel?
Do anybody know how to plant something? Do anybody in
here you know? Do we got a couple of elected
officials in here? Is it a carpenter in here? Is
it an educator in here? In case they cut you
down the four days a week? Do we got some
teachers in here that can teach the baby on the
fifth day. I'm trying to do micro organizing with one

(38:32):
hundred people in the room, all of this forty six
because I have to make an impact right now. And
what people don't understand is we have to brace for
impact right now, right now. We can't this ain't no
read this book, that book. This is right now, brother,
in the next thirty days.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
I understand listen. You know, you know doctor Collin du
muhammad A what we said, try to intellect you. Why
is your way out of business? And I'm definitely against that.
We cannot intellect your wives are way out of this.

Speaker 5 (38:58):
Yeah, So I just I need the Hood working with
the Bulet, the Bulet working with the hood, like we
absolutely need each other. And anybody that can hear this
within the sound of my voice, you better figure out
how to micro organize right now in your community because
everybody don't have a tribe.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Everybody don't have a friend. Everybody both my parents in
the ground.

Speaker 5 (39:19):
You know, I've lost twenty five immediate family members. I
did a assessment, me and my best friends. She's like
a sister, which one of us own? Okay, I got two?
I got three d's in my name. Okay, we know
we got that. If the shit get heavy, hey would
Hey it's not the newest house, but but but I
own it. You know, I own what Most of my

(39:40):
friends Mary friends don't even own their home. People talking
about it. Well, I'm gonna go to Goma, go to
Gonah with who and what and where. It's an app
You need half a million dollars to go to Ghana
gonna say, y'all better stay where you'all at.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
You don't even know your house here in America. How
you gonna owe something in gone?

Speaker 5 (39:54):
So the bottom line is we are here, we are
stuck with each other, and we better figure it out out.
Marcella is my co host, is sitting up in the background.
You know what I'm getting ready to say.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
He refused to get a room mate. Okay, Well keep
up there in Marcella, keep on refusing. Keep on, y'all
better get roommates.

Speaker 5 (40:13):
You better make your relationships last. Y'all better wear go back.
I told my daughter she goes to college in August,
have a good time, baby, because soon as you graduate,
you coming back to the house.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Well, you know what they do in New York and
a lot of these major cities across the country, including Atlanta.
I'm noticing you actually have a lot of a lot
of whites are doing this. They're doing the co ops
mm hmm, befo to a department. Somebody's winning the closet.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
That's right. The immigrants do that. The immigrants do that.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
D professional.

Speaker 5 (40:43):
Yeah, when Marcella say, Marcella say he ain't doing You
know when I told you can't seeing me on his own.
But when I told Marcella, he said, he gave me
a look so so crazy.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
I share, I say, he.

Speaker 5 (40:58):
Oh, he's being very bougeois. He said he wished he
would He said he wished he would not me. Maybe
I've rent after the couch. Somebody want to be in
the class.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
We're gonna make it do it here.

Speaker 5 (41:10):
So I that's what I'm trying. That those are my
three principles. Say stack strap, y'all better figure it out.
You better figure out all this being above it. Y'all
better make them relationships work. Sugar mamas, get on deck. Hey, brothers,
y'all want to be Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
This is one of the reasons why you remember. That's
you know, a lot of black folk and misinterpreing in
Bukutine Washington. Bokute Washington told us, you know, you know,
when people accused him of being anti intellectual, that stops
built the college. He was telling us to step with
the hearth. And that's why at one time, many, if
not most of your hpc us that that had the
name of like A and m A and t aguaculture.

(41:47):
They were following after the Tuskegee university model, and that's
what Booking was saying. You know, he was explaining that
to a step with the hearth. Make sure you learn
the trade, make sure you can you know, you know,
stay in the earth.

Speaker 5 (41:58):
Right well P for p BJ P B E. Jack
in the comments said black people can't live together. Well,
you better start figuring it out. Y'all better start figuring
it out. You better figure it out, like we're gonna
figure it out because they've rent about to hit heavy
them terrorists that are about to be said. This ain't
we ain't got to make this up. This is policy.
This is actually happening in the next two or three weeks.
The money that the tax they put on China, guess

(42:21):
what China doing, They're putting.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
It right back on us.

Speaker 5 (42:23):
So I'm gonna ask you, if you go to China,
how much stuff you gonna see satan made in America.
But I know for sure you're gonna see some America
over here. Ninety nine percent of our shoes come from China.
So the tax is coming, baby, So black people, y'all
better learn all this. Marcellus above it and he hang
get somebody else to do it.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Y'all better figure it out. You better figure it out.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Let me tell you something down here, what you're saying.
But for some reason, based on Barcelver's last I like
myselfs I'm gonna get sorry for myself as I like
you brother.

Speaker 5 (42:54):
Back Brown, Yeah, I got I like Marcella took you better.
I'll be telling my time, marcels Ain't nobody got time
for that.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
You better figure it out. Get on this. I'm giving
people the real deal, you.

Speaker 5 (43:03):
Know, the real deal on what it means. What do
it mean to survive? This is about survival. Where where
a survival mode?

Speaker 3 (43:14):
No listen, I'll argue that for quite some time, Black
America has been on survival more the century weeks.

Speaker 5 (43:20):
Yeah, well, we really about to be on it. Well,
we about to be on it like you ain't never
seen on it. Though, this is gonna be different.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
With the see right down with Trump, well with to
see white supremacy on steroids.

Speaker 5 (43:31):
Yep, that's exactly we're looking at the policy. That's why
this is not about a scare tactic. We're looking at
the policy like the Maryland UH is the only place
where black people not only thrive, not only survive, but
thrive outside of Atlanta that's the capital. That's right, that's
the capital of black middle class.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
Yeah, because I'm living in DC part time. That's how
I first became away from George's County, but to this
state that's stay.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
That's right. So when people are sitting up here talking, well,
that's right.

Speaker 5 (44:01):
Okay, then where that cousin used to borrow that two
hundred dollars from that two hundred and fifty dollars that
circulated around.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
From the black middle class. Ain't it Ain't gonna be
too many.

Speaker 5 (44:09):
People laughing when we start seeing how it's gonna trickle
down to our community. Because it's about to trickle down
our community. So I'm just trying to tell people, hey, guys,
we gotta figure it out.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
We gotta get in the room and figure that out.
And they're gonna be no. Forty six million.

Speaker 5 (44:21):
I'm looking for three hundred. If it's good enough for
Gideon's army, it's good enough for me. Y'all better get
on board and get on train and get busy. And
that's that's that's all I can do, brother, because I
feel overwhelmed, you know, And it's not even affecting me directly,
just the indirect just the thought of it all. That
article I'll put up yesterday, guys, it was sixty two
year old black woman that said they gave her ninety.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Minutes to get out already.

Speaker 5 (44:47):
That is devastating. That is devastating. People get depression, suicidal.
That is devastating. So when people say, oh, that is
all right, white people gonna deal with it too. White
poor man is in a better position a black poor
man done. Don't you ever forget it.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
Anytime America, anytime America gets sick, black people catch them
on you. That's it.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
So we better start figuring it out. We gotta start
figuring it out. Guys. I appreciate you coming on. I
would love to have you back.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Let me tell you something, Dad, Like you know, I'm
not at all. Uh, there's a word that I'm trying
to figure out. I can't tell you how long that
I've been trying to dive logue you on air. Oh wow,
for quite some time. Like I said, because you know,
you're a bad system when it comes to these conversations.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
I appreciate it, and you have it.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Like I said, that's why I've been promoted for your
March thirty with it.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
I've been promoted for that, but we deep more dialogues
like this. But I can't see you how long I
wanted us to be on air like this.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Oh well, you always welcome to come.

Speaker 5 (45:44):
I'm gonna start doing better with putting the link, you know,
for people to join the zoom. Y'all put a five
in a chat of y'all, like a live conversation like this,
people can join in.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
I don't mind.

Speaker 5 (45:55):
Like I said, I'm not like these gatekeepers that's running
around here now now they all going crazy because they
donet got gate kept. I open up my podcast to folks.
I don't have no problem if y'all want to jump in,
and we need to do it on the Zoom so
that we can get you know, good clear audio. But uh,
anybody that want to jump in, I'm gonna start getting

(46:16):
real disciplined about doing this on Sundays to record for
the week. But oh yeah, well absolutely with anytime, baby,
I record everywhere.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
You can always come on we all.

Speaker 5 (46:25):
I'm always open to the conversation, and I just think
these go so much better than just talking about, you know,
just random topics.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
So they always go, well, let.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Me let me tell you something. I'm gonna go on Instagram,
the borrow and Facebook, and I'm a boost that I
was on Sister Tesslam's.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Well you're gonna well, you're gonna have one better.

Speaker 5 (46:39):
This is going directly to the podcast, so it'll be
on iHeartRadio. You'll have the link and you can share
it and it lives forever in the archives and you're
always welcome.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
I gotta ask you a question, queen before we go. Uh,
Like I said, I keep up with you, but I
must know, are you still with the Hill? Was that out?

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Well? I was never.

Speaker 5 (46:57):
I appeared from time to time, but I was never
high with them or anything like that. The only the
only media, and that's I'm glad you asked.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Just so people know.

Speaker 5 (47:05):
The only media that I've ever been contracted with is
Black News Channel and Revote News anytime you see me
anywhere else, I disappear. I'm not on contract.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
When Black News Channel was first launch, Beginning to launch,
I applied several times to be an anchor or correspondent. Yeah,
you know, difficult for Like I said, I'm you know,
I'm glad, so I'm glad you following for some time
I respected.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Yeah, I appreciate.

Speaker 5 (47:29):
We trying to stay, trying to stay you know, stay afloat,
and you know, I get it. I know everybody don't
like everybody, but at the end of the day, there's
only two black news FCC. I know people say, well,
don't nobody watch cable no more. Well, okay, that's fine.
We got an app, we got YouTube. But the reality
is we're FCC actually on the dial. We had to
fight for that, that network. You know, everybody can't be

(47:50):
on YouTube. We gotta we gotta be in other places. Well,
we're actually are a real network with a beautiful studio.
We're real network, so we need support, guys.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
You know show when I when I was working for
Michik reporting the news for her, munch of the news
that I was getting was from the Bolt. I was
you know, I was actually writing because you know, I'm
a newswriter, so I write spots for angers. When I
was writing the spits of my broadcast, I was actually
getting a lot of the articles from Revolt.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Well, I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (48:18):
We are obviously been through a lot, you know, with
Corona and all the other dramas, so we are a
straw man's staff and I believe in it. I'm I
always want to be where we are, you know. And
this is no disrespect to you know, the Joy Reads
and all of that. They they're they're having a meeting
right now and another organization about saving Joy, you know.

(48:39):
And and that's fine, and that's fine. I don't feel
a way about it. But I do want people to know, Uh,
let's support some of this black Let's support some of
us that's really been over here with this black on
this black side that never went to the white side.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
We got to support that too, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (48:54):
So because that's critically important because ain't nobody gonna run
though Fiday Marathon tom As say Joy. And again, no
disrespect to Joy. I'm just telling you what it is.
She made a five million dollar salary for five years.
That doesn't happen in black media at all. Were lucky
if we get five dollars. So I do want people
to know the reality, the reality of what you don't
gain from a profit standpoint on DUP for self, the

(49:17):
reality of what black business, black organizing really does pay,
which is zero. Half the time people got to know
the reality why Malcolm and why Martin died is poor men.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
We must, you.

Speaker 5 (49:29):
Know, talk about the reality because as people get into
this and too this space, they get discouraged and they
get out because once that reality hits them and they realize, oh,
it ain't as easy as our thought.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
Then this is.

Speaker 5 (49:41):
Why we don't have enough people that do what we do,
because people weren't giving the realistic expectations. But brother, I
want to thank you for being on always welcome and
joining guys.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
I will start doing it. Marcelisen and don't want me
to do this.

Speaker 5 (49:53):
I needed to get a flow, get a flow of things. Yeah,
but I will absolutely put the zoom link y'alld and
we can have a big three way back in the day,
put a five in the chat. If you know about
a three way, we can have a big three way call.
Y'all can come in on the zoom and we can
get to it. I share my platform. I'm always needing content.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
You know.

Speaker 5 (50:11):
I don't have no problem with putting people you know
on on my podcast to have this conversation because I
just relieve that's what's gonna make the difference, you know,
of really having this conversation and giving people you know,
the facts and people hearing the where we agree and
where we align and where we need to improve. So
I appreciate you, brother, I really do. I really do

(50:33):
appreciate it and people loving it. I'm looking at five
in the chat guys, so make sure you do us
a favor. Win this post which will be tuesday. Can
you share it? I need you to share it to
five people. Seventy percent of podcasts listening. See, that's why
I'll be saying, oh, just start a podcast. Here's the reality.
Seventy percent of podcast listeners are white. The white folks
have a digital discipline. They listen to.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
AM talk radio all the way work.

Speaker 5 (50:57):
They go into work and listen to the podcast in
their ear, and then they come home and they listen
to Fox News. And then all between the time they
posting and texting and all online constantly and digital discipline.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Us we over here, protecting our peace. Us. We're over here.
I'm getting tired of looking at it.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Us.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
We're over here.

Speaker 5 (51:15):
Well, I'm gonna dissing that we have must have the
digital di because news is not profitable.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
That is it. That is all.

Speaker 5 (51:21):
I don't care if you on mainstream MSNBC. Joy had
forty thousand something viewers. Everybody tapped out after the election
because remember everybody said they's protecting their peace. So protecting
the peace mean like the end of contracts BNC lost
the whole channel because nobody was watching. Then everybody said,
well it wasn't majority black on anyway. Okay, well what
about Revolt that's black on too. So at the end

(51:43):
the day Grillo black On, they knocked off two news shows.
Now it's showing the Cosmy Show in different strokes twenty
four hours around the clock. You know why, because we
do not engage and support black media. So you need
to be supporting the people you like and sometime the
people you don't like. Just keep the conversation out here
and keeping us in all spaces.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Everybody ain't gonna watch YouTube.

Speaker 5 (52:05):
I invite people on my Revolt network, people that a
lot of people don't agree with. I am the only
one I would say, because hello, ain't but two black newschannels.
Joy will never have Black Republicans on the way I do.
I bring in some of the most diverse people in
the game. They don't try to jump.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
On me, stand up over me.

Speaker 5 (52:22):
Marcella's there, yell, scream all of it. I tell him,
sit your ass down. We're gonna finish this conversation, so
supporting me and also means opening up space for those
that you may not like, but somebody gotta do it.
So I'm asking you, guys, please support what it is
we're trying to do because if not, we're not gonna
have it. It's just that simple and just that plane.

(52:45):
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