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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Podcast starts. Now, what is up, everybody? It is just
me and George today on Straight t O Lab.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Let's just say we literally just wrapped a two hour
marathon session with their one and only Joe Firestone. It
is quite literally we are running I would say, forty
five minutes behind in this beautiful studio and this beautiful
pair of studios, because we are of course still by
coastal and we are I was I was about to

(00:47):
say running on fumes. I don't think we're running on fumes.
I just think I'm doing that thing where I talk
and I'm my mouth, I'm surprising even myself with what's
coming out of my mouth.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Well, that was a real episode where I was like,
I'm gonna need a nap after that, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
And guess what instead of an app we have the opposite,
which is a guestless episode, or we don't even have
We don't even get a break when the other person
is talking.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
So one of us will be speaking at all times,
or else the episode will have to end. Wait, you
still have a cold and you're and you're doing this
but barely, yeah, just barely. But I have to say you.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Were absolutely killing it in the Joe episode could not
tell you were immunal compromises anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Well, I have to agree you were crushing it out there,
and it was such a delight. What a treat.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
A treat we uh, we wanted to pretty much check
in on what our callers have been calling about.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Well, this thing happens where we're like call us, call us,
call us, and then we like completely are like forget
it exists, and maybe even don't even respond. And then
you today were like, wait, you're looking at calls and
we're like, wait, we have so many calls. We each have.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Things that we like keeping tabs on, and one of
mine is the voicemail. I would say, I have you know,
if we were in a little in a startup, in
a business environment, I would be like, oh, I own
the voicemail. That's something that's one of the things I own.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, Whereas I like, really keep tabs on the discord.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yes, that's right. You keep tabs on the discord more
more than I do. I keep tabs on the voicemail.
I mean, there's something really fun about the voicemail.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
I don't know this. I like the discord, of course,
but well, the voicemail is so classic.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
It's not only classic, but it's like, especially because we
now there's so much pressure to do video and to franchise,
and you know, we're of course working on various lines
of tank tops and seltzers and socks. It's nice to
remember where we came from, which is audio only.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Audio only. You know. I want to say something please.
I had an alcoholic seltzer recently and somebody was like, oh,
you know, this guy in town invented these alcoholic seltzers
and he's rich now. And I was kind of like, okay, well,
he didn't invent alcoholic seltzer. He just made one and
it's selling because he lives here, and like it's like
a local brand. Like I was kind of like, okay,

(03:02):
you can't claim like I invented this alcoholic seltzer. It's
like not different than any other alcoholic seltzer in the world.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
I founded this brand.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
It drives me insane, and I think this is something
that is part of our We are, of course the
worst businessman on planet Earth. Well, and I think it's
because we're like, well, if we're doing it has to
be original, we have to be the first people to
ever do it. We actually need to invent, and I'm like, like,
we could literally slap our name on us Seltzer and
be like, DIBs, we invented Seltzer. It's like, but we can't.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
You would think we are bad at business because we're
anti capitalist.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
It's the opposite.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
It's that we believe too much in the mythology of
capitalism and think we actually need innovation in order to
sell a product, like we literally are like a slave
to the system, to the like American mythology of being
an innovative small business owner, when in fact, what we
need to do is just completely be frauds completely. We

(03:59):
need to literally crypto dot com, we need to we
need to like jump on the NFT trend three months late.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Steve Jobs already did what Steve Jobs is gonna do.
You know, We're not gonna be that. It's time to
be like we invented kombucha.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
No, we need to invent kombucha and fast. I've been
finding this also with trends, like here's something and let
me know if you agree with this. There's this current
thing of macha being a punchline.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah yeah, yeah, like, oh she she.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Has a match on a macho latte. Correct me if
I'm wrong. Was that not a punchline like ten years ago?

Speaker 1 (04:38):
No, you're completely correct. We're being gasless, am I, am I,
I'm sorry?

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Am I waking up in the film Girl Interrupted and
WHOOPI Goldberg is telling me this is your last chance.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yes, you literally are.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Because I don't understand Macha that we did an entire
cycle on Macha during, by the way, the era of kombucha,
it was very like twenty tens, like the beginning of
that's sort of like goop culture m HM, which has
been around foever like for at this point twenty years.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
No, I think people are really recycling jokes in a
way that is shocking, Like you're like, we've already moved
on from that, and yet many people have not.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
This is also how I felt about newsletters, where there
was a first round. And by the way, this also
happened with podcasts, which maybe benefited us, so I'll hold
my tongue there. But with newsletters, there was a first
round of everyone's pivoting to newsletters and then it like
kept happening, and then suddenly three years ago it was
like the hot new thing is substack, Like, no, it's.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Not well, I mean, you're completely correct, and to speak
on the podcast element. I remember when we started this podcast,
we were like, wow, we are probably the last new
podcast that we'll ever start, because.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Again we were brainwashed by the innovation mythology.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, and we were by those standards quite late.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
We were the third one to start. Yeah, we were
globally a third one to start.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
And then it's completely flipped and now like post pandemic,
when everyone was like, Okay, now I have a podcast,
I was like, wait, wait, wait, there's there's another wave.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Do you remember when the stereotype in the beginning was
that it was like a dude bro.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Thing to do.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
It was like, oh, he lives in Williamsburg and has
a beard in a podcast.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Let me guess he has a podcast.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
And and he likes craft craft cocktails. Now I guess
that the stereotype is now that it's that it's like
a former cast members of the Hills hosting the podcast
Hot Yeah, like that, Like it's a celeb pod. Now
it's like a be Now the stereotype is beliss celebrity.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Sure for sure, it's replaced the Talking Dead for example. Mmm.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yes. So anyway, we wanted to check in on our
favorite podcasters, which are people that leave calls and they
are calls for the first podcast. Yes, they are micro podcasts.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Mm hmm mm hmm. So should we hit us with
hit the first one? Yes?

Speaker 2 (06:57):
And I will be if anyone's watching, I will be
on both my phone and my computer. That is the
way it has worked out, and I will not apologize
for it. We live in an age of information, and
the more the better, I.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Say, And in solidarity, I will look at my phone intermittently.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
But you're just sort of be on Instagram.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, just sort of responding to messages and liking stuff.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
All right, I Siv and George, I wanted to know
what you think about the tell a fun fact about
yourself sort of icebreaker question. I think that it is
the worst possible icebreaker question and it makes me nervous
every time it comes up, because I feel like I

(07:35):
need to have a bank of go to fun facts
about myself, but I never commit the time to actually
do that. And so I was wondering for you if
you guys have a go to fun fact that you
kind of always share, if this is something that you
have to do anymore.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
And then.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
The second part to my question is what do you
think the sort of go to ice breaker question should
be in lieu of tell a fun fact about yourself?
And then if you'd like to share some thoughts on
why you think, as a culture we are so insistent
upon asking a fun fact about yourself. I'd be curious

(08:18):
to hear your thoughts on that.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Okay, amazing question and get used to hearing that, because
I'm going to say that about every damn call, but this.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
One is especially good because fun fact culture is exactly
the kind of thing we like talking about.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
I really think this is amazing. I personally I agree.
I think fun fact tell us a fun fact about
yourself is like not doing the work that an icebreaker
is supposed to do, because it's just saying talk Like
it reminds me of when you take a personality quiz
and you're like, oh, they're gonna like figure me out,
and it's just like the questions are sort of like

(08:52):
is your personality angry? Like is your personality funny? And
it's like, well, you're supposed to be the one that's
like asking me cover questions so that I can figure
this out, Like I'm coming to you because I don't
know who I am right exactly telling you the fun fact.
I'm like, well, I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
And of course you know. Interestingly, the revelatory part of
the question isn't the fun fact itself. It's oh, this
is what you think a fact? Fun fact is I
want to know what you go to mm hmm. So
this is tough because, oh, here's the other thing. I'll say,
it's impossible to be funny about it because it's like

(09:31):
putting a hat on a hat. It is asking you
to say something whimsical, to say something you know, unexpected,
And so I don't know. If I like try to
do a bit with it, it's never gonna hit, I
would say. So I would say, I go pretty basic
with it. I think if I'm like in a kind
of summer camp environment, especially in America, then my fun

(09:51):
fact is like a fun fact is like I went
to high school in Greece.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Because that's an amazing fun fact. Oh you're so lucky.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
People don't expect it. It's like a country that is
not politically fraught. You know, no one's gonna ask me
like did I join the military? Like it is everyone has.
Everyone is like, oh my god, I've always wanted to
go there, or like, oh, I used to be obsessed
with ancient grease. It's always something one that I used
to try out in a more adventurous period of my

(10:17):
life and it never went well. Is I used to
be able to I can't do it anymore. I used
to able to hook my fingers behind my back and
then bring them all the way around like I was
sort of double jointed in that way. Yeah, unfortunately I
can't do that anymore. But the issue with that is
people immediately act disgusted and I'm like, I promise I

(10:39):
won't do it. I'm just telling you that's a fun
fact about myself. But then immediately you're like the weird
person that is talking about their body.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Well in your damn if you do if you don't,
because then if you don't do it, it's sort of like,
well show me. You can't just say you can do
that and then not do it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
So those are my two that I can think of
off the top of my head. The thing is, yeah,
obviously an actual fun fact about yourself would be somehow braggy,
and you don't you don't want to like it's like.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Well it's bragg it's either braggy or it's like sad,
like that's what I struggle with. Like I honestly, I
always quickly go to like medical maladies, like I'm like,
what's wrong with me? Like fun fact and I'm like, uh,
I can't see color and it's sort of like, well,
that's not fun. I used to also, I would like
be like like one of my eyes is like two colors,
and so I'd be like one of my eyes is

(11:24):
two colors and then people are like, wait, let me see,
and then like a stranger is looking deeply into my
eyes and I'm like, You've got to stop. This is
I did not consent to this.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Needless to say, there is one best fun fact you
can have. Do you want to know what it is?

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (11:40):
I do acted in something as a kid genius, like
do you know what can you imagine? Just knowing you
can whip out? I was the one of the little
kids in Heavyweights and then I and then I didn't
pursue it, and like I went to college and study biology.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
That is an amazing fun fact.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
And that is what everyone wants that but not everyone canna.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Have it, and honestly, very few people have it. There
are No, I can't think of a second fun fact.
Like it's like I was in a jet ski accident,
Like that's what I'm that's what I go to.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Also, Okay, we have to address the elephant in the room,
which is the adjective fun, because I think the issue
here is the complete vacuity of the word fun. What
does it mean for a fact to be fun?

Speaker 1 (12:26):
How can a fact be fun? A fact is either
true or false. Well, and that's why people go to
like the Ripley's Believe it or not, because they're like, uh,
my toes are fucked up, like like that's like the
most fun I can think of, because all other facts
are just facts correct.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
And I think the issue arises from the lack of
consensus around what fun entails. Fun can be unexpected. Fun
can be, as you're saying, like tragic. Like it's like, okay,
so getting into an accident is a fun fact. It
kind of counts, So it can be tragic. It can
be something that happened to you or that you did
yourself well.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
And the saddest, of course, is when you're like, my
fun fact is blank and somebody's like, oh I do
that too, Yeah, and it's like, okay, sorry, I'm not unique,
like we're literally getting to know you. I wouldn't have
said if I knew you also had that it's disgusting.
It's disgusting, so pretty much it's bad.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
It's a I would have to agree that it is
is a perfect sort of like straight topic. I'm trying
to think if there are any alternatives as icebreakers that
I would endorse. I think the concept of icebreakers already
worries me.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
See, I think the icebreaker it needs to lead to
like a story or a conversation, and it needs to
sort of be like not something revealing until you reveal
why it's revealing. Like I think a good icebreaker is
like what was the last TV show you watched? Or
like what was the last thing you googled? Or like
what's the last song you listened to? Because then it

(13:55):
because when people are like what's your favorite, it's like, well,
I used to love this, but now I don't know
if that's my people, that's your favorite?

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Like it's really yes, you're absolutely right, And I think
what you're pointing to is like it A, it's better
if it's specific. B. Don't try to have it encapsulate
your entire personality and the significance of your entire life.
It can just be a little thing.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
And like, for example, if it's like, what's the last
show you watched? Like, what is your answer?

Speaker 2 (14:26):
The Hunting Wives?

Speaker 1 (14:27):
And why?

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Because I was in a bad mood one day and
I was very overworked, and I said, I normally would
not press play on something as trashy as this, but
I'm curious and I sort of love Malin Ackerman because
of the comeback, and I'm you know, I kind of
want to see if she absolutely eats this down and
next thing, you know, I made episodes in and she
is eating it.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
So that's a perfect one. I've learned so much about you. Yeah,
you are a workaholic, you are LGBTQ, plus you have
fine tastes, but you're not afraid of little fun exactly.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
And you might have noticed I mentioned the comeback so
that you know that I do actually have good taste,
despite the fact that I'm currently watching The Hunting Wives.
What is the last TV show you watched?

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Modern Family? Why? Because ever since I got gay married,
I am obsessed with Modern Family and I don't know why.
There's something about wholesome family values, but also in a
southern California liberal way that I'm like eating up like candy, candy,
candy right now. Literally, I know what.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
I know that you just got married, congratulations. I know
that you live in California. I know that you have
mixed feelings about domesticity and about assimilation into straight life.
And I know that you have a sense of whimsy.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
I mean this is perfect. Yeah. People, it has to
be something factual and something you almost can't control, like
the last thing. Whatever.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah, great, next question.

Speaker 5 (15:46):
Who clamor girl? This is a message for Sam after
the sock Mary Kill discussion in the most recent Collins
show for The New York Times. I'm Michael Babarrow. This
is my penis.

Speaker 6 (16:05):
I love you guys.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Your response, Yeah, that was kind of hot. I could
see that going further. I never expected that in a
million years.

Speaker 7 (16:19):
Hi, Sam and George. I'd like to know if you
have a joke or just maybe like a thought that
you think is funny and nobody else thinks it's funny.
I'm thinking not really like a not like a stand
up bit, but more just in your daily life, like

(16:39):
a little thought that tickles you and you voice it
to other people and it just doesn't land. They don't
think it's funny. Thanks so much, love the show, but
I'm still here and I was just thinking you could
cut this part out, but I wanted to give an
example just for clarity. So mine is that I like

(17:03):
to think that every time Terry Gross does an interview
that she gets a tiny bit smaller. And so whenever
I hear somebody mentioned Terry Gross, I always to myself
kind of murmur like, oh, she's so small now, and
it's not funny, Like there's no I'm laughing, Oh me too,
joke really, but I just it really tickles me that

(17:26):
she gets a little bit smaller every time she conducts
an interview. I hope that helps.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Fight This is complicated. To ask us this and then
to say, like not stand up is really hard, And
I understand where your head's at. You're like, I want
to know your day to day life, but like we
are constantly trying to find things funny, and as soon
as we do, we're like, okay, we have to Like
if I think something is funny, four times, I'm like, okay,
well I have to see if that exists on stage
in some capacity. So I'm really trying to think of this.

(17:54):
But George, if you have one, takes there a.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Couple that I can think of. I have a pleasure,
in fact, of going to a lot of restaurants because
of Matthew's job, because he has to go to restaurants
for work, and so I notice a lot of like
tropes in restaurants that I, you know, used to not
notice when I went more rarely. And oftentimes the server

(18:18):
will really take too long to describe every single thing
on the menu and like go way into too much
detail about like, oh, first, we took the chicken and
caressed its right wing because we noticed that it suffered
from anxiety. We decided that we were going to like
cook it in a tomato sauce like that. We had
the chicken smell the tomato, which was grown in a

(18:38):
neighboring farm, and decide which one he wanted to be
buried with, you know.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
And it is so.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Difficult for me to keep a straight face as this
is all happening, because the entire time I'm just thinking, like,
come on, we all know this is ridiculous. Yeah, we've
all seen the menu, and I and I often will
actually like start laughing and making it make it into
a cough like I'll just I'll just like making it.

(19:05):
So that's one for me.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
That's a good one.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
I have one that is similar to the Terry Gross example, actually,
which is I think I've said this before on the podcast,
but one time I went to a Harry Styles concert
for About You Red Party, and his drummer was this
woman who had bangs, and my two friends and I
kind of collaboratively came up with this joke that the

(19:28):
women's bangs were so big that she needed bang removal surgery,
and the entire concert was a benefit to raise funds
for her to get her bangs removed, which were like
which were growing so large that they were actually like
a threat to the rest of her body. And so
because of that, I've never been able to explain that

(19:49):
in a way that actually makes other people laugh. But
because of that, whenever someone like no longer has bangs,
I like to imagine them as having survived like a
life threatening surgery that they are in thousands of dollars
debts for because their bangs got too big and needed
to be removed.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Of course, that's a great one. I guess I'm trying to.
I'm really trying to think of one. And one thing
I think is always kind of funny is when you're
walking into a body of water, say an ocean or
a lake, and it hits the part where your genitals
are and everyone goes ooh. And I'm always like, it's

(20:23):
so crazy to be like with your family and being
like and that's where our genitals are. I've always gotten
a kick out of that, and I don't know what
to do with it, but it does make me laugh.
And every time I walk into a body of water,
I think about, we're gonna hit the part where the
genitals are.

Speaker 5 (20:38):
Wait.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Another recent one for me is in the Lord's song Favorite.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Daughter, Oh my God, this is perfect.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
When she says I'm a good actress. So millennials, remember
Kiarosty Alley used to have a semi autobiographical, short lived
sitcom called Fat Actress, And Matthew started saying I'm a
fat actress, and so I started saying, and then I
started also replacing it with other things at rhyme, so
we would be like, I work at red Actress.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
I as soon as you told me this, I've been
saying I'm a fat actress all week long because you
told me that, and it's.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Such a dramatic song that it would be funny. Flord
was like, I'm a fat actress.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
It's like not far like I'm like, oh, I could
see her saying that, and then I my version of this,
which I cannot stop doing, is Carolyn Polcheck Welcome to
My Island. When she's like, DESI, hey, I keep going
la Boo Boo doesn't even rhyme. I want to turn

(21:37):
into you. I cannot stop making the Boo boo parody songs,
and just the word la Boo boo does hit so hard.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
So speaking of La Boo Boo, this episode originally was
going to be us doing a kind of straight culture
check in, because Sam and I both have this thing
where when something like La Boo Boo or like Hoctua
is on the rise, we have a truly allergic reaction.
We just we can't believe how low we've fallen as
a culture.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
We are so.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Upset that we're even at the idea of even having
a negative opinion about something. We just want to close
our eyes and say, can we please just ride this out?
Can I just skip the chapter of my life where
I know what laboobo and Haktua are and like Coldplay couple,
Like I can't deal with these things. But then I've
noticed something that's happening that happens with us, is that

(22:30):
then the time passes, and then when other people, when
the people participating or tired of it, suddenly we're like,
la boo boo.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
It becomes fun again. There's like when there's a sense
of irony attached to it.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Yeah, and now suddenly I am like and because we
avoid learning about it, I like still don't know what
labooboo is, but now I'm suddenly like, wait, I kind
of want to know.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Well, I desperately want a la boo boo. I cannot know.
They are so funny. The word is so crazy. So
I love la boo boo. The other day I did
a parody song with La Boo Boo that was I'm
getting a La boo boo. I'm having a La boo boo.
You know, I love a boo boo And I'm the

(23:12):
like Madonna rap from American Life, and it's like this
is so not on, this doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
But I was like, this is the funny thing. I'm
having a la boo boo. I'm buying a la boo
boo I have in my lab boo boo. And you
know I'm satisfied. I keeping my lab bo boo, and
I love my little boo boo. And and I still
have my lab boo boo. Do you think I'm satisfied?
I'd like to extress my lab boo boo point of view.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
I'm not a boo, I'm not my boo boo.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
I'm just living out the American boo. And I just
realized La Boo Boo is ba boo Booooooo.

Speaker 8 (23:51):
Sam and George calling you from sunny Oakland, California. My
question is, which is often a debate with my friend,
who is another loyal listener, is Trader Joe's great or gay?
We are on opposite side of the spectrum and we

(24:12):
can never agree. So would love to hear what you think. Okay,
I love Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
I think Trader Joe's is liberal. Mm hmmm. I think
Trader Joe's is lib role.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
You think Trader Joe's that sign that's like in this
house we believe immigrants are Americans, Black lives matter.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yeah, that's what I think. I think as far as gay,
you're straight. I guess that leads me more straight. Like
there's something so sincere about a Trader Joe's, Like even
the silly snacks. It's like, this is a silly snack
you like? But I could be I could I could
be proven wrong.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
If you want to know, I completely agree. I mean,
it's basically a grocery store for Disney adults. Wow, it's
just like it's to have the fandom around it is
uniquely immature, and I think part of that is that
famously it has terrible produce, so it's literally not for
people that are cooking it is. It's it feels like

(25:13):
baby's first trip to the grocery store. Yeah, and I
don't like the vibes.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah. I have no relationship with Trader Joe's. I've entered
a Trader Joe's maybe three times in my entire life.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
I mean, so here's my relationship to Trader Joe's. When
I first graduated from college, I lived in a big
house with six other people in San Francisco, and we
would go and we, like none of us made a
lot of money. We would go as a group and
get a giant order and put it on our split wise,
and we would have this giant order at home, and
each of us is paying like twenty five dollars because

(25:48):
it's so affordable. And we were making the frozen the
frozen mushroom risotto, and we were buying the boxed wine,
boxed Trader Joe's brand wine, and we were buying like,
you know, snicker doodles that were Trader Joe's branded, and
it just it's like, well, one day we'll graduate to

(26:09):
real food, but this is this is like between college
and real life.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Yeah, you describing it makes it be like, oh, it's
actually shocking that I don't have a relationship with Trader
Joe's because that is, unfortunately the way that I dream
of food being.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Why do you think you as someone who doesn't really cook, Yeah,
it would make sense if you did have a relationship
with Trader Joe's, because I think it is an approachable
grocery store for someone who maybe doesn't feel one hundred
percent comfortable in a normal one.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
Well, this is the amazing thing about me is I
neither cook nor do I crave convenient foods. I'm just
sort of like like I crave like the adult, like
I wish I cooked and so it's sort of like
I'm like in this middle place where I'm just like, well,
I just won't eat, Like I'm sort of like, okay,
well I'm just having like an apple today.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah, but you are also you actually also have particular
tastes in food. Yeah, you're not like happy eating at
an airport.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
No, no, I'm not. But I used to say, you're.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Not like Julio, who like eats Tempe like over the sink.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Yeah I did. Used to claim I wanted a dining
hall for my whole life.

Speaker 5 (27:13):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Interesting, Well you would honestly love Trader Joe's.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Then I know it's too bad.

Speaker 6 (27:17):
Hi, Sam and George. I am curious about the state
of bush culture right now, our bushes in or out.
I feel like I've seen an uptick recently in people
who are shaving bush, and I'm a little concerned. I'm
curious if you guys are are noticing the same thing.
Is this our recession indicator? Are we now in fully

(27:38):
a post bush versus non bush dichotomy. I'm also curious
about what you're seeing in LA and New York.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
I mean, I think this depends more on your demographic.
I feel that there was a community that like of
gay guys here. I feel like that we're like calling
it like bush summer or something like I've seen. I've
heard the words bush.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Summer to me off the top of my head. If
you were to gun to my head, is bushinarada? I
would say?

Speaker 9 (28:04):
In?

Speaker 1 (28:05):
I would say in, I can't. I haven't come across
a shaven bush in a long time.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
I someone we know recently showed me a photo of
a photograph they received on grinder m hmm. And it
was a completely shaven bush that had a Where's Waldow tattoo? Whoa,
So it was Waldo? It was Waldo and no hair.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
That is so wild.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
But here's what that means to me. The people shaving
their bush are the people with Where's Waldow tattoos?

Speaker 1 (28:44):
That is interesting, it's niche.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
It's it's no longer like that. You are out of
the you are out of the norm.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
I mean, if you're paying all that money for Where's Waldo? Tattoo,
you're gonna shave the bush to show it off, right exactly?

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Although to me, I'm like, have him sorry hiding behind
the bush. That's sort of his whole thing is that
he's hiding and you have to find him, like it
is completely besides the point if you're gonna have a
warres Waldo tattoo are there to then like expose it
completely because they know the message. It's like, yeah, I
found Waldough, that was easy, that was easy.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
You need to make it hard, Like how funny to
like be digging through someone's pubes and be like is
that Waldo? And then they're like you found him exactly?

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Hello, don't you ruined the child? Childlike?

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Joy?

Speaker 2 (29:28):
I would get doing that anyway.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
So experience discovery?

Speaker 2 (29:31):
No literally so but no, I think to me, I
think when it comes to men, because I can't speak
for women, we are in like a very actually nice, balanced,
liberated place with body hair. I feel like we've gone
in both ends of the spectrum and now I genuinely
feel like anyone can do whatever they want.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah, I feel that way as well. I wonder if
that's actually happening or it's just that we were getting
older and everyone gets more constable as they age. I
can't tell that's true.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Well, okay, here's a way to answer that. What is
happening in media depictions? Because in fact, now that I'm
thinking about it, it is true that we're going in
a more hairless direction. If you think about like Jacob
Lordie even all of that, like Andrew Scott and Paul
Meskal and Timothy's shadow, Like who is even Pedro Pascal

(30:21):
is actually being waxed head to toe.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
I know I am trying to think, but I have
to assume Pedro has pubes pub Yes, he's like man
other people.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
You know, body hair is the pubes of the rest
of the body. And it because we can't actually show
pubes on TV. It's a showing body hair is a
is a bat signal to say bush is Okay.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
That's a good point. That's a good point.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
And who is the hairriest famous man right now?

Speaker 1 (30:50):
You're right. I can't think of a one. I can't
think of one hairy famous man.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
The one I can think of is the one guy
from Gilded Age.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (31:01):
You know that guy? No, I don't know that.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
I look up Morgan Spector.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Oh was he the one that said, like street people
can be Thompson Bottom. Yes, correct, Yeah, okay, sure, So
here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Obviously he is, but he it's sorry, but it is
such a respectable, groomed kind of Harry.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Yeah, No, I don't know. Now, I'm now, I'm now,
I'm worried. I'm worried. Well, everybody grow out your pubes.
It's an active resistance.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah, and time is honestly running out yep.

Speaker 10 (31:33):
Okay, Hi, George and Sam.

Speaker 11 (31:35):
Because I'm a fifty year old woman, I.

Speaker 10 (31:37):
Don't actually know who heim is or who I'm are
not sure of the correct subject groob agreement, but I
would like you to play the hide game with these
three drugs, cocaine, molly, and mushrooms, and in general, I'd
love to hear more about your relationship and.

Speaker 5 (31:56):
Experiences with drugs.

Speaker 10 (31:58):
Thank you so much for making life more interesting.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Okay, time game with molly, mushrooms and cocaine.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Okay. I think I kind of think Sti is Mollie Okay,
because there's something about her where she's just like I
love everybody. I kind of think Danielle might be cocaine
because she's business oriented totally, and I think that means

(32:31):
Alana is mushrooms.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Alana's mushrooms because she's she does have a sort of
distant look in her eyes sometimes and like she could
be on mushrooms actually.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
And she seems like she has a chill about her
while still being like kind of productive.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yes, I agree, and I think she has a sort
of sense of being one with her surroundings. Yes, she
doesn't have a laser focus that I'm seeing in Danielle
and STI, But much like many people who have had
life altering experiences with mushrooms, she also is kind of
doing amazing in life.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yeah, I agree, she sees through great. We nailed that,
all right, And our experience with drugs is we don't
touch the stuff.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Oh, this is a really good one.

Speaker 8 (33:20):
Hi, Sam and George.

Speaker 12 (33:22):
I dialed one eight hundred gay guys, which was like
a foreign call in thing. So can you guys like
reimburse me for any charges that might have gone into
when I was there. Additionally, my original question was, do
you think being gay is the same thing as recency bias?
Like every gay guy gets so excited by every new

(33:43):
thing and then we never talk about it again. Adel's thirty,
the new Lord single that we're inevitably not going to
talk about in like two weeks. I just really think
that recency bias is the same thing as being gay.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Thanks, So I just want to say that was May thirty.
That's why the Lord single was relevant. This person didn't
just wake up from a coma. So first of all,
I actually was really talking about something that only made
me laugh. As I was listening to this call, I
said to myself, drag name recency bias, and oh literally
chuckled out loud on the street.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
That's amazing. What do you think about this theory? I think, well,
I think this could be seen in two ways, where
like the recency bias is real. Like I do think
gay guys really love to be like on What's Now
and you know, they'll be forty five and standing a
sixteen year old pop girl and that's like I think

(34:40):
that is like kind of interesting and fun. But there's
like the other side of that is that like straight
people freeze often in like what was happening when they
were twenty five, yes and so, and they don't have
shame about that. I think gay guys obviously look back
home what happened when they were twenty five and like
love that and they're like, you weren't there, you weren't there.

(35:01):
But then I think there's a there's still a yearning
to learn what's happening and to like believe the youth
and be like, maybe there's a point to this song.
Maybe there's a point to this singer that I don't
think straight people haven't totally.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
I think it's more straight to be past oriented and
more gay to be future oriented. Yeah, which is why
the only person that has managed to capture both communities
is Dua Lipa with future nostalgia.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
There was something I remember being like, because I am
older than Lord, I am older than Lord. I don't
remember our age gap, but I am older than Lord.
Like I was in my twenties when Royals came out,
and I remember being like, Okay, this girl is sixteen
and I am, let's say twenty four, potentially. I was
living in New York and I was like, am I
going to stand a sixteen year old? And I was

(35:50):
like that can't be me. And then I remember talking
about a fork in the road and being like, you
know what, I'm actually twenty four, and I'm only going
to get older and the girls are going to keep
being sixteen to twenty and so I'm gonna start standing
them no matter what, and I'm not gonna resist. I'm
just gonna run towards it. And I think that was
a huge point of change for me. Yeah. No, it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Recency bias, of course, can be limiting in some ways.
It's like, well, if you don't know history or doomed
to repeat it. But then it can also be a
very positive thing and that you are keeping an open
mind and taking you things seriously and not taking things
from your past more seriously because they are connected to you,
which is how we get quite frankly fascism.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Which I do think gay guys are all right. There's
also something like the recency bias more is an issue.
I think when a person is flopping, Like when a
person is flopping, they're like, I hate her, I've always
hated her. She's to die a really good point. Yeah yeah,
And I'm like, yeah, but you have to understand, like
you're deal, you have a bias because you loved her

(36:57):
when she was fresh, and now that she's like been
around for a while, there's not that element of surprise,
and you're forgetting that there's a whole arc that we're
all going to go on. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
I agree with that, and I actually think it is
somewhat healthier to do the thing that let's say a
straight like let's say someone who loves Tarantino, like that
person's never gonna forget pulp fiction. They're not gonna be like, well,
his latest was bad, so now I don't like him
anymore exactly. And I do think there's something nice about

(37:26):
that kind of loyalty. Y and I actually think it
is necessary for a fan to remember the things they
did like because that helps them give the benefit of
the doubt to the new things that they might not
immediately connect with.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
And it's like, if you take them seriously as an artist,
you should care when they make a mistake as much
as when they make a hit, because it's like interesting
to see what they were thinking and why Yeah, sorry
to be a genius.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
No, No, that's absolutely genius. Do you think racist advice? Also,
I'm trying to think if there's any way to use
this lens to talk about something that isn't a pop
culture and pop music, Like is it is?

Speaker 1 (38:05):
You got me there?

Speaker 2 (38:06):
You know what I mean? I'm like, is there something
about how being open to new experience?

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Now let's move on?

Speaker 12 (38:18):
Hi.

Speaker 4 (38:19):
I was so listening to your episode about Yo Yo's
and in it you ask is what's the youth today?

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Is?

Speaker 4 (38:26):
Like Bear Dave Matthews band. I work with teams at
a residential treatment center, so it's a specific population, but
it's like teens who have tried to kill themselves super cool.
I love them. And here's what they love to listen
to from older and don't say to tell you it's Nickelback.
They all love Nickelback, they love MTMT, they like love

(38:50):
music from twenty like two thousand and five to twenty eleven.
I would say the fray I get asked to play
that how to Save a Life song all the time.
So start kid cutting, pursuit of the song, pursue happiness.
It's going to be like on my spots, I wrapped,
I've heard of God. So they all still have really
positive feelings about Kanye. I want you to know that

(39:11):
as well. Chance the rapper is still huge?

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Is that Gronky still huge?

Speaker 11 (39:15):
So yeah, they didn't know who Destiny's child.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
Was, so like, that's just some context for for where
the kids are at today.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Okay, love you by I'm sorry. That was the most
shocking call I've ever heard in so many ways. At first,
I was like I'm listening, I'm nodding, I'm agreeing, Like
you know, I had like a point to make about
like nickel Back, being like, yeah, like I think there's
a difference there that you're not acknowledging, where like nickel
Back is a little bit ironic, whereas like and like
they like it, but it's there's like a sense of

(39:45):
lol to it. And then like kid Cutty, I was like, oh,
how fun. Like Pursuit of Happiness is always going to
be a hit. Put it on, put it on, put
it on. Kanye. I get they can sort of zoom
out and be like, you know, he's crazy, but look,
listen to these hits from the past, and then like,
but you really really lost me. I have to be
honest at Chance the Rapper, Wait time, Well, I was there.

(40:10):
I loved Chance the Rapper. You know, Acid Rap was
to die for. And then Coloring Book, the one that
Kanye produced, was really great, and then I was and
then he fell off in such a big way. And
I don't know, I'm surprised that the youth like him,
because everything I see online and otherwise is sort of

(40:30):
still treating him a little bit like a joke and
like someone who fell off really hard. Well, he's a.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Very like quintessential millennial artist.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Yes, very sincere, very like like earnest and like, look
I look at what I did. I'm here, corny is
I'm getting the notes? Yes? Yeah, So I don't know,
what do you think about that? I mean.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
It is The irony point is interesting because I genuinely
I understand what you're saying about Nickelback fandom being semi ironic.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
But here's my counterpoint to that.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Like when millennials rediscovered Journey, was that ironic.

Speaker 13 (41:11):
Oohoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, because there was a point when
people when don't stop believing was like earnestly back.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
And then of course there was a backlash and there
were people being like, well, don't whatever you do, don't
play Journey at your wedding. But there was a point
when that was back earnestly. Yeah, you're right, And I
almost think it's like, wel like, maybe older people are
doing the ironic Nickelback thing and younger people who weren't
alive for the absolute reputation end of Nickelback just you know,

(41:46):
are are interpreting the way the first listeners did, which
is that they liked it, because I mean, people.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Forget that was a very part those are very popular songs.
That is a very interesting read. And I think you
could be right. I think you could be right, and
you're changing my perspective and it's obviously scaring me. I mean,
you need to process that.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
I mean, I I have to say, it's interesting the
ones you pointed out the one that stuck out to me.
And maybe there's some online thing.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
I don't know about the fray So this didn't freak
me out because I feel like this style is coming back,
Like I think the sincerity is fun and I do
think people are like craving like it. They obviously they
were a huge band, but they kind of had like
a cold Play esque like in the beginning, like almost

(42:34):
like an indie sensibility that they did really big. And
I think when we were growing up and they were
like coming up, we could sort of like tell the
difference in the context and be like they're more produced,
they're more blank, they're more blank, But without the context,
it's kind of like, no, they're like a sort of
like an indie pop piano band. Like I think you

(42:55):
like Loo you think of them in that like almost
indie thing. Do you know who?

Speaker 2 (42:59):
I think would be a great addition to this list.
Is Jet Are you going to be my girl as
something that randomly young people are into.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
I think you're one hundred percent right. I think we
will be having a Jet renaissance before we know it. Huh.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Well, you know, we touched on this a little bit
in our episode with Josh Gondlman. But if you happen
to be on Twitter of the last couple of weeks,
you saw a rehab, you saw a debate about the
Edward Sharp and the Magnetic Zero song home, which actually
did make me feel kind of nuts.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
It did make me feel nuts, And I actually want
to say that the other night I couldn't sleep because
I was thinking about what I said during that episode,
and I was like do I agree with it or
do I Like, I was like one of those things,
I rarely regret what I say on this podcast or
even like question it. Like I'm also like if I
said it whatever I believed in the moment and move on.
And then for that I was like, am I going
to be like on record forever? Being like actually Edward

(43:51):
Troup the Magnetic Zeros was different than the Luminators and
mum for incense, And I was like, I don't know
if I'm gonna want that to be.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Was your point that Edward Tarvia Magnagus were more or
less quote unquote cool.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
I argued they were more cool and they were more
like the like like Mumford and Son's heard them and
was like, we can do this with more of a
commercial viewpoint.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
This is interesting because I have to say, to me,
I was not into indie rock at the time. Like
when I think of like what I was listening to
in the twenty tens, I was like, I was of
like new stuff. Well, first of all, I was listening
to like Nico Kasid feel an Apple. But then I
was like, okay, I was interested in like some of
the more electronic things that were happening. I was like

(44:35):
really into Grimes, I was into Sky Ferreira. Like I
to me, all of those bands, I became aware of
them first as punchlines and then as something I got into.
Like a good example of this is Vampire Weekend. First
I first learned a Vampire Weekend as something people made
fun of, and then I like did some digging and

(44:55):
I was like, you know what, I actually I don't
care what people say.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
I actually like this.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
And then I do you think they've sort of stood
the test of time in the way that now they're
no longer a punchline.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
That is so interesting because my especially Vampire Weekend, they
were like an essential for me. Yeah, where it was
also like I got the leak like two months before
the album came out, and me and my friends were
listening to it and we're like, fuck, this is fucking good. Wait.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
I actually do want to say that the indie rock
that I liked was it was like raisedly bear, local
natives yaysayer, like it was that where do you think
that fits?

Speaker 1 (45:26):
It was?

Speaker 2 (45:26):
It was the It was not like the sort of
Americana stomp clap.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Yeah, And I want to be clear, I wasn't listening
to Edward Trump the Magnetic Zeros. I just knew it better.
I knew it first as like the thing like I
was sort of like I can listen when Home is on.
I'm not complaining, Whereas whenever Munford and Sons came on,
I was like get this shit away from me. Got it,
and like I was like this era is over. But
I did go into this. I did love like Vampire Weekend.
I love the like you know, preppiness, the like boat

(45:54):
shoe vibe like I was an American apparel boat shoes diva, Yeah,
or like you know what I you know what was
I like like Future Islands? I loved Future Islands. Oh
my god, this.

Speaker 11 (46:11):
Is Annabelle calling from Scihim, Massachusetts. Uh. My question today
is less of a per and more of a pop
and by that I mean the less of a personal
question and more of a pop culture question. I recall
recently on the pod a discussion of when Demi Lovado

(46:33):
was famously in Zemi era and then was kind of.

Speaker 5 (46:38):
Like never mind.

Speaker 11 (46:40):
And I'm just thinking about that concept specifically read the
Jojo Seewaw recloseting, if that is a term by which
I mean, of course, the phenomenon in which JoJo's Sea
went on Big Brother after coming out as a lesbie and

(47:01):
started a relationship with a white man who is sis
and ten years older than her and was kind of
like never mind, I'm not a lesbian anymore, I guess
as they're now officially dated, and just wondering if you
could share some thoughts on that and if there is
an official term for that type of phenomenon where somebody

(47:27):
goes back into the closet or comes back out as sis.
I've stood around the term neverminders, I famously mentioned the
term recloseting. Just wondering about your thoughts on that, as
I feel that I've since the shift in the pop

(47:47):
where more and more people are doing this over the
last couple of years. Anyway, I love the pod keep
up the great work and SAMs. Don't let the unemployment
gets you down. You are going to be in your
creative diva era anyway.

Speaker 9 (48:05):
Lay First of all.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
I like the terminology of per versus pop personal versus
pop culture and say, I want to say the per
is pop, meaning the personal is pop culture when it
comes to gay guys that famous praise.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
So what do you think about this? First of all,
I think it's I think it's just living out loud.
I agree. I actually think it's so cool that Demi
Lovado was like I know them and then was like
never mind. Like there's something about that where I'm like,
good for you, like you because you do have to
like try it out, like feel it out. Like we

(48:43):
all have different relationships to our gender and our sexuality,
and it's like sometimes you're like maybe I'm this, and
then like you do want people to respect you with
it and be like okay, I'm this now, and then
you're like, ah, eh, whatever, I don't need to be
that anymore. Like I'm kind of like go off.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
I It's funny. I cannot begin to imagine what Demi
Levado's information intake is start there. Would I would love
to know, because you're you're already starting from a point
of like Demi Levado knows all the relevant definitions, took
that in, uh, noticed how she felt about her own gender,

(49:23):
and then was like got it. So from these options,
I am they them. I think it is so much
more avant garde than that. I think Demi like read
one thing was like they that is fab Like that
sounds like I'm multiple people and and like maybe had
a friend that taught her a new phrase. I think

(49:43):
she's like a very open minded person that that is
wanting to sort of like participate in things that are
going on. I think she also probably does feel what's
the word like entrapped by the kind of like expectations
of femininity that anyone would feel as like a big
pop star that whose job is to have long hair

(50:05):
and belt out tunes while wearing a little bikini. Yeah,
so it's sort of like out of all of that,
it was like it all went into the cauldron and
what came out was they them.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Yeah, no, I think that's a good read. I yeah,
I think you're correct, and there's something but I am
just sort of like calling especially the jujousa things like
calling it like read closet. I'm like, well, there's not
going back in the closet, Like it's more like an
expansion of what totally this house is.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
I also it's like Demi, if anything, Demi Levado becomes
more LGBTU. Plus when she goes back to she her.
Of course, I think the judgesa thing I don't. I'm
so like uninterested in analyzing because Jojosia is just so
young and has had so such strange life experiences that like, yes,

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she's gonna go ahead and like have a turbbulent sort
of time period between the ages of like sixteen and
twenty six, and we'll sort of see where she comes
out when that's over. On a broader level, I think
one fun thing we could all do is move away
from the framework being identity and towards a framework of

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like action. I just like don't care about like trading
identity markers as though they are flashcards and as though
it's like, oh no, this one, declined, declined, I guess
I'll have this one, like, oh now I'm doing this one.
It's tell me what you're up to, tell me what
you're up to, tell me what you're doing, like I
want And that's more interesting because then now we have

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a story because guess what identity is.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
That's just establishing characters. But we still need a story,
and for someone like Jojou's Eva. I know you just
said sounding interesting, but like Jojozia is hooking up with
this guy, Like I'm sort of like, go off. I
don't care if she's still like I'm a lesbian and
I have a boyfriend. Now I'm like, exactly who cares?
Like all I care about is what you're up to,
and you are doing something weird, and I love that.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Like the interesting thing is the narrative that happened on
whatever show Big Brother or whatever show she was on
and then and like that and that budding relationship rather
than like, wait, first she was with a woman and
now she's with a man.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
What does that mean for her? Fixed?

Speaker 2 (52:24):
What is her passport gonna say it's very legal.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
It's very legal, and it's like you guys, it's not
a legal document, like, it's so not like that.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Also, that's not what closet means.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Little rah Lee liater La.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Going back in the closet, especially in entertainment, is a
very specific thing. What it means is what Pee Herman did.
It means being out in your private in your uh,
you know, among your family and friends. Then because you
are becoming famous, no longer being out.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Yeah, publicly and being like and literally lying and being like,
I'm dating this random woman to be like, because you're
hiding your sexuality.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Correct, you know what is liberating literally just becoming gay
or straight whenever you want. Yes, it's the opposite of
being in the closet. You are, in fact in control
of your sexuality.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
Closet doesn't just mean gay. Why are we like this?

Speaker 2 (53:19):
I don't know, I don't know what. I don't know who,
I'm who, I'm even targeting my ingrat.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
I'm also just so pro, as you know, I'm like
so pro Demi Lato right now, which, as you is
a huge shift for me, if you know, I don't know,
if you remember my very old joke that was like
a quote unquote gay dad joke where my dad would say,
I'd rather have a bottle. I'd rather have a bottle
in front of me than a frontel a botomy, and
then I would And then my version of that was
I'd rather have a frontal lobotomy than a Demi Levado

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in front of me. And but now I'm like that
I was so wrong. I think she is a beautiful artist,
and I think she is a tortured soul, and I
think she is Everything she does is up through hard
work and persistence, and I celebrate her.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
So I do think to go back to the recency
bias thing, there is something that we have, which is
the tortured women of our youth. We will of course
always support. And I think it's great that Damiela Vada
is still releasing good music by all counts. But even
if she wasn't, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Like and I'm.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Actually like I feel this way with Lindsay low Henry.
People keep being like, she's back, she's back, She's never going.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
To be back. She's never gonna be back, folks. But
I still support her and I'm glad she's worth It's
not about her.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Yeah, it's not about her being back, it's about her
being upright. Yeah, yeah, which is also actually I will say,
someone who is back is Pam Anderson. But but even
if she wasn't back, I'd be like, no, we are
supporting you.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Oh my god, she's still back. Well, you didn't tell
what you thought. Me making gun by the way, loved it,
loved it. What a treat when she scats come on, Well,
I will say my one complain.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
I'm like, she was so good at she was so
good when she was given meaty stuff to do that.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
I'm like, give her like two more, Yeah, she needed
two more. She was so good.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
No, she was so great it really, I mean, what
are the chances that this would happen for her?

Speaker 1 (55:14):
And I know at this stage it's.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
It's almost like perfectly orchestrated by like a dark web
of of sort of CIA powered gay guys.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
Couldn't agree more. I've got to get to those gay
guy parties.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
I know, literally, what if that happens for Carmen Electra.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
I guess that'd be cool. I don't know much about her,
to be honest, She.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
To me, am I wrong that there was a time
when those were like the Big two, like Poornie.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Yeah, man, that's the name for hot. Carmen Electra, a
name is synonymous with yes, Carmen Electra, Like come on, yeah,
she machi. It's like, you're not trying to carbon electro
kill yourself.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
No, it was literally it would be like the ca
She'd be doing a cameo in a movie and the
joke is, oh my god, he dated Carmen Electra.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Yeah, So I have no idea what she's up to,
and I also think with when it comes up.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
So Carmen Electra obviously has a leg up because the
name itself is a sexy name. Carmen Electra. Ooh, and like,
where is Pamela Anderson? She made Pamela sexy and say that. No,
it's actually crazy what she did. She know what is
a trailblazer? You know what?

Speaker 2 (56:26):
It's similar to Barbie the doll making the name Barbara
like youthful. Oh you believe that the name Barbie is
a grandmother's name.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
That is amazing, You know what I was thinking. This
is not related at all, You know what I was thinking.
This is similar to the things that we think are
funny that aren't, like jokes or anything. Novel coronavirus. Hmmm,
so it's called it's called novel because it was new, Yes,
that's literally it what like it was called how novel
this coronavirus? Like I'm like, that is crazy. I thought

(56:57):
it was just like the novel Corona. Like I thought
it was like the novel coronavirus. Like I was like,
you don't need to put a novel every time, then,
like it's just like just call it the coronavirus.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
But oh god, now I'm gonna sound so stupid, is it?
Because the term coronavirus could also refer to something else
or like.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Oh god, don't, don't, don't do this?

Speaker 2 (57:17):
I had what is covid? What are the what are
the initials of COVID?

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Well, my big conspiracy, of course is that Corona the
company made them stop saying it.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Oh interesting, And of course my big and of course,
my big conspiracy is that vaccines don't work.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
What God, I remember getting a case of Corona's when
that virus was hidden and going, this doesn't feel right,
This does not feel right. I mean just as I
wanted them. I wanted that beer.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
You know, it reminds me of it used to be.
People don't remember it used to be that the name
Isis was a really beautiful name for a girl. Oh
my god, and like it's it was like an old name.
It was like being named Astrid.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Yeah. Imagine if Astrid was then new terrorist group, the
new terrorist group. My head got caught off by Astrid. Oh,
that would be a nightmare. That's tough. Fuck. I think
if you were a cool girl named Isis, I think
you should just be allowed a free pass to change
your name to Astrid. Oh that's a good idea. They

(58:18):
should pass a law. They should pass a law be like,
you're no longer Isis, You're Astrid.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Okay, I like that. Actually, yeah, yeah, it's sad because
it actually is a cool name.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
It's a cool name. And Corona is a great name
for a beer. Oh my god, Corona beautiful. The novel Coronavirus, Oh, oh, novel,
Oh my gosh, Little Scientists, Well, isn't that novel. I've
never seen this one. I hate it. I want to

(58:51):
go fast.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
We have been through so much in the last six years,
and thank god we've been here to document it all.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
I know one day I actually am excited for our
podcast to be in a museum about what it was
like to live through the pandemic.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
No, it's it will be and it will be. Uh
the episode where Dan Lacatta's topic is shitting.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
There's almost there's almost. If we were a little more
self indulgent and also geniuses, if we would go back
and listen to our own episodes and react to them.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Oh my god, can you believe? Can you imagine?

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Rather I can't imagine.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
I almost am like, we should do that just once.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
I'm like, we are different people. I would love to
know what it sounds like.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Different, like in a truly substantial fundamental ways, Like at
our core, we are different people with different values.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
Yeah, yep, that is wild. Remember how I was always
hungover when we were recording Now, I've never hungover, always hungover,
and that was like part of the joke.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Yeah, I was so, We're all, yeah, we were trying
to we want it so badly for the joke to
be that we were not actually doing a podcast, And
I thought the funniest thing I could be was incredibly
abrasive and rude to everyone. I also was very like,
I feel like I was very nervous that I would

(01:00:19):
come off dumb. And so I would compensate by like
just just like it's like, okay, let's say I say
a dumb sentence then being like by the way, I
know a different word and it's long.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Damn. I love that we're now recounting this. This is fun.
I know. Well, should we wrap it up?

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
You know. Any final thoughts on the boo boos?

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Well, I mean this is a larger conversation, but at
some point we should have a larger conversation about like
the these types of things. I'm thinking beanie babies, furbies,
la boo boos. There is a there is a deep
like I don't know, Freudian instinct or something.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
This is genius.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
You have like a collectible little monsters that are objectively
cheap and ugly looking.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
There is a Okay, I've heard this thing once where
there's like every culture invents the dragon, like separately from
each other, like whoa, because it's the sort of this
like animalistic thing inside of us that's like, what's the
scariest thing. It's like, Okay, it has claws, it has wings,
it's scaly, it's like everything we as humans kind of fear.

(01:01:32):
And I was like, so there's something in us animalistically
where we're like and we need a little creature that
is ours.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Yeah, and that is like collectible and sort of halfway
between scary and cue or halfway between ugly and cute.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Yeah, like only I find it cute or something like
and has just.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Like really sort of off putting colors. And also the
idea that all of these will like someday be worth
more money. Like there's also the crypto element to it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
The cynical side of me is that we just as
a culture always recreate capitalism, and we like essentially are
just creating the stock market.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
Again, the stock I was about, say, it's not just capitalism,
it's it's finance. It's the financial market.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
Yeah, Which that's that's the cynical part. I want to
believe it's a spiritual thing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
I just am sort of like the least we can
do is if we're gonna keep recreating the financial markets,
at least make.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Supreme sure, Like, at least at least do fashion.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Come on, Like, do fashion try to be cool, try
to capture something, don't La Boobos especially, There's something about
how they like attached to your backpacks and clothes, like
they're like We've done that already. That's what middle school was.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Yeah, the boo boo.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
It's scary though, And for me the reference point is
beanie babies because that's what we grew up with. The
people doing la booboos don't know about beanie babies. For them,
this is the first time they're seeing something like this,
and then when they're older and someone who's gonna invent
flah blah blah, they're gonna be like, oh my god,
like this is just lab.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Boo boo boo. They're like, we need to like unpack
why fla Blue Blue is popular.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
We are both recloseted, recloseted never minders hosting a podcast
about recloseting, and they need to discuss why Fla Blue
blahs are like La boo boos and we actually are
Australia Lab Recap podcast the Recent Bias. They are our
favorite seventy five year old podcasters. Even though we hate

(01:03:35):
all their recent work, we actually love their old stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
We love their old stuff. Well, this has been a treat.
We are probably on tour now. When this comes out,
we'll probably done with our East Coast leg. Sorry, get
tickets to the West coasts. Yeah, we added second shows
in Portland and Seattle, and San Francisco has not sold

(01:03:57):
out yet and neither has La.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Honestly though, things are selling pretty well. Yeah, not well
enough where I'm like two more tickets left, but well enough.
It will eventually be sold out, so you better act fast.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Months Yeah, Okay, Well, this has been an amazing afternoon
with you, George as always.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
As always, and stay classy San Diego.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
Damn and he got an anchorman quotes iconic.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
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Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
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Speaker 9 (01:04:52):
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Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
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Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
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Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
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Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
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