"Going Home" w/ Jo Sunday

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Speaker 1 (00:20):
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(00:41):
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Enjoy the episode. Bye. Podcast starts. Now what's up everyone
around the globe? You're listening to Stradio Lab and Hello
and hello. We have just had a lunch.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
We both went to different food carts.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yeah, it actually felt very Austin. Yeah, we both into
different food carts. I got the Lawful and of course
I got tie And which is so us? It was
so us and it was so us to sort of
not even question should we eat of the same food truck?
We said, no, I'm going here, you going here. I

(01:21):
actually think we have an amazing way of separating while together.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Yes, I completely agree. It is that thing that people
say that we're like. Intimacy is being able to be
with each other but not speak. Yeah, which we don't
necessarily do as much.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
No, we are speaking.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
We are speaking, but then when it's time, we know
where we differ and like we will silently just go
you know, I will.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
I will go into what's an example of something that
is different for us.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
You can't do this to me. I know.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
I was about to be like, I will go into
the Jake Crew and it's like you own JA Crew
than I do.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Okay, let's not point fingers.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
No, I actually think you're some ravenous for j Cru
That's not true. You have literally fifteen of those giant chinos.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
I have three. That is a lot.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
You need different color.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Why am I stigmatizing your giant chinos? I can't believe
you're doing this to me on my I know, I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
The thing is you're right, like you forget with pants.
It's so hard because they actually last longer than you think.
You think, like, oh, I'm gonna wear these for this year,
and so it's like, but no, I'm actually gonna wear
them for like five years. So now I have these
giant pants I've been wearing for five years, and it's
like and it's sort of like, well, now I want
new pants, but I can't because my pants are perfectly fine.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
I wonder if I'll ever know how to dress myself,
or if this is I'm gonna be, you know, ninety
five years old on my deathbed and be like, do
these fit?

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Well, you're on your you're ninety gute on your deathbed,
and you're like, work wear is over, and yeah, I'm
wearing work with I you know, I'm wearing tiny little
shorts today.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
And you wore them yesterday or the other recording we
did as well.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah, but I want to say it's a very conscious
choice because, as we all know, tiny little shorts are out.
But I said, actually, they're so out there's something almost
fun about it. I agree, and so I was like,
that could be a little twist. There's edge in them. Again.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Something people don't talk about is trends.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
Aside the short length that looks good on you actually
have to do with the shape of your legs.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Well.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Some people have better calves, some people have better thighs,
some people have more attractive knees. There are different hair
patterns that can come into play, and I think people
it's a losing battle to be chasing short length trends. Yeah,
and it's a very like defensive thing it is.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
I mean, I have long shorts that I wear. I'm
not above a trend. Of course, of course I'm human.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
We both have the post lunch sleepies. We have to
address that. I'm sorry, words are not coming to me.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
No, but this I have words. Let we finished the slot, ok,
and then we can talk about we say so. But
there's something that feels as as we all know, branding
as is false. You shouldn't like be you know, trapped
inside of your own self branding. But there's something about
going from short shorts to long shorts back and forth

(04:16):
where I'm like, this is sort of the the the like,
I'm not presenting a cohesive self like I I I'm
actually presenting someone who like is lost. Okay, you're specs. Okay,
now we can talk about your your You are sleepy.

(04:36):
You are literally unable to think of a word, and
it is crazy. You don't even have filler words. There's
no wow, there's no there's no that's interesting, there's no
Let me think about that. You can't even think of
the filler words.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Sorry you're saying, I'm upset you think that having long
some long shorts and have shorts and some short shorts
makes you feel like you are not on brand.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
It's beyond the brand, George. It makes me feel like
multiple personalities personalities.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
I mean, you're but you're also wearing sometimes formal shoes
and sometimes sneaker or sometimes short sleeves.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
But that's different. I'm saying that there's something about the
short length to your soul.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Okay, okay, So short length like an astrological sign or
like a birthday or something like that. Like it is,
it's a break from reality when you go with different
shot exactly.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Okay, I think that. I think that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Would you say, though, that that is the case for
pant tightness like it, because to me it does feel
like a conscious decision when someone you know that's wearing
a straight fit suddenly shows up and we're talking boot cut.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
I do, and I do think it's that's why it's
so hard for people to change their tightness.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
I almost think there should be a kind of doula
that like a clothing doula, where you say, you say
to someone I would like in six months, I would
like to be at a place where my pants are
this with or or my shorts are this length, and
they say, okay, we can work on a plant.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
We will be dilating your pants.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
We will be dilating your pants over the next six month.
And you can download this app. It's fifty a month
and it will give you and you can and we
have a tailor we.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Work with, and you return all the pants, return the pants.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
It's very sustainable and eco friendly, and we collaborate with
a lot of women owned businesses.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
And but in six months, people won't even notice that
there's been a change.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
They'll just be like, you look really.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Good for some reason. Hmmm, to read our guest, are
you wanting to explore this spot more?

Speaker 2 (06:32):
No, I'm into I mean I do.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
I think it was the smartest thing I've said so far.
And finally I was on a roll and now you're
suddenly cutting me off.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yeah, a little bit. I just feel like our guest
was like having I was seeing light bulbs, yeah, and
I was like curious to hear what the first.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Be sure where?

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Well, we should get someone else's perspective, someone who is
not currently wearing pants or shorts.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Even that's true, there's a third choice.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
There's a third choice. There's actually many more choices.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Oh my god, that feeling when there's many more choices.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Hereiod, So please welcome Joe Sunday.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
Guys, Do not get me started on skirt and on dress.
We'll be here all freaking night. But can I can
we actually go back to something?

Speaker 5 (07:12):
This is okay?

Speaker 4 (07:13):
Well fuck, okay already so okay, of course I was
giving you all kinds of faces. Yeah, but you know
what I was thinking while you were talking, is I'm
so grateful that I don't have to weigh in yet
that with the faces I was trying to give you. Yeah,
I guess, just some active listening, just some keep going.

(07:34):
You were making some amazing points.

Speaker 5 (07:36):
I had no idea where I stoop, but you just okay,
this is what I Okay, Sam Taggart, nice to meet
you right today. Day one. I don't want to say
I don't want to disrespect you.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
Of course, you know what long, long long time I've
been with you guys, since day one, since episode freaking one. WHOA,
So I know that you don't take disrespect on this podcast.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
We have actually more than you might think me, especially.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
Recently, George takes more disrespect than Sam.

Speaker 5 (08:06):
And so I need to be careful.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
And would you say that I actually have the opposite reputation.
It's like people would think I would take less disrespect,
but in fact I take more.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (08:18):
Because you're like the smarty pants one.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
No, because I'm like, see, I like sort of.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
See, that's not disrespect.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
That's not DISRESPECTO like the idea that I'm more like particular,
like an opinionated about things.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Sam is more chill, Presents is more chill, is what
I'm trying to say.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
But I think that's almost why I don't take disrespect
them the same way, because when someone is like tries
to be disrespectful, I sort of like, I'm like, no.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Thank you you physically, Oh wait, go ahead, I take
disrespect and Sam doesn't go ahead, Okay.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
So I just want to be careful because this might
come across as disrespectful.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, I'm bracing myself.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
Can we please go back to Sam's idea of the
one year pant I'm like, how much money have you
had every single minute of your life that you five pants?
And you think I'll have these for this year.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
No, no, No, you're thinking, what is that?

Speaker 2 (09:08):
It's different for guys, but I don't know what are
you doing?

Speaker 1 (09:14):
It's not that I actually it's it's like, it's sort
of like how I think I'll get there in fifteen minutes,
no matter where it is. Yes, it's like I don't
if someone put a gun to my head and it was like,
how long will these pants last? Obviously I don't think
one year, Like I'll be like, I don't know anywhere
between the three and four years.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
But I think I'm shocked. For me, the default is
my lifetime.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
Anytime anything has happened to any piece of clothing, it's like,
it's it's unbearable to me.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
You're wearing clothes that you owned seven years ago.

Speaker 5 (09:44):
Mmmm.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
Definitely some items and definitely like if I can't like
if I've lost them or there's some kind of stain
or something. It's very confusing to me and distressing.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Trying so hard not to bring agent to this because
you know that's in the back of my mind. No,
I'm like, what will happen? What will happen when you
in the next back, throughout the next way, throughout.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
The No, I'm not even talking about that happens.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
That does happen, course, But what happens is as you
get older Jesus Christ, shoot me, is that you have
these periods where suddenly you wake up and you're like, oh, no,
I need to I need to grow up, like and
it's like it'll happen first when you're like twenty seven,
twenty eight, and it'll happen like another time in your
early thirties and you'll just be like, I can't be

(10:33):
wearing this kind of thing, like this is this is
coming across as unseerious.

Speaker 5 (10:37):
Oh I've been feeling from day one.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah, it gets really hard to plan for the future,
which is why like not that I wear it for
only one year, but I think only about the year.
Like I'm sort of like I will have these pants
for the year, and then after that I will find
ways to use them, but they won't be my pants.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Of the every single photograph of myself from the past,
I'm like, you were going through something, And which is
why the older I get, the more basic I'm like, okay,
so we need clean lines. The shape of your body
should not be visible in any way, and everything should
be blue and black.

Speaker 5 (11:11):
I mean, I totally agree.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
Like I'm not giving that today, But lately I've been
wearing a style that I describe as sack non binary.
Where I got you guys bed Threads dot com as
these linen pants made from the same material as they
make their amazing bed sheets, and it's just oh, sack,
and then you just get a top. It's just another

(11:33):
sack right on top.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
And see, here's what's going to happen, or here's what
happened to me. Okay, you have that realization the first time,
and you think you can make it work with Uniclo.
Big mistake.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
So that is five years right there, trying to it.

Speaker 5 (11:46):
Started on Uniclo.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
You will it's shrunk by the time you walk out
of the store.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yes, And by the time you get onto the subway,
it's actually it's gone.

Speaker 5 (11:56):
You you're sure you might as well donate it.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
No, the back disappears, the bag it's auto donates and yes, exactly,
and you have to put all the clothes in that
little weird ai bin where it like calculates the cost.
So first you try to make it work with unclothe
that last five years. Then you're like, well, I have
to throw all of this away because it actually has
been trash from the moment I paid for it, and

(12:18):
it fits not only poorly, but it actually makes me
literally aware of insecurities I never even knew I had.
And so then you start all over and you try
to make it work using kind of vintage clothing from
the nineties.

Speaker 5 (12:36):
You have some chops to get that. Yeah, cool, How
disrespectful was.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
I'm glad you asked. I'm trying to gauge on a
scale of one to ten, because I think what's tough
is baseline. I'd say it wasn't that it was like
a four, okay, four out of ten okay, But but
I'm sort of like, I don't feel that I defended
myself properly, Like I actually like I accepted the disrespect

(13:02):
in a way that I should have deflected the disrespect
a little bit better.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
You're catching us in an insecure moment. I think for
most to both of us are kind of someone. I'm like,
someone needs to step up and be the top a little.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
Bit because that I am sensing like I don't think
any of us are well right now.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
And what is it? Stop leaving me voicemails?

Speaker 5 (13:22):
I mean, for me, it's an ideation, Like, how about
for you guys, the ideation of suicide.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Oh, it's just like specifically, it's.

Speaker 5 (13:34):
What it's too soon to bring that up with.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Then, is that your straight topics suicide pants?

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Well, it's sort of. I think what's complicated about the
ideation is that I was thinking that you're gonna say, like,
what's causing the ideation, and you're like you're just saying
like there's no matter the cause I have the ideation.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Whereas I thought the issue was the ideation, like thinking
of straight topics, the like ideating thing of straight topics
was what was stressing you out?

Speaker 1 (14:02):
I mean the ideation I love in general.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
The ideation will be a great one person show for you.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Well, because it can mean a lot of things, because
there's also the ideation of like a better future.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yeah, and there's also ideating like in a wardroom out
of startup, it's like we have to do the big launch,
and so we have to ideate a plan.

Speaker 5 (14:20):
You can idate about all kinds of things.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
Yeah, I mean, how much would it help my life
if I ideated about other stuff.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
And the methods with which I got to come myself?

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Can I tell you guys, I've had this like, whenever
I get really bummed out, I sing this song oh please.
I started when I was walking dogs and when it
would be like raining and cold, I would go, I'm
going to fucking kill my stuff. I'm going to fucking
key a lot of stuff. It's original. I wrote it
while I was walking dogs and Okay, I remember being like,

(14:48):
this is such a good song.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
How do you guys feel about suicide humor? I think
it's back you think so. Yeah, I think we're all
so nihilistic. It's sort of like what are we gonna do?

Speaker 5 (15:01):
I think it's tough because I think it's just hard
to do it in a way that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah, I agree. It's one of those things in g idiation.

Speaker 5 (15:12):
I'm like, here we go, yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Thank you for saying it, because I was like, Jesus
fucking Christ.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
But I'm more mean, like in the sort of like
like it used to be when someone be like I'm
going to kill myself, people be like, don't say that.
And now I think people are like, oh, you can
say that.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
So maybe that's why now I'm like, well, don't say that,
you know what I mean. Sure, it's no longer I am.
I really have done a one eighty on it, And
I used to think people were so sensitive about it,
and now I'm kind of like, so what is like,
let's actually aim higher with gallows humor. There are actually

(15:49):
more grotesque things we can joke about that can that
are more like uh complex than the black and white
of alive dead.

Speaker 5 (16:01):
No, that's totally how I feel like when I started,
basically probably like one of the first dan of jokes
I ever wrote was me going on stage and being like, Hi,
I want to kill myself. And at that time I
was like, oh, here I go.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
Now it's like you and everybody Anthony, yeah is in
the ditch in the ditch he was watching that immediately
killed himself. They want to got him. But now, yeah,
we need more interesting humor about death.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Is death even taboo anymore? You know what I mean?
Right right? Like, yeah, like is anything taboo?

Speaker 1 (16:49):
So this is the thing.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
It's like, when religion is no longer uh sacred, when
institutions are no longer sacred, what is the thing that
you want to take down? As someone who is doing
like radical art, Like what what are what are you
trying to undercut?

Speaker 1 (17:12):
This is a stretch.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, this is a stretch.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Is sincerity taboo?

Speaker 3 (17:17):
Oh so it's wait, so if sincerit's taboo, then the
radical thing would be to be sincere.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah, now that's interesting. David Foster Wallace Alert. So, like,
where did you get.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
That idea that sincerity's taboo? Did somebody make fun of you?

Speaker 1 (17:34):
No? I feel that. I just it's like not in
vogue in any way. I feel Oh, it's like it's
like quick, a quick path to corny and and so
I think it's like it's not like taboo, like I'm offended,
but I do you think it's a little taboo of
like they're not cool? Yeah? But is that when someone

(17:55):
does it, Well, I'm like, wow, you managed, how the
hell did you do that?

Speaker 5 (17:59):
Yeah, I'm I'm I'm I hear that. I hear that.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
But that's funny because that almost makes it even more taboo.
It like has to be earned, Like to do it
on its own is like the ultimate sin to actually
be like I like modern family.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Well, well I do like modern family, but it's see,
we can't do it because when we say when like literally,
there's no way for you just saying I like modern
family is itself a.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Joke, Yes, because you have a mustache, because.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
It's like, what do you mean you're you're one of
you're one of the weirdest guys we've got.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Well also, of course you're doing the like ironic hipster
mustache thing of like it's even more cool that you
like modern family than it would be if you liked
ariast because it's like so funny.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
Right, Maybe I'm still distracted by the ideas, But I'm like,
I think, you know, I think, like if you tried,
I think maybe it's in the delivery.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Of or maybe there's like maybe maybe.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
You guys, maybe there's maybe there's like elements of social
code that I don't get, Like I think I hid
I do the thing of being like I'm an immigrant.
It's like, right, but you've lived here like pretty much
your entire life. I'm like, if you.

Speaker 5 (19:07):
Said I like modern family, I'd be.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Like, great, oh you're saying you wouldn't take that as like.

Speaker 5 (19:13):
A But also I don't know stuff what no like culturally.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
That doesn't sound right, that doesn't sound right to me.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
I feel that I struggle, what.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Do you think that is? What do you think what
is a resoning?

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Someone brought up that you didn't know were like a
reference you're not familiar.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
With, like everything, like everything, let me think, let me
think the quest question.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Like if I'm like spice girls, I can't picture them.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
You can't picture the Spice girls.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Now that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Sorry to attack you.

Speaker 5 (19:54):
No, is this helping? Is this helping? My claim?

Speaker 2 (19:57):
So that is actually I really tell you what.

Speaker 5 (19:59):
Their races are. Really, I don't know if we should
put this on air, Like.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
I no, no, this is really amazing stuff. And also, okay,
I want to say one thing. Disrespect is huge for you. Yeah,
you're like, it's it's an interesting lens through it to
see interactions like because I think here's a theory, I'm like,
and I'm working through this as I say it. I

(20:25):
wonder if one of the things that is a real
personality trade for each person is the one thing they
fear most going into a social interaction. I think for
some people it's shame. For some people, think it's some
people it's embarrassment. For some people, it's like ignorance, like
the fear that you'll be caught not knowing something. For
some people, it's like awkwardness, like just the fear of

(20:46):
an awkward silence is so much more top of mind
than the fear of, you know, having food in your
teeth or something.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
For some it's.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Coming across a certain way, like across as condescending or
coming across as silly or whatever, and I'm learning that
for you, it's like coming across as disrespectful.

Speaker 5 (21:10):
That's that is a big part of it. I will say.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
The underside of the fear of disrespect is the shame
that I'm carrying through each and ever interaction.

Speaker 5 (21:22):
Are you guys not afraid of disrespecting people?

Speaker 3 (21:25):
It's I certainly it's not my top it's it's not
I don't want to it's not top five.

Speaker 5 (21:32):
Have you recently felt disrespected, because I think it's also
a bit orry.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Fearing being disrespected is different than fearing your disrespectful.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
But I think part of my fear of disrespecting people
comes from every once in a while, I do feel disrespected, and.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
You feel how bad that feels. So you're like, I
wouldn't want to do that to someone else.

Speaker 5 (21:50):
It's a bit of that.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Yeah, Sometimes though, being disrespected can like unlock a like
revenge fantasy for me where I'm like, if I disrespect
and I'm like, you maybe disrespected me now, but checking
with me in three years when I am the biggest
singer in the.

Speaker 5 (22:05):
World, like, and that's motivating.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
I would actually go even far. That's motivating, motivating.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Sorry, I thought you made up a word. For a second,
I was like, I need to hear more.

Speaker 5 (22:16):
Oh gosh, I wish.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
I would go farther than what you're saying, which is
when I am disrespected in conversation, I e. It's so
weight off my shoulders because I no longer have to
impress this person or or or keep the volley going,
you know what I mean, Like because I they have
broken the social contract. They have disrespected me, so I

(22:40):
don't have to maintain a level of civility.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
Okay, can I tell you why I disagree? Wait, but go,
we'll save mine.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
It's also if you are feeling self conscious in a
space of like does anyone here disrespect me? And then
if someone's disrespectful, then you're kind of like, see I
was right.

Speaker 4 (22:55):
Oh okay, let me Yeah, okay. I'm going to bring
in an element that I'm realizing right now.

Speaker 5 (23:02):
It's very true. There's an element of disrespect that is
tense to me. In a way that's a bit horny
and a bit exciting.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Oh and I think.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
That's also like actually to break it down, when I'm saying,
like I'm about to say this and I might disrespect you,
like that is a method.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Of flirting to me, this makes so much sense to me.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
And so you saying that it makes you pull back.
I'm like, oh, no, my strategy's maybe not working.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Well, No, I would never happen with you because I
have I assume the best intentions with you. I'm saying
if i'm and also when I'm.

Speaker 5 (23:43):
Going there's playspect versus.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Yeah, well of course, but even further than play, there's
just like it can be genuine disrespect coming from a friend.
But you're like, okay, but I know what you were
trying to say, Like, it's it can someone people have
friends of mine or people I like have disrespected me,
and I have a moment where I'm like do I
want to get mad? And I'm like, no, you just

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you overlook it and it's fine, but you know when
it's coming from a negative place.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Of course, the horniness of disrespect I do kind of get.
But you were doing it in like a because we
never met it's like a fun way to be like,
we're actually much closer than you think, Like, yeah, yeah,
and I do appreciate it for that what that is.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
And I do feel, of course I'm in a parasocial
relationship with you. Like you guys hung out with your
own friends yesterday. I was like, oh, they didn't.

Speaker 5 (24:36):
Think to invite me. Okay, noted, I'm free.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
But.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
So I you have felt disrespected in the past, this
is why you fear disrespecting others.

Speaker 5 (24:51):
I don't think it's the main reason. Yeah, but it's
one of the reasons.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Is it, Like, did you grow up in a household
where disrespect.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
Was a huge Here we go, here we go. Well
that's the main reason, of course, Yeah, clear as day. Yeah, yeah, yes,
And I think I also maybe one of the things
I ought to unlearn.

Speaker 5 (25:16):
I think I do. But it's also.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
Oka I feel like this is also like a Gonian
or even like colonial British lens through which I view
the world that when I walk into a room, I
am kind of assessing various social hierarchies.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Huh.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
I'm like, this is your podcast. Yeah, I'm a guest
on your podcast. I've already wronged you guys probably one, two, three, four,
four to six ways already and you know we're just
getting started.

Speaker 5 (25:51):
You're older than me, you're privatised.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah. So, but I would say, I mean, I also
I don't. I also am like hierarchy brained, yeah, and
I don't like sometimes I wish I wasn't like I
hate that. I'm like walking to his space and I'm like, okay,
they have this, they have this, I have this, and
I'm like, oh, it makes me feel bad.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Something I will say about more broadly our industry is,
on the one hand, it is disorienting that at any
given point the hierarchies can change, quote unquote. On the
other hand, I actually fundamentally find it kind of nice
that it's not so rigid. I mean, it can be

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really disorienting if suddenly a nineteen year old I've never
heard of I hear that they are the number one
touring comedian in the country, right because.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
They apply gotten TikTok er.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yes, that is obviously a little disorienting, but like, would
I rather live in that buy that, like the ticket sales?

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Does this ticket sales speak for themselves?

Speaker 5 (26:56):
Yeah, but that person still isn't above me. In the hierarchy.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Oh, I see what.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
You're No, that's true. This is something that I find
particularly complicated not to go there.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Oh my god, he's there now as a listener. You
know what he's gonna.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Okay, Because it's just like people love to be like, no,
you're lower in the hierarchy because they are they have
this job, and I'm like, well, you misunderstand. I don't
respect that job, and and I'm like, I'm actually interesting,
and so they're like, it's like an interesting there's something
where I'm like, which is part of maybe why I

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don't fit in. I don't feel like I fit in
over there because I don't believe in that hierarchy.

Speaker 5 (27:38):
Completely agree.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
And that's also a place where I get disrespectful where
I'm hierarchy brain. But it's my own higher yes, totally totally,
and it's not the one that others have agreed to.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
And so when you are when you okay, this is interesting,
this is interesting, This is interesting.

Speaker 5 (27:55):
Oh what a relief?

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Could you imagine?

Speaker 5 (27:58):
What the podat?

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Do you have anything else?

Speaker 5 (28:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (28:01):
This is quite boring.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
You have fear disrespecting people that in your personal hierarchy
are higher than you.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
I think so, And I think there's also gosh even
to go here. I think there's a bit of sick
satisfaction in elevating someone from the hierarchy or from a place.

Speaker 5 (28:22):
Do you know? Do you see what I'm saying? Like
where someone?

Speaker 4 (28:26):
I like the feeling of giving reverence to someone who's
maybe not expecting it from me.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Whoa? Whoa?

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Do you think we weren't expecting it from me? Well?

Speaker 5 (28:42):
Were you expecting it from me?

Speaker 1 (28:45):
I didn't know what to expect. I was just coming
in with an open mind and saying, people love Joe.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, people do love Joe. I was expecting it a
little bit.

Speaker 5 (28:56):
But I love that it's third person.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Know, first of all, we love Joe, but also I
was expected litterally because we've talked about how.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
You are, so I knew. I knew that coming. Ah.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
If we hadn't talked about that, then I'd be like, well,
they might not even know who we are, and that's
also fine, and that's also valid. And maybe in your
personal hierarchy, were kind of footage not found because we're
neither lower nor higher.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
No, if a Brooklyn comedian doesn't know about you, guys,
I don't thank you for specifying.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
Thank you for specifying that.

Speaker 5 (29:27):
So see and how fun was that?

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Yes, and that was playful disrespect and it's also true
and it's also true like yeah, no, the way that
it's night and day.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Sorry, oh my god, sorry, yeah what the way that?
The way that what? We're just mad at me? And
he's right, this is boring, but it's just like the
way that in Los Angeles, I'm like constantly disrespected.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
You don't realize sometimes is that so many LA based
people are listening to everything you're saying, and they're like
writing on a little piece of paper, putting in their
back pockets. They're saying, this is how Sam feels about
all of us. You are speaking when you're on the podcast,
you're speaking as though you're talking to a friend, and
you're gossiping about all the people in LA. You have
no idea that it's all going back to them, because

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you know what they're all doing. They're texting in group chats.
That's their number one form of entertainment over there.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Meanwhile, they should be focusing on the TV shows.

Speaker 5 (30:32):
I've never been to LA. I wonder about their lifestyle
that they have.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Over We can't get into it because they're listening. And
also because approximately seventy percent of our.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Podcast is theizing about the lifestyle with people in LA.
Can I say something please? Part of me doesn't believe
you when you say you don't know the Spice girls.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
That's interesting.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
I'm I and I and now I'm really sorry to
be disrespectful because I hate that my mind goes there
and it shows that I am distressful with people, and
it shows that I I'm looking around and I'm like, okay,
so who's being fake and who's being real?

Speaker 5 (31:03):
I know I know what to say to you. I
know what to say to you.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
I can admit a moment when I have lied in
order to convince you that now I'm telling.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
You the truth. Okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
The other day I posted you said we should talk
about this. I posted on my Instagram.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Story this was crazy.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
Actually, go ahead, I said, I said, girl, why did
I just find out who Natalie Portman is? It was
a video that I saw Natalie Portman doing a door
ad in the Brussels airport and then I said, girl,
I thought this was Molly Shannon.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Now here's my question for you.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
Sixty percent true?

Speaker 3 (31:42):
How is that sixty percent you had heard the name
but didn't sixty percent true.

Speaker 5 (31:46):
I'm a storyteller. I'm a storyteller. You think I haven't
seen that movie where she plays the bird black Slaw.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
So okay, But but did you not know her name
or you had heard the name but had an associated.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
With that face.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
No, I knew the name and I knew the face,
but I forgot and then imagine my But then who's
in my head instead? Molly Shannon comedian And then I'm
in the airport, I'm seeing this video.

Speaker 5 (32:13):
I was like, the hell is that?

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (32:18):
And then we and then it's you know, I would say,
I'm very practiced in the art of going viral on
Instagram stories day in, day out.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
A lot of people don't know you can go viral
on Instagram stories.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
It's not a shareable media.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
Actually, if we could monetize Instagram stories, I would live
a one year pant kind of a lifestyle.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Having my pants for many years. By the way, I
just I want the record. I feel like the facts
are getting lost. My pants are lasting four years. One
of my pairs of jeans has lost all form in
a cool way where it's now like just bag baggy,
and I wear those all the time still, but a
cowboy boot with those, that's a fun look. The other pair,
which was the the Kreme de la Krem imagine, Yeah,

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and and they've lost their form in a way that's
just formless and bad. It looks a little saggy, it.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Looks a little no, I assume it looks a little bad.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
In the butt, it's I.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Have a parent.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
I have beans that I only wear at home. They're
actually so stretchy that they're almost like sweatpants.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Now.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
And if you ever had a doubt that your clothing
can literally make your body look different, when I tell
you my butt looks literally as flat as a board,
it's it's it's like an optical illusion. Like it's almost
like if I was cast as a character of guy
with flat ass, I would look amazing.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
In those pants.

Speaker 5 (33:43):
What's your dream role?

Speaker 2 (33:44):
My dream roll guy with flat ass? What is my
dream role?

Speaker 5 (33:50):
It's a quiz question. Okay, here's a podcast.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Yeah, I want you to be in a Bond movie
as like the guy who the guy who introduced all
the gadgets.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Oh that's good, I could cool. I don't have a
lot of range as an actor, but I definitely could
do a sort of pretty even keeled performance with one.

Speaker 5 (34:14):
Oh look at that? Can I? Well, I don't know
how much I want to dig into the Spice girl's
business because I think I might get very I fear
the vitriol of the internet. I do want to ask.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
We don't have angry fans or angry listeners.

Speaker 5 (34:33):
I will say your listeners are loving, but they could
what if they appear from somewhere else? Or I can't
be like because I'm putting other people in my group.
There needs to be bravery sending people's podcast clips to
my friends.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Sometimes it's better to be talked about than not talked about.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Oh yeah, that's what we keep finding out.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
So what was? What? What say more about this?

Speaker 3 (35:00):
But you also just can't be You can't be thinking
people on the internet are going to be mad at me.
Otherwise you'll never say anything interesting in your life. And
I'm not saying you all of us?

Speaker 5 (35:10):
Okay, I needed that bit of with you. Yeah, God,
what the spikes cross?

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (35:15):
What are they? Okay? I'm assuming these are three women?

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Incorrect? Yeah you have one market?

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Yes, guess like, like, what country are they from? Well?

Speaker 5 (35:29):
I was going to ask you, what are the races
on these women?

Speaker 2 (35:34):
What country do you think they're from?

Speaker 1 (35:37):
I think that's an easier start.

Speaker 5 (35:40):
By golly, I hope the United States.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
You are lying? Are you lying so bad you can't say?

Speaker 6 (35:50):
By golly, I hope the United States and have us
believe you.

Speaker 5 (36:00):
This is what I say that I lied about Natalie
portmant a bit.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Yes, but now you're not going about this question.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
Yes, because that was an instance where you know, I
forgot who she was for a second, but I figured
she looks a bit like Molly Shannon, and people will
enjoy this.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
I just want to say, for the record, she looks
nothing like and we have to be honest about.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
That, like I love what you're doing, like.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
I love Molly Shannon, and I love Natalie Cortman, and
I of course love Dior. But we have to kind
of fight back against this new stereotype that Natalie Cortman
looks like mal Shannon has never been.

Speaker 5 (36:34):
Are you okay?

Speaker 2 (36:34):
To me?

Speaker 5 (36:35):
She just looks like a slightly we could be Mally
Shannon's cousin. Well, I look that much like you, don't.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
They don't look like I like to you, I think they.

Speaker 5 (36:45):
Are all Little Bob's.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
I mean they could be they could play they could
play relatives. They could play relatives.

Speaker 5 (36:52):
Think our song? Yes, did Bob? So the color be
the ball? I know about that?

Speaker 4 (36:59):
Okay, Okay, they could play relatives. Okay, Okay, so you
agree they look similar?

Speaker 1 (37:03):
So do you don't? Do you know? What? Do you
know any Spice Girls music?

Speaker 5 (37:10):
Jesus, so they're not from the United States.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
There's I actually I keep wanting to tell you about them,
but I I sort of want to not I don't
want to.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
I'm not going to answer any questions about that.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
Gosh, oh my gosh, listeners, here's my defenses. I grew
up in like a Kimmy Schmidt kind of a situation.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
What was your situation anymore? But also only for comfortable.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
Sure, I wasn't allowed to watch a lot of stuff, No,
that's fair, and consume a lot of stuff, and a
lot of it was like under the radar, and a
lot of my cultural references during my upbringing. Or one
VHS tape of Oliver Twist the musical mm hmm. Are

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the Spice Girls and Oliver Twists?

Speaker 3 (37:59):
You know, they're actually closer to Oliver Twists than you
would then to Natalie Portman.

Speaker 5 (38:03):
Yeah, that is amazing.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Yeah, it's really cool.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
It's really cool. And how many five? Yeah, there's five.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
And three of them are white or sorry, four of
them are white and then they have they have one
black one great and unfortunately you're not going to like this.

Speaker 5 (38:25):
Oh no she died. No, okay, she is scary.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Sp They're all named blank spice. She is named scary spice.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
So there's baby spice, ginger spice, Posh spice, sporty spice.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
They're all white. Scary spice is black. To break that
used to.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Is honestly like amazing, Like this is really interesting, and
I'm actually if you need a moment.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
We can Jesus grant that's you because we've had decades
to process.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
And it was always weird.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
It was always weird, and like it was weird as.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
A kid, yeah, and I was like, that's confusing, Yeah,
it's it's it's and as.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
A kid, but there was like a justification, they would
say when we were kids, like they were like, well,
because she.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
I always felt the justification was which is obviously not true,
that she Melby somehow like chose it for herself and
was like I love being scary. Yeah, because she was
like because she because she like wore leopard print. Yeah,
so in that sense, she was scary, like a deadly
cat would be. Even that's a bit of a stretch,

(39:36):
obvious it was at But if she in a world
where she chose it, where they were like, you can
each choose your quality and she chose scary, that would
almost be a reclamation of it or something, or it
would just be her being like, yeah, my personality is that.
I'm like, yeah, yeah, But of course that's obvious. It
was obviously a sun must have been a sign. That's
what we're doing now is like what we were talking
about with Maggie, where sometimes you watch a classic movie

(39:58):
for the first time as an adult and you want
to talk about it with people as though it's new,
and everyone's like, yeah, no, I've seen Goodfellas.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
It's like, it's not, Oh my god, that's happening to
me so many times.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
But I do love just like litigating the racism of
the Spice Girl's names in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
I'm curious too, so I get I understand the sort
of raised in Kimmi schmidt ViBe's thing, Like were you
going to like parties with other kids, like birthday parties
or anything like roller rink parties like that type of thing,
because that is where you would have heard Spice.

Speaker 5 (40:36):
Girl songs on occasion.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
I was allowed at the if.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
You went to like the pool for someone's eighth birthday.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
Right, you know, I bet did the Spice Girl saying y'all,
I'll tell you what, well, what that's that guy?

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Okay, you're killing it me.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
That was amazing.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
But I guess I just maybe I wasn't seeing the videos,
but those were amazing.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Because I mean they also were before you were born, and.

Speaker 5 (40:59):
I was I was afraid that's a huge past age.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Yeah, no, of course. And I do think that, like
even things that are visually iconic, like even for us,
like I'm sure people would be shocked that we don't
know certain things about Michael Jackson, George Michael even well.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
I know plenty about both. I'm just but I think, yeah,
I'm like New Kids on the Block, I don't.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Know exactly about exactly.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
I know nothing about New Kids on the Block. Uh,
I know nothing about the generation of TV shows before
like Melrose Places.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Yeah, people loved reference Melrose Places, and I go okay,
I'll tell.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
You one thing. I barely know Gilmore Girls.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
Oh honey, I know gil Morals. That was our era,
Like that wasn't our era.

Speaker 4 (41:46):
I know because it was on the TV when I
came home from school, Yeah, before my parents got home,
you see.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Because they make maybe they turn that filth off of course.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Yeah, no, same.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
That's why I was with Tiara because it was on
for the exact hour that I was home before my
parents got and I was like, oh, yeah, I love
that Hillarya video.

Speaker 4 (42:04):
Wait, these are the two things I want to say.
One is about something related to the Spice Girls, and
one is going back to a quick sack to our
discussion of hierarchy.

Speaker 5 (42:11):
I remember something I was going to say, is that allowed?

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (42:14):
Thank you?

Speaker 1 (42:15):
That's a nonlinear okay. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (42:17):
Oh I love what you guys do with time.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Everyone does with the meta elements I get.

Speaker 5 (42:24):
Oh, I go, okay, do you guys know about Say Now,
Say Now?

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (42:32):
They're they're a British multicultural trio girl group.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Okay, and they're not sugababes.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
They're say Now Baby Okay. They they're completely fabulous. You
need to listen to their music and it's so exciting
to me to learn about the Spice Girls because I
love say now so much. I've been thinking what I gosh,
I wish there were more of this.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
You should check out Sugara Babe for Mothers and Sugar Babes.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Yes, Sugar Babes girls allowed, Little Mix waited, little Mixed.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
British yet little mix like could we be sorry? No?

Speaker 3 (43:09):
No, and you're right and thank you and thank you
for saying that, because at some point you have to
draw the line.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
We need to be called in something. Yes. Yeah, So.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
I have a question for you in terms of just wait,
there was a second thing.

Speaker 5 (43:21):
About the second thing, oh, hierarchy. Oh the thing I
wanted to bring up is did you guys know this?
I was going to attend medical school and I can't
quite tell, but I think part of that is that

(43:41):
the hierarchy was comforting to me, well, of course, and
to instead be an entertainment where hierarchies are yeah, free flowing,
changing often in ways that don't resonate with me. I
think it is stressful.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
I could not agree more. And I think we probably
grew up in I don't know that's similar, but in
the same realm of an environment.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Where we've had.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
It sounds like parents that cared about academic achievement and
competence and who's valedictorian and who's and who's not, And.

Speaker 5 (44:22):
It is the way they were hungry.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Yes, and it is.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Something that I think intellectually I can let go of
and be like, I know that's not how the world works,
but it's so deeply ingrained in me that literally every
time something happens that disturbs the hierarchy, I'm like, that's
not right.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
I mean, this is even there's something about hierarchy, this
thing where we talk about, like specifically the new gay guy,
where it's like, what is so concerning about the new
gay guy is that there was a hierarchy. And now
with the new gay guy, I'm like, okay, so am
I bumped down? Like so do they love him more?

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Oh? That's so funny. I almost feel because.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
He's new and so now I'm not I'm even less
new than I was.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
I feel like that there's something with the new gay
guy that actually is as much as it's disorienting, it
is comforting.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Sounds like from a South new gay guy.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
Yeah, I'm from pop on you gay guy, it's actually
comforting because you're like, oh good, I get to I
get to take climb one more notch. Not in the
sense that I am higher of higher value by any means,
because God knows, I'm not funny.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
The value just goes down. Value just goes.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
Down more so that I'm actually higher and can look
down and have more context. It's like when I'm physically
higher on the ladder, I just am able to like
relax more because I'm not so overwhelmed by what's happening
around because I'm higher and I'm looking down right, I
think so.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
To me, it's less ladder and more line where you are.
Like when you're in the back of the line, you're like,
this sucks. But when you're in the middle of the line,
there's people both in front of people behind you, You're like, okay,
now I'm just in line. This is so much more comforting.
And the line is how is the chronological order of
gay guys?

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Yes, exactly. And when you're in the middle of the line,
you're like, well, this line is pretty much a party,
Like we're all like chatting.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
I'm meeting you people.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
I don't have the daunting task of waiting in a
giant line. But I also don't have the anticipation of,
oh my god, we're about to enter. I'm just like
comfortably in the middle.

Speaker 5 (46:36):
Yeah, I think the line is all about who's in
line with you?

Speaker 1 (46:39):
So true? Oh my god?

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Should we do our for a segment?

Speaker 1 (46:44):
We should have? And of course, you know it's so
tough about la. It's like I was the new gay guy.
Oh my god, and like that was really hard to me.

Speaker 5 (46:54):
You are still the new gay who's surpassed you. You're
scared to say, No, let's you're gonna show me pictures?

Speaker 1 (47:03):
No, no, no, let's let's just do our first segment.
You guys than.

Speaker 5 (47:06):
Gosh, Oh my god, I'm seeing such sad.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
No, it's just like I was like a crash was coming.
You know, I've been so manic.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
You think a crash is happening now?

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Yeah, I think it's happening on it. No, I'm kidding. Okay,
this will be good, this will be to clip.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
What do you think it is?

Speaker 1 (47:26):
No, it's fine, Let's do our first segment. Okay, it's
the Falafel.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Joe, our first segment.

Speaker 5 (47:33):
That you're upset. I'm like finally can relate to you.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
The ideation is coming.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
The ideation God, I love that, Joe.

Speaker 5 (47:44):
If you want oh, that's the same song, if you
want to.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Be okay, Yeah, yes, what other song? What's heisty? Yeah?
Hold tight?

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Yeah? Having a good.

Speaker 5 (48:04):
Sounds great?

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Yeah, and the man.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Then there's then there's there's two become one.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
To become one.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
You're gonna love it.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Yeah, they're really good.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
You're really gonna have fun.

Speaker 5 (48:27):
Are they still out and about?

Speaker 1 (48:29):
They pop in the theunions every now and they are
probably fifty.

Speaker 5 (48:35):
Oh, come on, come on, they can still do They dance, They.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Ride around in little cars sometimes.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
I think you want specific performance from the Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
So first Ginger Spice left the group, and then there
were four of them and they released one And this
was like in like two thousand and one. They were
there were four of them, and they released one more
album just the four of them. Then they broke up completely.
Then they united all five of them, and I want
to see like two thousand and eight and why did.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Wasn't there a lesbian thing?

Speaker 3 (49:08):
There were rumors that there was a lesbian thing. Ginger
Space now is dating some sort of like race car
driver and has like rebranded as kind of no like
straight male race car driver, and she has rebranded as
kind of like conservative sports wife, like buttoned lacoste dress
up to hear, you know, like perfectly done hair on

(49:31):
the sidelines, being like I'm rooting from my man kind
of thing and potentially even politically conservative, although I don't
I haven't done my research there, of course. Victoria Beckham
married David.

Speaker 5 (49:42):
Beckham, card the shop at lacost.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Yeah, Victoria Beca married David Beckham. Hushsh space.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Does David Beckham ring a bell as a name?

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Yes, it took like that I was disrespectful.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
No it was.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
No, you're curious in some fear.

Speaker 5 (50:03):
I believe I know who that is.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Yes, let's wear a first segment.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Okay, let's do our first segment.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Okay. First thing is called straight Shooters, and in this one,
we're going to ask you a series of rapifire questions.
It's basically this thing or this other thing, and the
only rule is you can't ask any follow questions or we.

Speaker 5 (50:21):
Will scream at you can't get me.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Okay, let's begin. Madison Square Garden or Marcia gay Harden.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Madison Square Garden, Diet Mountain Dew or the Taming of
the shrew shrew.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
A musical prodigy or a beautiful pair.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Of feet, musical prodigy icons only or my phone's lonely?

Speaker 1 (50:47):
What check republic or check the mug bitch?

Speaker 5 (50:53):
Oh? Can they tie?

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Sure?

Speaker 5 (50:57):
Oh but I got to you.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Oh so it's a tie.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Yeah, this one's gonna well, I'm allowed to ask a
question Susan Lucci, Stanley Tucci, Armando via Nucci or Dakota
Johnson's stuns and Gucci.

Speaker 5 (51:13):
Oh, Stanley Tucci, because I'm proud I know who that is.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Okay, going on, do not disturb or being on to
catch a predator?

Speaker 5 (51:29):
I'm going on, do not disturb?

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Stars and stripes or chasing likes?

Speaker 5 (51:35):
Chasing likes?

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (51:40):
What's more bad? The stars and stripes or the culture
of chasing likes? And it's sort of like, can you
have one out the other? Can you have one without
the other?

Speaker 1 (51:52):
Fuck?

Speaker 3 (51:54):
We rate our guests performance on a scale of zero
to one thousand doves.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
And that's that.

Speaker 5 (52:00):
Because anyone ever caught zero dogs?

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Mmm, I don't think anyone has gotten zero.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
I'm sure we've tried me with Max or something.

Speaker 5 (52:07):
Oh yeah, he's like my favorite.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
Well we were with him yesterday and we were talking
about you. I'm kidding, would you have would you have
preferred if we were talking about you?

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Or would that have scared you?

Speaker 5 (52:24):
Oh? Both? But I would have preferred it.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Yeah, well I think you got nine hundred nine yay doves.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
I agree? What it's crazy?

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Actually, I think there was just a calm annoying. I
think you were tastefully dominating.

Speaker 5 (52:40):
Can I take my shoes off? Is that crazy?

Speaker 1 (52:42):
No?

Speaker 2 (52:42):
I love that side saddle. Oh now okay, this is
called her daddy?

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Now?

Speaker 5 (52:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yeah, see how much I don't? Now that's crazy and
I know Spice Girls, but to no Alex Cooper.

Speaker 5 (52:57):
Okay, so I didn't know her, yes, isn't well?

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Like if you were like who hosts called her your daddy,
I'd be like, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
I do think it's I do think it's indicative of
mental illness that I know.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
No, it's not your fault. It's a systemic issue. It's
like in our world we should all know the name
of like the first woman doctor, but instead we know
the name of Alex Cooper. Really, and that's not our fault.
But also is it how much do we have free will?
How much are we supposed to fight against the system
that produces us. I don't know, dang, what is your

(53:31):
topic and what's straight about it?

Speaker 5 (53:33):
Oh? My topic is going home?

Speaker 3 (53:37):
Yeah, which I love. Thank you, and say a little
more like what do you mean when you mean when
you say going home?

Speaker 1 (53:43):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (53:44):
Okay, I see, I see, I see.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
We're all hanging out. Night has fallen, things are winding down.
I think the straightest thing you can do, pat your thought, guy,
pat your back pocket, reach for your bag.

Speaker 5 (54:04):
Well, I'll be going now where are you going?

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (54:09):
But also are you call me? Pat your thighs?

Speaker 3 (54:13):
Pat your back pocket is so evocative because it is
it's like this constant checking of like am I put together?
God forbid? Anything is out of place? Like I have
to be one unit at all times. I have to be.
I can't risk, you know, being away from my phone,
wallet and keys, and I need to Already I was

(54:35):
pushing it because I was out of my house. Thank god,
I get to go back.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
But you know what else it is, it's essentially before
you do it years tapping the glass, you're essentially saying
like I'm about to make a statement, I'm going to
go home. M hmm, Like you're like, oh, I gotta
go home.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
Yeah, it's also your t You're like, am I still human?
Do I still count in the census?

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Oh? Thank god.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
I was worried that I had spent too much time
with my community and potentially had become, you know, one
of a mass of people, like a potentially create change,
one of the worst things that I could possibly do.
Thank God, I'm still an individual and can go home
and sit on a couch by myself.

Speaker 5 (55:07):
I hate when people go home so much.

Speaker 4 (55:09):
There's like a point of a hang that if I
feel it winding down, I don't I don't want to
move a muscle because there's a point of a hang
where it's like, I don't know, It's like it's it's
it's two forty six am. If someone gets up to pee,
by the time you come back from the bathroom, everyone's gone.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (55:30):
So there's a certain point where it's like we're all.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Just kidding, none listening.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Joe is holding a gun, Joe's mining holding a gun,
which I do understand what you're saying. It's like you
feel everyone getting antsy and you're like, I'm not ready
for this one.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Just relax, Yeah, Stacy I'll fucking put on a music video. Oh,
I'll put on a music video.

Speaker 5 (55:50):
Say your favorite YouTube video? Now, thank you?

Speaker 3 (55:55):
Okay, I have a little theory about this.

Speaker 5 (55:58):
Okay, thank you.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
People.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
The default is house and the exception is out boo.
For gay people, the default is out, the exception is house.
It's like a gay person goes, a gay person is
alone in the house, They're like, oh god, this doesn't
feel right, Like what's going on? Like, what's everyone? What's
what's everyone doing? Let me text the group chat, let
me see what events? Oh did I miss a party?

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Fle invite? Surely I must have because it's Friday at
eight thirty and I am not on my way to something.

Speaker 5 (56:25):
Hello.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
Whereas the straight thing, my favorite classics are like cliche
thing is when a straight person will be like like
almost pretend they don't know what going out is like,
and they'll be like, I haven't been out past I
haven't been out past to eight and in sixteen years.
I'm like, I don't even know where people eat at restaurants.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
I don't I don't know what that is.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
It's like and it's a very kind of and I
do not want to stigmatize new moms because it's a
new it's definitely like.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
Well, it's definitely a kids.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
It's like a i'll stigmatize. I think it's it's valid.

Speaker 5 (57:01):
We need a change.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
It's valid for new moms because I understand that if
you're a new mom, you're not going out to the club.
But then there are people that are not new moms
that are using that language as though they're new moms.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Oh my god, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Oh my god. It's like how people are using therapy
language to talk about just like things that aren't therapy.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
If you're saying, oh god, nine thirty is late for
us these days, that's okay if you're a new mom
and I and I'm literally like, yes, do you need me?
I will pay for your uber Do you need me
to babysit if you want to maybe go to a restaurant.
But if you're just thirty five and don't have kids
and have a normal job, you should be ashamed of not.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Going nine thirty.

Speaker 4 (57:40):
I have a couple thoughts on the new mom yeah issue,
So just you know, just to stay right off the
bat like new moms like, I love them, I respect
them deeply, deeply. What is the deadline or when you
stop being new. Yeah, when you stop being a new mom.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
This is interesting, I would almost say. I mean, there's
also sorry, go ahead, there's something about like I think
you're a new mom until they're in school.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
There's also a sort of necessary class analysis here, which
is like, yeah, if you have money for constant childcare
at any given point, you can go back.

Speaker 5 (58:15):
To go and give me money for nanny. Do you
even count as a mom?

Speaker 7 (58:18):
Just kidding, just kidd jk everybody, But I do agree
with you that it's like you are still a new
mom when the kid is sixteen, because each time the
kid ages, you are a new mom of It's like, well,
I'm a new mom of an eleven.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
Year old when I was a new mom of a
ten and a half year old.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Like that is a completely parent.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
It's like, there's no, I'm sorry, you're telling me parenting
an infant is going to prepare you for parenting a teen.
How name one similarity? Really smart, really name one similarity.
That's like saying, oh, yeah, I took a bike ride,
so now I'm going to go skydiving.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Are you listening to yourself?

Speaker 4 (58:58):
It's funny, Yeah, yeah, it's really good. Wait, but the
thing about being a new mom to an infant, doesn't
the infant, Like I feel like infants don't know about
day and about night.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Yes, they can barely see.

Speaker 5 (59:12):
So I'm like, I like, take the baby to the
club with you a bit, or if to go home early,
like it's.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
It's, oh, okay, this is interesting.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
If your kid needs to like wake up and go
to school. I almost understand that you're saying.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
You're saying that moms should party more before preschool. I think,
so I like take advantage of the sort of.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Time makes sense.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. So obviously the thing
there not to take what you're saying too literally. The
thing there is that babies are going to be crying.
You're going to be disturbing the peace. If you're like
at a restaurant or in the club and you have
a crying baby with you, Oh.

Speaker 5 (59:51):
Well, that's why we need the village. Baby.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
I'm not even so much thinking about being at the
like in my mind the going home issue, I'm thinking,
we're we're all at home together, and I don't want
people to go to their individual homes.

Speaker 5 (01:00:08):
But I love being at the club.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Let's go oh, it's not about home.

Speaker 8 (01:00:10):
This is like about a yeah, yeah, like your brunch yesterday,
which was very like we ate and then we sat
around for three hours and then we.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Took a walk.

Speaker 5 (01:00:22):
Oh gosh, that seemed distorted.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Okay, so this is actually I understand. Yes, it's not
about clubing, it's not about going to restaurants. It's about
being with other people.

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
And you know what, I think, it's also like, yes,
it's about age, because I think that being younger is
generally a bit more homosexual to me, of course, and
I think maybe like at the what's even deeper into

(01:00:52):
my issue with people going home is as as I
see my friends getting older and straight or there naturally
is an urge to like, yeah, have a lifestyle that
is just a little bit more about like having your
own home, having your own couple, having your own family unit.
And I am mourning that in real time. I really

(01:01:16):
liked Gosh, I hate to say it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:17):
I liked when it was like college, when anywhere to
go because together in college.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
But it is, yes, in college, there is no such
thing as going home.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
It's it's I mean, I miss college like like a
loser missus. High school. I loved college so much.

Speaker 5 (01:01:35):
Oh my gosh, get some cowboy chords over that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
I but like, I think there's something you guys, because
it's the only thing it needs to be said. There's
something about there's something about when you start to have privacy,
you start to become addicted to privacy, and you can
almost like want privacy more, more and more, and the

(01:02:00):
more you get, the more you want it. And you're like, Okay,
now I'm alone this much, and I want to be
alone more, and now I want to be a little more.
And then when you're out, you're like, I'm panicking, like
I haven't been out to sea in a while. Whereas
when you're so used to being out and you're so
used to not having privacy, you're like, well, not having
privacy for the next five hours, it's actually really easy,
and I'm used to.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
I mean, it's like when you stop having roommates, it's
so difficult to have to go back to it for
some reason. If you have to then go back to
having roommates, it's like impossible, and even for some people
it's impossible to even just like live with a partner
because you're like, well, I'm used to this level of privacy.
But I do think the younger versus older thing is
interesting because as you get older, the home just becomes

(01:02:40):
more solidified.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Whether it's because you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Literally have more money to pay for a nicer home
with nicer furniture and it's more comfortable, or because you
are you start being less comfortable doing other things while
people are watching, Like just the need for privacy, and
so I almost think it's like a muscle that you
have to exercise. You have to like force yourself to

(01:03:06):
be out of the home and to be outside otherwise
suddenly you wake up and you're like, I haven't done
anything in five years.

Speaker 5 (01:03:14):
This is so.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
I say, your thing yesterday the brunch where we did
hang out like aimlessly for like hours, that was like,
I haven't done this in genuinely many years. It's like
always like I'm over for a dinner and then you
like when the dinner does its thing, then you leave,
or like like I've never I haven't hung out in
someone's home indefinitely in a very long time.

Speaker 5 (01:03:39):
Yes, to me, that's the that's the path to love.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
Yes, And I agree, And even this is so insane,
maybe cut this, oh, but I'm like so like there's
one point it was morning sort of and like there's
one point when like guest number one, I won't docs
went to the bathroom for an extended period of time.
Are possibilities and I'm saying like I'm saying, Okay, this

(01:04:03):
diva is duking in George's house.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Someone did poop.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
And then guess what. I was like, that's amazing, Like
if someone is so comfortable being here, he's duking without shame.
And then guess what I duked too, Ah, because I
said I actually need to too. And and there's we're family.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
And that's a perfect example of something that like with
a straight mindset, you're like, well, I'm only going to
poop my own home.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
But here I was like why why.

Speaker 5 (01:04:30):
I think wouldn't even release.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
It wouldn't really physically it would be impossible, but we
were we were family, and I said, well, family can
can do.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
I also want to talk about your idea of like
people slowly realizing people are people are leaving, and I
think there's a fear that time outside the home is
time wasted, and as the hours past, you're like, oh god,

(01:05:01):
we're pushing it. We're pushing it, We're pushing it. I'm
doing something wrong, like I have homework at home, and
it's like, well, actually, realistically, you're going to go home
and also not be quote unquote productive. It's not like
you're going to go home and write a novel.

Speaker 5 (01:05:19):
Well that's really the thing where because people there are,
in my opinion, excuses to go home where people will
be like I have yoga in the morning. I have.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:05:35):
First of all, not okay, so no one made you
sign up for that, so unsign up? Yes, oh I
oh I have, I have, I have other plans tomorrow
like oh I got I gotta be going. But I'm
just like, you can't tell the yoga like this is life.

Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
Like there's like it's like the yoga or whatever productive
thing is being held in higher esteem. Yes, and the
aimliss hanging out time And I'm like, no, sit the
hell down, Yes, this is the project.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
And the future is being privileged over the present more
like I'm actually currently enjoying myself without planning.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
For the future. That must be bad.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
What I should be doing is opening an IRA. It's like, no, don't,
I will be there.

Speaker 4 (01:06:23):
The caveat They need to say this is that the
amount of strife and pain that I caused to my
friend group is.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
Like unbelievable because you force them to stay out later
than they want to.

Speaker 5 (01:06:35):
Well, that's part of that's a that's a minor part
of it. But I'm saying, like, even when we are
all hanging out, I'm not making it easy for people.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Like you're being like difficult. Yeah, Like how so.

Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
Like I'm like going in another room and crying because
I will just kind of decide that everyone doesn't like me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Really that's fun. But this is I actually think.

Speaker 7 (01:07:00):
Sorry, I'm like, oh, why do people want to leave?

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
But I like that?

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
But that actually goes along with your with your more
broad theory that like everything should be done communally, Like yeah,
why not cry in front of other people instead of
going all the way home to have privacy and be
even more sad because you're not around your loved ones.

Speaker 4 (01:07:19):
Really, and I think that's why New York is one
of the only places I can live and not kill
myself yacause yes, I upset all the time, but with
my people.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
And by the way, crying is the same as pooping.
Why are those things? So these are two vulnerable things
everyone does, and yet God forbid you do them.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
The room.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
You know, in the next room is your loved ones. Yeah,
why what's the worst that could happen?

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
One of my favorite like party memories was it was
that in my bushy place and it was like I think,
like a birthday party or something, and Moe shout out
took me into my room and like read Tarot for me,
and I just like started bawling, like like being so crazy.
And then I was like like twenty minutes of that
and I was like, Okay, let's go back out, and

(01:08:07):
I was like that was so fun, Like what a journey.

Speaker 5 (01:08:10):
Oh wait, Sam, Yeah, congrats on getting absolutely married.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Thank you?

Speaker 5 (01:08:15):
How well, how I'm sure you told everyone already how
was your wedding? But I guess I'm curious what was
the end of the wedding? Like when did people go home?

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
And well, that's an interesting question. So this is interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
I so we I will say this the beginning, everything
was successful. Yes, the wedding was to die for. It
was really fun. But we the bar we went to
for like an after drink I didn't love and so
I like, but but to be fair, I kind of
left it all on the table or on the field.

(01:08:51):
Sports metaphor and so I was like not really looking
to like, I was like kind of exhausted, and so
I was like I had like one drink at the
after place, maybe two, and then was like, Okay, I'm
gonna go. And it kind of felt like a nice
excuse to be like I gotta get out of here.
But it had been you know, we'd been hanging out
since like four thirty PM, and it was.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
Like the idea of a wedding after party is interesting
because you would think everyone would like, quote unquote finally
let loose. But the thing about weddings is that they
last a really long time. You sort of forget every
time you go to one, like it is really.

Speaker 5 (01:09:26):
Really I'm so jealous and sad.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
No like knowledge.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
Friends, it's gonna start happening and then it'll never stop.
It's like, so I actually enjoy this time, save up
some money, you know, really invest in that ira okay,
and because I would say in approximately four or five years,
it's really gonna it's really gonna start and it's never
gonna end because there's not even a lull. Because basically

(01:09:54):
it's straight weddings, then gay weddings, then all tho straight
people get divorced, and then it's second weddings.

Speaker 5 (01:09:59):
Oh wow, can I say something? I won't attend unless
I approve.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Oh what, unless you're reading, I.

Speaker 5 (01:10:06):
Won't attend unless I approve of the union.

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
I love that it will see if I do have that.
But that might limit No, that might be my budgeting hack.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
But I think you're pointing to something which is like,
at some point people do have to go home, Like, yeah, inevitably,
So what is the ethical way to go home?

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
In your dream world? How does a hang end?

Speaker 5 (01:10:37):
It's a great question. My dream world, sleepover.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Breakfast.

Speaker 5 (01:10:46):
We go to sleep at about six thirty am.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Yeah, no, that sounds fun.

Speaker 5 (01:10:54):
We wake up about noon one pm, have brunch, breakfast, lunch.
Maybe we've left the house. Maybe the brunch was in
the house. Then it's group reading.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
Time, each person individually reading, not like reading circle.

Speaker 5 (01:11:13):
Oh yeah, probably each because you know, I'm respecting in
the morning people they want to do their own you know,
just we and then slowly if you have a dinner plan.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
Sure, okay, this is interesting. So okay you allow them
to leave for dinner. No, no, But but I like
what you're saying. It's like you allow them to leave
for a thing, not to prepare for it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
And then the moment you are done, you better get
your ass back here. Yeah, because we're watching music videos.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
So it ends when you have the next thing. It
doesn't end when you want to like prepare for yoga
or go home to brush your teeth. Like you're like
club club, club, club club.

Speaker 5 (01:11:54):
I'll allow you to prepare for the next thing for
like just like I really do want every hang to
go well into tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
I really I see that. I struggle with them. I
found myself recently being like having people over and I
mean like gets to that point and you're sort of
like I because you want to go to sleep, but
even like so sleep.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
And honestly, yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
Yeah, that is so funny.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
I have a friend, I have this couple that always
hosts these dinners, and one of them is known for
going to bed when she's ready and when people are
still there, and it's just like no, that's and it's
a it's like a it's a thing, and everyone knows it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
And it's like at some point you no longer partner
to help.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
Yes, at some point you no longer see her, but
her wife is still there and everyone's still like around
and having a good time.

Speaker 5 (01:12:57):
Oh and see it's her and a wife.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
Yeah noticed that, right? Who so do you it's they're doing?
They were doing the gay thing. But I guess my
question is I guess here's what I haven't considered. Okay,
if both wives wanted to go to sleep, would that
be awkward? Like they're both going to sleep.

Speaker 5 (01:13:19):
I'll climb into bed with them. I just don't see
any issue at all.

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
Yeah, you're like everyone can can see themselves out when
they're ready.

Speaker 5 (01:13:29):
I think if you're hosting and you want to go
to sleep, like grow up, just hand me the keys
in case I wanted to run, and I'll be here. Yeah,
like many months ago. I hope it's long ago that
this person has forgotten. And I think I can tell
it anonymously enough that you know, if you hear this
and you think it's about you, then she fits wear it.

(01:13:52):
I was hanging out with someone and we hung out
until I mean, just a very plain story. I hung
up with my friend until about twelve thirty, and they
were like, Okay, I'm tired. I think you should go now.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:14:05):
I don't look at that person the same way I forgot.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
This is like, no, I love this you, I don't
hate it going home like you don't want to be home.

Speaker 5 (01:14:18):
I want to hold it over their head. But that
hurt me.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Yeah, you know what I wish.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
Sometimes I do wish someone will be like can I
stay here? Like I think where I get confused, it's
the wanting them to leave is sort of like waiting
for the other shoe to drop, where I'm like, if
you're gonna break up with meing, just break up with
me right Like I'm kind of like like if they
were like I want to stay the night, Like I
want to sleep on the couch and be like, oh great,
let's have another drink and hang out.

Speaker 5 (01:14:43):
Well, with some of my friends, we do have a
sort of pattern or policy of decide, oh, because you
know what, you do this with people you're dating, where
you'll kind of negotiate ahead of time is tonight a
sleepover or not? I bring that into the platonic.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
Really I do.

Speaker 5 (01:15:03):
I have friends who I say, are we having a sleepover.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
I do believe that bed space should just generally be
easier to come by, like I think every I think
there should be a way for it to be non intrusive,
But like every living room basically just has Murphy beds
around all the water and at any given time, you
should be able to sleep six people in your apartment.

Speaker 5 (01:15:28):
I love it. Why are people so particular about their
own beds?

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
Well, this is an interesting Oh, this is.

Speaker 5 (01:15:36):
An age thing. Huh.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
This is like, I'm really like, I'm funnywhere.

Speaker 7 (01:15:44):
You have no idea what your body is going to do,
like like it's going to happen out of nowhere, and
you're gonna you're gonna think it's a mistake.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
You're gonna be like, oh sorry, restart restarting.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
Literally, this is not mean impacts because it hurts.

Speaker 5 (01:15:59):
Your back and here'sh.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
Like and I'm really not trying to be that person.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
No, it's a weak. Yeah, I like it's tough.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
Because I I have no one, no one who's believed
that their body would have betrayed.

Speaker 5 (01:16:12):
Them more than the like your back, Like the back
pain is more important to you than your friendship.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
I just don't think you understand.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Yeah, there's no way to theoretically understand this.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
You have to live it. It's sort of like being
a new mother.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
Yeah, although I think I sort.

Speaker 5 (01:16:27):
Of get, but I feel such mental anguish in every
moment of my life period.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:16:36):
Oh so that's the end of my sentence. I'll see
when I get there. Yeah, sure, it'll be like tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
Can I ask, like, can I ask how old you are?

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
Seen?

Speaker 5 (01:16:49):
You don't know?

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
You have a really amazing year ahead of you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
Seventeen was my favorite year, seriously really yeah, and I
would know it was only three years ago.

Speaker 5 (01:16:58):
Seventeen was mighty pain for me.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
Seventeen was bad for me too. I have to say,
can you.

Speaker 5 (01:17:04):
Please give me advice? I'm twenty four, and it's really.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
What advice do you want?

Speaker 5 (01:17:08):
How do I feel better?

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
How do you feel better?

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
You know? What I think is like, just keep gunning
into your career, Like I think, fill that with success.
And I've noticed that the people vice is be successful. No,
I'm kidding. I just feel like a lot of people
do that. People are like, I know, I'll get more
famous and then they are thirty six and famous and

(01:17:33):
so wild to be.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
I mean, I think you are investing in your relationships clearly,
which is the number one thing existing in community, and
that helps a lot. I would say, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
You know, step outside of yourself, step outside of yourself,
care about people.

Speaker 5 (01:17:56):
Okay, can I ask you maybe a question?

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:17:58):
Can we be problems solved?

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:18:00):
Something. I want to have a creative career. I've been
begging for it for so long. I'm noticing I'm already
struggling with the feeling of having eyes on me. Yea,
even people are pretty much really nice to me. Even

(01:18:21):
when people are positive and patient and caring, it's kind
of stressful.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
Well, the tough thing with that is that's a sign
that you're normal and not a psychopath. Because if you thought,
I if that was happening to you and you were thinking, okay, good,
now I feel good, that means you're literally a sociopath.

Speaker 5 (01:18:45):
And I still think I might be.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
But a different But it's a different it's a different sens.

Speaker 5 (01:18:56):
Yeah, okay, it's just part of it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
It's also a normal It's very normal, and you'll like
figure out how to deal with it in a different way.

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
It's also just like any job has things that are
non ideal and stressful, and if you were a doctor,
it would be that you would have to be like
sleep deprived all the time and have to leave your
family vacation because your pager went off to surgery and
for the career you've chosen. It's that occasionally it feels
bad to have people got at you, or to say

(01:19:25):
something inappropriate to you, or or to be over familiar,
or to lie to you, or to like fundamentally misunderstand you,
and then you feel this need to correct the misunderstanding.
But you have to have the inner peace to not
do it, and that takes work to build that muscle

(01:19:47):
so you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
Right back.

Speaker 5 (01:19:50):
That actually has helped, But.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
I think it's hardest when it is first happening because
you don't have the tools to deal with it. But
then in an ideal world, it'll keep happening slowly and
not all at once, which I do think can be
like a.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
A trauma. And I have not experienced that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
I had not experienced that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
Which I legitimately am grateful for, because it seems like
it would be horrible.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
It seems hard.

Speaker 5 (01:20:21):
Well, I look up to you guys because you were
some of my favorite comedians and favorite artists, and you're
very Oh you discussed this all the time on the podcast.
I can even name the episodes, but you're quite well
adjusted about it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
Well, thank you. That's very sweet.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
It's very sweet.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
Should we do our very tired of talking to me. No, no,
see now we're in a trap. Why because we thing
we've Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
My god, wait wait can I say something?

Speaker 5 (01:20:49):
Actually, my god, what I've created? I mean, do you
see how it's bullying me?

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
Was tough?

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
Like what we just have to like I don't know
how long? Like the studio is even a veil, Like
we're literally like past our time.

Speaker 5 (01:21:05):
How are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
Yeah, I have.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
One final thing to say about going home. Oh yeah,
here's something that is teacher's pet.

Speaker 5 (01:21:17):
And I think I do well.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
Interesting, So Joe is the teacher's teacher in this are
the third is always the teacher.

Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
Interesting, It would be amazing if we were. If you
there were students they went into a class and the
teacher was like, I've looked up to you guys for
a while, and I just think you guys have handled
it all really well, and I think you're really well
adjusted to the second grade students.

Speaker 5 (01:21:39):
That's funny, that's funny. You know I am. I do
teach adult students. You do, I teach stand up and
public speaking?

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
Oh my god.

Speaker 5 (01:21:47):
My students are all like consultants.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
Oh yeah, oh god, they probably think you're so cool
and they're right by.

Speaker 5 (01:21:51):
The way, some of them, and some of them definitely
are like confused.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
MM, we'll let them. Probably you have any other questions
you want to ask us? Yeah, no, that really like
patted our egos in a crazy way, like completely so many.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
But what I wanted to say about parties is, here's
something that is.

Speaker 5 (01:22:19):
Oh and then I and then I actually really a
very real question.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
Okayat here's something that is chilling. Get ready, I'm scared.
You're at a a get together.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
There's someone who has been threatening to come all night,
but they were held up somewhere maybe you know, like
they were at another event whatever. Oh, they text, Okay,
I could come.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
Now. How long are you guys going to be?

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
This is so complex? What do you do? This is
so complex because there is a flow to a gathering,
and if they are coming in at like you're at
peak and they're at valley, that's gonna clash.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
But also you don't know a gathering might have.

Speaker 5 (01:23:02):
Come and can people to leave even.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
Totally because the door's open, They're like, fuck, I can
go out.

Speaker 5 (01:23:08):
Isn't it funny?

Speaker 4 (01:23:09):
Like how simple minded we can be that it is
just like literally the opening of the door.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
People are like the door open. That reminds me, Yeah,
I mightn't know.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
Oh my god, there's outside. This entire time there has
been outside, that's been an option.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
Well there's also part of you where you're like, oh,
I'm being replaced, like like now they won't miss me
because I'm leaving. Someone else is coming.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:27):
Or then it's like, well it's not you're gathering, so
you want to ask like, oh, Sam is texting?

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
Are we going to be here for a while.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
But then the fact that you're putting them into people's
heads makes everyone look at their watch be like you know, honestly.

Speaker 4 (01:23:39):
It is actually set up my house. So it's like
you come in, you have to turn in your watch,
no clocks on the walls, and I like scramble your phone.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
When my apartment in Bushwick had no windows in the
living room, so it literally was like you would hang
out till like five am and everyone like wouldn't notice. Yeah,
And I was like it felt like a torture chamber kind.

Speaker 5 (01:23:59):
Of I've lived in a dungeon like apartment.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
What was your question?

Speaker 4 (01:24:04):
Oh, look, we could discuss it on air, We could
discuss it off air, but you guys have a relationship
where you started as more so business partners than friends,
and I assume you would say that now your beautiful
betrothed friends. Is there a way Okay, I'm asking from

(01:24:28):
the perspective of Tessa and I want to be you
and want to make a podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
Oh my god? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:24:36):
Is there a way that you make sure that happens.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
That you remain friends or like closer?

Speaker 5 (01:24:44):
Yeah, or like are there?

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:24:47):
Are there strategies to maintaining friendship while being business partners?
Because I think we've come up even against some minor
frictions of that kind of relationship and we've been able
to work through them. Cannot even stronger and think, but
I want to make sure that happens if I can.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
How do we maintain a healthy balance between business partnership
and friendship?

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
I think we know the difference. Yes, Like we don't mix.
Like we're like we need to meet to talk about
this stuff, and then it's like and now we need
to go to dinner.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
And those are different things. Those are different things. That's true.

Speaker 3 (01:25:26):
We have business meetings and then we also have a brunch.
Oh cool, And we also have dinner and we also
have a gossip session.

Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
I think we also just like I don't know, pay
it like try to assume the best in both of
us and sort of like I think we both are
like just seeing where it goes, like the friendship thing.
We're sort of like because we have different wants and
interests sometimes but sort of like but sometimes I'll come

(01:25:59):
to your type of thing, right, my type of thing,
but not all the time. If we're not free.

Speaker 3 (01:26:02):
Then yeah, yeah, I do think that's I do think
that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
But I also would say that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
You do have to.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
Lead with love.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
Yeah, I do find like, yes, we separate business and friendship,
but like everything i'm saying to Sam, I'm saying with
love and everything i'm feeling towards him, I'm feeling in
that way, and.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
I think it strengthens both relationships.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
I agree there's a familial commitment.

Speaker 3 (01:26:43):
I think that is ultimately what it is. It's it
actually does feel like the way that like two brothers
would start a restaurant. Yeah, although of course it's like
when two brothers start a restaurant, they're gonna they're doing.

Speaker 5 (01:26:55):
Yeah, folks, that were when two brothers start a restaurant
and they don't, I iodebris.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
No that's crazy. Imagine that's not hiring.

Speaker 5 (01:27:04):
See how long this last?

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
Yeah? Yeah for real?

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
Yeah, And honestly, seems pretty dramatic, even with iodebris.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
Yeah, holding on by a thread.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
Yeah, it's like people are yelling all the time. There's tension,
mental health issues, mental health issues.

Speaker 5 (01:27:17):
I couldn't imagine.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
I couldn't imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
Okay, we should do our finals.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
A final segment. So our final segment is called shout Outs.
In in segment, we pay amash to the Grand Street
tradition of the radio shout out, shouting out to anything
that we are enjoying. People play these things ideas, we
make them up on the spot and we go first.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
I'll go first.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
What's up preaks, losers and perverts around the globe. I
want to give a huge shout out to get this
shaving in the shower. I've never done this before, and
as I'm staying in the Pod hotel, it's quite small,
which I of course love efficiency, and but I was like,
I need to shave. It's been so long, and I like,
don't know, the sink is not quite right, and I

(01:27:57):
was like, maybe I'll try doing it in the shower.
Let me. I felt like I was in a damn commercial.
I felt luxurious. As we all know, shaving has many
cultural implications for me, and it is sort of pretending
I'm a masculine dad, and it's like a psycho sexual
game I play with myself doing in the shower. That
was crazy and it worked like a charm. It was easy,

(01:28:19):
Oh my gosh, and I felt like this is how
I should be doing it. Although it does feel like
I don't know what the rules are on wasting water,
but I felt like I was wasting quite a bit
of it, and I'm never sure. I wish one would
tell me when I reached the point when you've actually
had enough water for the day, especially shower water, because
there's no It's all very vague at this stage. But

(01:28:41):
I'm in New York and there's water out planning. Just
look outside, there's two rivers and an ocean. So shout
out to shaving the shower. I love you, XIXO Sam.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
Okay, I actually have one.

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
I want to give a shout out to get this
two thousand and nine collection of Zadie Smith essays Changing
my Mind.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
This is a book I.

Speaker 3 (01:29:01):
Attempted to read when I was in high school. And
I actually found some of the literary criticism to be
challenging at the time, and I picked it back up
and I am It's like, every single page is blowing
my mind. It is so fun to read. She's so smart.
She was younger than me when she wrote it. And
I want to say about Daty Smith, I'm aware that

(01:29:22):
she has fallen out of favor among certain a certain
kind of you know, cool urban twenty to thirty year old.
I think people think she has in some ways sold out.
I think people find her whole kind of like anti internet,
anti culture, cancel culture thing to be somehow grading. Listen,
I'm okay with people's reputations going up and down. But

(01:29:45):
to me, I trust her and I'm going to read
what she writes. And she is especially good at nonfiction
in my opinion, and this book is really doing it
for me. And maybe the issue is that if she
was written before the Internet and before she had before
the social internet, before she had to grapple with those things.
But I am just having the time of my life

(01:30:05):
and I highly recommend picking it up and honestly picking
up anything written in two thousand nine.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
It was an amazing time, so huge shoutout.

Speaker 1 (01:30:11):
WHOA, that's interesting. It's funny that someone is both anti
internet culture and anti cancel whole.

Speaker 3 (01:30:18):
It's not I'm even I'm painting in broad strokes because
that's how other people are commenting on it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:30:23):
I don't necessarily think either of those things are really true.
I just think, you know, it's like she's getting older
like everyone else, and so she's gonna like say things
that young people are rolling their eyes at.

Speaker 1 (01:30:33):
Right. It's like Joe not knowing the Spice Girls. It's
like not really true.

Speaker 5 (01:30:36):
Yeah, that one would not have been truer.

Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
I'm even regretting being like defensive. It's like, no, I
like her writing, and I don't care if someone on
the internet was like she sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:30:48):
No totally. It's really nice to zoom out from those
yeah blanket critiques.

Speaker 3 (01:30:52):
I just you do find someone falling out it, like
she was the cool writer for so long and then
you just like, don't hear people loving her as much?

Speaker 5 (01:31:01):
It doesn't matter what and what what what? What's the listeners?
I want to give a shout out to my auntie Brenonia,
because yes, what she is a sweetie, pat she is
a woman pastor. She is a woman who is a pastor,
but she is also just so smart and so wonderful.
And I thought because she was a woman pastor, that
her mind was was was was was was was.

Speaker 3 (01:31:26):
Oh, I can tell what's happening, which is like, I
always struggle with talking about family members in a different context.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
When you're like, well, I don't want to make.

Speaker 3 (01:31:39):
This person into a caricature for the sake of comedy,
and I am trying to express love.

Speaker 5 (01:31:44):
Thank you for saying that. Thank you for saying that
we all do accessories.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
Okay, you can also just be like, shout out to
my auntie cure.

Speaker 5 (01:31:53):
That it doesn't have to be a whole thing.

Speaker 1 (01:31:55):
I mean, you could even do accessories and then at
the end and also shout out to et cetera.

Speaker 5 (01:32:02):
Okay, okay, what's up, listeners. Gosh, I'm excited to be here.
I'm giving a shout out to accessories because they could
just completely turn a dark day into a better day.
I recently said I wanted to be cyberpunk. I went
out pictures, I looked of all all kinds of outfits.
The way that you change your styles, it's not even
really about the shape of the shirt, the shape of

(01:32:22):
the pant, the shape of the skirt, the length the hems. Really,
it's about the accessories. You could have white T shirt
and blue jeans and dress in any kind of freaking
style that you want it. It's just about the accessories.

Speaker 2 (01:32:33):
Babe be, babe be.

Speaker 5 (01:32:35):
If you just get on a newsboy cap like they
wear not musical newsies, boom, you got a whole different thing.
Or if you got a pair of cowboy buoes on boom,
you got a whole different thing. Accessories are amazing, and
I really wish that I knew more about them and
about how to pair them in different ways. But you
know what, I've started wearing this silver cuff on my arm.

(01:32:55):
I walk in a room, people treat me differently. I
walk in the room, people sit up a bit straighter
because I know that I am somebody. Because I ordered
my silver arm cuff from a lady in Croatia. Yes,
I did booming about a boom to that.

Speaker 4 (01:33:09):
And additionally, shout out to my Auntie Ben who recently
showed me a great doubt of love and of care.
And she she is a pastor woman, a woman who
is a pastor, And she asked me. She she sent
me down.

Speaker 5 (01:33:23):
She said, I want to talk about your relationship. I said,
relationship with Christ of course. She said, no boyfriend, you
have one yet? I said, Auntie, I gotta go shout out.
Thank you guys. You showed me incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:33:40):
Amounts of kind of and I love the accessories.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
No, it's really amazing. Thank you, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:33:45):
Joe.

Speaker 2 (01:33:47):
Where can people find you?

Speaker 5 (01:33:54):
New York?

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
Please give it in all right, Well, I gotta go home.

Speaker 1 (01:34:04):
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Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
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