"In and Out for 2025" w/ Sam & George

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Who Do Who. Special announcement alert, I repeat special announcement alert.
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We cannot wait to see you. We can't wait to
be in San Francisco in January and escape the frigid
New York cold and also I guess the very warm

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Los Angeles weather for Sam and we can't wait to
see you January seventeenth at Cobbs Comedy Club, part of
SF Sketch Fest. See you there and enjoy the show.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Podcast starts now. Wow Wow Wow. First of all, Happy
holidays from holidays here as Tradio Lab.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
I'm feeling it. I know, I said I wasn't in
the holiday mood last time we spoke about the concept
of being in the holiday mood, but I actually fully am.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
I'm feeling in a big way. I think being in LA,
you really have to manufacture it. And so I've made
a conscious choice to like put on Christmas music, like
to like pretend like it's cold out, and so I'm
kind of feeling it's kind of working.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
You know, I really want to get into LA, first
of all, the concept of manufacturing and Los Angeles more broadly,
because of course, like so many things in LA, initially
it seems surface level and then you realize it text
the deepest possible, the deepest possible concept. It's like, at first,
you know you want to be like, well, of course

(02:06):
everything's manufactured in LA. You manufacturer holiday Spirit, you manufacturer Buzz,
your manufacturer wards Buzz, manufacturer beauty. You can go to
the doctor say I want on your face, okay, And
so initially that seems like, oh, it's a vapid it's
this vapid town. No, no, no, In fact, it's actually
a window into how everything is made. You think it's

(02:26):
just LA that's manufacturing the holiday spirit, honey, it's all manufactured,
and not just that, but LA is so much better
than everywhere else because it is upfront about it and
because it invented manufacturing holidays.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Say, it knows how to manufacture better than anyone else. Yeah,
so they can manufacture in a way that other people
can only dream of.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
And the fact that that is the industry, that's the
town's industry, in fact, makes it not dumber but more sophisticated,
like it is, are you kidding me? Everyone else is
going around thinking the holiday spirit is natural. People know
it's crafted. They know it's crafted, and they are like,
all right, let's have a meeting and talk about how
we can craft it. For Q four.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah, on the Paramot lot where I work, they set
up a big Christmas tree and they had like Christmas
tree lighting with like a band that played like Christmas
hits and they had fake snow And I'm like, now
that is genius, Like yeah, it's fully like sixty five
degrees out and they're like having fake snow women in
little like Santa outfits, like singing a song about Christmas.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
It's groundbreaking stuff. It's interesting thinking about that. I'm thinking,
am I more moved? This is a really important question.
Am I more moved by the manufactured fake snow just
by the human ability to create something like that? Or
am I more moved by suddenly everything is fake? Everything

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is fake. You go outside in you York, real snow
is like the fact that breaking through all the fake stuff.
Is that more emotionally resonant or is the is the
incredible effort to create something more emotionally resonant? And I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
I mean, obviously, from my own perspective, I do feel
that the natural snow feels grander. It's nice to be like,
no one created this but the weather. Yeah, and so
it actually it feels like it's from a higher power.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Yeah. I think you almost have to go through both.
You have to first be moved by the fake snow
and go through the process of telling yourself how beautiful
this is. We did it. We came up with the
technology to create snow, and that's enough. You have a
day of thinking that's enough. Then you go outside you
see real snow. It's even more moving due to your

(04:40):
previous the previous process of convincing yourself that the fake
snow was moving.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
It's like, this is what snow is based on. Yeh, yeh,
and you're like, wow, snow is based on snow.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
It's sort of like going to an incredible Michelin star
rated molecular astronomy restaurant having the meal of your life.
Next day, you know you have to go to your grandma's.
You're sort of dreading it. You know, it's it's tough
seeing your family members get old. Last time you saw her,
maybe she said something a little problematic. You go there,
she gives you she said, oh I made a pound cake.

(05:13):
Like here we fucking go. You have a taste of
the pound cake. You start crying.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Exactly. Real snow is grandma's pound cake. Fake snow is gastronomy.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Well, let's we are. We are in it. We are
locked in.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Should we just start, Well, we should start. And so
today we're going to be covering the ins and outs
for twenty twenty five because you know what a year
twenty twenty four has been. We have experienced it in
so many ways. Shout out to the new pop girls.
We have a whole new generation of things. All of

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a sudden, I would say, it happened so fast.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
It was a it was a good year for.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
What was it? A good year for I think it
was a good year for change.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
It was a good year for change. It was a
good year for I mean, dare I say it was
a good year for pop culture?

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Dare I say to.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Phrase it in such straightforward, crass terms, like there's something about, uh,
there is something about you know, even just the triumph
of Charlie xx. Yeah, alt one, alt one, And it's

(06:30):
almost like it won too much. Yeah. And and gay
guys won, and gay guys won in both good and
bad ways, like gay guys also won in absolutely repugnant ways.
I mean literally, there are two gay men that are
gonna or there's one gay man that's gonna be in
Trump's cabinet. And now they I read this, if he
gets if he gets confirmed, there will have been three

(06:54):
gay men total that have been in like cabinet level positions.
And of the three, two two of them were in
different Trump administrations.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Who's the gay man in Trump's cabinet.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
It's the guy Oh my god, you know that headgshrend
manager that beset. Oh god, I am so ignorant.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
I just didn't know this was happening. Oh yeah, I
am the ignorant one.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
No, no, no, no, I'm telling you.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Scott Bessent, Scott Bessent.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Who's gonna be Who's going to be Treasury secretary?

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Wow? You know I hooked up with the Canadian Secretary
of Treasury once.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Oh my god. Well, hopefully he wasn't right wing.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
I actually don't know where he stood. I just knew
that he was the Canadian Secretary of as well.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
So I've read a little bit about the Scott Bessent
and apologizes if it's Bessent, because you know, I swear
by print media. I'm not gonna turn on a television
to tell me how to pronounce something. But it doesn't
look like it doesn't look like it's hards in the
right place. Let's just say that.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Let's just say that.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
But it's interesting that of the three people you know,
Buddha Judge of course is the one Democrat and the
other two. One was in the first Trump administration, one
is uh is going to be in the second fingers crossed.
He it's been from y'all foray for gay progress anyway.
The point is to go back to your to your
assertion gay one, both in good and bad ways.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah, and gay one, I mean gay lesbians one two
I do think, well, I think the whole Chapel thing
is like, well, at least bisexuals one. I think bisexuals
really feel emboldened right now.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yeah, but okay, but I think Chapel and Renee Rap
did the interesting thing of like really of all of
truly transitioning from by to lesbian. That's true, which is
interesting because it used to be the stereotype used to
be quote unquote bisexual for clout. Now that's not something

(08:51):
I made up, so don't come at me.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Both that used to put down.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
But it is interesting. It's an interesting thing that these
two by you know, high profile bisexual musicians both were like,
I am a lesbian. Yeah, so in that sense, lesbians
did win.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
That sends lesbian's one. I do think. I'm feeling like
bisexual women are taking on the aesthetics of lesbians more
and more, even if they're not saying that least haven't.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
I'm trying to think, have we had this conversation before?
I'm having incredible day, Javou, Like we we literally have
had a conversation bisexual women are going from straight to lesbian? Right?

Speaker 2 (09:33):
I don't know if we have. If we have, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
No, no, no, it's not your fault. But but bisexuals,
by the way, nowhere in my ins and outs. But
since we're on the topic, I'm almost like, is that
is bisexual is? Are bisexuals out?

Speaker 2 (09:53):
I do think bisexual jokes have reached a natural endpoint,
and with that, I also think I do kind of
think bisexual is out.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Here's what I think. I think the initial round of
bisexual jokes, you know, very mean spirited, Like the idea
that people actually think quote unquote bisexuals don't exist is over,
which is a great thing. And I think it's great
to have bisexual visibility. Some of my best friends are bisexual.
We are some of the best guests we've had on
this podcast are bisexual. Because now we've reached bisexual acceptance,

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what happens is, potentially people will feel more empowered to
make jokes because it's a much more stable category in
the sense that you and I can make gig eye
jokes and say the f slur because we're not worried
that we're going to be stoned when we leave our apartments.
So it's almost like maybe a second round of bisexual
humor has more JOI de vive because it's not as

(10:51):
hateful and mean spirited.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
I love that theory. I hope you're right.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Okay, but I think we should get into it because
we have long lists.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
We have long lists. I didn't say how many. We
didn't tell each other how many are on each other's lists.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
I haven't decided how many I'm gonna do. Yeah, okay,
I have got you.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Kick us off.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
I have an out that I think might be a
good intro. Okay, So my first out is the paranoid,
defensive style of speaking. So this is something I'm very
guilty of. I'll give you an example. I'm introducing the
concept of ins and outs, and I say, you know,
obviously these are not literal. Obviously we are just having

(11:35):
fun here. And of course some of these are not
are not worded in a way that kind of talking
that's out Wow, And it's such a it's such a
specifically millennial style of talking. I would say it is
the style of talking you get from growing up with
like digital media that is constantly telling you which things

(11:58):
are good and which things are problematic. It is growing
up with this like obsession with analyzing pop culture and
with literally being like I watched an episode of friends,
but having to first caveat that with being like, well,
I know it's a show that can be really not
inclusive at times.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
You know, I don't I don't love that they like
are all white, but exactly show.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yeah, And there's something about that that is actually doing
the opposite of what you think it's doing, because you
think that you are being so intelligent, but in fact,
what you're doing is disrespecting your audience because guess what
your audience knows, friends is white.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, it's preparing for like the internet. Yeah, like to
consume it.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
That's exactly what it is.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
You don't need to do that anymore.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
And it's this, it's imagining the worst kind of reaction
to every little thing you're thinking. And it also stems
from a place of narcissism too, because you're like, you
adopt this tone of like giving a press release, giving
a press conference, and it's like you're just some guy.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
You think people are really unpacking your words and.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
It's likely no one gives a shit.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah. Well, and actually this kind of goes with an
inn that I also think is obvious and almost too
obvious to So I'll get it out up top but
casual bigotry. I think will be very very in yes,
And I think like because now there's almost like like
it's already been on like podcast culture, like calling things
gay pejorative word. Yeah, yeah, But I think it'll become

(13:29):
more mainstream. I think it'll be on TV shows. I
think like, and it'll be like in this way that's
like self aware and they're not like trying to be problematic,
but it will be like we'll look back on it
and be like, oh, that was weird that that was
going on.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Well, this is the classic. The first time this happened
then it was there was like a famous internet essay
about this, and I wish I knew where it was.
But someone like coined the term ironic racism. Do you
remember this? This was like a thing people really talked about.
And it's very much.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Like early two thousands common early.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yes, it's like think about the the like Austin Powers humor,
think about like.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Sarah Silverman when like, yes special back then.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Sarah Silverman's special blackface, Jimmy Fallon doing blackface like this
this kind of thing. My worry is that this new
round of it will actually be like more violent or
not violent, but like less ironic, like yeah, I'm almost
there's a real mean spiritedness to it that's like a

(14:33):
backlash to the kind of wave of the latest wave
of political correctness that let's say was defined like the
twenty tens, and which is why.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
You're like, way of speaking, I think ties into it
because you aren't gonna be worried about whether they're coming
off as bigoted. They'll be like, well, yeah, it's like
I don't care if someone misunderstands me. I don't need
to get caveat this. Yeah, which I mean, it is
a bummer. It's going to be annoying, and it's going
to be like it's like a little it's like the

(15:08):
evil calls like it like it will feel fun, Like
you'll want to be bad and be like I can
do that, I can do that.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
But you like it's this false promise of freedom, like
it's you're sort of it's such a warped view of
freedom because what you actually want is not not to
be racist. What you actually want is to like be

(15:36):
allowed to make.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
Art and and and you and and a certain type
of person gets a rush from saying something inappropriate and
that masquerades as real creative output.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Or something. Yeah, I think you will see like a
stand up comedian who is straight, like do a gay
character as like and it'll like be viral. This is
my prediction. These are my predictions. Just thought I could say, Okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Let's see I can do an in Okay, this.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Is like Christmas. I feel like we're like sharing presents
for each other.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
It's so much fun. Okay. I have two that are
very related. So I think cultural like elitist forms of
art like going to the opera, going to the ballet,
going to the theater, but not like Broadway musicals, like
going to the theater and being like well versed in
Chekhov's plays, but especially things like the opera and the ballet.

(16:39):
And then related to that is formalware. Like I said
last year that workwhere would be out. I'm taking a
step further. I really think we're gonna start seeing like ties,
like people wearing ties to their tech job. Like ties.
Ties are back in a huge way, and not bow
ties because bow ties have a flare, of ironic flare.

(17:01):
There's gonna be it's gonna be like your father's Brooks
Brothers tie. Yeah. Related to this, you know the met
Gala theme this coming year is the the Black Dandy
mm hmm. And I think potentially, like the aesthetics of

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the Dandy will really be in the cultural, in the
culture in a way that will then remind people how
fun it is to dress in sort of formal, over
the top ways, and they'll be like, you know, opening
their closets looking at all their pairs of Stan ray
pants and Carhart and they'll say, oh my god, what

(17:43):
have I been missing out on all these years?

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Wow? This is an interesting theory. I think you're right.
I mean, the problem with the ins and outs for
this year is, of course, Trump is looming over all
of it. Of course, so I do feel that like
you saying, sort of the opera the ballet is back,
I do think is true. And I do think it's
because people are going to be annoyed at popular culture
and almost taking pride in their alienation.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
And I think related to Trump. Last time, okay, let's
say we're okay. Cultural elites. Last time Trump won, their
instinct was to quote unquote relate to the common American,
and I think this time it will be the opposite.
It'll be be sort of reaffirming their own elite status.

(18:30):
With no care in the world, Like before they weren't
going to the opera. Before they were like I'm going
to travel to Kentucky and meet a farmer. And now
they're going to the opera and in hushed tones they're like,
aren't farmers so stupid?

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, they're kind of like you guys voted for him.
You can add yes, yes, we're going to the opera, right,
So that's that's great. I have a related in Okay,
go being rich and not ashamed. I think before it
was about if you had money, you would hide it,
and now I think, well, we're going to see like
I think early two thousands really did this too, where

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it's like you really like are like ooh, I want
to be rich rich, like that girl's rich and that's awesome,
Like oh, we have to go to this club where
all the rich people go, and I think it'll be
like rich is in. No one's going to be Bushwick
is out basically, and you're not pretending to be poor anymore.
You're like riches in, rich is in.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
And I think something that's semi related to that is
the general exhaustion with a NEPO baby conversation like yeah,
it no longer scratches an itch to be like, look
I discover his tax returns. He's rich. No one cares anymore.
Like yeah, the idea that I that I am like,

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did you know that actress's father is a billionaire?

Speaker 2 (19:48):
No one cares, No one cares, And it's like you'll
almost just assume it. Yeah, it's like, yeah, she's an actress. Okay,
I have an out that I can do. Okay.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
I think something that's out to me is the concept
of press tours. Like interesting, there's I press toars now
for huge movies like you know, Barbie Wicked whatever, they
last basically three years. Yeah, And I know we just
said that the kind of like over the top aesthetics

(20:22):
of wealth are in. But I actually think this the
sort of over the top like marketing budget is out,
Like I can't. I think there's gonna be exhaustion with
just like seeing these celebrities say the same personal anecdotes
over and over again, like seeing the like the way
we were charmed by Gaga saying there can be one

(20:43):
hundred people in a room a million times, I think
was like the peak of how charming that can be.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, I want to agree with you this one I'm
struggling with because I am like, I feel like I
still think I think memes are going to continue to
be sort of the main Internet humor, and I think
it's such a generator for that, and I think this
Wicked tour almost made it so it's like clearer that
that's the case. Like I think people are going to

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try to be more insane to get pressed for their movie.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
I mean maybe right, because because in fact, the memes
that have been made from the press tour are way
more sticky than the ones that have been made about
the movie itself. I mean, which is so interesting to
think about, Like for let's say, for a Star is Born,
which is where a hundred people in a room came
from the things we remember. The things that were memes

(21:36):
were actually from the movie. It was like her fake songs,
like the fact that her name was Ali, or the
looking back thing, the looking back thing. Whereas now it's
it's complicated because on the one hand, I see what
you're saying. On the other hand, I'm almost like, well,
that's even more to my point because that it's going
to reach a fever pitch where people no longer like
I just don't think it's a sustainable plan to have

(21:59):
more and more complex press tours. Yeah, we'll get tired
of celebrities. And I and I really like celebrities have
been out for a while.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
No, that's true, that's true. They don't have to pretend
riches in. But you still if you're a celebrity, you
have to almost pretend to not be You have to
be like humble or something.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Okay, okay, let's see this one's kind of complicated.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
I think an out is queer as inherent good.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Oh. I like that we found it earlier when we
said gay one, but in both good and bad ways.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah. And I think as it's like more and more mainstream,
like it's like every every pop person is queer, like
you're queer coded or queer Like it's like even like
people like Charlie XCX is straight, but it's like this
is queer music. And I think it's going to be
like that's not going to be just like a synonym
for good. I think it's just going to be like

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it's going to lose its power as a brand exercise.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
It's also just like no longer even a synonym for
semi good politics, like at one point, even the word
queer was like reclaiming a slur, and it meant that
you had more radical politics than someone who referred to
themselves as gay. Obviously, I'm painting in broad strokes. Oh look,
I'm doing defensive time. And I just think it's over

(23:27):
and again in ways that are both bad and good.
Of course, in some ways, what you what we have
always wanted, is like mass acceptance where you're not defined
by your sexual identity. But in other ways, of course,
I wish there wasn't a gay guy in the Trump administration.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah, okay, I have.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
I have two food related inns that I can do
together because they're not super interesting.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Great, I have a food related profound in as well.
All right, so out Actually sorry.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Spaghetti and meatballs. Really, I think spaghetti meet balls are in.
I think that, you know, we went through the very
long Burger and Martini era where that was like the
comfort food everyone craved, and I just think the next
chapter of that is spaghetti and meatballs. I like like

(24:20):
having people over and having a giant bowl of spaghetti
and meatballs and like, you know, having I think there's
gonna be a sort of like Alison Romanesque actually, Alison
has a great meatbal recipe, but I think there's gonna
be like some sort of viral moment or something that
or even even like a movie moment, like a Lady

(24:42):
in the Tramp spaghetti moment. Like there's gonna be something
that puts spaghetti on the meatballs back on the map
in a big way. I actually am saying this from
personal experience, because I had a dinner party where I
served spagetti and meatballs, and I got more compliments than
I've ever gotten on like more difficult things I've cooked
or baked or anything that's basically all anyone wants.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
I think this is one of the most genius predictions
of all time, the way that instantly when you said this,
it clicked with me. And I'm like, because people still
are wanting the simple, They're still wanting to feel the
burger and martini vibe, but they've had enough burgers and
they've had enough Martini's. Like, I think you're so right
about the speating meat pulse. Do you have a like cocktail? Like, yes,

(25:26):
what is the cocktail?

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Okay, it's not a single cocktail, but I think Amorrow
based cocktails are gonna be big last night. I so
we sort of just have not like restocked our alcohol
in a while, and we have a very random assortment
of things. So when people come over, I'm constantly being like,
do you want to vermouth and soda? Like I because
I just like don't have enough stuff. And we had

(25:50):
this random bottle of a Verna and this bottle of prosecco,
and I looked up and I made an Averna spritz
last night for we had a friend over, and it
tasted like a sort of a twist on like a
diet coke, Like it was this like beautiful, kind of

(26:11):
like syrupy but not too sweet, spritsy but winterry drink.
And I mean, I think Amari have been in for
a while. I'm not reinventing the wheel here, but I
think specifically not on their own, not on the rocks,
not just with soda, Like slightly more complicated cocktails that

(26:32):
are a marrow based I think could be almost like
a bridge between the more simple martini and the more
complicated and outdated like craft cocktail culture of the twenty tens.
It's almost like we went all the way in one direction,
then we went all the way in the other direction. Now,
a happy medium is an Amarro based three ingredient car.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
George, I'm feeling so electric, I'm getting chills. I like,
I'm you're making me like see the future, and I
even like I I here's a prediction on the floor. Yeah,
go go go saying to someone do you want to
get a nightcap? Oh? Do you want to have a nightcap?
I think this is going to happen in a huge way.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Wait can I I sorry to get ahead of myself.
I'll then give you the opportunity to do three in
a row. But I have one that's related to that.
Oh great, okay. One of my ins is having people
over parentheses, but not for dinner, So George.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
I I wrote down out dinner that is about food.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yes, okay, So first of all, dinner parties I'm not
gonna to say dinner parties are out as ridiculous. Obviously
we're all gonna still have dinner parties, but dinner parties
as this like incredibly branded important thing is out Like
that was very much like a post block to down
totally total let's fucking do this roaring twenties, like we're

(27:54):
gonna make shrimp cocktail blah, blah. But what I think
is gonna happen to your nightcap point is having people
over for drinks, having people over for tea, having people
over for coffee, and then you also made a little
bunt cake, so you serve them a little you know,
a slice of cake with their coffee, maybe a few cookies,
bowl of nuts. Not something where you're not even you

(28:18):
haven't even prepared something. You're just like, you go out
for dinner and then it's like, do you want to
come over for you know, dessert, and then you just
take out literally a thing of Hogan DAW's vanilla.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
This is I'm excited. This actually makes me excited for
the future because I have been a little bit like
what what is the trendy? What's gonna be fun? And
I'm like, this sounds so fun.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
It's actually almost like sitcom level. You can walk into
your friend's apartment.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yes, one hundred percent, but you also know not to
stay too long. You're like, exactly, I'll stay for like
an hour and a half.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Yeah, wow, uh okay, go you can okay, Okay.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yeah, So I said, didn't know that it's about food.
This is I should have brought I'm gonna do two
two quick ones because they were related to previous things
that we talked about, and I should have brought them
up before. One is out is Brooklyn and as a
Manhattan is in Now that sort of related the wealth thing. Sure, yeah,
and then the other thing is I really because Bratt

(29:14):
was so big, I think Green is out out out
and I think going Charlie XCX mode is really out
like it has been like market tested that it doesn't
work for other people. Yes, and I think people will
now not try to do that again.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
No, it only works for her because it's like authentic
to her experience and because she has been perfecting it
for fifteen years.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yeah, and people will probably still try, but in a
less like you won't see like Katy Perry do it again.
You won't see who Camilla Cabeo do it again.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah. I definitely agree about Green because it's not just Brad,
it's also Wicked. It's also with its green was just everywhere.
I also, I mean pink, the green and pink and
Wicked was just such an assault that I think people
are gonna move away from those colors. I think we're

(30:09):
going to be seeing yellows. Let's say Purple's you know, yeah,
some night reds, even a burnt orange.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Burnt orange for crying out loud, Okay, I have I'm
realizing that I have a few that are related for
ends that maybe I'll just combine them into one thing.
I think the sort of Ashton Kutcher style punked dressing.
It will continue to be bigger and bigger, and that
includes I think that that his haircut, that like mop thing.

(30:46):
I think stud earrings are going to be back, oh okay,
and I think goates.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Well, you know, last year we predicted sideburns, which arguably
was not a correct prediction, but I think goatees make
more sense. I was actually so I was rewatching Happy
Endings and the main character, who's a complete flop. All
of them around him are incredible, but the main guy

(31:14):
is like, by by design, sort of like the straight man,
and he has a goatee that he's constantly made fun
of for hmmm. And it got me thinking, like they
actually have been fully out of the culture for so
long that we can we can bring them back and
really play with the form in a new way.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
I think you're gonna see some gay guys doing it. Yeah,
it's gonna work, okay, gay go tees, gay go tees
on the red carpet.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Wow, Okay, Yeah, I mean my ends are better than
my outs. I have to say, I can attempt to
do an out. The idea of stigma is out, Like
I think that both stigmatizing something and reclaiming a previously

(32:06):
existing stigma are out like as a as a mode
of thinking, as a way of or organizing thought. It's
just like not how things are going to be viewed anymore,
because I almost think that the idea of stigma is
inherently related to a monoculture. There has to be like
a common language for something to then be stigmatized against

(32:27):
the common mainstream culture. And so when you don't have
mainstream culture and you just have a bunch of different subcultures,
it's like something can be stigmatized in this culture, but
not in this culture, and it can be like a
good thing here, but a bad thing here. And unless
you have the data in front of you, that's like
how many people stigmatizes and how many people don't. It's
just is not a useful way of thinking about anything
anymore interesting.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
I mean, does this go along with like a there's
no more like canceling vibe or is it a different thought.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
I think that I'm more so thinking about like when
people are like mental illness is stigmatized. It's like, okay,
it is, broadly speaking, but in fact, in the community
that I'm a part of, it's encouraged. Like in no
room that I'm ever in, is mental illness stigmatized, or
even if you're like something about even something around like

(33:22):
queerness or body type or like things that are traditionally
considered less than whatever the desirable version is.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, okay, this is making sense to me.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Obviously, people still face oppression and people still face like discrimination,
but the concept of a stigma, I think is like
the wrong way to look at it. Yeah, yeah, that's
sort of what I mean. I like that.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
I think this works, okay, because you won't be stigmatized.
You'll just move to a different culture exactly. That's exactly
what hop on over to someone.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
Because a stigma implies like a red you know, for adulterer.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Okay, I have an out. I think making fun of
cringe liberalism, oh so out, so out. I think, like
making fun of the like in this house we believe
like stuff like that. You're just sort of gonna be like, yeah,
I get it, like cope, however you can. I think
it's gonna be like I don't think it'll be happening

(34:24):
as much because I think people are like, don't feel
a fire under them. But I also think when it happens,
you'll be like, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
It's like making fun of Hamilton. It's like it's over, yeah,
so we're gonna make fun of Hamilton, or like there's
just something it used to feel fresh to rediscover things
from the Obama era. And obviously we do this more
than anyone can. We discover things from the Obama era
and think of them in a new light. But enough
time has passed that the Obama era is now basically

(34:53):
what the Clinton era was then, like you just have
to accept it.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
It happened, folks, that happened, So that happened, So that happened.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Been wow, Okay, I'll do an inn. I think that
aerobics could make a comeback wow, because I think it's
the only form of trend based exercise that hasn't made

(35:20):
a comeback, like even line This is not a form
of exercise, but even like line dancing, it has become
like a cool thing. Queer people do. But aerobics, which
has all the makings of something that would get a
nostalgia based comeback, especially in a like post yoga post
pilates world.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Plus we have all this dance music.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
We have all this dance music, I think people. Also,
everything is a you know, a brand activation and a
fashion collaboration now, so it's like someone's gonna go ahead
and make some you know, fluorescent colored aerobics clothing.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
I'm actually surprised this didn't happen with the Barbie Dua Lipa.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Oh yeah, the bar also and Dua Lipa.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yeah it should have John Huh. I like this theory.
I wonder how they're gonna like elevate it from just nostalgia,
I know it, Like I wonder in like a like
an alloy world, like how are they gonna make it
like Instagram girlies love this? Yeah, And I'm not sure
what the answer is. But I mean, it'll be like
in a soul cycle way, like it'll be like a

(36:23):
dark room.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Right, it won't be to be clear, it won't be cool.
I'm not saying this is gonna be like a cool thing,
but it'll Soul cycle is the perfect comparison it'll be
like some company that has seed like venture funding will
be like, oh my god, you know what, we haven't
done it in a while, is like a good aerobics craze,
like it worked the first time. It's been long enough,

(36:44):
you know what I predict. Then there's gonna be some
viral interview of Jane Fonda responding to it, and people
asking her like, so what do you think of the
new aerobics craze, and she'll be like, well, you know,
there's a reason it worked, like blah blah blah, and
then people like clips from her aerobics take will be
viral on TikTok.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
I love this, Yeah, and okay it maybe it may
have missed with Barbie and Dualipa, but with the substance
I think they could.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Of course I forgot about the substance, yes, of course. Yeah, okay,
all right.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Okay, let's see I have a really controversial one. Okay,
this is an inn I predict there's gonna be a
conversation about how there hasn't been a new funny fat
guy at SNL WHOA. I think in the same way
that there was a conversation about like there hasn't been
a black woman on like when like in ten years

(37:37):
ago when that was happening. I think there's gonna be
like a we need a new funny fat guy at SNL,
and it people will be like nostalgic for like John Candy, Yeah,
like Chris Farley, Like people are gonna be like this
used to be the thing, and they're gonna like want
it again. Like I think with the fiftieth people are
gonna be reflecting on who used to be there and
that used to be such a thing that people would
say is like ESENL always has like the funny fat guy,

(38:00):
and I think that's gonna be there's gonna be a
conversation about how there hasn't been like a wild funny
fat guy in a while.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Wow, fascinating, And that's that fits it. It is so
much with the rest of where culture is going. It's
like literally it used to be that people would be
angry that there was not more racial diversity on ESNEL.
Now it's gonna be people being like, why isn't there

(38:26):
a funny fat guy?

Speaker 2 (38:29):
And it fits in with the like casual big like
casual bigotry sort of this like thing of like I
can say this, why isn't there a funny fat guy.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Okay, let's see. I think one of my ends is,
and this is controversial, I think that San Francisco has
been hollowed out and sort of uh beaten down so
much with a combination of Silicon Valley transforming in than

(39:00):
leaving the pandemic, the various like controversies around local politics.
There just like insane rents, people moving to Oakland. Like
it's just sort of like terrible reputation both among you know,
conservatives obsessed with crime and progressives obsessed with like Silicon

(39:23):
Valley taken over whatever. I almost think it's like it
can't get any lower, and so it now will have
some sort of resurgence, like there's gonna be some maybe
it's like a local artistic scene of some sort. Maybe
there's gonna be a new band that's from San Francisco.
Maybe there's gonna be a thriving art scene in some way.

(39:43):
And then maybe there will be some TV series or
film that's about a community that lives in San Francisco.
Then maybe people will remember all the different things that
they loved about San Francisco, or maybe it's an even
more nostalgic thing where there's going to be like a
movie about like hate Ashbury hippies or something, and then
that'll be a trend. But I just think like San

(40:04):
Francisco was so cool then it was so uncool, and
I think it has to it has to like circle back.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
I like this and I really hope you're right, Like
there is something. When I think about San Francisco, it
is like this is like so sad. Yeah, it really
is like one of the bleaker things that has happened,
and you just like sort of move on because it
is a fact. It's just like Yep, Tech ruined an
entire city. It's just crazy and you have to just
be like okay, and it's like no, it's like we

(40:33):
haven't actually addressed this. Like this used to be a
thriving city with a cool vibe.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
One of the Americans dead.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
It is completely hallowed out. It is crazy.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
So something you know, it's gonna something's gonna rise from
rise from the ashes.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
I think has this is a genuine Has tech moved out?
Is it?

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Well? A big part of it is like, first of all,
a lot of tech has moved to like Austin and
Miami and places like that. I mean the big I
mean Austin especially has just become this like huge tech capital.
The other thing that happened, especially during the pandemic was
because everyone started working from home, downtown San Francisco was

(41:14):
just like really like hollowed out in this way. There's
just like there's like all these empty buildings, but then
they're not being made into affordable housing or anything, so
it's just you know, this sort of like it was
this like ghost town.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
That's interesting, But San Francisco's always like San Francisco is
defined back to the gold Rush by booms and busts,
Like it just isn't a stable place.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Like there's always going to be you know, incredible eras
of immense wealth and then eras where you know, things
are not going well, and it's always it always somehow
bounces back. And it's also very like amenable to new ideas.
So it might be something completely different. It might also
be worse.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Who knows, Hey, somebody's you gotta get before you better. Yeah, well,
I hope they come back. It's a gorgeous city.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
It really is.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
God And we're going to go there soon. San Francisco
sketch Fest Show.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
It's probably the only show I have planned for twenty
twenty five, so same, see you there, see you there.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Okay, let's see this. These are complicated, Okay. I think
an out an out is like I think public feminism.
I think we're gonna have like a like a high
profile woman be like I'm not really a feminist, like

(42:40):
and almost be like like there's gonna be sort of
a throwback vibe to like feminism. I actually love men, like.
I think it'll be like the misinterpreting, of course and wrong,
but I think that it's going to happen where I
think feminism as like a branding thing is out and
it'll be like I love men and feminists and then
it'll be like feminists are lesbians.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
I love women defending men.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Yeah, I love men.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
I think women defending men is hugely in.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Yeah, and it's like this again, all this it's all cyclical,
like because that and Trump is looming. Of course, Trump luming,
but it is, it is all cyclical, and I think
this will come back.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
I know it's you know, it's funny. Feminism is one
of those terms. Of course, there are actual there is
an actual history of feminism, and there are actual definitions
and you can you know there is there? There's like
feminism is also like a lens through which to view
politics and culture. It is a way. It is an

(43:43):
academic line of thought. It is like a way to
It is a liberation movement. It is all these things
like in actuality. But there's also divorced from that, just
the specter of feminism in like the mainstream popular imagination.
That's almost literally a different thing, you know what I mean,
Like the actual concept, the substantial concept of feminism is

(44:06):
so different than what, like than what at any given
time in the nineties or twenty or twenty tens is
meant when a random person on television says I am
a feminist.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean I'm realizing and going
through these Yours are way more optimistic and mine are
really cynical and pessimistic.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
I don't think that's necessarily true. I mean I'm doing
much more, many more inns. I'm trying to think, like, hmmm,
oh I have a pessimistic one. Oh okay, all right,
So I think one of my inns is I think
AI will be in for longer before we get a backlash,

(44:52):
Like I think the sort of I think the obvious
thing would be to say everyone hates AI it's out
for twenty twenty five. But I don't think that the case.
I think that like well, and everyone's distracted by like
oh AI created images, and like look at this crazy
fake image where this guy has like seven fingers because

(45:14):
it wasn't created well, and like, oh, this AI created
poem is like actually shitty. And in the meantime, AI
is being used in way more nefarious ways and even
way more like normal ways to be honest, like, I'm
sure it's being used to make like incredible medical advances
that I don't know about, but I just think it
is going to first infiltrate the culture way way, way
way more before in like five ten years, there's like

(45:38):
a real backlash of some sort.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
If ever, I think you're one hundred percent right. I
think this, Yeah, this is pessimism that I agree with.
It's sort of the the Elon thing where it's like
Elon shouldn't be winning. Like everyone who we know hates him,
Everyone on the internet hates him. It's like he's a
punching like punching bag for like everyone, and yet like

(46:01):
he is still in charge of Twitter. He is still
like in charge of the government, picked the president, like yeah,
he has all the power somehow. Still, and I think
AI is like this too, where it's like, yes, everyone
posts like oh this sucks, this is bad, but it's
like it's winning and it's going to continue to win.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
No, there's something about it that it's uh, it's just
becoming the new. It no longer is like this little,
this mysterious thing on the rise, Like it's now just
AI went from being like punk rock hacker to being
man in suit. I mean, it is much more difficult
to take down man in suit than like someone infiltrating

(46:39):
the culture.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
This is. I'm having the opposite reaction that I had
to your spaghetti and meatballs. I'm feeling so low about
this because I am like it's true and there's nothing
we can do about it. Like I'm really like stuck
on like what does this mean? And we won't know
until it happens, but I'm like, really sucks it like

(47:02):
can't be good in any way. And I feel like
even with like the Internet, we didn't know it was
gonna be bad. Like the Internet was like, Wow, this
is so exciting. We can like share information and learn anything.
We want at any given moment, and now it's like, oh,
this is kind of bad, Like I wish we didn't
have this sometimes, and with AI, we don't even have
that like this is going to solve everything. It's just
like start out the gate. It is bad.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
No, I so agree with you. It used to be
that innovations first went through a phase of utopian thinking. Yeah,
even something like the telephone, Like it's like first you're like, wow, amazing,
we can connect with everyone, and then it's like, okay,
it's like promoting misinformation and people are addicted and teams

(47:47):
are committing suicide. But at least in the beginning you
can be like, we have a smart phone, it's a
computer in your pocket.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Yeah, it was magical at first.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
And I'm sort of like, but I also do think
there's a cl divide here because for many people they
do think of it as utopian honestly, Like you can
think of AI as like, oh, everything is going to
be so frictionless and then we're going to be free
to you know, work a three hour or work a
two day work week and then spend the rest of
the time painting. Like there is that utopian element of it,

(48:18):
but it is difficult to access that line of thinking
when the people that are the post your children for
it are like literal movie villains.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Yeah, totally, and the it just is like so clearly
not that is not the goal, like it's just the
goal is to like be the first one to do
it so you can be rich before they eliminate all jobs.
Leve leve, bon voyage, bon voyage. Did I tell you

(48:48):
that I can't stop saying say love?

Speaker 1 (48:50):
I have noticed.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Because I think it's it's such a fun way of being,
like I'm detached, like I don't care, and it adds
a little gen siqua, you know.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
I think a fun trend would be to say French phrases,
but not in ways that makes sense of so just
like like I just did, like I just did with
bon Voyage, like that literally does not make sense in
this context.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
I love to go, so that's kind of fun. Oh
what's my turn? Okay, here's an interesting out. I'm also
not sure if I'm gonna do all mine because I
don't know if I agree with all of them now
that we're reading these out loud. But here's an out
social media star meaning anything. I think there was a

(49:42):
second where it was like if you are big on Instagram,
you are big, like this can transition into a real thing.
I think social media star is becoming more and more disposable,
and more and more temporary, and more and more like, well, yeah,
I look at you and my phone. I don't really
care about you beyond that. And I think that used

(50:02):
to be less clear, like it would be like, oh
I saw this guy on Instagram. I love him, And
now it's like, no, I think you're because you're not
even following. You're like being fed stuff. And I think
so you don't feel investment, You're like that was a
funny video.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
You don't even look at what someone's name is, like yeah,
And I think this is a mistake a lot of
our a lot of people we know, make where they
think their profile is rising because they're going viral, and
then in fact it's just like people might see you
on the street and be like that person looks familiar.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
I Actually what's interesting about social media stardom is so
I think that what we're seeing is arise in like
a middle class when it comes to social media performers.
So the expectation that if you go viral, then you
reach some higher point is almost like, you know, the

(51:00):
promise that you'll found a small business and become a billionaire. Like,
I think there is this more consistent sort of middle
class of like in the same way that there are
so many working actors that are not wealthy, like you know,
Julia Roberts. I think that's what's happening with social with
quote unquote creators, is there's just this like large group

(51:23):
of people that like occasionally make a couple thousand dollars
doing a brand deal.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Yeah. Yeah, that's an interesting way of looking at it.
The gold rush is over.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
The gold rush is over, exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
The gold rush is over. Still you can still get
a little gold, yeah, but very little.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Okay. I actually have hm uh okay. I have one
that's sort of related to the AI thing and also
sort of related to Trump in a way. I sort
of think the movie and the I think V for
Vendetta is in.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Vv Vendetta is it? I don't know, Like, so what
does that mean to you? Like I hear that, and
I think like middle school ideas of activism, that's.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
What it is. Yeah, there's something there's something that's like
I don't know, so much of like Trumpian thinking there
is so childlike. And I think V for Vendetta, as
much as I really honestly enjoy it as a film,
V for Vendetta just has these very childlike notions of activism,

(52:33):
of justice, of oppression of power that are actually so
that can actually be sort of appropriated by anyone with
any politics. Like you can read it in a left
wing way, you can read it in a right wing way.
It's almost like what happened with the Matrix. Yes, And

(52:53):
I don't know, I think.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Everyone thinks they're the V for Vendetta. They think they're
on like the good side. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
And and there's also I think I have generally noticed
just like a rise in violence being socially like the
idea of violence on.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Both the Assassin we have talking about the assassin, right, So.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
There's the thing like I think that on the right
violence has very much in the Trump years become or
even like violent language, let's say, has become way more
socially accepted. And I think something that's happening now with
like with the assassin and even with the Trump assassination attempt,
is you see like respectable Midwestern moms being like, oh,

(53:38):
should have gotten him. Like there is just like a
comfort with almost like Gallows humor about violence.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Well it is true that, Yeah, there's something about like
the systems really not working and like people are like,
well there is one thing that can work, and like
people are being driven insane enough to be like Okay,
let's do that, Like let's and at least let's celebrate
it when it happens, because it's like nothing good happens
and systemically right now, like there's very few wins for

(54:08):
like the people, and so I do think when the
violence happens, it's like fun to be like, hell, yeah
we got him.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Yeah yeah, and it almost feels not it doesn't even
feel dangerous because you're like, literally nothing good will ever happen. Yeah,
this is just like we're all just doing a little dance.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Yeah, I'm like really trying not to. I think when
this comes out, it'll be like let's see, like it'll
be in like two weeks or something, and so who
knows where we'll be with the assassin.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Story of course. Yeah, sorry for everyone listening, know that
we still don't know the identity of the assassin of
the Sorry United Healthcare CEO shooter. We don't know his
identity and he has not been caught, so.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Who knows what we'll happen the next two weeks.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
But what's currently happening is people are making joke about
how he's hot on the internet.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
And I'm like genuinely trying not to get swept up
in Assassin Fever because i know, like, because it is
a ju juicy story and it is so like the
bullets had writing on them and it was like it
was political, and You're like.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
But don't you think that's so V for Vendetta. It's
so V Frendeta writing on them? Are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 (55:21):
That's so middle school? Yeah? And yet I'm like finally
like I'm like this rules and I'm I'm really trying
to check in with that and be like when I'm
you know, we're almost like horny right now, Like we're
horny for violence, and like I'm when I come, I'm
going to be like what was I thinking? Why was
I so horny for that? Yeah, And so I'm trying

(55:43):
to not be so horny for it. But I am
like there is something where it's like very attractive to
me right now. Yeah, God, they should make a horny
that you don't regret later.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Oh my god, that would be crazy. I would not
ever need to, you know, work another day in my life.
For pretty are if there was a horny that did
not make you feel shame later or you're kidding me the.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Way that like, I feel like it's been happening more
and more where I will come and then I'll be like,
what have I been doing the last four days? No,
it's like bad, I have been completely thinking wrong because
I've been horny without knowing it.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Like, but also but also take me back, this is.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Men shouldn't be allowed on the government, folks. Okay, here's
a weird out. Okay, and it's not that controversial. But Disney,
Oh yeah, I think totally. I think Disney is like
so so so out. And I think before it was
like Marvel is out, but I think now it's even further,
like even like adults being like, well, this animated movie

(56:45):
is actually really good. I think that's out. I think
Disney is like beyond out.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Yeah, it's I'm also I mean all these live action
remakes are It's sort of shocking how I and I
saw the trailer for the Snow White one and I
was like, oh, God, you're doing CGI dwarfs.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Oh wow, I did not see the trailer for this.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
It's really it's really shocking actually, like and you know,
I know we have left behind calling things problematic, but like,
I'm sorry, have little people not been through enough that
now your way around it is not even casting them
in case it's offense. So you're literally doing basically like

(57:32):
prejudiced caricatures of little people that as though they're animals,
as though they're CGI animals. I'm actually I was shocked
what I saw that.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
No, that is such a great point. I'm honestly like
surprised they're even making this movie because you're just gonna
step in it in so many ways. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
But maybe but as we've said, like, cancel culture is over,
so maybe it's literally like they're good, it's gonna be fine.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
It's gonna be fine. But that for some reason they're canceling.
Is that Rachel Ziegler, Yeah, they're canceling her because she
doesn't like she's like, yeah, I feel fine about It's
no way. She's like I didn't really grow up with
it or something. She's like she's not doing the Ariana
thing of like crying every time she's in her totally
like she doesn't care.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
I sort of something I sort of appreciate about her
is that she kind of does refuse to play the game.
She's always sort of saying something randomly controversial, but then
she's also not being controversial enough that it's like slag queen,
you you did that. It's just sort of being sort
of just putting her foot in it constantly.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
She's sort of just being like, can we wrap this
up like that? All times exactly, And I think that's cool. Yeah, Okay,
I have okay, I have an out. I think Sasha
Baron Cohen is out, oh yeah in a big way.
And you know he's going to try to do something
in the Trump in.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
The Trump era. But I'm I actually think it's been
a really long time coming, like a really long time coming,
Like it is shocking that he got away with doing
Borat two with and and there wasn't any sort of
conversation about the larger politics of his work, and.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
In fact, it got nominated for an Oscar Yes, yes,
and it was like bor At two. There's this thing
about like in music where like the album sales more
reflect the album that came before. And I really think
that Borat two Is that for movies?

Speaker 1 (59:34):
That's genius. Yes, it's so true.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Because people just love Borat one so much that then
they were like, well, we have to support Borat two
because Borat one is so beloved, and they're like, but
I think actually, if a Borat three were to come out,
the backlash would come so hard because no one actually
liked bore At two.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Yeah, it's and he has been he himself has been
really annoying.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Yeah, very smug. And now that he's like divorced from
from Isla Fisher, Isla Fisher, it's like, wait that was
you were like it was charming to know that you
were with is Fisher totally totally and I was like,
well she hates you, then I think I might hate
you as well.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
He's such a smug little bitch, like he thinks he's
so smart, and he's been encouraged like I mean not
to be so uh you know, Earnest Earnest, But I'm like,
where's woman Let a woman have that career? Where is
a silly woman doing crazy characters like and I'm so

(01:00:38):
sick of It's like because he is, you know, a
handsome British man he's like allowed to to toe the
line and to be offensive and to it's like fuck off, enough.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Enough and even like the whole like clowning tie into
his whole deal where he's like I trained to be
a clown. It's just like all right, Like I don't
think this is for me. I'm also like he's like
approached characters. I'm like enough with the voices, Like there's
something about the Yeah, it's so one on one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
I mean, the first thought, it's quite I'm sorry the joke.
I don't know. I this is a problem I've always had.
But it's like I understand, I'm not an idiot. I
understand that it's meant to be pointing out racism via
its own racism. Like I get it. I'm not an idiot,
but like the whole thing is just my wife like fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Well. He also has like sort of classic South Park
syndrome where it's like, you know, ironic like anti semitism,
and then it's like but then people just actually do
it to be anti Semitic. They're like that's so funny,
and then they're like quoting it, and then when someone's Jewish,
they're like doing it to them. It's like this is
so weird.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Yeah, it's also I mean he is doing I mean
he is just doing a racist caricature, Like I mean,
I'm sorry, but like if we're taking off Hulu episodes
of thirty Rock that have black faced, like, what are
we doing with corat all? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
So that's my out. Okay, let's see what have I
not done? Oh okay, here's an inn.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
I think male singers ooh okay. I think I think
it's been like the pop girlies have been like such
a thing. And it's even straight guys are saying like, oh,
the pop girlies, the pop girlies, And I think there's
going to be like it's going to feel new and
independent to stan a male singer. I'm kind of even
thinking like a bony bear like someone like really yeah,

(01:02:43):
Like it's like your people are going to want a masculine.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Voice, I guess, okay, okay, and it's gonna make.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Them they're gonna be like, I'm not like other girls.
I listen to a man saying.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Yeah, do you think like Iron and Wine, Like it's
like that kind of thing is kind.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Of do think that's gonna come back as like a
reaction to like everything being so glossy and poppy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Yeah, yeah, I mean one of them. I mean there's
such a misogyny to the idea that like a male
voice is more authentic than a female voice, which is
what a lot of this is. Okay, I'm I mean
I have to say it's already happening with like like

(01:03:25):
these are people I barely whose work I barely know,
but like m J. Lenderman is like getting.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Big McGee McGee, of course.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
I mean. Also the Bone of Ar record I think
is like well received.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Yeah, I think it's I think it's going to continue.
I think it's going to continue trending. And similarly, h
I think we've seen it a little bit, but I
think like the TikTok generation is going to continue to
find twenty tens indie rock and reappropriate it in ways
that people our age are annoyed at. And like I

(01:04:04):
think they're gonna like find like of Montreal and like
there's gonna be like a viral trend to of Montreal
and we're gonna be like what the hell? And but
it is, like it's just it's gonna keep happening. They're
gonna like find like Beach House teenage dream or whatever,
and it's natives. Yes, yeah, even like I saw it,
like somebody posted on Twitter the like MGMT performing in

(01:04:27):
college and which obviously it was like damn a cocaine
to me watching that. But I do think more and
more of that is going to happen, like that nostalgia
and repurposing of twenty ten stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
I mean, it's it's time for it. It's just like
it's just there's just like a bucket of things that
happened in the twenty tens and there where there. People
are gonna keep fishing, putting their little fishing hooks in it,
and whatever comes up is gonna trend for a month.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Yeah, and it's gonna be like annoying because everyone's gonna
have to post about how it makes them feel old,
and that only adds adds to it. It's just going
to be this whole cycle over and over again.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
You know. Relate it to that Santa Gold renaissance now.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
That I would love, I would love it could fit
into that trend. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
She is one of these figures that's like maybe she
could save us, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
I think at any point she could pop in and
save us. Yeah, damn I love her. Okay, I know
I love her too. Okay, Okay, here's a specific one.
Do you know the actress Jane Adams. No, look her up.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
She was in The Idol most recently, and she's in
so many iconics. She's just like a classic andie film actress. Yes,
got it, Okay, I think she's going to have a
big you know when people did it with Laura duran
where they were like, she's like, she's been good consistently,
but she's never gotten her due. I mean it's different
because actually, Laura Durne had starring roles throughout her career,

(01:05:55):
whereas Jane Adams was always sort of a character actress.
But I think she has been so consistently good and
has never had her moment that I'm like, I'm seeing it,
like I'm seeing a sort of maybe it'll be some
indie movie she's in that does like really well in Toronto,
and then there's like a grassroots campaign, and then there's

(01:06:17):
like a Vulture article that's like Jane Adams has always
been that girl.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
She's gonna get like the Melanie Linsky treatments.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
Yes, yes, the Melanie Linsky treatment, because she is so good. Yeah,
She's good at both drama and comedy. She is so
like sort of like effortlessly cool in her own way.
She also is able to be both. She's able to
not be type cast. Like her role in The Idol
is so different than she plays Hannah Iminder's mom and hacks,

(01:06:46):
and she's like so like midwestern mom and hacks.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
Wow, I had forgotten about that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
She's actually in this amazing movie. Well amazing as generous,
but she's in this movie I believe called The Anniversary Party,
which is directed by Alan Cumming and oh god, Jennifer
Jason Lee. No wait, hold on, I'm looking it up.
Jennifer jason Lee allen coming.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Oh wow, you've nailed that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
But she's really she's definitely the best part of it.
So I just think it's gonna happen for her.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
I like this, Yeah, this is fun. I like when
you get really specific with it. I think that's fun.
I had an out okay that this is complicated, but
I think Florida is out like Sam, I think caring
about wait what I have?

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
So I have a third section called question mark, which
I can't decide if it's in or out, And it's
just two things it's Florida and it's satire. I literally
kept going back and forth because I was like, there
is an argument to be made for both. In some ways,
it's never been more in it is like Maga Central,

(01:08:03):
the like crazy just like the crazy like maximalism of
Florida is like really having a moment, uh huh. And
of course, on the other hand, it's like I'm so
sick of Florida as like a signifier of that kind
of American debauchery. Like it's like it's it's it's like

(01:08:28):
everyone's like, you know, having an orgy, and then an
alligator shows up, and then a woman with giant tits
like one of them pops and then she like floats,
and it's just it's such a like this sort of
like debaucherous like celebration of grossness and excess. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Yeah, And I think it's just like I think people
are sick of it. I think people are sick of
even jokes about it, and people are sick of like
caring about it. And so I think it's like like
there's it's gonna be crazy political things that happened under
Trump in Florida still like the burning whatever, it's like
like banning all these books, banning who knows what, like

(01:09:09):
trans people from going to bathrooms, and it's like, but
people are just gonna be like, well fuck it, like
that's Florida. I'm not gonna think about it in like
a weird way, Like yeah, I almost think like it's
sort of the same thing about you said going to
the ballet and stuff, where there's something about Florida where
it used to be like we've got to do something

(01:09:30):
or like or we got to make fun of them,
And now I think it's like they're their own thing,
and I don't really want to hear about it. No.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
It is sort of this weird amusement park people can
move to if they like don't want to be in
the real world. I my friend Tarpley, who's a journalist,
wrote like some big feature on how it's becoming like
Trump Central, and this was like three years ago, and
so through that she met all these kind of crazy characters,

(01:09:58):
and one of them is this woman. She has one
million Instagram followers, and her thing is she is a
realtor with comically giant fake boobs, like they're literally like
it looks like she's a cartoon. They're so large that
her dog can sleep, can lie on one of them
and take a nap on top of it. Whoa and
her and her entire feed is pro Trump and pro

(01:10:21):
Israel like disinformation, and she's like this, she looks like
one of the cock destroyers, like and she's literally like,
if there's three things you gotta know about me, I'm
a realtor, I have giant fake hits, and I love
Donald Trump. Like, and you're just sort of like, where
do we go from here?

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Where do we go from here? It's it's confusing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
Okay, let's see I have Oh, this is a quick one.
Solo shows are out like, oh oh, a sort of
this had, you know, things like the Nette and everything.
It had a long tail. Still they're doing relatively well
in Edinburgh and on Broadway. I mean, Baby Reindeer started
out as a solo show, you know, but I just

(01:11:04):
think I actually think Cole doing O Mary and having
it be a real play rather than a solo show
was like the death knell that solo shows needed, because
what people expected from Cole was to go to Omary
and have it be them doing like a monologue as
Mary Todd Lincoln.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
And I think the fact that they were able to
like not only not do that, but really succeed at
not doing that means that the new thing that people
are going to try is doing their own O Mary
rather than doing their own the net.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Damn, that is so smart. I think it's hard for
me to I hadn't thought about that because I even
even though I've seen Omary and I know it's not
a solo show, but to me, in my mind, I'm like, well,
that's Cole solo show, and it just fully is not.
It is a play. It is a play. Yeah, people
are going to do that. And I also think if

(01:11:59):
there are our solo shows, they're going to be very unseerious.
I think they're going to be silly, silly, silly. Yeah,
I think this self seriously.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
And they're gonna have a twist. Like I think it
could be that like part way through a second character
is introduced and you're sort of shocked because you're like,
I thought this was a solo show, or or it's
like actually, I was thinking about this when we had
Casey Jane Alison on the pod. That type of thing

(01:12:29):
could be a new take on it. It's like it
is a solo show in the sense that it's a
one woman show, but it is fictional and she's doing
different characters. Like that could maybe work. But what's out
is like a comedian having trauma and having a show
shaped around that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
If you have trauma, pack it up, Mama.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
Yeah, literally, go see you in Florida.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Oh okay, And actually this is a I have maybe
this will be my last okay, okay one, which we
talked about a little bit on the Alana episode. Well,
spoiler alert because this is coming up before that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
Oh yes, we have. We have a lot of Glazer
coming on.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
And I think therapy, but being chill about it, I
think the like like tongue in cheek, like fuck you
go to therapy is out. But I do think people
are going to be sort of like at a dinner
party and it'll be like, I mean, yeah, I am
in therapy. Like it's gonna be like there's going to
be an appropriate level of shame around it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
Yes, like therapy, talking about your therapist in the same
way you would talk about your primary care physician or
your dentist. It is not a cure all. It is
not like men need to go to therapy. It is
not dramatic. It is like just normal.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
And I know last year we said therapy is out.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
And it was then now it's back in.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
It's back in, and it's like but with a subtle twist.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
Yes, no, I think it's back in. And I think
that like, uh, now that the hype around it has
died down, we can just go to therapy normal.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
We can go to therapy normal.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Okay. I think I can just maybe like mention a
couple of other ones without going into them too much.
I think in the same way that gay men, in
my mind unsuccessfully ultimately tried to appropriate pearl necklaces. I
think the next stage of that is like New Mexico's
style turquoise jewelry. I think it's gay men wearing like,

(01:14:33):
you know, the turquoise jewelry that like a really liberal
mom would wear.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
That is so funny. That is so funny. And I
was kind of thinking of something similar, which I'm not
sure if I believe it or not, but I was like,
where do we stand on like a leather bracelet, because
we've done like these sort of tony soprano metal bracelets
and I still like that and I think that's fun.
But I am like there's a whole material that we're

(01:14:59):
forgetting about that like was dominant for a while. And
I wonder if it's gonna in a leather with a turquoise.
I think could really pop back in definitely, And I
don't like it. I don't think that looks good, but
but I do think it will. It could happen.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
Yeah, sculpture I think is in. Oh, I think it will.
I think it's actually like it's like the most anti
digital thing you could do is create three dimensional art,
you know what I mean. It's like the backlash against
our phone addictions, against social media addiction, against like everything

(01:15:39):
it's like, and also against things that don't require any skill.
It's like, even if your sculpture is just one cone,
at least you had to carve it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
You know. I like this a lot, and I even
think as home decor it's like a little fun, playful
thing because I've been noticing that I've been getting like
I found this like wooden dolphins sculpture, and I was like,
this is so playful, and yet in the in the
room it looks amazing. You're like, this is so funny

(01:16:11):
and I and I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
And then very quickly. I think that I think talking
about college campuses is out, but it will come back
very quickly. Yeah, Like I just think, like an obsession
with college campuses is out, but I think because this
stuff comes in waves, it's like give it a year. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

(01:16:35):
I think. I also think just like talking about stand
culture is out, like I think we did it. It
was sort of interesting for a second. It's such a
shortcut to trying to seem interesting to talk about, like
to talk about like the ills of stan culture, and
it's like, yeah, there's some people that are like kind

(01:16:55):
of insane that are on their computer all day. Oh
that will always exist. It's not it doesn't say anything
larger about our society.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
And I think also with things moving away from Twitter
and being more on TikTok, I think it's like less
I don't know. It feels like less faceless to be attacked,
so it's like less likely I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
And then my final thing is, just as I mentioned,
my two question marks were Florida and satire, And I
want to just spend like thirty seconds on satire because
I do think at some point I think we even
said satire was out last year because I think it
was its power was clearly diminished, Like there has not
been a powerful satire in a very long time. But

(01:17:38):
there is something about this new Trump era where I'm like,
if maybe everything is so discombobulated, everyone has sort of
admitted defeat in terms of our current forms of resistance
that I'm like, maybe there will just be a generation
defining satiricalject like art object of some sort.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
Yeah. I even think, like I know, he's you know,
been making these types of videos forever and he's been
like written about a million times, but I really think
it's like the Conra O'Malley style of like embodying the
evil man is going to continue to be more and
more popular and you're going to see a lot more
people doing it. And I think, like I and I

(01:18:23):
actually think I really like his style, and I think
he will, like I wonder what he'll do in this
new Trump era because it is like he has such
a way of like being insane about it that I
do think is like the only thing to do.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
I know, I know, I wonder. I've been actually really
wanting to watch the Boots Riley show I'm a verb.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
Oh yeah, I haven't seen that, but there.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
Was a you know, when Sorry to Bother You came out,
I was like, this is something like what if this
ushers in a new era of this kind of of satire?
And then I just think it's really hard to get
things like that made. Yeah, but I wonder if if
a Boots.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
Riley sort of more bald fasally like commenting on like
yeah money and like systems rather than like on like
Trump has a silly voice. Yes, yes, exactly, Yeah, And
I think that's a good, good idea.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
Yeah, I mean even the substance. I don't think the
substance is an amazing sad tire. I'm sorry to say,
but I think it is. You know, it's on the
right track.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
Hey. The more I sit with it, the more I'm like,
I love that movie.

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
No, I liked it, to be clear, I just don't
necessarily think it was like an amazing sad tire. I
think it was like an amazing kind of like crazy
over the top body horror movie.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. Well, I mean this
has been I think this has been good. I feel
like this is an electric episode. I feel very I
think I came in My were really cynical and You've
made me feel optimistic about the future. And and you know,

(01:20:01):
time keeps ticking and things change, and it's there's good
and there's bad, and I for one am excited.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
But and and let's just not get neutral or complacent.
You can you can take a step back and take
in what's going on around you. That's okay, but don't
accept it blindly.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
Yeah, have a nightcap and talk about communism.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
You're like, Nike apps is That's like maybe the biggest
idea we've had.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
I'm like being so excited. I'm like really, I'm like
imagining being out and being like, do you want to
have a nightcap at our place? Like? Oh, how fun? Wow?
Damn Okay, Well, well happy, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
And we hope you have an amazing sort of last
little stretch of the year. We hope you have a
wonderful New Year's Eve. We are so grateful listen and
thank you for sticking with us all these years. We
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Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
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