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Speaker 1 (00:19):
Hello all, It's Sam here to remind you guys about
the West Coast leg of our stand up tour, which
is just around the corner at the end of September
slash early October. We are going to San Francisco, Seattle, Portland,
and Los Angeles, California. We have added a second date
in Seattle and we have added a late show in
Portland because our first dates for both sold out, So

(00:43):
get tickets to those extra dates. And I believe there's
still tickets for both San Francisco and Los Angeles, but
I can't say that forever. Oh amazing voice crack, So
get tickets. Oh yeah, and also I'm doing a solo
stand up show in New York on November seventh a
Union Hall. It's gonna be small, intimate vibes. So basically,
get tickets to all of those shows at our bio.

(01:06):
And we have truly had so much fun doing co
headlining shows on the East Coast and we can't wait
to bring it to the West Coast. So see you
there and enjoy the episode. Xoxo Sam.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Podcast starts now what is ever up? Oh? Fuck?

Speaker 1 (01:21):
I fucked it up, Sam Fund We're gonna have to
re record. Well, we're off to a new start of
a new season, and I already fucked it up.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Oh that's right, it is a new season in the workroom.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yes, we're on season nineteen Austradio Lab.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Oh my god, I can't believe it's been nineteen years already.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
So many beautiful guests, so many amazing girls, so many girls.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Come and gone, these hallowed halls of the iHeart Offices.
And also, of course are apartments where we are right
now via zoom, via zoom, doing the iconic thing. Where
we're there's no way to make eye contact over zoom,
of course, so you know you have to. And this
is just part of modern life that we have to
be used to, is that I'm looking sometimes at you,

(02:09):
mostly at myself. Wow, let's be honest.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Let's be honest about that. Finally, I do am looking
at my hair.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
I do am looking at my hair.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
I do.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Let's get it trending, I do am looking at my hair.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Because I don't know if you've noticed, but I've actually
been brushing my hair forward a little bit.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
I've been going for a little bang.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Well that's all nice and good, but you are currently
wearing a hat, so it's a funny thing to mention
you're not sure if I've noticed, well, I.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Think you would notice even more than when I'm wearing
a hat, because when I wear a hat usually my
bang is under the hat, because I like, I think.
This is what I'm saying is this is rare to
have bang and hat.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
I see and now I am seeing it.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
You have.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
You have a baseball cap on, but there are bangs
coming down from it.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
They're coming down.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
They're coming down from it.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
And that's why I do. I am looking at my
hair because the new bangs.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
I do, I'm looking at my hair. As a Sabrina
Carpenter lyric, it's very that's that me espressola, that's that doe.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
I'm looking at my hair.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
That's the dua lipa. I'm looking at my hair.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
I have to ask, yes, okay, did you listen to
new Sabrina Carpenter.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
And the moment I said her name, I said, please
don't yes and me? Please don't yes and me because
I have not listened to a millisecond of this album.
And can I actually say something further?

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Okay the first one either you are fucking crazy.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
I don't know what I know that I'm I'm all
for her. I love that she's tiny and a comedian
and is both submissive and dominant, and everything she does
is both serious and a joke. And I think it's
fun that she has like some sort of you know,
Hanaka special on Hulu or whatever she's doing, and I
support her. I think it's nice that we have a
new comedy queen, because in an ideal world it would

(03:55):
be chopple. But she has a sort of serious streak
about her as well, which I also celebrate.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Eight of course.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
So yes, I love the idea of Sabrina Carpenter, and
I'm sure I would like her music. I have not
done a deep dive.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Well, this is crazy, and I just can't believe the
girls keep getting smaller and smaller and smaller.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
It's true, they're gonna be pocket sized. It's gonna be
poll pocket headlining Coachella and people are gonna say where
is she? The audience is gonna have to go little
magnifying glasses.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
It is crazy.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
This is unsustainable. We cannot get smaller than this. I
have a feeling that Dua Lipa is punishing us. Say more,
I think that Dua Lipa has taken a step back
from the limelight to say, you guys don't appreciate me, fine,
have fun with your little girls like and I'm like,
do stop punishing us. Have put out new music, like Yeah,
people didn't freak for the last album, but for the record,

(04:45):
I did. I was there supporting you the whole time,
start to finish, and I'm like, we need you back.
We need to clean up all these little girls. It's
time for a tall woman to take the stage once again.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Okay, I have two responses to this. I'm so glad
we're talking about this. First of all, I want to
say one thing speaking of height before I forget. While
I was in Greece, guess what film I rewatched with
my mother, Materialists, because it was the only thing playing
at the local open air cinema. And I said, my
mom's gonna love this. It's a sort of inoffensive romcom.
There's no explicit sex, and she can talk about how

(05:18):
Dakota Johnson has her father's face but her mother's acting style,
one of the many things she said post viewing experience.
And of course I'm talking about it because there is
a leg lengthening storyline and there is a focus on height.
Of course, But I want to say publicly, if you
live in New York and watched that movie and said
this is so random, Like this movie is so weird,

(05:41):
I have an amazing suggestion for you. Go outside New
York and watch it again. You're gonna love it. It's literally,
it's the narcissism of small differences, like because you keep
when you watch that movie, you're like, wait, why does
she want to go to Iceland? That's so random? Why
does she say she's making eighty K That's not what
she would say, Like why is she wearing that going there?
Why is he thirty seven but lives with roommates? Guess

(06:03):
what you're thinking too. Literally, if you leave, you'll realize
it's all just sort of metaphorical. All of these people
are symbols, and you're gonna enjoy it like it's a cartoon.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
As someone who watched it in Los Angeles, I said,
this is amazing. He said, I love this film. Thank
god they perfectly depicted New York.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
No exactly, And I actually felt like I was. I
felt like a loser for not liking it in the beginning.
I felt like one of those like people that are
like missing the point yeah. I was like, I can't
believe I missed the point. And the point is just
like whatever.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
The point is, like, isn't dating crazy? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (06:38):
The point is just isn't dating crazy? And isn't this
sort of random way to act if you're to go
to Johnson? So that's one. But wait, I want to
go back to Juliica because I have two thoughts. One
is in terms of height. I love Lady Gaga, but
sometimes when I see how short she is, I'm like,
can you get serious?

Speaker 1 (06:57):
I think if Lady Gaga were starting today, she would
be like the album would be called short, like because
short is valued right now? Yeah, she would be like
before she her whole thing has been like pretending to
be tall.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
But then she had five foot two.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Well that's when she was at her most vulnerable, and
she was like, people need to know.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
I'm short so they'll feel feel for me.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Everyone thinks I'm tall and they treat me as if
I'm tall, And she's like, actually, you don't understand I've
been short the whole time. That actually did make people
have some empathy.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yes, And I think she has always been playing with
concepts of tallness and shortness because of course she loves
wearing a really high heel and like that Alexander McQueen
chunky heel moment that was such a big part of
the Bad Romance era was of course commentary on height differences,

(07:49):
leg lengthening surgery, of course the poetics of being five
foot two, that said, I see her, I see her
doing her best. I see her being literally you know,
she's one of our best pop stars. And sometimes I
can help it. It's like when you have implicit bias
that you haven't investigated. I just find myself being like, grow,

(08:10):
if you want me to take you seriously, grow a
few inches, be taller, Come be taller.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
It's just not right what she's doing.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
So that's one thing. And then the second thing and
final thing read Dualipa, which I actually feel very strongly about,
is she's not disappearing right now. Here's what's happening. And
I say, this is someone who was just in Greece
and at the US Open there is du Lipa music
playing everywhere. And what's happening in this era of her

(08:39):
not releasing music is she is allowing her existing songs
to become canonized. If she had new music, people would
feel pressured to play that new music. What happened is
she released a lot of like very clearly, music that
will stand the test of time. She released a lot
of music that will stand the test of time in
quick succession, and there was no room for people to

(09:00):
process that. And I think what's happening now is you're
going to the US open, you're hearing even the Barbie song.
You're hearing even you know, the third single from Future Nostalgia,
and I think it's important for people to hear it
over and over again. You know, remember we were in
an early pandemic when some of this stuff was happening.
A lot of that stuff is being forgotten, and so
I really think this is an important two year period

(09:21):
where we have to be listening to the old stuff
to process it as what it is.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
This actually does make sense. You know, it's sort of
like I've never cooked.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
But I imagine sort of you know, you have to like
let the bread breathe a bit, like she has the
dough and she's letting it breathe, and you have to
like somebody's just let it sit.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yes, I think that's really smart.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
I think someone who, of course doesn't do that is
Taylor Swift. I think someone who doesn't do that is
even lately is a Charlie xcy X event. You're kind
of like, well, what a roof?

Speaker 2 (09:54):
You know? Who does it a little too much? Who travel?

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Really?

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Those girls?

Speaker 1 (10:01):
She's still touring this damn album that came out four
years ago.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
I'm like, yeah, I'm like, girl, girl, girl, Yoh.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
I'm truly like, you've got to put out a new album,
if only because this.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Is getting weird. Like I'm like, it's like watching a
friend do say the.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
Same set, yeah for years.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
It's like, yes, you can pull an old joke back,
but you can't do the exact same set.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
You know what's crazy. Obviously we know people that do
the same set over and over again, and uh, and
often what happens is like, okay, you're you want to
tape an hour of material, and so you have to
also have some filler in there. You have to bring
back jokes you haven't done in five years. Whatever that said.
When I was in Boston, we're talking, people would develop

(10:53):
a five minute set and do it word for word
for ten years.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
It was crazy, Like and at least the people we know,
the more sort of Brooklyn and Jason people, there's Subjois
de Vive and the improv of it all. When I
tell you there are people I was there for. I
lived in buds for two years. I would then occasionally visit.
I'm visiting seven years later. I'm seeing the same set
word for work.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
It's tough. It's tough. It's tough too because sometimes I'm like, well,
we can't get into it. But I'm like, whenever I
do that, I'm like, fuck, I want to kill myself.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
I know, but and sometimes I do, and sometimes I do,
like and I always know there's like one person who's
seen me a specific amount of times at at specific venues,
and they've seen me do the same set five years
in a row. And I'm like, I swear I'm actually
practicing new stuff, but just you happen to not here?

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah, just not here.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
So it is a new season of our podcast, Stradio Lab.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, what does that mean to you?

Speaker 3 (11:52):
You know, when you said we should address the fact
that it's a new season, my immediate thought was, I
don't care.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, I know that was interesting.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
I think it's one of those things that we know
about and no one else is paying attention to. Everyone
is just pressing play on the latest episode. I think
it'd be one thing if we had like a summer
break that we were coming back from. But I was
just like, I don't think anyone is thinking in terms
of seasons. But then I was convinced by the power
of back to school.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
The power of back to school.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
Like it actually is the one season in the same
way that or in the opposite way that Awards season
has actually lost its power over the years. I no
longer care about the season of awards. Back to school season.
It's kind of like the only thing we have left
that tethers us to time because school does start in September.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
There's no getting around it. School starts. I think it's
interesting that you feel this way.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
I mean, first of all, I of course love back
to school and I want to talk more about that
as a concept, But I personally feel that announcing new
season starts now is so if there's anything a wedding
taught me, and if there's anything I'm learning, you know,
wedding and even career is everything sort of made up
like you are.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Nothing is like bestowed upon you by a higher power.
You actually just decide, like I want attention now for this.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Totally, so like wedding was like, oh, actually, no one's
gonna be like you should get married now. You just
have to be like I've decided I want attention now
for this and then like saying like new season. It's
sort of like, actually, we have to just decide that
this is important, even if it like technically doesn't matter,
like we have to decide among.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
Okay us, you're actually important. You're pointing to exactly my issue.
If we were to decide it proactively, I would be
in favor of it. But because it actually literally isn't
like we just together everyone to peek behind the curtain.
We literally signed a we're signing a contract for a
new year. Sure, so it is a literal it is
a literal new season that is in fact, get this

(13:57):
beyond our control. It just has to do with when
the kind ended and the new one began. That's it's
like how I don't like It's like how I don't
care about birthdays because I'm like, well, I didn't accomplish anything,
like my birthday is just time naturally passing, Whereas I
do want attention for wedding because that is something that
I did.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
You have chosen interesting.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
I think it's a bootstrap. It's a bootstrap American dream mentality,
Like I only want attention when I feel like I've
earned it well, so I.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Don't limit myself. I want attention both. I want attention
when I choose, and I want attention when it's bestowed
upon me by a date. So when it's my birthday,
I'm ready to get attention, and when I'm ready to
make something feel important, I'm ready to get attention for
that as well.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
And I actually think your, of course, culture is moving
in that direction because there's no such thing as quality
over quantity anymore. It's just about pretending every it's about
pretending every day is the big launch.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
And in a sense, every day is a launch.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
In a sense, every is a launch. And you would
think it used to be that if you were to
do a launch every day, you would dilute the significance
of the launch. But here's what happens now with algorithmic
recommendations is you do a launch every day, just trusting
that some people will see the Tuesday launch, some people
will see the Wednesday launch, some people will see the
Thursday launch, and you don't actually have to be embarrassed

(15:22):
about launching three times in a row.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
And on days when you sleep too late. That's a
soft launch.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
Oh well yeah, and that's can be even more powerful
than a hard lunch.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
I It's just like, if we hadn't celebrated a new season,
would we have actually ever fake celebrated a new season?

Speaker 2 (15:42):
No? I know.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
I guess My thing is like, well, you know, we
can celebrate our tour, you know, we can celebrate doing
a certain comedy festival that we are in the process of,
in the process of signing the big paperwork for you know,
these are the things that we have accomplished. But of course,
and and guess what, here's the other thing. I have
this guilt. It's the first episode of the new season.

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I didn't prepare something big. We're at the launch and
I forgot to wear my big suit that the brand
sent me because I'm a spokesperson for the big brand,
you know, And so I'm showing up to the launch,
I'm wearing a shirt I've already worn in public.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Oh my god, not at the launch.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
So that's that's my other concern is I'm like to
set expectations as this is a new thing. And not
have something to back that up.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
With that actually makes so much sense to me.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
And that's why I was when we talked before this recording,
I was like, oh my god, we have to decide
what topics we're going to talk about today to prove
that it's the big launch.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
There's something I want to say, but which I wonder
how boring this is. But Selve, I think we have
in a sensement on a summer break, like we we Yes,
it wasn't all summer, but there's our last episodes we
haven't We haven't done like a straightforward episodisode in like
over a month because we did a re release, we

(17:04):
did the Calling, we did the Joe.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
App, which is a book club app normal.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
So it's actually been quite a while since we've done
a normal app.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
And guess what else, this isn't a normal f fuck
So this is actually the official month anniversary, one month
anniversary of no normal EPs. So this has been no
normal EPPS summer.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
I'm gonna say it. This is a soft launch.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
We are not a hard launch.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
This is a soft launch.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
And guess what that takes the pressure off. I now
feel suddenly comfortable calling it a new season because there's
no pressure I need a hard launch.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Suddenly your clothing makes sense. Yeah, with in the big suit.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
And not only does it make sense, it will be
really pathetic if I showed up in the big suit.
Can you imagine to the soft lonch this is We're
talking like this is a a dinner at a buzzy restaurant,
but not even a full buyopp It's like they we
just got the long table and it's family and friends,
you know what I mean. It's yes, it's sponsored by
a brand, but it's like a minor candle brand.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
I mean, if you're not doing full buyout and you
wear a suit, that's crazy, honey, they're gonna be talking
about you.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Yeah, because guess what that implies is for me, the
big event is the non buyout soft launch. I could
never even dream of going well to a full buy
out hard lunch.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
I'm like, it's such a soft launch, the long table.
I'm even getting scared they're gonna make me pull on
my credit card. That's like it's actually not confirmed whether
or not we have to pay completely.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
And I think that's like the unspoken drama of the
soft launch. Yes, and we're honestly both of us are
sort of like pissed the whole time because we're like, okay,
so like have we made it or have we not
made it? Like is this soft launch covered by the
brand or did they just donate the candles out on
the table.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
I'm addicted to soft launch. I'm talking about software's hard.
I'm realizing that most of my life is soft launching.
I am addicted to soft launching. And sometimes it's like
have a backbone hard launch And.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Can I just say something?

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (19:09):
I think soft versus hard is one of the most
under explored binaries we have. When you ask someone what
are the main binaries in the world, no one would
dare say soft versus hard. But I think it can
be applied to so much m hm. It can be
applied as like the amount of effort you put into
something like I can sometimes be soft emailing versus hard emailing.

(19:32):
Oh my god, I can sometimes be soft. Well, not
anymore because I'm of course married, but let's say I
we're single. I can be soft dating hard dating.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
That's true. There's soft going out, there's hard going out.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
There's even frankly soft consuming of like media or a
book or anything in hard consuming like the you know,
the like second screen experience. You know, I'm watching Great
British bakeoff while frankly having a full on conference call
with my business team.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
This is so interesting.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
I've been trying to practice hard leisure, which is like
really purposefully doing a leisurely activity. Like it's like it's
not enough to sort of lay around on my phone.
Like if I'm being leisurely, I'm bringing my book outside
and sitting under a tree.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, like I'm hard leisuring.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
No, that's not only as hard leisuring important, because I
also just hard leisured for a full like I would
say eight days, Like when I was in Greeceed with
my family and I deleted Instagram from my phone, I
would re download it exactly once a day to post
a real from our podcast because we're of course trying
to put more content out there because it's a quantity

(20:44):
over quality world that we're living in. But I really
was like, I'm leaving my room and I'm bringing just
my book.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
I'm addicted to hard leisure as a phrase. I actually
think that really sounds nice.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Do you feel like you've succeeded, because I do feel
like for the first time in years, maybe even since
pre pandemic. I like relaxed.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah, I think I've actually succeeded. I think I'm kind
of in an amazing place when it comes to leisure
and media consumption. It's all very purposeful and thank god, Wait,
there's something about Oh, I guess I want to of course,
it's it's it would we would be remiss to not
bring up penises when talking about hard soft, like it's

(21:31):
obviously implied and everything we've been talking about. But I
just want to say, it's not a quality. We're not
saying hard and soft like some There is a space
for a soft, and there is a space for a hard,
and I actually, of course, my big critique is that
people want their penises only hard. And I'm saying that
I want to see hard and I want to see soft.

(21:51):
I want both. There's a time and a place for both,
and I'm sick of people pretending like the only value
is a hard one.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Where do you stand on semis?

Speaker 2 (22:00):
I'm okay with them.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yeah, there's sometimes a dishonesty to semis that I don't appreciate.
I was at the beach recently and there was you
know that you know that gay guys are mutilating their
genitals on a day to day basis crazy. But I
saw like a salined dick, which, for those who don't know,
you can inject saline into your dick and it looks

(22:24):
like a big balloon.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
And that's what inject me. I'm a free bitch means
from the Lady Gaga song Dance in the Dark, Keep Going.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
So there was a guy that was kind of like
saline to look like he had like a permanent semi basically,
and then he had like a thong on and like
a really loose pouch, so it was like a dangly
and I'm like, this is so unsexy to me. It
looks like you have a doukie in your pants. You
are walking around with a dookie and you're like jiggling

(22:54):
around being like look at this, and I'm like, it
looks like a poo poo in your pants. This is
not hot or sexy. It actually much sexier if it
was normal size. And and okay, this guy had this
this saline dick. Then he had a necklace on that
said daddy in guess what the Barbie font. Oh in

(23:20):
the Barbie font it said daddy and then it was like, also,
like much larger than it should be.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Then he gets his shirt on to leave and it
says like, come in me, it's my birthday.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
And it's like that's too many signifiers, Coco Chanel, take
one off. This is too much. You had me at
saline dick like.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
It didn't clearly he didn't have sailing dick. You said,
get that dick away from my face.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
He's just like, I get what you're get that you're
like a slutty guy, Like I get no, I know,
I know, I know, yeah, and like I just it's
truly just like you have to have some depth in
your life. Your whole thing can't be I am sex like,
find some depth, read a book. M sorry this I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
This is really I realized this guy made me mad
and I needed just place to talk about it. It is
tough because he's if he's a listener. He's like, well,
that was definitely me.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
I mean right, you are definitely describing just one person.
This isn't a that, this isn't an amalgamation of different people.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
This is one guy who was in front of me
at the beach. You know.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
The barbie fun is interesting because I wonder if like
he bought that during Barbie Fever and hasn't realized that
it's time to retire it, which is how I feel
when I see people wearing the Brat shirts or like
the three six five Party Girls shirts, and I'm like, yeah, God,
do you want to do we need to go somewhere
like I can give you a T shirt.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yeah, I'm like, this is ironic, Right, you're like playing
with the form, Right, You're like doing that thing where
someone writes a book about four years ago.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Oh totally yeah, yeah, you're doing Eddington Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
you're actually going Eddington mode by wearing a Barbie font necklace.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Damn, Eddington Mode is so correct.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
Eddington Mode is actually like a pretty big.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Concept because I do think it's so funny to talk
about the very recent past. Well, of course, I think
it's one of the more interesting things one can do.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Well, sometimes you'll see a post on a social media
platform that's like we don't talk enough about how good
the Giver by Chapelona is, Like, well, it's still out,
like it's still in cycling. It's literally in like the
Spotify New Music playlist.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Eddington Mode.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Did you ever read that book that was called like
a very recent history or something.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Wait, the Corey Seka book.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Maybe it came out in like twenty twelve or twenty thirteen,
was about like two thousand and eight, and.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
It was like a Gawk. It was like about the
Coker Cory Ska. Okay, so okay, Actually it's funny you
mention him. So Corey's obviously I'm an early Cocker person
that one of the co founders of the All he's
now at York Well he wasn't York magazine and now
I think he's somewhere else. Anyway, do you know my

(26:13):
connection to him? When Gaker relaunched, he wrote an article
about it for New York mag and in it he said,
Cocker is now mostly women and one PARENTHESI is extremely
gay man.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Well then I was like, you know, obviously I was
very flattered because I was like, what an amazing like
I was very flattered that someone I look up to
as a writer, you know, would in his own way
like past the baton by being like I was the
gay guy during this era. You're the gay guy this era.
And I, you know, I made some joke about it.

(26:51):
We had a back and forth. Then I ran into
him at some event, like truly two weeks later, and
he introduces himself to me as though he doesn't know
who I am.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Interesting.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
I was like, interesting, seeing what mind games you're playing here?

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Do you ever build up when you're going to meet
someone that like someone that you know from the internet.
I had this recently where I built up like I
was like, oh, we're going to be at the same event,
Like we are going to be at the same event.
This is such a long time coming, and I can't
wait for how funny this is going to be that
we finally get to meet.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, and then they're like they treat you like you're
a stranger, and I'm.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Like, no, we have like an online thing going on.
And it's like it's not impolite. They're not like ignoring
you or something. They're just like, oh, hi, I believe
we've met before, and I'm like, hello, obviously we haven't
met before. The whole point of this is it it's
notable that we're meeting.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
So this is something I learned. I would say, like
approximately twenty nineteen, I was like, wait a minute, I've
never had a satisfying first physical interaction with an online friend,
I was a little bit like, I was like, wait
a minute. And it's the realization that people that are

(28:07):
fun on the internet are often weird in person. Yeah,
And then of course it makes you be self reflective
because you're like, am I one of those people? Am
I not to say that I'm fun on the internet,
but at the time, I was very active on social
media platforms, and I was like, is am I one
of these people that is like weird in person? My
eyes are darting everywhere and I'm not making eye contact
and I'm sort of being awkward and then going to

(28:28):
my phone and being like that feel when Bay is
squad and then it's going viral.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Damn.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
I'm really racking my brain to try to think. I
want to disprove because I need optimism, I need to believe.
And I'm like, but maybe you're right, Like maybe I
have a fiction in my mind of like there's there's
a fantasy of seeing the person who you've interacted with
online and you just go like you basically scream and
you go like, ah, I know, like I can't believe

(28:59):
we're finally fucking meeting. I think the sadder version is like, yes,
people online are famously weird and they're gonna be awkward
when you meet them. But even worse is like building up.
It's so sad to build up a relationship and realize
it's one sided, like be like, oh I have I've
thought of us as like internet completely That is fucking pitiful,

(29:21):
and I do it often.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
No, it's been a long process to not do it.
There was one time when someone I felt like was
my internet friend posted a literal fake news article. It
was like from like a website that's meant to trick you.
And I replied, in my thinking as a as a friend,
like being like, oh, like this is fake, this is

(29:46):
not real. And he took it as an attack and
then and then was like I never said it was real,
Like why are you like why are you you know,
talking back or whatever, and I was like, whoa.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
That is scary, And he.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Afterwards tweeted something along lines of like Twitter people are
so self aggrandizing and like think they're right about everything.
I was like, who whoa, whoa? Whoa. I'm not a
Twitter person, I'm a friend.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
I need to know who this is so bad.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
I'll tell you later. And meanwhile here's what's scarier. The
day later, we went back to having the relationship we
always did. Like, it's just like this. He's like Internet,
He's like, Internet is not real. I'm like, I can
lash out if I want to. I can go back
to being to having you know, conversations if I want to.
It's like, it doesn't count.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
If I were to talk to a therapist, which as
we know, I canonmically don't believe in. If I were
to talk to a therapists, it would be about there's
something about how that I actually get so freaked out
when I realize the fragility of all relationships, like there
is something where like that is my greatest fear is
you will message someone and they will like.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Take you in a wrong sense and almost assume the worst.
And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no no no no,
like take.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Everything I say with a grain of like, and I
love you like there is no ill will there never
will be, and if there is, I simply wouldn't be
messaging you. Like you have to assume the best for
me always, and people don't do that. And that's that's freaky.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
It's freaky. It's freaky, and our country is broken.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Our country is fucking broken, y'all. I today, you sent
me a Tucker Carlston clip. Can we be honest you
sent me a clip?

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Well, okay, I wasn't like endorsing it, but I you know, listen,
there's something happening that we have to address, which is
which is that these people are really funny.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
It's crazy he this clip.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
By the time this episode comes out, it'll be long
gone and well over. But he calls Pete Bluja a
fake gay guy, and it is like then they talk
about they do an analysis of his career where they
talk like say, he's like really climb me and whatever,
and then they say that they want to ask him
questions about gay sex to see if he could answer them,
and it literally feels like it could be our words.

(32:11):
I was like genuinely blown away. One I did think
it was funny, and I was like kind of scared
because I was like, this is such a valid critique,
like obviously he's not actually a fake gay guy, duh.
But I was like, but I see what they mean,
Like we have said this, like we have like referred
to Buddha Judge as like an archetype.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Yeah, and it's interesting. I was really we were both
in really bad movies. Today.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
We were reflecting on that before we started recording, and
you sent me that clip and it was the first
light of joy that I felt today, and I was like,
oh my god, this is how people genuinely turn Republican,
Like they see a clip at a point where when
they are low and then they are Republican.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
I know it's tough to overstate in an era of
like I'm sorry to use this term because I hate it,
but like vibes based you know, conversation and politics, just
the strength that just like looking at someone who looks
like they're having fun has like you see that clip.
I think Tucker Carlson is one of the worst people

(33:12):
to ever exist, but you see that clip and you're like,
he's like laughing, he's joking with his buddy, he's having fun.
He's not I mean, obviously in other instances he is
being like completely self aggrandizing and annoying and self righteous
or whatever. And this specifically, I'm saying, like, if you're
being inundated with little short form videos and then that

(33:34):
one comes up, you're gonna laugh.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
You're gonna laugh.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
I want to talk about this speaking of real gay guys. Yes,
I want to talk about the Stephen Phillips worst article,
the Peak of gay Slightdiness.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Yes, the Peak of gay' lightiness in New York mag
It's funny. Someone the other day called it a personal essay.
I would say it's a classic, like reported trend piece.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Yeah, it's sort of looking.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
At I think it's like diagnosing, and I say diagnosed
in a morally neutral way. It's diagnosing like a real thing,
which is that we are in a very particular and
new kind of moment when it comes to gay sex
and gay socializing in large urban areas.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Yeah. I thought it was a very accurate portrayal.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
And so basically he was sort of talking about how,
you know, G culture, drug culture is reaching a peak,
and like sort of anonymous sex culture is reaching a peak.
And it wasn't sort of like a It wasn't condemning
as much as it was just like holding a mirror
and saying, like, here is what is happening.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
It wasn't condemning at all. I think it was self
deprecating just the right amount. Like he is making fun
of himself, he's calling himself old, he's saying like, I
feel kind of you know, we've talked a lot about
how being in your thirties is this chasm that you
have across as a gay man because you are no
longer a young twenty year old and not yet a daddy,

(35:05):
so you just are in this in this invisible middle area.
And he also correctly contrasts it to past eras of
gay promiscuity and gay debauchery by sort of saying that
it's like has this ethos that's very Silicon Valley and

(35:27):
very like it's like we're trying to maximize every second.
Rather than seeking out pleasure, we're seeking out productivity. Productivity.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
Yeah, And like for anyone who doesn't know, see, this
is where it gets complicated, because I'm like, you want
to be talking about this only with an in group.
I want to What I was about to do is
explain what g is and explain what we're talking about.
And I'm like, okay, well, then we're almost like presenting
this problem to a straight listener and having them gowk

(36:01):
at a specific kind of gay lifestyle, whether or not
we are part of that lifestyle. And I don't want
to do that. And that is the criticism that Stephen
got Is being is people being like, why are you
quote unquote airing out our dirty laundry, our being you know,
with the queer community in this instance, like most of
gay guys.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Yeah, I thought it was an interesting critique because, like,
obviously the fear I understand, like if that article gets
in the hands of one single Republican, we are fucked,
like like it is just everything that they dislike and
would like try to shut down. But it's also sort
of like it's New York magazine like like I'm sorry,

(36:40):
Like the benefit of print being dead is like the
only gay guys are reading this like it's fine.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Well, on the other hand, though, what happens is everything
is like there's this sea of unseen content and at
any given time someone could choose like pluck out one
of them and make that the story of the day.
There's no sense of context anymore. Like that thing.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
It could be.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Something on someone's personal blog, It could be that someone
do you remember this? Like there was one random girl
on Twitter that got a PhD in something that sounded
fake and she was like, it's my graduation, Like I
got a PhD in studying like olfactory esthetics in nineteenth
century literature. And then someone was like, oh.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
She studied smells.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
This is what they're doing in college, and then that
became the story.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Of the day.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
This is just the you know. And so there's something
about the sheer quantity of content that both makes you
feel safer because you're like, well, no one's listening, but also,
at any given time, your thing is could be the
thing that's plucked out. At any given time, any of
our clips could be taken out of context and beyond
Tucker Crolson. So anyway, but of course that's not a

(37:52):
reason not to write a trend piece for New York Magazine.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
I did find the critique to.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Be like, we need to have this conversation with each other,
to be like honestly dead, And I was like, what
do you mean we are having it?

Speaker 3 (38:03):
Yeah, Like there's also there's also not one conversation. There
are conversations I'm having with my friends. And then I
also want to read an article that is funny, well
written and diagnoses a problem and is written and edited
by two gay guys that know this world and live
in New York City and like, sorry, but that's how
it is.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Yeah, I thought it was a really smart and funny article.
I also thought the idea obviously this kind of relates
to me talking about Speedo Guy earlier saline Cock, which
is that like there I have been bothered by that
the quantity over quality when it comes to gay sex,
Like there is the like I want eleven loads is like, okay,

(38:46):
calm down, Like it's like, how about you have one
load that's really fun? Like like it is just like
a numbers game, is not It's like a way to
de sexualize sex. And I'm like, what it's the point
if you're like, if it's not sexy anymore.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Well, a recurring thing in Stephen's article and part of
the Silicon Valley ethos of this whole thing, is the
attention to numbers in math. You know, when you are
doing g you can only take it needs to be
very carefully dosed. So the sort of stereotype which is,

(39:24):
you know, which we have seen around us and is
described in this article, is that you'll see gay guys
and all their Apple watches will go off at the
same time, and that means it's like time for the
next nose, you know. Contrast that to a table of
gabbing goals that are having their martinis. It just it
is less sorry.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Fabulous, it's less fabulous, it's less fabulous, less glamorous.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
So there's that. There's the number of loads, which is
another like counting counting thing. I'm curious about your experience
with it because people talk a lot about like a
shift in Again, I keep using the word vibe, like
a vibe shift, And this has been a real one

(40:09):
for me. Like I was on Fire Island this summer
and I went to two parties in a row where
there was no alcohol available. Yeah, and the reason is
because you can't drink when you're on G. And so
the the implication is that that's what everyone that's like
the new it is norm Yeah. And I would go
so far as to say, even if that is normal,

(40:31):
the nice thing to do would be to host a
party and put various options out for people and one
of them, you know, it could be like a bottle
of wine and then think of tequila with mixed or whatever.
But it's not just that the G isn't your normal.
It's that it's like it's sort of there's an in
group out group dynamic.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Yeah, there's a bit of a warring warring factions because
the people who drink alcohol are judgmental to the people
that do G and people that do G are udg mental.
The people that drink alcohol like they're sort of like, okay, Grandpa,
you're still drinking alcohol. So it's kind of like okay,
but like like or they're like, you think G is
bad for you, alcohol is bad for you, and I'm like, true,

(41:09):
but it's like the socially, I'm like, but it's there's
a rich tradition.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
This is like the bad for you that.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
None of us are doing anything good for us.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Yeah, we're gonna do something bad for us. It's it's confusing,
it definitely. I mean I almost like in a.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
In a distancy way, how it makes me feel kind
of old.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
To drink alcohol.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Still I'm sort of like, oh, I'm like an old
gay guy who like can't stop drinking alcohol, Like this
is so classic. But then I'm also like, wait, but
I want to be like of the now.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
But I yeah, I'm the.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
Culture does not appeal to me, I have to say.
And I actually don't think I understand why you're using
the word judgmental. And of course there's judgment coming in
all directions. I like to think. I'm not it's not.
I don't think it's judgment. I think it's like in
the same way that I know I am not gonna
look good in skinny jeans, so I'm not gonna wear them.
That is something I don't want to do because I

(42:05):
don't think it like is what would make me feel good.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
You're telling me if there's a bitch rolls up in scannadions,
you're not gonna be a little judgment. You're telling me
a gay guy rolls up jeans, your eyes are rolling
a bit.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
You know what.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
Else. I'm sorry, but like I hope this isn't too controversial.
But so Steven's article came out again. It is described
it's basically like a I would say, it's like a
portrait of a moment in time. He's describing a couple
of parties he went to. He's describing a couple of events.
He's describing a changing party culture, let's say. And so
he is referencing certain parties in New York by name.

(42:45):
He's referencing certain individuals and certain like nightlife personalities. And
there has been a backlash in the nightlife community. That
is the crux of which is like, why are you
like naming specific people in places because it could like,
you know, shut down or to get them shut down.

(43:05):
These are vulnerable people. Also, there's this kind of like
weaponizing of identity because it's like these are LGBTQ plus
precarious performers and creators and whatever. And what's your take
on that?

Speaker 1 (43:26):
I mean, I think it's a valid critique, especially the
names of parties. Like there is something where it's like,
if it reminds me, do you remember that New York
Times article about Zeppelite that came out like four years
ago or something. Yeah, ye, Well basically I went to
Zipelite after that article came out, and that article was
about how it had become like a gay place and

(43:46):
how there was all this cruising and like it was
sort of debaucherous, and it was also a portrait of
like shifting cultures where it used to be like hippie
nudists and now it's like slutty gay guys fucking.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
On the beach.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
And the thing about that was like it wasn't the
residents of Zepiliday, from my understanding, weren't like, oh this sucks.
But the police then had to be like we're being
embarrassed because we've kind of like turned a blind eye
to this, and now it's being published that this is happening,
and so now we have to pretend to or not
even pretend. We basically have to like cover our asses

(44:18):
and like start doing raids so that we don't look
like we're fucking letting this happen. And so people in
Zeplio we're talking to us about like that article fucked
things up in that way where it's like the police
had to do something because it was so public and
like because before that everything was kind of everyone was
at peace. And my fear is that like there is

(44:39):
in New York, there is like a blind eye being turned.
People are aware that there's like drugs and illicit stuff
at parties, like that's that's parties, Like yeah, but now
the police like have to not look embarrassed and and
have to like sort of raid these places.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
If that would be my fear.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
And so I do understand a little bit where it's
like you if you could anonymize the names of parties,
that could prevent them from being so specifically targeted. But
I also like, I it's tough because I don't know
how seriously to take things. I'm often like, like, you know,
just say it and see what happens. But I could

(45:19):
see I guess how that is a valid critique.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
With things like this. I mean, as always both sides
are right, but I also just think we journalism is
like is a classically like a moral thing, like it
just like, yes, you are always airing out people's dirty laundry,
like and frankly, I think people and especially younger people,

(45:43):
have become so used to toothless culture reporting that is
just like parroting TikTok trends and it'stead really like what
does everyone think about performative males? And then it's quoting
tiktoks that people have forgotten, like yeah, you have to
get your hands dirty if you're gonna act report on
the culture, which, by the way, I like, don't generally

(46:05):
speaking have the courage to do. Like I remember when
I was at Cockra, I was like, I so many
of the things I would edit. I'd be like, I
don't know if I would have the hudspu to like
write this myself with my name attached to it. And
I think it's like you have to have a very
specific personality type to be able to like risk a
certain level of reputation, risk a certain hit to your

(46:28):
reputation because obviously if you report something correctly, there's gonna
be people that look bad. There's gonna be people that
feel exposed. There's gonna be people with power that are
mat it you. There's gonna be probably people without power
that think that you're exploiting them. Like that's just that
is what the truth is.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Yeah, I agree. I do think that's where Steven.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
I'm like genuinely so impressed with the article because I'm like,
this is like such a cheesy word to use, but
I was like it was like brave, like to literally
ostracize yourself in that way.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
He is.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
He has been banned from parties. Really yes, this has
been like part of the pollout.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
I thought it was like, so yeah, it was like
cool that he did it because I was like, that is.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
So you're like you're alienating yourself. It's tough. And he's
always been really good at He's got bite in like
a crazy way he does.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
He does have bite, and it actually I think like
I was actually talking a lily about this. It's almost
like he there's two parts of his personality. There's an
interpersonal When you talk to Steven, he's like so sweet
and so funny and like just very intellectually curious and
smart whatever. Then his writing persona is a different thing.

(47:40):
It's like he is it's also intellectually curious, but it
is a he's like out for blood.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
Yeah he really really is.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Yeah, it's very interesting. I also found I don't know
what your experience is, but I found that like, when
looking on the internet, the reaction was very discoursey, and
then whenever I talk to anyone in real life they
were like, oh, yeah, totally I agree with that whole article.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
I thought it was genius.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
Well what that literally relates back to the TikTok trend
piece versus real life trend piece thing. It's like, yes,
everything you see on the internet is stupid, not to
paint in broad strokes, but it's like, can you imagine
how much of a loser you have to be to
get on the internet and tweet that you disagree with
an article?

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Damn go off? Yeah totally fuck.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
But again I get. It's also like there are different outlooks,
Like there are when you are working in nightlife and
when you're working in these spaces, like of course you're
going to see someone that is ostensibly a reporter in
this instance as the villain like you are you are?
This is you know, you don't want someone drawing attention

(48:47):
to your party or to your event, But it's also
the risk you take when you want something to be
buzzy and to be popular, is that someone will write
about it.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
That's yeah, yeah, it's the it's the toss up. That's tough. Damn.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
I don't even know where to go from here, to
be quite honest, I'm like, it's so hard to find
a new topic after I know going into this that
was that was a serious one.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Here's something I.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Want to talk about is so we both saw weapons,
and specifically I want to talk to.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
You about like the gay guys in it.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
I want to see what your opinion on the gay
performances was in weapons.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
You know, this is a tough one because like, I
can't tell how serious I want to be about it. Obviously,
it's funny when they were shopping for Cereal, and it's
funny that they're Disney gays wearing matching Mickey matching seven
hot dogs. But there was something about it where I
was like, wait, so of all the characters, they're the

(49:55):
butt of the joke like that, And again, I I'm
not offended but by it, but I'm like, so, if
if they're gonna be like camping over the top and
quote unquote stereotypical in this way, then are you also
going to do that with other stereotypes or are you
gonna have like are you gonna, I don't know, have

(50:15):
the woman character be like I'm on my period. It's
like everything else was played pretty straight, and then the
gay guys were like a comedy sketch.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Well, like, so Josh Brolin is like a Republican coded guy, yeah,
and yet he's like actually really reasonable.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
And he's like a hero. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
And then the gay guys are like literally just like
doing a bit the whole time. But the thing is
the bit was funny, of course, and I was like,
there's something about it, but I was like, this is
kind of for for gays that would live in that
type of town. I was like, they would be wearing
McKey mouse.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
And that's exactly You're exactly right. Is it is classic,
like it's small town gays that were clearly when they
were younger. Bull went through a hard time and god,
they like came on the other through to the other side,
and one of them is the school principal and he
has this hot husband and they're like, so they can't
believe their luck that they are in this like lovely
domestic situation and they're eating seventeen hot dogs and watching

(51:17):
nature documentaries. So it is true that that would be
that that would be what they're like, but it actually
made me because you know, the what's his name, Zach Greig,
Gregor Greigor. He's like a comedy guy, and I'm sort
of like, okay, so you have it in you puts
sprinkle some more comedy. I mean there was other There
was obviously Aunt Gladys's comedic and the Final Sequences comedic,

(51:41):
but I'm like, you could have made the Josh Brolin
character way funnier, make him like a crazy conspiracy QAnon guy,
or you could have made the teacher like even more
of a mess with the alcoholism, like let's go broad.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
I do agree.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
I thought she was sort of miscast, to be honest,
because I'm like, so she's like an alcoholic mess. Why
is she snatched as fuck? And like Soto skin is gorgeous.
I'm like, we need somebody who's like a little bit
beat up.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
I can really agree. I actually think the cognitive dissonance
when it comes to insanely hot actresses on screen has
reached a fever pitch.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Yeah, totally, something's not connecting. People are like, well, if
it's a woman, she has to be as hot as
fucking possible.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
It's crazy, and she has to have like the most
beautiful Christian girl autumn wavy hair.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Yeah, yeah, those damn beach waves.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
That said, I do think Julia Gardner is a great.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Actress, of course, did I for I want to say
also about Zach Kreiger, did you see Barbarian?

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Yes, because he does have a way of like when
is it justin long is that his name?

Speaker 3 (52:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (52:48):
When he's like's up vaggot like answers the phone like that.
I've like I've never felt more taken care of total
because I was like, he understands sort of that homophobia
is real and you're allowed to show it like it's
like that is it's like not patronizing, it's like respectful
to almost show like a gay stereotype where it's like

(53:10):
you actually do kind of get it.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
There's I almost feel.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Like respected when someone shows light homophobia.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
I know, I mean, I do think Barbarian I'm like,
did I like Barbarian better?

Speaker 2 (53:23):
I think you definite did I did like Barbarian Better.
To be completely honest, I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry I
have that opinion.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
No, I think both of us also saw weapons way too.
You know, it's like you, You're hearing everyone talk about
it and it's amazing and Aunt Gladys is to die
for and all this stuff, and of course it's too late,
and then there's no way to go but down because
it's so overhyped. I liked I liked weapons.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
I liked weapons, and.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
I appreciate that alcoholism allegory of like Ont Gladys is
alcoholism or is addiction?

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Oh? Is that? Oh?

Speaker 3 (54:02):
Okay, okay, So let me explain, and I can't remember.
One of the ways it's being interpreted is that Aunt
Gladys symbolizes addiction, and so she first she can turn
you against people you love, which she does with the
gay couple, and then also when it's with when she's
staying with the parents, she's making them incapacitated and lethargic,

(54:27):
and so the son has to step into parental roles
by feeding them soup and taking care of them and
all this stuff, which mirrors Zach Kreiger's own relationship with
his I think father, who was an alcoholic. You know,
it sort of like forces the child to grow up
too soon and to step into the p rental role.

(54:47):
Interesting and what I actually thought, if you take that
to its conclusion, what I thought was interesting was that
the end, and sorry they're spoilers, at the end, when
you are told that some of the kids started talking
a year later, it's like, so, just because the demon
was defeated, aka, you know, sobriety or whatever you want
to say, doesn't you know the trauma remains.

Speaker 4 (55:10):
Hmmm.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
I did like the sad ending where it's like it's
like happy and sad.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
I thought that was really cool. Well, that's interesting. I
never thought of it like that.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
I do think the scene with the gun above the
house was random dot com slash footage.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Not found random aff. I'm saying, who the hell, what.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
The heck, what was this supposed to be in here?

Speaker 1 (55:34):
I like that reading of it as like addiction. But
I'm seeing so many people I've seen people be like, hello,
it's obviously about school shootings, and I was like, is it, Like.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
What is it? What is it about?

Speaker 3 (55:44):
I do think the school shooting is almost a red herring,
like it sets out so clearly wanting you to think that,
and then it's like sort of not about that. The
other thing that he said himself in an interview was
that so you know, he lost a friend of his,
and he said that each character represents a different like

(56:04):
form of grief he went through, m hmm. So one
of them is angry, one of them is trying to
blame someone, one of them feels guilt, guilt and shame,
you know whatever.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Okay, sure, And I did think.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
I did think the multiple perspectives worked and and you know,
obviously I thought Gladys was to die for.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Gladys was to die for. I will say the police
officer guy was so hot, so hot. I was like,
give me, give me, give me.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
And I love when a new hot guy drops, you say, wow,
there's another one.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
The police guy.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
The police guy.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
Oh honey, he's been around.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
What's what else is he?

Speaker 3 (56:40):
Alden Aaron Reik Alden, Aharon Reich. He is in He's
in solo. A star Wars story. I think that was
one of his big breaks. He was a Gail Caesar.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
I didn't see that. I did see solo. I guess
that's I can see it now. That's weird, that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
He's sort of it's like, very nice to see him
in this role because I think for a while they
were like, oh, he's hot enough to be a leading man,
let's try to make that work. But he's he is
meant to be this kind of character actor.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Yeah, he was an Oh my god, he was an
Oppenheimer our favorite movie. I actually don't remember that.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
I don't remember being in.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
That, but you know what, every guy was in that.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
That's true. We were in that.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
We were in that, and we were really amazing.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
We were amazing. We played the gay guys.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
Yeah we were We played the gay guys. We played
the gay guys from Weapons but in Oppenheimer, and it
was really totally inconsistent with the rest of the film.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
But people like loved when we popped in, like it
was funny. Like people that watch it multiple times like
start to become grateful that.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Well, there was this whole meme where people were like,
if only Christopher Nolan wrote women as well as he
writes gay guys.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
I would love to see Christopher Nolan do a movie
about four gay guys living in New York City. I
think that would actually be so deeply funny.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
I I agree, and I would go so far as
to say I understand the Christopher Nolan. Nolan is in
his blank check era, like he has he is the
only filmmaker left who is able to make a movie
like Oppenheimer that also does box office numbers. And that's
just like he has the magic sauce. No one knows
how he does it, and so now he's allowed to

(58:21):
do whatever he wants. But I'm like, they should make
him do something.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
They should make him do something.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Like make him adapt a Little Life.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Put a gun to his head, yeah, and make him
adapt a Little Live, because I actually.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
Don't want to see him adapt the Odyssey. Sorry, Like
I don't necessarily. I mean, obviously I will be there
day one and I'll be sneaking into the premiere and
I will be taking photographs of the cast and saying,
can you come on my podcast?

Speaker 2 (58:46):
No, we need to see that damn movie. The moment
comes out.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
Of course, But I also do want him to literally
I'm like, do a clueless remake, Like do something out
of the box.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
God, it would be so funny. Yeah, I agree, he
should be.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Forced to do something. Every once in a while, someone
should get forced.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
I know it's the way Hollywood works is wrong, because
here's what happens is if you flop, then you're putting
direct put in director jail. And if you succeed it,
then you're allowed to do whatever you want. And I'm like,
where's the middle ground?

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Where's the middle ground? Whatever happened to a middle ground?

Speaker 3 (59:20):
I mean, I guess the middle ground is like you
have to direct episodes of like b Orrad Prestige series,
and it's like they're all directed by like former indie directors.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Yeah that's true.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
So we want to talk about students article, we want
to talk about weapons. You wanted to talk about men's wear.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
I did want to talk about I'm in a place
where I don't know what to wear. I don't know
what dressing up is. I don't know what fashion is.
And this is surprising because I used to know, and
maybe I never knew.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
I think here's the issue. I think I.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Knew what to wear as an normal person. I know
what to wear to a dinner party. I know how
to slay a dinner party, and people will be like, damn,
I love that outfit, and I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Like, thanks Steva.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
If I'm being photographed even slightly, I have no idea
what to wear. Things that you think are outfits are
not outfits when you are being photographed all of a sudden.
So I don't feel like I have a direction.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
And like I don't even have I don't have a hero.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
But I like, like, I keep being like, Okay, who
do I want to look like?

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Who do I think does it? Well?

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
I'll look at famous people all day long and I go,
not them, not them. You show me the most fashionable
man in Hollywood and I go, he looks like a clown.
I say, not that, And so I'm I'm quite literally lost,
and it reminds me. I have a friend one time
who sorry I'm literally monologuing one time who was like
I want a drink like that doesn't exist, and I
was like, what do you mean? And he's like like

(01:00:50):
I don't want soda and I don't want juice, and
I was like okay, but but then do you want
like seltzer? And he's like no, like he's like, I
want a new kind of drink, and I was like
kombucha and he's like, no, you're not hearing me, like
I want a different kind of drink.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
Was that friend me? Because I like think about that
approximately once a day.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
No, there was a friend in college actually who really
went on this terror.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
Because I'm like my white way, I feel like the
I almost have this mental illness where I'm always craving
a specialty drink that doesn't exist, and it like symbolizes
my childhood somehow.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
I mean sometimes I'll think an orange Gina is the nuts,
It's never the fix, and I buy an Orangina and
I drink and I go, this is this is wrong.
So basically that's how I feel about fashion. And I
don't know who to look up to or I don't
have a compass in any way, shape or form.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
I know, you know, it's actually especially relevant because today
Georgio Armani died. I don't know if you saw that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Oh I did not see that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Have you seen the movie American Jigglow? No, so, American
Jigglow popularized the Armani suit. It's like before that, American
men didn't know how to dress, and then after that
it was like suddenly you were see these kind of
like beautiful tailored suits everywhere. And I feel like when
you look at you know, you know, one of my

(01:02:09):
fashion icons, Robin Williams, when you look at like photos
of Robin Williams on red carpets and you're like, God,
those pleated pants are like they could be wearing him,
but he's wearing them, like, you know whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
I think it's tough. I think like where I struggle
especially is it's like, obviously, you can wear like a
suit and look nice. You can wear a vintage suit
and it'll like look.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
Nice, But is there a way to do it without
wearing a suit? Like I'm wanting like a little more
play and I'm winding like a little less formality, and
it's like your only options are like shirt, you can
wear shirt or maybe tie, or you can wear suit.
And it's like, okay, well I don't want any of those,
Like I'm wanting another thing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
I see what you're saying, and I actually the thing
is so I think everyone wants that, And then I
think the two solutions are either you really go all
out and look stupid because the thing is nothing as
a man, nothing is actually going to make you look
as refined and as good as a suit.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
So you can try to do like this sleeveless thing.
You can try to do unbuttoned shirt with tank. You
can try to do you know, some sort of like
like formal short, but you just aren't. You can be
pulling it off in like a fashioning way, but you
simply are not going to look as good as someone

(01:03:28):
in a really well tailored suit.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
You know what.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
Maybe the answer is take the l with the suit,
but then go wink with either accessories or the shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
Yeah, I mean, you're right. When you're right, you're right.
Or jewelry or jewelry, which.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Ever, since having a wedding ring, I'm sort of like,
oh I get jewelry now. Like I'm like, it's fun
to know I have a mettle everywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
I've been wanting more.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Yeah, I want more. So if you guys are jewelry makers,
tend us whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
We'll wear it on the runway.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
I mean I also think this episode, yeah, we'll right
on the wrong way. This episode is very sort of
ambiguously anti gay. But I have one more I have
one more anti gay thing to say, and I'm sorry
to say this, but like, and this has been true
now for a while, straight men, fashionable straight men are
addressing better than fashionable gay men.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
I say, I was gonna say, you know who I
actually do kind of look up too fashion wise, who
is currently alive and currently you know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Someone in our orbit, Adam Pally.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
He always is dressed so well real and he does
like suits, but he does them like in a slouchy way,
and they like fit right, but they're not like they're
not like super tight or anything like. He like does
them in a cash nice way.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
So here's mine, Seth Rogan.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Well, yes, Seth Rogan looks so good. Yeah, and he's
also he's also.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
Doing suits but in a fun way. And I'm just
looking up photos of sethro You know this guy, I mean,
and he's taking rit I'm seeing her a brown shirt
and a green jacket looking like a damn Christmas tree.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
I have a real hang up around a suit whatever. Whatever.
I just feel like I'm being like teacher, if.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
What about a really really beautiful sweater and then like
nice plated.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
Pants that could be good, that could slay a new
photo one day, One day I'll feel comfortable wearing a
suit that day is not today.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
I mean, are you comfortable wearing just like a button
down shirt, no jacket and pants?

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Maybe? But I'm like, how do you make that fun? Though?

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
You want something that doesn't exist, I literally want something
it doesn't exist. How do you feel about like a
sort of fashion ye, scarf instead of a tie?

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
You know my ass can't queer as scarf?

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
No, you know I can't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
I'm literally like And then it's like, okay, some people
like instead of suit, will wear like a cool jacket,
but no, I see.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
That like a bomber style jacket.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
That to me feels like a stand up comedian who
is self conscious.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
And you're not going to do like shirt with no
collar like a sort of no. I mean, and to
be clear, I do agree there, I don't sure.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
With no collar reminds me of what people were wearing.
I keep for some reason, I have something about this.
Remember when people wearing the drop crotch pants. Yes, that
was crazy, talk about poopy pants. That was literally like
you had a douchie in your diaper. I was like this,
that was so crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
No, it's tough. I will say this. I bought a
pair of sort of like pleated linen pants this summer,
and I was wearing them out.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
You wore them around me at some point they look great.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
They I mean that was a game changer.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
Yeah, those look really good.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
The two consequential fashion purchases I made the summer or
my Fishermen sandals, this black leather pair of Fishermen sandals
that were incredibly overpriced, and then my linen pants that
were not overpriced then were in fact from the gap.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
High and low.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
I also, of course, it all goes back to nor
first LA, where in New York you're seeing people, you're
seeing style, you're seeing outfits. In LA, you're not seeing
outfits the way that I've been like I need a
new pair of shoes, Like I literally just need a
new pair of shoes. But I'm like, oh, what would
I possibly wear like there? I have no No one

(01:07:34):
is like, oh, they're actually scrushing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
I should do what they do.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
It's like everyone's just like wearing government issue tennis shoes
and not slaying.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
You know what's in terms of your dilemma of not
having a role model, this is like the tragedy of
modern creator, of the modern creator economy, where It's like
we've never had more people that are in many positions
of power, and yet none of them are inspiring me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
It used to be that only a certain number of
people had access to beautiful clothing and beautiful products, and
you know, you had to choose between the three that
were available. Now, I mean, there are seemingly fifteen thousand
men's wear influencers. I think they all look stupid. They
do most I'm not saying I. I'm not saying I
look better.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
I don't think I look good.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
But I but I'm like, what's going on.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
I've been seeing this style of internet video recently, specifically
about LA where it'll be like how to how to
have a night out in Los Angeles for your worst enemy,
and it'll be like go to this barye sucks, And
like I've been seeing a lot of them actually, and
it's like we how addition or whatever, and it's sort
of like, Okay, there's seven restaurants in all of Los Angeles,

(01:08:47):
Like you can't just say like six of them suck.
It's sort of like there's one street with restaurants in
all of Silver Lake, Like that's it. Of course you're
gonna name those like it's not like off the beaten path,
but this is notably You're they're all bad.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
You're pointing to a larger problem, which is like that
kind of content, which is sort of like meme based critique,
is at an all time low in terms of quality.
And I think that and I think that is very
related to the whole performative male thing, which is complete
just mush bullshit, just like literally someone's brain leaking out

(01:09:22):
of their ears and just being like, yeah, if he's
reading Sally Rooney, he's performative. Like what are you talking about?
How about you jump off a bridge up into the water,
and I think water now. I saw one that was
like so offensively stupid to me because I know that
they are just proting something they think is funny, which
is that there was it was like two sides and

(01:09:45):
the first one was like if you like these things,
and it was like boy genius Claro like work where
try this And it was like applied to work at
Raytheon And it's like, well, those are not related. You
just heard that Raytheon is a funny thing, like is
a is a sign of someone being evil? Like it's like, oh,

(01:10:05):
working at raytheon is like a sign that someone is
a bad person, and then you think separately that boy
genius is corny, and so you just utter like to
put those two completely unrelated signifiers next to one another,
and you're just hoping that it'll add up to a joke.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
It's not. It's not, George, you're saying. That made me
filled with anger. I'm furious.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
I cannot You're so right, they're so TikTok has heralded
a new era of people hinting at humor. Yes, it
used to be people would have bad humor at dinner
parties and sort of parrot a joke and you would
be like, Okay, they're not very funny. And then now
it's like they're posting it. They're taking their non humor
and they're posting it. And I'm saying, let's workshop it

(01:10:48):
a bit, hit the mics, and then you can start
to post it's we need a license to commit humor.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
Well, of course, and it needs to be issued by
Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
Well he got the humor apartment.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
Well, Donald Trump and Tuker Carlson. Let me tell you something.
Those are two funny girls. Those are that is my
Tina and Amy that's my TEENA name is Donald Trump Carlson.
Let them host the Golden Globes. I will be laughing,
my little ass off. Imagine the joke so I was
saying about Timothy Shallomey.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Oh, I'm gonna laugh.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
No, it is it is a really it is a
really big problem. To go back to Steven. I think
I think there are valid critiques to Steven's article. I
think there are valid critiques to everything. And also I
have a very particular outlook that I do not feel
at all threatened by that article because it is not
about me. Fine. Yeah, However, if there's one true point
I want to make, it's what I said earlier, which

(01:11:39):
is that, Okay, you don't like Steven's article, you write
a experienced based trend piece, not about mafia girl, about
mafia wife aesthetic, something that is fake and never existed.
Stop parroting dumb things that twelve year olds are saying.

(01:12:00):
Are you do you have a brain? Go out of
your house, put your phone down, see what people are doing,
and write it down. Guess what your Joan didion.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
Damn, you're so right, You're so right. Cultural critique.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
It's it's just literally lazy people are looking at their
phone saying I saw four people do this video. I
will write about it for the New York Times. And
it's like, what stop it?

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
So you wanna comment on that culture, have the courage
to say, Okay, I'm commenting, and here's my comment. It's
fucking stupid. Stop trying to make it. Stop trying to
elevate it. Stop trying when we were did you listen
to this slave culture gadfest where they were talking about
performative males and they were just they were just fully
taking it seriously and like doing an analysis of what
they think it says about gender. That's literally even worse

(01:12:48):
than just not than ignoring it. You're you're lending a credence.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
No, you're totally right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
You should say, as a smart person they have PhDs.
Those people you should say, as a smart person with
a PhD. I think this is not worthy of my time.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
Yeah, I think this is fucking stupid. That being said,
we are The point I wanted to say is sort
of moot because we've been we are I think literally
doing it now.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
Well, no, we're doing no, Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
I'll say it anyway and we'll see where it lands.
I think the problem with all these like sort of
hater content of like this restaurant sucks, this type.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
Of man sucks. Yeah, is like, hey, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
Literally tired of critiques without solutions. I'm like tired of
just being like everything sucks because it kind of like
that's actually quite easy to be your opinion, Like I
need to know it's so much more vulnerable be like
this is good, what is good? Let's quit being haters, Like,
of course the restaurant thirty three taps that is a

(01:13:51):
sports gay sports bar in silver like sucks, Like it's
not trying to be good. You don't need to critique
the bar thirty three taps that sell boneless chicken wings
and puts on the Big Game, Like, hello, it's not
to be critiqued, Like critique something that is a value,
that is putting something out there.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
This is a classic defense mechanism of the intellectually unserious
is critiquing things that are self evidently bad and thinking
you come across as smart. It's like, no, guess what
my niece could have made that critique. She's eighteen months.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
Old with the right editor.

Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
Are you gonna made that critique with the editing team
at New York mag Are you kidding me? You'll be
front page news. I think that you are absolutely correct
that it is a cop out to do critiques like that,
And I would go so far as to say the
other thing that I find abhorrent about it is that
it's fully self hating without wanting to implicate yourself, because

(01:14:51):
guess what. All those people are going to those places,
they are All you're doing is going out and being like,
I'm disgusted with my own life, So I'm gonna critique
as though I am living outside of this community and
judging people you are at that restaurant. This is your
entire life. Your entire life is going to these restaurants,
doing these trend based activities, being on Instagram and saying

(01:15:14):
the dumbest shit imaginable. You have nothing to offer, and
you have the nerve to critique it. Sit your ass
down and order a chicken nugget with caviar on it
because you saw it on TikTok.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
Damn. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
I have to say, we were in a bad mood,
and I the way that this episode is so going
off alarm, I like, IM like, we are definitely channeling
our moods into whatever this is and I have to
say I'm in heaven, I mean absolute heaven.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
And I feel like sort of what's.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
That movie where the guy like freaks out in traffic
and like, is it called like falling Down or something?
And he like yells at a McDonald's employee about breakfast
not being open.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
I love not remembering this movie.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
What did you say? It was called falling Down?

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Oh there's a movie called falling Down. Let's see.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
Yeah, that is it Michael Douglas. He like loses his
mind and just starts like popping off on stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
Oh three, Wow, you were right. I was right if
you should not have doubted yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
Look at me laughing at you, laughing at you as
though your aunt Gladys taking her damn wig off.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
It's called falling Down, and that's what.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
Said in Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
I'll bet I'll bet honey lot to pop off on
over here.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
Okay, wait, first of all, I have to watch that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
Yeah, me as well. I just want to know it culturally.
He has like a famous scene.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
No, I agree. I think we're you know, it's important
to get this out obviously. Yes, we are doing the
same thing. We're accusing other people of doing. We are
critiquing without offering a solution. And I think in small
doses that is, you know, that is okay, But I
think it has to come out. I am sorry, but
you have to have a commitment to truth.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
You have to have a commitment to truth. Well, because
truth is beauty.

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
Of course, truth is beauty. Yeah, And I will go
this so far as to say, you also have to
have separately a commitment to beauty.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
Of course, in this fucked up world. Yet you're not
committing to beauty, which is truth and truth beauty.

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
If you're not committing to beauty, then you honestly, like,
I need to overdose on context bills.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
Damn, this is when we hang up on this zoom call.
I'm gonna over commit my life to beauty and truth
and I cannot wait to do so. I'm gonna do
something so fucking glamorous after this. It's going to be
so insane. You know what I'm gonna do.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
I'm gonna get in a fucking pool and I'm gonna
read a book.

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
Oh, speaking of reading books like just super quick media consumption.
By the way, for everyone listening and being like this
is good, they're unhinged, like I wish they did this
more often we do, bitch. It's called twice a month
on Patreon, and you all you have to do is
pay five dollars a month for it. So if you

(01:18:10):
want to hear me having a full on mental breakdown
multiple times a month, then that's what you need to do.
And it's called patreon dot com slash Straighter Lab. But
I want to know what book you're reading.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
I'm currently reading The Shards by Brett Easton Ellis.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
So here's a question for you. Have you read any
other Brett eastern Elis?

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
I have not.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
Okay, have you seen any adaptations.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Of his work? I've seen American Psycho Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
I've read Less than Zero and Rules of Attraction, but
a very long time ago, like in my early twenties maybe, yeah,
early twenties, I don't think high school and I liked
both of them at the time. I have not revisited them,
you know, as as an adult. I will say Rules
of Attraction the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
Have you seen that? No?

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
When I first watched it in high school, it was
incredibly formative and the way that, like you know, Requiem
for a Dream is formative, like if you watch it
at the right age, it's with you because it's like
about adult themes. Unfortunately, I tried to watch it again
as an adult, and it is a bit clunkier than
I remembered. But you know, my good friend Jessica Biel
is actually incredible in it, And of course I've seen

(01:19:16):
American Psychoone love it. But I have not kept up
with Brett Easton Ellis, and I know that he's a
real sort of folk hero among the among the how
Long Gone class, and so I'm very excited to read
the chards. I've heard great things from a bunch of
different people. I know someone in the writer's room for
the TV.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
Adaptation, and we both do.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
No, it's I don't know who you're talking about. I
know someone else that you don't know, but I would
love to know who.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
You know? Well, Charles Rogers, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
Oh my god? Fun?

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Yeah, who do you know? We can bleep these names, but.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
No, we don't have to bleep them. I guess I
won't say her last name, but a friend of mine,
her name is Julie. She's in it. Oh, okay, she's
a she's she used to be a writer, like a
you know, magazine writer and has gone into TV. Oh
and she's very bright, very smart, very cool, very funny.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
Love that. Yeah. I was talking to Charles and he
was talking about it, and I was like, wait, I
never read that book. And then I was in the
bookstore and I was like, what do I read? And
I was like, wait, maybe I'll try it before the
show comes out.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
I'm I do, I do really want to read it
because a lot of people have recommended it to me.
I am wanting to read the Sally Rooney that came
out last year that I never read.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
Yeah, have you started it or you were just? Well?

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
I did? I mean I read the you know, the
an excerpt of it ran in the New York or
a while ago, and I read it, so that's probably
the first like twenty pages. But no, I have not
properly started it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
What did you read when you were in Greece?

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
I well, okay, first of all, I read the book
Matthew Co wrote that is out this week. Oh so,
Matthew Co wrote a book called They All Came to Barney's.
It is a memoir written by the former CEO of Barney's,
the department store, Carrie Bradshaw's fvorite department store for any
second that any gal's out there. And I read that

(01:21:02):
and it was obviously incredible, and I actually was so
glad I read it before Georgia Armani died, because now
I know so much about Georgia Romani, who Barney's brought
to America. Barneys was the first story that carried Armani
in the United States. It was one of their big discoveries.
And then there's this whole other section. You know, I
don't know enough about Japanese fashion, but I'm interested in it.

(01:21:23):
And there's this other section about how they brought a
bunch of the big Japanese designers to America, like Conte
de Garsan and Yogi and like Asimiyaki and all those people. Interesting,
which is very interesting to learn about. So I read that.
I read this other book that I had started a
while ago in Abandoned called ex Wife. It's about a
woman who gets a divorce in the nineteen twenties, like

(01:21:44):
during Prohibition, and it's literally like Sex and the City,
but in the nineteen twenties, like she is a divorcee
and then starts living with this other divorcee whose name
is Lucia, and they're like always going out and meeting
guys and like sort of debating the ins and outs
of like what is liberation? What is which of the
things we're doing our liberatory versus like embarrassing. It's like,

(01:22:06):
is it bad that I'm like kissing a different man
every night? Or is it something to be proud of?
And it's very like very contemporary, like it doesn't feel
like you're reading a period piece. So those are the
two books I read. I just you finished all fours?
Did you like it? Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
I loved it. I thought it was so great.

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
You need to read her first novel. It's so good
the first first.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
I want to. I want to.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
People keep commenting on our totech clip the first Bad Man.

Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
Wait, really yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
And I don't know the connection. Oh my god, I.

Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
Don't even remember. I mean, I read it song, I
don't even remember. Uh, I don't even remember what the
connection will be. I just remember I cried on a
plane while reading that book.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
Oh I love that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
And actually her her book of short stories is also amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
Somebody commented kubelco Bondie and I googled that and it's
from that book. Got it?

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
Okay? Maybe I'll reread it. I've been wanting to reread
this book that was super formative for me called satn
Island by Tom McCarthy, and it's about an anthropologist that
sets out to do an ethnography of the entire world,
but then it gets weird. Oh I don't remember the details,
but I I'm in a mood where I'm like, I

(01:23:19):
want to check in on things that I thought were
good ten years ago and see how I've grown versus
how I've not grown. Yeah, it's like how I always
have to rewatch the movie Adaptation, which was my favorite
movie in high school, and every time I'm like, yeah,
it still slaps.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
Yeah. That's how i'ment with Austin Powers.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
Yeah, totally.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
It's been an amazing episode.

Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
This has been an amazing episode. Wait, I wanted to
address the US Open thing.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
Oh yeah, yeah, were you you posted? Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:23:45):
So I just I posted as a joke that I
was a FIA partner and that's how I got my
US Open tickets. And I thought it was clear that
it was a joke because I use the hashtag own
your Faiya, which I made up, and I also thought
it was clearly there was a joke because I had
self evidently very bad seats if you looked at my photo.

(01:24:07):
And I don't think if Faye was sending influencers to
the US Open, they would put them in section three
twenty one. But you know, people tell themselves stories in
order to live, and people view Instagram stories and believe
them in order to live. And so multiple people to
the point where I'm now no longer replying to each
of them individually, thought that I was being serious, and

(01:24:28):
I want to just address the big rumors and say
I'm actually I paid for those tickets out of pocket
and I'm not a FI A partner.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
See, there's a few things going on here totally. One
is people do want to believe. People want to believe,
first of all, that everyone is famous. Everyone wants to
believe that somebody like everyone wants to look up to somebody.
So people are like, oh, George is a FI A partner.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
This is amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:24:59):
That's my dream, always in my dream, and George's living
my dream. People want other people to be living their dream.
They want to be jealous, so it's like wow. Another
thing that's going on is sort of you and I
both do this where we think we are.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
Flops.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
We think we're like, obviously, the joke here is that
I'm successful, and it's like, that's not shout out to IO.
At your wedding, she was like, somebody was telling me
that somebody listens to a podcast that lives in Massachusetts,
and I was like, whoa they do? How do they
hear about it? And I always like, you still think
you're like not successful? And I was like, oh damn,

(01:25:39):
you kind of clocked me a bit.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
I mean, I mean, I obviously I know what you
are saying, but I'm sorry. I do think that me
being in like the very back row and thinking FAYA
is a little more obvious than you're giving your credit for.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
I think that if you told me today that you
were a fiy A partner and they were doing this
weird thing where they're sending you to the Open, I
would say, okay, I would say that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:26:05):
George, Okay. I do think. I do think it is
true that influencer culture is run a mock, has run
a mock so much that like when I tell you,
like over thirty people I know were sent to the
US Open for free, am I one of them? No?

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
Somehow, But like thirst Spot.

Speaker 3 (01:26:23):
It's just crazy, Like I'm like, and they're sponsored by
the Bo's random. It's like a mom and pop store
that sells, you know, recycled bags, is sending you to
see Naomi Osaka. Okay, but I do want to say
one thing. You know, all jokes aside, I would like
a brand to pay for me to go to the
US Open, And I actually don't think it should be

(01:26:44):
that hard. I'm a very famous and beautiful podcaster and
I'm on record as loving tennis way longer than all
these fake fans that are like learning the rules on
the spot because they were invited to go by Tiffany.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
The thing is, you know, maybe they fear you because
they know that you can't not be truthful, and you
know they need someone who will be a mouthpiece for
the brand, and they know that you have such amazing
morals that you can't possibly hide your own opinions in
favor of the brand.

Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
You know what, though, honestly, other than like I'm trying
to think what what sponsors the use of and are
evil most of them, I'd be like really willing to
shill for like Faiya, I eat every day American Express.
I'll get an American I'm a chaste girl, but I'll
get an American Express card. Like what's credit card? Literally,
no problem, Ralph Lauren, are you kidding me? I love

(01:27:36):
a polo.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
I love a polo. Oh, Like I.

Speaker 3 (01:27:39):
Wouldn't even have any moral qualms about sponsors. Just get
in touch.

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
That's that's true. I think you should invoice Faye.

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
I'm gonna invoice them, and I'm gonna say, you know,
I did do free press for.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
You, because people believe me, you even did copywriting. You
invented their new hashtag.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
Yeah, and like if it's taking off, people are also.

Speaker 3 (01:28:01):
They have never it's like, okay, I'm gay in Greek
like faiya. It's a joke that it looks like fag
Like you're never going to take advantage of that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
See.

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
I'm actually so glad you were saying it because I
had no idea how to say it, because I was like, faggy, Well.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
It could be could be live life faggy, Live life faggy.

Speaker 3 (01:28:20):
That's the new hashtag.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
That's new hashtag. Well, yeah, you should invoice them at
least the price of the ticket, because you did do
promo while you were there, to your very eager fan base.

Speaker 3 (01:28:31):
I know, and you know I had a really amazing
time at the YUSAP, and I want to say I
love tennis and I love going there and work. I'll
make you go with me one of these years. Well
not for you know, we're not going to pay for it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
Obviously, we're gonna look the cost will make us go together,
Let's hope. So, let's hope.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
So it does feel talk about there's always something where
I'm like, Okay, it's everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:28:59):
But us, Like I know, I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
I'm like, so.

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
Everybody got that but us. I'm like, so even like
something so stupid, like an ad for say, say just
as a placeholder Castro mattresses, and like so it's like
sort of a joke that everyone gets to do this
ad and we don't. We're the only podcast in the
honor if we don't do that. I'm like so like
so Everlane is like we're the only podcasters Everline doesn't like, like,

(01:29:24):
what's the deal with that? Like, I don't get wrong,
I don't I've never had Everlaine.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:29:29):
Yeah, I guess what I'll send you to better help.
I'll lie and say it's the same as therapy. I
don't give a shit.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
I don't give a fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:29:35):
So so you're telling me Quince to just listen to us,
and was like, not them, Like what's the deal?

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
Like what did we say?

Speaker 3 (01:29:46):
Remember early on when we were asked to list like
brands we would be willing to collab with, and we
like really took it so serious, and we're like, I
think Patagonia, that's like, they're not gonna advertise with us.

Speaker 1 (01:29:57):
I love when we do stuff like that because and
then it's just like never happens. God, life is so beautiful.
I want to give a shout out to Panda In
a restaurant in Glendale. It is I would say it's
like a PF Chang's. It's sort of like mal Chinese food.
But there's something about a restaurant that is not fans

(01:30:19):
or not not actually innovative but pretending to be fancy
that I find so charming in a sort of suburban way.
I feel at home when I am in this panda In.
I have been twice in the last month, and it's
right by the movie theater. So I go to panda In,
then I go see an amazing movie or vice versa,

(01:30:40):
depending on this time of the film. And I know
we didn't say we're gonna do shout outs, but I
just no, I love the spirit took me and I
felt like I needed.

Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
To shout out, Pandama, that is beautiful. And I want
to give a shout out to the original bridge of
Jones's Diary, which I rewatched on the plane back. Have
you watched it recently?

Speaker 2 (01:30:59):
I did. I watched it on a plane within the year.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
Were you not in heaven?

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
No, it's to die for, It's actually to die for.

Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
Sorry, But like, and I'll end on this. I will
personally on on this. You can you can keep talking
of you on, but this is the last thing I'll
say because I feel myself, you know, I feel the
meaning of my words being separated from the words themselves
as I'm speaking. Of course, something happens at the end,
which I think is so emblematic of the decline of
rom com since then. And this is what happens. They've

(01:31:27):
made up, they've kissed, they've confessed to left to each other.
He finds her diary, and the diary has insults about
him from when she first met him. It's like he's
an idiot, like he's so pretentious, he's so annoying. And
then he's like, oh rock Ben and then leaves and
starts walking away. She realizes what happened, she goes to
chase him. She finds him, and she goes, I didn't

(01:31:50):
mean all that stuff, like I'm so sorry. He goes, oh,
I know, I was just getting you in you diary.
Now here's what's going on there. Two things are happening.
It's an incredible moment for his character because he's showing
that he has a sense of humor and is caring
and is also of course buying her a diary aka
empowering her to keep telling her story as a female creator.

(01:32:11):
But the other thing is, in today's world, that character
would be offended by what was in the diary.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
You're so right, there's no respect. There's no respect for people,
like people think we are too fucking exacted to see
a character and like think they would act reasonably. Like
that movie is like, actually, you're smart. We think you're smart.

Speaker 3 (01:32:34):
Yes, he's a smart person, And it is playing with
the audience and expectators because the audience is like, oh
my god, how could he believe that? Come on, can't
he see it and it's like, yes, you're right, he
did see it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
You're right.

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
That would be literally the instigating like inciting incident in
a current Netflix movie would be like someone reading a
diary and being offended.

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
Someone needs to take Netflix down.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
Enough is enough.

Speaker 1 (01:32:56):
We need somebody Trump do something like we have to
get Netflix out of office. This is crazy what they
are doing to our culture.

Speaker 3 (01:33:08):
No, it's really, it's really fucked up.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
It's really fucked up.

Speaker 1 (01:33:13):
It's so deeply fucked up. Like I can't believe we're
just gonna like a fifteen year block. Hopefully it's only
fifteen years where we're gonna look at media and go ooh, like, yeah,
I was a Netflix era.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
Oh sucks. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:26):
And by the way, while we're at it, if you
in any way, if you in any way boosted Love
Island USA, if you in any way spoke about it,
shared a meme, you know, talked about it in your
little group chats. You have blood on your hands.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
Oh my god, you should be ashamed. You should be ashamed.

Speaker 3 (01:33:53):
You should you want to go a b. You are
a book burner. You are a Florida based book burner
up every day and you burn to kill a Mockingbird.
That's what you're doing when you watch Love Island.

Speaker 1 (01:34:03):
You think you're innocent because you voted for Kamala. You're
not innocent. You are part of the problem. You probably
didn't even know how to vote for Kamala. Illiterate bitch,
bitch christ fuck right.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
Fuck. I hate the fire inside of me today.

Speaker 3 (01:34:21):
I know it's crazy. I can't believe I have to
go to an event after this.

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
I don't know how I'm gonna get this out. I
need to go be insane somewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:34:30):
You should go do some g.

Speaker 1 (01:34:35):
God, the image of the muscle bear in the dark
room with the Apple Watch going.

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
Off, I was like, yeah, this is fucking bleak. I
know everyone's support New York Magazine.

Speaker 3 (01:34:45):
You know what else I want to say? Actually, I
thought to myself, is it a cop out that Stephen
didn't end up trying g as part of the article?
And I decided no, I think he did the right
I actually think it's good to bring back a certain
level of like journalistic distance.

Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
You're right, you're right not to be. It would have
been more gackery if he had done it himself.

Speaker 3 (01:35:06):
Yes and no, it's like it would have been more
like you know, Tom Wolf like or not. That's actually
the wrong reference, but it would have been more gonzo
of course. Yeah, but I almost think the ethos of
Gacker was to sort of sneer at at at at
people in this I.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
Guess I'm thinking about Kate Katie Weaver going.

Speaker 3 (01:35:29):
Fridays, going to going to Yeah, teacher Fridays.

Speaker 2 (01:35:34):
Classic, what a classic piece, I know.

Speaker 3 (01:35:36):
And TV T ride in that train up, Mama.

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
I love all, love, nothing but love to everyone who's
ever written for Gawker. Shout out to everyone who's ever
written for Gaker.

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
Literally, shout out to Cory Seka, Shout out to everyone that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
You know wrote all about the issues out to oh god,
all these names. Shout out to writers.

Speaker 3 (01:36:06):
Yeah, shout out to writers. You know. I'm gonna I'm
gonna write something soon.

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
I'm gonna write. I can feel this Google dot cooking the.

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
I'm gonna get a Google doc copen and I'm gonna
say chapter one and then it's off.

Speaker 2 (01:36:18):
To the races.

Speaker 3 (01:36:21):
We open on fucking Penis in Asshole, Penis du vaginea.

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
Oh God, love that fucking movie.

Speaker 3 (01:36:33):
Well, I can't wait to see you in New York.

Speaker 1 (01:36:35):
Yeah, I can't wait to be there. I can't believe
we just recorded for an hour and forty.

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
Minutes just us. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
Just when you think we have nothing to talk about,
I literally and part of me is like, damn, I
want to keep going. Like I'm like, I know we
need to end, and you literally have an event to
go to, as you always do.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
Meanwhile, I have fucking nothing going on. I'm gonna sit
in my house.

Speaker 3 (01:37:00):
That's not true. I'm sure you have a lot of things.

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
I have nothing going on. I need to be back
in New York. I know it's just not rights.

Speaker 3 (01:37:09):
I'm honestly proud of myself for not bringing it up
more because it is my instinct to bring it up more.
But I know that, like, you can't do anything about
it right now, so it wouldn't help for me to
be talking about it all.

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
Yeah, see you in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (01:37:21):
That's going to be you know, you're literally coming in
a week.

Speaker 1 (01:37:25):
Oh yeah, oh, thank god, thank god.

Speaker 3 (01:37:30):
In conclusion, we are on tour and you can see
us in Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, and Los Angeles in
late September early October. Look up those dates at linktree
dot com. Slash Stradia Lab and we're going to Vegas,
and we're going to Vegas. Those first dates are all
stand up dates. Vegas is actually going to be a
straighter Lab show, like a live straighter Lab date, and

(01:37:51):
that is I want to say October fifteenth.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
I think that's correct.

Speaker 3 (01:37:55):
You can find it on our link tree, and please
subscribe to Patreon for two extra episodes month if you
like what you heard today at patreon dot com. Slash
Radio Lab and if you are a brand, I would
like to go to the US Open next year.

Speaker 2 (01:38:10):
And I would pretty much.

Speaker 1 (01:38:13):
Love to have any advertisers hop in. I just feel
it's literally like you know, I'm you know, we we
cope and we say we're doing this because we don't
do it with ads like that because we're like so
punk rock or so edgy.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
It's not true.

Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
They just never ask us, and so we cope by
saying we're at punk rock and edgy and just don't
do adreads.

Speaker 3 (01:38:34):
And I just want to say, if you work in
PR and have a client that you think would be
good for this podcast that isn't fucking annoying and stupid
and basic, and get in touch.

Speaker 1 (01:38:45):
I would like to actually challenge all people in PR
to have some ethics in who you work with, because
not you should. You should get an email that says
I will pay you thirty thousand dollars for you to
be my publicist for the next three and you should
say I've looked at your work and it's not worth
promoting yet. I looked at your work and it fucking sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
But thank you for the email.

Speaker 1 (01:39:07):
I bet next time next keep working on yourself and
I'll love to support you in the future.

Speaker 3 (01:39:12):
Yeah, and when you do end up taking on a
client and write that email to send out on mass,
I want you to take one look at it and
ask yourself, why is the seven paragraphs? When was the
last time I received an email that was seven paragraphs?
Is it normal for emails to be seven paragraphs? Is
that kind of how the form usually works? Or is
it usually like one paragraph or even two short ones?

Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
And we don't need We just simply don't need paragraphs
at all. We need maybe what they're promoting and maybe
links to previous work.

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
That's literally it. And honestly, even that, we're probably gonna
say no.

Speaker 1 (01:39:49):
Sorry, But damn, what is wrong with us today?

Speaker 3 (01:39:55):
I don't know this is crazy. We're going to be canceled.
This season is not happening.

Speaker 2 (01:40:01):
We're just we're walking it back. We're walking it back.

Speaker 3 (01:40:05):
When I say canceled, by the way, I'm not being
a canceled culture joke. I mean literally canceled like a
TV show is.

Speaker 2 (01:40:09):
Canceled, like how a TV shows.

Speaker 3 (01:40:11):
And I would never stoop so low as to uh
go Bill mahr mode, So dropping that down.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
He's going mar mode, folks.

Speaker 3 (01:40:18):
You know, uh, Woody Allen was on Bill Maher's podcast
the same day Ronan Pharaoh was on Monica Lewinsky's podcast.
So make of that what you will.

Speaker 2 (01:40:33):
What is the deal with what? You know? Who?

Speaker 3 (01:40:36):
We had on Joe Fire's Down.

Speaker 1 (01:40:37):
Joe fucking Firestone, folks, Joe Fucking Firestone, rest in Peach.

Speaker 4 (01:40:47):
Rest in peaches, y'all, Georgia are money. Oh he sees
in that big, big, beautiful peach in the sky. Now
that's a peach, beautiful peachless guy. He looks so fucking iconic.
He's tailored to the gods. All right, restom peach.

Speaker 2 (01:41:08):
Restom peach xoxo, Sam and.

Speaker 3 (01:41:12):
George podcast and is now want more? Subscribe to our
Patreon for two extra episodes a month, discord access and
more by heading to patreon dot com. Slash Stradio Lab.

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
And for all our visual earners, free full length video
episodes are available on.

Speaker 3 (01:41:28):
Our YouTube now. Get Back to Work.

Speaker 2 (01:41:30):
Stradia Lab is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money
Players Network and iHeart Podcasts.

Speaker 3 (01:41:35):
Created and hosted by George Severs and Sam Taggart.

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
Executive produced by Will Ferrell, Hans Soni and Olivia Aguilar.

Speaker 3 (01:41:41):
Co produced by Bei Wang, Edited.

Speaker 2 (01:41:43):
And engineered by Adam Avalos.

Speaker 3 (01:41:45):
Artwork by Michael Failes and Matt Grubb. Theme music by
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