"Sympathy" w/ Liva Pierce

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Who do you who? This is a reminder for all
New York City residents that I, George Severis, am doing
a show on December third at the Bellhouse in Brooklyn,
New York, to celebrate the release of my debut comedy special.
It will be a George and Friends show with Sabrina Wu,
Mary Beth Brown and hopefully some other surprise guests. So

(00:36):
by your tickets now, I believe they are going fast.
You can find tickets at the Bellhouse website and in
my Instagram bio and I will see you December third
at the Bellhouse. And that's it for now.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Enjoy the show podcast arts. Now what is going on?
I just we have breaking news breaking New York City,
which is that George is actually in a good mood.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
I have my huntigo mug or as we called them
with Drsy cunty go girl, cunty go girl.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Mug wow.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
I sort of think, you know, when you have like
a to go water bottle or to go mug of
some sort and it's just been sort of washed and
kind of washed for like over a decade, and you're like,
am I poisoning myself by still using this? That's kind
of how I feel I can tell if I'm kind
of tasting metal and that might be contributing to my
good mood.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
I mean, whatever works, I guess I feel that like
there's something so nineties, Like I'm at home with my
parents about drinking a glass a mug that wasn't used,
you know, less than a year ago. Yeah, and there's
like unspecified dust within it.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
So what's up with you?

Speaker 2 (01:47):
So? Pretty much? I'm in New York and I couldn't
sleep last night.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, they need to invent a way to travel where
you actually sleep well.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
They need to invent more broadly, I would say a
way to sleep normally literally, because guess what, all the
options we have have either make us have truly horrifying dreams.
We're talking like a horse with five heads that is
penetrating with what's that?

Speaker 2 (02:08):
What's the drug called? But will no? What's the other one?

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Melatonin?

Speaker 2 (02:11):
That one? When I take that one, I literally wake
up punching, like it's like a danger. I have scared
my my loved ones.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
You either have horrifying dreams We're talking like lynchion nightmares,
or if I'm taking I'm taking a two milligram edible
to help me fall asleep. I wake up fifteen hours later,
I say what day is it? And what year?

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:32):
And I'm busy.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
I've been fired from all my jobs. I am a
free I am a precarious, free lancer with no health
care in Zorn's in New York. And guess what, the
buses aren't free.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yet, not yet, wait till jan I am I And
then I was. I had that thing because I woke
up at like six am, hard wake up, and it's like, so,
you know in my tie and that's three am. This
is interesting. Yeah, But then I'm like, okay, so what
do I do? I get up and like be like
an insane person and be like, I know if it's
I'm going for a run.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Wait.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, that's literally what I did, of course, and it
made me feel crazy.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
That's the dream I think my life would be so
in my career, to be honest, would be so much
better if I was just constantly jet lagged coming from
lex New York, because the only time I'm waking up
naturally in the morning, I'm doing a morning routine. I'm
doing my like morning pages, and then I'm selling a
show by seven.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
That's true. I today also was like it's blustery outside,
it's gray, And that actually was really doing a lot
for me because that's what we've said. Sometimes. It's so
nice to have an external factor to be like, oh god,
it's stressful outside.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah. Well, you also can't appreciate the sunny days unless
you also have grey days.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
No, you can't.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
That's why everyone in la is like, I can't remember
my age and I also got brain damage from too
much pilates.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Can I say something I better? I'm on a podcast.
I was looking at people who are also out running
at six point thirty in the morning.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, and you were like, what, you're having had sex
in seventeen years?

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, I'm like, so what did you do last night? Like,
so you're just staying all the time and like getting
up early. No, it's people are playing soccer and like,
so you're on an email thread with like forty other
guys and you're all getting up and no one's late.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Oh you better believe. It's a WhatsApp thread and people
are copying in pasting gifts and sometimes they work and
sometimes they don't.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Also, people are like fully tackling each other six point
thirty in the morning in soccer, where by the way
you're not supposed to do that.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
And again I'm asking, what are those people's sex lives like.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Well, of course there's a deeper roticism to it. Well,
of course, one guy knocked over another guy and then
he was getting up and just grabbed his ass.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Oh, you were jerking it in the corner. You're like,
I'm glad I woke up earlier for this.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
I was like, I don't have friends like this. Yeah,
it's like me and my friends don't grab each other's ass.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Well, you know, this goes back to our mixed feelings
sort of about hobbies more broadly, where yes, we classically
judge people who were like, why can't hear your hobby
just be binge drinking and hang out with gig guys,
Like that's like what a serious adult would do, and
so we're like laughing at him, blah blah, Oh you
take a pottery class, loser. But then of course we I.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Do crave it, No, we crave it so bad.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
And sometimes when I'm like in a table around all
my friends and we're like, once again having the same
conversation we've had seventeen more times about someone we hate
that lives in Los Angeles. I'm like, I wish I
was in a flag football team. Just just switch it
up for me, just like for once in my fucking life.
I'm not going to get any younger.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
I mean literally, I was watching them. I was like,
I don't even know if I could play that rough
these days.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
No, it hurt my back, no, which is.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Really pitiful to be Like, if that happened to me,
I'd be out. I'd be like going to the hospital
and I wouldn't get to grab ass.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Wow, stup, it's all messed up. Should be bringing our
guest Jinks. Gotcha jinks Y Minesota. I learned that on
Kim Possible.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
And it never clicked for me, And I know I
was like.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Why is she saying I drop it?

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (05:48):
And also was that a thing before Kim Possible?

Speaker 2 (05:50):
I think it was, but not that the ou a
soda thing was. It's regional depends on what.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Oh yeah, yeah, in the Midwest they say you owe
me pop.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Or it would be like now you have to like
be quiet for an hour or something.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, what do you think? Excuse me? What do you think?
What do you think of? Like things like okay, there's
a category of things like that you know what else included?
It's eleven eleven make a wish things where like you
want to sort of instill day to day life and
coincidences with meaning. And I think I actually where I

(06:24):
come out. You would expect me to start this and
say and I think that was the RS stupid.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
I actually think it's fun. Well, you did start this
day by pointing out my coffee cup where.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
It says I hard you see what is the cafe
called let's shut them?

Speaker 2 (06:39):
It was like Grand Coffee.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Oh no, it's George Severis, actually George Saverias.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Should we bring in our guests, yes, please do the honor.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Oh my god, I'm like, I'm actually so excited to
have this guest on.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
I'm sorry, this is.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Kind of an og. This guest has like a place
on my household. M there's a video this guest did
many years ago that my husband quotes all the time.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
And I told him yesterday, I said, you know who's
on the podcast tomorrow I'm going to move to Boston
with my cousin. And he said, oh, I gasped, So
please give it up for leave of peers.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Thank you?

Speaker 1 (07:10):
What is uh?

Speaker 3 (07:13):
I'm worse.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
I'm horse too. I don't know if you can tell.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Yeah, I'm worse because I feel like, yeah, I haven't
been talking at it. This is like my first time
talking all till it's pretty.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Early, really early.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
I like being wake up this early because I work
from home. So when I wake up this early, I
go on the train and everyone and it's a different
fashion on the train.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
You mean like it's work work.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Wait, you're so right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Because usually I take the train in like the middle
of the day with the rest of the losers, the
rest of the one errand and everyone's in their sweatpants.
When I go on the train in the morning, I'm
like admiring everyone's like looks, because everyone looks so good.
Like I'm like seeing this like chic woman, totally bright
soak scarf, and then he's like all these guys I

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was seeing a lot of Like I feel like, like
baggy corduroys are in and that was really cool to
see that.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
It's time cool to see And Maggie, Corduroys are very
big for straight guys right now because it's like they're
way to rebel a little bit. Yes, And it's like
Todd Snyder baggy black even Cordua Wow.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah, or dark Brown. I was seeing a businessman who
is like typical businessman look, but then with Cort right,
so I was kind of.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
Like, okay, maybe he is a progressive nonprofit.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah, my gosh.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
There's something about I have to say seeing business people
walk around where it's like there's so many of them
and yet I don't know anyone personally. Yeah, so I'm
sort of like, none of you are real.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah, like this is well, they're interesting. You know what's interesting.
It's the opposite of how people who like have normal
lives and you know, go to work every day feel
when they go to a they're like once a year
comedy show and they look around and they're like this
this like seeing everyone around me be so pronouns is

(08:59):
like like my version, it's like this is Oh, it's
so fun to be in Brooklyn for one day. Everyone
here has an asymmetrical haircut. That's how we feel when
we happen to be on the subway at ten am,
like one day a year.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, I'm literally where do you all get your clothes?
Like they all go the same plan.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Well, you know, this is the other thing I find
myself judging the people not wearing cool business clothes, And
I'm like, who the fuck are you to judge? You're
literally like I look like shit every day and I'm like,
oh my god, that guy's wearing like pants with some
stretch on them to work with a blazer.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Yeah. I judge a lot, and I judge a lot fit.
I judge fit a lot in terms of like the
fit of them.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Me too, I'm like, that's not brightly tailor.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
It's a little tight, Like the pants are a little sure.
Like I get really because I think a lot about
fit as lesbian. Obviously it's everything to me. I live
and die by it. But yeah, so I get. And
then it's like, yeah, I just like, well, guess what
they have to wear that every day? Like, at a
certain point, you can't wear your good fitting pants every day.
You have to pull out your capris on Friday or whatever.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
So you were saying, they do have good fitting pants,
but they only have like one pair.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
That's a terble way.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah, because I actually don't think about Look. I think
that it's like, first of all, for a lot of
these guys, their wives are buying the clothes.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yeah, let's start there.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
And then I also think there's a sort of you know,
they have the story that they discovered when they were
like twenty three, had their first job, and they're doing
like five for one sale on Fridays in January. They're going,
they're buying. They're saying one olive color, one khaki color,
one tope, one navy blue, yeah, one kind of crazy,
maybe a light blue for Friday's casual Fridays. And that

(10:36):
is pretty much their repertoire for a full five years. Yeah,
and then it's like the meanwhile we're having elections. There's
a vibe shift.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
I'm like, what do you think they do with that
free time that they don't have to ever go shopping
for themselves?

Speaker 2 (10:52):
You mean, like, what are they up to on Saturdays
and Sundays?

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Soccer?

Speaker 3 (10:56):
Soccer?

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Have you been listening?

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Well, they're running the Big five k?

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Oh my, oh yeah, they're running a five k every day.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Now, tell okay, I actually would love all I want, Yeah,
at this point in my life is to run a
five k every Saturday. And yet why do not? I
know this is so stupid. For some reason, I'm like
extra self conscious today of everything I say. There's something
about this room that the listeners.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
I actually love this stream.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
It's interesting. I feel like we're like putting on a play,
but it's yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, when will they
have five k's that start at eleven am? Why? Why?

Speaker 1 (11:34):
And take it one step further, when will they have
nine to five jobs that start at eleven am? Because
then maybe I would apply.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Oh my god, I was eating a bagel this morning
and it would seem like sort of either an aunt
and niece relationship. We're eating next to me and she
was like, oh, you don't have to be at work yet,
and she's like, no, I get to work at ten,
and then aunt goes kind of late. I was like, no,
that's actually really normal.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
That ant is like the time equivalent of someone being like, well,
I had to take out student loans, so you you
young people should too.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Yeah. It's like, by the way, where's your job right?

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah? Yeah, you're on sixty five plus?

Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
The aunt's probably like married to some guy who's like
running a military operation out of his basement.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Well guess what you sold it?

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Meanwhile, he's bombing countries we've never even heard of on
a daily basis, I guess. And you have the nerve
to judge your daughter because she works at like a
you know, creative agency that does artismal crackers.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
That starts at ten am, please, and she probably works
till seven or eight and she's on email and slack
through midnight.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yes, oh my god, if the client has requests, I
feel so bad for.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Her to that.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
And the aunt or mother was going to the moment
and guess what she was complaining about it. I'm dosing them,
I'm doing them.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Wait what was she complaining about?

Speaker 2 (12:48):
She was like, I've seen everything.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
There's new exhibitions, there's new exhibitions.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Alway, she's like, what am I going to learn? I've
seen it all.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Also, by the way, the moment is like one of
the least interesting museums.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Can go to different.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Go to the freak idiot.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
That's what the daughter or nissa to.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Go to the fren Okay, so she's literally okay, So
the daughter is like a genius, she has an amazing taste.
She's working at a cool progressive company. And her aunt
is coming down being like I voted for Mere Romney.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
So should go to momi oh.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
The Museum of the Moving Image. Whoa, yeah, yeah, she
should take five trains some sort of joke she should
take five trains to go to Astoria or a long
Islands story. So far, it's so far.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
But that's why I feel like people are people forget
about it because it is like you have to go
to outer space to get there. But it is. But
I would say that if you go there, there's always
something to do because there's screenings.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yeah, that's true. And then there's an addition, there's screenings,
and then there's an exhibition that's like two shirts that
were in a cassavettes.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
No, that's really nice.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Behind of the train.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
I'm sorry, but film history museums are the worst because
it is like why are we putting these props up
on the wall like it was more interesting in the
film to move around like this is like it's so boring,
and I just I don't get like it's just like, oh,
you wore this once. Oh so there's a big thing
of like costumes. Cost That's cooler though, because it's clothes.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Sure, beautiful dress.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
But it's like I want to what it is just
like I touched this once, Like now we're going to
do a retrospective Like that is really hard to like
have fun in that space.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Well, of course we're both struggling because we recently had
an experience where we absolutely gagged at a museum like that,
which we'll tell you about in a second. But more broadly,
I do completely agree with you more broadly that it's
like those It actually goes back to. Was it Estra's
topic that was museums with slides in them? Yeah, Esther's
topic was sort of like museum of ice cream like
things like that. Yeah, it goes back to it's like

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people that are afraid of fine art that still want
to experience a museum. Yeah, they're going to go ahead
and go to a film exhibition, a fashion exhibition because
they're like, Okay, I at least understand what addresses.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
So I remember going to DC and I went to
the Newseum a long time ago, and there was literally
an extipit on Anchorman.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Yeah, I'm like, I need to go.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
I'm going. I'm going. We were in Las Vegas and
we were staying at a hotel and just you know,
what we thought was a normal hotel. We're walking through
the casino and I'm hit with the image of Lady
Gaga's lady in red outfit and I'm like, what the
hell is going on here? And it's in a glass case.

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I walk closer. It's an entire Lady Gaga museum in
this hotel.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Of Gaga, Las Vegas.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
And we were like, ha ha, let's walk around like joking, joking, joking,
we're walking through gagging. We cannot stop being like, oh
my god, how do they have this?

Speaker 1 (15:48):
The telephone from the telephone video, the cigarette glasses from
the telephone video, the real meat dress. So this is
get this. We see something that looks like the meat dress,
but it's made of sort of like looks papery. We're like, oh,
it's like a recre with the meatress. Fine, go home,
call Wikipedia. They cured the meat dress, folks. It's the
real meat dress and it's cured.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
I just put my hand.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
But that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
Was did she have like a residency there?

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Like?

Speaker 3 (16:15):
What?

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Why?

Speaker 1 (16:16):
For a second, it was the jazz, the jazz and
the Enigma. Oh that's right, she had Enigma. But yeah,
this has been there for years. It's like we thought
that it was like a temporary like promoting something. This
museum has been there since at least twenty nineteen. Because
according to Wikipedia, that's when the cured meatress made it there.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
To me, that's a sign of like when you're so
famous and you can't have oversight into like everything going on. Yeah,
Like it's like she probably said yes to that like
seven years ago. It's like she totally forgotten meat dress
is there?

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Totally.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
It's like you have two meetings to keep track of.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Well, that's like her in house labs. She every month
someone extra reminder, like you run a pretty global makeup line.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yeah. There was a point when I was trying there
were four men walking in front of me in Vegas
and we're trying to figure out if they were gay
or not. And because four men walking together and come on,
uh and they passed the Lady Gaga museum and not
one of them, not one of them, look, not one

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of them stopped and said, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Not one of them said boys, pause up, hold on.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Do you wint have I check out this store really quick?
Not one? So yeah, so there's yes, So there's the answer.
But I still I followed them for a little long.
Something wasn't right about them, and I was going to
get to the bottom of it.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Very like all the way homes.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Have you been to Vegas. Nope, do you have any interest? Nope,
and we didn't either. But then you go there and
suddenly there's a Lady Gaga museum in your hotel, and
you're like, I guess I have to come here every year.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Well, this is again sort of how business people aren't real.
And then it's like the one hotel we happen to
be and has the ladygg museum. It's starting to feel,
you know, you start to go a little crazy. Yeah,
because it's like, wait.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Wait, what's the connection between business people to me?

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Because I'm like, wait, everything is just I'm the only
real person on it.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Oh yeah yeah, no one else can see this. Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah NPCs.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
And I'm yeah, exactly, So what so MPCs is such
a fascinating thing. Yeah, where did that come from? It's
video gameme? No, I mean yes, But when did people
start using it as like an insult in non jam
games space?

Speaker 2 (18:25):
No?

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Okay, sorry, never mind what I said.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
Try, but but I come in with a crumb of
knowledge totally, I really, because.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
It's such a perfect insult. It's it's actually such a
perfect insult. And I think I learned it late and
I don't want to say it because I seem so
dated if if I say it, but it is true
that there are MPCs in the world.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
And I want to say everything's relative. You know, your
crumb could be a cookie size to us.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
And why I sort of inherently trust you. I feel
like they're like, no, well, I remember when I first
sort of became aware of you. I learned that you
went to the University of Chicago, and I have an
early memory of someone being like, the only university with
smart people is the University of Chicago. And so now
whenever I hear I don't even remember who told me that,
but whenever I hear that someone went to you, I'm like, oh,

(19:09):
so they're like, it's like this krem de la creme. Intellectually,
it's like how.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
I think Ricky Martin's the best thinger in the world.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
I really wanted to go to Northwestern to do to
major in television, and I was actually, well.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
You are you need a degree to work in television.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
A lot of people will tell you that it's.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
It's really active TV degree.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
I they have like radio TV foam, and I applied
this is so boring, but I applied early decision didn't
get in. Sobbed taped my rejection letter in like a
psychopathic way, like to the ceiling of my bedroom and
be like wake up and stare at it and be
like like like I will make this story.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Okay, So this is why I go into Momi. For
you is a really tough experience.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
And my parents, my parents were really the ones because
my parents are teachers, and they were they were the
ones who were like didn't even know. They were like
you really have to like and they were like obviously
like being crazy about my application totally blah and uh
So then I kind of I kind of went there,
not reluctantly, but but then when I got there, I
was like I love it here.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yeah, got into it.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Well that's good at least.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah, yeah, good job.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
But just to say I was trying. I was trying.
I was did to my and to me, I was like,
there's no one like I'm like, Julie Lee Dreyfuss didn't
go here. This school sucks. I really like dumb. I
came in sure like not you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Because you guys are all losers. None of you are
famous actors exactly.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Like everyone was like extremely brilliant, like I don't know,
they had all read like they'd all read like Fucau
in sixth grade. And I'm like coming in and I'm like,
by the way, the theater scenes kind of lacking things,
like I was really trying to and I had only
cared about Chicago for like improv theaters, and so I was,

(20:58):
can I worried from I'm from Maine?

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Really?

Speaker 3 (21:02):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Interesting?

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Yes? Almost is my topic?

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Well yeah, yeah, I mean there's so much there. My
favorite thing about Maine is being like whereabouts no nothing? Yeah,
I love to be like, so where in Maine? You
could say any words.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
It's the big one.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
It's Portland, Okay, that one.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
I've had some nice times in Portland.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yeah Airport.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Airport, Yeah, that's one of the classic airports.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
Well they have like a big like where they used
to have like that kind of they have like kind
of whales and boats hanging and like moose like hanging
from the so it feels cozy, you know, you get there.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yeah, So why so you're obsessed with improv?

Speaker 3 (21:42):
I was obsessed with improv. And it's sad to say
it's because of Bossy Pants.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Really, I love boss.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
I read bossy Pants was like like my stuffed animal,
Like I like, I really it really came out at
an impressionable age for me, and I read it like
thousands of times for reason, like so like its sickening.
It's like certain lines are still well I always. My

(22:09):
favorite part of bossy Pants that everyone forgets is that
she has a story where she yells at her lesbian
prints and she says, get the dikes in the car,
and that's in print, and you can go back, find
your copy, find your coffee, go to the chack.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
I mean, get the dikes in the car. That's merch.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
I mean that's merch. She like she would say that. Yeah,
Like I'm sort of like, good for you for being
honest putting it in print.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
I think it was the first time I read the word,
oh my god, Like I never like no one had
ever said that because man is straight, Like I didn't,
I didn't really have I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
What's complicated is like when you get into the rural Northeast,
it does become quite lesbian.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
As well, I know, but like no one says the
word like it's just kind of like it's just kind
of like yeah, like Pam is living in the woods.
She's like she's clearly less. Even no one says the
word correct me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
To me, I'm like, there are a lot of lesbians
and even gay guys occasionally, but there isn't community. Am
I wrong to say? Like, I don't think of Maine
as like, I'm sure there are a couple of gay bars,
but I don't think of it as like, oh, the
whole group is getting together and they're all doing an activity.
It is like couples living miles away from one another. Yes,

(23:22):
and sort of like maybe cooking math.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
George, it's my home. Yeah, sure, I'm I feel like,
is that your experience, myth or what?

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yeah, well, yeah you.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Would say that. Yeah, certainly there's people off in the woods,
like doing their own thing. They're kind of like I'm
the like I am the leader of my own world
over here. Yeah, but I I yeah, I do feel
like there are lots of lesbians, but yeah, I would
never know because they blend in their like scenery, like
I took me along. Like now when I go home,
I feel like I'm like hyper aware.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
And I totally like get the decks in the car.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
I like get the decks in the car, but I
would love to see. I think it would be amazing
if you could, like, like in animals before an earthquake,
if you could like do some sort of like sound
or call or alarm that only lesbians could hear, and
you could like just stand in a field and like
all these lesbians would come out of the woods.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Oh wouldn't that be great? And then they could find
and then you wouldn't need like targeted advertising on Instagram
that you pay fifty dollars a day for for no reason,
doesn't do anything.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Yeah, but yeah, I would love to. Like I feel
like it's sad because I wish, I wish I knew
more lesbians when I was a kid, and I'm like,
I would love to find them, but they are so deep.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah, they're far in there and on.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
Their properties like down you know, Sandy Beach Roads, whatever.
But it's like you can't They're not going to be
out in the light of day, Like they might go
grocery shopping in the morning, but then they're like home
the rest of the day, cooking with the dogs.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Like I do feel when I go to Misha's parents
it's upstate. He was very far Upstate New York and
there's this dive bar we go to and there's always
a surprising amount of lesbians there in a way where
I'm like wait what Like like I'm like, wait, everyone,
like you guys all chill here. This is crazy cool?

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Wait what what is crazy about?

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Well? I'm just like, maybe maybe you need to like
find the local bar that people go to.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
That Oh yeah they're there, yea, yeah, go to the
bar of them.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Now, there's this one like really awesome leather bar in
Portland that has like the oldest leather gaze ever. But
I've never seen lesbian there and it's really like it's
really like sixty plus guys.

Speaker 4 (25:38):
Sure full like Sam is writing it down.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yeah, I'm wondering if I've already been.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
It's like it's like the only one I.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Think I.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Probably I'm actually forgetting it's a cross whatever. It's in
logflow square.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Sure, sure, I don't know. That's my amazing take.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
Should we do it for a segment?

Speaker 2 (26:02):
I think we should. So. Basically, our first segment is
called straight Shooters, And in this segment, I'm going to
ask you a serious rapidfire questions to gage your familiarity
with incomplicity and straight culture. It's basically this thing or
this other thing, and the only rule is you can't
ask any followup questions or will scream so louditude you're
going to want to move to the damn woods. Okay, ready, Yes,

(26:29):
Tate mcray or Tate modern same.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Modern, relevant conversation. Yeah, call your girlfriend or I love Garfield.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Oh, call your girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Income inequality or findom sexuality.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Finndom sexuality, the boy is mine? Or yeah, tap is fine?

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Yes, life expectancy or wife respect me?

Speaker 3 (26:57):
Please, wife respect me? Please?

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Affordable housing or no, thank you? Just browsing?

Speaker 3 (27:04):
No, thank you, just browsing.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
A missed opportunity or pissed off at you and me.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Missed opportunity.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
Oh, lacking media literacy or backing the Confederacy.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
Oh god, well, lacking media literacy.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Oh interesting, huhh, this is interesting. You know, after our
House of Gaga Las Vegas visit, I feel even more
compelled to rank someone's performance on a scale of zero
to one thousand, more than ever. Now, more than ever
it is important to numerically, and I just want to say,
we've been accused of giving people two high scores recently,

(27:38):
have we?

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (27:40):
I don't think this is the time to go low
because I think that was a perfectly lovely performance. That
would be very reaction that would be very reaction. Yes, exactly.
I even think we should do anti reactionary and go
even higher than we normally would.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
I think a thousand doves.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
A thousand doves. Wow, that's huge for.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
You, real huge.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Yeah, I just come and rely. Yeah I could feel that.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
No, you are very relaxed.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Is that something you cultivate?

Speaker 3 (28:10):
I don't know. I just I don't know how to
be relaxed. How I got this way?

Speaker 2 (28:16):
But I I think maybe you were born.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
No, you were.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
You know what is so awesome that? I mean, this
is something many people have said before. But it's just
like it's like she's straight.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
No, totally, No, It's it's amazing. Not only is she straight,
but she she is the most half hearted. Like one
time said she was by and then I was like,
you guys are doing by rasure. No, she is fully
a straight woman who went to n YU.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
Yeah, she's so straight. She's so straight, and like she
is down for learning about everyone else, but she's she's
not at the end of the day, like she wants
a man at home.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Well not just that, but I would argue, again, I'm
a huge fan, you know, I would love for her
to come on the pod. I would argue when she
made Born this Way, that type of language was already outdated,
Like a cool girl that went to NYU during that
time would not do Born this Way language.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Well, that's the thing about it, George. It was christ
like she was sacrificing her coolness to be so blame
for us.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
You know, she was very much like she's like, I've
seen what cool is. This one's for Wisconsin. Yeah, Like
I remember even at the time. I mean, obviously I'm
a little bit older than you, but at the time,
I was in college and I was like very involved
in the sort of LGBTQ plus activism scene, and we
were all very much the whole thing was being like

(29:46):
the Born this Way narrative is conservative. It's like trying
to prove you're worthy by saying, oh, I can't help it. Like,
in fact, it's much more liberating and empowering to be
like anyone can self determine whichever way they see fit,
whether it's gender, sexuality or whatever.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
And by the way, I don't know when I went
to school the same conversation happening about born this Way,
so like they're still working out that's what college just four,
I like literally would be like born this Way does
scorus first?

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yeah, I guess it's probably still happening. I think now
it's just I feel like then it was happening for
gay and now it's happening for trans.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Yeah, because like born this Way was like that was
a phrase. I was like that she just picked up on,
like she just kind of absorbed that.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Yeah, she was like walking through teachings. I love that.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Wait, I actually have a question. Literally, I now can't
remember the phrase born this Way pre Gaga. What was
the status of that? Is that something people would say?
Was it like a catchphrase? I think it started with Neanderthals.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
No no, no, I signed in the Roaring twenties.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Why are you dancing like that? Sugar?

Speaker 1 (31:02):
But were people going around being like I was born
this way? Or did she invent that?

Speaker 2 (31:06):
No? Yeah, crazy invented that.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
You guys are being so rude.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
It's like I wish I knew, I wish you guys.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
I don't know when it was said for the first time.
I don't think we were saying.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Sam, I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Oh my god, I didn't know I was gonna get
quizzed today.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
I also love that in the lyrics, it's I was
born this way.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
She's playing a gay character so that we can you know,
similar to you go to the theater, you see someone
doing her role so that you can experience Catharsis.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Like she's doing kabuki.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
All feel our darkest.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Thought totally, our darkest hearts, which are I was born
this way?

Speaker 3 (31:54):
Yeah, I was born this way.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Oh no, Well, it's always my favorite. My favorite thing
with her, of course, is being like I'm such a
fucked up, weirdo loser like you guys right, It's like, hey,
stop that, don't say that about no completely, I'm such
a fucking loser, pervert freak with.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
No Yeah, and the audience is like gay teams with
their moms. Yeah cool. Oh, sorry to bring this is
just like SUD fifty four.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Sorry to bring up Vegas one more time, but like
Gaga is one thing we went to see Lord.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
We saw Lord in Vegas.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
We saw Lord in Vegas, which was to die for it.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
I've never seen a lie.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Do you care about Lord?

Speaker 3 (32:28):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (32:29):
You should see because she's to die for it them.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Let's talk about it.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Let's talk about it. Well, well mostly, but the thing
I wanted to say is there was a point where
Lord is like duct tape this, I mean the DUC tape.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
But when the m duct tape is on, duct tape
stays on during sex.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
No.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
I just love how celebrities are like, I'm not saying
non binary, it's weird, Like like they're like, non binary
is gross, weird and a bad word.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
You know, it's interesting, it's not. I think it's it's
specifically the words. It's specifically the word non binary. And
the words they them are quote unquote out of style.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Well there they are like they are terrible.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
It's like it's it sucks. That's no obviously, But then
it has not changed the identity. The identity still exists,
and all those people that are being like he Ama
lam still believe it. They're just like, oh God, can
we come up with a new one.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
It's like I say, I'm to them and I literally
wish I had a cool word.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Can I add something? Speaking of things that were trending
in college when you were in college, did was there
any inkling left of g as a pronoun like z h.
That was one of the first when I was in
college and people were still figuring out, yes, figuring out
they them and they hadn't landed on day them. Another
option was gizure.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Yes, I mean I hear I obviously it's like I
hear that. I feel like I've read about people.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
I've never yeah the story never met never met as
jesuer No, yeah, me neither.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
I think what was more and was just like she
that he like that was what was like. People would
just be like, oh oh and that was more just
like so, I feel like people had dropped gesure as
much or there's just like faith faith.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
I've never heard that, nor like faith. I'm sorry faith,
and you're.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Like no, no, no faith, That's what I said.

Speaker 5 (34:31):
Not faith faith, yes, like done away, Yes, okay, she
she she is to me, well, she has the masculine
in her woman.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Day she's a man, just like Lord.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Exactly exactly what Lord did this thing?

Speaker 2 (34:52):
I wanted to say where she was like tonight, it's
for the freaks, and it was like it wasn't for
the This is so normal.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
I always think about that Chris Fleming joke. That's like
Saint Vincent thinks that she's weird, but she's actually like
her whole, her whole like weirdness is like carefully vetted
by like n Yu gods, and there's no real risk.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yes quite, I could.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
No, no, sorry, Chris, I'm sorry, but it's really I
always see it's a great joke.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Sat Vincent is one of the most like fascinating figures
culturally speaking, and also kind of in my personal life.
I feel like my you can track my thoughts on her,
my thoughts on her map directly to like my evolution
as a person, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yeah, yeah, sure, it's sort of like you're you're political.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
There was just and I just want to say, like
I still I actually recently saw her sort of randomly
cashoe open for someone else I saw, but I I
saw her a bunch of times when I was younger.
I used to think she was like the coolest person.
And then there was one day where I truly woke
up and it's like it hit me. I was like,
she's a complete fraud, and I like haven't been and
I don't actually think that. I think she's obviously very talented,
but like I haven't been able to unsee that opinion.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
I think you and a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Yeah, like and I think a lot of people. Did
you go through that with her?

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Yeah, I mean I wasn't. Yeah, I feel like I
came to her later and I was, I mean, New
York is in New York without you love obviously big
when you're sad.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Totally, but that was honest.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
But to me, that was the turning. That was the
beginning of.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
Did you think that song was like crin yes You're Dead?

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (36:22):
I was like, I was like, what the hell, Like
I like that song, but it was and the references
are like tourist attractions. It was like we're going to
like the NYU building up on ask her?

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Yeah. Yeah, I liked her like eat like her m moment.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah, I guess it's it's not maduction. Yeah. I went
to that tour. It was great.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Yeah, yeah, that was like the last I feel.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Like, like fun totally. I agree that was now like.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
It's like this stuff with it. She's like I can't
stop talking about how her dad's rich and but he's
in jail.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Yeah, well I do think I get what she was
doing with that.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Sorry, I'm looking at you like you're making up.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
I'm like, do you know leaving this?

Speaker 2 (37:07):
No, I haven't heard about this.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Her dad was in jail for white color crime and
then got out of jail, and that's why the album
was called Daddy's Home. Oh, but then she was also like,
it's not funny. But also Daddy's Home was also being
a little fade done away. I thought I thought she
was being Lord wink and microdocing m Yeah, I thought
she was being Lord.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
No, it's up with Lord's parents stuff, because it's like
and this, it's like it's like she's her dad's intense,
but her mom has trauma.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Her mom Like.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
That, can I make it any more obvious?

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Her mom? You told me this?

Speaker 3 (37:39):
Herm Her mom's okay.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
But it's like in New Zealand, everyone's kind of a
I like the line.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
My mom's trauma. Yeah, what my mama's trauma. That was
really good.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, No, that was really good.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
I wonder what happened to her mom. But I know
I'm not supposed to ask.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Yeah, that would be rude.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
You meet Lord, You're like, don want to ask her
to have an her mom don't know what? Don't know?

Speaker 3 (38:02):
When these artists are like singing so much and being
vague and you're just like.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Oh, I know you're kind of like, let's where is
the spark notes?

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Well literally that's what like genius is supposed to be
the lyric and be like her mom was yelled at
a guy? Yeah, in two she was walking down the
street and a guy yelled outside the car.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
What if her mom was also? What if someone yelled
at her mom? You walk like a bitch and trauma the.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Curse of her family? Everyone in that family walks like
a pitch.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
You think walking like a bitch is learned or is
born this way? Behavior? And and follow up question? And
I want to answer both. Which narrative would be more
liberating to you? If walking like a bitch was innate
or if you were able to choose it.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
I think I think if it's learned, it's more liberating, Okay,
And because yeah, it's like it's like what you're gonna
argue and you're gonna.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Say that is it learned? Learned? If it's learned, it's liberating.
But is it learned?

Speaker 3 (39:02):
I think when you're this is my theory of being gay?
I can't wait to.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Say the turn the volume up.

Speaker 4 (39:09):
Folks, I think it's my mess for words for Trump.
Turn he hate with that, Okay, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
I started to that though. That was kind of crazy.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
That was cool.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
This next message is Donald Jay. I think. Here's what
I think. When you're a baby, you look at people
and you're like that person's school and from the day
your baby, you want to be like them.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Oh so your influences are subconscious from when you're a child.
It's like a cool uncle quote aunt, like someone who
saw because.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
It's undeniable that, Like I feel like it's like undeniable
of that, like gay guys only look at women as babies.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
I feel like, sorry, you know what's crazy. Here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Literally, when I was a baby, my dad I have
for like for like a year or two when I
was a baby, had a job in a different country
and I didn't see him as much. And I actually think,
and George is gay now and I'm gonna and I
love my dad and we have a good relationship, but
there's there's like a slight distance that is from that time.

(40:17):
It's not and he was what I rest my case, No, yeah,
how about you?

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Well, you know this gets really complicated because obviously my
mother and father were both in the picture the equal amount.
But get this, I had a sister.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
I had, and he had an older sister.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
An older sister.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
This theory mostly applies to gay guys. I don't know how.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Yeah, I mean I was also, like, on top of that,
partly raised by both my grandmother's. I mean it was
matriarchy boots.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Okay, okay, So.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Are just men everywhere?

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Okay, I know, I know for me, I'm like, I
don't know. For me, I can say I was like read,
I was. I love GQ.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Early on, Yeah, I love reading Details magazine, Body training.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Yes, Like I remember going to visit my grandparents when
I was like probably like six or seven and being
at the airport and my mom is like, you can
pick one magazine and when we go visit grandparents, and
I would pick GQ and just like look at the watches,
look at the blazers.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Interesting.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
And then it became a thing where like every time
I traveled, I wanted cheek.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
So that is so amazing. Little men's were influencers.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Yeah, and mine was that I was obsessed with Mermaids
because I like the way that, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
So cheeky was my Mermaids and for me, like my
Mermaid was like Blazer with hoodie, Like from.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
What I was, that's so bad Blazer. He really did
make a splash for a while. Yeah, across all spectrums. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Well then it reached its peak during the sort of
Justin Bieber era.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Oh wow, oh my god. Yeah, people were like a
he would were like a tuxedo jack, like it was
crazy what he was hearing.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
The When I think of Justin, I understand that Justin
Bieber has become a huge star and as an adult
and is.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Like I'm glad you understand it is like.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
And is obviously like someone at the level of like
whatever Drake or someone else that's like a big male
pop star. But the early Bieber imagery is so strong
to me that when I think of Justin Bieber, I
think of a little kid with the with the hair soup.
I have not whereas like when I think of Demi Lovado,
I think of Emilevado. Today, I don't think of a

(42:32):
Disney star. But I have not updated my opinions on
Justin Bieber and it's now been like twenty years. I
think I still think of him as a child.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
I think it's the name, like literally the sound of
Bieber so Bieber, Like if you were like, I'm just
justin yeah, yeah, and then I'd be like, Okay, you're
a different guy.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
Now you guys believe that thing. That's like, that's like
you're the age you get famous is the age is
the age you stop aging?

Speaker 2 (42:58):
I love.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
This is the problem, the problem, the problem with Taylor Swift.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Yeah, because you do believe it, Yes, you believe.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
Yeah, it's like you stop kind of like.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
And your and it's just like your gender stops when
you are around men or women when you're a child,
and then your age stops when you become famous. Yeah,
but I do basically believe it.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Yeah, That's why I'm like, I'm like, I think it
would be good to I think it's cool to get
famous at like.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Fifty, completely really cool, really.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
Cool to like have. Like there are certain actresses where
it's like they did not they were just they were
just literally trying for years and then they had their
first big starry girl on Broadway at fifty.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
I mean I've never heard of these actresses. Think about
Olivia Coleman, I've never heard about that. Yeah, Like she
was consistently working, but she wasn't you wouldn't have known
the name Olivia Coleman ten years ago.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Yeah, but I will say that comparison to that does
scare me because it's like, why not consistently working like
the idea of being like the.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
Idea of like, I don't know, we were talking about you.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Of course we're talking about ourselves. Of course we're talking
about ourselves. Are we not pursuing a comedy? But I'm
always like, like it's fun to look atsse people who
are like big stars and be like they barely had anything,
just consistent TV work forever, just not a big starring role.
And I'm like, well I'm behind on that.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Then sometimes I feel like people who aren't like who
aren't trying to be famous and who aren't sick, well
me like and it is so it is like one
of the most like humiliating like experiences when like someone
who has who is just like a teacher, like they're
there work or they're like working, yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Yeah, say another quession. I want to do it.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
They're working farm.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Grow up.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
I'm like thinking, what my friends, do you have farmer friends? Yes?
And main yeah, yeah, one of my friends was just
managing a farm for the summer that was their job,
and that.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Could be main but it could also be like you
Chicago querdo.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
Yeah, yeah. But I feel like it's like like people
will be like, oh, do you want to be famous?
Like have you ever been asked that?

Speaker 2 (45:08):
No?

Speaker 3 (45:09):
No, really never no, never want to ask that.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
But I feel like I'm being normal the time.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Something that like, because I feel like people who don't
want fame are like why do you want that? Or
like they're like they're like so they're like in their head,
they're like, oh, you're doing shows you want to be famous?
And then it is like it's so embarrassing because it's
like you set the quiet part out loud.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Like well, it's like when people are like I could
never people often will say like, stand up to me
is the single hardest thing I can think of, Like
the idea of like being on a stage alone and talking.
It's like people will be like, I can imagine myself
like being an actor, being whatever, but stand up is
like the hardest thing. And even people in the arts,
like people who are like successful actors or directors or

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something will be like, that's the one thing I couldn't
never do, and you're like so you need to flip that.
It's not that it's a challenging thing that I stepped
up to the plate to do. It's that I am
so ill it is the only outlet that can like
kind of like calm down the inner thoughts.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
Yeah, yes, absolutely. Yeah. It's like it's like you don't
understand from me this it's born this way is born.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
This No the idea that I would ever the idea
that I would ever aspire to it, and and but
but not naturally be drawn to it and be like okay,
like you have to sit down, write your material and
get your stage tribe. It's like that is not how
this works, sweetheart.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, should we do our topic?

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Oh my gosh, yes, is your straight topic today? And
what's straight about it?

Speaker 3 (46:43):
Okay? So my topic is sympathy. And for me what
this is is to me, I feel like I see
this a lot in like, Okay, if you're in, if
you're going to your friend for advice, have an issue,
maybe it's a dating issue, maybe it's a personal issue,

(47:04):
family whatever. It's like to me, the first reaction from
straight people if you bring them any kind of negativity
is just like sympathy, which to me is like actually
they just it's like the it's like the shallowest way
of engaging with that negativity. And meanwhile, I feel like
if I bring an issue to my gay friends, it's

(47:27):
like they're criticizing me. They're able to immediately like dive in,
you know what I mean. Like it's kind of like
keeping like that, like suffering at like a distance almost,
and gay people are more like, well, here's what I think,
and here's how I relate, and here's it and and
here's I want to talk about it. And it's like

(47:48):
beyond empathy. It's like also kind of self absorbed, self involved.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Well, gay people start performing, yeah, gay people.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Start performing, but I think there's more of like a
relish in and straight people are I'm like, oh that's sad.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
It's like dealing with the sick. Like, yes, people are
like I'm not afraid to get sick. Yeah I have work. Yeah,
please don't give me that.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
Well, gay people, it's like it's like they're on an
imminent improv show and your thing is a prompt. You're like,
I'm going through a breakup, like break up, got it?
I was going through a breakup ones, And then they
like go into a story. Yeah, do you feel like
I want to get into sort of like examples of
phrases that are relevant to this, like I'm here if

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you need anything, like the most empty promise that is
a very straight thing to me, or like yes, or
even not to say the obvious, but even something as
simple as like you're in my thoughts.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
I was about to say, thinking of you.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Thinking of you thoughts and prayers, praying for you. Yeah,
so just the most passive. It's just literally being like
here's a bow, I'm putting it on your wound.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
To me, it's like when notres On burned and then
all straight people are post pray for Paris or just
like to me, it's like Instagram graphic of sad thing
heart yeah, okart emoji and then nothing else.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
So basically, sympathy is like on a personal person level,
reacting with a bumper sticker. Someone tells you their trauma
and then you give them a pre written greeting card
and you like, hope this helps.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Yeah, yeah, and yeah, you're you're literally using like canned phrases,
like you're using stock phrases. It's like an inability to
like actually like, to me, a big thing with straight
people is like they do not want to live in reality.
Like like to me, they are even more delusional in
some ways because to them, like they are not questioning,
like it's just like this is how it is, this

(49:43):
is how it is. And I feel like this way
where I mean. I I mean, I feel like my
friends are like, I don't want to come to you
five relationship problems because you're gonna you're gonna have opinions.
And I'm like, of course, I feel like I see
my straight girl friends in their straight relationships and it
is so the scariest stories I've ever heard. Its years,

(50:05):
it's years of this and it's like they come to me.
Everyone else is like the other street people are giving advice.
That's like I'm so sorry, babe, Like I'm here, like
just like text me, I'm around whatever. And it's I'm like,
we need to do mutual aid, like we need, we need,
we need, you need to move out, like we need
to do we need you know what I mean. Like
I feel like I'm more like, let's look at the reality.

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This is untenable, and straight people are like, no, it's
how it is. I gotta go.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
I have a theory I have a theory I want
to propose. Yeah, I could be wrong, of course. Do
you think that so straight people are bad at like
hearing dealing with bad news in a real way. I
think gay people are bad at dealing with good news
in a real way. Yes, Like if you're like I
got if you're like I got a job, they're like

(50:53):
amazing back to me, like yeah, like they cannot hear
good news.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
This is on a See how I felt when Zorn
was elected. I was like, you guys need to relax.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Meanwhile, like I voted for him, it's good, but I'm like,
I'm like, everyone needs to shut up. This is embarrassing.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Yeah, I always feel like get killed during my family
and my parents are like, oh, like I'm excited about this.
I'm like, well, actually, your reality. We're gonna have to
keep them acountable, you know. I think it is like
of course, it's it's one of those things where it's
like gay people are better at dealing with bad news
for good and bad reasons. Like it's like it's like

(51:33):
some of it is like oh wow, we've like learned
and we're and we're we're more like grounded in some ways,
and then in some ways it is like we're also self.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Involved, like addicted to like saving. Yeah, Like it's like, well,
I don't want to be around that. I don't have
to talk.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
It's a very straight mentality to believe the default is
good and so therefore when something bad happens, it's sort
of is a shock to the system, whereas I think
it is a very gay thing to kind of assume
things are bad, right and not trust the good when
it does happen.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Right, When someone selling me good news, I'm like, so,
what are you lying about? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Yeah, yeah, And I also think I think we talked
about this spot, but like there is a I think
gay people think bad is inherently more interesting than good.
It's kind of like, yeah, that's.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
Sort of the lets we hear that, we hear dollar science.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Yes, well, it's also I think we can sell them. Yeah,
either you get packages. I think we can sell this.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Like they're more drawn to critique than to praise. Yeah,
they're very like it's very straight to be like, let
people enjoy things. It's very gay to be like we
should murder the creator of this television series.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
I okay, question for the group. So when it comes
to sympathy versus empathy. Yeah, what's going on?

Speaker 1 (52:47):
I know this is one of those things that I've
like never quite understood.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
I've never understood right now. I just think it literally
feels like empathy is just like in vogue, like it's
like more invoked, but it's.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Been but it's been invoked. Don't you think empathy is
constantly having a moment. Yeah, it's been decades of people
being like, it's about empathy.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
I remember millions of millions of dollars have gone it millions.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Well legitimately though, because it's a billion dollar in it
is fully a buzzword for products. Like I remember when
I was in grad school, there was like this other
sort of like team within the department that was doing
documentary film stuff, and the trendy thing at the time
was interactive documentary and also VR documentary, and the biggest
buzzword was empathy. They were like, we're making a VR

(53:29):
documentary about what it's like to be blind, and so
you like it like messes with your sense or whatever,
and that creates empathy for blind people. I was like, actually,
what it does is it creates a line. At the
Tribeca Film Festival, interactive booth where people are putting on
a VR headset and then they're like taking a picture
with it.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, Yeah. I guess like people are always
like sympathies, like you feel bad, and empathy is like
you feel bad and you can imagine.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
You like really feel bad.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
Yeah, you feel bad and you can use eye statements.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Empathy is like you have multiple personality disorder and you're
actually completely disassociating because someone told you that they are sad.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Yeah. Sympathy is like you're making me sad by being sad. Stop,
and empathy is like whoa you are sad about that?
I am sad?

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Maybe is the difference, like, yeah, is the difference that
sympathy is almost like condescending. It's almost like you're in
a someone tells you I'm going through a breakup. You're
being like, oh, sweetie, you're inherently in a position of power,
and you're almost like, wow, you're suddenly my child that
I'm taken care of, whereas empathy is like okay, I'm
feeling it with you, like let's move through it together.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
Yeah. I think I think empathy is more gay because
it is like a going back. We're like oh away
in for me, Like and I do think I do
this all the time, and I have to and I
have to curb myself where like someone will be talking
about like a breakup or something and I'm like, totally,
so here's my history. Start to finish, like I'll like
go through beat by beat, and then it's like I

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get I completely forget what the other person's even talking about,
Like I get so deep down memory, like in the
middle of suddenly like wait, is this helping?

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Like you're like going through intergenerational trauma. You're like, I'm
in a war.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
I know my mom's trauma.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Yeah, sympathy is a Broadway show. Empathy is Sleep No More?

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Whoa sympathy is Hamilton? And empathy is Sleep No More?

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Yeah? Yeah WHOA one isn't better than the other. Yeah,
you know one you're in when you're watching.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
Yeah, absolutely absolutely yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Yeah. If you had to watch one of those every
single night for the rest of your life, which would
you choose?

Speaker 3 (55:36):
Sleep no More?

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Well, ire Hamilton.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
You can't rest in sleep no More.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
You get to walk around. You can watch a different
show every night. I think I've never seen it.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Wait, it has to be Hamilton or it's like any.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
Well, because I think those two are sort of emblement.
Those those are both kind of like Obama era. Yeah,
ten poles.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
Yeah, I think sleep no More because you know, I
mean alleged lee are supposed to be able to see
different things, and there's like different things around every corner
you get grabbed.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Yeah, it could be kind.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Of fun and you're there's like hot dancers.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
There's a really good episode of Law and Order SVU
that takes place at a fake sleep home where someone
like everyone's watching and assault happens in every No, it's
part of the performance.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
Oh my god, that's awfu.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
It's actually so dark, but it's an amazing episode.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
There's a really great Girls episode about an interactive play.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Oh, I know talking about Yeah, it's really good. Never
got sold?

Speaker 2 (56:35):
What what what? Oh?

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Never gets old?

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Never gets old?

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Never got sold?

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Me too. I'm like, we are really miss hearing you
in crazy ways.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
No, sorry, I'm no, it's so.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
What do you think about sympathy being a knife?

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Oh, it needed to come up.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
And needed to come up. Well, yeah, I think it is.
I think, of course, Yeah, I agree it is.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
I think it's very perceptive that it's a knife, and
I actually think if that song is about Taylor Swift,
I think Charlie's like, sympathy is a knife, and then
Taylor Swift is like I was actually being empathetic.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's yeah. I'm most like,
what happened? She came up to her and she's like
and she's like, you're not that famous, are you.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
She's like, oh, what is such? I hate it must
hurt to be brune.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
Yeah yeah, but it is so like I'm sure, I'm sure.
I mean they're both jealous of each other, like.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Yeah, I know, it's really well, it's Charlie jealous.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
I think Charlie maybe she's like she's about her own
thing going on.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
I think it's implementing. I think Charlie sees the popularity
of someone like Taylor and is like, this is everything
that's wrong with the wild like she's she's it makes
her upset on a more systemic level, but Taylor can
only see things on a one to one level. She's like,
you either love me or you hate me, And if
you hate me, then I'm going to write album about you.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (58:05):
It's very it's like black and white totally black and white.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Yeah, no, she's literally.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Wow, she's like a dog. Wow you heard it here first?

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Wow was she born that way?

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (58:22):
No, because she was frozen at.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Oh yeah, she was frozen when she got famoused.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Yeah, okay, so pretty much that sympathy.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Yeah, any final thoughts on sympathy.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
I would just say, like I think to gay people like,
let's let's try and do better at listening when something
bad is happening and not going back to you. And
also I think let's I do think it's so true
of like gay people can't be happy for.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Each other, you think so. But do you think straight
people can? I guess yeah, I think.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
They can because they're like they're kind of like there's
not like a sense, there's not like a sense of
it's like we're all going to get it, like we're
all going to heaven. That's the vibe, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
Yeah, there's enough to go around.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
I know gay people, it does feel like it's like.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Yeah, they're going to but but what about And I'm
about to explore a sexist trope, so bear with me.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
You can't wait.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
The trope of like a girl girlfriend group, one of
them gets married first you're jealous. Yeah, and again I
know it's a trope. I'm not supporting it, but what
do you think of it?

Speaker 3 (59:41):
And then they're jealous because they're like single, yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
And they're not they're eating exactly and yeah exactly. They're
like they're smiling, but there's blood coming out of their
eyes and they're like, I'm so happy for you.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Yeah. Well, I do think like if you're getting rejected
a lot, that that makes you a little bit more
guy because you're just experiencing difficulty and what's supposed to
be easy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
I know, in many ways, being a single gal is
gayer than being just like a gay guy.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
I'm like, yeah, I like because your stigma relationship with it, Yes, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Within the within the community of straight women. Uh, let's say,
you know, sort of like sorority sorority type straight women
living in the big city, all of them work in
pr to be single in that community is more stigmatized
than just being gang New York. No, it's true, like legitimately.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
That's why Gaga is allowed to talk about the LGBTQ
plus community.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Because as a single girl in New York, as a
single blonde girl in New York, she is part of
the plus.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
She's part of the plus. If that's not the plus,
I don't know what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Yeah, no, but I but I really do feel that. Yeah,
if you're at the baby shower, at the bat strap party,
everyone else's couples, in your single and in your community,
it's stigmatized to be single. Like you are sitting there
and you're like you're literally like the goth daughter at
the family union.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Yeah, because it's like it's like you're like, yeah, it's
the world isn't fair, which I feel like is like
you get that much quicker you're okay because you're like
nothing's working. Like it's like it's like you're younger, it's
like nothing's working. Like I remember kissing a guy and
just being like unbroken. Like I was like, I was
like this feels crazy. Like this feels so crazy, you

(01:01:23):
know what I mean. And that is like I feel
like if you go through that as a kid, you're
just like you're just like, oh, you can't trust it,
Like you can't trust that the things people say are
going to be good are going.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
To be good.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
This is one of the most you get there and
then they're not.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
No, it's I think also something you're pointing to. I've
always found it so frustrating that like and surprising that
attraction is literally real, like that you like, it is
not chosen.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
It shocks, it does it makes you believe in God
because surely there's someone out there looking out for me.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Because you're like, I shouldn't this shouldn't feel better than that,
Like it's all the same physical stuff. Yeah, and then
you're like, no, this really.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
Works, really doesn't crazy, and like people honestly have really
similar personalities, but one person you're just like, yes, it's
just like wow, what is that? It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
I wanted to say something. I've thought of it when
we were talking abou Lady Gaga for one brief second,
she is the ultimate EmPATH because literally she like watch
a movie about, like, you know, whales, and she'll be like,
holy shit, I'm a whale. Like she like literally can't
not take on the personality of something she's like watching,

(01:02:34):
Like when she sees a gay guy, she's like, I'm
a gay guy. Like she's like, holy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
Shit, that's me, Like lossary, I'm yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
She loves to be like I was a stripper in
New York City and it's like you you were you
like saw strippers. Yeah. No, she does have like.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Porest sense of self. Like she's walking through the world
and each thing she's interacting with it's like she there's
like a little coy pond and she suddenly gets gills.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
Yeah yeah, yes, wait wait, yes, it's like what there's
this Marvel character.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Oh god, oh now everything where.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
It's like I don't know, I literally don't remember what
movie this was.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
I think it was Superman where there was like this
this guy who was like he touched something and he became.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
Superman is DC.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
Yeah, Okay, I don't want to know, you know what
I mean. That's cool. I'm like, I don't even know DC,
but whatever, but he like anyway, that's The.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Kids really.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Love it because it is it is very no but
it's very superhero esque. Well isn't that literally mystique.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Well, she doesn't need to touch stuff, she just can.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
There's multiple people with powers, like.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Lady Gaga is Lady Gaga is sort of but she
has to work Chamelion kind of chameleon. Yeah, well, Mystique
is based on chameleon.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
But it's more like if a chameleon was like I'm
blue and they haven't changed.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
No, she changed, Yeah, she changed her mind.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
She's more chameleon than than mister yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
I also feel like when.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
She mistake a sympathy, chameleon is empathy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Whoa do you think she saw a lady in red?
She's like, I'm going to be a lady in red now.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Probably she literally saw a lady in red and was like,
holy shit, I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
It's funny to.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
Me when she was Joe Calder and she just like
met a man.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
She met a man who was Italian. Yes, and she
was like, that's me.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
Yeah, because even she is though she is Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
She has access to a lot of Italian Yeah, yeah, dude,
to her family.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Even you hesitating for a second and not knowing she
was Italian, it literally made me reconsider like this entire conversation.
I was like, oh god, they actually don't know a
lot about what I got.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
No, no, I'm sorry, I do know that. It's like Germanada, Yeah,
but I don't know. I suddenly I was like German,
but I'm that's just because.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Yeah, sure, sure, it's literally she's saying she's not a German.

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
Yeah, that's such a helpful waiter.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
If you think is Lady Gaga German? Just think Germanna and.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
Then yeah stepfa ne I'm it Sallian.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Should we do our feel sick?

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
I mean we can. I'm having fun? No, we should.
I love the wash of your jeans. Are they vintage?

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Fuck? Is your vintage as well? Yeah? Can I just
go back?

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
Sorry? We we need trap up. But it's like you
mentioned briefly earlier, just like how lesbian Like I would say,
seventy percent of lesbian culture.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Blink, it's not that big blink, big blank, big blank
challenge you were like lock in.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Yeah, it's like so much of lesbian culture is tailoring. Yes,
And it's like how do I access that you are?
It's a it's an instinct, Like of course I also
occasionally will get something tailored. I'm not, like you know,
I'm not a monster, but it is the it is
the equivalent of what like you know, juicing is to

(01:06:23):
gay guys, Like you know what I mean. It's like
it's like the foundation upon which everything else is built.
For lesbians, it's tailoring, and for gay guys it's like
how do I look at in a muscle tank, yes,
and layering and layering.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Is like yeah, because it's like well for me, I
have been to a tailor, of course guilty. But I
also to me, it's a lot about I can't order
anything online, yes, like I have you gotta go and
you have to like you have to spend a day
like going trying things on, like it is like there's

(01:06:57):
no other tests.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
Yeah, then the physical you have to try it on.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
You have to try it on, and then yeah, I
feel like it's all about layers, shape, fall fall so
big with shirts, how do they fall? Draping, draping, I
just reassociating terms texture, texture, thickness. Yeah, but for me

(01:07:27):
it is like it is like it's all about it's
all about like that square that square fit like fills
out the shoulders, falls like below the hip.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Oh, it's like it is erotic like it it really is.
It's literally more erotic than wearing lingerie.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
Yeah. Well yeah for me, yeah for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Yeah. Let's final segment. It's called shout outs and then the
grand straight tradition of the radio shout out. We give
a shout out to anything that we are enjoying, people, places, things, ideas.
We will go first and George, do you have one,
because that would be really amazing. That would be so

(01:08:15):
cool if you happen to have one, And I know
I would be happy about that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Okay, hold on, hold on, it's we think of them
on the spot. So this is by design. We're not
doing anything wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Yeah, we're doing everything right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
Let me think, Let me think, let me think.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Okay, okay, I have one.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Go what's up?

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Freak sosis and perpects around the globe. I want to
give a shout out to watching a movie and hearing
a song in the movie and then being like, wait,
I'm gonna download that album. And I think this is
shunned often in our society. People love to be like,
you didn't know that before that movie came out. No,
that's how I found out about it because I watched
the movie. Sometimes I watch a movie, I say what
is that song? And I'll look up the soundtrack and

(01:08:58):
I'll say, that's the song, and then sometimes it leads
me to something. Usually, yeah, it's a bit of a
dead end on the album. I won't be that interested.
But it was a fun idea to download the album
in that moment, and it's I'm trying to grow and
I'm trying to learn new things and if that's my avenue,
then so be it. Sorry, I don't have people in
my life telling me new music all the time. What

(01:09:19):
if I want something niche? How do people ever find
anything niche? For real? I don't know. You have to
just watch movies and be like, what's that song? That's
my shout out? Xoxo Sam?

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
What's up freaks?

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Some losers?

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
I want to give a shout out to Zara Home.
I don't know who is in charge over there. I
don't know who's in charge. It's probably some span it's
Penelope Cruise's gay cousin, cool gay cousin that she grew
up with, and that's the reason she's so cunt all
the time. But whatever is happening there in this Spain
HQ is pretty alarming because Zara normal is, you know,

(01:09:51):
producing clothes made of tissue paper, sort of emulating like
Valenciaka designs from five years ago. You buy them immediately
they disintegrate. They're all made by little children that that
are like created by AI just to make this one
shirt and then they're put to rest. But something is
happening in Zara Home. The level of sophistication is absolutely shocking.
I am now hearing more and more people I know

(01:10:12):
that are professionals in the core space recommending it, and
there it is higher quality than you would expect, and
it's more well designed than you would expect, and it
has that perfect combination of sort of American functionalism and
you're a pan taste that I just a lot and
go gaga for so shout out to Zara Home. I
would absolutely love a discount code because it actually is

(01:10:33):
a little more price than you would expect. And I
am really looking into yes, and everyone should please reach out.
We love promoting you brands. And I'm really looking into
this stainless steel kind of credenza that would look amazing
in one of my walls.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
Well, there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
I'm gonna give a shout out. I just saw the
movie Blue Moon. I want to shout out Ethan Hawk's performance.
They may a plate that they may him short. He's
a gay guy. He's shorter than you would expect. He
looks like they made him forefront too. He looks so
short in it. I don't know how they did it.
Shout out to Richard link Later for figuring that out.
And you think tricks up the camera and all that.

(01:11:13):
I just thought that Ethan Hawk playing this gay guy
was so interesting. His voice was slightly inconsistent, but I
didn't care. He was having the time of his life
and I could tell that he enjoyed living in that
being that guy. And I just honestly, anyone else who
talked in that movie, I got pissed off. He said,
go back to Ethan. I'm beloving what he's doing. He's drunk,

(01:11:34):
he's gay, he's having a great time. He's actually by
and his character's by and I just feel like he
had his hair slick back. He had maybe prosthetics, I
don't know, but he looked completely different. And I just
think it's awesome that he's kind of a hot guy
actor and he chose to play this timey bye guy

(01:11:55):
and we're a ton of foundation and a crazy wig,
and I just think he was really funny.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
I was listening to culture, like culture, I'm never talking
this movie just this morning at six thirty in the morning.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
I love to be guys, and I've heard going to
watch it. I've heard. I'm not going to say who,
because I don't want to any wan to get mad
I've heard it has a terrible performance.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
I need to know after Well, this has been a
real delight. Thanks for doing the pod.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
Thank you for having me. This was this is I mean,
I'm a longtime listener.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
Lea appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
Would you like to promote anything or tell people where
to find you? Because we are now professionals.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
Oh my gosh, you can find me on Instagram. Chopped Leva.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
Wait, you sort of invented chopped.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
Yeah, I know, I've been chopped for years now.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
It's like it's honest amazing. Yeah, like that's like a
triple on tundra.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
Yeah, yeah, literally, yes, yes, it is. Yeah, chopped Leva.
People think it's chopped Liva, but it's Chopped Leva. And
what am I doing? I'm going to be doing I
think some shows with my musical duo Dukes, which is
my due with Jane wi Kline, and we're gonna have

(01:13:09):
some shows in the winter.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
I think hereo soon.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
Looking forward to it. Okay, bye bye.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
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Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
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Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
Created and hosted by George Severs and Sam Taggart.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
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Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
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Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
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Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
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