"Topical Issues: Gay or Straight?" w/ George and Sam

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, Hello, this is George with a very quick stand
up tour update. You can see me in Portland, Oregon
on August third, San Francisco August seventh, Seattle August eighth, Washington,
d C. August seventeenth, Philly August twenty second, and we
finally have a new Boston date with a ticket link
and everything. Boston is going to be the last stop

(00:21):
on this tour and it's going to be August twenty ninth,
and I can't wait to be back. All tickets are
at George Severis dot com if you just click the
Summer tour section, or at my link tree, or in
all my bios in all major social media platforms. Enjoy
the episode.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Podcast starts now, what is up? Everyone? Around the globe?

Speaker 1 (00:58):
You're looking right at me.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
It's actually kind of it's kind of scary. I didn't well,
I was really taking you in because one we both
decided just to slay.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
We both looked up and chose sleigh.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
I'm gonna can I see something brutally honest? Oh god, no, no,
not about you. I think you look fantastic. Did you
think I was gonna be like you said?

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Brutal?

Speaker 1 (01:21):
I just say I hate this shirt on you.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
I didn't know.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Sorry, I should not have said brutally vulnerable is more like,
oh that's about me, that's time.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
So sorry, I.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Attack yourself all you want. I was really scared.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
No, no, no, I would never.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
First of all, you're allowed.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
To critique mears, just you know, not when I say
we both slay.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
So this is very embarrassing to admit. I bought this
shirt with a very explicit purpose of wearing it once
and returning it. It is more expensive than I would
normally spend on a shirt. To be perfectly honest, I
don't even like it that much. Really, I've had to
get you to it. But I bought it because I
had an event and I did nothing was exciting me,

(02:05):
and I was like, you know what, this is not
something I normally do. I know it's frowned upon, but
I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna wear it once and
then I'm going to return it.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
And then what happened?

Speaker 1 (02:15):
And then I missed the return window, and so now
I need to love it and I need to wear
it constantly in order to pay back how much it costs.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Do you think that when you missed the return window?
Was there a part of your subconscious that wanted to
miss the return window and actually keep it?

Speaker 1 (02:33):
So here's the thing. No, but what I would have loved,
here's my ideal version.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
I go to return it, they say, I'm sorry, we
can only do store credit. That would have been a dream.
Oh that's fun forced to buy something in the moment
that I really love. Yeah, that said, you know, I'm
okay with it. I've accepted it.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Yeah, but it.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Is funny that we're wearing the same exact silhouette of shirt,
which is not a shirt either of us wear very often,
and we're both wearing bright colors. Another thing we don't
do it yet.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah, it's funny because I actually put this shirt on
and I was like, George did be mad at me
because I'm slaying so hard and he's gonna come up
wearing normal clothes and I'm gonna eat his ass up.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
And then you know, oh, you thought one color was slaying, Honey,
I brought the rainbow.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
I really was shocked. I could not have seen George
coming in a Marnie shirt.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Well that's the other you know, that's, of course, the
other unspoken thing about this entire debacle is that you
are a Marnie spokesperson, since you famously debuted your Marnie sunglasses.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
We are a Marne Marni podcast, a Marnie podcast, brought
to you by Marnie.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Brought to you by Marny. You know, I'll say this
when I look at this shirt. Is it made well?
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
No, it's Marnie.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
For crying out loud, you.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Know it is made well. The little tag that says Marnie,
that's true. I actually think they put their whole Marnussi
into making the tag and the rest of it is
very much made in just like a grandmother's basement in
Estonia where she's like, can you get your cousin to
make this?

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Sh Yeah, it does kind of feel like that, but
in a fun way, a fun way. I think it's tasteful.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
It's sort of the material they use for Halloween costumes.
I would say, like, if you get a Halloween cost
and it's like none freest, this is the material they use.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
I'm like, thank god we're a visual podcast. Yes, I mean,
could you imagine if we talked about our shirts the
whole time?

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Speaking of the various offerings of our podcast. This is
a good as time as any to say. You know,
we have an announcement, which is that we are taking
August off.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
We're taking a break for August hiatus.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
And now that that has landed, here's a second part
of that sentence on the main feed. We're taking a
break because you know where we're going to be absolutely
up to date. You better believe our patreon dot com
slash radio lap We're still doing Patreon aps, but not
normal apps.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
In August because on vaking we deserve it. Yeah, I
need to because we deserve it. We need to say
why we deserve it. Sort of okay, I need to
tell I need to dish to this morning. I moved
out of my apartment in Brooklyn, New York City. The
movers came. I don't have keys to it anymore. I
do not live here, the apartment you lived in for
ten years, eight years Obama was president. Take me back.

(05:09):
I was there. I was there when Trump was elected.
It was so I have been such a wreck.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
It is crazy presidential administration.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Isn't that wild?

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Our three best?

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Need I say more? I? Yeah, So I've been moving
out and.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
So how do you feel?

Speaker 3 (05:29):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Sad?

Speaker 3 (05:31):
I feel very sad, sad. It was really like, damn,
I'll never be twenty six again, in like a very
real way. And I was like, I've moved like every
two to three years of my childhood, and so this
is the longest I've ever lived in any place ever, totally.
And I was like, this is wild, Okay.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
I have a theory about our each of our relationships
with aging. Oh, and it has to do with housing.
I actually think you lived in the same place since
your early twenties or mid twenties, since your mid twenties, basically,
and I think that might have something to do with
your affection for that period in your life. Whereas, because

(06:08):
I moved like every two years, or honestly every one
year and then every two years, I was always sort
of scattered and never remembered how well.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
I was sure you were reinventing, and I.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Was constantly reinventing, and it was always these like sub chapters,
whereas you sort of had this one long chapter. Yeah,
and it was it's now finally time to close the
book on it.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Well, you know what it is. I was saying. HBO's
Girls has finally ended, literally.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
And as has the Obama administration.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
And there was something where I was like, yes, both
of those things have ended, but I'm carrying them on
by living in this apartment.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
I'm still hbos.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Girls, my story is not over yet, and now it's
fully over.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Now we can move on to sort of peak streaming.
We can move on to the post Obama, you know,
the rise of Trump. Literally it's tough. Yeah, I mean,
this is a different episode. But at some point, you know,
there needs to be you know how people write essays
that are like what was the yuppie? What was the millennial?

(07:11):
There needs to be what was Bushwick? Which I'm sure
someone has written for some sort of digital media property
that no one reads that is somehow owned by Elon
Musk of course, but you know it has not crossed
my desk, so I'm still calling for it to be written.
But I do think there is something about people exactly
our age who saw it as the first sort of

(07:33):
cool place than you of mm hmm, who are now
having families and of course your version of that as
having an office job.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yeah, that is my family, of course, and I love
them all to death. I do think before, when I
lived in Bushwick forever, I was like, Okay, this is normal.
Everyone else is weird. Now that I've been out of
Bushwick slightly, I'm sorry to be like, Oh, Bushwick is
a special it's a different place.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
This is another part of your specific relationship to Bushwick
is it's not that you're like, oh, I'm alternative and
proud and I thank god I live in Bushwick. It's
that you actually think Bushwick is the norm.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
I think I'm normal and that everyone else.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
And actually, whenever we I remember when we first started
recording in Midtown, we would come into Manhattan and you
would be shocked face around here, and I'd be like, yeah,
this is what most people's experiences. No, that's not true. True,
that's not true.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
I like even the self awareness.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Like I had a going away party and I was like, oh,
I guess I want to have it at this like
Bushwick bar, and I was like, oh, but who will
want to come out to Bushwick? And that was like
such a huge growth. Yeah, where I like like I
used to just be like, well, everyone totally, everyone's coming
to Bushwick no matter what. And I was like, no,
you know, people live in different places. And so then
to justify having it in Bushwick, I had it be

(08:46):
Bushwick themed.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
You know, I will say maybe people who have a
local community to relate to this. You leaving has really
put into relief something that has been happening for a while,
which is, you know how there's that like logic problem
that's like if you replace every part of a boat
at the end of the same boat. Something that I
have found is that our community in New York has

(09:09):
been slowly replaced one by one, and it really is
a one to one thing, like people leave and then suddenly,
out of nowhere, a twenty seven year old gay guy
unlimited and head to toe limited, two white pants replaces them.
And by the way, everyone acts like it's normal and
that we that I should know this person, and that
we've all been friends forever. Yes, And so this has

(09:30):
been happening at this point for you know, literally as
long as I've lived here, as long as you've lived here,
And there is something about you leaving where it's like
the last piece of the ship. First of all, who's
going to replace you? It hasn't. He has not been cast.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
It's not been cast yet. But he's out there.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
He's out there, and I think he's getting callbacks and
he's like could it be me.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
It's actually I completely agree with you. I am sort
of like the moment I left, I was like, Okay,
someone's gonna film.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
I'm gonna be replaced like quickly. I was even.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
Like, like, how long until there's like seventeen new gay guys?
I don't know, like it could have already happened.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
I mean, I can't tell you the number of events
I've been to recently where I go and assume it's
going to be all our friends from seven years ago
and it is a completely new, proper people. And now
it actually has been long enough that those new people
now I do consider my family.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Of course you love them.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Yeah, I mean that was also when trying to plan
a going away party, I was like messaging and I
was like, wait am I Like, am I stuck in
twenty sixteen? Like like have I grown at all since then?
I'm inviting people that I like, actually haven't spoken to
in like three any way.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
And to that, I say, try planning a wedding because
it's that times one hundred.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
I literally was looking at the I was like, wait.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Who am I? Well, it also gets kind of this
is where it gets kind of dark. You're like branding
Almost you're like, who am Like, who am I projecting?

Speaker 2 (10:51):
What type of person am I embrace?

Speaker 1 (10:53):
So you're projecting to the world and also who you're
projecting to your better self. It's like, who do I
want to in my heart? Who do I want to?

Speaker 3 (10:59):
Be?

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Completely unrelated to coolness or anything? In fact, in my heart,
I'm like, I want to be really genuine enough, like
I want to only invite people that I went to
kindergarten with. Right, that didn't happen, of coursely, So, what
we wanted to do today? Any other thoughts about moving?

Speaker 3 (11:20):
No other thoughts about moving, I think, and I guess
I did want to maybe ask, yeah, you know, since
we're taking this little hiatus. Yes, it's the home stretch
till George's big day. That's right, it was any feelings,
Oh my god, I didn't even about that. This is
probably the last one will record for my wedding. I'll
tell you one thing, there's no original way to say this.

(11:42):
There's nothing more embarrassing than being between the moment of
being engaged. In between the moment and being married, you
have to say words like fiance. You have to quite
literally go shopping for wedding bands, you have a jeuelrystore
and be with your significant other and have like a
really nice woman named Amy be like, Okay, you guys
are cute.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
She actually I just wanted to give it a huge
shout out to Amy because she clearly she was trained
to yes and at night, not only yes, and like
affirm everything you're saying. Okay, So you go in, she's like,
do you want gold or silver? You're like gold. She's like,
I always love gold. And then you know, she's like,
do you want three point five width or four millimeter
with whatever? And you're like, oh, I think we were
thinking four, and she's like, I that's my favorite. I

(12:24):
always tell couples go with four. But then she took
it one step too far, which is she goes, how
long have you guys been together? And we were like, oh,
around four and a half years, and she goes, that's
the perfect time I always say. And I was like, no, no, no, no,
you just showed your hand or whatever the expression is.
I was like, no, no, no, that one was a lie. Sheica,
I could believe you when you said you like three

(12:46):
point five four millimeter, and I can believe you when
you said you're like gold over silver. But you cannot
convince me that. You always tell everyone four point five
years it is the perfect time to be together.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
We need to expose this woman I love. We need
an undercover person to go and say they've been together
for five forty five years and have her going.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Literally no, I actually need to do a project Veritas
video literally and send a bunch of couples in. Send
a straight couple. And she's like, oh, I love when
couples are straight.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
I always say three people.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Always. I always say two men and a woman is perfect.
It just goes together.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
It just goes together.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
And yet the thing is, even though I knew that,
whenever she would affirm something I was genuinely undecided about,
I'd be like, oh great, so I am your great. Anyway,
my point is I'm looking forward to I would say
I'm less looking forward to the wedding and moreling forward
is just post wedding being normal again.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah, it is so.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Uncomfortable to me in this extended time when everyone is
like weirdly faking a smile towards you.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Well, it's almost like your birthday. It's like a it's
like soft, it's like a microdose of your birthday all.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
The time, Yes, all the time. And also, by the way,
you get maybe twenty four hours after getting engaged for
people to have like genuine enthusiasm, and then everyone basically
treats you and they think you don't notice. Everyone treats
you like, okay, hey, let's wrap it up. And I'm like,
it's not my fault. I chose a date based on
what was available, and it takes time. It takes time
to plan, that's.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
All it is.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
And yet they feel the need to ask you how
it's going, and then you answer because you're trying to
answer a questions like figure out the floral stupid fa Yeah,
so that's how I feel. I mean, yeah, I just
you know, I think we're both I was about to

(14:30):
say we're both not Like I think we like attention
when we think it's deserved.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Would you say that's accurately, Like it's like merit based.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Like I I really enjoy performing telling a joke that
I think is funny and then people clapping.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
But like, do you like your birthday? Because I actually
get a sick you do like pleasure about about.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
People being like happy birthday?

Speaker 3 (14:51):
Yeah, And I think I won't And I always wake
up on my birthday and I'm like, wow, I guess
I freaking rule. And then like the day after my birthday,
I'm like, huh so that was all fake. Yeah, so
no one actually thinks I'm the greatest person ever. They
were just treating me special on my special day. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
I mean it's even more strange when I think people
are celebrating is your relationship, because you're like, that's private.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
It's private, and you're like, if you're normal, I feel
like you're like, man, there's flaws, of course, Like it's
almost hard to be like, well, everything we have is perfect.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
I recently went I shouldn't say this, well, okay. I
recently went to a wedding where I will try to
anonymize as much as possible. The mom gave a toast.
The groom's mother gave a toast that was especially roast based,
which I really took. I was very moved by it
because I was like, they have such a close relationship
that she can roast him in her wedding toast. And

(15:42):
unfortunately that is my instinct for like, I have to
train myself.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
I'm like, oh, you want to roast.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Not even roast, but like, make make a joke of
the day, make a mockery.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
You want to be brutally honest.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
I want to be brutally honest and make a mockery
of that. I mean when I tell you, I keep
where like, oh, what are our reading is going to be?
What are I was going to be? What's the professional music?
I keep being like, what if the processional is wrote
burned by genet x? I just like I it's it's
so difficult to find the right balance of a wink.
But if the thing with the wedding unfortunately, unlike a

(16:16):
birthday and unlike I don't know, even a gift or something,
is that actually really reflects poorly on you if it's
too joke based.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
I think a wedding is not a place for Joe.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
It's not a place for job.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
And not because I'm like I respect marriage. It's just
like I'm sort of like everyone stop, like we joke
an up?

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yeah, And I actually think, okay, jokes normally are a
way to go against the grain. I think the thing
with weddings is, as we discussed with Hunter and Peyton
a few weeks ago, it's where straight guys specifically are
like now I'm going to test that my material. Yeah,
so actually that is the norm, that's the hegemonic path.

(16:55):
So you have to actually go full ernest if you
want to be all.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
I think you have to go full earnest, if you
want to be all and maybe been like conceptually earnest,
Like I want you to stare at each other in silence,
like I want like the real deal.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Because there is something about like, okay, if you're joking,
is this even real?

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Almost like you decided to do this right now, you're
making it. You can't be everywhere calm and everyone spend
money and now we make a joke about it.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
That's very true. And actually that is what you know
makes it different than a birthday because a birthday is
forced off. Birthday is forced upon you. And even if
you yourself are throwing a party, that's kind of not
your fault. You're doing it because it's your birthday.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
I've always considered birthday party as a community.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Service exactly, exactly literally, whereas weddings are like you are
making people travel, you're deciding making people spend money. You're
literally saying go to this website and press by on
this pan on this all clad pan.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
For anyone who's ever known me. Today is now a holiday,
like whether you like it or not. And it's crazy
when they're like pulling the rug out.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
So so I guess, I guess we have to go
full serious. The one thing I was like, Oh, one
thing would be like if the professional music was a
love song but was like an upbeat, like electronic love song.
I thought like that could be a way to do it,
like a little if it's like a Robin song.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Sure shang do that, but like, well you could could
that could be sincere.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
So I think something like that could be fun. But then,
of course, you know what you risk becoming viral video
of people dancing down the aisle, viral video of people
of you know, all cousin with bangs, like arm in
arm with grandma dancing down the aisle and doing essentially
a flash mob.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
I actually think for you, specifically, if you were to
go viral for dancing down the aisle, it would be
so off character that I actually think it would work,
Like there's something about it that would be kind of chic,
because it would be like, oh, I know that guy,
and that's not his style at all.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
I will tell you another One last thing about weddings
and jokes is at this point on the podcast. A
few times I have attempted to talk about it, and
you have asked you about it the way, I have
not found a funny angle, not in my stand up,
not on the podcast. There's something about it that is
prevents you from being funny somehow, Like I am almost
like I have to first go through the entire experience

(19:17):
and then I can write my famous solo show about
getting married. I said, I do, but yeah, you know
what I mean, like, yeah, of course, I don't know
how else to describe it. I really draw a blank
whenever I try to be like cheeky about it.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Well maybe because it's not a tragedy.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
It's yes, that's right, right, you.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Know, tragedy plus time.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
So they say, that's right, it's not a tragedy and
it hasn't been time.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
And there hasn't been time.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Am I gonna coup with a joke?

Speaker 3 (19:43):
There's literally no way for there's no way to do
a joke about it. You can make a joke about
what's her name? Annie? Oh?

Speaker 2 (19:49):
And that was okay?

Speaker 3 (19:49):
One more thing about who's Annie your wedding girl? The
rings lady who you talked about.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Amy oh amy ya.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
Sorry. I also funny to me even that you have
to like buy wedding rings and industry stand just literally,
I'm like, just send me that.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
I want normal, Send me normal. I know, why are
there options?

Speaker 1 (20:09):
But then because it's normally, you're like, well, this is
the thing you can't You have to splur John because
you're gonna wear your whole life. What are you gonna do?
Go to China Tome, buy from like a wholesaler. No,
it's a wedding band.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
I'm like, yeah, I can't tell, but.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Anyway, it is what it is.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
It is what it is.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Next time you see me, I'll be I'll be wearing
a wedding band. Okay, let's get another meat of this episode.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah, so basically, a lot is happening in the.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Lot is happening in the world we wanted to do.
This is a season finale, sure, which is actually another
reason I wanted to take a hateus because I'm like,
I miss having seasons. We have sort of been doing
this season for a while. Yeah, and it's time to
reinvent ourselves. We need to have a season and I
have been There are things I'm contemplating for next season.
I'm like, there are things we could we could change,

(20:59):
we could lead into, you know, I guess we'll see
how I feel out for the wedding. But we wanted
to sort of take stock. I know we've already done
an episode on the summer, but we wanted to take
stock of a few things happening in the world, happening
in the worlds of politics, global finance, pop culture, theater
of course, and do a classic game of gayer straight,

(21:22):
where we debate, converse whatever about whether certain things are
gayer straight or other or other even, which is a
new option we're launching this season, is things that are
neither gain nor straight.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
You can come out as others.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
You might have not heard about that, but we'll explain it.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
We'll explain it's really really complex.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
So I made a list. Yeah, well let's go right
into the Olympics. I think you know we're recording this.
This is actually the closest we ever recorded before release.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Oh no, we're punishing our editor.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
We really punished, And actually I just want to say,
Adam shout out.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Sorry.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
We are really sorry, and we promise we won't have
any edits unless I decide I hated everything I said, Yeah,
which is possible hostile and it happens often.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Okay, I'm human.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
So the Olympics started last weekend. Yeah, here's what I'll say.
I did not watch the opening ceremony, which is very
rare for me.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yeah did you No, But I did watch Gaga on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Okay, see, I didn't even watch gog on YouTube. Tell
me how it was. I start to a segment. By
the way, I have not seen a single thing that
we're discussing. So she did love you en Rose or no, no,
she did some other French song. Okay, so that was
like silly and whatever cabaret and you saw Selene.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
I couldn't find it anywhere on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
So this is actually already we're starting out of lost
because my dream. I love the format of opening ceremony.
One of my favorite things. As listeners of this podcast know,
I rewatched the Athens One once a year. It lasts
four hours. I love an opening ceremony. I think it's
a real lost art to just do a spectacle like
that that isn't a halftime show or an athletic event

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in and of itself, or an award show. It is
just like a unique thing, and unfortunately it's not available
in full anywhere on the Internet.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
It's disgusting.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
I don't know what is going on.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
The way that the Olympics are like psycho about control.
Like I'm like, let it out.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
It's so we live in an information age, and information
is crying to be free. I should not have to
like go on Reddit to find a you know, daily
motion link.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
I mean. And the worst of all is when you're
like Selene googling Celene Dion opening Ceremony and it just
is like Celene Deon opening Ceremony YouTube and it's like
an NBC news clip being like Celene Dion performed it.
And I'm like, no, obviously I don't want this.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Can I sell something else? This happens to me every
time I'm trying to watch tennis. Every time I'm trying
to watch an award show, you have to google how
to watch and then click on an article on Forbes
dot com that walks you through how to watch something
something basic, something that when we were growing up was
airing on ABC normally. And suddenly you have to have
a subscription of The Financial Times, get the print edition

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magazine on Sundays, open to page six, scan a QR code,
go online, and then they send you to your local
polling place and then someone can tell you, oh, this
is the app you have to download to watch the Oscars.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah, it's a nightmare. So our media landscape is broken.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
So actually I want to say I'm boycotting and talking
about the opening ceremony until they make it free. And
I want to just talk about the Olympics as a concept.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Okay, well, I think I'm gonna go ahead and say
instantly gay yeah, And I think you know, it's to me,
it's the sort of international element. As soon as you're
putting all these alt sports together, you're like, yeah, it's
it's if you acknowledge a global community at all, your LGBTQ.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Plus one, it's a global community. It's also, as you said,
the alt sports is a huge part of it. If
you are going into the Olympics and you're like, oh,
I'm here to watch soccer, it's like try a living
a little. I actually watching trampoline.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
I love that about the Olympics is fringe festival for sports.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
And even I you know, I'm I am watching the
tennis and even I feel a little guilty. I'm like,
this isn't what it's This isn't what it's about. I
want to watch any Yes, I should be watching gymnastics,
like I really feel, and I even see it in
the player's eyes, you know, the heart's are inning it. No,
they want to be at Wimbledon.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
They even want you to support the gymnasts.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yes, and the archers and the marchers, the swimmers, the sailors.
I just want to say gymnastics. Every single time I
watch gymnastics, and I've been watching it, you know, every
four years since I was a kid, I am so
struck by the randomness of each event, Like someone just
woke up and was like, make that more random.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
It's sort of like, why have any rules that all
rings like you're sort of like, huh, yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
So we're just having fun here?

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Do you just kind of do whatever?

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah? So I do like that. I like the You
know what else I like about Olympic sports. There's a
lot of like honestly straight shooters style ranking from one
to one thousand doves rather than a more math based
approach of like a score that is three to two.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Totally.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
I mean it kind of there's something almost drag Ray,
where you, as someone who does not know this world,
can watch and be like that was bad.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
It's actually drag Race in many ways, special guest stars, literally, jingoism, Yes,
new girls each season. Then you learn and then forget about.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Well and then you're like, she's howled.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Literally, Yeah, sort of random challenges that are always a
little off, used a Noncanny Valley element to it, especially
with all the shooting related things. You're like, the hell
is she doing?

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Another drag Race thing with the age is like literally
there'll be a thirty two year old in either drag
Race or the Olympics, and people are like, this elderly
person has defied all the odds.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
She is grandmother for this, she.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Almost died of old eight weeks ago, but then decided
to do it one last time.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Nevertheless, she persisted.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Nevertheless she persisted. Yes, and of course the forced inspiration porn.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
Yeah, there is something.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
The inspiration is so forced down your throat during the
Olympics and during drag Race, and I will say this,
it somehow works every time. Yeah, like you want to
resist it. But they were like, she's from Kentucky.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
She her whole childhood went to this.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
She grew up in a barrel.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
She was born the barrel. The barrel actually grew with
her as she grew wearing a barrel.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Actually she would They only just took the barrel off
and put on the hydrodynamic bathing suit and then did
the four hundred butterfly.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
So that was really hard.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
And so yes, I think the inspirational point I think
I do. I think, you know, in order to the
jingoism part of it. If there's nothing that makes it straight,
it's two things, the jingoism and the absolute domination of
NBC Universal. YEAHC Universal came on this bitch mad as
hell tweet. They are literally like when you go on Peacock.

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They are on vivance over there, literally like the sixteen
screens and they're like, which one do you want? We
have tennis, we have gymnastics, we have everything. We have
it all.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
It's it's insane. They think that people are like dying
to our citizens. Yeah, and I'm like, I hope they are.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yeah, No, I hope they are too. There is something
a little bit about less is more. I do sort
of I'm a nostalgic for a more traditional curation where
you just open, turn on the channel and they show
you what the most you know, popular thing playing is.
But I get it, and as a tennis fan, you know,
that's never the most popular thing. And it's nice that
I get to see that.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
So definitely it's NBC Universal's world and you're lucky to
be living in it. And the commentary, the violent nationalism
of the commentary is something to behold.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
There's something where it's like, it is violent nationalism, but
it's acceptable for some reason. It's like, well, but it's playful.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Well, you keep wanting to be like, oh no, they're
cheering them on to go murder people abroad, and you realize, oh,
thank god, it's just gymnastics. Like the language is so
dramatic that you're like, wait a minute, is this pro warm?

Speaker 3 (29:01):
No, you do forget that the military is not involved
up ye, Like I'm like, well, surely the military is
there at some and it's like, no, actually, this is
no military.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah. How do you feel about the the national anthem
of it all? You know, when someone wins, they play
the national land.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
They play their track, they play their track.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
There's something about it. Of course, you know it's jinguistic.
But on the other hand, there is something sort of
cool about the fact that you actually can be randomly
from Serbia and your flag can be above the United
States and China, the superpowers.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
I think that's great. You know, I celebrate it.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
I whenever a B side country wins, I get so excited.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Well, I want to know, actually, as an American, do
you feel that sense of patriotism?

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Imagine if I said yes.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Because I'll tell you why I'm asking, because I have
experiences from both sides, being in an underdog country and
a non underdog Sure.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Sure, sure.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
And when I'm in America, you know, I roll my
eyes at the jingoism, But when I'm in Green when
I tell you I'm ready to go to war like
because you have to, and I have exactly well if
I keep it it off, but it's because it's so
rare that they win. It really feels like we all
came together and made it happen.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
I do remember being a child and watching and being like, damn,
look at us go, Americans rock. But now it doesn't
speak to me in the same way. Now I'm sort
of like, let the other kids have fun too. We're
too psycho. It's we want it too bad and I.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Think the fact that even with of course the powerful
countries dominate, but even with that, people so through the
cracks and that I think that's the spirit of the games.
That's the spirit of the game, and that's what makes them. Ultimately,
people are rooting for the underdog. Yes, even the most
Republican Americans who only want America to win, they're rooting
for the under They can't resist the Serbian.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
All right, Okay, what's the next thing?

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Okay, Oh my god, I love that I'm in charge
of this episode.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
You're so in charge and I'm addicted to it.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
So here, how about I read you all my politics ones?

Speaker 3 (30:57):
Should we do all politics? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (31:00):
I think that's great.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
So I have the Rise of Kamala Harris. I have
the trend of Democrats calling Republicans weird.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
This is a I've noticed this.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
I've noticed this too, and this is like an official
talking point that they're really like trying out. I listened
to an interview with Pete Boudajudge where the interviewer was like, so,
you guys are trying out this talking point about Republicans
being weird. Tell me about that. Then I have Pete
Budajudge as a quote great communicator. This is another thing
we've all been hearing. Yeah, they're sending him to Fox.
He was like, he's an olympian being sent to Paris,

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and each time he looks even more snatched than the
last time.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
I mean, the front door person is like hey, pee,
like very familiar, like, hey.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
How's it going, How's it going?

Speaker 1 (31:39):
And then I have Jack Schlossberg, the Kennedy grandson who
has become a viral star and is now a Vogue contributor.
And I have Doug Emhoff, who, of course is Kamala
Harris's very sweet husband who is used to be an
entertainment lawyer and now sort of a professional bohemian lan

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about did you.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
See the like article? Like there was a pull quote
from an article where he said when he found out
that Kamala like that Joe Biden was stepping down, he
was at a spin class with his this like.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
A couple of friends.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Yeah, I mean in West Hollywood.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah, and like left his phone in the car.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
I know, he's sort of he is kind of like
that one straight guy.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
Yeah. I mean when I heard that, I got way
more I was like, okay, yeah, and I actually want
to say to everyone listening.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
I'm allowed to have feelings about him that are completely
separate of anything else. So he's charming and I think
he's a winner, and I think that has nothing to
do with Kamala's foreign policy opinions.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
Yeah, I couldn't agree more so, okay, which he's not
running for crying lounge pre all right, So okay, so
I guess let's start with the Kamala.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Rockets Kamala Rice. I think you know, we also talked
a little bit about this in a previous episode. We've
talked about a lot on the Patreon, so we don't
have to talk about it too much. But what do
you think? Gay or straight? At this stage?

Speaker 2 (33:01):
At this stage, I'm still gonna go gay.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
I think so too.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
It's such a sort of falling up in a funny way,
the way that it's all like ironic and blah blah
blah Internet.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Teas and the celebratory part of it, celebrative part of it.
There is a it's very pride month coded.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
It's very prime month, couded because you're like, I know,
this isn't like, this isn't this isn't real, this isn't
activism like.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
We did it, but we did it.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Yeah, you get it gives you like a false sense
of yeah, pride and achievement.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Yes, And I think the other thing, you know, it's
tempting to be like, well, everyone fell in line around her,
and so now she has become the new top dog.
But actually, I'm sorry to break this to people. Trump
is still beating her in most puls so actually she's
still the underdog, which makes her still LGBTQ plus thank god.

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And there's also something about like the anticipation of it
still seems like there's buzz building even though she is
fully running. You're sort of like when you's gonna drop
the next single. Yeah, no, she hasn't like dropped her
official opinions yet.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Well, and there's like a tone shift in a way
that is I know, the Kamala is brat thing is whatever,
but it is like there is something to the like
she's like, I'm locked in.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
I'm locked in, but mysterious.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Oh, because I'm teasing the album.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
I'm exactly she's teasing.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
She has put up the green wall, and we're like,
I wonder what it's gonna be.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Yes, exactly exactly.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
We're like, I hope it's good, Like yeah, but I'm
loving the anticipation there.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Is something, and I actually think that's almost what has
united Democratic voters is that is the not knowing. Yeah,
it's very much like you know, she posted, It's like
her posting a thing that's like loading, it's like a
batter and she's like incoming.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Lady Gaga at the Olympics tweeted the or instagram or
something that she was gonna play like last seven seconds.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
That's very comment with her like policy on healthcare.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
Yeah, I sort of like what does she think? And
I'm even like does it map? Like that's what we're
in a kind of confusing space. Yeah, obviously, because it's
still like like we don't want Trump to win.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
But but it's but it is like but.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
She has to have something, she has to have something,
and she but at the same time does like if
she if literally tomorrow we have to vote. I like,
I'm still voting for her even though I don't know anything.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Well, here's the thing, and I say this, you know,
with all my respect to basically all politicians and everyone
there's ever held.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Power who we always love all the way.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Barack Obama when he was first running, we all remember
it as this incredible, unifying moment. The lack of concrete
messaging was shocking. If you go back and look at videos,
people are holding signs that just say the word hope.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Yeah, honey, I was there.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
You know what. To be clear, so it's not, but
I'm just saying, like the idea that, of course I
would like for Colma to come out and be like
universal health care now, like I would want her to
come out and be like I am literally a communists.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Yeah, that'ld be huge, that.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Would be huge. But the idea that she actually has
to have concrete policies. It's a historical because many people
have won without having any concrete opinions, and some of
them have one reelection. Like the idea that the big
messages were hope and change will never cease to be
the funniest thing. Oh that was genius, Like holding a

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sign that just has hope. That is like even Republicans
don't hold a sign that just says like racism. Yeah,
they think of unique ways to brand it.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
It was I mean, god, I missed that time. I
remember just being like, wow, we are really a vags. Fine,
I'm also addicted, you know, I have my reservations about aging,
of course, but one thing I really like is being
able to refer to past presidencies with like knowledge. I
always felt gate keeped by parents being like ugh, Reagan, yeah,

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and I was always like, what does that mean? Like
what are you implying when you say something like that?
And now I'm like, this is so fun.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
I know it's true. I okay, so I guess. I
mean it remains to be seen, but I think for now.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
I want to know your thoughts on the Kennedy John
Jack Stosberg, Jack, you know, did can I get anyone's
name right? Today?

Speaker 2 (37:30):
I'm in the flight off the handle.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Here's the thing with Jack Schlosberg. He is exactly my
type on paper. I mean it's like, sure he is, yeah,
it just is that sort of the kind of guy
that I tend to go for. Let's say mm hm.
That said, you know, there's something I guess sort of
fascinating about how he's sort of like a Kennedy for

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our era. There hasn't been one in a while, and
it's like, oh, yeah, I guess that's what it would
look like if he was a lenniel On TikTok well,
a baby girl, nag girl, Kennedy. Yeah, like it's just
sort of like right, So it used to be the
cool thing was like I don't know that you would
see a paparazzi photos of a Kennedy at the beach
playing frisbee, and that was like what we needed in

(38:15):
the nineties. Yeah, and now it's like someone on TikTok
doing being like ironically sexy and like holding his shirt
over his head and being and being like I'm not
even aware of the fact that I'm showing off my abs. Yeah,
so every generation gets the Kennedy it deserves, I guess,
is what I would say.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
It doesn't feel as exciting to me as I think
it could.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
I'm feeling it's one of those times watching the whole
thing happen, I'm like, am I depressed totally because I
watched this, And I'm like, I don't feel anger, I
don't feel joy, I just feel empty.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
I completely agree. I think this is also part of
getting older, where like you just have less capacity for
mustering up the energy to be enraged at something.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
I do wonder if I was twenty one, if I.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
Would be so mad that we are like putting a
Kennedy on a pedestal, and if I would be like,
guys like this is not the person we need to be,
like rallying around and like when it was now said
he got his like Vogue job, would I be someone
who is like.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Okay, so I guess he's taking jobs away from real journalists.
It's like the idea that I would ever be mad
about that now seems insane.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
But see, I don't even know not to be Maybe
this is resion revisionists. Yeah, maybe this is rewriting the past.
But I'm like, I even feel like when I was
twenty one, I wasn't like I was sort of like
above it, Like I was like, well I don't care
about this guy, sure, sure, sure, sure, Like I would
never be angry.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Yeah, here's here's the type of types of things I
used to get mad at more than I don't anymore.
It's like, for example, this is not a bad example,
but Hillary Clinton saying Pokemon go to the polls, so
many people latched onto that as like a real sign
of how out of touch she was, and it's like, no,
it was just like Pokemon go was in the news.

(39:58):
I just wanted to say something. I mean, I have
my problems with her, but she's speaking literally seventeen hours
a day, Yeah, campaigning horribly. I might ask for president,
like of course she's going to make a reference to Pokemongo,
Like that's not But then people will be like, this
is exactly the problem with the Democratic parties, Like, no,
that's not it. It's other things.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
That's not quite the problem.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
So those are the things. And I feel like Jack
Schlossberg belongs to that kind of topic, which is like
things that people on Twitter would get mad at.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Maybe I've also been beaten down by the world so
much that like someone like him, it's like you can
get mad at him, but he's going to be successful
in whatever, Like he just will be around till the
day I die. Yeah, And I've now learned to just
accept that faster than I used to. Yeah, Like I
used to be like, well, there's there will be justice
because he doesn't deserve this job totally, because people only

(40:48):
get jobs that they deserve, And now I'm like, well,
obviously that's not true.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
This man will be a media empire within five years.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
And if he isn't, it literally won't matter. It will
just be actually happier than if he was. But no,
I don't. I'm also sort of like, if you think
about all the directions a Kennedy grandson could have gone in,
it's probably the best case scenario.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
I'm also like, you know, working at Vogue used to
be like glamorous and real, and I'm like, well, media, yeah, yeah,
so they gave him like a fake job, like literally
to make him, yeah, feel like he's busy.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
And by the way, the other people that are able
to accept jobs like that that get paid one dollar
a day sometimes come from more money than the Kennedys,
so that that actually is a firmative action for low
income communities aka the Kennedys. Oh my god, so yeah,
I yeah, it's hard to sort of get it up

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for him. I will say, here's a question for you.
How would you feel if everything about him was the
same but he was gay?

Speaker 3 (41:48):
Seem I think I oh, I think I might. I
would almost be more annoyed.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
I know that's not fair, It's not fair.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
I would be more annoyed.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Okay, Well, speaking of being annoyed at gay guys, what
is your take on Pete Buddha Judge as the Great Communicator,
as the only you know, as the Fox News for
Fox News whisper as someone who goes on Fox News
and hands their asses back to them.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
I find it.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
I mean, I find it so irolly, of course, but
I'm also like, I.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Guess that's fun.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
It's not about us, is the thing.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
It's not about us.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
It's so like the idea that I am watching a
clip of him on Fox News on Instagram and have
an opinion about that. The way that is so irrelevant
to anything any stakeholders in the matter cannot be overstated.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
I guess I like that.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
It's kind of like a magic trick he does.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
Like it's sort of like ooh, like like oh, Sasha
Colby's gonna perform, like she's gonna whipper hero.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
It's actually the best use of his talents. Literally, don't
think you should be president. I barely think you should
be in government. But like, yeah, he is a good
messenger because he's like classically debate trained. Yeah, and he
makes a little fun and he makes it fun. He
has that sort of like neutral straight voice. Yeah, he
worked so hard on, so hard on they gave him
a little spray tnd. Yeah he looks snatched as hell.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
It's true.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Also, the idea that like I'm not you know, our
issues with pe Butua Judge are. Let's say that his
policies are I don't know, more centrist than we would like.
When he's on Fox News, that doesn't matter. He's literally
trying to convince Fox News voters. Who am I to
go and be like, I'm excuse me.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Yeah, I guess I kind of I guess I kind
of celebrate it. Yeah, And like and I actually do
say that one is good, that one's gay. You think, yeah,
it's such a performance, it's so interesting, like it's just
for fun.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Huh, I'm gonna disagree with you. Oh, and say that
the sort of performance of civil debate and kind of
like cable news based civil disagreement, being like we can
communicate with the other side is straight. I'm not saying
it's good or bad, but I think that as an
ideal it is something that's true, that's true.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
It's very idealistic in a way that I thought we've
had all kind of moved on exactly.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
There's something very retro about it. You're sort of like, oh, wow,
this is what Hardball with Chris Matthews used to be, Like, like,
it's very uh, sort of honestly a pre Trump vision
of bipartisanship.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
Yeah, well that yeah, the the idea from the past
that like you could just argue with someone and like
change their mind. Yes, it was really like pervasive. Yes,
and now I don't if someone disagrees with me, I'm like, okay,
I won't talk to you now.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Oh I shut down, Like it's just like because it's.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Like I don't want to, I don't care.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Like there's always those statistics of like you can just
tell an undecided person to voute. That's better than trying
to convince a replicant.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Completely, Yeah, unless you're be booted.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
Jug and then it's like give me the give me
the Republicans.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Okay, So then what is the one we were really
excited about? Sorry, keep looking.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Wait, I have one that that you had on your
list that I want to know what you think about.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Okay, well wait, there's Democrats calling Republicans weird and Stilica out.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Oh wait do the Republicans weirday? I think that one
is juicy.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
So this, okay, what do you think about it? So basically,
the the main it's.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
Fine, thanks, I will never let you drop your bottle cap,
hold on.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
To that Basically the idea here is that a new
talking point among Democrats. By the way, their main talking
point over the last eight years has been the democracy
is at stake and we need to save democracy. One
of the worst talking points. That's so annoying, whether it's
whether it's true or not, the idea that you think
you're going to get people to vote because they care

(45:23):
about the vague notion of democracy and not the jobs
and the jobs that they do or don't have, and
the economy. And they're like imagined fear that people are
coming into schools and you know, changing everyone's gender.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
There's even something about like making Republicans seem cooler than
they are.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
They're like they're attacking and I'm like, oh my god,
they must be strong.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Yeah, exactly. So this idea, while I essentially agree with it,
is just not a winning argument.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
It's not juicy.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
So the new thing that they've thought of, these crazy
kids over in Washington, DC, they thought of a new
line of attack, which is saying Republicans, specifically of Trumpian
Republicans and people like Jade Vance, are weird. It's like
they're so creepy. Why do they want to control your body?
They're so weird. Why do they like have these strange
ideas about I don't know, like monitoring your pornography use

(46:15):
like you know, it's they like why is like JD
Vance obsessed with like purity, you know, whatever, whatever it
may be. It's sort of basically painting them as like
in cells.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Yeah, so what do you think? I? First of all,
I kind of like it. I actually do think it's genius.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
So it's very straight or lab coded in the sense
that one of our sort of running things we say
is like just be normal, Like why isn't everyone being normal?

Speaker 3 (46:42):
Yeah? I do think that's like important, Like there's almost
something about like we don't need to argue with what
you're saying, like you're being weird.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
Yeah. I think it's.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
Almost like it's it's a normal response, like and it's
like people can kind of be like that is weird,
isn't it totally? Because even like everyone's like crazy Trumper
family member, it's not like they're like normal.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
You're like, what is up with that guy?

Speaker 3 (47:04):
And it's like I know he has trauma that he's
not dealing with and that's what all this is. But
it's still like why is he so weird.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Yeah, I think it's an interesting risk. I think to
go on the offensive like that is, you know, really
gets some attention, gets some lips of flap in. I
think it is a fascinating like reversal of the conservative
argument that like people with non normative identities are weird.

(47:31):
Like It's like, for so long it was like, we
are conservative, people are family values. Look at that weird
guy wearing you know, women's clothing. Look at that weird
woman going to work. Look at that other weird woman
not having children.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Look at that person who does whose gender is not
the one assigned to whatever.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
Like.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
And so it is interesting that as society has become
more quote unquote socially progressive, now the weird thing is
to be like a sort of basement dwelling laptop user.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
And I think I think it's good. I also this
is something. This is a slight change of subject. But
when we do you ever have that thing where people
are like, we say normal, with all the knowing in
the world that normal is like you know what is normal?

Speaker 2 (48:21):
No, nothing is normal. Don't assume normal. Yeah, And when.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
People are like, huh normal, that's interesting and I'm like, no,
it's ulf aware. People underestimate the levels on which you
were knowing on I really, I'm like, it's a it's
a trigger.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
It is maybe worth defining, like what our brand, what
is normal? Because I am like what it is. There's
something very like inspired by the Internet about these definitions,
Like someone who is not being normal is someone who
is like taking up a lot of space and acting

(48:55):
in bad faith and like does not honestly live in
the context of which they came.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
Yeah whatever, they're also just like being they're kind of
having like a freak out, Like someone who's not normal
is like not chill. That's sort of how I see it.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
And I think it's also about being connected to your surroundings,
Like there's if you are aware of like how to
contextualize everything around you, Like, oh that person that seems
so different, this is why they are that way. So
now I can form a normal opinion about them.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Yeah yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
So is it gayer straight?

Speaker 3 (49:28):
I think in the way that we've described it, I'm
leaning again it's gay.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
You think it's gay because.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
It's that like Internet snarky. Yes, it's There's a direct
line from the original Gawker to calling the Republicans weird.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Literally, I would say, taking a face value, it's straight
because you are basically making the argument that someone is
not normal, which is, you know, a very straight thing to do.
But I think taken with some you know, with a
sprinkle of irony, it is gay, of course, because you
are basically being social cold beyond drivers.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
And there's sprinkles of irony everywhere around here. Yeah. Yeah,
speaking of irony, Yes, I have another one that you
had on your list that if we're leaving politics behind,
Yes that I was really curious what you thought about
is sort of Deadpool and Wolverine.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Okay, so I need to know your thoughts specifically.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Much like this weird place between earnestness and irony that
we find ourselves in politically, mm hmm, with the Kamala
coconut memes, with the Democrats calling Republicans weird, with all
that stuff. Similarly, to me, as an outsider and as
someone who has seen maybe two Marvel movies in my life,
the Wolverine and Deadpool thing is like, so we're combining

(50:43):
one thing that is like edged Lord ironic and one
thing that is more earnest like x ment. To me,
of course, it's funny, but it's like very much about
like the people that are marginalized persevernarrative. It's a greer narrative,
but it's also like an earnestly, like a really earnestly
social justice this yeah tinge narrative. So you're taking one

(51:03):
thing that's quote unquote serious and one thing that' quote
unquote ironic and putting them together. And that to me
seems at first glance queer, I think, because you have
to have some nuance, but as a cultural commodity, very
straight because you're trying to have it both ways. So
that's sort of my take on it. What do you think?

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Well, first of all, I was thinking, I was trying
to it's so exciting, well and sad, you know how
like when my I remember like my grandma like having
to look at like pop culture and it was like
you shouldn't know who these people are. Like, it's sad
that you have to be, you know, aware of Kim
Petris and Sam Smith's unholy.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
It's sad that we have to be aware of that,
to be honest.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
But yeah, but like and like that's almost how I
feel about you being aware that dead Flo Wolverine exists
where I'm like, no, he's too pure, he shouldn't be
like subjected to this advertising.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
I mean, this is again, this is like I'm this
is what I'm getting purely through like my preconceived notions
of what these properties are. But I would love to
know what you think.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
Well, mostly I've been seeing I've been going to the
theater to see movies relatively frequently now, and I have
been hit with so many ads for this damn movie
that I am like so furious at it generally, and
I the way that it is telling you to laugh
all the time, and it's sort of like it's not

(52:30):
that funny. Sure, I don't the way that it's like
gross out humor. It's like like playfully gay, Like Deadpool
is always like and maybe I'll get fucked in the
asshole right, and it's like and it's always like, oh
my god, that's crazy, and it's like, okay, but it's
not that crazy.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Well, yes, I mean, but that to me is the
dead Pool. Correct me if I'm wrong, But that has
like always been the dead.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Pools always been way.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
But yeah, and now adding this other layer of Wolverine,
I mean, I love you know, the two girls and
their joint sleigh. But I it feels like desperation in
a way that is sad because I'm like, let I
can't believe I have to say the words Deadpool and
Wolverine so many times. I mean, it's it's actually I
regret bringing this up at all. But I'm like, like, also,

(53:20):
like Wolverine was like it ended and it ended sincerely,
and it was like if Hugh Jackman like was set free,
and I was so happy that he was, you know,
and go back to doing musical he can just be
musicals and just live a life again.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
With his normal wife, with his.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Wife who he loves heterosexually period.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
So okay, here's another thing about combining those two is
like Deadpool existed as this like warrior to the rest
of Marvel or something like, he's like the ironic, He's
like the it just pure id like just like shit
jokes and boner jokes and everyone else is fighting for
justice and fighting fanos or whatever, and Deadpool is like

(54:00):
a crazy core gesture. So that's his real cord Gester. Now,
when you combine him, when you bring him into the
world of the non court Gesters, you're basically making a
mockery of the whole thing, and it's almost like an
admission that all of this is fucking stupid.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Yeah, and we don't need that right now.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
I don't like you actually are not allowed to reclaim
it as stupid if you yourself are Marvel.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
Totally. I also like, yeah, for some reason, like get
a different actor, like get a different act, like make
it a different Wolverine. It's I feel I don't know
what deal. You know, Hugh Jackman has signed with What Devil,
but it is.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
There's some rule. Yeah, there's something about that Wolverine specifically
that is so Gaga doing a different or like Beyonce
doing a different genre for each album. It's like they've
made him do like a dark sort of like black
and White movie. They've made him do like a normal one.
Now he's suddenly branching into comedy. It's like, yes, next
like a western, So that is exactly what it is.

(54:59):
Like it's gonna be like the next one's gonna be
a Netflix rom com and it's like him and Storm
or whatever.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
Which actually would be genius and I would watch unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
So yeah, I mean I think the sort of there's
a sort of just like it's so debasing to everyone,
like you're sort of like, let's why can't we quit?
Well we're ahead anymore? Yeah, infinite growth mindset of.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Course, of course, needless to say, so straight, so straight,
needless to say.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
All right, what else is on our list? Okay? Knit
polos as the must have summer shirt? So this is
We've talked a lot about the striped Zara shirt of
twenty eighteen.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
You know, in my mind it's a sort of mustard
color and a black color, but it also exists in
other colors this summer. It's undeniable. The statement shut of
the summer is a is a knit polo. They sell
them at Abercrombie. Of course, all of it is like
a trickle down effect from the body ones, which cost
like six hundred dollars. And that's the thing. We've both

(56:02):
resisted the trend.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
I've resisted the trend. I do think it looks good.
I think it looks good. But here's what I do
want to say. I think it is fear based. It
is it is sort of a you know, like I
don't I know, I'm supposed to have an outfit, but
how do I not look stupid? It's sort of like

(56:23):
it's running from something. I look at people in those
and I say, feel free to live out loud in
any capacity.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
It got too big, too fast. I see it, and
I don't think it looks good anymore, or like I
don't think it. I think it looks like you're following
the leader.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
Which is interesting because I see people in similarly unoriginal
clothing and I don't feel that way. M hmm, Like
I see someone even when I see someone in big
Pants Limited two shirt, I still think they have more
personality than Nitpolo. Interesting, what do you think of those two?
Who has more personality?

Speaker 2 (57:00):
You're right, of course Big Band's little shirt has more personality.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
There's just something about it just so quickly became you know,
off duty tech worker going to a music festival.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
We're also the playing with like fabric. It's happening a
lot these days. And at first I was really excited
by it. You know, I had the terry cloth. I
still you know, I still have some terry cloth that
I like. But it was like everyone's sort of chasing that.
Like everyone realized at the same time, Oh, we can
just change the material and do the same shirt and

(57:34):
it'll be it'll be like traditional but new, right, and
I'm kind of tired of it.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
I see what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
Yeah, I'm almost like it would actually be braver to
just wear a normal polo shirt.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
I completely agree, actually, and I have been wearing you know,
a polished shirt really does exactly what you needed to do.
Talk about something you can dress up and dress down.
The wasps really snapped when they created it. They really
much like gymnastics. You are sort of like, what crazy

(58:04):
motherfucker came up with this? Like it is actually so
random if you think.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
About sometimes I'll be wearing a polo shirt and I'd
be like, this is weird.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Yeah, also talk about like you you have to have
wink to wear a polo shirt because.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Otherwise you just look like a like junior Senator I
just lost his re election campaign.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Sometimes I really forget that I can look junior senator.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Yeah, like easily.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
I have to work against it.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
You have to work against it, and the fit has
to be right. Weirdly, you think a polo doesn't need
to fit well, it does, even if that even if
that fitting will is like an oversize. Look you know
what I mean. Of course, okay, So I mean, I
I'm sorry to say, I'm going to go ahead and
say straight for Nipolos. Yeah, straight, Okay, I mean, I

(58:50):
know we're running out of time. Should we discuss hawk
to a girl?

Speaker 3 (58:58):
This is complicated. I think this is complicated because, you know,
we're setting ourselves up. We're talking about things that are happening,
and mostly I would say things that are like slightly annoying,
and so we start talking about them, and then we
find ourselves talking about them and then I'm like.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Oh, no, I know we're becoming what we hate.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
We're becoming what we hate. And even saying the words
hawk to a girl hurts, hurts, and I don't know
how to process that.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
No, there's something about it where you think we've reached
the bottom and it keeps going. You know, you think
American culture cannot go any lower, and then hawk to
a Girl comes along. And by the way, to your
point about us discussing very very mainstream things, it's like,
this is why we don't do it more often, Like
we can a girl only handle it once a year?

Speaker 2 (59:45):
This hurts? Yeah, hawktua? Is hawk to a girl straight?

Speaker 3 (59:49):
Or? Can you believe that these are the words we're saying.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
And we're doing it willingly, you know, easily.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Literally no one told us.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
No one told us to do that. We came in
and said, I know, not just that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
To call you out for a second, that was your
main addition to the limb.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Oh you cannot do this. I came up with the
Olympics for crying out last year.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
No, you're right right. Oh my birth, this entire birth,
this entire segment. You came up with the Olympics. And
then I was like, oh, what do you think of these?
And you were like, they're great, but can we also
do hawk to a girl? So I want to know
what's your take on talk to a girl? It's you
wanted to discuss her so much.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
I just am curious what it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
I mean, I know, I like there's something about it
we haven't had, like a she's basically Charlie bit my finger,
but a girl, and uh, for some reason, it's hitting different.
It's I think people are like both hating her and
celebrating her in a way that is larger than normal,
in a way that I don't quite get.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
So here's part of it is to me, hawk to
a girl? I can't literally no is started in like
the corner of the Internet that talk about straight by
the way, the corner of the Internet that is, it's
literally like sports bedding and barstool, barstool and some adjacency

(01:01:13):
to like right wing in absolute culture. It is you know,
frat like frap.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
It's a golf.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Gating golf memes, uh day trading like meme stocks. It
is you know the dark parts of Reddit, you know.
So I think what feels different about it in terms
of memes across our desk is that it comes from
that corner of the Internet rather than you know, let's

(01:01:45):
say gen z kids on TikTok, or gay guys that
are posting about Charlie xcx, or even like sort of
like normal girls who came up with girl dinner. Like, right,
this is a this is a community that could not
be farther from our community. Yeah, and yet it's a

(01:02:06):
female lead.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
But it's a female lead talking about like sucking dick, right,
And so they're like they're like, look at this like
slut essentially, like they're like, oh, we hate her, but
we love her because she's owning it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
And she is owning it. Yeah, and I I have
to say like I she couldn't. She has been handling
it with grace. That's true, you know what I mean.
That's like I was sort of like, this is so insane.
There was an article about how like, you know, she's
from the small town, and the media like descended on

(01:02:44):
it to interview her, and they were interviewing like her
grandma and her family. They were like, oh my god,
it's so amazing. You know, she's just a small town girl.
We never expected this. And they're talking about it as
though she competed in the Olympics.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Talk about a barrel.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Literally, it's truly like, so is anyone gonna look which
is the topic that the reason she's famous is because
she said hawk t There's something very quintessentially American about it,
because it's like it really is like fame, nerd and
notoriety and like quote unquote success above all else. It

(01:03:16):
doesn't matter if it's because of hawk Tua or because
you won you know, the one race in the Olympics.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
Yeah, I mean I guess in that regard obviously, it's deeply,
deeply straight. Yeah, there's something I almost look forward to,
like like a year from now when it'll be funny
to reference in like an ironic way, like like yeah, where, Yeah,
that's gonna like there's gonna be like a drink at
a bar called the hawk Tua, and I'm gonna like

(01:03:48):
laugh and have to order it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
No, it's true. There should be a German word for
the despair one feels when faced with hawk to a girl,
it's a it's a combination of like all my greatest
fears about the state of the world have been confirmed
the yeah, plus like I feel like I'm covered in slime.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
It really makes me feel.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
Alone.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it makes.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
Me feel like, oh everyone else, Like I'm my own
person and everyone else is on this other train and
I'm just gonna have to like again like center and
be hold strong to who I am.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
No, it's really.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
True, and thank God and thank God as always we
thank God.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
As the shree. I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
So so that's pretty much and I do think it's Yeah,
I think we have to go with.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Straight, and we have to go with straight on that one.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Well, let's see if we have one final one in us.
Another one on here is Oh Mary, our dear beloved
friend Cole's play, which I think like in a really
amazing way has surpassed any or not any expectation, but
surpassed our own limitations of what we think were comedy

(01:05:06):
can It.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Has gone out of the bubble in a big way.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Out of a big way. And I'm almost like, is
that related to our big argument that all comedy aesthetics
are taking over the world, which I think also relates
to Democrats calling Republicans weird. I think it also relates
to the brat Kamala like totally. There is just something
that's like this has all been brewing under the surface

(01:05:30):
for so long, and it's like people have been listening
to podcasts and being like, well, this is my own
thing that I do. I listened to those cult terisas
and suddenly we're waking up and we're in a lost
Cultureisa's world.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Wow, all comedy is All.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Comedy is now mainstream politics.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Is there's just something about it?

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
Yeah, there's something about it. I was literally thinking about
it recently. I was like, so Cole is like lin
Manuel Morian, Like, I'm like, what the fun.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
But this what I'm saying, it's like literally get ready
for this. Hamilton is Obama, Oh, Mary is Kamala Like
It's like Georgia freaking and walked so oh Mary could run.
It's like Hamilton had to do it fully, earnestly, with
this like amazing goal of like hope, hope, change, and

(01:06:22):
now Omary can finally have some fun and guess what. Ultimately,
O'mary actually has more to say than Hamilton ever did.
It is just doing it through the medium of comedy
and not through the medium of social justice rap.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Unfortunately, you're a genius. You're such a genius. I mean
that is scary. So but then I mean, I can't
wait to see what the future holds. What does it
look like in ten years when.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Right when Hawk to a Girl is in charge, what
is the Hawk to a Girl version of Oh Mary.
It's like, now we're in sort of an okay spot.
There's some great spot. It's a good spot. And actually
I would love it if we could pause here before
Trump wins. But I think this is like a I
think there's a great spot in terms of having some
hope for the future, you know, between Omary and Kamala Harris,
anything as possible totally. But uh, I do worry that

(01:07:11):
the pendulum willt swing in the other direction.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
We just got to swing in a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
What's August Otis and our hiatus?

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
So yeah, let should we wrap up?

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
Let's wrap up?

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Well, I want to say, Sam, I'm so sad you're
leaving me too. I have not allowed I'm doing sort
of the my mom brand of emotional regulation, which is
when she famously said when something bad happens to me,
I don't think about it. It's kind of like my
approach to you leaving. I was even thinking about this

(01:07:47):
at your going away party. I kept being like, let
yourself feel this, and I was not able.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
To I the whole time. Yeah, I was the same way.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
Like the whole time. I was like, oh cool, I
had an excuse to like get attention. Yeah, and it's like, no,
you actually because it hasn't even really hit me that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
I'm like, because you're still here when you're back, and
I was.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
Like, I will be seeing everyone less, like in a
big way, and that is kind of freaky, Yeah, because
I hadn't. It happened so slowly and now it's happening quickly.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Yeah. No, it is true that you sort of did
tease in a very common way to tease do your exit.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Oh, I was teasing for a while, for like six months,
six months.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
Yeah, so yeah, this half half of the year was
actually me teasingly in New York. And yeah, identity wise,
it's complicated. I'm sort of like, you know what this whatever,
I mean, we're wrapping up, but I'm like, it doesn't
sound fun to be like, I live in LA, you
know what I mean. Like when when I'm like saying

(01:08:48):
like I live in New York, I'm always like, now
that sounds good, like that feels good in my mouth.
But if I'm like I live in LA, I hear that,
and I'm like, Okay, okay, I guess you suck.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
Wait, no, that's not that can't be right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
No, it's not right.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
And I'm trying to figure out I mean, yeah, it's
it's there's disdain there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
Yeah, of course here's something that might help you, you know,
in this selection. This selection is between two coastal elites,
one from New York and one from California. Oh and
the one you're voting for is from California. And so
keep that in mind.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
Well, cheers to the coast.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
New York is not sending their best to DC.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Well, another season of Straight Lab is over. We'll see
you on Patreon. And I'm actually really excited about the
next season. I'm like, I get some good guests, and
i think we're gonna like really reach a new era.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
And you're gonna have a wedding ring.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
If I'm gonna have a wedding ring, I'm gonna be
covered head to tone jewels of all kinds.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
Well, I needless to say, expect more Marny next season.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
More Marnie. And I'm sorry I said the material. I mean,
I stand by it, unfortunately, but I would definitely love
some free Marny stuff. Anyone's listening, Maybe send me your
sort of less cheaply made and I'll promote them on
the podcast.

Speaker 5 (01:10:12):
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Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
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Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
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Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
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