"Tote Bags" w/ Doreen St. Félix

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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hey everybody, it's say I'm here with a quick little announcement,
and that is that we are doing Stridia Lab live
back in New York City on Wednesday, April sixteenth at
the Bellhouse. Couldn't be more excited. It's a special editions
we're calling it Lesbio Lab, and we're discussing lesbian topics
with some of our incredible guests, including Sydney Washington, Andrew Longshu,

(00:41):
and Natalie Rodter Lateman. So the lineups to die for.
I haven't been back in New York in a few months,
and I cannot wait. So please get tickets. They're in
our bios and we would love to see you there. Bye.
Podcast starts now.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Wow, you're up here and you say those words.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
I mean, can you believe it live from New York City?

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Even for anyone who doesn't know. I mean, people don't
realize because it comes out once a week. People don't
know that we haven't been together in studio in like
four months at this point. Well, when were you in La?
Don't fact check me. It's been a while. I'm sorry
to debunk you. Okay, we were in La together in February.
It's now April that's what five months? Close, close, that's

(01:21):
almost five months. If you're round up, that's five months.
Think about how long that is multiple of five. No,
but it does feel.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Different because when we were there, we're still like, we're
not like home.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
I'll be the first to say it. These days, one
month feels like a year. Oh my gosh, whatever. They care,
But to me there, that's true. No, it actually is true.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
I literally like, what is going on at all times?

Speaker 2 (01:40):
I know? Can we we have to debut your big
theory about turning thirty versus twenty sixteen on main on
the main feed? Okay, is this the time for this
is the time? Okay, go okay.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Ever since literally the day I turned thirty, I have
had seemingly one health issue after the next. And that
has been five years of consistently like being like, Okay,
well this is gonna be my year. Something horrible happens.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah, And then that's like.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
How in twenty sixteen when Trump was elected, You're like, Okay,
this is the worst thing that's ever going to happen,
and then horrible things kept happening after that in a
way that you're like, oh, I'm actually just at the
beginning of a free fall, and I don't know where
I'm going to land.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
This is one of your most genius theories that twenty
sixteen is when America turned thirty.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
And it was also one of those things where I
didn't want to believe it because I don't want to
know most people that's like, oh, blurg, I'm thirty and
my back hurts.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, like the American populist during the Pussy March or
Women's March. Sorry, sorry about it. I just thought pussy, Yeah,
don't you think that. Sorry not to be anti woman. No, No,
the Women's March was America collectively being like blurg. It
was a.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
Blurg, and it was like I was thirty now and now,
and then it just kept and now they're like fuck,
I'm thirty now.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Like it's like yeah, totally.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
They just keep the suffering keeps happening, and I don't
know where we're going to land forty. But did you
come out like I do have a fantasy that thirty
is like a transitional I completely agree where you're losing
your youth slowly, but then you do settle.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
I think forties, as I've always said. One time, I
read an Amy Polar quote that I think was fake
and AI generated, but it really stuck with me.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
You have to you have to take away the authenticity
from the meaning that gave you.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
I can. It's sort of like it's spiritually true to me.
And I've brought it up many times on this podcast.
If you felt it, it's true. So she said, you know,
your twenties are for figuring out what you're not, your
thirties are for figuring out what you are, and then
in your forties you say this is who I am. Well,
and so I think that America will hit forty soon. Hopefully,

(03:43):
you have to hope it'll be a kind of jut appatoel.
This is forty moment for the United States of A.
And then afterwards, well, we'll hit a level of maturity.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Based on the time that it's taken for us to
turn thirty. I don't know we'll be alive.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah, no, it definitely will be hundreds of years. Unfortunately,
we won't be alive anymore.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, but that's too okay.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Our children will be alive. We're probably not gonna have
kids that come on, you know, it's funny, nephew, Oh
my god, that's true. O. Niece and nephews will be
absolutely eighty yeah, they'll be eighty yeah. Do you think
our nieces and nephews will like make a difference.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
I was thinking about this recently. I was like, actually
with my niece yesterday, and I was like, what are
your politics going to be when you grow up? There's
no way to know, There's.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
No way to know, you have you can guess a
little bit based on you know, socioeconomic backg Right, she is.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
A white girl growing up in Brooklyn. That could go
either way. What if she's part of the downtown scene.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
You mean she's the news, the new Ault, right, Well,
you have to almost respect.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
That then totally. No, I would definitely be supportive if
she was the new Dasha.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
I'd be like, damn, she's kind of yeah cool.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Because I also at that point I would be so
old that I wouldn't really know the ins and outs
of the debates. I would just be like, she has
a podcast, that's fun.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
It's easier for me to think to fantasize about what
their politics will be than it is for me to
fantasize about what their view of our politics will be.
Oh yeah, that's what really scares me is them being like, oh,
you actually believe in this?

Speaker 2 (05:25):
You know what they're gonna think about us. It's like
when we watch a documentary about gay New York in
like the eighties, and then there's like some old guy
that's still wearing a leather choker. That's gonna be us.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yeah, it's gonna hurt. Yeah, but that's okay. This is okay.
I have two things I want to talk about.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Okay, but we have to bring in our guest. Yes,
please do the honor. You know what. Actually, I'm about
to get rid for this. I'm about to do something
so humiliating, which is that I forgot to ask before
the pod if it's Saint Felix or Salt Felik's because
I've heard both.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
Or two.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
It's the second.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
And I knew you were going to bring that up.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Okay, So I because I have said for years, I've said,
say Felix and then sorry, but your boss David Remnick
on air said Felix, and I said this man, say
please welcome Duren San Felip's Hello, Hi, what's up?

Speaker 4 (06:23):
Wait?

Speaker 2 (06:23):
So you knew I was going to bring it up.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah, okay, Because here's the thing. You have a French
last name. I have it through slavery of course, and colonization,
and it's like you're in America, so you anglicize it
all the time to make it easier for people. And
then you go to college and you learn you're supposed
to reclaim your ancestry, but it's like too late to
get people to start pronouncing your name the right way.

(06:47):
So for me, it's like some days I'm like, yeah,
you could say the English way, I don't care, and
then other days I'm like, I majored in African American studies.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Oh, interesting, that's interesting. You never know which to get.
How militants she's bringing a center left energy. This is happening.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
I have noticed with Rihanna where people are like, well,
actually it's Rihanna, but then it has but actually everyone's
called her Rihanna forever. But now there's like this back
and forth where now there's no way to say it
right because everyone's like mad at the other half.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Because Rihanna sounds like the woke way to pronounce. You're
like soft a yes, sounds midwestern exactly Rihanna.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Rihanna sounds and then.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
You do Rhianna in your head, and then you're mad.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah, don't go down that road.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
I find that interesting. I was going to say, okay, now.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
You have two things, say well, and now during is
part of.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
This and you're part of this, and that adds more
pressure to it because they were sort of intro bits
in my mind where they're not very good.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Let's start there one.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
I guess I just want to come up and say
I'm being targeted and my phone is dying so fast.
As of yesterday, I have left the hotel room and
I'm at fifty percent. What they do, that's what they do.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
And now with the tariffs, your next phone's going to
cause approximately five thousand dollars. So get ready, bitch, I'm scared. Okay.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
The next topic is the I think I thought the
Midwest trending thing was going to be over.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
I thought that was sort of the Midwest was trending,
the Midwest trending traveling.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Okay, I don't know if they wereright about that, New Yorker,
but the Midwest, the Midwest is trending, and and before.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
That, Ireland was trending. Yeah, which I can I can.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Really speak on.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Yeah, but now I feel like with Bonnie Bear having
a new album, I actually think the West is continuing
to trend. Yeah, and in a way where I'm like, wait,
is this ever gonna Like I'm like confused by the
Midwest trending and I don't know how to interact with it.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Duran, what do you think?

Speaker 3 (08:51):
What do I think about the Midwest trending? What's fascinating
because there's still so much I think debate about where
the Midwest begins and where men's right. And then there's
certain people like Chapel or Bony Bear who are like
the saints of that idea. But it's like the Chicago question.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yes, the Chicago question.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
Is Chicago Midwest or not? I think? But I would
so much rather debate this than like the Coastal Wars.
You know, that was very like Obama era.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yes, right, you're absolutely right. Obama era was New York
versus LA, and Trump era is the Midwest Chicago like
the extent.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Well, that's a really good point because the Midwest trending
is like a town in Minnesota, like the idea of
like riding a four wheeler on a farm, like exactly
in a thermal whatever Rosen Island.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Yeah, for me growing up, that's what I thought the
Midwest was you grew up in New York, right, I did.
I grew up in Brooklyn and South.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Are you starstruck?

Speaker 1 (09:50):
So so what are your politics now?

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Study black flash?

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Wow, I don't know why that hit me.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Okay, you know what's happening? Yeah, go okay.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
So I remember I moved around a lot as a kid,
and I remember like when I moved to Virginia, so
my dad had gone to Duke and so he had
like Duke gear, and so when we moved to Virginia,
that's like much closer to North Carolina.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Obviously, don't bring up white lotus challenge.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
But I saw like people in Duke merch and I
was like, oh my god, like you know what Duke is.
Like no one in Michigan or Indiana knew what they
knew what it was, but they didn't like talk about
it ever. Yeah, And so then like there's something happening
here where I'm like, wait, you're from.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Brooklyn, And I'm like, right, I'm back. I mean.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
I know that place for like a long time, like
there's a.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Big part of my gosh. So I'm sort of realizing that.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah, but you know, I don't identify with the native
New Yorker mythology.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Really talk about that.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
Well, because I grew up past the last stop on
the L train, so I went to Manhattan maybe like
every eight months. It was just not a part of
my world at all. I feel like I grew up
like in a strip mall suburb. That's what that part
of Brooklyn is like. Sure, yeah, it's like weird Long Island,

(11:22):
Like there was this really big park where the Mafia
was like just sort of like ending its rain when
I was a kid, and it's.

Speaker 5 (11:29):
Like because you were born, they were like, we can't
kill anymore.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
I want to be good.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
But it was this interesting time where like white flight
was causing like a huge part of the population to leave,
and then all these like black and also South Asian
families were moving into Brooklyn and kind of like reshaping
the space, like the literal space in their identity, and
so there.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Was more local culture like New York New York Saturday
Night exactly.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
It's like New York, Like New York City felt as
far to me as it might have felt to you.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Sure interesting, Yeah, I mean that is true. There was
a very brief period in my life, as everyone knows
where I live in New Jersey suburbs, of course, and
I was technically speaking like forty five minutes from the city,
but it was not something I considered home by any means.
It's probably my cosmopolitan vie.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Do you think New Jersey will be trending.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Next this isn't it? I actually don't because I think
New Jersey I think.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
It trended in like two thousand eight. I think there
was there was the indie rock.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
It's also before that Bruce Springston. I think Bruce Springsteen
trended too hard at his peak. And I think, like
I also think there was something around Jersey Shore, Teresa Judais,
like all these sort of like trashy New Jersey legends
that actually became so big that it made people uncomfortable.
Like I don't think people like thinking about Snookie right now,

(12:56):
whereas they do like like people do like thinking about
like Tiffany Pollard or like what are other sort of
like reality icons of that era, like people like think
about America's next not model, think the real world, like whatever.
But I don't think I think the Jersey Shore era
is people think of it as a dark era for America.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, but that changes so quickly. The fact that it
is loaded, means it's coming back soon.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
So maybe it'll come back in like the twenty thirties.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Well, it is like if we're doing Y two K,
it's like just around the corner.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
And also a lot of these figures are you know,
like the situation for example, Yeah, who I tend to
keep up with? Oh okay, he's sober now, And I
feel like that fits into the whole like sober fascism
thing that's happening with people.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
What's that?

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Well, people are just so intense and it's a morality thing.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Now I've I haven't heard it like quit so plainly, like.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
You're not put it pretty offensively, I.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Guess, I mean because I know, yeah I have. I've
like picked up on this on.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
The internet where it's like a sober culture is like
hard right now, Well.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
There were steps. First was Cali sober, which was that
you didn't drink alcohol, but you did every other drug
known to man. Yeah, and now people are becoming addicted
to sobriety, I think, And it's like becoming the entirety
of their identity, don't.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
You think there's also like a to bring it to
a straight lab space gendered dynamic of like the feminine
to be very essentialist. The feminine part of that is
like mocktail culture, yes, and like mocktails being seventeen dollars
and it's like Celery shrub and celt or whatever. And
then the masculine side is like Huberman was that his name?

(14:48):
The podcast the like Stanford podcast health Guy. Oh god,
you guys.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Are my only podcast.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
I don't know any but like it, like basically like
people that are like almost like manisphere level like work out,
take care of your body, raw meats, solar anus. Yes,
so those are the two and which and I guess
both of those are eclipsing the previous notion of sobriety,

(15:15):
which was like aa sobriety right, Yeah, it's almost like
being an alcoholic is beside the point when sobriety is
a is a fascist lifestyle. That's such.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
That's exactly what the pivot is because.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah, it's no longer part of an addiction narrative, right WHOA.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Like for so many people, it's not necessarily that they
had to overcome a dependency on alcoholics probably are not alcoholics.
You do have to reach the calm out standard alcohol. Yeah,
you got to earn it you know what I mean,
and you know what the difference.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Okay, So first of all, it's good that people are sober,
good for them. But there's also another dark element to
all this, which is like, sobriety became commodified that so
when something becomes commodified, you need more and more people
to engage in it. The first round of people are
actual recovering alcoholics who are the let's say target market.
There's only a limited amount of those, so then you're

(16:14):
going to other people, and now you have to find
as many people as possible. It's like how Facebook started
targeting children and teens after they got all and people
in countries, in countries outside America when they got America
all hooked, right, you have to keep expanding the market.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
I was listening to this podcast with a fitness guy
on it, uh huh, which was random, and he got
so uptight as soon as alcohol was mentioned, and like
he was being like, so chill generally, and then as
soon ascohol is brought up, he was like, I.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Never touched that stuff.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
That stuff is horrible if you want to actually make games.
And I was like, I hate this mindset, like it's
like not everything has to be productive and perfection.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
And also, I mean, I guess the other side of
this is this idea that like all of your productivity
is in making your body better. Yes, but that's like
an actual moral work that you're doing by avoiding any
kind of vice, as if you know, eating eight hundred
calories a day and like hitting your protein macros isn't
also advice. Yeah, and it's like really disturbing and upsetting

(17:14):
to me. I feel like it's even affecting my social life,
where there are people like I want to spend a
kind of like relaxed time with, but I can't because
they're just like in this prison of optimism.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
I know, the prison of optimization is really is really real,
and it goes beyond any kind of like alcohol or anything.
It's just like you have to accept that social life
means sacrificing some part of your personal preferences for the
group exactly, for anyone listening. We're now past talking about alcohol.
I'm not implying people that don't drink me to suck

(17:47):
it up and drink. Well.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
It's yeah, we're talking about like body cause I feel
like in gay world specifically, there's like that thing of
like you like sexual you hang out people who are
kind of your body type. But then there's this thing
of like, well, but I want to hang out the
people I get along with, and that those two don't necessarily.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
But they're on G. Yeah, I want to hang out
with my friends, but they're on G. So it is
it's the famous problem. It's a really confusing issue. Yeah, no,
it'sir and they're sort of like what are you doing?
Like why are you eating that?

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Like we're hanging out right exactly.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
And it's like this weird thing that is in the
way they're also also.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
It's like everyone has these friends where you're like, okay,
time to hang out here we fucking go like what
is it going to be this time? Like, oh, you're
you know, you're like fasting this week because you have
this thing You're like not you know, you're you're not
avoiding the sea train because you're at your horoscope Like.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Yeah, yeah, it's weird. And also it's such a it's
an in your thirties thing. Yeah everyone right, I just
turned thirty three. I mean you really roasted us two
ago at that show.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
George, Oh my god, yes, yes, yes, please place you
can break the foork wall show.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Yeah, Jesus here Jesus. Do you guys do Jesus.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
I grew up with more religion than you did.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Probably you didn't have very much religion.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
I mean, I'm always like, okay, here's my thing with religion,
because it was it was just religion was never traumatizing
for me, Like it was always so casual and just
like part of our culture, like I'm going to church
for Easter, but I have not given any thought to
what that means more broadly, or like how I feel
about you, Like it just is like not a not
something I never felt that like rub up against, like

(19:30):
being gay or like anything. Like. It was just very casual.
So I always forget that for other people religion was
traumatic and I'm very cavalier about it.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
How do you feel that's interesting? I there was a
time in my life where you know, I became a
lapsed Catholic, which means I was like.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
A staunch atheist. I was like Richard Dawkins level in college.
But you have to go through that phase.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
You do, because you're just like rebelling as you do
with anything else. And then after a while, I think
I moved to a neighborhood with a lot of church
ladies in it, and they would just wake up on
Sunday looking so fab fascinator on, you know, just like
matching all together, like walking really slow down the sidewalk.
It was their runway. And it's like, I'm okay with this. Yeah,

(20:14):
you know, the oppression, the repression not great. Yeah, It's
caused a lot of stress in my life. But I'm
just like, we do our shit, you know, like we
are obsessed with going to sailor on decab like four
times a week.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Totally just got to get there.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
I've actually only ripen them once, but you know what
I'm referencing, Yes, So I'm just kind of like people
have their things at this point, and I'm willing to
kind of have a more like micro vision of what
it is that religion does for people as opposed to
having the like haranguing you know, this.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Is I feel the same. Course, then sometimes you're reminded.
It's like you can say that and then you're and
then you hear some story of someone who is like
I don't know, sent to convergent therapy or like oh god,
I write right, of course that's bad.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Religion is a lot like YouTube, and of course it's
anyone should use it.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
It's fun, but it's like it does radicalize people. Twenty
sixteen was America Turning thirty. A religion is a lot
like YouTube. Should we do our first segment?

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Sorry, yeah, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Our first segment is called straight Shooters, and in this
segment we ask you a series of rapid fire questions
to gauge your familiarity familiarity with in complicity and straight culture.
The one it's just one thing or another thing, and
you have to choose one, and you have to go
with your gut. And the one rule is you can't
ask any follow up questions about how the game works.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Wow, this is very strange.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Okay, Duren gin or aquamarine.

Speaker 5 (21:50):
Aquamarine women, Right, that was a follow up Question's so
word deducting points Durin women in Space or Numi Rapace.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
Women in Space. Okay, but not for the reason you think.
All right, I'm this.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Lord's Big comeback. Or Orange is the new Black, Oh.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
Oh oh, or just the new flat shout out to Netflix,
Russian Dressing or American Express Oh Russian dressing.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Okay, being a New York Times bestseller, or having committed
crimes against a bank teller.

Speaker 6 (22:29):
Oh oh, having committed crimes against the bank.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Teller starting a trade war? Or what was I made for?

Speaker 3 (22:45):
What was I made for?

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Okay? Ai slop or gay guy flop.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Gay guy flop?

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah yeah, okay, military spending or Jupiter ascending.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Jupiter ascending, Jupiter ascending?

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Wow? Are you Jupiter ascending? Stand?

Speaker 3 (23:01):
I don't know?

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Was that the yes? Okay? What so are we doing
our new grading system? Oh? Okay, so durine to fill
you in. For years we rated guests from a scale
of zero to one thousand doves, named after the Lady
Gaga song one thousand Doves. But we recently.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Decided, what do zero one thousand blades of grasses of grass?

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Okay, we can do our new ranking.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Well, then I'm gonna go ahead and say eight hundred
and sixty two blades of grass.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Wow, good Jo, that's a really high. That's a really
good score.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
I felt like there was a sense of wonder yay.
I liked the confusion. That felt nice.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
You had a charisma and an on camera sort of
charm that I think many people don't.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
It's funny because I have such anxiety about being on camera. Really,
the whole point of being a writer, So you can't
don't have to be seen. I don't want to be seen.
You know how people want to be.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Seen that yeah, I wish I didn't want to see.
Sometimes you have to remember to put substance behind it.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Totally. No, it's I have to put a little note
in my phone at substance.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Don't forget substance, have something else.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
I have a new idea. Uh oh, okay, get ready.
This is a new concept that I'm inventing.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
I'm not ready. I just want to say, okay.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
So obviously the dream is for everything you do to
have substance. In today's fast paced media ecosystem, that's not sustainable. Right.
Let's say you're a an LGBTQ plus creator. You know
you're gonna have some things that are your body of
work and some things that are like Instagram, Reils promo, whatever.
We need to come up with the ratio that's like,

(24:42):
this is the ratio of like substance the not substance
that is allowed, and if you pass it in the
no substance direction, you're thrown off of Instagram.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Wow, you're at least like you're you have like a
two week band.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yes, yeah, like I think so maybe it's like okay.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Okay, but substance Okay, I'm trying to think, like in
the in the comedy sphere, so this would be like
the thing, a thing that is actually like comedic has
a point of.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
View rather than catering to the algorithm.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Not catering algorithm, and not just like a picture. Or
is it not that I can't tell what is more meaningful?

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Honestly, I'm even like, Okay, let's say you're a is
all digital content substanceless to begin with? I think yes.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
I think anytime you're looking for fandom in the in
the social media verse, which is what most people are
doing now, it's substanceless. I think the only pure social
media was when it was posting pics for your friends. Yeah,
the washed out picks and two us, Yes, totally exactly.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
But are we being resistant to the state of things?

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Well, yeah, obviously conservatives are even.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Were my hat?

Speaker 3 (26:04):
I mean to say, we are not like digital natives, right, yeah,
but if you're a fifteen year old, imagine having this conversation. Yeah,
they're like smart luod ites whatever, who are like the
internet is bad for you. But there are other people
who don't have like a value value system, or they

(26:25):
don't apply value to the Internet because it is what
it is. It's a sky.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Everything. We can't make technologically determinists. Okay, we can't. We
can't say all social media. It can't be based on
the medium, I guess is what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
But we can say that if you do two sponsored
posts in a row, I'm actually not going to like
the second because at that point I need something.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
If you're doing a sponsored post that's not spreading positivity,
that is doing ad copy.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
If you're being like, please comment on my sponsored post
so it gets more engagement, so I get I need
ten percent. Yeah, okay, Well, I'm glad that's covered.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Maybe we should as a blanket say just like sixty
forty sixty and we're still working on defining what and
we're still working but the golden ratio they call it
sixty forty. Yeah, okay, I think that's great. Doreen. Yes,
what is your straight topic and what do you think

(27:20):
is straight about it?

Speaker 3 (27:21):
Okay? My straight topic is the toe bag?

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Which one?

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Before I say which one?

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (27:32):
Okay, I do want to shout out Amelia Petrarca. Oh, yes, Chapera,
she was great, and she last year wrote this. I
think you could call it like a treatise against the
flaccid tote bag.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
What I'm scared think about it.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
You have a toe bag, it's on your shoulder. It
should have things in it, right, Like the whole point
of a toe bag is like I can't wear like
my real bag right now. I'm also not gonna wear
a backpack because I'm an adult. But I have like
a lot of things with me, you know, like I
have my tampons, I have my wallet, I have a
bottle of water, I have a chopp salad. All this

(28:10):
stuff in my toe bag and it signals life, right.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
So the point of the toe back is not actually,
to me, the surface of the toe back, So it
says it's about the fact that you're like a person
on the go, like you're a little harried, you're you're
a messy, buond person and you just need to throw
everything in the bag, right yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
And so when people carry a particular tote bag from
a particular magazine, per se and there's nothing in it,
to me, I'm like, that's like that that's like the straightness.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
In it right, yeah, because you're just signaling you're not
using it as a bag, You're using it as a
graphic tea exactly. Yeah, yeah, no that yeah, And then
it's you know what it is, the bag is wearing you.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
You're not working exactly, and you're supposed to wear a
bag totally.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
You know.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
Yeah, people don't know this anymore, are you guys? eBay people?

Speaker 2 (29:04):
You know? Here's the thing. Thank you for asking first
of all and giving me the platform to answer. I
want so badly to.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
Be an eBay person and everyone can be.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
I My biggest shame is how I've had some successes
with vintage shopping, but it's not in me, Like it
stresses me out so much. I will make an amazing
vintage purchase once a year and it will be all
I talk about for months. As you know, yeah, are
you an eBay person? It's like the idea that I

(29:34):
would find a perfect leather jacket on eBay Like that
seems to me more less likely of me becoming president.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Well it's well, say I order it, it comes to
my house, I put it on, it doesn't fit.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Then what then I just have this jacket?

Speaker 1 (29:46):
No?

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Then I'm not all you basically this is a lifestyle
though like this, the lifestyle of constant ordering and returning.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Yeah, is like to me, return I bought when I
all right, take my special. Last week I bought three shirts,
none of which I ended up wearing. They are now
in a bag and I have to return all three
of them, and I can feel the clock ticking. Honey,
I am not making plans to keep those shirts.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
But once you like permit yourself to return things that
you buy online, like everything changes total Because and that
happened for me last Wow, I had this moment where
I was like, I'm actually going to get my money back. Wow,
and I've reclaimed my time, everything, my power. It was amazing.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
That's so amazing.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
The reason why I brought it up is because one
thing I love doing. I'm actually not shopping right now
because it's the problem, but I love getting like old
bags on eBay because the thing about a bag is
like you actually really want it to be worn. You
want it to stretch, be elastic, to be kind of weather.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Like purse, like a like a nice like a bag, not.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
A r Metz bag. Not yet rebe If this podcast
goes well, yeah, but that's it just relates to what
I'm thinking where I'm like, Okay, you're just like wearing
this toe bag. You're not actually using it because you're
using it to signal something about like your liberalism and
your politics, and you're forgetting the romance of the bag.

(31:15):
Bags are so romantic, you know, it's like sex a bag.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Bags are sex.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Yeah, you know you're like ruffling through it. It has
everything you want. You put it down, you pick it up.
That's sex.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Okay, So here's what you're there's something in there.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Froyd did a whole thing about this.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
And do you know what plane bag is. It's someone
who is like a sex positivity influencer, but you can
tell they don't have sex. It's someone who makes video
front to camera videos that are like okay, so choosing
the right butt podcast And then and you're like, have
you ever had sex? Yeah? That's really tough.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Yeah, I think Okay, another reason why a bag is sex?

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Yeah, there's like the whole thing of like, as a boy,
you're like I was taught as a child like don't
look at a woman's bag.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Yes, it's like how did it make you feel?

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Well? Like I want to have sex with that?

Speaker 3 (32:11):
Bag.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Well, there is something even when you see a woman
opening the bag and going and you're like.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
Oh, it's like it's really erotic.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
It's very erotic. It's also I won't it's almost like breastfeeding.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
I was just gonna say that. I was just gonna say.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Because here's the thing with breastfeeding, it's still weird space
between private and public because of course you want to celebrate,
like you do not ever want to what's the.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
Word stigmatizigmatize it, yes, but.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
You're also not going to be like taking a photo
like smile, like taking a photo of a woman. So
it's like this weird midway point where you're like, there
are two there are three options private, public, empowered, and
it is empowered.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
One of the funnier empowered options I think in the
past like fifteen years is the breastfeeding pod.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
Yeah, it's so funny because it's like someone is walking
in with their child and you're just like, yeah, girl,
you're about to go breastfeed. But I also can't see
it exactly.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yeah, it's totally good.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
That leans more towards shame to me, so like I'm
going to the bathroom, but for breastfeeding.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Well, it's not shame. It's quiet luxury, quiet luxury. It's
like you see someone wearing a gorgeous look from the
Rows twenty one and you're and if you're a classy person,
you're not going to stop them on the street and
say is that the Row. You're just gonna sort of
given them up and down and say I see you, Yes, exactly.

(33:47):
And that's how I feel about breastfeedingastfeed.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
You know, I did the Row.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
No, it is not as good quality as people say it.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
It's not. And the prices that you are paying shocking
down payment prices.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
No.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Literally, you're like, where's Klarna?

Speaker 3 (34:05):
Do I Clarona my eggs? Or do I Karna my shoes?
From the Row? I want to a really fabulous Fincher
store downtown and there was a Row frock shapeless, which
I like, Yeah, I was like, let me try it on.
It was affordable for the Row. And I tried it
on and I looked like I looked like death, Like

(34:28):
I looked like, you know, depictions of death and ramantic death.
I would never say that, No, like you know, death
as like a black triangle, just like like motionless se Yeah, yeah,
it just I don't.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Know, people pay a lot of money, don't like death.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
But maybe I'm just like kind of a basic like
femme girl, Like I do like feeling like the closer,
like you know, demanding that I show off my waist
or whatever, like oh that stuff. I like that stuff.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Yeah, I find the row is always to me just implied,
like you just want to spend a lot of money
on something.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Right, It's sort of like you have a fetish for
spending money literally more so than for a specific.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
Type yourself yourself. Yeah, but you're like a good person,
You're a good shopper. Yeah, because you're deciding to spend
three thousand dollars on a sweater as opposed to accruing
a lot of fast fashion, and there's never a third
option that you might just like not spend money on
yourself at all and not be materialist.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Well, there's also something about the row being quiet luxury,
where you're like, well, why why why so quiet?

Speaker 2 (35:42):
What are you ashamed of? What do you hide? It?
Totally like soft life?

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Can we go there?

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Wait?

Speaker 3 (35:46):
What soft life? You guys know about stuff?

Speaker 2 (35:48):
What's soft life?

Speaker 3 (35:49):
I wonder if this is like a racialized thing, but
in the past two years, I kept seeing posts and
essays from people, you like black, like middle class, like
well educated women who are like, I'm not doing a
hard life anymore. I'm going to do soft life. So
soft life means like I'm not going to be I'm

(36:11):
not gonna have political opinions because you don't listen to me.
I'm just gonna go to Miami.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
I feel humiliated, first of all, that I've never heard
about this.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
This is so interesting. Maybe there's still a little segregation
in the world. I'm interesting, but yeah, it's like it's
completely taken over. Like some of the most like industrious,
like exciting women I know are now.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Like in Miami.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess it's like black the black
version of like trad wife culture.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Oh but it is also women. Yeah, Is it also men?

Speaker 3 (36:43):
No, it's a very singular They probably are, but I
haven't found them. But it's like, singularly it's about like
the overworked black women.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
It is a response. It is a response to like
white people having signs that say listen to Black women
being like no, thank you, I'm going to Miami as one.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
Don't listen to me, like the ship that I say
sometimes Sure, it's like.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
I'm not, I mean, on this podcast. Yeah, we've always
insulted so many communities.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Oh my gosh, I have no No, No.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
You haven't. I'm just bags. Yeah, I wait, I'm sorry.
Go ahead, I go back to the toe. I want
to go back to tote, even though I'm like, we
have to have you back on to discuss soft life
because I'm.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Well, it's a like we talked about like sort of
head in the Sand vibes right away.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
So Head in the Sand was last summer. Each summer
we say what summer it is, So there was one
summer that was cliff girl summer. We can't get into it.
And but last summer was head in the Sand girl summer.
And it was because people were no longer reading the news. Yeah,
and so that's sort of what soft life is.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
Yes, it is an extension of that. It's like not
reading the news because I don't know, like if you
think about like Kamala losing for example, Like there was
a response from a lot of people that was like
you didn't listen to us, So we're just gonna like
abandon any of like I don't know, like moral rectitude.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
It's like why try if no one is paying attention.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Yeah, but or it's not really like if no one
is paying attention, it's just like we're not going to
save you anymore.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, which is you know what
if I suddenly do that even though even though I'm
not in that, I'm saying, like, you guys are not listening.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Well, GA, guys kind of arguing that at all times,
the summer vacations are skipping.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
GA guys are skipping the chapter where you are politically
engaged and want people who listen to you and are
going straight to stop play.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
I mean, it's almost that season. We're in the middle
of April is.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Coming.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Wait, what do you What's What's what's Pulia this summer?

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Okay, So I'm almost scared to even say this on air.
I have heard so I am being pressured to go
to Genoa. What's that Italy?

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Yeah, that's new. I haven't heard that.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
I think that's going to be the new Pulia.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
Okay, are you gonna are you going to submit to
the pressure?

Speaker 2 (39:28):
I think so I haven't taken I haven't taken a
vacation that wasn't family oriented in maybe pre pandemic. So
I think this is going to be my big treat
to myself. What's the first word you guys keep saying?
Pulia is a is a big vacation destination that people
go to. Where is it it is in Italy?

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Damn.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
It's so awesome when something goes completely over your head
because it's sort of like, I'm glad I didn't even
know to want.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Like that's kind of a.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Nice it's very philosophy that you've just been.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
There to not know, don't know, don't want. So it's like, yeah,
desires beautiful, the soft life of desire.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
During write that down, let me just get my pen
out of my toe bag that's full of things.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Okay, So I have another thing about sex being bad
about bags being sex Okay, and this is controversial. Think
about the life cycle of a bag visa v brand new, spink,
brand new clean versus completely round through, right, there's something
where it's like, if it's too clean, that's not attractive, yes,

(40:40):
but sorry, if it's too dirty, that's also not attractive.
Part so is mine, honestly, but part of I think
there's something there's always this give and take between virginal
culture and sex positivity, and ultimately we come out somewhere
in the middle where it's like you have to have
a certain level of sexual experience to be valid. But

(41:03):
then don't go too far because this is still a judo.
We run on Judeo Christian value in this town, in
this fucking city.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
Oh my gosh, should we start a coffee shop instead
of we run on Duncan Christian values?

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Honestly, would do amazing, That would be really great. I
think we we are.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
I don't know how much we're allowed to talk about it,
and it's okay if not, but like the New Yorker tote.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Of it at all, Yeah, like that we were talking
around you were You're being so virginal.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
And it's just like it implies so much. There's like
a status level to it, and then there's like a
conversation about like there's a hate towards it because of
the status level and this thing that like cycles around
my ahead. Well, I don't know where to stand on it,
Like I don't know where we where it lands in
the culture right now.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
I can, I'll say something and then maybe that'll inspire
other opinions. I think one of the reasons why a
New Yorker toade is straight is because it is the
default tote. Like there's something hegemonic about it, regardless of
how you feel about the actual New Yorker magazine. It
is like, think tote, what do you think do you think
in New York or toad? Yeah, there is standard. It

(42:14):
is standard. And I think that is where a lot
of the like because it has become canonized in this way.
That's where the backlash comes from.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
Right. It's also we're having a very New York centric.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Like.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Part of the reason why you even feel strong emotion
when you see someone wearing that tote is because you're
probably seeing them wear it and you know these neighborhoods.
Yes I'm not gonna name them not I've been talking
about dos the neighborhoods please and so the and then
you you are filled with the self loathing mm hmm
because you're like, I'm one of them, Yes, because you're

(42:51):
you're like, I identify that status simple. It's not so much
about the person wearing it. It's about the fact that
you have this knowledge.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Yeah, it's even like there's something if we're talking about
sort of let's say the park slope, like wealthy.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
It's sad it's Sam. That's crazy. I just said we
were not naming neighborhoods.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
I'm like, I'm calling everyone out today. Enough the Park Slope,
like wealthy family that's still like liberal and cool.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Yeah, you like see.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Them and you're like I want that, Like I'll never
be able to have that. Yeah, And I'm like I'm
jealous of it, And that's the New Yorker toad to
me kind of and.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
You don't want to admit to yourself that you're jealous
of it.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Yeah yeah, yeah, But then it's people. Then then it
becomes also people trying to sort of imposter syndrome, like
they'll like get it because they're like, well, I can
have a piece of that lifestyle if I just get
the toe.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Rare, right, Because there's also the there's the other side
of it, which is like new college graduates moved to
New York City, Yeah, wearing a New Yorker toad and
she's like so excited about her big internship. That's true. Yeah,
that's a sweet one.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
I feel like in my youth I would make fun
of that one. Yet now I now my haggard old
thank god you read yeah totally. You know, like someone
is paying a subscription.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
That's great. Here's what I have to say, Let's see
more New Yorker magazines if you're in New Yorker toats
because I'm on these trains and I'm seeing way more
totes than people reading the magazine.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
And they used to tear that magazine up on the train.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
It's true, yeah all the time.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Yeah, you know, it's like the New Yorker magazine no
longer on trains. What is on trains is speakers.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
Yeah, there are so many speakers on the trains.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Speakers on the train.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
And I have been taking the train by myself since
I was maybe like ten or eleven years old, and
there was I've seen some stuff. I once saw a
kid get his iPod stolen from him out of his hand.
Oh no, on the two train. I was like fourteen,
coming home from high school that day. And it wasn't
even I don't know if you could call it like
a mugging because there wasn't like really any like deep

(45:04):
violence involved. This guy was just like your puny, I'm
gonna take this, and he.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Just walked off. Sure.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
Sure, I feel like I've seen all kinds of violations,
but everyone knew, like there was a social trust that
you wouldn't blast music on the train, and now it's impossible.
You just go. You're like in a like the seven
Circle of Hell train, like car to car, someone's blasting something.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Okay, here's my suggestion for you, Doreen. Obviously you haven't.
You you have access to the New Yorker offices Conde Nast.
You go in there, you get a bunch of New
Yorker magazines. Whenever someone's blasting music, you go up to them.
You say, you have them on the shoulder. You say,
read this instead.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Oh my gosh, a street preacher before.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
My job, you say, open to age twenty seven. I
have an amazing piece. I think you're going to absolutely
love it.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Oh my gosh. I never I don't know. I always
feel I feel like very not implicated when I see
people with New york Er gear.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Yeah, and like that's like between you totally.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
And mag Like this is an.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Interesting thing actually, And I think this weirdly circles back
to over identification with the tote bag brand. It's like,
in the same way that a toad can be just
a toad, or it can be your entire personality, your
job at this x y Z. Institution can either define
you to the point where it's like you know in

(46:33):
your like bio at the parks of food com or
it can just be like a tangential thing that you
don't think like it's It would be like if Sam
and I were like proud iHeart employee, which we always
right away.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
I know there's something I've always This is an interesting
point that I haven't really thought about, but I like,
there are people that make their jobs their whole thing,
and oh, that's the blank guy. Yes, and then there's
people that like have that job and like almost keep
it quiet, so it's not their whole thing, right, And
I've always really admired the latter half, but also crave
the legitimacy of the first hours.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Well, there's something I think we feel that it's cheek. Yeah,
when someone is like, oh, that's my job, as opposed
to like, this is my everything, it's quite luxury.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
It's quiet. We can't get enough of this quiet labor.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
It would not be quiet luxury if your handle on
all platforms was at New York or Dorian, your prophib
picture was in New Yorker Sketch, and your cover photo
was the New Yorker Dandee, could you imagine I would
be like, what a loser?

Speaker 3 (47:42):
I changed the sketch though when we first did it.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Of course, of course.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
Because I I smile in the world, but not when
I'm doing my job. I'm a serious woman, of course,
and our wonderful illustrator give me a smile, and I
was like absolutely, like I need to be taken seriously,
so I have like a really straight mind, severe face.
I think I look like my cartoon though.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Wait, so did you request for your cartoon to not
have a smile. That's very that's really funny, that's really good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
I there's something about I remember, this is very it.
I feel like it's in writing as well, but in
comedy it was very like early on, when you're just
a person that sort of does comedy, it's like you're
trying to prove that you're real, and so there is
this thing where people are like, I am I have
been on Comedy Central, right, and that's like your biggest thing,

(48:41):
and you like post about it constantly and then it
becomes but then you watch that as like a other,
as like a peer, and you're like, well, that's tasteless.
Why are they doing it like that, sure, but I
get the urge and I feel it's a funny thing
to try to balance.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
I know. During the Facebook days, a big running joke
was that comedians would have the way that the the
way that the structure of Facebook would work is that you,
they would say works at comedian because do you remember this?
It would be the company self employed comedians I love.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
I used to screenshot though, because they were a bunch
and sometimes I have like a few things and they
would always be so self.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Serious comedian bartender.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Yea yeah, best case scenario.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
I used to be like a little bit of a
comedy groupie. Really yeah, I've never said that that like
the way it sounds, but it's true.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
For what what's what? Which?

Speaker 3 (49:40):
In college, I just would I was obsessed with the improvos.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
This is the most vulnerable thing.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
I don't know why I'm telling you that that's true.
I think because I don't know. There's a link right
between like writing and it's both writing. And I really
admired that they were like willing to like debase themselves.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
So can I say even more vulnerable? Are you ready
for this?

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Yeah? Crying?

Speaker 2 (50:04):
In college I was a spoken word group. No way,
I was obsessed with the spoken word. I was not
part of it, just to be I was going to say.
I knew I did not have the talent within me,
but I would go to all their shows and I

(50:25):
would like be like legitimate fans of them and like
befriended them from the shows, and one of them ended
up becoming a very successful novelist. Oh shout out.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
So you were fans of the college and properup not
like like uh yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
And then a little bit after college I would go
to you know, like New York City.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Something Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's so interesting.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
I mean I was obviously I was, But I do
think comedy is evil, Like I just you know what's.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Crazy is that it like throughout history has been evil.
It's just like, well, I'm just thinking about the way
the role that specifically comedians currently have in normalizing every
evil thing. It's like it's like someone an evil thing
will happen and then all the comedians will be like, okay, great,
so you normalize the sexist part, you normalize the racist part,

(51:20):
and then let's get together next week and we'll sort
of figure out. Like it is crazy, and I don't
know was there a switch that happened or has it
always been pandemic? The pandemic made things much worse.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Okay, wait, this is something that I also wanted to
bring up earlier, and I think this is a good
time for it.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
So we told you about Lizzo's pass.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Right, I get For some reason, whenever you say that phrase,
I envision you know, the map like in the beginning
of like a fantasy. Now you go down Lizzos past.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
That's a reference.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
It's fully Lord of the Rings code I got it
is do writers face Lizzo's pass? Yes?

Speaker 3 (52:02):
You do?

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Yes, they definitely.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
This was like rejection being like a huge hit right now, Like,
is he on Lizzo's past writing?

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (52:10):
I think though, but like I think he's on the
past current.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
He's on the past. What did Sally Rooney choose? I
think she chose, well, I know, I don't know. I
think uh got the mic. I can't, I can't.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
I can't answer that question.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
No, no, we're not. We're not making to answer that question.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
But oh god, okay, can you think of any notable
writer that you are allowed to talk about that have.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Well let's start there. Can you think of any notable writer.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
You know, can you think of any writer that has
gone through Lizo's pass and got in a particular way.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Do you think Joan Didion chose target or pitchfork?

Speaker 3 (52:45):
That's okay, Yeah, it's so interesting that you bring Joan
did he enough. I can't believe Joan Didion can come
up in a conversation so rare because we're talking about agency. Yeah,
but I do think sometimes Lizzo's Pass is not something
that is done by the right.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Yes, well, the winds are blowing and the storm is
brewing and somebody exactly.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
And your ripman winkle when you wake up and all
of a sudden you're in like file four.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
Yeah, And it's fascinating with Joan Didion that like Selene
had a lot to do with that, you know, all
of a sudden, like.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
It really did.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Yeah, like that ad. She had always been fetishized as
opposed to read two different things, and that AD just
like really accelerated it. I think that the interesting about
Lizzo's past to me is like you can go back
and then turn around.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
True, it is a geographic location. You're allowed to travel backwards.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Absolutely, Like sometimes there are writers who you know they
put out a book or they do a story, or
they you know, take on a second job. And I'm like,
that's so that you could get that apartment, you know,
And I'm fine with that. I think I think, you know,
I think selling out is a bit of an outdated structure.

(54:04):
It doesn't really like make sense with the way that
labor works in the art industry.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
And especially with the substance ratio and social media.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
I think that like it is possible, it might even
be like good and generative to kind of like dip
into target.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Yeah, not target.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
Itself because bad DEI we don't of course, we don't
top of target. We're costco girls here.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
This is the concept of target.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
Yes, the concept is target. It's useful I think to
like abandon seriousness and to like, actually, I think, be
on the level and interact with like, I don't know,
sort of like basicness of our culture. Obviously, like we
think it's sacrilegic because we're like writers are supposed to

(54:47):
be wise, They're supposed to be like above commercialism, above
all these things. But the dirty secret is like throughout
much of history, most of them weren't. We just didn't
have access to the way that they live their lives
like holistically right. Yeah, and so so Lizzo's past I
think can be you know, subverted.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Yeah. Hearing you talk about Liz's past is amazing.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
I really feel it's like when a dramatic actor does
comedy and you're like, oh my god, I didn't know
you could be examined like that. Okay, Wow, I think, Okay,
I'm this might actually be a difference between writers versus musicians,

(55:29):
because I'm trying to examine if musicians.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
If you and go back, okay, who is in music?

Speaker 1 (55:34):
Because writers, I agree, like especially like movie I think
about like people like movie writers will one weird one one.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Which is accepted. We sort of understand that in order
to be a good yeah, like screenwriter, you do have
to prove that you can make commercial.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Yeah. But musicians back. The musician that has gone visited
Target and then went back to the past.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Was think about it. Let's think about it.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
God, this is hard, Okay, Okay, I have one. Okay, Well,
this isn't quite right. Okay, but maybe it'll lead us
in the direction. I kind of think bony Vere because
I felt it was Kanye Target.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Well, that's the thing that's a larger conversation with Kanye. Yeah,
but that's the thing. It's like, I think that's what
you're implying.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
I think, but I also think that like the second
album that like won the Grammy and that got like
this big mainstream thing and it really felt and I
think it was in commercials for like Apple, and it
was like okay, this is like he's big now.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
And then he's in Kanye songs and it.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Was like okay, Like I personally was like, I'm cool,
I don't care anymore. And then he kind of went
back and did like electronic weirder music again, and then
now he sort of settled into a he can go
either way.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Okay. So maybe it's musicians. Okay, it's musicians that also
work as producers. It's like they're a producer. Chapter of
their life is target, like they can go do a
you know, do a do a song.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
Okay, sorry, this is I'm going to common deer right now.
Please please, Because I've written a lot in my life,
a lot of is ship that's not true. It is great.
And the best thing I've ever written was one sentence
and it was a tweet back when we had Twitter,
and it was black people loved Tam and Paula because
they do. They do. You're not in your head, I

(57:28):
see you. There's something about I like one of my
favorite I guess like outgrowths of like the racialization of
pop music is the way that like white pop producers
end up like ventriloquizing what they think black music sounds,
like like Max Martin, I think is like a really

(57:51):
great exact. Yeah, Diplo is like a little he's like
on the more evil side of but this idea, yeah
that like you know, in the late or like the
twentieth century, like blackness becomes lingua franca, and people in Sweden,
people in Perth, Australia feel like a proximity to it.

(58:13):
It's like sound and then they reinterpret it and I
don't I'm not talking about appropriation. I'm just talking about
like this kind of process. And Tame and Paula is
such a like great commercial example of that because it's
like funk music. Yeah, but it's so easy listening and
you just can't help but submit to it, and black

(58:33):
people love love it. It's just such a thing.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Is Australian? Are they Are they American? I think they are.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
Kevin Parker Australian is Australian.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Okay, Okay. I once saw them on Halloween and they
were all dressed like the Spice Girls for Halloween while
they were on Story. Really it was really special.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
Wow, that's so beautiful. I would have cried.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Well in the in the spirit of Lis this past word.
We think Tama Paula is.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
Now TAM and Paula is at TAM and Paula is
coming back from targeting. Yeah, I agree, taking a long time.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
It's a long check out, it's a long journey.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
He's forgetting something, goes back.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
To Target. Lady is like tapping him on the shoulder.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
I mean literally, that's like, that's like he did the
Gaga song a few years ago. He's Target.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Do you think men are afforded more leeway in terms
of visiting Target than women are? And of course I'm
thinking of Liz Fair and Jewel. I was women who
like tried to visit Target and people were like, you
are that sign love? And I also love the list
Fair pop record. Yeah yeah, anyway, but it's like when

(59:53):
they did that, I mean quite literally, Pitchfork gave the
list Fair Amaze zero and then she was black listed. Right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
I think I think that that was the case for
like jen X, and now we're like over correcting for it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Yes, totally, do you know what I mean? We're like
that was Pitchfork's target. Well exactly, how Pitchfork again, all
my love to everyone we know that rants for Pitchfork.
But Pitchfork being like announcement we're giving all Taylor Swift
albums ten point zero starting today, You're just like.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
Okay, exactly. And you know there's people talk about poptimism
and all these things, but fundamentally, it's like music should
be like a little difficult to listen.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
To, almost like all art.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
You shouldn't be able. It's just like, I don't know,
even when Cowboy Carter came out last year, people were
we're saying in the same breath that it was an
album that was like questioning this genre, questioning the way
that it doesn't attend to the black roots of like
roots music, folk music, all this stuff is doing all
that stuff, and yet you can play its song and

(01:01:10):
target and no one flinches. You know. It's like, how
can it both be like radical and subversive but also
just like so like pleasing, Like there's like a solicitous quality.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
It's the question I've never understood. There's like a bit
because there is like that's like sort of gay credit
card commercials. It's like people are like, we need this,
and it's like but we also hate this, And I'm like,
which is it?

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Is this good or bad?

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Yeah, here's a question. Lizzo was just Liza herself was
just on SNL. She's debuting a new era. Do we
think Lizzo is going to leave Target?

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
I think it's like it's like a Black Mirror episode,
like you remember the one where they were in a
snow globe, Like Lizzo thinks she's on Earth, but that's
that's where she is.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
When I see Lizo's past, I see her like in
the wall like Han Solo, almost like she is just
like she is frozen in Target.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
Yeah, and there's something about it that I find with
her particularly, it's like kind of heartbreaking.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Of course, she's so talented.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
She's so talented you can't not give her.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
It's so charismatic. I actually love Lesso.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
And there was a moment where it was like that
was the reaction that you had to it. Yeah, but
I don't know for someone who seemed like she had
such a defined sense of self, she like really disintegrated
once she like reached a service. And I think maybe
you're seeing that with a Chapel too.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
It's true where it's just.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Like you actually for you cannot like stabilize in this moment,
and so then you just like go down the kind
of like easy route of wearing a T shirt on
s and that says terrified on it?

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Right? Is that what I didn't see this? Oh that's
what she did? She did that she did?

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Oh god, Well, I'm praying for Chapel. I hope she
survives the past. And yeah, I hope she breaks free
of the wall that she's frozen in. That's right in
Liso's Pass. Someone I need to work with an artist
who can sort of mock up what's past. I see
it so clearly.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
T shirt that says I Survived's like there's two I
chose pitchfork, I chose target. There's a way. The way
that lists pass is a geographic location. I need someone
to three D under it for me.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Oh gosh, what is it passing over?

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Well, there's there's a big cliff.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
Yeah, and so I think the cliff might honestly be targeted.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
It's like you don't, you've kind of fall Oh and
they're not careful enough.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
Yeah, yeah, because you have to. It's like a winding
little pass.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
I really am fascinated by your point that you can
choose pitchfork but have your audience project target. In a
Joan Didion esquay, I would almost say, back to the
Sally Rouding conversation, a version of that happened with her,
Like I actually think she has not changed her writing,
like she has always been like this, Who I am
this when I'm interested in these are my politics. This

(01:04:30):
is what I'm interested in my characters doing. Like there's no,
it's not like she in any way sold out. But
then at some point, because she got so popular, people
were like target target bitch, Oh my god, I get it. Yeah,
she became the New Yorker tote.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Whoa.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
Now that's that's a really grotesque image. I'm very interested
in that. Like Sally Ronnie just hanging around.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Because it became status to have the book and to like,
you know her, it was like shorthand and it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
It seemed and continues to seem. You know, she's publishing
in the Guardian like long essays about you know, like
why it's essential to be a public intellectual who speaks
about what's happening in palestime and DNA side. And yet
her publishing company is like throwing book parties where like

(01:05:20):
everything is decked out in the intermezzo, checkboard.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Don't talk.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
Yeah, and she just seems so uninterested in that, and
it's incredible. I mean that's kind of the dream you
just in Ireland with your husband writing these books that
I think maintain their integrity and people can do whatever,
you know, like the author's dead, they do whatever they
want with it stateside, and you're just like to do
your thing because.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
It's literally like you being It's like you are at
a protest and the target offices are producing tote bags
with your face on them. There is a polgram of you.
There's a target that is crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
It's really fascinating. And also I want to emphasize too,
Like you know, there are some debates that people have
around Sally Rooney where they're like, oh, is she like
chick lit? Offer like are we actually like misunderstanding the
genre that she's writing in because we want to like,
you know, sort of project these like like higher culture
ideals onto her, which I also think is mistaken because

(01:06:24):
you can write about romance and relationships and not have
to like denigrate it as I don't as chick lit,
you know what I mean? Like, I think that her
interaction with them like shouldn't be seen through whether or
not we think her literature is high.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
Yeah, there's so much of a conversation around Rooney is like,
is this real literature?

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Don't you think? That goes back to your point about
cowboy Carter and how how can something be both high art,
radical whatever and also go down so easy?

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
Right, there's something of it, and I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
What the answer is either what if I did? Yeah,
that would be awesome. Wow, this has been. I'm impressed.
My brain is on a treadmill.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
I feel like whenever we start this podcast, I'm like,
what the hell are we going to talk about?

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
To that?

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
I was so nervous. I just wanted to say studying
up last night.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Yeah, you get the first ever Straighter Lab Award for excellence. Yeah,
my excellent and audio storytelling. Yeah, this has been.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
I feel like I've engaged in a higher way than normal.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Yeah. I hope that this episode is sort of like
the normal people of podcast episode, and that it is
so sophisticated and intellectual, and yet it goes down soon
and people are listening to it not on speakers, on
headphones on the subway, and they're having a debate about
whether they're having a debate whether about whether we have
at Lizzo's Paths, have chosen Target or Pitchfork.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
Yeah, yeah, I love it when you get meta.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Can't help ourselves sometimes it's true, it's a disease. Should
we do our final segment? Yeah, I mean it pains
me to say, but we have to. I think we
have to.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
So our final segment is called shout Outs, and in
this segment we pay homage to the grand straight tradition
of the radio shout out, shouting out to anything, people, places, things,
ideas that we are enjoying. And I'm gonna I have one.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
It's always we always think of them on the spot. Yeah,
I currently don't have one.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
Yeah, and I okay, I'm gonna start, Okay, and I'm
gonna start.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
I'm going to put the bar low.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Okay, what's up freak closers and perverts around the globe.
I haven't done this yet, right, I want to give
a shout out to the book on everybody's lips, that's
right rejection. Everyone's been talking about it, and I'm already
late to the game. But I just finished it and
I was like, damn, everybody was kind of right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
I was so blown away by how.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
Cynical, uh, internety sort of there was a meanness to
it that I really really love. It hit all my
most evil parts of myself, and I said thank you,
because it really was like, Oh, if you think you're
pushing for far, you can always push a little further
and be a little bit even more. It felt like

(01:09:18):
I kept saying, this is a spicy little book, and
I think everyone should read it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
If you've spent any.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
Time on the internet, you'll get a kick out of it.
I love when there's a book du jour that everyone's
kind of doing at the same time, and I say,
sey love, Wow, that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
Was really great. I could hear the radio horns in
the background.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Oh okay, okay, okay, you know I'm going to go book,
but I'm going to go show the opposite direction. What's up,
freaks the losers. I want to give a shout out
to the audio book of the Facebook whistleblower Sarah Wynn Williams.
Careless people. You heard about this, folks. This woman worked

(01:10:01):
at Facebook and now has published a book, and it
is about how Facebook is evil. But what's most amazing
about it is the inside story she has about Mark
Zuckerberg and Cheryl Schamberg, including one story where Cheryl is
offended that the Japanese Prime Minister doesn't want to take
a photo holding lean In the book, I sort of
like started this book being like, Oh, she's gonna tell

(01:10:22):
it like it is, and it's gonna be so whistleblowery,
And in fact it's just a series of funny stories
and she has a New Zealand accent, and I'm listening
to it while you know, cooking dinner or something, and
it's just so fun to hear this sort of like
funny Kiwi woman be dragging Mark Zuckerberg and Cheryl Sammer.
There was just a story about how everyone was letting
Mark Zuckerberg win at Settlers with Katan, and then she,

(01:10:44):
in her telling, was like you're all letting him wan
and then and then then she's like awkward silence, and
it's this very sort of like she's adopting this voice
as though she's completely naive and at every point is
shocked by everything happening around her. And at first it's great,
but then you're like, you know, what, go off? We're
living the naive times and it's about time someone wrote

(01:11:04):
a book as though they were twelve years old. That's owazing.
Shout out to Sarah win Williams. I highly recommend the
audiobook because she does read it herself, and I cannot
wait to get back to it tonight while I'm making
my amazing chicken thighs?

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
Are they marinating?

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
You met there?

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
Okay? What's up, y'all? How you doing? It was nice
being with you today. I'm gonna give a shout out
to Todd Haynes. I love Todd Haynes. I feel like
I'm always like where he is. But for some reason,
I'd never seen Mildred Peers and I had recently. Okay,
all right, So you know, Todd Haynes is really famous

(01:11:50):
for kind of like reinterpreting the dicta of fifties filmmaking
the kind of woman's picture and putting it through this
like different I think, like gay your more intellectual filter.
And Mildred Pears, which he remade in a nineteen forties film.
The film had been made in the nineteen forties. He

(01:12:10):
did this as like a it's technically a mini series,
but it's really just like a four hour film starring
Evan rachel Wood and Kate Winsley. Came out like twelve
years ago. I don't know why I had this blind spot,
but recently I had like some hours to kill and
I just sat and watched it. And it is one
of the most interesting, grotesque, emotionally honest views on motherhood

(01:12:38):
I think I've ever seen. So it's about this woman
who is separating from her husband in the fifties and
is entering the workforce, and she does work. She opens
a restaurant at her daughter, who's very much like a
she she threw through kind of girl looks down on
and their relationship just like both blossoms and also like

(01:13:04):
hurdles and it ends. I don't want to give give
away that, but I don't know. It's just kind of
like we still don't know how to deal with motherhood.
I think in film in particular, like we don't know
whether we should choose like the sacrificial mother who just
like gives up her life for the benefit of the child,

(01:13:24):
or the selfish mother, or then you know, the indifferent mother,
and this it just like blew my mind and so
sorry I forgot the radio voice.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
Okay, we'll still put silly music behind it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
Perfect. I just would encourage everyone to watch or rewatch.
Todd Haynes Mildred Peers.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
I'm convinced. This is how I feel about the film
kind of Pregnant starring Amy Schumer. No, it has been.
It has been recommended to me so many times, and
I am actually I think in terms of non television work,
I do think I'm a Todd Haynes's completest. But I've
never I've never pressed planned military.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
Well, that's what's really interesting about It's kind of like
in this limbo because it's like Todd Hans is doing HBO.
You know, there was a lot of reaction to it
twelve years ago, but for me, I think it might
be my favorite. Hand WHOA over Safe?

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
That's really okay, Well I'm gonna watch this.

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
Can you put like a like a flash bombs sound?

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
Yeah? Yeah. Also, don't you feel like Safe is almost
at the point where people are projecting target onto it.
It has become too I think popular. It's like everyone's favorite,
like everyone's like out of the box favorite movies.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
Yeah, have you seen safe?

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
Don't you think? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
Huh, that's scary when that happens, I know, and yet
it's so good.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
Well. Oh, this has been an amazing episode of Absolute Heaven.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
Thanks so much for doing the things so much fun.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
Lease go to the New Yorker dot com slash streams.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
Phill Oh is that how it works?

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
I don't know. Do you have anything else you want
to promote other than New Yorker dot com?

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
Do I want it? Like peace, love and happiness?

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
Yes, peace as well?

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
I don't. I don't promote yeah, no, no.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Do you want to give a shout out to Durian's
review of you Sexua because where a fellow stands? Yes,
and twig is someone who chose Pitchfork firmly, firmly hardcore.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
Yeah, she had no trouble dancing along now and no
one's projecting target.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
No, she can do as many Google pick slabs as
she wants. Okay, that was amazing. Okay, bye bye podcast
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Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
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Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
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Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
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Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
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Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
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Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
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Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
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Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
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