"Toupées" w/ Josh Gondelman

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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hello, listeners, this is George. I'm reporting to you live
from a closet in my bedroom in a fire Island house,
and I just had to get on Mike to say
that between this episode and next episode, there will be
four live shows. We're going to Philly, DC, Boston, and
Toronto and they are literally all about to sell out.

(00:41):
I am seeing two more tickets in Philly, twelve more
tickets in Boston. I don't have the other numbers in
front of me, but I promise they are dire and
we would love to see all of you there. We
would love to sell these shows out. We've been having
such a good time on tour and we can't wait
to see you. So if you want to buy tickets,
please go to linktree dot com, slash straight Up Lab
and again. In the next week, we're going to Philly, DC, Boston,

(01:05):
and Toronto. See you soon and enjoy the episode.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Podcast starts now. What is up everyone around the globe?
You are listening to Stradio Lab and I am readjusting
as I speak.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Wow. Wow, how's it going over there, Chica?

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Oh my god, it's amazing to be back in Los Angeles, California.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
I want to say Something amazing about this month is
that we are on tour and constantly traveling to cities
together and then going to separate cities to record our podcast.
So we are constantly quite literally constantly in planes, trains,
venues together, and then we say, okay, time to do
the thing where we have a conversation. Let's make it
as inconvenient for everyone as possible by going to opposite

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coasts and having a sort of kind of tangled web
of cables, iPads and cameras on two different studios, and
then also ignoring a guest that is sitting next to
us in one of the two cities.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
It's been very, very complex, of course, to be doing this,
and you know, speaking of what an amazing point, George,
please come see us on tour where we will be
in the same room actually, which is so groundbreaking.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
The same room and often on the same stage, but
not the whole time, because I have to say, you know,
we should maybe very briefly check in after our first show.
This is the first time we've ever done a stand
up show together. This is not pretty much we're against
podcasting as an art form and we're only doing it
for the money, which is a lot and so when

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so now when we're going live, we're not even doing
a slide show. It's we're going back to basics. Well, actually,
I'm in it. I have never fetishized stand up more
in my life.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
I'm glad. I mean, I have to be honest to
the listeners. And you said, should we do a side show?
And I said, I really think we need to set
the audience up to be ready for us to be
as raw and real as possible. If we give them
a slide show up top, they're going to be expecting
bells and whistles throughout.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
I also want to say, you know, people forget doing
a slideshow.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Used to be.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Really looked down upon, Like if you were like if
you were a comic, like at the cellar or whatever,
and you saw someone do a slide show, you'd be like,
what the fuck is this? Like this, you are literally
taking a shortcut. And I used to feel that way
as well, because of course I came up in Boss,
then one of the most traditional scenes you can come
up in, and then of course I went to Brooklyn
and something. People doing characters, wigs, costumes, slide shows, videos,

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even reading tweets out loud. It was at some point
no longer a bad thing to do. But I'm saying
we're going back to twenty twelve.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
I think the edgy thing now is to have your
notebook on stage.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Well, one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
I think it's edgy to be like, God, it's just
fucking me and my thoughts.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yeah, and so that's really really what we're doing. At
one point, just to be clear for anyone wondering what
to expect on the story, at one point we were
both on stage with individual notebooks. So we're having a
conversation while looking at our notebooks. And when I tell you,
people were laughing the whole time. Sorry. Would they have
been laughing if I didn't have my notebook? I don't know.
Maybe I would have cracked under the pressure.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
I'm not sure. I do also want to say, do
we want to talk about the incident here? Oh?

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Well, I do want to bring in our guests? Okay,
do you want to of course, sort of introduce the
incident and then bring in our guest.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
So we had an amazing incident where as many people know,
we are a trusted news source. To some we actually
did post a video with the wrong information about our show,
and then reposted it as many times as we possibly could,
so we said it all start time.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
Yes, we said the show started eight, and in fact
it started at seven fifteen. And so what happened was
some people actually went off of the information in the
video and not on the website where they bought the tickets,
which not to victim blame is an insane thing to do.
But of course obviously we take full accountability while also
blaming the other people. And it's sometimes you can do that.

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Sometimes it can can be both. You can make accountability
and also be like.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Guys, come on, yeah, it's like, I'm sorry that you're weird. Like,
I think that's sort of wary.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
The way that you made your plans on your calendar
is by replaying the video and being like, what time
did they say? Instead of looking at the email said
what time the shows? And again I take full accountability,
and it was literally my and I specifically, it's not Sam.
I put it there because I actually confused it with
a different show I had in New York, and I
put eight pm there. But I'm assuming people have media
literacy and are going to fact check.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Eight pm is a placeholder for time. It's showtime time
to start at showtime.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
By the way, you know what is in a showtime?
And I say this with all my love toward Chicago
Venue seven fifteen, seven to fifteen.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
See, I think that's such a good point. If I
see the words show starts at teun fifteen, I read
that and I say they mean eight. Yeah, like they
mean eight, And that's like it says like a rve
at like seven point thirty, right, So that's how I
would read that.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
So just to repeat, we do take full accountability.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
It's just not our fault.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
But also the show was sort of at eight in
the sense that it ended up starting at seven thirty.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah, so that was pretty crazy.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
I do think we need to bring in our guest.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
I think that's an amazing idea.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Now our guest. You know, this is sort of an
og This is someone we had on in a very
early like pandemic Zoom episode that is actually illegal to
re listen to because we can't ever know what our
behavior and our even our political views were like at
the time. But we are so excited at hav him
back in studio in the most amazing sort of try

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for iPad based format, iPad based recording format, Please give
it up for Josh Gondleman.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Thank you so much for having me here. It's such
a pleasure to return to be in person of the
George and to gaze upon you Sam on an iPad.
We're watching like your dead, and you've left us a
message to like low to proceed with your estate.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
There's even something about my outfit today. It's giving like
I'm trying to look clean for the video, but not
like too formal to imply death like I was happy.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Are you wearing a would you call that a butter
yellow polo?

Speaker 2 (07:11):
I'm getting nods in the studio that it is in
fact butter yellow.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
And as you made the nods, you were so confused
when when.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Asked, you know, colors are tough for me.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
Really you don't think color should also be foods.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
I don't think color should be foods. First of all,
let's start here. I'm colored deficient. You know this, so shades?

Speaker 1 (07:30):
I actually didn't know that you didn't know this?

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Have you been redended with Matt about this? No, we
get I'm red, green, color defficient. Okay, it doesn't affect much,
but the certain shades I never trust that I know
what shade something is Oh, that's sorry.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
I'm actually having a really difficult time processing the fact
that I didn't know that, despite the fact that I've
probably spoken to you more than any other person on
this planet.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Well, I can see colors. I can see a lot
of colors.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Well, thank so You're not like a dog.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
I'm not a dog or a baby or color color
color blind at all, but certain shades. I don't trust myself.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
So if I were to tell you what color is
your shirt without having heard me already correctly say it's
butter yellow, what would your mind go to?

Speaker 2 (08:23):
I would have said yellow? Okay, Okay, that's what I mean.
Like I would have rounded up. Like it's when people
try to get too specific with it where I'm like, well,
I'm not I don't know about all this butter and yellow.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
If I were to tell you is if dark yellow
or light yellow? Would you be able to say light yellow?

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Okay? So, Josh, I want to say something, which is
the day that we the day that we started the
process of booking on this podcast, I said, can't wait
to have Josh Shawn he's promoting any special Like, I'm
so excited to help out a fellow friend and of
course Boston comedian. I said, you know, he's going to

(08:55):
need all the help he can get. Then I turned
on the television and Gail King is interviewing, and so
what's the deal with that?

Speaker 3 (09:02):
If I had known that it would have been a conflict,
I would have told her now like Gail, sorry, we can't.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Talk her going to space sponsored by Amazon.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
I just her, but others I don't think she'd have gone,
including the real astronom.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
I actually agree.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
I think if it had just been Gail, it would
not have been that controversial.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
I think Katie Perry singing really kept it was. She's
singing what a wonderful world.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yes, and she also brought a daisy with her favorite
flower in the name of her daughter. And she debuted
the set list of her tour.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yeah, she just held it up out the window.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Literally.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Yes, anybody from another planet wants to come see me
on tour.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
She's like, I need the ticket sales are not good, y'all,
Like I need if any Martians or Aliens are out there,
I will be at an Arizona on August fifteenth.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Josh, why were you being interviewed by Gail?

Speaker 3 (09:56):
They brought me on to talk about the special, which
was very funny. Gail backstage was extremely lovely and very engaged,
but she kept asking me which of the jokes were true.
She could be like, this joke loved it, Is that true?
And I was like, and she'd be like, I like
this one. Is that one true? And I'd be like, huh,

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go like and then she said, this was so funny.
And I don't know if she says this to every
guest or just me. She goes, she came over to
talk to me in the middle of the taping before
my segment, and they're they're kind of pulling, Yeah, we
gotta get you back back to set, and she's going, okay, okay,
and then she goes, Josh, you think he's what you're
being here.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
We're having this would be so fun. We're having a
great show. Don't fuck it up?

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Really?

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah? Oh wow, Yeah, it's fun.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
I could tell she has some edge, which I love.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
That always makes me feel that might be the Boston
and she.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Did that also because you're a comedian, I feel I
think that's yeah, she probably does that to no offense
all comedians.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
All comedians.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
No serious, Yeah, no, she's not doing that, although that
would be honestly really funny. If Gail, well, I have to.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
My question is how Paul inspired is that? Like? Was
she like, oh, I'm going to start doing that.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Right right right, because that's part of the show.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
It's not the show, not for go king. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
And she also said I believe gentlemen start your engines
and made the woman win.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
That's that correct.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
And I was like, I don't see a chance. Who
were the other guests the day you were on?

Speaker 3 (11:22):
There was an I don't remember because you're never like together.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
I didn't even meet them. One was like an author
of a romance novel.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
Okay, yeah, And I like, really they kept me on
for like another digital only segment where I was just
really I was just shouting like, uh, unionize the robots
and like all sorts.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Of like how Bezos was listening? I hope, So get Gail,
get the message across. Get it yehace guy.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Where any of your jokes? Alie?

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (11:49):
I changed, Like was she right like about any of them?

Speaker 3 (11:54):
I changed the nickname. She wasn't saying. She wasn't like
growing me. She was like, this isn't true, is it you?

Speaker 2 (12:00):
She's like, I was there. I was at the airport
two weeks ago.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
The play took off on time, nobody said anything weird
over the speakers. She asked me about one story where
the it was about somebody that I know, and I said,
I changed their nickname so that it's not so that
it wouldn't be as identifiable. And she said, what was
the real nickname? And I told them, and it's kind
of like a gross I can't say because I can't

(12:24):
identify the term, but it's kind of a gross sexual thing.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
And she goes, I don't know what that means.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
And I said, Gail King, I will not tell you
what that means. I will send you an Urban Dictionary
link later. And then she was like, oh, that's glad,
he'll tell me.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
I did. Unfortunately, early on in my comedy career have
to explain to my parents what Eiffel towering was because
I used to have a joke that like referenced that
in passed here. So that was amazing.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
It is so funny too, because at that point they've
already not thought the joke was funny because they didn't
get their reference. And now you're like, well, I have
to explain the joke and like a sexual thing that
I don't want to break this news to you.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah, I just look that sound. I was like, all right,
your turn.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
It's like I'm just wondering, like, did they just like
not have a phrase for it back then or Eiffel towering? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (13:14):
Were they just not doing it when my parents were
like a back to the future, we had to go
back in time and explain Effel tower.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Really, I love the idea that the issue is that
the term is new.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah, it's like, you know, it's sort of like like
riz or something like we always have a word for
cool or charm. Oh, you know, so they had something
it was something old timy from when they would have
an Eiffel tower.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Right where they would call it like a two gentlemen salute.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, exactly exactly. The idea of Eiffel towering in that
term is misogynistic in the specifically like two thousands kind
of ways.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
It feels like when we were growing up and people
were just because I feel towering, that's a real phenomenon. Yeah,
people have sex at one time, sure, but like there
was so much stuff.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
That they would just be like, oh, it's like a
donkey punch.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
She was like, yes, the sweet Chin music and you're like,
that's a sex thing.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah. Yeah, we were trying to gamify it in a
way that I think everyone was like obviously with all projection,
but I hated that era of like coming up with
things and then retroactively trying to make them make sense.
Like basically they were like, this is a funny two words,
and then they were like and it's when you pull
on someone's hair and underwater and eating a skittle a

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wet barber.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
I actually would go so far as to say naming
sexual positions is a very straight thing, like the idea
of like, what's you like reverse cowgirl, cowgirl doggy? I
don't do you feel sam like gay? Even like even
gay sex terms, Like the idea of scissoring is like

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a fantasy that straight men came up with, regardless of
whether it's done or not, which which you know, it is,
like the idea it's like a guy was like scissoring,
like they're like scissors.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Totally totally. I find it complicated because you do need
a phrase like a quick way to be like I
think it'd be easier if you were on all fours
and I was behind you, But like I don't want
to say.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Yeah, I guess that Kama Sutra is ueer like.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
I just think the word like doggy as like we
need to we need we need your parents phrases for
these things.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
I think my parents phrases though. No, yeah, doggie to
me is Jennet, that's a classic.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yay. That one's old school.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah, No, doggie is like nineties doggie is like that's
probably a joke and like the wedding singer.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Okay, well then we need a new word for dog gy.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
I just think it's, first of all, it de eroticizes
sex so much, like to say something like a reverse cowgirl.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know we were doing like
live style. Yeah, right, exactly, you're herding cattle here, and.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Then it's like I'm a horse.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yeah. See, I almost disagree. I think the issue is
it's not like clinical enough. I want to be like, go.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
To two C like chess. You wanted to feel like chess?

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, because I want to just be like, okay, now
we're doing Star four A and then everyone knows.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
But don't you think that's to use your term sex
nerd coded sex nerd is when people are nerds about sex.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
I've heard from them about it. It is they talked
about it. Yeah, one of the worst terms.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
I mean, it could be sex nerd. The thing with
a sex nerd. I think to the full theory on
sex nerd, it's it's not just that they're a nerd
about sex, is that they're like are like, there's a
gleefulness in talking about sex in a scientific, clinical way.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
I also think sex nerds everything is play. To a
sex nerd, they wouldn't do two C star six five, yeah,
because there would everything would have a term that's like
taking something sexy and making it unseexy. Yeah, it would
be like we're doing puppy bear play.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Yeah, totally, And they'd say it. They'd say the silly
thing with the clinical voice. They'd be like, would you
be interested in doing puppy bear play? Like, yeah, totally,
and like that's where it gets gross. That's where it
gets sex nerd.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Oh, that's such a funny diagnosis of the clinical voice
and the whisical thing.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Well, god, no, it's absolutely Well. It's literally like Google
calendar alert for play seven to eight pm and then
we're watching billions.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
I'm okay, I'm sorry to be gross. Can I be
gross for a second. I mean one time this guy
was like, are you a cocksucker? And I was like,
what do you mean? Like like like he knows I'm
we're gay guys. We're talking and he's like, oh, oh,
are you a cocksucker? And it's like, you mean in
the normal way, like and it was so.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
An identity I'm not I'm not familiar.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
A sex identity that it's like, oh no, I actually
consider myself a cock soker, and like sort of what
I do as I go into these spaces and I
suck call And I was like, yeah, but that's everybody
to an extent, Like I sort of like why limit yourself?
Like why not just dream? Like go into a space
and be like what will this space provide me? Okay,
I know I have an improviser's sensibility with a lot

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of things. No, this is this is you're actually so right.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
And this is literally a symptom of like grinder culture.
It is a symptom of like what do Here's what
I'm offering, here's what you can offer, Let's make it work.
Oh that doesn't match. I'm going to the next person.
Like none of the you know, in old fashioned cruising,
there was a joy de vive. You would like sort
of like see what you could get and like make
the most of it.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
And it feels like there are people who are interested
in different things at different times, but like that one
feels so standard.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
That's it's almost like he was like, hey, do you fuck?

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Are you interested in sexual intercourse? I guess I think
that's I thought that was the whole thing we were doing.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Here, right. It's also it also so then almost like
what's the word makes uh makes complicated something that's very routine.
So it'll be like I'm actually into first making out,
then doing for play, and then potentially penetration. You're like, right,
so what they would do in like a movie, like
what they would do like in a sort of like
standard porn.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Are you right?

Speaker 3 (19:19):
You they've gone so far around with like codifying sex. Yea,
that they've reinvented.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
First base, right, literally, maybe we could start with cuddling.
It's like, yeah, I was planning on doing that.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Do you have people to just go zero to eighty men?

Speaker 4 (19:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah, well well yes to answer, well.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Yes, no they do, they're doing it.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
That's fair. Well, that was weird. I'm glad we talked
about that. I guess.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
It's sort of like the intimacy coordinatorification of.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
All whoa, whoa, that's so good. That's really good.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
I mean, and of course it's a slippery slope. I
don't want to be against intimacy coordinators, but you know,
take a plunge.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Be more like the cast of Anora on the side.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Exactly exactly, yes, I yeah. It's also it like makes
you have like the identification of like cocksucker, then makes
people who are normal right out like who just suck dick?
It's like, oh, well you don't count And I was like,
well it still counts. It's like, no you have. It's

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like where's your degree? Like there was something like I
hate it whatever, like a merit bagification.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Yeah, exactly wow.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
And it also cuts off future possibilities, right if it's
identity based, it's like, actually, anything could happen. You don't
know what I'm going to be like in five years.
Could I could be happily married to a woman with
three kids?

Speaker 2 (20:51):
In five years I would be interested in participating in
put Bear play with you.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, I'm going to be married to a woman three kids.
But I'm also gonna be like I actually identify as
a cockshucker.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Let's get it on the calendar. Calendar. Huh huh. I'm
really having trouble transitioning out of this line of thinking.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Your first segment, that's such a good idea, Josh. As
you know, our first segment is called straight Shooters, and
in this segment, we gauge your familiarity with in complicity
and straight culture by asking you a series of rapid
fire questions where you have to choose one thing or

(21:33):
another thing. And the one rule is you can't ask
any follow up questions about how the game works.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
I would never ask a question as a straight man.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
I would never ask.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
Oh, it's sometimes even worse if you do it as
a lesbian. Okay, let's see Josh peanut butter and jelly
or being utterly smelly.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
Wait, am I I.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Whoa taint?

Speaker 1 (22:00):
No butter and jelly?

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Okay, Josh, Betty Davis eyes or shiny Gammi eyes.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
Betty Davis eyes, Okay, Carrie, Carrie Bradshop or Harry Back Sure.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Carry Bradshop for sure. I've never been more confident of
anything in my life. Okay, progressive politics or ingested olive
pits ingested all of pits.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
Shopping at a restoration hardware or watching an adaptation of
Jane Air. Oh oh it's a draw, Yeah for sure.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Okay, cross your t's and dot your eyes or std
slash STIs.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
I'm crossing in dotton, breaking your wordle streak or shaking
because you're meek?

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Oh breaking wordles streak?

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Okay? The bling ring or the sting sing.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
Sting sing, I guess I guess sting sing?

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Oh like the artists sting the artist. Okay, I was
a picture of your capitol last.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Night I was.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
I was like, is this a phrase I haven't heard of? Also,
the sting sing is such a fascinating way to phrase that.
It's playing with parts of speech in a really interesting way.
It's like, it's not the sting song or sing Sing's
the sting sing sing?

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Okay, which pect sense to me?

Speaker 3 (23:32):
That's the movie where Sting Uh It's it was shot
in a prison, correct Common Domingo plays Sting.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Colemon Domingo plays Sting and the rest of the actors
are actually all former inmates, and it's about Sting's relationship
with Trudy.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
And I think not only is it good, it's important
and the security guards are played by the other members
of the police.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah, and it's actually a shame it wasn't nominated Frostcars.
And it actually really points to a dark future for film,
cinema and politics, speaking of which a man made disaster
or a film by ari astor ariastor period period. Sam,
do you have one more?

Speaker 2 (24:12):
No, that's all of mine. Did I do five by accident?
I think you did five by accident. Sorry, don't apologize.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
I mean, I'm gonna be honest. It's because we had that.
That doesn't matter. We had written more for the next episode.
I just kept going. So anyway, Josh, we rank each
guest performance on a scale of zero to one thousand doves.
It is named after the Lady Gaga song one thousand Doves,
which is not a big hit. It just on one
of our albums.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
But people have yelled at us for calling it a
B side. I must say, oh, is that true? Yeah,
someone was in our comments saying stop saying one thousand
dosar is a B side. It's an album track. It's
not a B side.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Okay, I'm sorry. First of all, calling something a B
side doesn't mean it's literally a B side. This is
in the nineteen seventies. It means it's like not a
single and it's sort of like a secondary track.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
Which I agree, is this is not a motown?

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Yes on a forty five, right exactly, Like, no, I
know it's not literally a B side.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
No, I agree. It felt crazy.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
So they're like they're saying, like the sanctity of B
side versus deep cut is like very right, exactly.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
I guess it is a deep I guess it is
a deep cut. We can call it, we can call
it a B side. I'm actually not going to be
bullied insion.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
I don't think you should know yourself people.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah, okay, so go ahead, Sam Well.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
And then I was gonna say, and I think we
should call somethings EPs they're too short.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
I agree, I do agree with that.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Sometimes if it's too short, you can't count it as
an LP, right, even if they define it as like
their album. I'm like, that's really yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
So would you call it the Pink Panthers album and EP?

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah? I would. It's it's a great EP, of course,
come on, it's what twenty two minutes?

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Come on?

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah, what are we doing here? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (25:50):
This is a British song stress that we like and
do you know are you aware of her?

Speaker 4 (25:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah, okay, wow, that was actually very sort of like
heterophobic what I just did, like immediately started Yeah, I
don't know. I'm like, oh, sweetie, like I can explain.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
So what would what score would you give? Josh? Well,
the questions were honestly offensive, considering.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Well there was only one question.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
One questions all it takes.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
That's true dually, But said that, do you know her
the podcaster?

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yeah, and letter writer and investigative journalist.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
She has a book club. Yeah yeah, she has the
book club. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, So I think, you know,
asking a question was downright offensive, and but I do
think you had such a joy while playing doing the segment.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
There was such a sense of play that this was
in my calendar.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
That's right. Yeah. Literally, I'm going to go ahead and
say eight hundred and twenty dubs.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
And I have to agree I would say something interesting.
You know when you did ask a question, Yeah, and
I tried to cut you off, you actually kept asking
the question in a way that I found very interest
I because you know the I think you could tell
that the bit is like we yell at your question.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
But you really kept go.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
You're like, no, I have a question, and it's rare
that I it's rare that you're sort of like, you know,
for lack of a better term, toxic mexiculinity comes out.
You're famously, you know, a nice guy. That's what the
trades tell me constantly every single day. And so it
was fascinating how you were like, this is where I
draw the line. I need to know the rules.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Well, I get very disoriented. You don't know the rules,
and I was just like, you know what, I think.
I just am going with my heart.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
It also is like speaking of you know, comedy rules
and purists stand up and whatever. I think the way
people react to the game is a signifier of like
their approach to comedy. And I am like you where
I need to know the rules and I'm like great,
So the way the good comedy works, you work within
certain rules and you push just far enough that something

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is surprising.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Right, but it's not like to me and this gay
I when I realized what was happening, I was like, oh, okay,
those are the rules exactly, and it was like, yeah,
but I do When someone is like, oh, it could
be anything, I'm like well, it's gonna be the one
thing I came planning to do that.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Josh is the nice guy thing ever gets suffocating for you?
Are you real like I'm bad too? My wife put
that in her wedding.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Vats really is also not nice, And that's the funnest
when he just is like an asshole the people, and
I'm like, yeah, I guess I do, but it is
I think it's nice to have any reputation at all.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
That's an interesting point, and it's a sort it's a
branding exercise for you. You're saying, it's.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Nice that people seem to get what I'm about generally,
even if hens the nuance.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Do you worry about sort of the Ellen effect, the
Falon and the Falon effect, you know, the nicer you
are publicly, the mean or you're gonna get behind the scenes.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
I don't think Falon's issues that he's mean, but but.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Go ahead, I don't.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
I do worry that because people, because I have a
certain reputation, if I'm like a little prickly, yes, it
will come off much harsher than like. There are certain
people I imagine who we all know. I'm not thinking
of anyone specific, but who can walk into a room
and be like, hey, give me that fucking coffee and
everyone's like, oh, thank god he didn't hit me today
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Totally, Hi, we all think you the same person.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
No, I actually think that because I'm such a sh
or I spent my twenties being such a huge bitch.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
People really take it.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Seriously when I like something like when I'm like I
really enjoyed this movie, yeah, people like wow, George, like
they're discerning. Yeah, well, I mean, I'm thank you for
saying that, and I think my best. Maybe I am,
but also like, I've just spent so much of my
again twenties just like being thinking that it was a
kind of intelligence to constantly hate everything. Sure, and so

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people and I people started prefacing things with like you'll
probably hate this, but blah blah blah, or like, you know,
I want to see this movie. Do you like, would
you ever do that? Dane? To do that?

Speaker 2 (30:03):
This is pretty stupid, But do you guys want to
get dinners this next? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Totally totally exactly, Josh.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
When was the last time you were like a huge
bitch to somebody? Oh?

Speaker 3 (30:14):
Man, it comes out when I traveled too, where I'll
just like and my big problem is because I'm from Massachusetts,
I think I'm like making a big show of my feelings,
and even people close to me will be I'll go like, God,
I was so mad, I like really blew up in
the person. Like that is not how anyone perceived that.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Totally.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, they will think you just inhaled sharply and then
were polite.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
I mean, I will say there is uh, okay, I'm
gonna anonymize this. There is one person in comedy that
everyone hates. And one time someone told me someone was like,
even Josh doesn't like that. WHOA.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
I wish I could know who it is.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
So when you're thinking of okay, okay, cool anyway, so.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Josh, sorry, As one more thing, uh huh do you
ever okay? Meta? Meta? Are you ever like? Okay? Why
does everyone keep asking me about nice guy persona? Like
do you get asked that all the time? And you're
sick of this? Like in interviews pretty regularly?

Speaker 3 (31:13):
And I don't, I like, I truly, I like, I
don't mind that people think that about me, but it
does like I do have the opposite thing of you,
where if I'm like if I make fun of something gently.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Some would be like, wow, you really hate that?

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeah, yeah, I thought we could like make fun of
stuff because we're community.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah, we're having a conversation. Yeah, and I'm being charming.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
That's right, I'm I'm being I'm having a good time.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yeah, but thank you for asking.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
I will never forget. You know what really stuck with
me Sam when we had oughts to go on and
she was like when I she was like, when I
do comedy, I talk about things I like, not things
I dislike. And I was like what. I was like,
excuse me, that is not what we're here to do.
Like I was just like, that's your guiding principle. Really
like shifted something within me. I was like, that's an

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interesting challenge.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
Yeah, it is, and it's harder, I think in general, Yeah,
to get over with that because it's so people are
so used to comedy. That's like someone's like that glass
of water that fucking sucks, and everyone's like, yeah, it does,
even if.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
It's totally totally totally it also, and it pains me
to admit this because I love reading like a negative review.
I love reading a pan like I love reading like
a negative book review or something However, it simply must
be said that it is actually more difficult to write
a positive assessment sure than a negative.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
And I will also say you can write a negative
review about almost anything, even if it's great, Like there
are so many great things that you can find one
little thread to like pull the whole thing apart. And
and it's so much harder to build up a positive
review and like make the case other.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Than just being like, oh, it's good exactly because actually,
like you sound kind of dumb when you like something. Yeah,
so you have to really really add to it to
actually make the positive opinion like worthwhile in any way totally.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Well, it's also hard to make something positive feel larger,
like you are kind of reaching when you're like, well,
they're commenting on our state of overly like stimulated, and
it's like, I think you just kind of liked the beat,
Like I think it like has an interesting like texture
to it. Yeah, Like it's not always like needing this

(33:32):
grand meaning. And I think people sound stupid when they're
trying to praise something because they're trying to make it
seem more important than it is.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yeah, And it's also like, okay, when you're praising something
for succeeding and what it's set out to do, you
are simply restating what it's set out to do.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
So, if the movie is like a commentary on our
information age, and then your review is like it succeeds
it being a commentary on our information age, Actually I
could have just watched the movie and told you that, right.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Whereas if it.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Fails and you're explaining why it failed, you in fact
are adding something to the conversation.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Right, it's explained why it succeeded, you're just like it
succeeded because it did it.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Yeah, damn, that's so true.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
But also what you're saying about like picking small things
that make something sound bad, It's like I used to
think that was so badass, and I'm now like when
I read a book review and it's like intentionally choosing
lines that like look stupid, I'm like, Okay, what was
the context?

Speaker 3 (34:32):
Yeah, it's like I don't know. Show me a picture
of one of my balls and I'll be like, yea,
I guess I look like an idiot made one ball.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Josh, have you seen his one ball that is not
a full pay You took one ball out of context?
In the Mariner's Apartment complex.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Thank you for that. Thank Wow. Should we get into
our topic.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
I do want to go back to ball at some
point because I actually think that's genius. It's like literally
a review of a person and being like, but what
about look at it's just one ball.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
That long toenail. Yeah, and more than my one long total.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Right right? But you know what, some people are actually
defined by the one long toenail, which is it? And
that's actually the discernment you have to have as a critic. Okay,
It's like you, a good critic won't pick the one
ball to criticize you. They will actually pick something negative
about you that is like emblematic or your larger by

(35:27):
larger failure.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Right right, absolutely, And that's that's my back totally.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah. And I was gonna say it.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Like weirdly sweat sweaty get different amounts in different parts
of the back.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Now, that's that's criticism, which mine wouldn't be.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Well. I actually thought it was interesting that you brought
up like the one weird toenail because I was looking
at my feet recently and I was like, I'm so
glad the beauty standards are about face face you know,
body hair and not like feet. If we lead with
our feet and people were like looking at your feet,
I would be like the ugliest person on earth. Unfortunately, Yeah,
I say it to silence.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
I'm sorry. I was trying to like, I was trying
to remember, like I've been in beach environments with you,
I've never I actually I do. I'm someone who would
notice like they're crazy never feet. Okay, there's standard feet.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
There's standard feet. There's just like there's no like beauty
to them. And I think some people actually do have
some beauty in there, and mine are like, yeah, that
looks like that foot almost doesn't match my my, my
whole vibe. It's sort of like whose foot is that?

Speaker 1 (36:33):
I see what you're saying. Well, you know, I famously
have an insecurity about having small feet for my body.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
Really, so yes, I have one more thing about just
like focusing on on a little thing because it is fun, right,
It is fun, and you do feel smart, and it
can be very funny to be like this thing that
you like, this one thing is stupid and everyone's.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Like, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
I still thought, like whatever is a pretty good movie.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
I know it's Actually, I've been thinking about this because
this is going to be Data Bay. It's time it
comes out. But have you been keeping up with the
assessment of the Tiny Desk concert of Edward Sharp and
the Magnetic Zero Oh my god, God talking about I did.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
I saw one tweet about it, and now it's all
like coming into focus, everyful mind, everywhere for me, Like
it's so funny for whatever you close your eyes, it's
all you see.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Yes, And I've it's everywhere for me as well.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
And actually I was talking to Matthew and I was like,
oh God, is this everyhere for you? And he was like,
I have no idea what you're talking about. And it
made me feel crazy, much like I'm feeling now that
you said you saw it once, because it's truly, for
like three days has been my entire feet.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
I mean, what are people saying I heard it? I
don't like get.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Yeah, it's just like I think.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
So there's this clip of Edward Tarp and the Magnetic
Zeros performing the song home, you know, the one that's
like I Love Maama Arkansas, I do love Mama and
Pa that one, and it just is like obviously like
emblematic of like that era of hipstery.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
You know what, I'm thinking of A second thing I
saw about it, Okay, but a second Oh it was
just about someone assessing whether like stomp clap hayyah is
an actual genre.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
So it's resulted in all this like very stupid theorizing
about that era. But it's fascinating when something like that.
In fact, I actually do think this is a one
ball situation where they're like taking one thing and trying
to expand on, like all alt rock in the twenty tens.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Yeah, and actually there was some good.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
Alt rock in the twenties where you're it's you're thinking
of three bands, right, Yeah, I think of Edward Char
Magnetic Zeros, You're thinking of Mumfort and thinking of the Luminears.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
And I think people are taking their anger out on
mumforted Suns and the Lumineers out on ed reichup of
the magnet Zeros.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Oh you think so, I do.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
I think I think there is a bit of a
one ball situation happening. I think is where I stand
on is where I stand on this.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
So you would say between those three, you would you
prefer Edward Sharp and Magnetic zeros.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
I would say, because I remember this all happening and
I was like, like that first one, I was like okay, sure,
like you know, I'm not like running to buy ticks,
but I'm like whatever, this is kind of a fun song.
And then it's like then it gets Mumford and Sons
of Fide, and I remember being like what I like
And that's when I was like, Okay, well now it's
becoming like like radio hit in a way that I'm like, well,

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it wasn't supposed to be, and if it was, it
was supposed to be on accident.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
So you're saying, there's the rise of Edward Sharp was
more authentic and organic.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah, that is kind of what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Whereas Mumford is like married to Carry Mulligan.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yeah, it was. It was very on purpose and like
what is trending and what can we make a profit on.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
I don't think they did themselves any favors with like
the dust bawl cosplay.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
That they were all doing.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
I mean that's you can play a banjo and wear
regular get totally.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Yeah. Well they're also I do think the main guy
is his name actually Edward Sharper. Is that like a
band name doesn't matter, No.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
One beats me.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
But the name.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
His real name is bright Eyes.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
That's interesting. His real name is two Yards, I believe.
And I think that like he had he like literally
had a cult leader type thing going. Like I think
literally there were like followers.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
And something that I find disturbing about that video is
not really the music. It's the way that like there's
sort of evil in his eyes and then the girl
who then later they broke up honestly looks like someone
in the documentary about a cult that is like looking
lovingly at the leader. Sure, and you know, maybe I'm projecting,

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but that, to me is what's more sort of disturbing
about that video rather than the rather than the what's
going on?

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Alex Eber is his name?

Speaker 1 (40:42):
Oh thank you to our fact checkers. Where were you
when we posted that video about the Chicago show?

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Wait, I have a one ball situation?

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Okay, go, I hope you know that you have now
coined a framework that we're gonna be using for years.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
To Honestly, this is so flattering to me. All I
ever want is to going new phrase it.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
No literally one ball criticism is like is a big idea.
Like I'm like, I'm going to for a while. What
is your one ball example?

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Wait, I actually have the wrong name. Oh my god,
oh my god. The you'll know, you'll know the name
of the moment I do it. Yeah. No, the politician,
the politicians, that's it. That's one moment. That's such a
one ball situation.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Is such a one ball situation.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
You're absolutely right.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
This is God if only we could incept this idea
into Malcolm Gladwell's mind.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yeah, I would three books deep on this. Wow, this is.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
I mean, who who is the politician that was like
in New York that was like good for the working class,
but then he had a sex scndal Elliot Spitzer. Yes, yeah,
I would say that was a literal one ball situation.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Simultaneous one ball situation on both situations. Yeah, yes, Now
I'm desperate to think of more.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
Also, half the time when I see like individual sentences
pulled out of a book, fifty percent of the time
at least, I.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Go, I don't know that seems nice.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
I agree, I don't. It's like, okay, sorry that they
used them similarly, Like that happens in literature.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Something like sometimes.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
Stuff feels like the feeling of it is more important
than it, like tracking super literally, especially when you're talking
like poetry or like lyrical fiction. Yeah, if you're writing
a nonfiction book, that's like how some explaining how tax
deriva you know, stock derivatives work, and you're using metaphors
that are confused, like, I don't know, there's no like that.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
It doesn't matter how beautiful it.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Is, Yeah, yeah, yeah, No for on Earth where briefly stalks.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Yeah, that's like I am thinking of Ocean Bar where
people like pulling out like look at his stupid sentence.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
I'm like, I don't, I think that's kind of nice.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
Well.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
O Shamok is a classic example where I truly have
fallen for the one ball theory of Ocean Loong because
I've never read his work, but I have it so
in my head as like the poster child of like
corny tender queer, you know, tweet little a little tumblry
tumblry poetry infused prose, and that's a and I who knows,

(43:10):
maybe if I actually went back and read On Earth
were briefly gorgeous, I would actually enjoy it in context.
Even the reviews of the New book and the Andreelling
QE for a New York magazine specifically, like was like,
I like the new book. Now here's seven thousand words
the first one, and I was like, damn, she had
that in the chamber she did, you know? And yet
Andrew long Cho when she came on this podcast, was

(43:30):
waxing poetic about the MCU. So I would love to
have her back on and question her about which art
property she supports and which one she does.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
We got to get her take on one book.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Oh my god, I actually would love Andrea. Okay, this
is we're gonna profit off of this. Basically, it's gonna
be the worst. I need Andrea on one ball criticism now. Okay, wow, Soosh,
you brought a few topics for us today dead Actually,

(44:04):
I would love it if you could read the list
since since you have it on here, and then we
will talk about the one we chose.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Okay, I had so one of them you did before
the last one Game Night, which you've done before. I
came in prepared to talk about Christmas cards where someone
is holding a gun, editorial cartoons where dead celebrities meet
in heaven to pays standing desks, doing your own research
and separating the art from the artists, which is potentially
too juicy.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Well I think, okay, So I actually think doing your
own research and separating there from the artist are at
the perfect center of like gay and straight, because it
just depends doing your own research. On the one hand,
like if you're quean on, it's straight, but if you're
like doing stand theories about.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Totally, you know what, I hadn't lumped that in because
it is the same, you know what. The reason I
didn't lump it in is because they're actually doing their
own research exactly. This the straight version of you and
you're in research is being like I did no research
and I just waited for Joe Rogan to pretend you
did totally.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
I just feel like conspiratorial thinking is one of those
things that like can get anyone totally. She liked to
think we're immune to it for sure.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
But Dan's oh, go go ahead, no you go.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
I'm go because the like Taylor Swift conspiracy is like
no one knows her, like no one's followed her, like
I have I have this special knowledge. And then the
Q no on one is like we all could open
her eyes.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
To this right totally it's like one of them is
BPD and one of them is schizophrenia. But I actually
don't know which is which.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
But I also think separating the arm from the artist
is can go either way in a huge way because obviously,
like you know, straight people are loving Louie still and
like like go off.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Actually, like we might.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Have to take this out, but I have a bomb
to drop when you're opening for Louis.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
When we were preparing, I like to watch and listen
to stand up, especially when I'm like in a writing phase,
because it just like inspires me to think in stand
up terms. I was actually I was listening to a
great to a Maria Bamford album I had never listened
to before. It was so good, and I was like,
and I just thought to myself, I was like, I
wonder what Louise's material post cancelation has been like because

(46:19):
I haven't kept up with him and I listened to
two full albums.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Anyway, that's all I wanted to say. I will say this,
I was surprised at how not about his cancelation they were,
and how like on the same wavelength as his old

(46:44):
world Like It's it's almost like if I guess here's
what I'm trying to say. If someone were to just
listen to album after album and have never opened a
newspaper or know what happened, they'd be like, that's the
same artist, which is just a very strange. It was
a strange thing to see when we know so many

(47:04):
people that have had way less dramatic cancelations and then
literally made their entire vibe.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
Right, that is that is just so brutal to the
whole Yeah, to someone being like, look like, I know
who's paying my.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Bills right exactly because there was one tweet yep, it's
it's really wild, but anyway, go ahead, So separating there
from the artist. On the one hand, for straight people
it's Louis As for George for me and yeah, complicating
her theory, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Well, and then for gay people there's Nicki Minaj.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
I was gonna say Azelia Banks, but yeah Banks.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean talk operating the one song
that no one can stop listening to from the artist.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Yeah, I mean, I mean that is your perspective. I
I didn't want to say anything. When I do listen
with an entire album start to finish action multiple times
a year.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
But I cannot stop listening to her no matter what.
She barely releases music and I'm always ravenous.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Here's what's so fascinating about his Zilia Banks. Her written
output all over the place, like just like politics, ranged
from right wing to left wing to completely just spreading
misinformation to very insight occasionally very insightful comment just like everything.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
She is kind of the median voter.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Exactly exactly, she's like the undecided voter and then her
but her artistic output focused always well done. Like it's crazy,
it's like two different people. It's like she she simply
should not have been born in an era where social
media existed. She should have been like an eccentric that
had these crazy views in private.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
Right, right, she should have been Prince yes, exactly. I
don't know what Prince's user, but I mean like he
was somebody that was like doing the work and doing
the work, and do the work.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
It's a bummer.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
And Nicki Minaj, I mean, listen, when it hits, it hits.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
Talk about tuball criticism that ye.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Oh my god, she was doing two ball criticism.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
She was She's like, you can't take the vaccine because
both of my cousins balls, her cousin's friend or something.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Was it her cousin.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
I think it was her cousin, her cousin's balls and
gorged because it was cousin because of the vaccine.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
So this is separated for the artists and doing your
own research exactly.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Yes, she was doing her own research. Yes, she was
doing her own research. And that's when they separated the
art from the art of research, the artist from the
art of her research.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
No research, you guys are fact checker saying that it's
actually cousin's friend, cousin's friend, cousin's friend, so.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Barely doing her own research then more so just answering
a phone call from her cousin. It was like I
heard something I did my own group chat about that.
Come to some interesting cogions. Fascinating. Okay, So then what
we landed on this two page pays. So if you
feel so comfortable, please tell us why you think she pays.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
A straight two pays. There are lots of ways to
be to lose your hair. You can just let it go.
You can comb it over, which is also pretty straight.
That's kind of like nature tepayuh, and you can wear
I want to separate specifically two pays from wigs, which
can be obviously very queer. Yes, but a two pay

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always looks bad every single time. It is like the
straight and this is an ethos that I, as a
straight man, have the straight male ethos of fucking good
enough and also like doing a thing. It is also
the thing of doing a thing to impress women that
women do not like or care about, which is an
extreme strake. I think just like I'm gonna have huge

(50:41):
shoulder muscles and like today want that, Like who told
you that? And it's like another guy with big shoulder.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Muscles I think. I think of baldness insecurity in the
same vein as height insecurity. It's like, yes, it's uh,
it's did you see materialists with pedro pescal Like yes,
like lengthening surgery.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
It's like.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
It is like it's sort of I'm trying not to
say in cell culture because that's not what I mean,
but it's like it's this sort of like gamifying attractiveness.
It's like look smack sing Yes, it is looks snack saying,
and it's like you can just like a short, bald
guy with like outrageous charisma is going to have a

(51:26):
lot more like social fluidity and like just like grace
in social situations and romantic success than like a guy
with long legs totally and a full head of hair
that just like has nothing going on. Yeah, And that's
why we have to separate the art from the artist
with Woody Allen, because he's actually very short and very
bold and you know, did really well for himself.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
He really did. I mean, I'll do a more totally. Yeah.
I think it's also complicated because like gay men also
obviously don't like they like value their hair a lot
of the times, yea, And but they choose a different route,
like I think they do more of the like hair
loss pills or going to Turkey for like plugs. Like

(52:10):
there is a an I like the medical approach versus
the sort of like quick fix of a two pay approach.
I find to be like an interesting difference.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
I know it is what you're saying, it's the good
enough ethos.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
It's extremely important because you think about like the going
to Turkey getting a surgery to keep your hairline thick
and full and tight, and you go, yeah, that's like
a commitment to an aesthetic, which is not.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
A straight guy thing.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
I'm like, ah, but just putting on a two pay,
like going into a place putting on the two pay,
looking in the mirror and going like that looks bad,
but probably no one will say anything.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Abouts No exactly.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
It's like extreme straight culture, you know what else it is.
It's like caring too much is actually kind of gay,
like like about your appearance. So it's already, of course
humiliating to like go looking for a to pay. I
don't think any any straight guy is proud of going
to pay shopping. I think they're like ashamed of it
and like one so they're like, oh god, I don't

(53:09):
want to spend too much time on this, like just
put it there and like whatever. I just like don't
have to think about it too much.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
And it's it's also like I'm I'm a pretty bald guy.
I shave my head pretty tight and that is fine,
and I also know many gay men that do that,
and that's like a totally that's another totally fine way.
Or like you could, like in the nineties, you could
do the Costanza just kind of like act like it's
not happening, and even that was fine, but like to
pay is the worst option.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Yeah, you know, there was a time when George Costanza
went on some late night show, maybe Fallin, and was like, like,
sometimes he does wear a two pay I mean sorry,
I know george ism does not realertainment like a pixel
scenario but with characters into the Spider of but with

(54:00):
George Costanza. Josh, my fantasy is that we have a
sitcom with George Costanza, Cam from Modern Family and Dwight
Shrew all in one house.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
And kind of the ready player one for socially maladjusted man.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Oh, we're gonna have it. We're gonna have it one day.
We are, it's gonna be So.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
We're very pro Cam from Modern Family and actually think
that it's one of the best, and I'm not kidding,
one of the best on screen gay performances. I don't
know if you have a watch a Modern Family, Watch
Modern Family, it's the fat one is who we're talking about,
so not Jesse Tyler Fergus and the husband who's played
by a straight man who I have heard also is
like really popular with the ladies in his free time

(54:38):
when he's not being gay. But it's one of the
most incredible on screen performances of the twenty first Century.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Yeah, we're addicted. But Jason Alexander wore a tupe and
like was like, yeah, I know everyone knows it's fake,
but like, I think it's kind of fun to do sometimes.
And I was like, well, that's an interesting approach. I
like that approach.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Yeah, it's like that Griffin like doing a video about
her third face lift, which she just said I was
just watching.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
Yeah, she was like my third facelift, and I'm here
to talk about Edward Sarpatic.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
I hate that George and I have the same Internet.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
Well, listen, I like to support Kathy. The end of sentence,
I actually have nothing negative to say about her. Yes,
I think that, but I think that's great. But that
is such an exception of the rule because there it's
today is so shame based. Like to have the self
awareness to then make a joke about it is like

(55:35):
only Jason Alexander could.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
Do that, right, and it's it either has to be
so immaculately constructed at which point to me that crosses
the boundary and is a wig yeah, or it has
to be a bit this kind of just like slapping
it on and just crossing your fingers.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
That is bad news.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Yeah, I would be remiss not to mention the sort
of class element here, which is that rich celebrities are
getting like incredibly intricate sure plugs, plugs and hair surgery.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
And those they were doing it before it was good exactly.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Yeah. You would see.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
Guys on TV and you'd be like, you think that
looks better than just like keeping it tight.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Yeah, that's a banana.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
I mean, you know who was doing it before it
was cool, Elon Musk. Elon Musk has incredible hair now, yeah,
and there are there's fully footage of him, yes, fully bald,
like twenty years ago yep.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
And then looking like middle middle distance yes, yes, yes.
And I don't mean I don't mean to sound like
a pick me bald guy, of course, but I do
think it's like commit commit to a thing I don't have,
like a like a sloppy head of hair that you're like, oh,
like if it blows away to breeze, you're like ruined.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah I am. Josh. I'm curious what your
perception of the TV industry's approach to balding is currently,
because I think we've tried to talk about this before
where there aren't balding men on TV like there used
to be. Yes, well, I think there's a little less

(57:09):
of it.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Like I think society has moved towards the extremes of
like more bald or more hair because it's more accessible
to like look to have better hair and more in
vogue to not just like hang on to it like
like you're with a death grip.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Yeah, but I do think you're right.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
There's not a lot of balding anymore. And it's certainly
like it is one of them, like the it's so embarrassed,
like Joe Biden used to be balder, right, Yeah, jo
Joe Biden and Donald Trump buff have like preposterous hair
situations and everyone's like, well, that's better than just like

(57:46):
a balding guy, right.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
Yeah, Yeah. What is it about?

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Is it? I have a theory that it's like you're
caught in process. Yeah, in the process, because well, I
do want to hear your theory.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Sam, Okay. My theory is that it's their hair and
makeup people trying to not get fired, and so they're like, Okay,
I have to make it look like he's not balding,
so that like I have shown my worth because I
feel like if you're the hair and makeup person and
you leave them balding even though it's natural. They'll be like,
that's not true, I'm not balding if it's just it
was a lighting that was on, like and so you're

(58:20):
like trying to save your job.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Okay, so you think that it is a it's a
purely holly it's a I like that you're going into
more like, uh.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
It's an economic issue.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
It cannot like materialist direction, Like you're like, this isn't
about image making. It's about people in precarious positions as
makeup artists and hair people that are like afraid of
losing their jobs. So they're like, well, we can't we
can't put him out they're bald.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
And I literally think and I think it's an issue
among the industry of hair and makeup people because then
they'll be like, well, the hey left, Like do you
see that Cheryl left him bald out there on national
television and it's like, I'm not hiring her, Like I
think it's it's a huge issue.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
You know, speaking of Cheryl. Actually, I want to say
one of the few balding people left is Larry David.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Here's something interesting. People say, like Oh, it's impact like
where we you know, everyone everyone I know who's bald
like shaves their head and it's almost like framed. Is
this like not to call you out? It's framed? Is
this like empowering thing? But no one dares to have
the to have the Larry David hair.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
I will tell you when we recorded last probably I
had I was I bet this was in the time
where I had gone like ten weeks without a haircut,
early pandemic, and I looked like I was trying to
invent time travel, which it is, like I didn't. I
don't fill in graceful me. It isn't bad, Like it
just looks slovenly. Maybe there's a point that I could

(59:44):
get it to where it would like fall better or
like chicken up, but it I look chaotic.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
But I just think beauty standards are such that there
isn't a way that is socially accepted, yes, to have
like to be bald on top and not.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Yeah, like they're just you see those guys all the time?

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
Yeah, like every like Dad in a teen movie was
that like the Larry Miller. Look you know who the
guy who is he played the doctor? Like the ob
g I n and Babes has was like a famous
guy like that the I'm trying to think he was
like the Brother and the Drew Carrey Show or something. Wow,

(01:00:28):
but he's there's you see it every once in a while.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
But he used to be like howevery you know who
actually is like that?

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
In the Comeback the husband Lisa Kudro's husband in the company,
Oh sure, he's like he has a look you don't
see anymore because it's not allowed.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
If they see it, they will shoot you right in
the shiny forehead.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
Or it's like the only way it's allowed, as if
you're playing like a pet of yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
Yeah yeah, like a real either a creep or like
a total dupists like oh I forgot to get the milk.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Yeah, it's like exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
That's which is when I was auditioning for commercials. That
was like always the commercial I would bring me in
for like guy who doesn't know whether he has car insurance, Like, babe,
do we have car insurance?

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Okay? Honestly, that was a great performance.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Yeah you booked, you do we Okay, And now we
have to talk about the the I think we want
to talk about the sort of gen z TikTok, yes
version of the two pey that is, I've been I've
seen these videos where it's like a young guy who's
like hot and it's like where it like looks like
it's a full head pair and he's like it's actually

(01:01:42):
too pey and then you like they show you as
he puts it on.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
So here's what I will say about this. In these videos,
what you see is like you see the whole process
and he's putting some sort of like skin Elmer's blue,
and then like it it's like wrapping around exactly perfectly,
and you see him showering. It's like, wow, it stays
on for like multiple days out of time, blah blah.
I quite simply think all of that is fake. Ideally,

(01:02:07):
I just like don't think. I literally don't think anyone
is actually doing that. Like it's like it's one of
those classic like fake trends. People see it on TikTok.
Like a culture writer who's on deadline and he's written
like fifteen blogs that are all about how like gen
Z is not having sex anymore? Yeah, is like, please

(01:02:27):
give me something else to write about, And then you
know they've been working from home, haven't left the house
in fifteen days, like you know. They they their union
has been busted fifteen times last week, and they're like, fine,
I'll fucking write about two.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
Pay sure, like wow one of his other TikTok videos
to see if he ever looks like that exactly, no, no, no, no,
this has to be done in nine seconds.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Right, And then the headline is literally like gen Z
gen Z says, two pays are back.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Wow. Yeah, it's awful. No, that's a really good point.
I wish it were real. It looks so it's such
a satisfying thing to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
It's a satisfying thing to watch, but doesn't it look
like a nightmare to actually maintain?

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
And I that it's uncomfortable, of course, especially if you
don't shave it down close enough and you're sticking it
too paid to like you're stumble.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
That's awful.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
It's I think, as praccess, I kind of look like shit.
And I think that's important because I think we need
more equality right across gender lines. And I think if
the two there's two options, it's that women and non
binary people can also start looking like shit, or it's

(01:03:36):
that men have to look good all the time and
I'm not willing to see that ground.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Okay, but here's my rebuttal to you. Aren't you just
perpetuating inequality by.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Like flexing your power.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
I'm not agreeing, but you don't know, but I'm going
along with your with your line. But it's like, ok,
I'm like, wait a minute, that that's why you're doing this.
I just it's like, because you're saying women should still
put an effort.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
No no, no, no no no, I'm saying if we I'm
saying it's got to go one way or the other.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
That's it's a binary choice.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
I see. It's that either men start dress start looking better,
or or women start.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Letting women start letting women.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Of course, it's okay, so as a culture, as a culture,
not just like me being like sorryos you allowing women
to look worse?

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Maybe it's kind of my decision. We need beauty centers
to be equal across you know what the equalized.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Totally yeah, you know, it's so said ground my I
think I would support forcing men to look better better, Okay,
but I don't, but not as a social justice. You
just think they should look you know, just like aesthetically,
I'm like how amazing to go outside and everyone looks fat.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
That's true, that's true, and I'll you know what I mean, Yes,
I agree. I think that is also a good outcome.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Like it's like the reason why I mean, it's not
the main reason, but it's one of the reasons why,
like airport suck because everyone looks bad.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
I was going to ask, are you like a dress
up to fly person?

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
You know, I'm I'm definitely not. But as I get older,
I'm like, okay, maybe I won't look like complete shit. Yeah,
Like I'm not gonna wear gray sweatpants.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
Like I have a couple of pairs of like joggers
that are made of pants regular pants material, not so
my pants material. And that to me is like a
perfect airport outfit because it is comfortable, but it doesn't
look like I'm like checking the mail at the end
of a driveway.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
Right exactly. There's something about looking some basic level of
nice that actually also from within forced you to also
act a little nicer to everyone, because you're like, Okay,
this is a public space. It's not a private space.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
You're not You're not walking around like skulking, like yeah,
nobody I knowices me here.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
Yeah, so I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
I also always do, like usually want to shower when
I get off the plane or whatever. But I do
want the option to be like we're just going straight
to dinner. I want the option.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
And I don't like, like if I want to go
for a walk upon arrival, I don't want people to
be like, did he just get on a plane? No,
that is a good point.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
I do that plane air there's something in it because
I every time I get off a plane, I'm like, oh,
why is my body respinding, like I just ran a marathon.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
I know it's because the carbon dioxide that everyone in
that plane has been exhaling is now on your Yeah, yeah, no,
there's actually a layer of the of of everyone else's breath.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
God, a tree would be loving.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
If only I was a tree. Oh my god. I'm
trying to think any final thoughts on two pays.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
I think I want to reiterate if it takes effort
and looks good, that's not what that's a way and
that's beautiful, or if it's very silly, like a costume.
But I do think this kind of haphazard, like I'll
never make partner with this hair exactly. Yeah, I gotta
slap something up there, and it's like it always feels

(01:07:08):
the way it always looks, and you can see the
seam showing. Is like when you put on a shirt
that you know is a little too wrinkled and you go,
that's probably fine, yes, and then someone one friend clock's like,
hey man, you did you sleep hunched over a.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Chair last night?

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
And ah, they fucking got me because they have eyes
and they knew it. Yeah, And that's what every dew
pay looks like to me.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
Yeah, there's something tragic about them. Like it's like it
is the effort is so visible that you almost want
to give the person a hug. You almost want to
be like, you don't have to do this, right, Yeah,
it's like, uh, I'm thinking of others. It's like it's
honestly like when you see someone who whose eyebrows are

(01:07:50):
so insanely painted on, we're like, well we can all
see that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Right, right.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
Do you do you think that that looks good?

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
And that's like what you like to look like. Or
do you think that we won't notice that it looks bad?

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
Yeah? Yeah, Well it creates this like really complex thing
where you can't say this looks bad, because that will
break them. Obviously, they will shatter. And you also like
so if you notice, you can only say like, it
looks good. So then they're not getting any realistic feedback.
It's like when someone's taking too big of a swing

(01:08:25):
in general and no one can say anything, and so
something like people don't learn the lesson. They almost have
to like they're on like essentially an episode of the
Traders and have to like suss out if people are
lying or telling the truth. So this is.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
Honestly a larger issue, and I don't know what the
answer is, which is like how do we know if
we're doing something wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Like how do we know?

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
It takes such a specific like it has to be
truly like your mother, who cares so much about you,
telling you like, hey, that is not right, Like your
closest friends will let you look insane, or like I
have had nights where I have food in my teeth
and I realize it when I get home, and I'm like,
I was with three friends.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
None of them told me yep, And you would have
been receptive to that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
You wouldn't have been like, I have to leave.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
But it's like we surely all of us. Know people
that do continue you know that have like one outfit
that everyone's like, oh god, he's wearing that again, or
like have or like wear insane, I don't know, always
wear dirty, like socks that look dirty or something something,
and everyone like clocks it and talks about it behind

(01:09:33):
their back and no one will ever tell.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
Them Yeah, yeah, yeah, what's this?

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
I know? I'd literally the only solution is to have
like the voting public. So like honestly, like snap a
photo of yourself before you leave and do a quick
like it goes out to you know, people that work
at content farms and are doing content moderation for Instagram,
and it's like.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
The people who are like beading video backs, it's actually gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Be so refreshing for them for someone to be like
does my chpealok?

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Good?

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
And they're gonna be like sorry, but like you just
got a message from Indonesia, it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
I also think what you're bringing up is an important
point of Like, when you're out for the night already,
what good does it do for someone to be like, well,
that's the worst shirt I've ever Yes, Like you've committed
to the shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
You're not gonna be like.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
Hold on, brot a spare. Yeah, So I do understand that.
So that I think the solution is, but you gotta
you've got to send out that image before you leave. Yeah,
it's a trusted friend, a critical lot.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
But I but I.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Do think it has to be like I'm literally like
it has to be an audience like a yeah, like
an at home audit.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
The person who decides whether a movie is yeah, yeah,
the double a.

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Well, it's tough because they do need to be like
credible in some way, Like we have to know that
their taste is similar to our taste. Okay, some people
don't know what you're going for.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
Okay, here's an idea. Think of people who have studied
the arts, have studied fashion, most of them are like underemployed.
There's no jobs in you know, magazines, media, whatever. This
could be an easy way for them to make some
money on the side. You know, these can be like
fifteen dollars an hour jobs and they just like clock

(01:11:08):
in and they're like looking through a carousel and outfits
that people are sending. So you get basically like a
bunch of people that all went to the Fashion Institute
of technology, and they're like in the beginning of their
careers and a small way they can make money is
by just like giving one sentence feedback on outfits.

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
This is an incredible idea for an app. Thank you,
I would I would subscribe to this app. Don't you
think it could work?

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
It's almost like it's like how I mean, now with AI,
you don't need this. But it's like how people used
to just like do copy like copy editing for like
small businesses whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
It's it's it should be called does this look okay?
And it's like one that's fashion right to fashion people,
and then one for like rashes that goes to retired doctors.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
They're still trying to it would come. I'm thinking it's
like it's like fashion therapy, because you need someone who's
like I specialize in like preppy but vintage, or like
I specialize in like sort of Bushwick crazy, and then
you'll be like, Okay, that looks sort of like my
that's like a good match for me. And then they'd
like see you and be like, Okay, here's what's wrong

(01:12:06):
with you? Or you know what they'd be they'd be like, so,
what made you want to wear that? Today.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
Yeah right, it's like a combination stylist and therapist. Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah style rapist.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Style rapist sounds pretty bad, but I.

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
Think the profession is honestly solid.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
No, I think that it makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Yeah yeah, what are you going for with that? Guys listening? Yeah,
so is this satire or Someone at our Chicago Live
show asked me if my shoes were a commentary, which
was kind.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
Of Oh, that was crazy, actually, and I want to
really shout them out for having the confidence to do that.
Someone said, we're now doing at our shows. We have
started doing q and as because we believe stand up
comedies only our firm that doesn't allow for Q and
as much like you know, like film does for instance.
And so someone asked Sam if his shoes were commentary
on straight culture, which is basically like saying, like, so,

(01:13:03):
are you like joking when you wear those?

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
That's one of the worst questions that ever heard.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
Now we've done a full show where we're wearing normal out.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
This is the end of the show. This is the
end of the show.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
I've been wearing that, but the whole time nothing else
is commentary.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Like it's I think I was dressed pretty normal.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
Your we were both dressed very normal.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
Yeah, because we didn't want our outfits to speak for
us exactly. We want to be able to focus on
the words you both called your style pists.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
Before the exactly, we were like, do we look like
sort of like mid tier gay comedians.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
She was like, yeah, nothing about this seems like commentary exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:13:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
I wouldn't even be that.

Speaker 4 (01:13:40):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
I could barely register it honestly as an outfit.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
It says nothing. It says nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Yeah, and this guy actually was turning a look I
will say, so it even more because it was someone
that like, you know, you would notice on the street.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
D you would like to have had his right co
sign front row.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
Well, that's the thing. I was like, Oh, so the
whole time you've been like looking at my shoes and
being like, so, what's good? What's the story? Instead of
like because that's the last thing I wanted was people
to be looking at my shoes and wondering what the
story is.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
No, you literally want it to be neutral looking. And
in fact, the entire time he was like, oh god,
you were.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
Hoping anybody who looked at your shoes and be like
got it? Yeah, exactly, exactly. Receive well, I think we
should do our final segment. I agree, Josh. Our final
segment it's called shout outs, and in this segment we

(01:14:37):
pay homage to the grand straight tradition of the radio
shout out. So imagine you're at TRL shouting out to
your squad back home about anything that you like. People
place us things ideas. George and I will go first,
and we always make them up on the spot. Okay, George,
do you have one?

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Okay, kick us off.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
What's up? New York theater goers to give a shout
out to Morgan Basicus's solo show Can I Be Frank?
Now playing at Soho Playhouse. Have you seen this?

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
Josh?

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
No, It is Sam Pigleton, who directed Josh Sharp's show
and Omary I. I've known Morgan like tangentially socially for years.
I don't know them super well, and I didn't know
what to expect. I sort of didn't know how how
like genuinely laugh out loud funny they were, and I

(01:15:28):
went in expecting a sort of like solo show type
thing where it's like, Okay, there's a couple of jokes
in the beginning, but then we're gonna get serious. And
I was like so happy with how much I laughed.
There was such a it was so unexpected. It like
managed to actually like avoid any of the tropes and
cliches you would expect from a show like that. Nan

(01:15:48):
Golden was in the audience. I was having the time
my damn life. And you know, just when you think
you're gonna just when you think we've had enough solo shows,
people keep doing them and sometime they're good. I mean,
I will be the It pains me to admit it
because you know, you want to retire that as a forum.
But then sometimes people are actually good at it and
you say, all right, well, I guess we can keep

(01:16:09):
doing this for another few years. So shout out to
pretty much all gay people that do solo shows.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
You're just your person is recommended. Yees me.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
It's like, honestly, that's a classic thing that like someone
would be like, oh you would You're a hater, like
you probably wouldn't want to see an earnest And thank
god I did because it was literally so it was
so good amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
Anyway, Yeah, well that sounds to die for. Okay, now
I will go what's up? Freak losers and perverts around
the globe. I would like to give a huge shout
out to the film The Naked Gun, the New One.
I went to see it last night and I said,
I'm laughing, I'm having fun. You know. I sort of
had the opposite feeling of George where I went in

(01:16:50):
being like, this is probably going to be chalk full
of jokes and funny. And guess what, my expectations were
completely correct. It was chalk full of jokes and funny.
I will say I do find the conversation around like,
you know, we need to support this film as comedy
needs to come back to theaters to be a little confusing,
as like using almost social justice sentiment to support a

(01:17:12):
like stupid movie but existing existing three stars. Yeah, but
I will say the movie is funny and I did laugh.
Liam Neeson is to die for and family Anderson is
to die for. I think you I highly recommend and
have some fun and at an hour twenty five minutes, folks,
you got the time. Xoxo, Sam.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
Wow, I'm saying it Thursday, can't wait? Have you seen it?

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
I might also be going to the scene.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
Julie, Yeah great, Yeah, what's the dogs?

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
It's a big dog.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
Jus gone, I'm here to you. I'm here to give
a shout out. Did not commit just bailed on that
guy immediately to be very scary.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
See people. Yeah, I'm known as a nice guy like that.
Some guys could just get away with being the big dog.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
True.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
I'm want to give a shout out to one season
and canceled Netflix mystery comedy The Residents starring zo at Uba,
and it was really good and very funny. I thought,
I know, every comedy has to be ten episodes and
someone gets murdered in it, and this is one of
my favorites of that genre. She she is very quirky
and funny. I would have liked to see many more

(01:18:27):
seasons of her solving mysteries. It is like a blast.
I don't I know like four people that have watched it,
which is probably why there is not a season two.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
Whoo. I will say, so many people told me to
watch it, and and also people did use the social
justice language of like please watch this like we have
and of course I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
Yeah, it's like I'm sure I would like I don't know,
especially with Netflix.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
It's like I know, you know what I did watch
all of Hunting Wives?

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
How is that? You know?

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
It is maybe the trashiest show I've ever watched, but
it's like it's like it's good. You know, It's like
I can't watched all of it. I watched all of it,
and you know what, I'm part of a large community
of people because it's number one on Netflix and many
people I know are watching it. It's just like if
you just succumb to it, you just get over the
hump of like this is trashy and you're in heaven.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
You're a you're a hunting wife guy.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
Yeah, I'm a hunting wife guy. I really was. I
all the entire time Sam and I were in Chicago
was like, I can't believe I can't watch The Hunting
Wife because I can't because I have to watch it
with Matthew and I finished it last night and honestly,
they absolutely slayed it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
There.

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
There's so many shows that are like like that, Like
it feels like every show is like that. And my
wife Maris book I want to burn this place down?

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Is that now? Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
Yes, she's wonderful and brilliant and she watches all these
shows like she'll I'll come home and she'll be like,
I'll go, what are you watching?

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
And she'll be like, Sirens, and I have to which one?

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
Oh, I watched that too, Sirens, nine.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
Perfect Strangers, the Perfect Couple.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
Yeah, I watch that too.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
God, it's you know, it's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
I think myself as someone who doesn't watch things like that,
and now that you're listening, and I'm like, I actually
have seen all.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
Of them, and I kind of think like white Lotuses,
like the Apex of One. But there's so much of
that tone now I know, and it's bad.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
George, I had no idea you were watching all these shows. Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
Yeah, I really have no justification for yours.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
The Buccaneers.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
No, I have not watched the Buccaneers.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
Chris, George, you live like a double life.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
Well your version of this is like playing video games.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
Shut up, it's like you.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
I I don't think of that part of your life
when you're playing video games. I'm watching Sirens.

Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
Interesting, I like Sam's like, I just can't I black
out whenever George talks about watching The guilded Age.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
Yeah, interesting, you mentioned that one that one I don't watch,
and actually Matthew has to watch it without you. I
think I struggle with Here's what I think, Here's what
I I If I'm going to watch a costume drama,
it like has to be good, Okay, and I know
that Gilded Age is good. Don't write in but I mean,
it has to be like the Age of Innocence. Like
I just can't I can't commit to just like hours

(01:21:05):
and hours of something if it's not like Scorsese left totally.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
I also, I don't know if I haven't seen enough
Gilded Age to know that if this is true of
the show.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
But anytime something is in.

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
The past and everyone's British in America, like, hey, why
the fuck are they talking like that?

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
It really it takes me. It takes me out of it,
even though again love all those all those ladies. Branski, Yeah,
Carrie Coons, Nick, that's what I.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
Was gonna say. An accent next, I in my heart
still the Governor never.

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
Was, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
Thank you, well, Josh, let's say, actually what your special
is all.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
That's a great point. That's a great point.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
It's called positive reinforcement. It's out on YouTube now, you
can watch it whenever wherever it is. It's a lot
like this, Like it's a lot like what we just did, like.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
Gail King loves it, you love it and you're gonna
love it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
Get the rare two co signs Gail King and Stradio correct.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
Wow, I know, I'm like, what else has gotten those two?
We're just you and O Mary pretty much? What do you?

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
Where do you stand on Oprah?

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
Okay, you know it's tough. Actually, uh, I know we
have to wrap up. But if I can say one
final thing. Someone recently asked me, you know how Leon
Effect does did that Jerry Springer podcast that's like a
podcast that's all about like reassessing Jerry Springer as a
cultural figure. I really think someone should do that with
Oprah and and you know, in both like and take

(01:22:39):
her entirely like, both positive and negative, because she has
affected the culture in so many positive and insanely negative ways. Yeah,
and I would love to see someone really wrap it
with that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
Yeah, that would be fascinating. Whoever, I don't think she
would push them like a bug.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
I know the lawyers would be uh yeah, yeah, it
has to happen after she died.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
It's unfortunately I don't need but even I'm not ready
for a critique of Oprah like, it's like there's.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
Something she introduced us to doctor Oz and doctor Phil.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
Yeah, but she couldn't control them. Once you're in the world,
she can't control them.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
She also introduced like white women to the secret.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
So the secrets illegal.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
She literally, she literally, she literally is telling everyone to
gain and lose weight every year. It's like, this year
you have to gain weight, this year you have to
lose weight.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
Well, she's just reflecting what we want to hear.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
No, that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
She created opens all.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
Come for me. But also listen, she gave us Barack Obama.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
And Tom Crazy marriage Holmes.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
She gave us a million little pieces and then took
it away. She had that big fight with Jonathan Friends.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
Then Marathon talking about that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
So it's amazing, it's so fun.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
It's also Yeah, imagine being an author in a fight
with the most famous reader in America.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
Who chose your who wanted to choose your book? Yeah,
and by the way, imagine coming out essentially unscathed and
like being respected, Like I understand that he's a punchline,
but like people still love his work.

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
Yeah, and even many people who are like make fun
of his kind of like cantankerous old timeiness and like
bird Watching, like the Sentences I Know, and the Right
The Corrections came out same day as Ben Folds Rocking
the Suburbs album Wow, same day as jay Z's Blueprint album.
We're of course talking about September eleventh, two thousand and one.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
Is that true? I believe it is.

Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
And Mariah Carey's glitter, Maracare's glitter of course.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
Wow, Well, folks, it's not. We managed to get to
September eleventh, two thousand and one. Josh, thank you so
much for doing the podcast. Thank you so much for
having me. It's such a pleasure to be here with you.
This was such a I hope next time I'm in
the same room as you.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
Yes, next time. Next time we're going to be in
the same room as Josh, and Oprah will be there
to mediate to mediate.

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
That's right, because we've got some We've got bond.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
That's my Opra impression.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
It's really good.

Speaker 5 (01:25:15):
Thank you, It's exactly what it sounds like what she
says my name Yeah, okay, bye bye bye podcast and
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Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
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